Jakarta

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968257]What I said was pretty clear and I stand by what I said.[/QUOTE]So do I. You're experience was not my experience. People have different experiences. Nothing new. My anecdotes have just as much validity as yours. Asians really do prefer to date asians. Just as blacks really do prefer to date blacks and so on. But everyone prefers to date rich. Lets just agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968043]Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.[/QUOTE]I will concede that SE Asian women may prefer *you*. But its not because you're white. I don't know you. You seem to have had a good experience being white in SE Asia. Maybe you've got model like looks. Maybe you're exceptionally charming. Congratulations. There may be something special about you. But to credit it to your whiteness would be giving a false impression to others on this board. People coming to SE Asia and expecting to be favored because they are white are going to be surely disappointed. Bring your money. Your whiteness the women don't care about.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2968234]As far as K-Pop and Korean tv is concerned, that certainly seems to be true for the majority of girls in my experience too now. E. g. , 19 yo I just posted about, we also talked a bit about what kind of guys she found handsome. She couldn't name one western guy. Had no idea who western movie stars are. It was all Korean as far as she was concerned. She even had some Korean drama playing on the tv while we were banging. Not sure if she tried to imagine it was the Korean guy on tv fucking her instead of me.

That said: while I'd have to think some more about the exact reasons, as a white guy I am no doubt bedding a lot more hot young girls in Jakarta and Thailand than I am at home (I'm excluding p4p here of course). I'm sure novelty is one important factor.[/QUOTE]I don't know how old you are, but generally in Asia, age gaps in relationships are more accepted than in western societies where feminism has taken hold. Where a younger woman in the west would immediately rule you out as disgusting and creepy if the age gap were more than 10 years. A young woman in SE Asia might see you as a potential long term mate. And of course, you have money.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968043]Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.[/QUOTE]Sorry to harp on this topic. But also keep in mind, Americans, especially white Americans have a different definition of what a beautiful asian woman looks like. Asian culture and asian men usually prefer lighter skinned, thinner women. Have you seen some of these korean K-pop women? Not an ass in sight. Where as american men will accept the darker skinned women and really some of the ones that locals do not find attractive. So being a foreigner you may just be getting the what local society considers dregs. I have seen some of what I consider to be the ugliest Asian women with white foreigners. This is actually a good thing. Everyone is happy.

I arrived at classic some time between 6 and 6:30 pm. Grabbed a table and asked for Chacha and then asked her for Nia. Nia now sits on the back row of the couches to the left of the entry way to the stairs to go down to the rooms.

She's a bit taller than what I usually go for but I wanted to see if I can get the same treatment as "that guy from Thailand" so I decided to pull the trigger. Eventhough she is taller she has darker skin and a pretty more oval shaped (as opposed to rounded) face, which I found attractive.

I the room she didn't disappoint. She agreed to BBFS for 200 k tip just as weqwek had mentioned. After taking a mutual shower and towel drying she busted out the listerine right away. Wiped me down thoroughly and even wiped my balls and underneath my balls close to my ass. This sparked my curiosity a bit so during the blow job, as she was licking my balls, I pushed her head down lower and much to my surprise she started licking my asshole while stroking my cock. This felt really good and blanquito got really super hard.

Finally I had her get on top and ride me a bit until she got tired, then I got on top and did my usual power thrusting power driver and this time I got my orgasm quicker than usual and blew my load deep inside her in the pile driver position (with her permission, incase the haters are wondering).

Afterwards we showered again and then she gave me a nice back and leg massage until the phone rang. Then we got dressed and I got a selfie with her and then we left the room.

She does speak some English for those of you who like that.

Total cost 365 k plus 200 k tip and 5 k exit fee.

Gabacho.

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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2968388]Yea, its because you have money. Really no one wants to date the white guy. Nor the black guy, nor any foreigner really. Try dating and not offering to pay the bill. The days of white novelty have long passed with globalization.[/QUOTE]It is both. Being a Singapore expat for three years it had nothing to do with my Cisco salary as a director, more the American thing and yes white too. Never paid to play, but had a different on at least weekly. Once you are settled in, they are looking to marry and have the ability to move to US.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2968346]So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.

I am on my fourth trip here and never had anywhere near that rate and my junk is totally shaven clean. I met a guy on my first trip at the same hotel we were staying at and asked him what his BBFS rate was at Classic during his 9 day trip thus far and he had already had 2 say condom required (78% BBFS success rate). I had gone to Classic roughly 9 times too and had 3 say condom required (67% BBFS success rate). This guy comes for 2 weeks every 3 months for the last year.[/QUOTE]Well I'm not in my 60's 50's or even 40's.

I also try to speak a little bahasa to them telling them" kamu cantik" and asking "kamu darimana" (most reply Jawa Barat or Sumatra). Maybe that plays a role in it I don't know. And also I have sometimes paid 300 k tip although that was when I first got here in November not recently, I try not to go over 200 k now.

Try increasing to 300 k and see if you get more acceptance.

You don't have to believe me tho, it makes no difference to me.

Maybe everything I post is just made up.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2967515]It just happened that one of the girls was married and just looking for fun on the side. She had her own business, own car etc and 2 m IDR would have been an insult. She was into the sex, we had awesome chemistry and it just worked out.[/QUOTE]

Didn't happen to be a yellow MG. Have a regular freebie in the same set up - met her thru Tinder years ago. Going to definitely have to give SA a run.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2968394]I don't know how old you are, but generally in Asia, age gaps in relationships are more accepted than in western societies where feminism has taken hold. Where a younger woman in the west would immediately rule you out as disgusting and creepy if the age gap were more than 10 years. A young woman in SE Asia might see you as a potential long term mate. And of course, you have money.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is another very valid point. Perhaps the most important one.

Biggest acceptable age gap I've personally experienced in the west is 14 years, which was a couple of years ago. That was unfortunately rather unusual for me. In Asia, it's 25 I think, most recently this month, and quite common for me.

By "acceptable" I mean the girl / woman seemed to be interested in having a long term relationship, possibly marriage eventually, age gap notwithstanding.

I'm of course, for the sake of these examples ignoring all possible relationships of the type where the girl is living a very poor life, or somewhat desperate for other reasons (ugly, fat, single mother, etc.), and only counting women with both plenty of other options than me, and a decent jobs and education. Some having had both a higher education and a bigger salary than me, both in the west and in Asia (I'm not particularly well salaried).

[QUOTE=VagigiLover;2968445]It is both. Being a Singapore expat for three years it had nothing to do with my Cisco salary as a director, more the American thing and yes white too. Never paid to play, but had a different on at least weekly. Once you are settled in, they are looking to marry and have the ability to move to US.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about dating in Singapore. That's a completely different market entirely. It is SE Asia, but completely different from its surrounding countries. Singapore is a country of immigrants and expats. There is much less stigma there in dating a white foreigner. Pretty much everyone there is a foreigner. I'm pretty sure you paid in one way or another. No shame. No judgement. It is what it is. Singapore is a highly materialistic country. I wonder how you would've fared without your Cisco salary.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2968346]So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.

I am on my fourth trip here and never had anywhere near that rate and my junk is totally shaven clean. I met a guy on my first trip at the same hotel we were staying at and asked him what his BBFS rate was at Classic during his 9 day trip thus far and he had already had 2 say condom required (78% BBFS success rate). I had gone to Classic roughly 9 times too and had 3 say condom required (67% BBFS success rate). This guy comes for 2 weeks every 3 months for the last year.

This trip I actually ran into him at Classic. This time he asked me what my BBFS rate was because something had changed. I told him I had only been here 5 days with 5 girls and already 2 condom required girls. He said he was 2 for 4 (50% BBFS success rate). He is older but a clean cut and dressed. Said he was offering same tip amount for BBFS 150 k-200 k. I offered only one girl the 200,000 and told her I would cum outside (which I do) and had vasectomy and still no. I have had a few girls since, so around 10 total. 5 required condoms (50% BBFS success rate). Two girls stated "No condom. No sex. ". They did not yell it or say it mean. They stated as fact with no hesitation. The finality and the speed of the reply and the confidence with no time thinking about it told me one thing. The bar or mamis are teaching them.

Classic and Travel are same owners so I went there. Thus far 5 girls with 3 requiring condoms. Start at 150,000 and raise to 200,000 for all 3 girls and all said no. Tell me if this sounds familiar: one of the girls stated "No condom. No sex." No thinking time required. Not mad. She was just stating how it was. The bar or the mamis are training them.

The smart tall girl I mentioned before. I took her on my fifth visit. She noticed and commented that I like to take different girls whenever I visit. I grab a girl and gone to the room in under 15 minutes on most all my visits so I am never seen for long so if she noticed, many other girls hade too. So if you have been there 30 times and sometimes twice a day all the girls would notice and no way so many would be doing BBFS with you. It is called getting a reputation.

I also contacted a newbie on his first visit who went to Classic 5-6 times and had a roughly 50% BBFS rate.

So in summary. One newbie and two guys who have visited many times have had almost identical BBFS results on past visits except this visit which we both had less BBFS results. Travel has a near identical pass / fail rate is its sister company for me. I go 5 times to Classic and the new girl gave me a "repeat offender" reputation. Things that make you go, "Hmmmm?[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure all the girls talk about BBFS amongst themselves and what guys do it. Last summer (a threeseome at classic that I posted about here), I first banged the girl I liked solo, without condom. Next time when I took her and her friend, she made an effort to get me to agree to using condom while her friend was showering and could not see what we were talking about. So I'm pretty sure at least this girl did not mention me fucking her without to condom the day before to who was I think her best friend at Classic (I let the girl choose her friend for the threesome, and I could see they were really good friends when we were in the room).

Regarding mamasans, a few girls have told me to not tell mama about it, and I think all of them have opened the condom before throwing it away, sometimes even after we have finished showering and getting ready to leave the room. So I'm pretty sure they are instructed to use condom, but with so many not doing it, I'm thinking it can't be a very firmly enforced rule.

My own rate during my week in Jakarta this month, for statistics sake: Went to Classic 6 times, had 8 different girls (two threesomes). Was refused BBFS once. So a "failure rate" of 1/8, or success rate of 88% if you wish.

Perhaps more interesting: if I remember correctly, only two girls (the threesome with the mercurial girls on my last day, before departing for the airport), demanded that I tip them, and demanded to know how much.

I think only one other girl asked me if I would tip her before shortly before I inserted my dick in her sans condom (did not ask how much), while the rest did not say anything about tip beforehand (which is a more pleasant experience of course), though I of course tipped them too.

So if I remember correctly, of the 7/8 girls who did BBFS, three asked to know I would tip them beforehand, and two of them were a pair (threesome). From that I deduce that while the girls probably expect a tip for BBFS, it might not be the main issue stopping you. Instead I will suggest to invest more time in foreplay and arousing them by rubbing your bare dick against their pussy, or if you're the type who likes to go down on p4 p-girls or one night stands, do that too of course. I've never entered a girl bareback without her implied permission, but in the end, they too get aroused. I suggest this, combined with a tip, will lead to better success rate.

Hardest case was the prettiest girl I banged at Classic, an 18 yo who IMO was prettier than almost any girl at Emporivum, but she had dark skin so could probably not work there because of that. It took a good 40 minutes before I could enter her, and I was about to give up. The one girl I did fail with was also pretty, but not so pretty that I wanted to expunge the effort I did on the 18 yo, so after 5 minutes or so without success (I offered tip also), I rubbered on and fucked her with the condom.

That said: I'm concerned many of these girls are not on the pill (for some idiotic reason I cannot fathom. The same is the case in Thailand). The only reason I'm banging them without condom so freely is that I've had a vasectomy, so I know there's no risk of that with me (+ I use prep and pep as std precautions). Hopefully everyone here knows girls can get pregnant, even if you pull out, and is not so deranged that he wants to contribute to an increase in the population of fatherless children in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2968391]I will concede that SE Asian women may prefer *you*. But its not because you're white. I don't know you. You seem to have had a good experience being white in SE Asia. Maybe you've got model like looks. Maybe you're exceptionally charming. Congratulations. There may be something special about you. But to credit it to your whiteness would be giving a false impression to others on this board. People coming to SE Asia and expecting to be favored because they are white are going to be surely disapointed. Bring your money. Your whiteness the women don't care about.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is right. You of course know how obsessed a lot of asians are with whiteness, and the plethora of skin whitening cream they use.

You're not going to be treated as Buddha even if you're white and have a belly the same size as him, but being a white foreigner is definitely a plus over being a black foreigner here.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2968490]I don't think that is right. You of course know how obsessed a lot of asians are with whiteness, and the plethora of skin whitening cream they use.

You're not going to be treated as Buddha even if you're white and have a belly the same size as him, but being a white foreigner is definitely a plus over being a black foreigner here.[/QUOTE]Whiteness matters more for women to attract asian men. Much less so the other way around. Go walk around a Watsons pharmacy in Asia, look at all the whitening products. How many of them are for men? How many of them are for women?