American Politics

[QUOTE=DCups;2524162]Good points all-around, MDE. Thanks. It's useless to banter with the brainwashed dumbocrats. Watch how prices on everything skyrocket now on everything you fucking liberal. And crime soars. Trump did more good in office in four years than all the democrats did in history combined. Bring it you shit-for-brain liberal ding dongs.[/QUOTE]"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" The market has actually been doing quite well the last two and one half months since it has been known that Biden would be president. Markets like stability, and are glad to see the Covid denialism, childish tantrums, and constant lies of a traitorous wannabe autocrat go. Bring a legitimate conservative candidate next time and we'll listen.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2523733]Anyone old enough (and not yet senescent, paulie) recollects how in the late 60's, it was the Left that entrenched power had to suppress in order to maintain their hegemony. Fast forward to now, and it's the Right that is being targeted. It has everything to do with the suppression of Free Speech..[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter how old you are or what you try to insult your way out of. Calls to hang the vice-president and violently stop an election certification at the US Capital weren't protected speech. And any calls to violence are risky, and no media entity should feel compelled to host it, by law or any other reason. Same also applies to stolen election allegations when no evidence was ever presented for it. So yea, Parler, E. Michael Jones, you need to find some new populist soapboxes to stand on, if you want to be taken seriously.

P.S. This was already stated by the way, but as usual you lacked the balls to quote the material you responded to, in order to clear the way to repeat the same fallacy.

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL]

Obama's administration successfully contained a virus that had the potential to be a global pandemic.

Primarily most of what the Trump Administration did was lie hundreds of times claiming to have contained their pandemic.

[QUOTE=Travv;2524239]See attachment comparing Trump with Bush and Obama. . . As to cancer, don't think any politician can control medical issues, but they can control whether to attack other countries. Biden BTW was a big supporter in the Senate of Bush's attack on Iraq. In politics the choice is not usually between good and bad, but bad and worse. Trump was bad, but Hillary was worse. [/QUOTE]Hillary probably would have successfully contained the pandemic. The playbook on fighting pandemics was above Trump's reading level, so he just ignored it.

Trump damaged the economy. His mismanagement of the pandemic has caused a loss of 3 million American jobs during the carnage administration.

Joe and Kamala will get back the jobs Trump lost. 400,000 new jobs in clean air technologies alone.

Let's take on one issue at a time. Of course some influence others. Start with the invasion of the north and South American continents in 1492, culminating in the genocide of native peoples and theft of their lands. "Manifest Destiny" "Trail of Tears" any of heard those terms. (James) "Monroe Doctrine" "Remember the Maine" & "Alamo" too, USA's training South American soldiers (Fort Benning, named for Confederate General / slave holder) in "counter insurgency" tactics as part of its dirty little wars? Coup in Chile? Henry "Make the economy scream" Kissinger. Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas when Mina, AR was the staging point for weapons sent to the Contras, former members and supporters of the Somoza regime, using terror trying the retake Nicaragua from Daniel Ortega, the liberator now an oppressor of his own opposition. So many countries, so many insurgencies. The immigrant gang members sent to Honduras are back now. After two hurricanes and no help, it's no wonder a caravan is heading to "El Norte" Carlson says they will make USA dirtier and dangerous. They may work hard, send their children to schools and resist the next wave as Nimby's.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524242]Considering the riots and cop murders encouraged by liberal politicians and committed by their supporters I think you should take it easy with the unfounded accusations against your political opponents.[/QUOTE]Although some have drawn misguided parallels between the two, there is an important distinction here: Violence that is intended to spread democracy, end injustice and encourage fairness in the application of the rule of law has nothing in common with the wanton, anti-democratic riots of Jan. 6, fueled by QAnon and other conspiracy theories that tell the story of an election stolen by a Satan-worshipping cabal.

We can't let peaceful protesters be likened to criminals.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2524151]Funny how the US authorities can muster up tens of thousands of troops, police officers and secret service agents to lock down DC to protect Joe Biden at the inauguration, yet when the Burn Loot Murder and anti-fa mobs went on a 6 month riot spree last summer in cities all over the US the authorities looked the other way.[/QUOTE]Yea, "funny," Portland activity was all on Trump's watch. Why didn't he do what you think he should have done? And Antifa doesn't equate with the Democratic Party. It's not a single organization, but typically involves relatively small groups of people that follow Anarchism, an ideology very different from that of your typical Democrat. Look it up. Plus, if you have any ancestors that fought in World War II, well then they were "antifa," just an aside.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2524151]These Democrat sponsored mobs murdered more than 25 people, injured many hundreds (many were left with life-changing injuries), caused over USD2 billion in damages and thousands of businesses were destroyed. When will the Democrats be held to account for their treachery?[/QUOTE]"Democrats" did no such thing. See above. As to being "held to account" there's been nearly 14,000 arrests in Portland alone. As to DC, well, uh, a band of Trumpite, "Stop the Steal" goons violently ransacked the Capital and promised to return. We had this thing called a presidential inauguration planned where the incoming president and many elected officials planned to attend. So yea, security was important unless you prefer chaos and lose of our officials and government stability. Your comparison is ridiculous. Also, while I'm here, cite your source for the deaths and injuries in Portland. It may be so or partly so, but I can find nothing parallel to it in Google.

Anyway, Whataboutism will be the cry of the right for some time. I mean WOW, a Trumpist, murderous mob crashes a vote certification at the Capital with many intent on murdering the vice president. No surprise you want to talk about something else, but there of course is no comparison.

[URL]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism[/URL]

That said, one and all, I'm outtahere for one month, on vacation, and I don't do politics when focused solely on having fun. The rest of you sensible folks hold down the fort, unravel the lies and fake spins as you wish, but most of all relish in the fact that we won the election, and "by a lot. " Wink.

P.S. Regarding this post that I'm replying to and others, what we need more than anything is an informed citizenry. When we have so many people running around believing and spreading lies, and lacking the ability to make valid deductions and comparisons, we have real problems. We could start with improving public education in the US. So when a liar like Lin Wood, Hannity, Alex Jones, etc. Opens their mouth one is skeptical and investigates. For example, the other day Alex made a statement about CDC numbers that the sheeple will accept without question. But one quick look at the source and the claim was instantly refuted. That is one of a slew of examples.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2524240]So what is the proposal? The Democratic Socialism of Crazy Bernie and Cornell West? Yet you stick up for Parler and the Capital mob, link to the site of a known Anti-Semite E Michael Jones, and have array an of alt right conspiracy theories going. Your confusion is contagious. LOL.[/QUOTE]Your inability to comprehend is Congenital? Dude, you are stuck in some manichean place where it is either liberal / conservative or dem / repub. The US political duopoly has caught you in its matrix: right where they want you. For people who've supposedly experienced other countries and cultures, haven't you learned a thing overseas other than where to find bar girls and how much they charge to let you touch them?

(How would you know what and who E. M. Jones is since you never heard of before I referenced him for you.).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2524259]The market has actually been doing quite well the last two and one half months since it has been known that Biden would be president. Markets like stability, and are glad to see the Covid denialism, childish tantrums, and constant lies.[/QUOTE]Markets like the Fed printing 120 billion dollars, err, temporarily injectioning liquidity a month. LOL. That'll buy some price 'stability'. Looking forward to the Biden administration's response to the inflation later this year. At least Trump dodged that, and gives the Dems a parting gift as well.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2524143]Half of these 'voters' have been dead for more than 50 years.[/QUOTE]Free speech yes, but feasting on lies. Lies get us nowhere.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54874120[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2524007]Correct, private companies can get away with abuses that democratically elected governments couldn't dream of. And I agree with you, that will be the downfall. Until we institute democratic principles within the workplace, the US will always be a plantation nation and far from free. Keeping the balance of power between labor and capital through the democratization of the workplace is essential especially with automation. Workers having a say in what is produced, what technology is used to produce it, and how it is distributed is paramount if we are ever to truly call ourselves a free society, which in essence it never has been.[/QUOTE]Most of the world would give a limb to live in this "plantation economy," but bring on the Socialism, sky high taxes to pay for freebies while de-incentivizing hard work. And the more freeloaders you have the more everyone else is dragged down. That's some of the problem at the moment in the US with all the easy access unemployment benefits during Covid. And the more freeloaders you have the more everyone else is dragged down. Without greed, without the big "evil" companies that started small and with innovation, America wouldn't be the prosperous country that it is, while laying claims to so many of the world most significant inventions. Work hard and work smart, save more and indulge less, and your chances of success here are very high.

Most of the world would give a limb to live in this "plantation economy. " Socialism has typically been a disaster, though there has been successes in Scandinavia, due largely to the strong work ethic of the Nordic people. But many with great success run to evade the taxes. And with the more immigrants they are taking in, of whom many may not possess the same work ethic, what will the future hold?

And to changing employment landscapes, people need to adapt, learn new skills. But then we are back to personal responsibility, which is much harder than shaking one's finger at Facebook and Amazon. There BTW has been a lengthy discussion about this in the "Rants" thread under the FKK section in the Europe section.

P.S. This may sound harsh, but here goes. The fact that so many Americans today are believing ridiculous lies doesn't speak well to the intelligence of many of our citizens. Do you want them creating technology and deciding how the business is run? Or rather a couple of greedy college kids in a Harvard dorm room. You can give free college to the former, but you'll have to dumb down the work and they may drop out anyway. These though should have some kind of living and some entertainment, if they are able and willing to work, and there are plenty of opportunities in the USA.

Some have wanted to make excuses for the Capital rioters, but all we know of had a job or a business, or was leeching off a wife who did. So Socialism is a tough sell in the states, thus the Crazy Bernies and AOCs haven't seen success at the national level.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524243]Last time I checked more white people are killed by the police than blacks, but hey, don't let facts come in the way of you playing the race card.[/QUOTE]You attempt to use facts to mislead.

According to Mapping Police Violence, officers have killed 1,066 people in 2020 more than 28 percent of them Black, despite Black people making up only 12 percent of the USA Population.

So on a per-capita basis, blacks are more than twice as likely to be killed by cops.

Then have it excused by ShooBree due to his Stupid Swede prejudice.

[QUOTE]"Agent Orange", says "NO SOUP FOR YOU..." [/QUOTE]He reportedly DID NOT grant pardons to any Republican lawmakers involved in the "Stop the Steal" rally that preceded the deadly Capitol insurrection.

[QUOTE][b]"Republican lawmakers involved[/b] in the rally that preceded the Capitol insurrection reportedly [b]asked Trump for preemptive pardons".[/b]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/republican-lawmakers-involved-rally-preceded-072156635.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2524229]Soap...What? We don't need no stinking, soap! ...kkkk.

That goes [b]double for the Republican lawmakers[/b] that are complicit in the insurrection and were trying to weasel a last minute pardon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2523508]Of course the democratic primaries were not rigged to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination. It is impossible to rig an election.[/QUOTE]Sarcasm noted, and yea, of course it's all "rigged" in your tinfoil hat world. Crazy Bernie has twice had his chance to make his case to the voters but failed. Bring a failed philosophy and expect failure. Someone has to pay for all the free lunch he wants to hand out, and working tax payers aren't on with the idea.

Democratic Congresswoman Mikie Sherrill, revealed Tuesday that several [B]Republican members[/B] [I]gave “reconnaissance” tours to would-be rioters on the eve of the insurrection.[/I].

Several members of congress (both Dems. And Repl.), feared for their lives and thought they'd be turned over to the white supremacist riot / mob insurrectionists, by their fellow congress QAnon and Republicans members sympathizers.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/aoc-capitol-mob-republicans-death/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watch-aoc-thought-she-d-be-killed-feared-white-supremacist-members-of-congress-would-turn-her-over-to-trump-rioters/ar-BB1cIJHj[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2523665]Encyclopedia Britannica? What is this: your homework assignment to get your 7th grade equivalency?.[/QUOTE]And what does it say about you when a basic, though highly accurate source is all it takes to refute your moronic, oxymoronic "Liberal Fascism" notion? Not to mention that you have violated Godwin's Law and automatically lose, shame to shame. LOL.

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Godwin%27s%20Law[/URL]