Kyiv

[QUOTE=TinyHippo;2293284]Then you are trying to date a pro which makes no sense or the other option is that you offer only money. Mongering is a fun game. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but there are thousands of girls in Kyiv. All I know is that I have banged what would be impossible in my home country for free or little money (200) while being an average looking 40 yo with average western EU salary.[/QUOTE]In this point 100 % agreement.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2293470]Hmmm. I am not so sure about the requirement of being a walking ATM. I am back home in Europe and still have regular contact with three girls from last year. I am a poor man and I am a very empty ATM. But as a general rule, I would probably agree with you. In most cases.[/QUOTE]If I am not mistaken, you are substantially younger.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2293470]Hmmm. I am not so sure about the requirement of being a walking ATM. I am back home in Europe and still have regular contact with three girls from last year. I am a poor man and I am a very empty ATM. But as a general rule, I would probably agree with you. In most cases.[/QUOTE]In fact, you will not meet with the girls and say, "I am poor. " And you will not say that you live in a cheap hostel. You will wear good clothes (fake or original). You are playing with a new iPhone (of course only purchased on contract / credit). Visit a good restaurant with the girls. You play a role. You are an actor. The girls believe you. The girls believe that you have money. That's all. If you honestly say, "I have absolutely no money", then you will see how many of the three girls still want to have contact with you.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2293487]If I am not mistaken, you are substantially younger.[/QUOTE]Not so sure about it. Not so young, 40+.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2293640]In fact, you will not meet with the girls and say, "I am poor. " And you will not say that you live in a cheap hostel. You will wear good clothes (fake or original). You are playing with a new iPhone (of course only purchased on contract / credit). Visit a good restaurant with the girls. You play a role. You are an actor. The girls believe you. The girls believe that you have money. That's all. If you honestly say, "I have absolutely no money", then you will see how many of the three girls still want to have contact with you.[/QUOTE]Really? Well, I wouldn't wear fake brand clothes. Such people are clowns for me. I do not even need brand names. I take clothes that look good and have a good size. Not expensive brand names (but can be) and for sure no trash clothes.

Then, no, I am not playing with an expensive iPhone. I don't even have an iPhone. I use my normal good Samsung (e. G. A5) or Huaweii (e. G. P10). Again, nothing extraordinary and no trash.

About restaurant, I went never ever with a girl to expensive fancy restaurants. We go typically for a walk, for a coffee, etc. Also here, nothing expensive or fancy but also no trash. However, sometimes it can even be Pizhata Chats.

That's all. If you are a cool, relaxed guy, not ugly and also not perfect, then you are in the race.

And about money, yes I do say "I have no money". I even told them that that I didn't have work for almost one year.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2293640]In fact, you will not meet with the girls and say, "I am poor. " And you will not say that you live in a cheap hostel. You will wear good clothes (fake or original). You are playing with a new iPhone (of course only purchased on contract / credit). Visit a good restaurant with the girls. You play a role. You are an actor. The girls believe you. The girls believe that you have money. That's all. If you honestly say, "I have absolutely no money", then you will see how many of the three girls still want to have contact with you.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with this. I have had success in Kiev. I am a beach bum I dress shabby for Kiev standards. Getting dressed up for me is tennis shoes jeans and button up quicksilver shirt. I don't even bring dress shoes to Kiev anymore. I don't want some fancy gold digger anyways I like amateur college girls. Have a very hot GF from Kiev she has asked me for $ only once I send her $75 every now and then without solicitation to help her out.

The first thing I tell any girl I meet in Kiev "I'm not rich man. Have good job but need to save to come on vacation. But I am generous man" this makes it easier to say no when asked for money. Normally bring small gifts for my favorite girls.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2293664]Not so sure about it. Not so young, 40+.[/QUOTE]I am mistaken then. No substitute for meeting in person. Let me know if you'll be in Kiev in May-June, and willing to meet. We can exchange information and few stories. I understand though that most of the mongers do not visit to meet each other. We are in Ukraine to appreciate the beauty of its females.

Too bad "Mandarin" is closed for so many years now. Was my favorite place to meet with friends in the presence of young semi-naked ladies. Food was also good there. Rio gets too crowded and Scarlette seems boring.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2293666]...About restaurant, I went never ever with a girl to expensive fancy restaurants. We go typically for a walk, for a coffee, etc. Also here, nothing expensive or fancy but also no trash. However, sometimes it can even be Pizhata Chats...[/QUOTE]Puzata Hata is my lithmus test to check if the girl thinks too much of herself.

I do not mind taking my date to Avalon, because I like the food and atmosphere, the mood there myself. Ladies certainly get impressed, and I do not mind that either, as a bonus on a side, not as an objective.

I do not go to super expensive places, like Premiere Palace or Monaco, because there's enough of decent options in Kiev without spending too much. But if the girl refuses to go to Puzata Hata, then her days, hours and minutes are numbered.

As previously discussed, smarter ladies prefer getting that cash to themselves, instead of spending on a fancy dinner.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2293463]For how much you are paying her, she should be obligated to find you a substitute, a professional substitute, at her own expense, whenever you happen to be in the mood for some action. She would pay her friends 100 to 200 to do it with you, and she would still make more money than if she had a job.[/QUOTE]What a great business proposal!

This begs the question: how much would one need to pay a female friend per day for bringing her college mates to perform casting? Would 1000 UAH be enough? 500 UAH?

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2293461]...For 5000 USD (why is he negotiating in foreign currencies! Which is the equivalent of 134,000 UAH, I could get 67 girls. Surely among the 67 there would a little of everything (short and tall, slim and curvy, teens and milfs, enthusiastic performers and apathetic pros, and everything in between. Variety is the spice of life, and among them a couple of dozen worth repeating and worth joining your regular" list.[/QUOTE]That is precisely what I did in September-October of 2018!

Granted I spent more time with some of the girls and sometimes paid less, sometimes more per each companionship, but it is absolutely in the ballpark, including the final headcount. As a result it helped me to reinforce significantly my harem of regulars that were very accommodating during my next visit in November-December 2018.

The challenge though, Antony is not as promiscuous, and doesn't need variety. Forgive me for speaking on his behalf. He wants a true GF. Except he looks for her in the wrong place. But that Pygmalion archetype has been represented in the Art many times.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2293452]I agree, except for the bit about sexy outfits. That is the beauty of Kiev, for the novices, it is impossible to tell the hookers from the non-pros (or semi-pros).[/QUOTE]Oh yeah!

Here is another lengthy story: My GF was having a dinner at Avalon, while I finished with a 1 m 76 tall 18 years old blonde call girl Nicole at our apartment behind the corner. We ordered a taxi, and went outside, it was cold, the wait was still another 15 minutes, I suggested to go upstairs for a tea at Avalon. In the elevator I explained that my GF will meet us, and it will be absolutely no problem. Nicole was understandably nervous, but after some hesitation agreed. GF smiled, and ordered another cup of tea, spoke to Nicole a little, and then taxi has arrived.

After Nicole has left GF tried to belittle the competition:

- Why these young girls always dress so that it is obvious a mile away that they are hookers?

I looked and decided not to argue, because the difference in respective styles was only the price of each others outfits. Otherwise this reminded me an old blind date joke:

- How would I recognize you?

- Well. You will see a young woman, and you will pray the Lord that it shouldn't be me.

- And. ?

- It will be!

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2293787]I am mistaken then. No substitute for meeting in person. Let me know if you'll be in Kiev in May-June, and willing to meet. We can exchange information and few stories. I understand though that most of the mongers do not visit to meet each other. We are in Ukraine to appreciate the beauty of its females.

Too bad "Mandarin" is closed for so many years now. Was my favorite place to meet with friends in the presence of young semi-naked ladies. Food was also good there. Rio gets too crowded and Scarlette seems boring.[/QUOTE]Loool, I am a poor man, I cannot afford Rio)).

Send me PM to arrange for meeting, I may have time in June for a weekend.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2293666]And about money, yes I do say "I have no money". I even told them that that I didn't have work for almost one year.[/QUOTE]When they ask me what my occupation is, I say that I don't need to work. They become either very silent, or they say, that's cool. I used to say, that I work for the mafias, with a smirk. But it was too risky, I thought.

[QUOTE=RollBuzz;2294172]When they ask me what my occupation is, I say that I don't need to work. They become either very silent, or they say, that's cool. I used to say, that I work for the mafias, with a smirk. But it was too risky, I thought.[/QUOTE]Tell them you are on a pension. Never share insight to your resources.

[QUOTE=RollBuzz;2294172]When they ask me what my occupation is, I say that I don't need to work. They become either very silent, or they say, that's cool. I used to say, that I work for the mafias, with a smirk. But it was too risky, I thought.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Are the two answers good? First typically is a lie. I met some guys from the forum who also claimed they do "not need" to work. But I suddenly realized they are lying. They bought cheap food, were wearing cheap clothes, behaved overall cheap. Not a good basis for a relationship. Then the second answer? Not sure what to think about that. But hey, each his own, I don't want to judge.