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Or maybe sometimes a food also. Only when you think about repeating with her, any gifts should be considered. If chica smart enough, after receiving a gift she will figure out what kind of special service (for each guy this could be different, some will like an anal or unexpected BJ on the beach) she can provide in order to keep gifts coming in the future. If not, stop giving her gifts and try another one.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525707]I have bought electronics for chicas. But they werent chicas I just met, we had established a little something. And the gifts were things I may have bought without them asking for it. I wasnt expecting any special service. But I was doing it because I felt good doing it. Can't lie about that. IMO, nothing wrong with doing for chicas that are already giving you GFE. I just don't like the idea of a chica I just met asking me to buy her things when I can easily guess a dozen other dudes she is probably fucking are also being asked to bring gifts (sometimes the same gift ). To me thats not maintaining GFE with a chica, thats more like being Donald Chump.[/QUOTE]

For me and for some other mongers this is what gives DR completely different feel comparing to German FKKs for example.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525768]Please elaborate? Whats not easy about it? The mechanics is easy. Getting past "our feelings", guilt, habit and routine that's the challenge. All of those things are the attributes / variables that chicas have as an advantage over us. In other words, we give them the power by being in doubt or not in control. I used to have a saying. Haven't used it in a while, but it's fitting here."DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND LET YOUR FEELINGS CATCH UP WITH YOU LATER"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525775]For me and for some other mongers this is what gives DR completely different feel comparing to German FKKs for example.[/QUOTE]Exactly. IMO, declinging gifts / requests you arent destroying the GFE illusion. You are destroying the pretense of something that is not in existence. The illusion hasnt gone anywhere. And when you do that and the person jets or exits stage left, think about it? Do you really want that person? Do you really feel comfortable accepting something that isn't real? If a dude is going to be involved in gifting, why not just give what you are willing to lose? Within reason / your budget? But don't go overboard, because that makes you appear unwise pursuing the GFE illusion. But to give gifts or honor requests to anyone who doesn't appreciate the gesture, makes no sense. If I find myself doing that, I try to nip that in the bud with a quickness.

I guess I still need to learn to part with ungrateful chicas faster, even when she used to be one of my favorite in the past.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525778]Exactly. IMO, declinging gifts / requests you arent destroying the GFE illusion. You are destroying the pretense of something that is not in existence. The illusion hasnt gone anywhere. And when you do that and the person jets or exits stage left, think about it? Do you really want that person? Do you really feel comfortable accepting something that isn't real? If a dude is going to be involved in gifting, why not just give what you are willing to lose? Within reason / your budget? But don't go overboard, because that makes you appear unwise pursuing the GFE illusion. But to give gifts or honor requests to anyone who doesn't appreciate the gesture, makes no sense. If I find myself doing that, I try to nip that in the bud with a quickness.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525719]What you should be amazed at, is you bitching of mongers in the Sosua forum which is designed for MEN to share perspectives and trip reports.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I am not a man! Actually, I have not seen anyone bitching as much as you do.

My perspective is simple even when my graduate degree in not in psychology, nor am I the Dalai Lama: In life you get what you dish out: you get to associate with the kind you apparently dislike and that then has the multiplier effect of self fulfilling prophecy, judging by your prolific advisories with your bias. So, let others ask specific questions like many do and judge by their own experience / bias without clouding their judgment. Besides, do the grown ups (by my count, many are seniors) , need as much saving as you are doing?

I am not a Sosua resident nor do I care much about it or about places like Pattaya or Patpong but here is my request. If you complain so much about Sosua women and men that are leeches, just spend your time outside of it. Scout the world out: may be, just may be, you will grow a new perspective.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1525740]don't wear yourself out too much with using clever comebacks for those types. Because it will be a full time job, and eventually you'll sound like an insincere broken record. It's best to combine good body language skills with simply saying "no gracias". And leave it like that.

On occasion I asked a guy did he respect my friend? He kept asking my friend to look / buy something. My friend kept saying no several times. So when I asked him did he respect my friend, I guess he didn't know where I was going with that question. But he said."Yes I respect him". I said,"well he told you several times "NO" he is not interested, but you keep asking him"."If you respect him, then why do you keep asking and standing there?". Guy absorbed what I said in an instant, said slightly sarcastically,"thank you" and walked off. I guarantee when he sees me again, his time standing in front of me holding his wares will be cut down to 20 seconds or less instead of 2 minutes. But realistically, that might only last a month. He will back to his usual next trip. LOL. I have asked panhandlers the same question about them respecting me. Which usually results in them leaving me alone. But the effectiveness is how and what you communicate in your body language when you are approached.

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Here a mirror for you. Just say no gracias and leave it like that. (For Panhandlers) Don't wear yourself out too much with using clever comebacks for those types eventually you'll sound like an insincere broken record. (I say this jokingly) My comebacks are really aimed at newbies. Its useful for newbies who find themselves in these situations a lot. After remembering my first trip and observing other newbies, No gracias is not very effective for a begging chicas you screwed last night or chicos befriending you using English to sharing a friendly 2 minute conversation just for a setup. They can make you feel obligated for there friendly dealings with you. I know I know Mr. E and Olkool right now you are saying " You don't owe them shit!" but when you are new to a country and young in the game it happens! (or maybe it just was me) I couldn't agree with you more body language is supreme, but that comes with experience in less you are a natural. I don't get to use my comebacks often anymore. My new friend get targeted- I get bypassed. I took me a few trips to get my body language in order. Experience means you are not fucking wildly. Your encounters are more calculated and you can go to bed nights without a hit, headaches, and major problems. Hint hint LOL Have you broken the drought? Please keep the observation coming. I want to hear how your Super Bowl theory pans out!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1525707]I have bought electronics for chicas. But they werent chicas I just met, we had established a little something. And the gifts were things I may have bought without them asking for it. I wasnt expecting any special service. But I was doing it because I felt good doing it. Can't lie about that. IMO, nothing wrong with doing for chicas that are already giving you GFE. I just don't like the idea of a chica I just met asking me to buy her things when I can easily guess a dozen other dudes she is probably fucking are also being asked to bring gifts (sometimes the same gift ). To me thats not maintaining GFE with a chica, thats more like being Donald Chump.

I do have to say this though. Even with the chicas I had GFE with, and bought them things. Their appreciation seems to only be short lived. After a short period they own the gift and it seems they easily detach themselves from the person who gave it to them in the 1st place. The main thing that may bring their attention back to the gifter, is when they want something else. Like a hungry house cat. Once they get what they want (get fed) they go about their business again. So maybe with some chicas the best strategy is to keep them "hungry", and control how much they "eat" (gifts, benefits, money ). Don't put a self feeding bowl in front of them. Make them earn their "meals" every step of the way.[/QUOTE]On the flip side of that, people like you who visit DR frequently may have more time and patience because you know another day will come so you are in no rush to get with any particular chica. You are less anxious than the guy who only travels there once every blue moon or is a first-timer and is at home sex-starved with Betty Boop visions in his eyes. These guys are more likely to be the Donald Chumps. They probably have more money than time and are willing to do what it takes to get the chica they have had their heart set on for so long.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1525554]It is also important to remember that for Sosua chicks and for the professionals, a phone, other than a status symbol, is also a tool for their trade. (in NV, may be those would be tax deductible as well LOL) as Frannie has pointed out in the past.[/QUOTE]Your memory is better than mine, though that sounds like something I might have said.

Chicas like some of the finer things of life, and a smart phone serves as a Facebook connector, music and video player, photograph album, messaging machine and telephone combined, so no wonder they like the larger screen devices.

I think people tend to overthink some of these issues. One of the joys of the DR is that prostitution is completely legal if it is a one-to-one arrangement, whereas in the US it is not. Hence in the US, if you meet women through Craigslist or similar, really it is often pay for play, but both parties go to elaborate lengths to maintain that it is friend-with-benefits, sugar daddy, help-me-with-a-bill, never-done-anything-like-this-before or some similar circumlocution that maintains the convenient legal fiction that it is not prostitution. Not only does this give a figleaf of legal protection if things go wrong, but it also seems more psychologically satisfying on both sides to indulge in a little method acting. In the words of the song: "If that isn't love, it will have to do, Until the real thing comes along."

Now hop over the ocean to the DR and it can be a bit jarring to just want to pay someone a sum for a quickie without any illusions, especially when the real joy of sex with Dominican pros is that if you get it right it can seem just like a fantasy of meeting a cute clean-cut girl (much younger and more attractive than oneself) and having vigorous sex for the relatively short term without making any longer term commitments. This provides a telling antidote to media portrayals of prostitution that usually suggest some hatchet-faced peroxide blonde in a short PVC skirt with nicotine-stained fingers providing sex to make money for her drug addicted pimp by pulling up her skirt against a wall in a back alley strewn with used syringes-or some similar scary scenario.

So I think to make it work requires an element of play acting on both sides. Really it is just good manners for them to pretend they find you incredibly sexy and you to pretend you find them adorable and loveable. Nobody actually believes it, and having met tempoecorto a number of times, I can reassure anyone who thinks that he is some kind of "Captain Save-A-Hoe" that he is as addicted to mongering as anyone on this board and has many years of experience in several countries and thousands of hours of certified pelvic thrusting to prove it.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525750]Some may recall a story I shared here of a chica I fucked one morning, and the next day she texted me to tell me she was in PP and needed me to bring 2000 pesos to pay for a clinic bill. Ignored her request. Then she started blowing up my phone. I ignored her calls. The next day I bust her in Sosua when she passes by Rocky's. Chica feels she needs to think quick, so she immediately holds out her arm and shows me a mark that was probably there since she was a little girl. But I was supposed to believe that was what she needed the 2000 pesos for. Now I see her almost everyday, and all we do is acknowledge each other and exchange "I know what you did last trip" looks. LOL[/QUOTE]I love it when I see a chica who tried to run game, was a terrible laid, or a very high price again on my next visits. I give them the "you know not to even think about fucking with my group look!" We give them nicknames. Miss 5000 peso, Miss Leche Papi Leche, Miss NMD (need more dinero) , Miss Lay There, etc. I notice chicas love to be acknowledged on the strip. When I see them we black ball the whole group they are in. Of course we don't openly tease. If a chica comes over to someone in our group after seen hanging with a chica on the blackball list I step in "es tu amiga alli". I give my friend the look and he cuts the conversation short respectfully."fue agradable conocerte" I know some many chicas wish they can turn back the hands of time. Miss 5000 has been telling me she will only charge me 1500. She gave my friend that 5000 bid once they got in his room back in June after he bought drinks and food for her and her amigas.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1525820]She gave my friend that 5000 bid once they got in his room back in June after he bought drinks and food for her and her amigas.[/QUOTE]No good deed ever goes unpunished!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1525817]Your memory is better than mine, though that sounds like something I might have said.[/QUOTE]Can't complain about my memory so far! Yes, we usually have discussion going in cycles. Cell phone / gifts are one such item, the other is the ho-non ho, mental masturbation. Your comment was in one such past cycle.

We all make mistakes in our hobby: If you remember Kathy (Jee, she brought her passport to the club when she, me and the second woman went dancing and then gave it to me to safeguard it inside the dance hall and I was saddled with the responsibility and the fear that I might lose it): thanks to her, I met another woman the first trip at the Italian disco, whatever its name was. The second trip to Sosua, I met the second woman again and when with her, bumped into Kathy and in front of her, asked for Kathy's phone number. I wish I had been a little more subtle, stupid me, but whoa, hell hath no greater fury than a woman who sees her meal ticket usurped and I incorrectly, thought the two women were part of the same fraternity / collective bargaining group. LOL. I dropped the woman that night onwards and of course, have not been back to Sosua until Sept 2013, I must admit, for the food!

Sosua, for you who have lived there is a no-brainer (especially compared to the US experience as you describe) but to an idiot like me, who goes to the DR on short trips cannot be a big challenge either: You got to think with your brain and not with the lower appendage, not stay drunk or smoked out, be able to identify the pros (women who speak English are almost always pros) from the weekend warriors, look for the singles rather than women in group, be vigilant but treat the women with a modicum of respect even if you think they are "hos" and most importantly know that you who controls the purse strings, are the boss. How difficult can this be in a place where for one male, there are ten or more females? There are still plenty of guys who keep going back to Sosua and have few or no horror stories that I read of here. Ask Tom Jackin!

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525782]I guess I still need to learn to part with ungrateful chicas faster, even when she used to be one of my favorite in the past.[/QUOTE]We all have our favorites. And yes it may be a little difficult to part with someone that we are comfortable with. When one decides to cut a chica loose that's entirely a personal issue. At the very least a dude can still deal with an ungrateful chica but just make the arrangement strictly p4p and stop the other shit. Or better yet, just put them on operation phase out until they are nothing more than a memory.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525815]On the flip side of that, people like you who visit DR frequently may have more time and patience because you know another day will come so you are in no rush to get with any particular chica. You are less anxious than the guy who only travels there once every blue moon or is a first-timer and is at home sex-starved with Betty Boop visions in his eyes. These guys are more likely to be the Donald Chumps. They probably have more money than time and are willing to do what it takes to get the chica they have had their heart set on for so long.[/QUOTE]Sad but true bro. And I can relate, as I reflect on how things used to be for me when I Ist started coming.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1525817]having met tempoecorto a number of times, I can reassure anyone who thinks that he is some kind of "Captain Save-A-Hoe" that he is as addicted to mongering as anyone on this board and has many years of experience in several countries and thousands of hours of certified pelvic thrusting to prove it.[/QUOTE]Since that reference was initiated by me. Let me clarify something. Nobody is assuming Tempoecorto IS that. My comments were strictly meant to illustrate how some of his comments represents that CSAH mentality on these boards, towards mongers in this forum.

He underscores SOME mongers discourse here as bitching or whining, but will explain in detail and empathize what chicas may be going through or what they have to deal with. One other poster is good for that. Like when some of us were discussing issues with panhandlers, shoeshine boys and scamming chicas. I recall when I gave a report on my stay at hotel, and this dude wasnt trying to understand where I was coming from, he had already made a judgement of me just because I talked about experiencing cockroaches in my hotel, and I talked about my experience with a few chicas.

Meanwhile let the issue turn towards chicas negative behavior, and you'll see commentary offering an understanding or an explanation justifying their behavior. He just did it. I tend to notice shit like that. Now he's your friend / aquaintance, and the way life works you arent going to give two shits about that. You aint going to see it or acknowledge it. Thats because where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. I don't have a problem with that. I expect that. Somebody can probably say the same thing for any one of us."Oh that WRX is a stand up guy, you just don't know him". The point is, I'm only addressing the words that are expressed. Not anyones character overall.

What I brought out is a significant difference than what you are talking about. Nobody is assuming how he is in real life.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1525864]We all make mistakes in our hobby: If you remember Kathy (Jee, she brought her passport to the club when she, me and the second woman went dancing and then gave it to me to safeguard it inside the dance hall and I was saddled with the responsibility and the fear that I might lose it): thanks to her, I met another woman the first trip at the Italian disco, whatever its name was. The second trip to Sosua, I met the second woman again and when with her, bumped into Kathy and in front of her, asked for Kathy's phone number. I wish I had been a little more subtle, stupid me, but whoa, hell hath no greater fury than a woman who sees her meal ticket usurped and I incorrectly, thought the two women were part of the same fraternity / collective bargaining group. LOL. I dropped the woman that night onwards and of course, have not been back to Sosua until Sept 2013, I must admit, for the food![/QUOTE]Yes, I remember Kathy and she me. Last time I saw her I did not recognize her as she had a totally different hair style and color, but she flagged me in the street. Nice girl, very unassuming, but no great screw either. Of her two friends I poked one again not so long ago, and the last I heard of the younger one of the trio of room mates was that she was getting married and going overseas.