[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1865964]Next time try to make clear if you're being sarcastic or perhaps express your criticism in clear terms. It helps.[/QUOTE]Was crystal clear to me from just the title of his post but how did you eventually figure it out?
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[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1865964]Next time try to make clear if you're being sarcastic or perhaps express your criticism in clear terms. It helps.[/QUOTE]Was crystal clear to me from just the title of his post but how did you eventually figure it out?
[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1865909]His posts have always had the credibility of someone who lives here, is active in that scene and has some things going for himself. As for the attitude in his writings please keep in mind he is an American. I learn all the time from the guy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree!
The key difference (vs. These other posters) is that Mr ENT really tries to help. Whether you like what he says, how he says it is a relative issue. But IMO I think sometimes Mr ENT is kinda frustrated that many visitors to Pattaya don't actually ' get' it!
I think it's easy to tell who is trying to help, you versus just wanting to argue, but really not offering others real specific help, whether you like the advice or not...
Take this FWIW. YMMV.
Thai New Year's Day is April 13th every year. The beautiful and ancient Songkran festival, occurring between 13-15 (3 days) in April, originated to celebrate the occasion in keeping with the Buddhist / Hindu solar calendar. The celebration is meant to ritualize several symbolic Thai traditions.
Mornings, for example, begin with merit-making. Visiting local temples offering food to the Buddhist monks and performing water pouring on Buddha statues was commonly practiced. The rituals represented purification; the washing away of sins and bad luck. As a way to show respect, younger people often practiced water pouring over the palms of elders' hands. Paying reverence to ancestors was an important part of the Songkran tradition.
Unfortunately, that was then and this is now. Songkran is now known primarily for its water festival. Major streets are closed for traffic, and used as arenas for water fights during which the participants take pleasure in splashing water on each other. Of course there is nothing at all wrong with that, and the whole three days can be a lot of fun for young people, especially those who desire to take part.
But in Pattaya, the Songkran festival has, for those of us who live here, become totally perverted by gangs of lowlifes, sadists and cretins who have turned what was once a pleasant traditional occasion into a nine days (April 11-19) of Hell in the streets. Today the authorities in Pattaya have essentially given these miscreants a license to assault people with water any time of the day and night anywhere in the metropolitan area. No longer are the water festivities confined to closed off areas to be enjoyed by only those who wish to participate. Now there is nowhere to escape the water fights.
Nothing gives these creeps greater pleasure than encountering innocent victims anywhere on the streets who wish to remain dry and don't want to participate; then soaking them with gallons of dirty water often freezing cold ice water. They cruise the main thoroughfares and side Soi's everywhere on the beds of 100's of pickup trucks with 50 gallon tubs of ice water which they splash on anyone and everyone within their range. So if one doesn't want to get soaking wet anytime of the day or night he must of necessity stay home.
On top of that, police statistics show that the death toll in Thailand from road accidents doubles during Songkran. In the first four days of the festivities this year 259 people have died and 2,378 were injured in road accidents.
In short, Songkran is dangerous to your comfort, wellbeing, health, and safety. I would recommend to anyone planning a trip to Thailand especially Pattaya scrupulously avoid Songkran.
The comments from Myrrh and Socker aren't serious they have made it personal there is really no merit to their posting. I met Mr. E, a number of years ago and although I haven't spoken or run into him directly for over a year I do see him running around town. The times I've seen him I wouldn't consider the women with him to be " Bottom Feeders ". If it wasn't personal then you would see his posting indicates he doesn't believe in paying Barfines at Go-Go's in particular. Just because we don't have his style doesn't mean he is wrong. I think he explain his point pretty cleared to everyone. Just because you don't like what you hear doesn't mean he is wrong. I live here can't do what he does and couldn't when I was his age. Get over it fellas don't let your EGO get the best of you!
[QUOTE=ChristianG;1863917]Rent a motorbike, print a map and do it by yourself. I did sometimes, is a hit and miss but I had some great party around DarkSide. Of course difficult to find a good quality girls but could find some good performer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1863949]This might be useful. I have visited a few and I saw no reason to visit that side of town again. And even if you do find something that floats your boat, good luck in getting her to join you at your hotel, which in all likelihood, will be near beach road. Of course, there are plenty of ST options available in those parts, if that is what you fancy.[/QUOTE]Chris / Blanq thanks for the info but I tend to drink a lot and I don't want to drive LOL.
Pattaya News "1" drunk tourist on motor bike run over by baht bus going to his hotel in central Pattaya.
Can anyone expounder on what a friend told me on his last trip (2015) to Thailand?
He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.
Is this the new way of doing things? Haven't read or seen on the web of this new process which is like the Philippines.
Damage was aproximatly 3 K.
[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1866159]He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.
Is this the new way of doing things? [/QUOTE]No. If so, get another girl and post which bar / club is doing this so we know not to waste time there.
[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1866159]Can anyone expounder on what a friend told me on his last trip (2015) to Thailand?
He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.
Is this the new way of doing things? Haven't read or seen on the web of this new process which is like the Philippines.
Damage was aproximatly 3 K.[/QUOTE]A LT from Baccara, Walking St, cost my friend 5,300 b upfront.
[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1866183]A LT from Baccara, Walking St, cost my friend 5,300 b upfront.[/QUOTE]Ouch! Was she at least a stunner?
Was he happy with the service?
So came to Thailand Ealey morning and ha some rest. Thought of hitting Soi Isx in the afternoon.
As per my research, Songkran in Oattaya was supposed to be held on 19th, but boy I was wrong.
As soon as I steeped out of My walking street Hotel, I got a glimpse of what was going to come. My Baht Bus journey to Sou Six was marred by water being thrown at us by any one who had limbs and had access to water.
What fascinated me was the fact was that though the atmosphere on Soi Six was fantastic, the girls were hardly trying to lure the customers in as is the usual norm. Will it continue in Soi Six till 19th?
Should we expect a drop in number of talent over the coming few days as birds might be flying to home?
Till what time is this water fight continued till? I plan to go to disco often and wouldn't want myself to drenched in water.
Cheers,
J
[QUOTE=LeisureDude;1864805]I just got back from Pattaya, I'm a black guy from the US, I was concerned about this idea as well before my trip. Once I got there I had no problem finding ladies in Pattaya willing to go with me from massage girls calling out "massage" as you pass their shops, to go-go bar girls and beach road ladies as well.[/QUOTE]The guy that posted that is prob a troll. I am black and have been visiting Pattaya for ten years never had any issues and always had a great time.
[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1866183]A LT from Baccara, Walking St, cost my friend 5,300 b upfront.[/QUOTE]Sadly to say this practice has spread. Usually this is done when it's your first time. So to avoid the problem you need to let the girl know up front with all your other little things you will pay her after not before. If she doesn't go for it then it is your choice to make. Where ever it might be you got to do the interview so she doesn't think you are going to burn her which is one of the reason this started? Once the Mamasan gets into the act it is ruined. Let her know before hand and if she agrees just give her the Barfine and she will take care of it. At Bacarra W. S. If you have BF there before they do not ask for upfront. If you are a regular there the Mamasan do not get involved or want to know if the girl is going ST / LT, But now Mamasan wants to know regardless because too many of their girls were giving money to their regular customers to help pay their BF so they can go see their BF etc. So now if they are going ST, depending on the time must come back in 2 or 3 hours and if they do not get another BF can go home at 1-2 am instead of 4 am?
[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1866159]Can anyone expounder on what a friend told me on his last trip (2015) to Thailand?
He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.
Is this the new way of doing things? Haven't read or seen on the web of this new process which is like the Philippines.
Damage was aproximatly 3 K.[/QUOTE]In Nana a friend of mine had an experience like that recently, asked to pay the barfine & lady's fee together upfront. He refused and said he would pay the barfine now and that he would pay the lady later, outside the bar, afterwards, and insisted on that. They agreed.
I checked with my hotel and they too basically said to stay away Tuesday until after 7 pm. Soooo, I figured I might stay in one of those sleep rooms they have at BKK. I can rent there until 5 or 6 pm, rest after s long flight, then take a taxi down. The hotel said they would come get me for a total cost of 1800 TB. I know I will be sleep deprived so this might be reasonable.
A second option that was suggested is to stay in a north Pattaya hotel for the first night. That might be less costly than the airport room. I still want to hit WS Tuesday night, so if I did that I would get a taxi, I guess, ito take me to my original hotel anyway, that evening, so I would only stay for a few hours in north Pattata. A concern would be about traffic from BKK to and Pattaya in the afternoon however.
Anyway, the arrival plans are slowly getting finalized.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1864967]By now I would have thought that it is trite knowledge that price bears no relationship to:
* attractiveness.
* type of services provided.
* quality of services.
The only thing one can be sure of is that the same girl will charge you more for LT than ST, everything else is up in the air and open for negotiations. "Caveat Emptor" as already the Old Romans knew.
The best one can hope for is to know the average prices, set yourself a budget and trust your instincts when negotiating and closing the deal.[/QUOTE]
This needs to be framed and put up on a proverbial wall.
For most products and services, price is correlated with quality. Even if the relationship is not linear (diminishing returns), if you pay more, you almost always get more. This is NOT the case at all with sex workers.
The asking price range depends on the venue type, and theoretically, more expensive venues tend to offer a higher concentration of good lookers. Unfortunately, there is no correlation whatsoever with service levels, in fact the few venues with consistent and solid service standards (like Tulip in Bangkok) tend to be reasonably priced.
Worse yet, high quoted price correlates with (a) the girl's high opinion of her own looks / desirability / status and (b) her audacity to brazenly ask for an amount much higher than the going rate. Neither of those bode well for service quality, though perhaps she might actually have the looks.
For me, quoting a price that's too far (more than +50%) from the going rate is a major red flag, especially since it's obvious I'm not a newbie. What other opportunities to rip me off is she going to take?