[QUOTE=Ulver;2209074]Hells Angels.[/QUOTE]At Sharks? Never had problems with Hells there. We may not be on same type of girls. Also never had problems at World when I was there every week end.
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[QUOTE=Ulver;2209074]Hells Angels.[/QUOTE]At Sharks? Never had problems with Hells there. We may not be on same type of girls. Also never had problems at World when I was there every week end.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2208968]Yep, any fool who goes to the room without negotiating price beforehand can end up paying a hefty bill.[/QUOTE]When I meet a girl on first time, I don't want to speak about money or services, desire is not a market for me, but I look at how she looks at me, I listen to what she says and how she talks to me, I look at her hands and nails care, and shoes, to know what kind of girl she is. In room, I don't ask, I don't beg, I behave to make her will to give me, much more enjoyable than saying: I pay, so suck me.
On my last Sharks visit, I noticed a claimed part timer, seen for first time, she smiled to me, we introduced to each other at the bar, close to Stefi, she asked me how long I wanted to go? I answered as always: I like to take my time to enjoy, but it will depend on you, she answered: we have to be both to enjoy, interesting answer from a 32 yo Romanian woman, not a little girl. Let's go, not a model, but classy type. Ln room, after only few foreplay, she told me: but you are making love, for such intimacy, it's not same rate, I answered: I treat you like my GF, but if you want, we can stop and I pay you for the time, she looked at me and said: I don't want we stop, then kept on caressing, then DATY, I think she tried to resist, but she lost control for a deep YamaYama, and then became really passionate, with really deep kissing while fucking. 1 h30,150 , she said: I can't have other client like you for today, but was full smiling after, like were Emina, or Debi. If she was prettier, I would have returned to her to play to YamaYama her again, because she was a real pleasure after orgasmus. This is my way for sex to get pleasure, not only to empty balls, even when paying, give and you will be given back. Have to accept risk to lose sometimes, less risky about level in bed and behavior at Globe. Never needed to go to complain about any girl and I don't want, it stays just between the girl and me.
I am looking to visit an FKK club, like sharks, the first time this week.
Advice from the experienced punters: would you take any precautions for your first visit (HPV / Heptatitis vaccine for example)?
[QUOTE=Kossy;2209274]I am looking to visit an FKK club, like sharks, the first time this week.
Advice from the experienced punters: would you take any precautions for your first visit (HPV / Heptatitis vaccine for example)?[/QUOTE]Use condom to fuck, this is the biggest risk. No big risk when kissing or for BBBJ or DATY, saliva is a good protection, maybe you will catch cold in hot summer, but not much more. Relax and enjoy.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2208968]Yep, any fool who goes to the room without negotiating price beforehand can end up paying a hefty bill.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2208973]Or, learn how to handle the girls in the room. Different folks, different strokes. No one size fits all. Everyone has their different approaches that work for them.[/QUOTE]UH, I believe that Turgid knows how to handle the girls, at least I hope so, given his self-reported 30 years in the hobby. But can we just agree that his experience is different than yours? Turgid speaks openly about his spending habits. It sounds like probably 80 percent of his sessions are 50 EUR rooms. And he tends to sample the rainbow rather than repeat.
You on the other hand have mentioned that you do "long rooms". You've mentioned taking WGs out of the FKK where they work and taking them as your "date" to a second FKK. Based on your visit frequency and such statements, one might assume that there are several Oase WGs that have earned 4 or maybe even 5 digit sums from you in the last 12 months. At the same time, I get the impression that you are a big-spender but also value-oriented. Perhaps you offer the WG 500 EUR for 8 hours. And will repeat that "deal" multiple times with the WG that is lucky enough to be your "wife" for that trip. As we know the WGs talk and observe, so that enhances your street credibility and affords you some "social proof". This in turn leads you to get good 50 EUR session and 100 EUR sessions when auditioning new WGs even without "negotiating beforehand".
If I am even remotely correct, then your approach is extremely effective for you. You've spent thousands over the years at Oase to build your brand and establish yourself as a "platinum level" customer. The preferential treatment you receive is thus well-deserved. That said we could argue that Turgid is partially correct. Even if you've managed to pay less than 100 EUR per hour, you've run up hefty bills with many WGs. In other words, you are like the customer who books first-class flights regularly and remains loyal to the same airline (Oase). Turgid is like the customer who uses the search engines looking for bargains. Guess who gets better customer service when there are cancelled flights or delays. Guess who gets upgraded or given free flights.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2209619]UH, I believe that Turgid knows how to handle the girls, [/QUOTE]My only point was in response to the blanket statement that one is a fool if one does not negotiate everything upfront.
My point was quite simply that this works great for some people, but others have different approaches that work for them -- but that does not make automatically make all those people "fools. ".
Based on your lengthy response, you seem to be thinking that I am taking issue with Turgid's approach. I am not.
I am not criticizing Turgid or his fantastic abilities with the girls. If Turgid's fine approaches work for him, then great. I am definitely not criticizing his approach.
I know many fellow hobbyists who don't negotiate everything upfront, and their approach seems to be working great for them as well. That is the only point I was endeavoring to make when I replied to Turgid's original email. Different folks, different strokes was my point. That's all.
If I inadvertently offended Mr. Turgid, I hereby offer to buy Mr. Turgid a drink of the non-alcoholic variety the next time we are both at Oase and extend my humble apologies to him.
If a guy has been mongering for a long enough time, he should be able to pick up non verbal cues. Unless he is tone deaf. Not everything can be negotiated, contracted, and properly enforced. If she promises kissing, does the negotiation further stipulate the amount of tongue insertion, the length of time that tongues will twist around each other, and the ounces of saliva exchanged?
Secondly, a huge part of the appeal of this hobby is that not all sessions will be the same; when some sessions turn out to be super hot when you were least expecting them, it is such a pleasant thing to happen. Truly a life of chocolate box. If every session mechanically ticked off every box, it is no more appealing than every single meal one eats being filet mignon.
I think the obsession to avoid "mistakes" by which they mean not so great sessions, is a huge mistake in itself. Instead of truly imbibing the whole sexual milieu, one is constantly worried about avoiding mistakes and not truly appreciative of how good it is to be living this monger life.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2209232]When I meet a girl on first time, I don't want to speak about money or services, desire is not a market for me, but I look at how she looks at me, I listen to what she says and how she talks to me, I look at her hands and nails care, and shoes, to know what kind of girl she is. In room, I don't ask, I don't beg, I behave to make her will to give me, much more enjoyable than saying: I pay, so suck me.
On my last Sharks visit, I noticed a claimed part timer, seen for first time, she smiled to me, we introduced to each other at the bar, close to Stefi, she asked me how long I wanted to go? I answered as always: I like to take my time to enjoy, but it will depend on you, she answered: we have to be both to enjoy, interesting answer from a 32 yo Romanian woman, not a little girl. Let's go, not a model, but classy type. Ln room, after only few foreplay, she told me: but you are making love, for such intimacy, it's not same rate, I answered: I treat you like my GF, but if you want, we can stop and I pay you for the time, she looked at me and said: I don't want we stop, then kept on caressing, then DATY, I think she tried to resist, but she lost control for a deep YamaYama, and then became really passionate, with really deep kissing while fucking..[/QUOTE]Well done I behave the same.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2209680]If a guy has been mongering for a long enough time, he should be able to pick up non verbal cues. Unless he is tone deaf. Not everything can be negotiated, contracted, and properly enforced. If she promises kissing, does the negotiation further stipulate the amount of tongue insertion, the length of time that tongues will twist around each other, and the ounces of saliva exchanged?
Secondly, a huge part of the appeal of this hobby is that not all sessions will be the same; when some sessions turn out to be super hot when you were least expecting them, it is such a pleasant thing to happen. Truly a life of chocolate box. If every session mechanically ticked off every box, it is no more appealing than every single meal one eats being filet mignon.
I think the obsession to avoid "mistakes" by which they mean not so great sessions, is a huge mistake in itself. Instead of truly imbibing the whole sexual milieu, one is constantly worried about avoiding mistakes and not truly appreciative of how good it is to be living this monger life.[/QUOTE]+1.
Very true. I think this is definitely a lesson from the last few days. Not every session is going to be mind-blowing and going in with too high expectations will perhaps make it both harder on the girl and on the customer.
Nevertheless, I think certain guidelines do help not falling into deeper disappointments over and over again. Asking in advance, moving to the next politely if necessary.
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[QUOTE=Kossy;2209274]I am looking to visit an FKK club, like sharks, the first time this week.
Advice from the experienced punters: would you take any precautions for your first visit (HPV / Heptatitis vaccine for example)?[/QUOTE]Use condoms for intercourse and if the girl has tongue or lip piercing, use condom for BJ as well. Some diseases can be transmitted just via cross-contacts without the need of sexual contacts. Cranberry juice / extracts seem to have a slight effect to prevent some bacterial infections, but do not rely on it completely. Play safe and, if you are in a relationship, get tested after your visit.
Rock.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2209680]If a guy has been mongering for a long enough time, he should be able to pick up non verbal cues. Unless he is tone deaf. Not everything can be negotiated, contracted, and properly enforced. If she promises kissing, does the negotiation further stipulate the amount of tongue insertion, the length of time that tongues will twist around each other, and the ounces of saliva exchanged?
Secondly, a huge part of the appeal of this hobby is that not all sessions will be the same; when some sessions turn out to be super hot when you were least expecting them, it is such a pleasant thing to happen. Truly a life of chocolate box. If every session mechanically ticked off every box, it is no more appealing than every single meal one eats being filet mignon.
I think the obsession to avoid "mistakes" by which they mean not so great sessions, is a huge mistake in itself. Instead of truly imbibing the whole sexual milieu, one is constantly worried about avoiding mistakes and not truly appreciative of how good it is to be living this monger life.[/QUOTE]Great post and indeed very true. However I think it highlights again the difference in approach / requirements between those who are fortunate enough to live, or work in Germany and frequent FKKs and those of us who maybe only make it to them 5/6 times a year or less. Take the fillet mignon analogy. If you only eat out once every 3 months you want each of those meals to be amazing. If you eat out 4 times every week I agree that it would be very boring if all the meals were of an incredible standard! Strange to think this means it's good to get a bad meal! Hence when I get chance to visit FKKs (upcoming trip this week), I look forward to it so much that I really want some mignon / great sessions! I don't mind a bad starter, or an entree that doesn't hit every spot. But I do want at least one main course to blow my socks off! If I was able to attend very frequently I suspect I wouldn't be too concerned about trying several courses and being disappointed occasionally.
I think the critical point is management of expectation. If we go expecting great sessions all the time we are bound to be disappointed. Experienced mongers know that you will get some terrible sessions, some very average, some that you know will be good because you know the girl well, and others, as you say, that are a fabulous surprise.
In Austria we would call this "Das Wort zum Sonntag". Just Kissing, I couldn't agree more and recommend to not over think and over organize things even if it is your sole visit per year. I learned that trying to super optimize a trip will have its downsides and disappointments each and every time.
Landed and headed staright to 43 Elbe House, had an average experience for 25€ ,then headed to FKK Shark in the noon. Pretty dull in terms of business and about 30 girls were available, mostly Romanian. Later it did pick up and the number of girls increased, I went with Christina first and asked for an hour service which included everything at 100 €. She was amazing and we did it in the outside pool area. Later got a couple of beers and again tried Bella, a gypsy who was also amazing for the same cost. Thank you guys for writing reviews here, it really reduces the hassle to bargain for every service, the best way is to go for an hour and negotiate for everything in the process, services included Kissing, OWO, Sex and CIM too. As the others said getting good service all the time is just a gamble, maybe I was lucky today!
[QUOTE=MonSooner;2209786]Just Kissing.[/QUOTE]Was supposed to write JUST KIDDING.