Jakarta

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2968291]I've yet to visit Jakarta, that will happen in April next year. But I have been on Seeking for 10+ years, primarily in the US, but I have also used it in Europe, UK, South America, and most recently, the Philippines. I expect my experiences in the Philippines will be similar to what I will find in Jakarta. As Expat American says, the Seeking women are generally not the same as massage or freelance sex workers. I have been in the monger space for over 30 years, and my 1st trip to Angeles City was made more successful than I anticipated with the assistance of a fellow ISG member, and I am thankful for his guidance and advice.

I come to Jakarta with the objective of finding great experiences. Trying to get those at the lowest possible cost is, in my considered opinion, counter-productive and is likely to lead to ruin. Instead, I intend to try a variety of venues and channels (in-person and online) to meet women who will rock my world (or at least rock my day). I have ample funds to support a generous budget. That includes places like Classic and Emporium, as well as freelances in nightclubs, and dating apps like Indo Cupid, TF and definitely Seeking. Looking at the Jakarta-centric profiles on Seeking now I can already see that the mix of viable women that will likely provide an amazing experience for perhaps 25% of what I may pay in LOS Angeles, is exponentially higher than LA. And yes, Seeking dates are generally much more intimate than what one may find at Classic, which I appreciate. For me, having a hot, 20-something, charming, articulate student or professional treat me like her boyfriend for several hours ending in wet, sloppy passionate and (probably) bareback sex is so much more than I expect from a 90-minute line-up pick. Don't get me wrong, I intend to bang a fair number of babes from Classic and the like. But since I am not price-conscience, I won't mind if I pay 365 k for one nut, and 2 m for another.

Now I am probably even less attractive than Expat American! Ok, that came out wrong (Sorry EA!) I mean to say I am old and fat, so not winning any young hearts over with a non-existent 6-pack. But based on my Seeking results at home, where I maintain a stable rotation of 5 women aged 21 to 38 (including 2 A-List porn stars), I know I can be charming, funny and charismatic. If some of you are contemplating using Seeking, I suggest you give it a try. Use real pics (if you can) with your shirt on! And be authentic about who you are and what you want. Then start messaging and see what happens. Like any similar freelancer-ish scenario, never pay in advance, of course. And never mention anything about P4 P on the site (instant ban). Instead, move the chat to WhatsApp, Line or similar and then you can schedule a date, talk about expectations and establish some rapport.

I'll be in Jakarta 4/1/25 to 4/20/25. Then on to Bali for a few days before coming home. Delighted to meet up with any ISG brother who may be around at that time.[/QUOTE]You can get the same thing from [URL]Badoo.com[/URL] without paying the stupid money SA requires. I have 8 young Badoo ladies ranging in age from 18 to 29 who are awaiting my visit in January. All are in college and speak good English and don't have delusions of grandeur, unlike those on SA.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2968545]Whiteness matters more for women to attract asian men. Much less so the other way around. Go walk around a Watsons pharmacy in Asia, look at all the whitening products. How many of them are for men? How many of them are for women?[/QUOTE]Well, our opinions differ here. I think it matters a fair amount to many women too. Black prince charming might not get rejected because he's black, but white prince charming will usually far much better and have to work less for it.

Amount of whitening products is probably more related to amount of products in general for men. Most girls I've met have ten times the amount of skin care products that I have (10 times zero, I guess. ;-)). Until some years ago, I didn't even have one. Now I have one.

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[QUOTE=Werqweq;2968486]I'm not so sure all the girls talk about BBFS amongst themselves and what guys do it. Last summer (a threeseome at classic that I posted about here), I first banged the girl I liked solo, without condom. Next time when I took her and her friend, she made an effort to get me to agree to using condom while her friend was showering and could not see what we were talking about. So I'm pretty sure at least this girl did not mention me fucking her without to condom the day before to who was I think her best friend at Classic (I let the girl choose her friend for the threesome, and I could see they were really good friends when we were in the room).

Regarding mamasans, a few girls have told me to not tell mama about it, and I think all of them have opened the condom before throwing it away, sometimes even after we have finished showering and getting ready to leave the room. So I'm pretty sure they are instructed to use condom, but with so many not doing it, I'm thinking it can't be a very firmly enforced rule.

That said: I'm concerned many of these girls are not on the pill (for some idiotic reason I cannot fathom. The same is the case in Thailand). The only reason I'm banging them without condom so freely is that I've had a vasectomy, so I know there's no risk of that with me (+ I use prep and pep as std precautions). Hopefully everyone here knows girls can get pregnant, even if you pull out, and is not so deranged that he wants to contribute to an increase in the population of fatherless children in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]My statistics are pretty much in line with yours. I also have had girls tell me not to say anything to their mamasans and also have opened up the condom and throw it away into the trash, I even took it a step further and will open up the condom unroll it on my fingers and spit into it and then throw it into the trash and give the girl a thumbs up and say bagus.

I too have done DATY on more than a few of them as well and I feel like that helped to break the ice. The two that let me bareback without even mentioning a tip or how much (there was one in T5 and the one in T2 with orange hair) were both ones I went down on before the act.

To add to your last point, there are other forms of birth control besides "the pill" for example in Colombia many women have a why shaped implant in their upper arm just under the skin which is another form of birth control, others also have IUDs and I believe there may be once a month injections for birth control now too. "the pill" is like the old school 1990's form of birth control.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2968579]Well, our opinions differ here. I think it matters a fair amount to many women too. Black prince charming might not get rejected because he's black, but white prince charming will usually far much better and have to work less for it.

Amount of whitening products is probably more related to amount of products in general for men. Most girls I've met have ten times the amount of skin care products that I have (10 times zero, I guess. ;-)). Until some years ago, I didn't even have one. Now I have one.[/QUOTE]In all my years in asia, I've never heard any man talk about trying to whiten his skin. Its for women, because asian men like lighter skinned women.

You are completely right, that there is a hierarchy of races in asia. Asia is completely racist. If one must date a foreigner, usually Asians from Japan and Korea are preferred, then white, black, and rounding out the bottom are Indians. Don't ask me why Indians are at the bottom. I have no idea.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2968729]In all my years in asia, I've never heard any man talk about trying to whiten his skin. Its for women, because asian men like lighter skinned women.

[/QUOTE]Walk through the mens section of skin care products in a Thailand store and you will see they have "whitening" products for men too, so somebody must be buying them. The unfortunate Hi-so Bangkok-wife of a dark Isaan farmer perhaps?

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968043]Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.[/QUOTE]Gaijin. A lot has changed in 20 years. We may be talking about completely different times. I would agree that 20 years ago, a white man would have been considered more of a novelty and would have definitely had an advantage.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2968735]A lot has changed in 20 years. We may be talking about completely different times. I would agree that 20 years ago, a white man would have been considered more of a novelty and would have definitely had an advantage.[/QUOTE]I would disagree in the proper context.

IMO, any guy from a Western world with an average salary would usually be preferred by the girl over a local in that third world making that country's average salary. Green card / chain migration is an another issue.

20-30 years ago, I asked numerous Thai go-go girls this question. Which would you prefer. A foreigner or a Thai, who has all the same attributes. Job / salary, looks, heart / personality. They all said Thais.

Oh, I probably shouldn't have weighed in. LOL!

Observations from my first time: Last night in front of Classic Hotel, I saw a bus with East Asians. A large bus. My, my.

Also, some posters mentioned that Classic 2 had dim lighting. It has dim lighting at your tables in the middle. But the most of the girls are sitting on the couches that surround the bar; and that area has good lighting, so you can see their faces. Not their bodies since they wear dresses. You can easily walk around and see most of the girls. There's pool tables there, if anyone plays pool.

I read the forum. If it wasn't for this forum, I would have been scared of being overcharged, since they don't hand you a bill like other places / countries. I didn't notice any rip-off attempts. I walked around like an expert, with my beads.

OK BB, you're right. Jakarta is good.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2968346]So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.
[/QUOTE]I was in Jakarta for 4 days and went to classic everyday at around 6 pm. I fucked 2 girls each day so 8 girls total and they all provided BBFS. The tall girl put in raw without even asking as did most of the girls. 2 girls wanted the guarantee of a tip of around 200 k which I gave every girl anyway. Small sample size and maybe if I went more days and built up a reputation they may have stopped.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968561]You sound jealous as hell because you're not white, son.[/QUOTE]Do you know what being white represents to these people? It means you don't have to work outside, meaning you either have a well paying indoor job or are rich enough to not have to work outside. So it basically translate to the fact that you have money and thus a higher status. Same with being a foreigner, especially an American. They assume we have money. It all boils down to money. Why do you think South Koreans and Japanese guys are getting more attention than white guys in Thailand now? Because they spend more money. But then again maybe it is your super sexy prosthetic leg that's getting the ladies going lmao.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2968733]Walk through the mens section of skin care products in a Thailand store and you will see they have "whitening" products for men[/QUOTE]Perhaps it's products for men that like other men.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2968797]Do you know what being white represents to these people? It means you don't have to work outside, meaning you either have a well paying indoor job or are rich enough to not have to work outside. So it basically translate to the fact that you have money and thus a higher status. Same with being a foreigner, especially an American. They assume we have money. It all boils down to money. Why do you think South Koreans and Japanese guys are getting more attention than white guys in Thailand now? Because they spend more money. But then again maybe it is your super sexy prosthetic leg that's getting the ladies going lmao.[/QUOTE]I never said it had nothing to do with money. That's universal. If you're white in SE Asia, you're seen as having money, quite obviously. What's your point?

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[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2968806]Perhaps it's products for men that like other men.[/QUOTE]LOL. Maybe. Thinking about it now, I do remember a Thai ex-GF had a rich gay friend who I think she mentioned was using whitening cream.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968562]You can get the same thing from [URL]Badoo.com[/URL] without paying the stupid money SA requires. I have 8 young Badoo ladies ranging in age from 18 to 29 who are awaiting my visit in January. All are in college and speak good English and don't have delusions of grandeur, unlike those on SA.[/QUOTE]I feel I must apologize, as you seem to have completely missed my point. Please allow me to clarify using words a 3rd grader should understand.

I not care what you think. My money. My dick.

But thanks for the tip about Badoo. Just downloaded it and signed up. Perhaps I will also rebook my visit to January, so I can take great pleasure in overbidding for every 18-29-year old college student I find.