Jakarta

Seriously? I have to explain this? My post was so outrageous and still people can not figure it out.

Grab is an international company. Western women would be suing on behalf of the Indonesian women if this were true. Grab has an image to uphold and a thing such as Grab Feel would hit the news and woman and some guys would boycott the company in this and many other countries. That is bad business.

How many women do you think work as taxi, Grab, GoJek drivers? Last I read it was 5-7%. Let's just say the total is 10,000 Grab drivers in Jakarta so 700 are women. You think every one of them would allow you you to grab their breasts? No? Let's be optimist and say half 350 which is 3.5% in a city of 10 million people. Not likely you will find one.

It does not exist in Colombia where prostitution is legal. It does not exist in Thailand which is ground zero for sex tourists and even women know this in western countries because it is in many movies. Philippines is a well known country for bar girls being rented out. But so many of you fools think that a Muslim country is the one that has such a thing? Common sense never kicks in? WTF!

Drop the Grab Feel BS guys.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2967686]Seriously? I have to explain this? My post was so outrageous and still people can not figure it out.
[/QUOTE]Dude, there are people here asking, in all seriousness, if it's ok to ask the women, who come in to clean the bathrooms at shopping malls in thailand, for a blowjob, and how they should ask it because they can't speak Thai.

Grab a Feel would seem like a perfectly reasonable idea to these people, as we have now all witnessed here several times, each one more funny than the next.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2967686]Seriously? I have to explain this? My post was so outrageous and still people can not figure it out.

Grab is an international company. Western women would be suing on behalf of the Indonesian women if this were true. Grab has an image to uphold and a thing such as Grab Feel would hit the news and woman and some guys would boycott the company in this and many other countries. That is bad business.

How many women do you think work as taxi, Grab, GoJek drivers? Last I read it was 5-7%. Let's just say the total is 10,000 Grab drivers in Jakarta so 700 are women. You think every one of them would allow you you to grab their breasts? No? Let's be optimist and say half 350 which is 3.5% in a city of 10 million people. Not likely you will find one.

It does not exist in Colombia where prostitution is legal. It does not exist in Thailand which is ground zero for sex tourists and even women know this in western countries because it is in many movies. Philippines is a well known country for bar girls being rented out. But so many of you fools think that a Muslim country is the one that has such a thing? Common sense never kicks in? WTF!

Drop the Grab Feel BS guys.[/QUOTE]I thought your post was hilarious, and nobody in his right mind would take it seriously. The Choo Choo Caboose from the airport to the Ritz Carlton, which runs past a kilometer of lusty women competing to sell themselves for 100,000 rupiah?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the credit for the legend of Grab Feel goes to Offshore Swell.

Anyone who tried to feel up a Grab driver would most likely be banned from the service and might just spend some time with the police.

Thursday was one of my lasts night in Jakarta. In the afternoon I had gone to Classic
in the afternoon, and had the somewhat better than feared threesome I've
posted about already. In the evening, around 9pm I went over to Emporivum
after gym. Had a chat with David, the gay papasan, and he introduced the
girls working there. When I sat down there were three girls on the 1.4M
side, and 12-15 on the 1.2M side. Last two times I went to Emporivum,
in August, I didn't really see much difference between the two sides,
though the girl I did happen to choose both times (it was the same girl,
just because the second time I did not see anyone else I thought were
all that attractive was on the 1.4M side. This time I could however
see there was some difference.

David asked them to come up to us sitting on the sofa and say hello, or
possibly their name, so I could get a better look, and shake their hands.
After a few seconds I indicated to David he could send them back and I
will sit and look a bit before deciding. None of them immediately jumped
to me as being markedly more attractive than the other, but I thought
either number one or number two, in the order they were sitting, would
be the lucky girl this night, with me after looking some more starting
to lean towards #1.

I asked David to tell me some about her. He said she had not worked
there so long yet, but service was good. He recommended #1. I continued
sitting there for a bit more, and had also ordered a cup of tea earlier
while sitting down with Dave (around 70,000 I think I had to pay for it
when doing the bill later on). While sitting a fourth girl suddenly
appeared on the 1.4M side, and David said I should def. choose her.
He said all comments he'd gotten for her were very good, and I should
choose her. Look-wise she was about the same as #1 too me on the
attractiveness scale, and David asked if I wanted her to come forward,
which I said yes thanks to. She came forward and we chatted a bit.

I got a feeling that she was a bit too mercurial to my taste, or rather,
acting a bit, but it was not overly pronounced. I pondered for a few
moments, but thought as usually I don't put all that much weight given
by papasans/mamasans and usually go with my gut feeling, I'll take a
gamble and follow David's recommendation this time. David had in the
meantime moved away to anouther couch to make the same introductions
to a, possibly Korean, gentleman.

We then relaxed for 20-25 minutes in the pool. A thing thing I like
about this place is that the optional half hour you can choose to spend
in the pool is not subtracted from the 90 minutes you have with the girl
in the room. In the pool I wanted to test the waters (pun intended) a
bit with regards to whether condom would be required or not, by slipping
my dick inside her pussy while we were in the pool. There were other
people in the pool, but we could do it discreetly enough. I moved her a
bit up and down on my dick, but with my shorts and her bikini, it was a
bit painful as expected. Anyway, the point was just to test the waters,
and after a couple of minutes I pulled out due to it being uncomfortable
from the fabric.

By now I know she had the experienced hooker act well internalised.
The girl from August had only worked there a short time (one month I
think), and still had the non-theatrical softness and honesty I prefer,
even if she does not tell me how handsome I am every 5 minute.

In the room she took a shower, then wanted to cuddle a bit, which felt
more like an effort to waste time rather than affection, but I was not
so interested in that and politely pushed her head down to my dick. She
sucked my dick for a while, before I pulled her on top of me. She said
"condom now?", but I just muttered don't want, and started to enter her.
Fucked her for a while in various positions, before cumming in missionary.

Both the rooms and the showers here are of course much better than
classic, and there's a nice mirrorwall right next to the bed where I
enjoyed seeing the pretty 20 year old girl I was fucking.

After finishing I laid down on the bed again while she took a shower,
before coming to join me. The price her is for one shot, and she
expected us to be done I could sense, and just cuddle or something
the rest of the time. After stretching this out for about half an
hour I led her hand to my dick, which seemed to surprise her a bit.
Then pushed her down towards my dick.

After she got me hard again, I, again, somewhat to her surprise or
perhaps mild objections, started to fuck her. I had brought with me some
one-use packs of K-Y, and thought if I had the power for two sessions,
I'd try anal on the second one. Since I had already finished twice with
the threesome girls 4-5 hours before, I was not sure however (old age
creeping up on me). After moving her to doggy-style I put KY on my
fingers and started gently inserting one in her ass.

She protested a little bit, but not much. Eventually my whole thumb was
inside and gently going in and out while I was fucking her pussy with
my dick. I then lay her down on her back, fucked her a bit more with my
dick, and then tried to insert my dick in her ass. Some more objections,
but again, not much. I was however having some erectile difficulties,
and could only partially enter her ass due to the angle and my no longer
very hard dick. Flipped her back to doggy and tried to enter that way,
but dick was getting softer and softer. Entered pussy instead in an
effort to wake junior up, but shortly thereafter had to admit defeat,
somewhat to her relief it felt like.

Girl then pointed me to the shower, indicating I should clean my dirty
hand. Showered, and then she, and then I think somebody rang to say
time was up. Tipped her 500,000, a bit too much I guess, but she did
let me try anal, did let me have a second go, and it was not her fault
I could not finish it.

Anyway, girl was fine and service minded and I'm sure most guys will like
her and will have a good time if the follow David's recommendation and
go with her. It's probably just me who prefers girls a bit more new to
the biz. No doubt she is good looking too.

Asked local guy who drives grab.

He Doesn't know about this.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2967535]Its like the secret menu at In and Out. You need to unlock it with the right code words.[/QUOTE]

Next day, Friday, I went to again Classic shortly after 3pm, where I as
mentioned fucked a very nice 18 year old girl in Chacha's herd.

She was new to the game and had very, very, little interest in sex
without condom, but could suck dick well (though not deep), and I gave
her a bit of a hard time by having her suck my dick for a rather long
time, rather than fucking her with a condom. She was so pretty I had a hard
time not coming after a few minutes, but I maintained self-control.

After a very long amount of foreplay (cuddling, grinding, kissing softly,
basically everything except going down on her), she finally become
aroused enough to let me enter her pussy without condom, and I tipped
her an extra 100,000 on top of the usual 100,000 I tip for good service.

For the long bj and for doing something she does not normally yet do.
In a few months however I suspect she will be more like the other
girls here in relation to condoms. Had it not been my last day here,
I'd probably would have liked to repeat with her in a couple of days.

Her personality was pleasant and not ho'ish, and body and face was the
best I've seen at Classic. Our tastes vary of course, but given the
choice of her and the girl I paid 2M for yesterday (including the 500,000)
tip, I'd choose this girl in a lineup.

After banging her I walked back to hotel and gym, and pondered a bit about
what I would do after gym and dinner. Emporivum again? I did not want
to go back to Classic T2 again the same day, for some reason, and then
I remembered people here saying T5 was open again, so that was it then.

Ate another great value for money steak at the nearby Holy Cow
restaurant recommended by Banana Boi here (less than 300,000 for 400g
of good quality sirloin), then walked up to classic T5. First time for
me here. Sat down in front of the stage, where I thought I could see
all the girls. Unlike T2, you don't have to move around half a dozen
locations and interact with half a dozen very annoying mamasans, as all
mamasans here handle all the girls. You just have to signal for one,
and then point out the girl(s) you want to look at.

I had a hard time seeing anyone I liked however. Finally saw somebody
I thought looked interesting, but by the time I managed to flag a
mamasan down, some asian guy with some other mamasan had choosen her.
Tried to find another girl without luck, and wondered whether I should
go down to T2 again after all, when I finally spotted a girl I thought
was attractive enough. Sadly she spoke less english than anyone I've
met her, so it's the first time I had to use google translate to even
get across the most basic of questions, but managed to get some rapport
anyway, so said I'd like to go with her.

Went down to the room, in the process walking past what I now realized was
the other half of the stage, having an equal number of other girls I had
not seen before.

While stripping down in the room down I saw I had some messages on my
phone, including one from a 19 yo tinder girl I mentioned here before
I think, but who'd I'd given up on meeting after I had to ignore her
three times (because I had not yet actually arrived in Jakarta yet),
and then she flaked on me once or twice.

After she did that I muted any notifcations from her. I'd still see
her messages if I opened whatsapp to read other messages, but I'd not
get distracted while working or doing other things by her notifications.

Basically I had put her in the "waste of time" category; a girl who is
not sure if she really wants to meet or not and did not want to
get distracted by her nonsense.

I had not had any contact with her for 3-4 days and had forgotten about
her, but now saw she had messaged me some hours ago while I was eating
at Holy Cow. I had not seen her whatsapp message since I had muted her,
but when I opened my phone to read chef-girls message I saw 19 yo's
message also. 19 yo was asking if I wanted to meet her now. "If not,
it's ok".

As I was standing there naked in the room with the T5 girl I pondered
this for a second, but figured I had nothing to loose by inviting her
over again, even if she would just flake on me again. Thus I replied
to 19 yo that yes, she could come over if she wanted.

Then showered with T5 girl, and onto the bed, with some more than usual
insistence on condom on her part. After 10 minutes of grinding and
finger foreplay (I'm not interested in going down on any p4p girl, or
regular girls either unlike I like them enough to be wanting to see them
semi-regularly), she was however horny enough to let me slip my dick in.
She was enjoying me fucking her quite a bit I could see, and is probably
one of the hornier girls I've fucked at Classic I think.

After I finished in her I got the usual surprise, and she got the usual
vasectomy spiel from me, and then she surprisingly enough seemed to
genuinely want to cuddle until time was up. I had during the process
realised she was a genuinely sweet girl who perhaps even liked me a
bit, so even though all communication had to be via google translate,
I had a pleasant enough time just relaxing with her head on my chest
after finishing.

In between her sucking my dick and me fucking her I had however been
intermittently corresponding with 19 yo girl, saying if she'd come
in an hour, that would be good, as I was my way back from dinner now
(via a detour to Classic which I did not find it particularly relevant
to mention). I didn't really expect her to show up, but I had offered
to book grab for her, and she had sent me the address, asking me to tell
her before booking, so after relaxing with T5 girl for some 10 minutes,
I indicated it was time to shower, showered, and hastily paid and got out,
as cell reception up in T5 was too poor to figure out what I needed to
do on grab in order to book the trip for 19 yo.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2967952] She protested a little bit, but not much. Eventually my whole thumb was inside and gently going in and out while I was fucking her pussy with my dick. I then lay her down on her back, fucked her a bit more with my
dick, and then tried to insert my dick in her ass. Some more objections,
but again, not much. I was however having some erectile difficulties,
and could only partially enter her ass due to the angle and my no longer
very hard dick. Flipped her back to doggy and tried to enter that way,
but dick was getting softer and softer. Entered pussy instead in an
effort to wake junior up, but shortly thereafter had to admit defeat,
somewhat to her relief it felt like.[/QUOTE]Could you describe the girl, wondering what a 1. 4 mil anal girl could possibly look like. Slender? Chubby? Hour glass figure? Big shoulders? No waistline? White pale skin? Dark brown skin? Flat breasts? Saggy breasts? Baby damage?

A bit of wishful thinking there gaijin. Pretty universally, most women prefer men from their own cultures. But more than that, women prefer non broke guys. Being a white guy in Indonesia automatically puts you in the non broke category. Congratulations. Given the choice and equal income levels. Most indos are going to prefer other indos. Of course you're going to get the occasional outlier.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2967045]Sorry, what are you referring to as a Vanilla dating app?


I think women, SE Asian and otherwise, prefer guys who dress nice, make an attempt to look nice, and are friendly and fun to be with. That matters more than whether the man is white or not, but sure, generally speaking I think SE Asian women prefer white guys.[/QUOTE]

Was back in Jakarta for 4 days, loved it and already missing it. On a busy business trip, no time to setup new SBs nor say Hi to Mr Dave. Got my fav SB from last time to stay with me for 4 days instead, 3 hrs from me landing my cock was inside her mouth! The SB investment from last trip reaps rewards. Didn't realise this city had such high end dining places either. I stayed more south this time, SCBD area with nice upscale apartment, great seafood restaurants, nice bars, enjoyed each one very well with my SB date. Work Dine Fuck Repeat. SCBD area is modern and very different from my previous stay at Movenpick area. Took her shopping as well, just some clothes and exploring nice malls. Introduced some kinks this time to her; BDSM and brought my toys as she wanted to explore that world, so a successful sub in the making.

Meeting her up in Bali next month for a week, this one is a keeper and fulfils all my needs.

I note some comments, arguments etc on the sugar scene here and lots of DMs. I can't answer all your questions chaps, plenty of information about the sugar dating scene on the internet, reddit forums and some paid forums. Suggest you start there. This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating. Educate yourself, I'm posting so other seasoned SDs around the world know there is a target rich scene here and can invest for rewards. Much better than Europe and Dubai IMO.

Virtūs et Honos my fellow SDs! Let the haters hate.

RDK out.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2967627]Hey, you can do what works best for you of course. My point is they are different. And the SA girls all enjoyed the sex (and the date) just like I did. With the right SA girl, they are not doing a "job". Its really a different experience. Its fine if you don't want to try it but its not at all the same thing as Classic any more than McDonalds is the same as Ruths Chris. Both may be beef and both leave you full at the end but the experience is totally different. I'm not against Classic, its a great place for what it is. But there is more (and IMHO better) things in Jakarta than that. That's all I was trying to say.[/QUOTE]I'm scheduling to fly more regularly here as opposed to European cities now where I usually do my SB trade. Also thinking of some other university rich SE Asia cities, initial research suggests very good target rich environment, reminds me of the good old days.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2967598]Ok, thanks for the explanation. My preference, or interest, is, at least so far in life, quite different from yours then.

I expected SA girls to be more educated and english speaking than girls at Classic, but I don't really care if the girl I paid to bang is a doctor or girl that left school after high school and is now 'ho-ing full-time (sans the presumed increased risk of STDs). She's still just a 'ho that I'm paying to bang and pretend she likes me.

"Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students" . Those things would only start to matter to me if it was some type of ongoing relationship, where it's nice if you can enjoy other things together too. E. g. Chef girl who I met here this time, and is the only girl who I've seen more than once during my two trips to Jakarta, I enjoy spending time with. But since I'm not interested in that with neither SA, nor Classic girls, nor anyone else I'm paying, it naturally does not matter much to me if she's a an engineer or high school drop-out.[/QUOTE]LOL agree mate, you are definitely not meant to be for the SugarDating scene!

For me the sex is just not enough anymore, I want much more these days hence my preference for SugarDating. I trade my time, explore kinks with like minded multiple SBs instead of purely a financial transaction based deal. I could never go back to the purely transactional nature of hookers / escorts anymore.

[QUOTE=Rajdasking;2968018]This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating.[/QUOTE]LOL! Just keep telling yourself that.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2967979]Could you describe the girl, wondering what a 1. 4 mil anal girl could possibly look like. Slender? Chubby? Hour glass figure? Big shoulders? No waistline? White pale skin? Dark brown skin? Flat breasts? Saggy breasts? Baby damage?[/QUOTE]Slender, had waist, firm boobs, white skin, no baby, and some ass. I doubt anyone with baby works at Emporivum, unless they've managed to take so good care of themselves that it's impossible to see.

[QUOTE=Rajdasking;2968018]Was back in Jakarta for 4 days, loved it and already missing it. On a busy business trip, no time to setup new SBs nor say Hi to Mr Dave. Got my fav SB from last time to stay with me for 4 days instead, 3 hrs from me landing my cock was inside her mouth! The SB investment from last trip reaps rewards. Didn't realise this city had such high end dining places either. I stayed more south this time, SCBD area with nice upscale apartment, great seafood restaurants, nice bars, enjoyed each one very well with my SB date. Work Dine Fuck Repeat. SCBD area is modern and very different from my previous stay at Movenpick area. Took her shopping as well, just some clothes and exploring nice malls. Introduced some kinks this time to her; BDSM and brought my toys as she wanted to explore that world, so a successful sub in the making.

Meeting her up in Bali next month for a week, this one is a keeper and fulfils all my needs.

I note some comments, arguments etc on the sugar scene here and lots of DMs. I can't answer all your questions chaps, plenty of information about the sugar dating scene on the internet, reddit forums and some paid forums. Suggest you start there. This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating. Educate yourself, I'm posting so other seasoned SDs around the world know there is a target rich scene here and can invest for rewards. Much better than Europe and Dubai IMO.

Virtūs et Honos my fellow SDs! Let the haters hate.

RDK out.[/QUOTE]Welcome to real Jakarta! My first visit was confined to the North Jakarta Ghettos where I discovered Classic and thought it was amazing (and is for what it is). Next trip I tried higher end places like Emporium and could see how they were a so much more relaxed experience and well worth the premium. Last two trips its been mostly SB (last time I didn't go to Classic at all and Emporium just once) and had amazing SB experiences, with kinky BDSM and nice dates with smart, educated and good looking women. Its like SA used to be in the US 10-15 years ago. There are members on here who will never see the value, but if you have the resources and a bit of personality, there is far better things in Jakarta.

I also found amazing high end dining that will run over 1 m for two but world class quality in SCBD. Next trip I'm going to stay south of the monument closer to the nicer parts of the SCBD and focus on the Sugar dating and non pros. Like you, the soul less commercial fuck is not good enough anymore. I can only fuck about 2 x per day anyway so the rest of the experience is more important.

However, if $9/ night hotel is your style and Joni Steak is your idea of good food then this is definitely not for you.

I thought I made it pretty clear. It quite possibly may be true they preferred you a "rich" foreigner that happened to be white. But given all else being equal, they would choose someone from their own culture. It just makes sense. There is a stigma associated with being with a foreigner which most normal women prefer to avoid. I've spent plenty of time in asia. I've had my fair share of asian GF. No need to dick measure.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968043]Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.[/QUOTE]