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I searched but couldn't find reports on this topic. Has anyone had success in getting BBFS? Maybe not the first time but what about on a repeat session. I don't speak Russian, and I'd be using the agencies. BBFS isn't a must, but something I prefer.

Check my reports for very detailed reports for other locations like Colombia (Bogota and Medellin), Phnom Penh, Angeles City, Shanghai.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2294190]Hmmm. Are the two answers good? First typically is a lie. I met some guys from the forum who also claimed they do "not need" to work. But I suddenly realized they are lying. They bought cheap food, were wearing cheap clothes, behaved overall cheap. Not a good basis for a relationship. Then the second answer? Not sure what to think about that. But hey, each his own, I don't want to judge.[/QUOTE]Firstly, I accept that we are lying to the girls all the time. Have a tight story. Is the first piece of advice when meeting EE girls. Typically, it means, have a gullible explanation why you are in Kiev, not including you are only looking for as many hookups as possible. Saying that you have no job (because you don't need to) does not mean that you don't have in real life. But in my experience, it's an easy answer because girls will not ask you out so much, as if you say f. Ex. That you work for an international company, real estate, banks, embassy etc. I have a good job, I can travel a lot and have flexible schedules. But I go to Kiev for other reasons.
My other answer, I don't use it anymore, only wanted to mention it. Feel free to use.
PS. The best cynical answer I’ve heard, is to say you work in meat. But it’s difficult as a topic of discussion!

[QUOTE=Riina;2294179]Tell them you are on a pension. Never share insight to your resources.[/QUOTE]Pension? It reveals insight to my resources.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2294190]Hmmm. Are the two answers good? First typically is a lie. I met some guys from the forum who also claimed they do "not need" to work. But I suddenly realized they are lying. They bought cheap food, were wearing cheap clothes, behaved overall cheap. Not a good basis for a relationship. Then the second answer? Not sure what to think about that. But hey, each his own, I don't want to judge.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Even if you have 10 million USD in the bank, you are still going to work or you are just wasting your life away. Saying you do not need to work just means you are lying, lazy, or 75 years old. Just imagine if you met a girl and she said she had no hobbies and did not listen to music, read books, or watch TV. You would be like. Wtf are you doing with your life?

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2293796]That is precisely what I did in September-October of 2018!

Granted I spent more time with some of the girls and sometimes paid less, sometimes more per each companionship, but it is absolutely in the ballpark, including the final headcount. As a result it helped me to reinforce significantly my harem of regulars that were very accommodating during my next visit in November-December 2018.

The challenge though, Antony is not as promiscuous, and doesn't need variety. Forgive me for speaking on his behalf. He wants a true GF. Except he looks for her in the wrong place. But that Pygmalion archetype has been represented in the Art many times.[/QUOTE]Antony's problem is that he thinks money will get him a girlfriend. That is never the case and he should focus on improving his status (looks, appearance, confidence). I definitely need to do the same, but I am smart enough to never to try to date a girl that I am paying to have sex with. Best bet for him is to spend some money to bang some hot semi-pros to improve his confidence until he finds a real girl.

Experience helps in future relationships. I somehow met a 8+/10 on Tinder and we hit it off a couple years ago. She was 22 yo, 176 cm, artistic and with long brunette hair. Pretty much exactly what I dream about, but I could not handle being obsessed and jealous about her. She wanted to move really slow in the relationship (which most hot girls do) and it drove me crazy which ruined the relationship. While the situation really sucked at the time, the experience has helped me a lot more in the future. Just as we always comment girls can smell money. They can smell confidence and status too.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2294311]I searched but couldn't find reports on this topic. Has anyone had success in getting BBFS? Maybe not the first time but what about on a repeat session. I don't speak Russian, and I'd be using the agencies. BBFS isn't a must, but something I prefer...[/QUOTE]Assuming you have no plans to marry (or make your exclusive GF) the girl that would be stupid enough to agree, I have the following thoughts.

There was an aspiring woman, that upon our third or fourth encounter started suggesting BBFS. First just a hint, and then in a more and more persistent manner. Kicked her out, and never ever saw her again. For two reasons:

1. Please read prior discussions. Girls need money. Getting the guy on the hook with a baby sometime helps. Some men do a surgery to prevent this from happening.

2. There are easier ways of getting killed. And please do not educate us on how rare and improbable it is to contract HIV, and many other STDs. Chances are actually higher downstream, but I suppose you do not care about girls, or have yet another explanation.

If you ever find such an agency, please PM or post, so that most of us can avoid it like the plague.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2294311]I searched but couldn't find reports on this topic. Has anyone had success in getting BBFS? Maybe not the first time but what about on a repeat session. I don't speak Russian, and I'd be using the agencies. BBFS isn't a must, but something I prefer.

Check my reports for very detailed reports for other locations like Colombia (Bogota and Medellin), Phnom Penh, Angeles City, Shanghai.[/QUOTE]What is the term BBFS?

[QUOTE=MichiT;2294774]What is the term BBFS?[/QUOTE]Did they ban you on Google and Urban Dictionary?

Bare Back Full Service. Vaginal sex without protection. IMHO that's okay in monogamous relationship, but not while mongering, as I consider all of those girls also as human beings, not a disposable material.

[QUOTE=TinyHippo;2294663]Exactly. Even if you have 10 million USD in the bank, you are still going to work or you are just wasting your life away. Saying you do not need to work just means you are lying, lazy, or 75 years old. Just imagine if you met a girl and she said she had no hobbies and did not listen to music, read books, or watch TV. You would be like. Wtf are you doing with your life?[/QUOTE]I've met many mid aged men in life that no longer need to work and I certainly would not say they are wasting their lives not working more. Their's a lot of fun and experiences to be had in this world outside of more meaningless work. I can't help but feel that you believe a Western mentality will convert successfully in Ukraine. It won't.

For the doubters, try telling a girl in Ukraine that you are a hard working 9 to 5 go getter and then make some judgement on her lifestyle. Tell her she's a lazy bum and this is not how it's done in the West. Ukrainians love confident and strong willed men. Let us know how it goes?

Pussy is free in Ukraine. But you'll only tap it for as long as she believes you are bettering her lifestyle.

[QUOTE=TinyHippo;2294663]Exactly. Even if you have 10 million USD in the bank, you are still going to work or you are just wasting your life away. Saying you do not need to work just means you are lying, lazy, or 75 years old. Just imagine if you met a girl and she said she had no hobbies and did not listen to music, read books, or watch TV. You would be like. Wtf are you doing with your life?[/QUOTE]20 years ago 3-5 million USD was sufficient to live off of it. Nowadays it is no less than 10 indeed.

I wouldn't waste my life away if I wasn't working in the widely accepted perception of the expression "working occupation". There are so many ways to stay busy and happy besides work and mongering. Staying fit and healthy surely requires time and resources. Mental health and education is another dimension. There are many more.

And for the record, I do not consider mongering as a waste of time. Its is yet another form of Art. I like Art in all its manifestations.

[QUOTE=Riina;2294808]I've met many mid aged men in life that no longer need to work and I certainly would not say they are wasting their lives not working more. Their's a lot of fun and experiences to be had in this world outside of more meaningless work. I can't help but feel that you believe a Western mentality will convert successfully in Ukraine. It won't.

For the doubters, try telling a girl in Ukraine that you are a hard working 9 to 5 go getter and then make some judgement on her lifestyle. Tell her she's a lazy bum and this is not how it's done in the West. Ukrainians love confident and strong willed men. Let us know how it goes?

Pussy is free in Ukraine. But you'll only tap it for as long as she believes you are bettering her lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Free Pussy in Ukraine, very, very unlikely, unless you have extremely low standards. Not to mention the time you will put in and expenses flying to Kiev. You pay, one way or another.

[QUOTE=Riina;2294808]I've met many mid aged men in life that no longer need to work and I certainly would not say they are wasting their lives not working more. There's a lot of fun and experiences to be had in this world outside of more meaningless work.[/QUOTE]Can't agree more with you, Riina! Even outside of more meaningful work there's a lot of great experiences.

[QUOTE]I can't help but feel that you believe a Western mentality will convert successfully in Ukraine. It won't.

For the doubters, try telling a girl in Ukraine that you are a hard working 9 to 5 go getter and then make some judgement on her lifestyle. Tell her she's a lazy bum and this is not how it's done in the West. Ukrainians love confident and strong willed men. Let us know how it goes?[/QUOTE]And please ask someone to record a video of that conversation. I'd like to see how her face expression changes.

[QUOTE]Pussy is free in Ukraine. But you'll only tap it for as long as she believes you are bettering her lifestyle.[/QUOTE]That's a strong statement. There's certainly free high quality pussy in Ukraine. I have witnessed it myself on more than occasion. Typically there is an associated expense one way or the other, but as Forrest Gump said, miracles do happen in every day's life. The pinnacle was when after going to Theater and subsequent dinner, my 9 without any discussion decided to stay overnight. That was our second date ever. The problem however was that at 3 am driver had to take me to the airport, and she didn't know that yet. But precisely as Riina says she believed that I am bettering her lifestyle, and in many ways I was. It is an equivalent of the proverbial "pursuit of happiness" without the actual guarantee of reaching happiness.

We did meet again when I returned to Kiev and stayed together for LTR. I didn't discuss her life style. Her pussy is no less than top 5 in my list. Money wasn't mentioned. Those who want a proof that she was at least 9, please meet me at Avalon in May.

Sorry, spending between $1000-1700 on an airline, missing a couple of weeks of work, to bang a 5 or 6 is definitely, not free pussy. As I have mentioned, most guys could bang 5 or 6's in there native country, for free. . You guys might want to take a double take on the pictures you guys are posting of these supposed High Quality girls. Just normal girls, in an over inflated market.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2294863]Free Pussy in Ukraine, very, very unlikely, unless you have extremely low standards. Not to mention the time you will put in and expenses flying to Kiev. You pay, one way or another.[/QUOTE]Simply not true.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2295273]Simply not true.[/QUOTE]As Karl Marx said: "Practice Is the Sole Criterion of Truth". Hehehe.

Whether a theory correctly reflects the objectively existing objects (beautiful and affordable Ukrainian ladies) with which it concerns itself, and whether it is the truth, cannot be determined within the sphere of thinking, or by means of dramatic theoretical argument, but only on the basis of testing in social practice.

As applied to mongering, AFAIK in November 2018 in Ukraine, Michi T performed social practice directly related to the subject of our discussion. So did I in September, October, November and December of 2018. So did couple of friends whose opinion I trust and value, and that was in January and February 2019. Somehow we all found beautiful Ukrainian ladies. Some of those beautiful ladies were free. Some of the flights to Kiev were on business, also free.

Dramatic theoretical argument on Forum without visiting Ukraine for years versus social practice on the ground in Kiev.

IMO Michi T wins easily.