Kyiv

[QUOTE=RollBuzz;2319457]But, what is WU?(Stevie).[/QUOTE]Western Union.

Some use it to send money overseas.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2319553]In response to PhotoSlider (can't quote it always gives me an error with tag usage).

2 weeks just in order to fuck some (hot or semi-hot) girls is absolutely not feasible in my opinion. You should be able to set up things in much less time. Which would be the only reason for Europeans to go to Kiev anyway. If you have so much time you might as well just hit Pattaya (waaaaaaay more girls and convenience and even though prices have been going up the past 10 years it still is the prime destination for paid pussy).

I myself am German and I am quite heavily against FKKs (its nice in the beginning don't get me wrong) just too expensive and the service is quite hit or miss with these Romanian girls.

For 150 you can get an absolute Model between 18 -22 for an hour or even two in Kiev. Not so much in Germany.[/QUOTE]No way a model in Kiev for $150,completely delusional. Maybe a 5 or 6. Just because a girl Kiss you and talks to you does not make them a model. Way better looking girls in Germany, Europe and Russia then Kiev.

Almost impossible to even find a model in Kiev on a short stay. Maybe if you are working there and can speak the language, but highly unlikely you have a better chance becoming a professional athlete.

When you guys make these ridiculous statements, you are lying to yourself and more importantly others. Guys read this crap and believe it.

If you want models here where to go:

1. Russia.

2. Europe.

3. Germany.

4. New York.

5. Latin Americal.

6. Vegas, LA, San Diego.

7. Asia.

8. Kiev is at the bottom of the barrel, sorry the truth hurts.

[QUOTE=Francis4;2319641]Hi guys,

I've been following the threads here for some time and about to go to Kiev for the first time. I'the like to ask for some practical advice regarding accommodation. I've found a good apartment on Pushkinska St but Google maps shows something that looks like a police booth close to the entrance of the building. Does this sound like a bad idea to you when it comes to having girls come over to the apartment? Or not?

Thanks for any advice![/QUOTE]Being to near a police station ain't a good idea if you want to meet girl there. But maybe they don't care.

I like pushinska, it's very central, good place.

Anyway I prefer to stay out of inner center. You always move with uber, it's cheap and so you can stay in residential areas where living is cheaper.

You will pay less going around with uber than renting a central apartment.

[QUOTE=Francis4;2319641]Hi guys,

I've been following the threads here for some time and about to go to Kiev for the first time. I'the like to ask for some practical advice regarding accommodation. I've found a good apartment on Pushkinska St but Google maps shows something that looks like a police booth close to the entrance of the building. Does this sound like a bad idea to you when it comes to having girls come over to the apartment? Or not?

Thanks for any advice![/QUOTE]I stayed on Pushkinska, don't recall any police booth. Its a good location, very central, nice for walking, lots of restaurants and easy for girls to come and meet you there.

[QUOTE=Arkiloko;2319730]Being to near a police station ain't a good idea if you want to meet girl there. But maybe they don't care.

I like pushinska, it's very central, good place.

Anyway I prefer to stay out of inner center. You always move with uber, it's cheap and so you can stay in residential areas where living is cheaper.

You will pay less going around with uber than renting a central apartment.[/QUOTE]I am the opposite, so many nice places to walk around central Kiev, easy to organise meetings as girls take metro or marshutka, lots of nice restaurants and much nicer to be able to back and forth to he apartment.

[QUOTE=Francis4;2319641]Hi guys,

I've been following the threads here for some time and about to go to Kiev for the first time. I'the like to ask for some practical advice regarding accommodation. I've found a good apartment on Pushkinska St but Google maps shows something that looks like a police booth close to the entrance of the building. Does this sound like a bad idea to you when it comes to having girls come over to the apartment? Or not?

Thanks for any advice![/QUOTE]It could be security station guarding one of the Embassies on Pushkinska. They wouldn't care. But if you feel nervous, find somewhere else. AirBnB has enough.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2319553]In response to PhotoSlider (can't quote it always gives me an error with tag usage).

2 weeks just in order to fuck some (hot or semi-hot) girls is absolutely not feasible in my opinion. You should be able to set up things in much less time. Which would be the only reason for Europeans to go to Kiev anyway. If you have so much time you might as well just hit Pattaya (waaaaaaay more girls and convenience and even though prices have been going up the past 10 years it still is the prime destination for paid pussy).

I myself am German and I am quite heavily against FKKs (its nice in the beginning don't get me wrong) just too expensive and the service is quite hit or miss with these Romanian girls.

For 150 you can get an absolute Model between 18 -22 for an hour or even two in Kiev. Not so much in Germany.[/QUOTE]You may google and learn basic HTML for quotes, it's simple.

How many times have you been to Kiev?

When was your last time? How many years ago?

How long do you typically stay?

What is your budget? Total and per hour?

What do you call "a model"?

To me a 19-21 years old student with minimal makeup, clean cloth, fit, good manners, sincere and friendly is better than any so called model. I meet young ladies in Kiev for my own pleasure, not for bragging rights.

If you are happy with girls in Thailand or Mexico, and have no particular preference for Ukrainian beauties then don't go to Kiev. It is not cheap and not easy at all. In my opinion, however, the reward justifies the effort.

I said 2 weeks because many gentlemen left unhappy staying for only 3-5 days. There is no drive-through FKK or Pattaya style ordering in Kiev. Yes, I know, you want it, but it doesn't exist the way you want it. Bars, strip clubs, apartment brothels are all self-deception. GIA-KEC is expensive and these days doesn't guarantee good quality. There are still great KEC girls, but even in Kiev there are significantly more affordable alternatives with great quality.

I do rapid fire agency ordering sifting through candidates and calling up my regulars from prior visits.

No later than today, in anticipation of my imminent arrival to Kiev, I sent a Viber request to my agency dispatcher. I know her since November 2017. The following conversation transpired:

- Hi, Oksana! Sorry, I am not in Kiev yet, but will be soon. If you have a minute, could you please resolve a dispute I am having? I am saying that when I arrive to Kiev, with your help and with my prior contacts I can easily have 2-3 amazingly beautiful girls with good manners for no more than 2100 UAH per hour within my first 24 hours in Kiev. And my ever so doubtful counterparts that were cheated in Kiev and didn't visit it for few years now state that Kiev sucks, that due to visa-free all the decent Ukrainian girls traveled to Europe and Middle East, and those girls that stay in Kiev are either ugly, or short, or old, or expensive. Would you mind resolving our dispute please? Who says the truth?

Of course being the agency dispatcher she is marketing her goods. For her it was 10 pm Friday night, and she was very busy, so her response was curt and straight to the point:

- You do. You tell the truth. There are new girls all the time. Young, beautiful, tall, well-mannered students. We are awaiting for your arrival.

And I ordered from that agency a lot. Dozens and dozens and dozens. Yes there were occasional mishaps, yes I speak local language, yes I am able to explain what exactly I want, and I am not afraid to reject when they send me bad ones, I also do not mind bait and switch at all, as long as those that arrived satisfy my requirements.

Many of my friends from this Forum have seen and confirmed the quality, and shared theirs. The rest is theological argument.

You want to go to Pattaya or Moscow or Tijuana, then forget about Kiev, and please do your thing, stop daydreaming about Kiev. More girls for the rest of us. NP at all.

Cheap readily available models for newbies in Kiev never existed.

And speaking about foreigners not being an object of interest anymore. Sex tourists aren't.

I had the following occasion of trading up a used iPhone in Kiev. Needed more memory. They asked for my passport. Stupid me, I gave it. You should have seen how the attitude of that girl has changed 180 degrees from being all business, an impregnable fortress to a smiling beauty looking for a way to prolong our conversation. She didn't know that my GF was sitting on a side bench, and trying not to laugh aloud. But I returned later and we addressed our mutual needs in amicable fashion.

Realistic expectations are the key in Kiev.

End of story.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2319553]For 150 you can get an absolute Model between 18 -22 for an hour or even two in Kiev.[/QUOTE]150 Euro is 4000+ UAH. Sure you can.

1 hour from KEC. 2-3 hours from reliable validated through prior visits source (Viber agency). For that much money easily can be 6-10 hours with regular contact. Yes, true model in the common sense of that term.

Would be newbie able to achieve that level? Maybe with KEC, most likely for more money, like 5000 UAH first hour and 16000 UAH for 10 hours (500+ Euro, or 50 Euro per hour for 10 hours):

[URL]https://kievescort.club/girl/katia12[/URL]

But not with any other regular agency in short time interval. Money versus time versus effort versus quality and convenience. Old laws of economy.

Pattaya is easier than Kiev for sure.

[QUOTE=Francis4;2319641]Hi guys,

I've been following the threads here for some time and about to go to Kiev for the first time. I'the like to ask for some practical advice regarding accommodation. I've found a good apartment on Pushkinska St but Google maps shows something that looks like a police booth close to the entrance of the building. Does this sound like a bad idea to you when it comes to having girls come over to the apartment? Or not?

Thanks for any advice![/QUOTE]While police raids to apartment brothels do occasionally occur in Ukraine, the police doesn't care much about P2Ps. So I would say it is fairly safe to have girls coming to your apartment even under the eyes of the police.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2319697]2. Europe.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DramaFree11;2319697]7. Asia.[/QUOTE]Europe and Asia are continents that contain many countries, and things are quite different from on country to another.

I don't think Norway and Spain are comparable in terms of mongering, for example. Nor Singapore and Thailand.

Kiev is not perfect, but still surpasses most cities in the Old World as a mongering spot, especially if you are into Slavic girls.

Kiev is full of scams, but with more caution and efforts you can still get really hot girls here. This city is not newbie-friendly, it is for frequent visitors and people who reside here.

While I understand that you just want to warn people of the scams and potential disappointments in Kiev mongering scene, the negative aspects of Kiev are often exaggerated in your constant criticism of the city.

This is a complete rip off, and should only be used if you are there for a short stay or a last resort, and these girls sure as hell are not models, just normal girls with Photo Shopped Pictures. Anything above $150 for one hour, is way too much money to spend in Kiev, on girls. You can go to any surrounding country, including Germany and bang very good looking girls for the same money or cheaper. It makes zero sense to fly from Europe to Kiev. You guys have all kinds of hot girls, get on SA, and find some locals.

Kiev is good for cheap average girls, safe city, good weather, many things to do during the day and if you are worried about the Visa. There is absolutely no other reason to go, if you are looking for higher end girls. There is no Night Life and Strip Bars are mediocre at best. If this is what you are looking for, I highly recommend Kiev.

I scored a literal model last summer 100 euro per hour + 50 for video. She wasn't a "super model" but she was 6-foot tall and had done professional modeling she showed me some pictures. Very pretty girl. I will admit I got lucky this girl was brand new and I found her via extensive Mamba research and now she's retired and long gone. Too bad, this girl had the highest sex drive of any girl I have met in Kiev. Maybe I should try out for the NBA.

And Kiev is in Europe the last time I checked.

[I] apartment brothels are ... self-deception[/I]

Why do you think are apartment brothels self deception in Kiev? I was in one last night, they work for me.

50 26 23 90 and, 30 31 26 20 E Google Earth.

Baseina Street. Its next to a pizza bread food outlet, maybe Domino's.

Behind a large electronic locked dark steel security front door, then the door immediately on your right when you get to the 2nd floor.

I didn't know the code, I just loiter outside for usually 10 minutes until some random other opens the security door, but they will give the code if you ask.

Dress smart else they might not let you in. Its open 24/7 but better to go after 7 pm. Women quality from 5. 5 to 9, they do a line up so you can usually get at least a 7.

Damage 2100 UAH for covered sex, paid upfront. Kissing on lips is supposed to be extra but half the time its wavered.

Reports: P age 22,5'8" blonde, looked like she hadn't slept in a week, or just had her 1st round of chemo. Zombie. Maintained a clip on plastic smile throughout. Face: 6.5, body 7 (deflated tits that looked at least 33 yo), attitude+performance 4 (cooperative, but smiling zombie), big wet comfy vagina, overall 7.

V age 26,5'6" brunette, toothy smile, nice attitude, 1 stone overweight but not bad, face 6.5 body 6.5 (good tits), attitude+performance 7, overall 7.

T age 22,5'1" golden, rare shimmering super soft skin, perfect body, big tits, but large tats on legs, face 8, body 8.5 attitude+performance 7, overall 8.

Would be higher but I'm not into short women.

O age 22,5'7 blonde, pretty 8 face, didn't see body about looks at least 8. Didn't get, hopefully later.

There's at least 1 other 8+ there.

Place isn't busy. Been 3 times (twice at 7 pm weekday, once at 10 pm weekend) and was only client there all 3 times.

All in all, 2100 UAH is a lot for sex, but its cheap to travel to Kiev, so compared to Pattaya its cheaper as long as I go for 2 weeks or less.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2320067]While police raids to apartment brothels do occasionally occur in Ukraine, the police doesn't care much about P2Ps. So I would say it is fairly safe to have girls coming to your apartment even under the eyes of the police.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure this is good advice. I had an apartment on Sofievka not far from the Maidan where there were police usually walking around, and several times was stopped by police just before I could enter the door to my building when I had one or two girls with me. They asked to see ID's and other questions. I had to pay them money to let us go. The police are interested in the payoff, not the prostitution. This was a few years ago. Since then I've rented apartments not near a known police location. And I don't much bring girls home with me anymore, and usually just invite girls from mamba to come to my apartment. So I haven't had such problems again. But I would be wary of flaunting the bringing of girls to my address right under the noses of police. It's begging for trouble and just about inviting police to shake you down for some grivna.