Kyiv

[QUOTE=Rog123;2293114]Haha give me a break. Things are slowly changing but Ukraine is still one of the more racist countries in the world.[/QUOTE]I am mostly East Asian and have spent six months in Ukraine while dating a Ukrainian girl. 100% no problems in Odessa or Kyiv. I think if you are not seeking too much attention or causing trouble, you will not have a problem.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2293167]2. Why is it that one out of six or so girls at Rio Strip Club refuses to go with me for $300 but does so with other men? Because I do not interest her. And that's perfectly fine, I do not feel less masculine over that..[/QUOTE]Because you're not a local that can supply a steady stream of support. Their's nothing interesting about a transaction with a tourist at Rio. Show yourself with the qualities of a good sponsor and you'll have their attention.

[URL]http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-pretty-cute-eva-33495[/URL]

I know it doesn't belong, but here's a beautiful Ukrainian girl in Chicago. Eva opened up to me. She comes from a good family in Kiev, but she's the black sheep. Eva is the kind that has just come to realize that she'll need a sponsor to get by. Unfortunately, I'm already booked up playing daddy. 99% of noob travelers will visit Ukraine and never meet a girl like Eva.

I am interested in advice on massage in Kiev. I am looking for something like Tantra or a massage where you are teased for the whole duration of the massage.

I am more looking for a erotic massage than a body to body massage, it is more important that the hand massage is good, but still with a attractive girl.

Also the place needs to be nice and fresh.

[QUOTE=Riina;2293311][URL]http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-pretty-cute-eva-33495[/URL]

I know it doesn't belong, but here's a beautiful Ukrainian girl in Chicago. Eva opened up to me. She comes from a good family in Kiev, but she's the black sheep. Eva is the kind that has just come to realize that she'll need a sponsor to get by. Unfortunately, I'm already booked up playing daddy. 99% of noob travelers will visit Ukraine and never meet a girl like Eva.[/QUOTE]100% of the guys will not, those type girls left 3-5 years ago. A few guys are hanging onto the old days, it will never be the same and the decline will continue.

[QUOTE=Riina;2293311][URL]http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-pretty-cute-eva-33495[/URL]

I know it doesn't belong, but here's a beautiful Ukrainian girl in Chicago. Eva opened up to me. She comes from a good family in Kiev, but she's the black sheep. Eva is the kind that has just come to realize that she'll need a sponsor to get by. Unfortunately, I'm already booked up playing daddy. 99% of noob travelers will visit Ukraine and never meet a girl like Eva.[/QUOTE]You mean average looking girl who has half her leg covered with ugly tattoo that charges $350 for an hour? Seems like noob travelers would be lucky to avoid a girl like this.

[QUOTE=TinyHippo;2293284]Then you are trying to date a pro which makes no sense or the other option is that you offer only money. Mongering is a fun game. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but there are thousands of girls in Kyiv. All I know is that I have banged what would be impossible in my home country for free or little money (200) while being an average looking 40 yo with average western EU salary.[/QUOTE]No pros for me. Think about it logically. Relationships are financially based when significantly younger Ukrainians date older men. Why risk shame when a young hottie has all the young dick in the world. I've seen the situation many times where the girl never asks for money and plays good traditional girl to the unsuspecting fool. Which is basically nothing more than an exploratory attempt to see who you are and what can be extracted in the big picture.

Tons of young Western guys always get connected to girlfriends in Ukraine. What really happens most of the time? Guy goes to Ukraine. Guy spends a few months developing a relationship. Girl gives guy opportunity to see what he is about. Girl sees guy can't change her life for better. Girl starts showing no interest. Guy is completely confused as to what happened. He thought he was going to get a free in house pussy. LOL.

Believe what you want fellas. Freebies everywhere in Ukraine for grown up men. Yeah, for sure.

[QUOTE=Habeed;2256494]So what's interesting I have learned is with Ukrainians, there's no such thing as a "done deal" or a fixed price. Though this can go both ways. With this girl, picture attached this time, we agreed on $300 US a day for 10 days, and she agreed to spend her time not at work with me. Like a couple I guess. But now that I have seen her, and she attaches some value to me (I'm the right age range to possibly marry her, am single, live in the US and can offer a visa, not terrible looking and am a white dude), suddenly she's both trying to squeeze me to buy her thousands of dollars of washing equipment and furniture and offering lower prices when I show signs of considering other girls. It's rather interesting how bipolar it is.[/QUOTE]Girls lose all respect for you if you make it clear that you are a fool. I do not know how much she makes in her regular job, if she has one, but you are giving her as much as she earns in a month every day or two. They might stay with you but only as the money keeps flowing. She does not like you, nor is she thinking of marrying you. Well, maybe she might marry you and take you for half your stuff 3 months later with the help of a shark divorce lawyer. She will however, respect the divorce lawyer.

[QUOTE=Riina;2293311][URL]http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-pretty-cute-eva-33495[/URL]

I know it doesn't belong, but here's a beautiful Ukrainian girl in Chicago. Eva opened up to me. She comes from a good family in Kiev, but she's the black sheep. Eva is the kind that has just come to realize that she'll need a sponsor to get by. Unfortunately, I'm already booked up playing daddy. 99% of noob travelers will visit Ukraine and never meet a girl like Eva.[/QUOTE]It does belong here, Riina. We are global mongers. It certainly belongs much more than discussing Ukrainian girls dramatically deprived of attention, and fleeing in herds to Moscow leaving Kiev empty and full of inferior but very expensive women rated no higher than mediocre 6.

Interesting that Eva describes her English as good, and Ukrainian as basic. Easy to believe, because Russian is still the common language in Kiev.

Great to see that ladies like Eva withstand the pressure from CPD. But risks and dangers are part of our hobby everywhere.

Riina, it is good to have such a great offering for locals. I do not know your appetite, so let's say I decided to make an equivalent of a 2 weeks adult Walt Disney amusement for myself in Chicago. $350 an hour is steep. Let's say the girl agrees to do this business transaction cutting the middlemen out. I usually pay 75%, where regular cut is no more than 40%. So it becomes $250. I need 2 girls a day minimum. I'm sure you know where I'm going, and it doesn't really apply to you, but allow me to elaborate please.

$500 x14=$7,000.

Assuming there's a free and secure landing pad, no need for vacation / time off, one girl is taken upon waking up before having your coffee, while still in pajamas and slippers)) and the other girl arrives in her mini, high heels, and sexy lingerie after you finished your evening commute, or shutdown all the computers in the home office.

Cheapest round trip to Kiev from Chicago was $730 in 2018. Usually it is $1,100-1,700. Let's take $1,500.

$50 a night at a decent downtown AirBnb makes another $700.

Let's say I invite a mix of my regulars plus a dozen of random call girls. 2000 UAH an hour or overnight is a typical pay. Let's say I have no more than 2 girls every day and spend slightly more lavishly than in Chicago, keeping them for 2 hours each. 8000 UAH is about $300 these days. Total of $4200 on keeping me a company over 2 weeks.

The total travel + lodging + companionship = $6,400 vs. $,7000 above.

I know Eva & Co are more convenient for you, and that is difficult to argue with. It is also much more affordable, if you do not splurge in the manner of my erotic escapades over multiple days. I definitely value the availability of Ukrainian ladies in Chicago around the year, while I visit Kiev only few times a year.

Well, "Suum cuique" - to each his own. I doubt I would be able to concentrate on my work if Ukrainian girls were that easily accessible in my city.

Surely thanks for sharing!

[QUOTE=Riina;2293307]Because you're not a local that can supply a steady stream of support. Their's nothing interesting about a transaction with a tourist at Rio. Show yourself with the qualities of a good sponsor and you'll have their attention.[/QUOTE]How come then one out of those six girls is still seeing me for free every time I visit Kiev over the last 3 years? And another one gave me her phone number on the first try even though I didn't order her that night? We met multiple times outside Rio. For the latter one I paid, but it was affordable, and lots of fun.

I'll give you a hint. Both girls were newbies at Rio, and didn't really belong there. They quit shortly.

It is up to each monger to think of himself as a boring guy that buys services, or a supercool gentleman that makes life of women around him much more worthwhile. If anything, Ukrainian actresses are good at inflating the self-confidence of those boys that need make-believe while visiting or even residing.

[QUOTE=FuckedUpSwede;2270237]I have read a good portion of the thread with great pleasure. I live in Sweden, as my avatar suggest, and I am not a seasoned monger.

Kiev is a short, and cheap, flight from Stockholm. I have never visited Ukraine before, I mostly travel inside Sweden for work and sometimes to the European cities for work and for leisure. I am 45 years old and reasonably fit.

I created a profile on Mamba. I put in a phrase in English telling that I am a businessman travelling in Europe that want some intellectual, and maybe, physically stimuli when travelling thru Kiev. I told my real age, told I am a bit overweight (80 kg /174 cm), high income (I suppose I have in comparison to Ukraine), put a nice photo of myself in a swimming pool drinking a Pina Colada and gave it a shot. I sent out a generic "Hi" to approx 20 females from 25-45 that accepted my age and spoke English (according to their profile).

Most did not answer at all, some put me on ignore and a few answered with bad English.

One that answered was 35 and directly started to try to control me, asking for photos in different angles and asked why I was bothering her. I told her that I wanted some company when in Kiev and she sent me a Viber number and told me to contact her when in Kiev.[/QUOTE]I think there is a lack of confidence here. They want wolves, not dogs, not even dogs with pedigrees. 80 does not seem too overweight for 174. A 40 year old woman is a waste of time. You should have asked he if she had a daughter, or a niece. If she did not want to walk, you could have suggested she spent all day on her back.

They love it when you spend money on them. 6800 shoes? That is more than one months's wages! She would immediately sell them!

[QUOTE=Kirch;2270441]I have posted this about 7 years ago. I found it somewhere in the internet. It is still so much truth about it, I still have to laugh reading this..[/QUOTE]I agree, except for the bit about sexy outfits. That is the beauty of Kiev, for the novices, it is impossible to tell the hookers from the non-pros (or semi-pros).

[QUOTE=MichiT;2291522]What that dude is talking about!? 5'000 $? I have no money and cannot pay money to girls!

About that dude: maybe he is simply not attractive enough for the girl? I have not the slightest idea how that particular dude looks like, how old, how he behaves etc but I met some guys where I am not surprised the girls wanted not have sex or more with them. So, often the ugly man who expects the perfect girl is an illusion.

And again: 5'000 $?! Come on!? Loooool![/QUOTE]Yes. I do not know what this guy is doing. It seems he is wasting obscene amounts of money and getting very little in return. These girls just do not respect fools. Well, no women, ever, anywhere in the world, respects a fool.

For 2000 UAH a pop, I can get extremely good girls, ranging from 18 to 36, students to milfs, pros and non-pros. If they know you are a possible repeat and long term client, good service is assured. For 5000 USD (why is he negotiating in foreign currencies! Which is the equivalent of 134,000 UAH, I could get 67 girls. Surely among the 67 there would a little of everything (short and tall, slim and curvy, teens and milfs, enthusiastic performers and apathetic pros, and everything in between. Variety is the spice of life, and among them a couple of dozen worth repeating and worth joining your regular" list.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2278856]Update.

We talked about this issue and she explained that she had bad mood and was unwilling to have sex because her periods are coming, and her body hurts. This is understandable. Just going to see how will she behave after her periods.

To answer your question. I can afford 500 per fuck, but the problem is that when we agreed on the meeting, what I expected was to fuck as many times as I want every day.[/QUOTE]For how much you are paying her, she should be obligated to find you a substitute, a professional substitute, at her own expense, whenever you happen to be in the mood for some action. She would pay her friends 100 to 200 to do it with you, and she would still make more money than if she had a job.

[QUOTE=Riina;2293055]If you mean they are looking for an interesting guy, I completely disagree with you. They are looking for a man that will feed them and keep feeding them and then feed them some more. And if you stop, bye bye relationship. Absolutely true about overlooking age and looks. But you have to be the kind of man that accepts himself as a walking ATM. You have to be understanding to the fact they'll never appreciate anything you give. Most men don't have the strength or the sense of reality to play the cards in their favor.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. I am not so sure about the requirement of being a walking ATM. I am back home in Europe and still have regular contact with three girls from last year. I am a poor man and I am a very empty ATM. But as a general rule, I would probably agree with you. In most cases.