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I have a "friend" in Angeles who dances in a GoGo. She was recently taken ill and given a Medical Certificate for 4 days. Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.

My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1913927]I have a "friend" in Angeles who dances in a GoGo. She was recently taken ill and given a Medical Certificate for 4 days. Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.

My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.[/QUOTE]It is worst than you think. P50 = US $1. 07. Also she may have to hit minimum drink sales or be penalized.

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1913927]Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.

My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.[/QUOTE]Empathy for these what? How much do the the people who work in those hot ass wet rice paddies all day make in PI?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1913940]Empathy for these what? How much do the the people who work in those hot ass wet rice paddies all day make in PI?[/QUOTE]How much do they make? Probably not enough and the girls go work in the bars.

How much is the price of tea in China?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1913938]It is worst than you think. P50 = US $1. 07. Also she may have to hit minimum drink sales or be penalized.[/QUOTE]The exploitation of those at bottom by those at the top is hardly unique to bars or rice paddies; it's pervasive throuhout the country as exemplified by the whole concept of contract labor that Duterte is trying to abolish. It's prévalant in all industrial / service contexts here in which there's a surplus of untrained labor and this will persist until the macro economy here starts producing decent jobs. The potential labor force here grows at about 1,000,000 annually, and this is after retirees have been factored out. The economy doesn't produce even close to that quantity of good jobs.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1914002]The exploitation of those at bottom by those at the top is hardly unique to bars or rice paddies; it's pervasive throuhout the country as exemplified by the whole concept of contract labor that Duterte is trying to abolish. It's prvalant in all industrial / service contexts here in which there's a surplus of untrained labor and this will persist until the macro economy here starts producing decent jobs. The potential labor force here grows at about 1,000,000 annually, and this is after retirees have been factored out. The economy doesn't produce even close to that quantity of good jobs. GE.[/QUOTE]Probably inappropriate for this thread, but. . .

I'd argue that contract labor and an untrained labor pool are symptoms of larger forces. In theory, when workers figure out their true value, they can organize to push for fair pay. Laugh here. In reality, Western and East Asian capital drives the system. If workers push for better wages, the cost of production--whether for Nike shoes, pineapples, or rice--goes up, and international owners close shop and move to another country where excess untrained laborers will work for lower wages. Nike executives rarely observe these frontline dynamics, but they can certainly calculate the bottom line. Philippine education systems and the country's profligate elites are easy targets for criticism, and they make us feel, by comparison, superior. Having personally spent plenty of ink here criticizing Filipinos and their "backward" systems, I think we visitors may want to consider the various ways we reinforce this world system of inequalities.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1913940]Empathy for these what? How much do the the people who work in those hot ass wet rice paddies all day make in PI?[/QUOTE]My apologies, I left out "these young ladies". The environment is unhealthy, the job is unhealthy, the risks to long term health and longevity are enormous. If working 9 hours for $1. 07 is required, the rice fields are a better option. As far as I am aware, HIV cannot be contracted from touching a Buffalo. BB.

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1914339]My apologies, I left out "these young ladies". The environment is unhealthy, the job is unhealthy, the risks to long term health and longevity are enormous. If working 9 hours for $1. 07 is required, the rice fields are a better option. As far as I am aware, HIV cannot be contracted from touching a Buffalo. BB.[/QUOTE]It is all a matter of perspective. Some may see these chicks as getting to relax in air conditioner all night and sleep in the plushest hotels until noon, while being treated quite often to free drinks and free meals by hansum exotic men.

There are pros and cons to every job. And as you said, the girls do have an option. But which option is better is the onus of the decision maker. Evidently, at least for now, they see all the things that you find repulsive about their job better than being out there picking rice.

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1914339]If working 9 hours for $1. 07 is required, the rice fields are a better option. As far as I am aware, HIV cannot be contracted from touching a Buffalo. BB.[/QUOTE]Opposing viewpoint (not mine). About 5 years ago I was in LAC and started chatting up a cutie. She was considerably more shy than most LAC girls. In the bar she confessed that it was only her second night in the bar, that she just arrived that week from the northern province, and was staying with a cousin. Once in the room after she showered and came out of the CR wearing a towel, I noticed her feet, going up the leg several inches above her ankles, were a different color than the rest of her leg. A more creamy whiter color. After the ditty, since she was LT for the evening, in chatting her I asked why her feet were that color. "Rice". She explained that she had recently run away from her family in the north. Her family appeared to live in some kind of indentured servitude to a farm-owner, many generations of rice growers. The families worked for generations for mostly room / boarding on the farm. "You stand in rice field all the day, you feet is like dis. I don't want dis my all life". She had contacted a cousin in Manila and made plans to escape the farm.

Working dance 9 hours indoors at night for p50 (with the option of a barfine for p1500) *might* be a considerably brighter future than working 10-11 hours in the sun for: 0 pesos.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1914158]
In reality, Western and East Asian capital drives the system. If workers push for better wages, the cost of production--whether for Nike shoes, pineapples, or rice--goes up, and international owners close shop and move to another country where excess untrained laborers will work for lower wages. Nike executives rarely observe these frontline dynamics, but they can certainly calculate the bottom line. Philippine education systems and the country's profligate elites are easy targets for criticism, and they make us feel, by comparison, superior. Having personally spent plenty of ink here criticizing Filipinos and their "backward" systems, I think we visitors may want to consider the various ways we reinforce this world system of inequalities.[/QUOTE]I don't feel "superior" criticising crappy schools or venal local elites. Maybe you do, but that's on you. To be so certain of the feelings and motives of unknown others requires the ability to read minds. Are you mind reader?

Look at the numbers. How many people are making Nike products (in factories not owned by Nike) around the world? Ever heard of Stella Shoe Co? Smartgain Enterprises Corporation? Beautop, Inc? And how many more local people are employed by local business? (BTW, contractors for Nike employ 58 workers in the Philippines. Fifty eight.) Locals exploiting locals under the nose the government; this is the real problem. But Nike needs to run around and sort out all these contractors and fix the government, too. This doesn't change anything for companies not supplying Nike or other western companies.

This finger pointing by western activists ignores the big problem to focus on the smaller problem because it's easier for them to shame and to extort money and pledges from a western company. "Stella Shoe Co. What's that? Nike. Oh, I know that one." Let's have the westerners come sort our problems. Evangelical missionaries used to do the same. That went well, didn't it? Outsiders bringing unwanted "solutions" or those that miss the target. My favorite one is the indoor toilets built for Indians who refuse to use them. And the donated second-hand clothes sent to west Africa that end up destroying local clothing businesses. Local people need to sort their own problems. They best know the problems, and by fixing them the solutions are theirs.

Under pressure from outsiders, governments and companies make some concessions to placate, but these are merely superficial and are often soon disregarded. The system is rigged. The real source of inequality, such as land and judicial reform isn't addressed. The culture barely changes. It seems this takes genuine uprising and blood to be spilt. And if they're lucky they don't get Pol Pot. Band-aid solutions may make westerners feel better that they're "doing something", but it delays and may even impede genuine reform.

Further, I think blaming Nike and others ignores the culpability of the individual consumer and his / her choices. "It's not my fault, it's Nike's" says the fella wearing Air Jordans. I tend to buy items made in western countries, and this includes footwear and clothes. It's more expensive, especially when import tax is levied, but I prefer to support these companies. I'm far from perfect, of course, but I prefer to look at my own actions rather than to ignore it whilst looking for others to take the heat.

/end rant. wrong section. apologies.

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1913927]I have a "friend" in Angeles who dances in a GoGo. She was recently taken ill and given a Medical Certificate for 4 days. Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.

My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.[/QUOTE]This asinine train of thought comes from a place of self loathing and / or guilt for seemingly participating in the exploitation of these women. Some of these girls are honestly being exploited and those eventually stop working in a bar and get a waitress job or something much more pedestrian such as Internet cafe attendant you will come to understand this in time. The ones who stay in this for the long haul have a scam they ask for your number and dig their hooks into the mark feeding off your aforementioned empathy. They bank on you being and feeling human and they create that empathy not out of your own wizened greatness that is your conscience, think. That conscience doesn't rear its ugly head when your balls deep in these women now does it? That empathy is "game" not all of them are adept enough to do this, I'm not talking absolutes but to think that some of these women are not running game is ridiculous. The women accept the low salaries because they have a plethora of empathetic fish asking to be taken advantage of. The reality is if they were paid a wage high enough they wouldn't bar fine hence no incentive for men to frequent these bars. You'll see this in Cambodia and Thailand some girls are shills, if you don't know what a shill is its someone who hypes up the scam and / or game or sometimes known as a bait and switch. They take home a salary and drinks and don't bar fine these "do" exist. Of course we have no sympathy for the idiot who sends his money to these skilled fleecers because of his now extremely empathetic mindset but this is also exploitation by definition. It may be harder to empathizes with someone who we don't consider pitiful but that's how these guys fall into this trap. This is a stage in mongering either you move past this or your mongering days are over, because you can't believe that you sent that money to this women who for some reason continued to hook even after the farcical incentive is gone. This is not as mind boogieing as it seems and this would suggest that these women know exactly what they are doing which is incomprehensible to men this this guy who pasted who have some kind of complex in that they think they know something these women don't.

Ill give you a good example, I met a girl in Myanmar which has a burgeoning sex industry I want to high like this because it is an example of how these bars become a place where the women flock and why they are attractive to the women, her name is nay-nay and she has a friend names tu-tu. So tu-tu is quite famous and has stared in many monger videos on youtube. She has at least that I know of 3-4 men who send her money monthly. She also doesn't not bar fine at the bar any more and continues to dance and look for new marks but now lives off the monthly passive income. Nay-nay wasn't sad about her having to fuck and suck on these beasts they pick up from the bars. Her source of her malcontent was deeper int that she was not able to fleece these men as well as tu-tu.

I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1915700]I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.[/QUOTE]Not everyone buys drinks with intentions to barfine. Some people like to go in and party with the girls, or have them sit there and play with their dick, or rub all over the chicks in return for the drink. If you were intent on barfining, maybe ask the girl before buying a drink. That is how I did it in Cambodia after reading that chicks at a lot of bars will not leave out with you. They would even try to be slick and say buy drinks first then we talk about it. No. You tell me if you will leave with me then I decide to buy drinks.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1915700]I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.[/QUOTE]It is called "Buyer Beware". If I am out bar hopping, looking for a date, I always ask upfront if she goes out. I have sent many girls back to the stage when they said, sorry sir, I don't go out. I agree with you 100%. If I girl is on stage accepting drinks, she should be available for take out.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1915700]I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. [/QUOTE]Seeing you operate MM, I am surprised the girls are not buying you the drinks. I trust you will start doing a lot more free lance hunting.