Angeles City

[QUOTE=Peraxx;1917513]Quick question. I'll be in AC for a couple of days. If I were to fancy a three- or foursome in the style of Bangkok's Eden club (girl on girl activity), what pub / club would you recommend?

I promise I'll post a report if things play out right.[/QUOTE]These things can be arranged ad hoc but you're on a short time schedule right? If you have any experience of this you know that money talks right? Pina's tend to be shy of lezzy stuff but can be found.
The biggest clubs are more difficult to get this but it varies depending if its rainy season (less customers) or how recently the last raid occurred (no prostitution here, no sir!) Medium or smaller clubs can be better in my past experience. Smooge up to the mamasan (drinks, bullshit etc) and let her know what you need. Agree on a price. She will arrange home delivery or you can make a big splash with a giant limo out front to pick up your new best friends. I'd be eye balling & interviewing the girls myself to make sure they know what's expected & you know what you're buying. Bring plenty of money. 10 years ago you could pick up a tag team in the disco's or just ask a bar girl to 'bring a friend' but its much more commercial now. 10 years ago fresh off the farm girls would routinely bareback but its latex all the way these days. Have a lot of fun you deviate! I certainly do.

Quick question : were you envisaging an orgy style experience? In which case a 'private party' can be easily arranged with some of the bigger new hotels/clubs for a fee.. ahem.

AV.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1917306]A good idea. Why not start the thread? I have a friend whose alternative approach may also appeal to some, though his approach requires fairly frequent visits. He's big on threesomes, so much of the time, he will ask a girl with whom he's been before to bring a friend whose picture he has vetted. Once he's met the friend, he gets her number, invites her back but requests that she too bring a friend. He's been at this for a few years and he's now got so many names on his growing list that his greatest difficulty is deciding which girls he wants to see. By this time, all girls on the list are students who don't mind picking up extra money.

GE.[/QUOTE]Students. Gold mine for those visiting a couple of times a year or more (or living here). Have'nt ruined their bodies with jolli-bee (yet), sexually adventurous, understand hygiene & dress better than squatter girls, have a constant need for money to fund shoes / dresses / nail polish / cell phones & of course education costs, know lots of other like minded girls in the same position. Malaysia has a thriving student scene. But I digress.

AV.

[QUOTE=Peraxx;1917513]Quick question. I'll be in AC for a couple of days. If I were to fancy a three- or foursome in the style of Bangkok's Eden club (girl on girl activity), what pub / club would you recommend?

I promise I'll post a report if things play out right.[/QUOTE]One MO is to check out the dancers on the floor and look for the girls whom are playful together. Is it an act? Probably.

Interview one of them over a drink and let the party begin. Be sure to specify the one-on-one girl action. Nothing worse that on the bed while the alternate one is in the corner of the room on her phone.

Back at the room, a few drinks will help things along too.

BD.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1916581]But if you necessarily avoid their social circles, how can you confirm that a particular woman is, in fact, upper middle-class, other than from what she chooses to tell you or show you? Since Pinays are not particularly good at keeping secrets, isn't there some risk that this affair she is having with a contraband Brit burns a hole in her tongue until she spits it out to some girlfriend?[/QUOTE]It's exactly the same as the difference between working-class women and upper-class women in your own home country.

There are a lot things that may be evaluated. The sum is greater than the parts. The behavior. Their education; talk to a woman who was educated at private schools and was graduated from DLSU, then contrast her with a girl who completed high school, or is a school leaver. Their careers. You can tell BS pretty quickly when a person has a made up job. Talk to them about what their fathers do. They have a knowledge of food and dining - observe their table manners. They often are well traveled; it's tough for a poor Pinay to get a visa. Car ownership. Living in a Makati or BGC residence. They have an air of privilege that poor women don't have. These women are polished. A person can read about such things, but it's from repeated life experience that they acquire knowledge and comfort. Some things can be faked, but not everything.

I have no idea about the conversations they have with her friends. Maybe some do confide with those they trust. What they've told me is I'm safer than a Filipino guy because who am I going to tell?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1916824]
Please "big spenders" stop ruining the P4P markets all over the world. Do a little research and don't be a foolish jerk and overpay!

Master Monger. Disgusted and Distraught (First China, then Thailand, and now The Philippines. RIP).[/QUOTE]It's only going to get worse. Hang in there.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1917676]Quick question : were you envisaging an orgy style experience? In which case a 'private party' can be easily arranged with some of the bigger new hotels/clubs for a fee.. ahem.
AV.[/QUOTE]No, not really, just a couple of girls to spend the afternoon away with. As I'm making this detour to AC, let's go a bit out of the ordinary. Can splurge some dosh on the right girls (I live in Thailand, so I'm looking at this as a treat).

I was last in AC quite a few years ago, had a lovely experience in one of the bars along the perimeter road (bugger if I remember the name). Went there on a Saturday afternoon, picked up 2 very chatty girls, had a good session, sent them off with a 500 P tip after a couple of hours. Then went there again in the evening and scored one of the waitresses for the night.

Thanks again for your reply.

Hi guys,

I was visiting the Philippines (Subic & Olongapo) last year due to work. I am kind of old school guy so believe it or not I was with the first girl I meet the whole stay.

Yes there was plenty of times I saw a lot of nicer girls and was thinking about dumping her, but she was really GF, she went with for dinner every night, shopping, Gocart, waterworld bla. Bla.

I meet her the first night in a bar so I had to pay barfine 1500 P and I gave here 500 P tip cause she stayed until the next morning, this went on for a few nights, but then I found out that I just BF here for LT. So paid the bar 1500 P for a week and I paid the girl 1000 P for each night, and then she stayed with me the hole they & night. Some of you guys must think I am stupid, with all those girls, but I don't regret it, she was really worth it.

So too the point. Is there a chance to find a girl bar-girl in AC who will do the same, or are they just looking for LD & ST. And will it possible for the same amount of Pesos, course I think it was a pretty good deal.

I am going to AC in the end of this month so I am hoping to have the same experience.

BTW, I know my language skills is not the best, sorry for that.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1917873]It's exactly the same as the difference between working-class women and upper-class women in your own home country. They have an air of privilege that poor women don't have. These women are polished. A person can read about such things, but it's from repeated life experience that they acquire knowledge and comfort. Some things can be faked, but not everything?[/QUOTE]And of course these women know the difference between an upper class man and some contract IT worker of your home country. For all those guys thinking that sitting on a plane for a dozen hours or more miraculously transforms them into an interesting person: some things can be faked, but not everything.

[QUOTE=Peraxx;1917983]No, not really, just a couple of girls to spend the afternoon away with. As I'm making this detour to AC, let's go a bit out of the ordinary. Can splurge some dosh on the right girls (I live in Thailand, so I'm looking at this as a treat).

I was last in AC quite a few years ago, had a lovely experience in one of the bars along the perimeter road (bugger if I remember the name). Went there on a Saturday afternoon, picked up 2 very chatty girls, had a good session, sent them off with a 500 P tip after a couple of hours. Then went there again in the evening and scored one of the waitresses for the night.

Thanks again for your reply.[/QUOTE]I got you. Nice memories like this stay with us all. I reckon hit some of the smaller bars like Gecko's in the afternoon or very early evening. Have usually had great results that way (even door girls). The later the evening the less success.

Cheers.

AV.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1917873]There are a lot things that may be evaluated. The sum is greater than the parts. (snip) Their education; talk to a woman who was educated at private schools and was graduated from DLSU, then contrast her with a girl who completed high school, or is a school leaver. (Snip) Talk to them about what their fathers do. They have a knowledge of food and dining - observe their table manners. They often are well traveled; it's tough for a poor Pinay to get a visa. Car ownership. Living in a Makati or BGC residence. They have an air of privilege that poor women don't have. These women are polished. A person can read about such things, but it's from repeated life experience that they acquire knowledge and comfort. [/QUOTE]I admit I was testing you H, but thanks for the thoughtful comments. You give enough detail that it sounds genuine.

And thanks for your patience with us three-weeks-a-year-sex-warriors, who end up skulking around dark corners of AC or near the Rothman Hotel in Malate because we have little awareness of, let alone the cultural capital to be able to navigate, the higher end networks of Philippine society.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918252]And thanks for your patience with us three-weeks-a-year-sex-warriors, who end up skulking around dark corners of AC or near the Rothman Hotel in Malate because we have little awareness of, let alone the cultural capital to be able to navigate, the higher end networks of Philippine society.[/QUOTE]To be fair there are some of us, even long-timers, who can't be bothered to deal with the higher end. I suppose I would if I lived in the PI full-time but in my situation it just feels like too much work and too much like real life. Give me the sleazy environs of AC, Ermita, etc looking for diamonds in the rough and I'm perfectly happy. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1918132]And of course these women know the difference between an upper class man and some contract IT worker of your home country. For all those guys thinking that sitting on a plane for a dozen hours or more miraculously transforms them into an interesting person: some things can be faked, but not everything.[/QUOTE]But, as some other have also alluded to, even if you don't have to fake it, pursuing the higher end of society can be as time consuming and costly as it is in the West. I'd never advise anyone here for a relatively short time to frotter away precious days chasing the upper echelon women as the cost: benefit ration just isn't high enough. Better to stick to the bars or the well-established FL hangouts where failure is highly unlikely.

I was thinking about this last night while enjoying a cognac in Kojax. The place was packed with Westerners, Koreans, Japanese and a few Arabs, all of whom looked like they were having a great time, and many of whom fell in love for the evening, or for at least a couple of hours: neat, clean, no muss, no fuss and no false expectations. If I was here for the short-term and just wanted to have risk-free fun, there's no doubt it's the option I'd choose. I know Kojax is in Makati, but the same holds true for Angeles.

Another closely related option is to hit the bars, find a girl or two who appeals to you, and request she / they put her of their numbers in your phone. Text her the next day and ask her to come to your hotel instead of going to work. This works much of the time, as for many girls, there's little thrill in shuffling around a dance stage in ridiculously high heels for 8 hours, hoping (often in vain) to get bar fined. If this works for you, text her again for a repeat visit and ask her to bring a friend. Many will do so gladly as it's half the work for them. No bar fines, no ladies drinks, and no hassle.

GE.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918252]I admit I was testing you H, but thanks for the thoughtful comments. You give enough detail that it sounds genuine.

And thanks for your patience with us three-weeks-a-year-sex-warriors, who end up skulking around dark corners of AC or near the Rothman Hotel in Malate because we have little awareness of, let alone the cultural capital to be able to navigate, the higher end networks of Philippine society.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. Nothing wrong with skulking around dark corners; those are some of my favorite places. Certainly there is a difference between a visitor and a resident. If I were visiting for 3 weeks I'd spend a lot of my time taking the easier path to hapenis. As GE wrote below: "... the cost:benefit ratio just isn't high enough." Make no mistake, I'll bed just about anyone. Like everyone else I have my preferences, and I enjoy spending time with women who bring more than 3 orifices to the party. This doesn't happen always, of course. Irrespective of her socio-economic background, three holes are three holes.

My earlier comment was a reply to Red's; I disagreed that upper middle-class women are impossible to get. (The elites I don't know.) Yes, there are limits on each one of us, some more than others, but those that we impose on ourselves because of our own cultural background or hangups ought to be challenged. The Philippines is a very forgiving place when one expands his horizons; fuck up and there are plenty of other opportunities in this target rich environment.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1918132]And of course these women know the difference between an upper class man and some contract IT worker of your home country. For all those guys thinking that sitting on a plane for a dozen hours or more miraculously transforms them into an interesting person: some things can be faked, but not everything.[/QUOTE]You're correct. A upper-class woman should be able to sniff that out quickly.

What I mentioned earlier was about the girl's motivation. What does she want from this? If she wants a boyfriend, she's not hanging out with me. But if she just wants to get laid... women enjoy getting laid as much as the blokes; they have twice the number of nerve receptors in their pussies, so they may even enjoy it more, provided it's done well. Yet, women also face more scrutiny and consequences if revealed to be promiscuous. They face real social risks, and there have been many uni students expelled from school when caught up in a sex scandal that's recorded and uploaded to sites like iyottube. You can find videos titled like "UST student Maria Garcia fucks her BF." Any consequence for the guy? Not that I know of. Foreign men are seen as safer. How do I know this? I've been told by the girls themselves. Further, I've dealt with women who want to explore a fetish or two, but are too ashamed to ask their Filipino partners. Why? Judgment. In their minds they think the local fella will believe they are dirty women. There are women who want discreet, judgment-free hookups.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1918294]
My earlier comment was a reply to Red's; I disagreed that upper middle-class women are impossible to get. (The elites I don't know.) [/QUOTE]I am not sure what comment of mine you replied to Huts, but I am pretty sure I didn't use the word "impossible" or "never" in any posts I made. Having lived here long enough, like you, I know that there are always exceptions that prove the rule, especially in the Phils, but I think all of us are on the same page when we say that upper middle-class women are difficult to get and require a lot of serendipitous happenings for one to fall into your lap. Your comments that some women, even those of the upper 'class", just want to get laid now and again is true but it has to be done discreetly and they have the option to choose their partner.

I have been to some wine & cheese evenings at Manila Polo Club and there are a few well-heeled ladies there who enjoy a flirt and a chat, but I have never taken it beyond the function hall (yet!