Something old and something new...
Just back from a 4 day trip to Germany in which I managed to arrange all of my business meetings in NRW for the mornings to free up afternoons and evenings for mongering.
My plan: 1 club on Monday evening and then 2 clubs per day, Tues-Thurs, until my flight back to the U.S. on Fri. morning, mixing up some old and some new to get a fair indication of the state of mongering in Germany.
Of course, my selections reveal my preferences, but I also added 2 clubs that were new for me.
Tues: Cocoon, Beverly
Weds: Steffi's Waldsauna (previously Calligula), Bernd's
Thurs: Living Room, Oase
I had also planned to visit Dorsten or PT Colonia in Cologne but due to a late minute scheduling change arrived in NRW too late to make the drive to Dorsten and after I also had to make an unscheduled donation to the autobahn polizei for being too eager to get to pussy, I had to cut back on my PT plans.
Anyone following my posts knows that my favorite FKK clubs are Bernd's and Oase, and I have a special affinity for Beverly, and nothing on this trip has changed those feelings.
I went to Cocoon, because I haven't been in almost a year and it's a good place to spend the afternoon before a Beverly visit as it's about a 15 minute drive from Wuppertal to Burg. Steffi's, which I have never visited before made the list after a fellow monger told me at Bernd's that he had been there recently and was amazed by the selection of available women. Plus, it's really convenient to stop there on the way to Bernd's as it is only 5 minutes away.
Finally, I went to Living Room to check it out for my own database and for ISG's.
It may take a few days (there are alot of football games these next couple of days) but I'll post my Cocoon, LR and Steffi's reports on the Other FKK thread, and the Bernd's, Oase and Beverly posts in their appropriate threads.
Some general observations:
* In four out of the 6 clubs that I visited, I met mongers who have been reading our posts here, and have said that they learned from them and were affected by them. This community has become large but it would be good if many of those who read these posts of ours, and finally take the plunge, would also report and share with us their accumulated info. Don't be afraid to post- we were all newcomers here at one point. Additional posts add to the accuracy of the information here and help other to get over their shyness.
* There are just so many clubs and other options in Germany to engage in this hobby. There are clubs and activities for all tastes and preferences, and such a variety of venues and services offered that it's very difficult to pick just one or even a couple of clubs. Every one has to go with their own prior knowledge of what they've liked in the past, recommendations from people they trust, and some educated thrusts into new areas. It's an adventure and should feel like it.
* Unless you are regular at one of the clubs, and I assume that most of us on this board aren't as we live in other countries or continents, it is difficult to guarantee with any certainty a level or type of service, the extent of the comfort level in a club you will feel in a club on a particular visit or whether a particular visit on a given day will yield a positive experience. You can cut down on the variables that affect these by doing your HW, going to a club that offers the service level that you want or that you have previously felt comfortable in, by refining your methodology for picking the right SP for you, and by being flexible and going with the flow.
* We can argue on this board about whether a smaller club or larger club is better, NRW vs. Hessen, World vs. Oase, PT vs. FKK. While providing an interesting intellectual outlet for discussion, the argument is moot. There is no "best" club as an objective determination. Each of us have our own subjective criteria by which we judge and these are fallible and inexact and unscientific with our notoriously unreliable hormones playing an intrinsic part in our determination.
* I had great experiences in Beverly, Bernd's and Oase, a decent but not spectacular experience in Living Room, and a mediocre experience in Cocoon and Steffi's. It is not easier to manage a smaller club with 15-20 women than a larger club with 50-60. It's just different.
* Yes, you can find 15- 20 good SP in Oase or World, and you may be able to really hook with a girl and have the ultimate GF experience in Oase or World. The additional 30 -40 SP lower your odds of getting it. I like the odds at Bernd's better, and I don't agree with the Euro 100' s assertion that there are only 3 attractive women at Bernd's.
*Again, you can cut the chances of disapointment by doing your HW, and refining your method of choosing. If you go up to a girl with whom you have never spoken and have no rapport, and say let's go f*ck, that's exactly what she's going to do to you and don't expect a GFE out of it. At Oase on Thurs. night the place was packed, with no room to sit, there was no couch action at all and the girls were taking advantage of the guys' desperation, by doing quick sessions and turning over as much clientele as quickly as possible. With all of the women that I went with that night, I asked for time to talk to first, initiated couch action, and let them know, that if we worked out, it would be a long session only. Those who wanted to go to the zimmer within 3 minutes, were sent off to seek their fortunes and 50 Euro elsewhere.
Njoy.
Well thought-out observations, Iseeu!
[QUOTE=Iseeu]* Yes, you can find 15- 20 good SP in Oase or World, and you may be able to really hook with a girl and have the ultimate GF experience in Oase or World. The additional 30 -40 SP lower your odds of getting it. I like the odds at Bernd's better, and I don't agree with the Euro 100' s assertion that there are only 3 attractive women at Bernd's.
*Again, you can cut the chances of disapointment by doing your HW, and refining your method of choosing. If you go up to a girl with whom you have never spoken and have no rapport, and say let's go f*ck, that's exactly what she's going to do to you and don't expect a GFE out of it. At Oase on Thurs. night the place was packed, with no room to sit, there was no couch action at all and the girls were taking advantage of the guys' desperation, by doing quick sessions and turning over as much clientele as quickly as possible. With all of the women that I went with that night, I asked for time to talk to first, initiated couch action, and let them know, that if we worked out, it would be a long session only. Those who wanted to go to the zimmer within 3 minutes, were sent off to seek their fortunes and 50 Euro elsewhere.
Njoy.[/QUOTE]
On point number one, I agree wholeheartedly. There is too much filler at the larger clubs and they don't improve the odds of finding a good experience but rather reduce the chances.
I am referring to the numerous women who rate in the 5 and 6 range who are there because the club would look empty without them. A club may have 50 to 60 women but there just aren't enough 8s and 9s to go around. Management does not perform an edit and has to accept whoever will work there.
Setting aside Bernds, my next best example of a good edited selection is Wildenrath (at least as it was before they did the remodel). Small club with 15 or so girls but each one providing good services and a nice diverse selection of blondes, brunettes. A little of everything for everyone. A club where you can let your guard down and pick your Lebensabschnittgefaehrtin blindfolded and not have to worry about a) being ripped off, b) being offered substandard services.
As I've written before: don't jump at the first woman you find attractive. Listen and observe. And if you can, have a conversation first to see if there is any chemistry. From reading other posts here I am probably more communication-oriented than the average poster.
If I can't understand her and she can't understand me, her chances of delivering a "lustlos" experience are higher than if we have something to talk about, she has an interesting personality and a sense of humor.
I take notes of my sessions for when I write my reports and when I go over my earlier experiences, some of them were nothing more than "assisted masturbation" because I wasn't so much focused on our interaction.
Penetrating a lifeless lump of flesh is, for all intents and purposes, "assisted masturbation". When the interaction is more of a dialogue and she actively participates, then it becomes more like real sex.
You go down on her, she really gets into it and thrusts her pussy into your face as she comes. You penetrate her and she doesn't go into a fake moaning mode but really moves with you. And all this while she is telling you what pleases her and she is actually pleased she is stimulating you so much.
To some folks a GFE consists of a string of abbreviations: DATY, BBBJTC, etc..
I'm more into the previously suggested abbreviation: OOBA "Out Of Bedroom Activity". Sure the stuff she does in the room matters but its the extended pre-coital and post-coital stuff which distinguishes the good providers from the mind-blowing kind.
But in the end each one has to decide for himself and as I've written several times, the fact that some folks think the Hessen 3 is the cat's meow is just terrific. And if some folks are really content with "assisted masturbation", that is just great too.
We'll miss each other by about a week...
[QUOTE=Sesameking]I'll be reaching on the 14th feb , as soon as i get past the immigration i should be heading straight for BN without wasting a min so if u r there the same day would be nice to toss up for her , damn wouldn't the girl get flattered seein men tossin up to go with her ..hehe[/QUOTE]
Hey SK,
Timing is everything! Too bad...
Make sure you leave some for me!
Yes, reports aren't great..
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Reports and friends say it is not worth the money. For 130 EUR you can fuck as often as you want to, but only once with each girl. Selection didn't match the homepage.
Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]
.. but there is only a limited selection of such clubs in that part of the country.
Its not anything like the "F all you want" PTs further north.
