Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2524905]Is the Mercado Municipal considered a mall? Will it be closed also?

What do they consider the weekend Saturday and Sunday? Or is Friday also included?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Not Friday, but next Monday for example is a special holiday ("City of Sao Paulo day") so it is included. Never head of Mercado Municipal. I was wrong about restaurants, they open for a short span for lunch and dinner. So it is not too bad provided restrictions don't get worse and worse.

I miss shopping malls since the food courts were not only good value but also an ideal spot for a lone monger to eat quietly on his own while getting an eyeful of the local female population. Many upmarket restaurants in Sao Paulo are not too keen to give one of their best tables to an old fart like me.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2524905]Is the Mercado Municipal considered a mall? Will it be closed also?

What do they consider the weekend Saturday and Sunday? Or is Friday also included?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[URL=https://www.google.com/search?q=mercado+municipal+sao+paulo&source=hp&ei=BTENYOvWG5f5tAais5TABg&gs_ssp=eJzj4tZP1zc0MijPMUrJNmC0UjaosDRJTjVNs0g2MzQwAkJTK6BQYqqJuUmymYFZWmqaiZd0bmpRcmJKvkJuaV5mcmZBYo5CcWK-QkFiaU4-AHV5GC0&oq=mercado+municipal+sao+paulo&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMg4ILhDHARCvARDJAxCTAjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHlCgDFigDGCOLWgAcAB4AIABlgGIAZYBkgEDMC4xmAEAoAECoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab]Mercado Municipal de So Paulo[/URL]

Official Site - [URL]https://portaldomercadao.com.br/[/URL].

Opening Hours Regular / Holiday / COVID - [URL]https://portaldomercadao.com.br/o-local/horario-de-funcionamento[/URL] and [URL]https://portaldomercadao.com.br/novidades/noticias/1772-aniversario-mercadao-lanche-gigante[/URL]

Thanks!!

I was hoping to be able to go to Mercado and get some some fruits and pastel and just waste some time walking around. Hopefully, I will be able to do.

I am concerned about restaurants opening on weekend as I will be in São Paulo next weekend. Otherwise, I will just have to order and have it delivered which isn't my preferred option. But oh well.

Went to a few boates last week. Lotus at ex-Cafe Photo location can't recommend. 170 BRL cover on Wednesday night, that's higher what Photo used to charge and even more than Scandallo. Place was empty with around 10 garotas only. Left and went to new Bomboa, which is right around the corner. Great party there with around 30-40 girls. So at the moment it's not too bad with Scandallo, Bomboa, Connection operating pretty normal, very likely even during fase vermelha now. Normal bars and restaurants will for sure be closed all weekend and after 8 pm from Mon. -Fri.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2525785]Went to a few boates last week. Lotus at ex-Cafe Photo location can't recommend. 170 BRL cover on Wednesday night, that's higher what Photo used to charge and even more than Scandallo. Place was empty with around 10 garotas only. Left and went to new Bomboa, which is right around the corner. Great party there with around 30-40 girls. So at the moment it's not too bad with Scandallo, Bomboa, Connection operating pretty normal, very likely even during fase vermelha now. Normal bars and restaurants will for sure be closed all weekend and after 8 pm from Mon. -Fri.[/QUOTE]Did Cafe Photo just do a name change, or did it move to a new location, and the old place became Lotus?

[QUOTE=Safado007;2525785]Went to a few boates last week. Lotus at ex-Cafe Photo location can't recommend. 170 BRL cover on Wednesday night, that's higher what Photo used to charge and even more than Scandallo. Place was empty with around 10 garotas only. Left and went to new Bomboa, which is right around the corner. Great party there with around 30-40 girls. So at the moment it's not too bad with Scandallo, Bomboa, Connection operating pretty normal, very likely even during fase vermelha now. Normal bars and restaurants will for sure be closed all weekend and after 8 pm from Mon. -Fri.[/QUOTE]One correction and one question.

Correction: Lotus (ex Photo) entrance of 170 is not more than Scandalo unless you are comparing it to the Scandalo early bird entrance of 150 before 7 pm. After 7 pm Scandalo is 350 I believe. Whereas Lotus is 170 all night, no? The clubs are really apples and oranges because Lotus has no rooms BUT no exit fee for the women, whereas Scandalo has expensive rooms and expensive exit fee (should you choose not to use the rooms). But all that is moot if there are no women at Lotus. It only recently reopened so time will tell if the numbers pick up or not.

Question: Very interested in your report on Bomboa 40 (I. E. Mini Bomboa). I went there once immediately after reopening in November but have not gone back and reports are non existent. At the time they offered entrance of 157 reais but all could be put toward "consumação", food and drink, and they had good food. Very nice rooms on premise, significantly cheaper than Scandalo. And the manager told me the girls would accept 300 even though most would start asking 400. So price wise it is significantly better than Scandalo. The big negative is its lack of size. Its truly "mini" in every respect. So what I want to ask you is are you sure there were 30-40 girls? The night I went there were like 10 and 10 clients and though the owner said his target was 30-40 girls I was wondering how that would actually work out given the small space. There was an additional social area upstairs so maybe it could handle 30-40. Also I was skeptical that they would be able to attract 30-40 girls and sufficient clients. They do have 15 rooms, so plenty of rooms if in fact they can pull in 30-40 ladies it makes it a very viable option.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2525808]Did Cafe Photo just do a name change, or did it move to a new location, and the old place became Lotus?[/QUOTE]Cafe Photo (name only) is to open at a new location, date ***, you can follow them on instagram for updates.

Lotus Club is the newly branded club in the same location as the old Cafe Photo.

From what I heard the prior owners of Cafe Photo split up.

One owner retained the old name and will open new club with old name in new location. Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515.

The other retained the old location, now open but rebranded with new name, Lotus Club -t Av. Pres. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373.

Neither are to be confused with Lotus Lounge a pricey clinica. Nor any of the other variations on Lotus in SP.

Confusing but true.

Chhers.

Lotus club raised the cover from previous 120 to 170 with no consumption now. Scandallo charges 150 plus consumption 150 I guess. As I went from Lotus to Bomboa I can say there were way more girls and clients. All sofas busy with clients, some girls even standing. I like the intimate atmosphere though. Take out fee was 150 if I remember correctly. I will definitely go there again soon.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2525860]Lotus club raised the cover from previous 120 to 170 with no consumption now. Scandallo charges 150 plus consumption 150 I guess. As I went from Lotus to Bomboa I can say there were way more girls and clients. All sofas busy with clients, some girls even standing. I like the intimate atmosphere though. Take out fee was 150 if I remember correctly. I will definitely go there again soon.[/QUOTE]So Scandallo, Bomboa and Connection are open for business now? In spite of the partial lockdown that kicked off on Monday?

I know Casarao has closed since Monday.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2525840]Cafe Photo (name only) is to open at a new location, date ***, you can follow them on instagram for updates.

Lotus Club is the newly branded club in the same location as the old Cafe Photo.

From what I heard the prior owners of Cafe Photo split up.

One owner retained the old name and will open new club with old name in new location. Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515.

The other retained the old location, now open but rebranded with new name, Lotus Club -t Av. Pres. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373.

Neither are to be confused with Lotus Lounge a pricey clinica. Nor any of the other variations on Lotus in SP.

Confusing but true.

Chhers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarifications Rovnak.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2522159]
Yes, it seems Brazilian working girls can be "genuinely" into you. I think they are very into having fun in the moment with whoever and wherever which makes for a great vibe and great sex. Lastly, it's not so unusual for an attractive young Brasilian working girl to partner with an affluent foreign man. Many have friends or acquaintances living in Europe and North America with husbands or boyfriends. Yes, it's the "Pretty Woman" dream.[/QUOTE]Before my recent trip to SP, I would have never found this believable, but the fantasy happened to me, for the first time in my life.

A hot chick I met at a clinica sent me an unusual text, not your usual 'when are you coming back to see me'. I usually block these annoying types, but this one piqued my interest enough that I responded, and this set in motion a sequence of events that led her to spend every night at my joint for a whole week, till I left. She was very affectionate and obviously infatuated, always found an excuse to leave work early to come to my place. Always holding hands when in public, or doing the shoulder-waist combo. On my last days she insisted on spending the whole day with me, she didn't go to work. Showed me some nice places in SP.

Best part, she flatly refused my money. Tried a few times to slide her 'taxi / Uber fare' but she declined, saying the muito affection I gave her was worth all the money in the world.

She was very well mannered, obviously from a decent background. No tats or noticeable makeup, no provocative attire, just your regular hot chick giving her best to me for (apparently) nothing in return. She indicated she's been in the game for only 2 months. Can't verify such, but she seemed on the honest side.

And just to clarify, I am not a head turner, not rich, not flashy, and far from being a player. I am as vanilla as a dude can be. She spoke a few words of English, but it was 90% Google Translate. Note to self: learn Portuguese!

On a side note, the one thing I found strange was that the second afternoon she came over, the hotel reception just gave her a key to my room without even checking with me. Got me worried for a bit since I barely knew her by then, but turned out to be all good.

The whole experience felt real good. May be the best week I have had in my adult life.

Happy mongering my friends!

[QUOTE=Kib123;2525964]On a side note, the one thing I found strange was that the second afternoon she came over, the hotel reception just gave her a key to my room without even checking with me. Got me worried for a bit since I barely knew her by then, but turned out to be all good.[/QUOTE]Similar thing happened to me a few years back in Rio. During the Help / Terraço Atlantica days I used to stay at the same flat on Rua Bolivar & Avenida Atlantica. I was there so often the little old lady down the hall thought I lived there. Few times I helped her carry her bags home from the mercado. Anyway, once I was coming back from a day at the beach. The porteiro buzzed me in, he was all animated, smiling from grinning from ear-to-ear (imagine your dog when you come in the house and it's been home alone all day). Thought that was a tad odd, but then the porteiro struck me as being a kid who rode the short yellow to Special Ed class.

I get upstairs, one of my regulars in my flat. She's wearing lingerie, lounging on the sofa and watching Seinfeld dubbed in Portuguese. There was a baked chicken in the oven, black beans, rice in warming on the range, and a humongous bowl of grapes, sliced mangoes, papaya, and watermelon in the fridge. Also a bottle of Vinho Verde in the freezer. She stayed for a few days. Later, I asked the porteiro why he let her in, he said, "she said, she was your girlfriend. " Normally I'd of complained to the flat manager but I let it slid, the chick was actually one of the cooler ones.

Any of you OGs remember Carmem Helena? She got married and lives with some rich Italian guy in Niteroi.

This is Carmem Helena, sorry posted report w / o the foto.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2526052]This is Carmem Helena, sorry posted report w / o the foto.[/QUOTE]Hope her husband does not see this.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2526052]This is Carmem Helena, sorry posted report w / o the foto.[/QUOTE]The problem with a woman built like that is she might get an offer from Tampa Bay or Kansas City at any moment and you would never see her again.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2526373]The problem with a woman built like that is she might get an offer from Tampa Bay or Kansas City at any moment and you would never see her again.[/QUOTE]True that. But would she be a wide receiver or a tight end? .

She was about 1. 52 cm and 65 kg at the time. Granted these photos are about 10 yrs + old. Say what you must, to each his own. One man's garbage is another man's treasure.

At the end of the day I still prefer them short and compact (preferably, drunk, naked, & wet in my bed)!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2526448]True that. But would she be a wide receiver or a tight end? .

She was about 1. 52 cm and 65 kg at the time. Granted these photos are about 10 yrs + old. Say what you must, to each his own. One man's garbage is another man's treasure.

At the end of the day I still prefer them short and compact (preferably, drunk, naked, & wet in my bed)!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I need to still be able to hear the music when they are sitting on my face.

Most of the women I prefer are those in which my Brazilian friends have no interest. As a result, when we are out, we never fight over women which makes its all good. I am not much into getting women drunk either. I prefer that they are fully cognizant of all the pleasure they are about to receive. Like you said, to each his own. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2526373]The problem with a woman built like that is she might get an offer from Tampa Bay or Kansas City at any moment and you would never see her again.[/QUOTE]I think she would fit in with the Queefs more so than the Fuckaneers.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2526448]She was about 1. 52 cm and 65 kg at the time. Granted these photos are about 10 yrs + old. Say what you must, to each his own. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. At the end of the day I still prefer them short and compact.[/QUOTE]Match up to body type. If you're as wide as you are tall, that one could be the perfect fit.

Personal preference derived from years of statistically significant sample size is 7:4 weight ratio.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2526448]Say what you must, to each his own. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. At the end of the day I still prefer them short and compact.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]We all can have very different tastes, and that's alright. That's what makes the world spin. Not my type, but you paid for that tute, and we didn't LOL! Do what you like.

Staying 1 week in both cities although not as extensive as other here on the board has given me some insight that maybe other newcomers will find helpful.

(I came here beginning of Jan so C19 lockdown was in effect and most girls were on vacation / coming back from vacation; so that has to be noted while writing this).

It's hard to compare the two since they are both radically different but the scene is what we really are comparing here.

RIO.

Termas (Suana House / FKKs) / Boates (Clubs) / Prives ("Massages") Acompanhantes (Barras VIP, Private55, etc).

Never been to a Terma or FKK so interesting new experience. It's decent but I was expecting them to be a bit more luxurious. Monte Carlo, Solarium, Centaraus, 4 x4 all follow the same format of 2nd floor being the bar area where the girls hang out, 3rd is where rooms are. You change in the 1st usually with a locker to store your stuff. The Bar area is always small so once you enter all eyes are on you especially if you're the only guy there which happened to me a few times. I like to sit down, drink a bit and scan the room and see my options but that's hard to do when all the girls are ready to pounce on you to get you to go with them. You have to be a bit jaded and straightforward with them if you're not interested. I learned that most if not all termas don't let the girls have their phones with them when they are on the job so they really are bored sometimes because all they can do is sit and stand and wait til someone talks to them. Also from talking to some girls there outside the termas some girls only get one guy or 2 on their 8 hour shift so that's like 230 to 460 BRL so getting their number to do more stuff is the key as sometimes they don't get any guys at all some night so they like to get what they can get. Rooms are small and just ok so best to get their number to go to a better love hotel or your hotel / airbnb. Centaurus seems to have the best looking girls but all the girls I talked to wanted a drink but were generally friendly. Also they have a girl escort you upstairs so you have a guide to show you the ropes which is nice. It's the most expensive out of all the termas it's like 600 BRL for entrance, room and a girl for 40 minutes and then 400?BRL for girls and room after that, something like that. They charge an extra 120 BRL if you use a card as well so best to bring cash. Got a girls number here and she was super friendly so good girls here. I personally liked Solarium /4 x4 the best for the price and quality of girls.

Didn't go to any Boates here but heard it's a mixed bag so you just have to try your luck.

Prives seems to be the cheapest out of all the options and seems to be ok. 200 BRL for an hour on average. Similar to Clinicas in SP but you can tell these don't get much traffic as the SP clinicas do.

You get a decent massage included.

Would check out for the cheap price and line up is ok.

Acompanhantes here is easy to find as most are in barra in the transamerica hotel. Good selection but the girls are constantly rotating (the ones I found more interesting) so it's hard to find your girl if you have someone in mind sometimes. There are some regular girls here of course but some girls appear for a few days and disappear so you have to be ready to strike when you get your chance. 300 to 600 BRL is the asking. If you're in barra and they are in copa (or vice versa) they will ask for UBER which I find understandable as it is a 35 min drive. If you stick to the trust worthy sites you should be fine I didn't get burn once using barras vip or private55.

SAO PAULO.

Clinicas ("massage"/ Incall escorts) / Boates (Nightclubs) / Online girls (Private55, MClass, etc).

Clinicas are the best value I've seen so far. Miruna, Abbobora, Carinas, enjoy spa are all within walking distance so if you don't like one line up you can walk a few blocks and find another. 230 BRL is the average with 460 BRL for 2 girls. Line ups are usually good with a 8+ girls usually in rotation. Rooms are medium size and decent. Always best to get a girls whatsapp if you're interested. The girls here also have alot of passion which makes it all the more worth it.

Boates I've went to was scandallo and loved it! It definitely is one of / if not the top clubs in the world. It is very luxurious and is really like fantasy movie. 300 BRL to enter with 150 BRL of that going towards food or drink of your choice. Girls can range from 500 to 1000 BRL so it's really how good of a negotiator you are. Room is 230 BRL with a mega room being 260 (never saw that room but for 30 more I would check it out) if you take two girls you have to pay double for your room. Stupid I know. So you're looking at 1100 BRL if you do everything right. Pretty expensive compared to the clinicas where you can get a 3 some for 460 BRL. I will say though, the food and drinks are good and extensive and so are the girls. When you go up the elevator to the 2nd floor there are tons of girls there. There is usally 50+ girls on any given night. Asians girls, brancas, loiras, ruvias, spinners, tall, short, skinny, thick (very few black girls tho) so really it's just a nice diverse crowd. Girls don't approach you, you have to talk or wave them to you. So no one is pressuring you, you can just eat, drink and scan for the right girl. The girls also don't seem to ask for drinks which is cool. I didn't speak any portuguese but they all tried their best to keep the conversation going. You really get to get a sense of their personality which is a real big plus. I'm used to luxurious incall places in Montreal or Barcelona and I find this fantasy nightclub one step further which just enhances your experience. You feel like ryan gosling or george clooney picking up a hot chick who just wants to bang you. It is expensive compared to anything in Brazil but it definitely sells you a one of a kind experience you won't ever get anywhere else (unless you're super hot and rich, then carry on).

I would do the clinicas in the day time and after 10 pm which is when you would want to go to scandollo I go there. A good mix of fun.

Online girls I've found to be all over. They would appear and disappear on and off. It seems the rate was 400 to 600 BRL. I had some luck with MClass, private55 and SPLove. It's really just checking up everyday to see if the girl you want appears or not. Clinica girls usually settle for 300 BRL so honestly if you're looking for something consistent I would go that route. I would luck it out tho you can definitely find some great talent you just have to put the work in and you will be rewarded. Don't use photoacompanhantes they always do a bait and switch. You can still fuck the switch girl but it's never the same girl and it's just being lied to that makes it all scummy. Use the 3 sites I listed to not get scammed out of your time and money.

CONCLUSION.

I found that I liked the SP scene a bit better. The no commitment / entrance fee line ups at the clinicas mixed with the luxury fantasy land of scandollo (plus daytime-clinicas nighttime-scandollo) scenario really makes it a solid play. Plus SP has tons of Luxury high rise AirBNBs that are listed for $40 a night makes it a really top notch experience.

BUT.

There is almost nothing to do in SP (unless you guys can recommend some fun things to do) except eat and shop. Its a huge metropolis so you really have to look.

The girls here seem to be really business minded. Never got to meet a girl for fun or pernoite so was a bummer. I know it happens so I just may have to wish for better luck next time.

I found RIO to be a much better relaxation / vacation location with good girls. You can't beat the views and activities you can do here. Hiking, swimming, sailing, paragliding, etc. You can find a diverse bunch of girls here (not much spinners but black girls for sure than SP) and they are much friendlier and playful. You definitely can spend a whole day with a girl here and have a good time without having sex which says a lot about the city.

BUT.

Not a fan of the small spaces of the termas.

Not many luxury airbnbs in copa / Ipa (there are a ton in barra but that's a 35 min drive plus they are usually not by the beach).

I will come back again and most likely do another week in both cities because they both offer their unique pros which I like and don't want to miss out.

Just my 2 cents if I'm missing anything let me know.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2525964]Before my recent trip to SP, I would have never found this believable, but the fantasy happened to me, for the first time in my life.

A hot chick I met at a clinica sent me an unusual text, not your usual 'when are you coming back to see me'. I usually block these annoying types, but this one piqued my interest enough that I responded, and this set in motion a sequence of events that led her to spend every night at my joint for a whole week, till I left. She was very affectionate and obviously infatuated, always found an excuse to leave work early to come to my place. Always holding hands when in public, or doing the shoulder-waist combo. On my last days she insisted on spending the whole day with me, she didn't go to work. Showed me some nice places in SP.

Best part, she flatly refused my money. Tried a few times to slide her 'taxi / Uber fare' but she declined, saying the muito affection I gave her was worth all the money in the world.

She was very well mannered, obviously from a decent background. No tats or noticeable makeup, no provocative attire, just your regular hot chick giving her best to me for (apparently) nothing in return. She indicated she's been in the game for only 2 months. Can't verify such, but she seemed on the honest side.

And just to clarify, I am not a head turner, not rich, not flashy, and far from being a player. I am as vanilla as a dude can be. She spoke a few words of English, but it was 90% Google Translate. Note to self: learn Portuguese!

On a side note, the one thing I found strange was that the second afternoon she came over, the hotel reception just gave her a key to my room without even checking with me. Got me worried for a bit since I barely knew her by then, but turned out to be all good.

The whole experience felt real good. May be the best week I have had in my adult life.

Happy mongering my friends![/QUOTE]Glad to hear that! Was hoping lady luck would shine on me on my first trip to SP but alas it was not to be. Hopefully next time luck will be on my side!

This post gives me hope.

Hello everybody.

Soon I will visit Sao Paulo and plan to go to Scandalo and Bomboa. I speak (yes I am lucky) fluent Portuguese. Do the ladies go with you to your hotel room if you ask them? For how many hours? Is 24 hours possible? And what should be the fee and. Conversation to get them wiht you? Or is it easy and just ask?

Thanks for helping. Asking for a friend.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2526875]We all can have very different tastes, and that's alright. That's what makes the world spin. Not my type, but you paid for that tute, and we didn't LOL! Do what you like.[/QUOTE]She was one of my favs back in the day.

Once when I was living in DC I flew her up from Rio for a few weeks (she had a valid tourist visa), due to a last minute scheduling conflict I had to attend an infrastructure development conference at the World Bank. Talked my client into paying her under the table as my interpreter (she speaks Brazilian Portuguese, European Portuguese & the Afro-Portuguese dialect spoken in Angola). The two of us partied our asses off (while networking) at the after conference bash. We landed one of the the contracts, she travelled with me to Angola, again my client paid her for interpreter services.

We laughed about that shit for years!

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2527209]Hello everybody.

Soon I will visit Sao Paulo and plan to go to Scandalo and Bomboa. I speak (yes I am lucky) fluent Portuguese. Do the ladies go with you to your hotel room if you ask them? For how many hours? Is 24 hours possible? And what should be the fee and. Conversation to get them wiht you? Or is it easy and just ask?

Thanks for helping. Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]No they don't go to the hotel room with you no matter how much you beg them.

Max 20 minutes.

Fee? About 5 k per hour.

You need to pat them on their ass, maybe grab them by their dicks, that's all you need to do to get their attention. I might regret posting this.

Replying to the person too lazy to read with the readily available information.

Was in SP a week ago and just came back before the US restrictions came in place.

Got to meet up with Rovnak on a Monday afternoon and he very gladly brought me on a Clinica tour. I have never been to one because of being a skeptic, and because of seeing pictures of the talents that was posted here by some members, which always made me think It is of lower tier.

Mondays are usually slower days in Clinicas, and Rovnak has been a great guide and guy to hangout with. We went to Miruna, House 57, Abbodara, Moema Prime, Enjoy.

In my comparison of Clinicas and Boates, I find that they are both on the same level, in terms of quality. My standards are very very very high, so I am quite surprised at what I found at these Clinica lineups. You can find talents that suit all taste just like in boates like Scandallo in Clinicas. What you can't find though, are barbie dolls. Clinica's are more towards natural looking girls.

Whenever I see their whatsapp updates of who is available, I always see 2 or 3 that I would be interested in, might seem little, but 1 clinica maybe have only 7 to 10 available at a given time, as the clinica's can only fit that much.

One thing I dislike about Clinica's are their rooms, especially the one in Enjoy, which is tiny.

Price comparison to Scandallo is good too. Saw a girl in the Miruna Whatsapp announcement and decided to book her for 2 hours. Met her for 2 hours and got her whatsapp to setup time with her for another day. Wanted 600 Rs for 6 hours, which came as a surprised to me, as I'm used to paying $450-600 per hour. In Scandallo, Bomboa, Connection, she will be grabbed up pretty quickly if she were there, give that she is a 10 in the clinica and a 9 in any of those boates. Met her twice during my trip, and we had nice time exploring SP and going to restaurant. She told me boates and online escorts are very expensive, so she knows she could have asked for more.

Over the course of few days while I was there, saw a many more announcement from Whatsapp of Clinica's and there were many more 8 to 10 that I would like to meet, and is good looking enough to be Scandallo quality.

So for anyone that has never visited a Clinicas, give it another chance, these talents work in multiple Clinica's and use different names sometimes, so on your first try it might be a bad day, and they went to another Clinica to work. Clinica's will now be one of my options when I'm in SP.

Price and Quality wise, Clinica wins, logistically it loses as its not a place to hangout in except for House 57 which to me is a mini boates, and start popping in the evening. Nice place to go hangout if you don't want to pay for boates. Again, quality suits all taste.

I have to thank Rovnak for opening an option for me when I got bored of Boates. If anyone wants a guide Rovnak is the person to contact, cool and nice guy to talk and hangout with.

Also met with DukesFord and went to all the famous boates with. Scandallo on Monday, where the looks of my standard was quite lacking, as compared to Clinica's in the afternoon, Clinica's had the most that fits my scale of 10. Saw only 1 that is like a 8 that calls herself Jenny, and she drove a hard bargain, 1500 for 3 hours, as this was my first night I took it, and it was already 3 am. Discoteca was closed that day.

Next day, hit up Connection at about 11 pm, and I find that If Scandallo is open, there is no need to go to Connection. Few people, no one that suits my standards. Duke managed to find one he likes there and got a good deal from it, went to Gauguin but its closed. Found out it closes at 10 pm.

Wed night, Scandallo was at peak busy party atmosphere, saw plenty that fits my standards and for all kinds.

Thurs, took a visit with Duke to Lotus Club or former Cafe foto. It looks the same compared to the first time I went. Forgot that girls can't approach, and men have to call them to join for a chat. Sat at the dining table and this girl has been eyeing me the whole time I was there, interested in speaking with me. Duke said she is his type and motioned her to come sit with us. Had a fun conversation with her, as its not always that I want to pick a girl up, I like to just hangout and talk too. This cannot be done in FKK where you are constantly pestered into going to room, and everything they talk about is sex, money, and what they can do, and if they find you are not interested, they leave. Very business like.

That is why people who often post in Brasil saying SP is more business like etc, have not really experience what is business like until they visit FKK. In Brasil, you get to have normal conversation with them, and feel the vibe, chemistry etc, in FKK, you not interested in going to room right this instant, no one will bother talking to you, or you get to talk to them, but in every 1 minute they will ask you if you should go to room right now. So saying SP is more business like is not accurate.

When Duke asked me how much he should offer her, I told him to jokingly put in his translator 1200 for the whole night and see what is her reaction. The joke was on me as she agreed to it, very surprisingly. Did not expect this from a boates. She is at least a 8. 5 and I thought she would have laughed and countered higher, at least 1800 and above. FYI, this was around 12 am. Her looks, she can ask for 800 an hour. All I said to duke was WOOOOWW, you better take it!! I heard he had a great time with her the next day. I went to Scandallo alone, and the place was bustling.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2527274]...In my comparison of Clinicas and Boates, I find that they are both on the same level, in terms of quality. My standards are very very very high, so I am quite surprised at what I found at these Clinica lineups. You can find talents that suit all taste just like in boates like Scandallo in Clinicas.....[/QUOTE]Over to you Steve and The Cane.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2527430]Over to you Steve and The Cane.[/QUOTE]I've written on this many, many times before. Not going to do it again. To each his own.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2527265]No they don't go to the hotel room with you no matter how much you beg them.

Max 20 minutes.

Fee? About 5 k per hour.

You need to pat them on their ass, maybe grab them by their dicks, that's all you need to do to get their attention. I might regret posting this.

Replying to the person too lazy to read with the readily available information.[/QUOTE]Really helpful. Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2527209]Hello everybody.

Soon I will visit Sao Paulo and plan to go to Scandalo and Bomboa. I speak (yes I am lucky) fluent Portuguese. Do the ladies go with you to your hotel room if you ask them? For how many hours? Is 24 hours possible? And what should be the fee and. Conversation to get them wiht you? Or is it easy and just ask?

Thanks for helping. Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]As a Senior Member you should have known that asking questions as basic as this will get you sarcastic responses. Just read the forum pages since your answers are contained within them, you don't have to read far I can assure you but you got to put in the effort, We will know if you have or not based on your questions. Also as a SM you have be ability to read the forum posts and if necessary, if something piques your interest within a post you have the ability to Private Message the poster with follow-up question(s). Also if you do speak fluent Portuguese 99% of most members on the forum don't so you won't get any sympathy here.

I will help a little on your questions? Answer Yes and Yes and how much are you willing to pay.

Also since your going to visit SP and plan on going to Scandalo and Bomboa we all expect you to Contribute-Post your detailed experience on this forum.

Please do not send me PM / follow-up questions.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;1890247]Hello,

I am going to visit Sao Paulo in 2 weeks time. Can anybody help them with the best clubs in Sao Paulo, I like a club with many girls and very high quality 7-8-9 out of 10. I speak fluent Portuguese so that is not an issue. Or if you have a name of very good easygoing high level escort is great too, thanks so much for helping out.

Obrigado.[/QUOTE]Dude,

You supposedly visited in 2016. Supposedly revisited in 2018. Asked the same questions both times and now are asking again in 2020? Things that make you go "hmmm."

[QUOTE=TheCane;2527466]I've written on this many, many times before. Not going to do it again. To each his own.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. You have definitely whetted my appetite for me to sample some Scandallo. Kinda kicking myself now for not having done that in any of my past visits as present circumstances do not portend for me seeing SP anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2527274]
Whenever I see their whatsapp updates of who is available, I always see 2 or 3 that I would be interested in, might seem little, but 1 clinica maybe have only 7 to 10 available at a given time, as the clinica's can only fit that much.

One thing I dislike about Clinica's are their rooms, especially the one in Enjoy, which is tiny.

Price comparison to Scandallo is good too. Saw a girl in the Miruna Whatsapp announcement and decided to book her for 2 hours. Met her for 2 hours and got her whatsapp to setup time with her for another day.[/QUOTE]I didn't know about the WhatsApp updates. I just went to each clinica within walking distance to see the line ups. I added their WhatsApp to my contacts but I don't see any of these updates you are talking about, maybe I'm missing something? If I had known about this I would have had a more efficient schedule LOL also didn't check some of the clinicas you mentioned so heck of a lot clinicas within walking distance which makes the clinicas a real winner for day time fun.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2527759]I didn't know about the WhatsApp updates. I just went to each clinica within walking distance to see the line ups. I added their WhatsApp to my contacts but I don't see any of these updates you are talking about, maybe I'm missing something? If I had known about this I would have had a more efficient schedule LOL also didn't check some of the clinicas you mentioned so heck of a lot clinicas within walking distance which makes the clinicas a real winner for day time fun.[/QUOTE]You would need to message them and tell them to include you in their contacts. That way they will post stories in their story tab in whatsapp, and you would be able to see it. Without them in your contact, you can't see it.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2527775]You would need to message them and tell them to include you in their contacts. That way they will post stories in their story tab in whatsapp, and you would be able to see it. Without them in your contact, you can't see it.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. Never heard of this in the forum until now so a real good tip!

I didn't check out lotus club but I should have since it sounds like a cheaper and relaxed atmosphere than Scandallo which I liked but definitely nice to have an alternative as I saw the same girls for the most part every night more or less.

Lotus Club I heard is in the location that Cafe Photo used to be.

But Cafe Photo just has a new address?

Vila Olímpia, Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Itaim Bibi, São Paulo. SP, 04553-010, Brazil.

If it's just at a new location I also saw some pictures of the place online and like the layout of the place too.

I didn't go to connections because it was pretty far and scandallo is closer but I saw its more of a nightclub setting so not my vibe.

I like to just sit, eat and chat with some girls in a relaxed environment and Scandallo, Lotus and Cafe (if it's still going) seem to be the place for someone like me.

Thanks for your reply.

I have been such a fan of the Clinica Tangara that after doing extensive research on all the other clinicas, I never really visited other clinicas! And, as others have already pointed out, there is something for everyone here. White, black, skinny, curvy, sassy, innocent. And all for just R170 an hour. But, the environment stressed me out--often times there are way too many johns hanging around to check out the stock as I do, and the rooms are basic. But, I found a gem on my last visit.

Gabi is 18 years old, dark skinned, slim, slightly saggy boobs, and has long labia meat curtains that will stretch to about 2 inches comfortably. She is deeply affectionate with very high GFE. Just my kind of girl. She can present as classy and demure and then slip into naughty. The first session at the Clinica Tangara, I waited about 40 minutes for her to finish off the previous customer. She does not rush. When I got to her, I had to use Google Translate the whole time, and she thought it was very amusing. She loves kissing, and playing. The way to this girl's heart is definitely sweet words and sincere compliments. But I was very tense and she could tell. I could not cum despite the amazing skills she demonstrated, and she did not want to be fingered and used a generous amount of lube.

I did get her WhatsApp and kindled a romance with her that brought her to my hotel room for R800 for the night. There, we lost our inhibitions and got into it early, but I could tell she was still performing for me. So I paused and invited her into a massage and share what my ground rules were (no faking, etc). Eventually, she trusted me enough to tell me she was actually very tired. I told her I could tell, and that she might have had her period recently as she is very try and sore and even with lube. She grinned for having been called out and shoved me gently. But then we cuddled and went to sleep. In the morning, rested, she resumed with a smoldering BBBJ that really got me off.

The next night, I invited her back, and I set it up so that she rest first since she had a long day at work. It was an excellent investment as by morning, she was ready to please me. She woke me with sounds of teeth brushing and then she returned to suck my dick to life. And she meant it too. Her huge eyes dilated in the dim light and lust. I tugged at her thigh and coaxed her into a 69. I lapped her without penetration until she sat up and bucked jerkily. She confirmed that she had an orgasm. She resumed the BBBJ until I came, and I leaned over to watch her lap me up--she stared at me lustily, then came up to kiss me. I could taste equal parts cum, pussy juice and her lips.

Over the last week, we really had to work on defining the boundaries--that this is work for her, as the GFE was so intense. But, to make the story concise, she comes to me when she wants to so that I can spoil her. Not always for money. Treat her well, and she might afford you the same privilege, brothers.

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Had to cancel plans to Floripa because of the US reentry requirements and could not stay long. So my whole week was spent in SP.

Friday, met with the Clinica girl for the whole afternoon, and also got the Scandallo girl together for a threesome. Both of them are 9/10. Like I said they both are same in attractiveness, except for price difference. 1 wants 700 for whole afternoon, 1 wants 1500 for 3 hours.

FYI my standards is rated below, so people can see what are my type, and I like taller girls.

[URL]https://www.spicyfire.com.br/ensaio.php?acessar=millene-sthepiake[/URL] 9- did not get to meet her, she was not in SP unfortunately.

And this online escort [URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes/sp/sao-paulo/pietra-ricci[/URL] 8 - met her one afternoon, and she speaks some English and use to work in London. Very nice person. What you see in the picture is how she looks, body etc, she is fit.

[URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/nick/[/URL] famous girl. But too many fake injections, surgery. A Barbie doll. In real life in person which I saw many times in her instagram, she is not that good looking. She is a 7.

[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes/sp/sao-paulo/megan-fox[/URL] - She is a 9, wanted to meet her, tried 3 times, once she was on her period, so she cancelled last minute, other was suppose to meet me in the afternoon, but when that time reaches she said she was at the salon and will be late. Had to cancel because I had other appointment.

I wished some of these girls would shave.

Eduarda Reis- SP love. Can't find link anymore. But she is from MG. Blonde, fake boobs. This girl is the kind of girl you find in FKK, all business, how to get more money from you, not the kind who knows how to keep regulars. In SP love, her face is blocked up, and I rarely call a girl who has her face blocked up.

She is a 7.5.

Got to only see 2 online escorts on this trip, because of lack of choices that fits my standards. Lucky I found a few in boates and clinicas.

Lotus Club is the former Café foto, same location. And new Café foto will not be open till March I think. Not sure new location.

Entrance to Lotus Club is $170 without consumer, I forgot what is the $150 for, as there are 2 prices on the price list.

There are English speaking waiters there, just look at their name badge, they put the flags of the languages they speak. Café foto is more of a relaxed atmosphere, where you need to tell the girls to approach you or they will never approach.

Was there on Saturday with my girl from Scandallo and Duke. The reception said we can check it out first as there was only few people there, and if we don't like it, we won't need to pay, and can leave. Decided to stay for a bit and have some dinner since all Restaurants are closed. Such a good time for them to close at 10 pm. Because of SP restrictions. While eating I counted only about 4 or 5 available, and a few guys occupied, talking. Once they left, it was only us 3 and 5 girls, standing there. We decided to leave back to Scandallo, once we stood up and walk down, all the other 5 girls left also. I felt bad about what I had seen. If I had more money like those rich millionaires, I would have invited them to come have a drink, hang out at some penthouse. Scandallo was busy, not as busy as weekdays, but much better than other clubs. $300 entrance, $150 before 7 pm.

Was there to just hangout as we had nowhere else to go. Skye bar lounge closes at 10, the other clubs and bars closes at 10, because of SP restrictions, and the restrictions does not go into effect until 2 days later. Wonder why they close so early so soon. But of course Scandallo and Connection is open till 4 am.

Imo it is not worth it to go to Connection if Scandallo is open, because the best from Connection comes to Scandallo, from what I seen and people I spoke to. Connection is much smaller, with only a stage, poles, restaurant and little casino, not worth it to travel so far.

Have never been to Gauguin but tried to. Duke said its not worth it to go and should scratch it out of my to go list.

There are few more clubs I missed, such as Imperium club, lovestory. Etc.

From my experience, the girls in Scandallo will always start from the highest price 1000/ HR same with other boates, but its up to you to counter offer them, till today, I have not paid for any for more than 600/ HR and even that is rare. Anything I missed or any questions I will gladly answer them.

I respect the site's authority but I request that you review this decision. My post was directed with respect to YonyTony69 and he actually PM'd me to THANK ME for the post. Please ask him. He was not offended at all, as he took my post in the manner it was intended, which was resepectful.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2528058]I respect the site's authority but I request that you review this decision. My post was directed with respect to YonyTony69 and he actually PM'd me to THANK ME for the post. Please ask him. He was not offended at all, as he took my post in the manner it was intended, which was resepectful.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I have visited many countries but the only girls I have posted pictures of on ISG have been Brazilians as I find they have the best bodies that I have come across. Most of the girls I have taken photos of have not wanted their faces in the photos but are fine with their nude bodies. These girls have parents, brothers, sisters, cousins and other relatives and friends who do not know that they sell their bodies for sex and who they do not want to know that they do that. Even if a working girl allows me to photograph her face I will never publish it because doing that can only be to her detriment. We are on this board to share information on meeting women but I think every effort should be made to respect and protect them.

Surely one ought, at the very least, to have the working girl´s permission to post her face on this website and whenever he does so he ought to state that he has such permission.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2528344]I have visited many countries but the only girls I have posted pictures of on ISG have been Brazilians as I find they have the best bodies that I have come across. Most of the girls I have taken photos of have not wanted their faces in the photos but are fine with their nude bodies. These girls have parents, brothers, sisters, cousins and other relatives and friends who do not know that they sell their bodies for sex and who they do not want to know that they do that. Even if a working girl allows me to photograph her face I will never publish it because doing that can only be to her detriment. We are on this board to share information on meeting women but I think every effort should be made to respect and protect them.

Surely one ought, at the very least, to have the working girls permission to post her face on this website and whenever he does so he ought to state that he has such permission.[/QUOTE]Thank you Turgid. That is in keeping with what I posted. So I do not understand why my post was removed and I was given an infraction. I was not discouraging anyone from posting. YonoTony69 thanked me for the suggestion and adjusted his post accordingly.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2528058]I respect the site's authority but I request that you review this decision. My post was directed with respect to YonyTony69 and he actually PM'd me to THANK ME for the post. Please ask him. He was not offended at all, as he took my post in the manner it was intended, which was resepectful.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Rovnak and Turgid.

I am the noob here, and appreciate the guidance. I most certainly do not want to inconvenience or endanger the girls--I was swept up in the moment wanting to showcase her beauty. But given the insight provided by both Rovnak and Turgid, certainly not worth the drama from being found out by family. So, lesson learned. Thank you.

Does anybody have the latest re restrictions in Sao Paulo? Doing a bit of research it looks like SP is going into yellow phase? Anybody know what this means, for places like Scandallo? How about going to malls, restaurants, etc? Any broader restrictions to be aware of, aside from having to take a test to enter the US?

Thinking of finally taking the leap and going to Brazil this weekend or week after.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2529344]Does anybody have the latest re restrictions in Sao Paulo? Doing a bit of research it looks like SP is going into yellow phase? Anybody know what this means, for places like Scandallo? How about going to malls, restaurants, etc? Any broader restrictions to be aware of, aside from having to take a test to enter the US?

Thinking of finally taking the leap and going to Brazil this weekend or week after.[/QUOTE]Went from red to yellow, so good news. From what a girl told me then even during the red phase this didn't affect clinicas. I remember the red phase impacting opening times, like restaurants not letting any more people in after 8 pm and shopping malls closing at 4 pm on bank holidays. There was some peak traffic between 8 pm and 9 pm as customers got flushed out of places.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2529344]Does anybody have the latest re restrictions in Sao Paulo? Doing a bit of research it looks like SP is going into yellow phase? Anybody know what this means, for places like Scandallo? How about going to malls, restaurants, etc? Any broader restrictions to be aware of, aside from having to take a test to enter the US?

Thinking of finally taking the leap and going to Brazil this weekend or week after.[/QUOTE]Red phase made no difference to big clubs except they used side entrances. Clinicas as normal. Malls & restaurants now back to 10 pm close as Red phase is over. Take the leap you won't regret it. PM if you come down.

Entrance Fee 157 for consumption, all day every day not open on weekends.

Rooms look exactly like old location, can't remember the fee.

Live music, upstairs tables to sit and smoke. Same exact menu as before except for entrees, mostly bar food.

10-40 Girls depending on the time of the day, IMO 5 doable. Saw one that use to work at Scandallo, she quickly accepted 500 R, probably go for 400 R. She told me she likes the flexible schedule versus Scandallo where girls need to be there 5 days a week or pay a fine.

I can see more girls migrating over but there were maybe 15 guys when I went on a Thursday night. It's right across the street from Marriott Apt so may be once the pandemic is over there will be more gringos there.

I would go back to see the other 4 doable girls I saw there.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2529890]Entrance Fee 157 for consumption, all day every day not open on weekends..[/QUOTE]Think you will find it is open on Saturdays.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2529890]Live music, upstairs tables to sit and smoke. Same exact menu as before except for entrees, mostly bar food.[/QUOTE]Actually, it is the same exact menu, they quit serving entrees at 23:00 hrs and revert to the bar food menu. My personal fav: the bolinhos de bacalhau!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2530022]Actually, it is the same exact menu, they quit serving entrees at 23:00 hrs and revert to the bar food menu. My personal fav: the bolinhos de bacalhau!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Mine too. Only thing I eat at Mabs also.

Does anybody remember the old establishment (private casa) redway?

I can't remember the name of the ladty who owns it. Dies anybody know who I mean?

She opened some other casas after Redway, and I always lied the vibe.

Altobomgosto would know for sure but I sadly hear he passed. Condolences to his friends / fam.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2532965]Does anybody remember the old establishment (private casa) redway?

I can't remember the name of the ladty who owns it. Dies anybody know who I mean?

.[/QUOTE]The casa was listed on GPguia as Vani's Redway I think.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2532979]The casa was listed on GPguia as Vani's Redway I think.[/QUOTE]That's it. Thanks! IS she (Vani?) still in the business?

I visited another casa she ran about 2 years after Redway closed, but that's the last time I explored the scene in SP. I want to get back ASAP.

Thanks again bud.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2532979]The casa was listed on GPguia as Vani's Redway I think.[/QUOTE]Vani's Way and Redway were two different prives. Vani's Way was at Rua Dom Antonio Galvo 266 and Redway was at Rua Machado de Assis, 449 - Vila Mariana.

Vani also apparently at some point ran Tangara and Yankin.

About 5 years ago I went a large clinica but can't remember the name of it, maybe in Vila Olimpia. It was not too far from The Palms.

All I remember is that it was a block away from a large paderia and the line up was about 25 girls.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2530293]Mine too. Only thing I eat at Mabs also.[/QUOTE]I think that's their most selling product for that time at near 11.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2521172]Just left from SP and had a good time. I've been posting alot on the SP forum and will be posting a lengthy post of my experience. First time in Brazil and In Rio so was looking for some advice. I will be posting my experience of course.

I really like Scandello (price tho was pretty high but it was classy) and the Boates in SP. Any places like that in Rio? Also am looking for some petite spinners and / or pale girls. I'm staying in Barra for 1 day and copa til the 18th.

1.

So far used Private55 to get a blond chick named Angel to my Airbnb in Barra. She wanted $600. I gave her $400 + Uber. She agreed.

Cute face with braces and alot of blush make up to give her that sexy doll look. Tanned with tan lines of course. Really nice girl and was very eager. Had a couple of back acne but nothing too bad. Finished on her face and she was happy with that. She did come to my condo with the most obvious clothing which got us some looks as I brought her up thru security.[/QUOTE]The prices you wrote are in US dollar or Brasil real?

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2527089]CONCLUSION.

I found that I liked the SP scene a bit better. The no commitment / entrance fee line ups at the clinicas mixed with the luxury fantasy land of scandollo (plus daytime-clinicas nighttime-scandollo) scenario really makes it a solid play. Plus SP has tons of Luxury high rise AirBNBs that are listed for $40 a night makes it a really top notch experience.

BUT.

There is almost nothing to do in SP (unless you guys can recommend some fun things to do) except eat and shop. Its a huge metropolis so you really have to look.

The girls here seem to be really business minded. Never got to meet a girl for fun or pernoite so was a bummer. I know it happens so I just may have to wish for better luck next time.

I found RIO to be a much better relaxation / vacation location with good girls. You can't beat the views and activities you can do here. Hiking, swimming, sailing, paragliding, etc. You can find a diverse bunch of girls here (not much spinners but black girls for sure than SP) and they are much friendlier and playful. You definitely can spend a whole day with a girl here and have a good time without having sex which says a lot about the city..[/QUOTE]I just wanted to say I appreciate the review, and I found pretty much the same things you did. I wonder if taking a sugar baby approach, finding one (or two) girl (s) and sticking with her / them, would make SP more fun. I am sure there is a lot of things to do that are not obvious to tourists like Rio is.

Here is the last post.

Prive Vani's Way (02-20-2021).

Rua Dom Antnio Galvo, Vila Gumercindo 266. 25+ Garotas. Prices: $ 100 for 1/2 hour and are $ 150 for 1 hour. Tel: (11) 2892-3644 - (11) 96954-6598. Monday to Saturday 10 am to 11 pm.
[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?t=118602&start=2190&__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=9b7142a57ae20d4b680350d19538e6dffb7b570a-1614187223-0-AW8m0MGCT_WlHygcjqo3M3NSuuAxyqWgoeKtd17QYYhSxBbo_y3ajh64SZdFOPSf7WQUCoolLNlHdZUyyqHGFpqdU1rW_H0StuyN9Vm0KrrUqX6m3q4Z66S4_W38gYOca4U8aRh7iy6MSQLKr3kQ0gSHeFPzIRV-Cv6ANYzYHyFxBjx1GzdenManf9bAX0lEW9SFv_i8J8LJK-p4LuQpGkSNL3GCsCKFj5k7A7eYxSaA-I5V3MvnZKoxAtmnz3Xn1Zea1Q1WeDlwyUPb0g0h9auIgl13Hc09-hPSLctXblETdWBm23zoCRpZQWIhuYaCL3zNUg5d8R-C6qM9JuudhHOGbCR54kfJgjSqrw0IK9vAWIeWdQ1A_kc9zMHbDxmRH3T4rjYe-2Pc0ug_Dma2fS_BlmPvn_dSbmdlPpCzF1ZbqtdIoSa6eeudYr4fBYzTRYC_z9Vp8iF_P_ygc8JyMLMo8fOXb_RRB-mnKZ0nBo0gRMsskD-1KfBmzvKUw4wo60s0n17LkjmMP0oBwCcaAcZM8OrXCY9LN2zeE_Vtbat2YY-SgYsXW8p0fA2JMSnn3Q[/URL] [URL]http://vanisway.com.br/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2532979]The casa was listed on GPguia as Vani's Redway I think.[/QUOTE]

It is not Redway.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2534667]Here is the last post.

Prive Vani's Way (02-20-2021).

Rua Dom Antnio Galvo, Vila Gumercindo 266. 25+ Garotas. Prices: $ 100 for 1/2 hour and are $ 150 for 1 hour. Tel: (11) 2892-3644 - (11) 96954-6598. Monday to Saturday 10 am to 11 pm.
[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]
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Are. Machado de Assis, 449 - Vila Mariana. Prices: are $ 100,00 - 30 Min. Tel: (11) 2532 4299. Hours: _.

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=96&p=2607420&hilit=vani[/URL]+redway#p2607420.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2535021]Are. Machado de Assis, 449 - Vila Mariana. Prices: are $ 100,00 - 30 Min. Tel: (11) 2532 4299. Hours: _.

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=96&p=2607420&hilit=vani[/URL]+redway#p2607420.[/QUOTE]IS this THE Redway? I used ti visit a Redway back in the day. Loved it. Can; t remember the name of the lady who owned / managed it. But the vibe was great. Many parties and some fun ladies.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2527089]...There is almost nothing to do in SP (unless you guys can recommend some fun things to do) except eat and shop. Its a huge metropolis so you really have to look.....[/QUOTE]On a Sunday morning I used to head over to Ibirapuera Park, it was a smorgasbord of visual delights and a place to practice your Portuguese if you successfully zoom in on something that meets your fancy.
Be aware that the covid-19 situation may have had a negative impact.

[QUOTE=Napht;2534563]The prices you wrote are in US dollar or Brasil real?[/QUOTE]Yes it's all in Brazilian reals.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2534655]I just wanted to say I appreciate the review, and I found pretty much the same things you did. I wonder if taking a sugar baby approach, finding one (or two) girl (s) and sticking with her / them, would make SP more fun. I am sure there is a lot of things to do that are not obvious to tourists like Rio is.[/QUOTE]Yes I think for SP that is the way to go tbh. There were a few girls I could have just stick with since they seemed to enjoy my company but I ended up just playing the numbers game and getting as many girls as I could fit in a day. If you hook up with a nice local girl I'm sure she'll be able to show you all the cool hidden stuff SP has to offer. Seems to be deal from the other reports I've read.

Good luck 🤞.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2535906]On a Sunday morning I used to head over to Ibirapuera Park, it was a smorgasbord of visual delights and a place to practice your Portuguese if you successfully zoom in on something that meets your fancy.
Be aware that the covid-19 situation may have had a negative impact.[/QUOTE]Yes the park was great! I stopped by for an afternoon stroll and enjoyed it! Couldn't use the bikes because my phone wouldn't let me download the local bike app so that sucked. I stopped by the afro museum and museum of modern arts. Planetarium was closed unfortunately.

My portugués was limited (I speak spanish) so I didn't try to talk to any local girls at the park (I'm not a big fan of using Google translate heavily it feels very awkward and jagged, learning portuguese at the moment tho).

Definitely would make a stop at the park a must.

Got in from Rio late in the afternoon Tuesday and got cleaned up and headed straight for scans. For some reason I thought the cover cutoff was 7:30 not 7 so figured I would save 150, failed at that. Their whatsapp says that they will close at 11 so it was pretty stocked with girls at 7:30, though as conversations with girls and staff went on there didn't seem to really be any consensus on when closing would be under lockdown, it was still bumping at 11:25 when I left. What was interesting is that they are being more clandestine about the exit and had be go around a side door they had apparently directed my uber driver too who pulled right up and hopped in and off we go. Keeping a low profile. They also closed off most of the outdoor section about 9:30 when they opened up inside, I would assume to keep the noise from outside down and again more on the QT.

Plenty of talent and there is a bit more of a desperate feeling from the girls since they know their hours may be limited so had to beat quite a few away, even when sitting eating at restaurant. Sushi is decent if you need some food in my experience. In the end I went blondish, instead of normal dark hair more asian like girls and didn't will choose well. She had super cute face and long legs, but wasn't much beyond that to report on. I should have disqualified her when I found out she had a kid. Nothing against that MILF type, just not what I am looking for there and not at that price point. So swing and a miss for night 1. I did use the time to work on targets for the remaining nights here, particular one edgy looking nymph with a spider tattoo in the middle of her chest which sparked my interest as I was headed out.

If there is anyone in town want to wingman up at scans or hit some clinicas hit me up.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2537015]Got in from Rio late in the afternoon Tuesday and got cleaned up and headed straight for scans. For some reason I thought the cover cutoff was 7:30 not 7 so figured I would save 150, failed at that. Their whatsapp says that they will close at 11 so it was pretty stocked with girls at 7:30, though as conversations with girls and staff went on there didn't seem to really be any consensus on when closing would be under lockdown, it was still bumping at 11:25 when I left. What was interesting is that they are being more clandestine about the exit and had be go around a side door they had apparently directed my uber driver too who pulled right up and hopped in and off we go. Keeping a low profile. They also closed off most of the outdoor section about 9:30 when they opened up inside, I would assume to keep the noise from outside down and again more on the QT.

Plenty of talent and there is a bit more of a desperate feeling from the girls since they know their hours may be limited so had to beat quite a few away, even when sitting eating at restaurant. Sushi is decent if you need some food in my experience. In the end I went blondish, instead of normal dark hair more asian like girls and didn't will choose well.[/QUOTE]The reason they became so discreet after 10 pm is because a journalist secretly filmed inside with hidden camera, and its then reported on news channel. Saying they remained open while everything is closed when on restrictions.

All you need is 1 to ruin everything.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2535020]It is not Redway.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Is this the same "Vani" as the Vani who owned Redway back in the day, and other establishments as well?

I always liked her joints. If this is her, please tell. I want to see what kind of operation she runs these days!

SP is on lockdown for 2 weeks but many think it might get extended. Most clubs are closed including Scandallo. But their sister club Connection is open. Some clinics are open.

Plenty of action still, just need to hunt around.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2538827]SP is on lockdown for 2 weeks but many think it might get extended. Most clubs are closed including Scandallo. But their sister club Connection is open. Some clinics are open.

Plenty of action still, just need to hunt around.[/QUOTE]Connection open normal hours Monday to Thursday only, Friday. Saturday only 2 pm-9 pm.

Bahamas is open as normal, but line up was disappointing at less then 40 girls this Friday night.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2538827]SP is on lockdown for 2 weeks but many think it might get extended. Most clubs are closed including Scandallo. But their sister club Connection is open. Some clinics are open.

Plenty of action still, just need to hunt around.[/QUOTE]Lockdown extended to end of March, many think it will get extended to next month.

Honestly the 9 pm curfew in Rio hasn't been that bad since the cariocas here are rebels. But is SP still worth a visit for a few days? I'm in Rio right now and I really want to eat good Japanese food and bang a few Japanese / Brazilians. Thanks for the reports!

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2540023]Lockdown extended to end of March, many think it will get extended to next month.[/QUOTE]One way to beat the lockdown in Sao Paulo is to fly in a regular from Rio and spend the weekend out of town. This is Dada, we spent the weekend in Paraty.

[QUOTE=LRonHoyabembe;2540559]Honestly the 9 pm curfew in Rio hasn't been that bad since the cariocas here are rebels. But is SP still worth a visit for a few days? I'm in Rio right now and I really want to eat good Japanese food and bang a few Japanese / Brazilians. Thanks for the reports![/QUOTE]In Rio ATM and besides masks and curfew it's pretty much in full swing, It looks like SP is a lot more restrictive?

[URL]https://noticias.uol.com.br/saude/ultimas-noticias/redacao/2021/03/14/fase-emergencial-mais-restritiva-comeca-no-estado-de-sp-nesta-segunda.htm[/URL]

Anyone on the ground can attest? I understand scandallo and boates are closed, hows the rest of the scene (prives, cheap shit) looking?

Cheers,

JW.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2540745]Anyone on the ground can attest? I understand scandallo and boates are closed, hows the rest of the scene (prives, cheap shit) looking?

Cheers,

JW.[/QUOTE]Connections which was open till 4 am last week Monday till Thursday got closed down last night before 22.00, they have now said they will close at 20.00. Tangara have also changed closing time to 20.00, a lot less girls on the roaster today then yesterday or last week. Police taking things seriously this time around. Back to looks like the best option.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2540636]One way to beat the lockdown in Sao Paulo is to fly in a regular from Rio and spend the weekend out of town. This is Dada, we spent the weekend in Paraty.[/QUOTE]Not quite breakfast at Tiffany's, but I like your version better. Hot date, very cool breakfast tray on the water and a very nice signature boss move.

Thanks for sharing!

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2541046]Connections which was open till 4 am last week Monday till Thursday got closed down last night before 22.00, they have now said they will close at 20.00. Tangara have also changed closing time to 20.00, a lot less girls on the roaster today then yesterday or last week. Police taking things seriously this time around. Back to looks like the best option.[/QUOTE]Connection was packed with girls? Many girls from Scandallo went to over to Connection since Scandallo is closed. Scandallo girls told me some girls in Connection go for 200 R so they ask no more than 500 R when they usually get more at Scandallo. They may go for less since things are tight, many girls that work at Scandallo have monthly bills of 10 k or more a month.

Just like the first lockdown last year the top girls either got a boyfriend sugar daddy or have fixed clients that they see. So that the leaves the others having to go to Connection or somewhere else which means these girls are the cream of the crop.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541110]Not quite breakfast at Tiffany's, but I like your version better. Hot date, very cool breakfast tray on the water and a very nice signature boss move.

Thanks for sharing![/QUOTE]Due to C-19 the place was maybe at 25% capacity. You can negotiate a damn good price. The staff was bending over backward to get you whatever you wanted and not to mention being super, super, super friendly (had I not brought a date I'd of been trying to do the maid! We stayed 4 days, at check out they gave us a voucher for first / last day free on our next visit of 6 days+ within a year. What a country!

Cheers!

Due to corvis I prefer to get a girl for long term. Is it possible to get a chic for a long term deal? 18-22. She stays at your place and get paid for 6700-9000 brazil reals? If yes where I can find a good place to hit? Thanks up in front.

[QUOTE=Napht;2541836]Due to corvis I prefer to get a girl for long term. Is it possible to get a chic for a long term deal? 18-22. She stays at your place and get paid for 6700-9000 brazil reals? If yes where I can find a good place to hit? Thanks up in front.[/QUOTE]Is it possible to have a girl for long term? If yes where I go and what's the rates?

[QUOTE=Napht;2542561]Is it possible to have a girl for long term? If yes where I go and what's the rates?[/QUOTE]Tinder or Seeking should yield your desire. Negotiate with your girl of choice.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2540745]In Rio ATM and besides masks and curfew it's pretty much in full swing, It looks like SP is a lot more restrictive?

[URL]https://noticias.uol.com.br/saude/ultimas-noticias/redacao/2021/03/14/fase-emergencial-mais-restritiva-comeca-no-estado-de-sp-nesta-segunda.htm[/URL]

Anyone on the ground can attest? I understand scandallo and boates are closed, hows the rest of the scene (prives, cheap shit) looking?

Cheers,

JW.[/QUOTE]Over 1,000 dead from COVID-19 in SP over the last 24 hours. If you are not vaccinated, I would suggest avoiding SP right now.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2543521]Over 1,000 dead from COVID-19 in SP over the last 24 hours. If you are not vaccinated, I would suggest avoiding SP right now.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should exercise at least a bit of skepticism with everything you read or hear on the news.

Has Brazil started a vaccine program? Or is it a matter of the First World countries getting first crack at the vaccines?

[QUOTE=Messiah69;2543568]Maybe you should exercise at least a bit of skepticism with everything you read or hear on the news.[/QUOTE]Fair point. But note that this number was reported for the state, not the metropolitan area (which has about half the state's population).

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-idUSKBN2BF1X0[/URL]

I don't think the numbers are very surprising, even the local news reported close to 700 deaths a week ago, and things are surely getting worse.

[URL]https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2021/03/16/estado-de-sp-bate-recorde-e-registra-679-novas-mortes-por-covid-19-em-24h.ghtml[/URL]

On [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

I notice a lot of apparently attractive, young SP girls advertising for 100 reals. Is it worthwhile traveling to visit them and check them out? Are these actually good quality girls offering "COVID discounts" because there is so little demand?

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2543750]On [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

I notice a lot of apparently attractive, young SP girls advertising for 100 reals. Is it worthwhile traveling to visit them and check them out? Are these actually good quality girls offering "COVID discounts" because there is so little demand?[/QUOTE]Not worth constantly spamming a forum either. In case some of you do not read the Rio threads, this same troll has been leaving his turds all over it. Best to hold your breath and ignore the stench.

Yesterday I meet Gabi in Sao Paulo. One of the best massage therapists I have ever met. After de massage, she lay on my body and started rubbing herself on me, all naked.

Then we have a wonderful sex! Oh, my God! She 's amazing, with a great body and very naughty.

I do recommend her when you go to Sao Paulo / Brazil.

I find her on Ellas [URL]https://www.ellasmassagistas.com.br/model/gabi/[/URL].

You will not regret. She is a very liberal brunette and gives an amazing blowjob.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Messiah69;2543568]Maybe you should exercise at least a bit of skepticism with everything you read or hear on the news.[/QUOTE][URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/24/americas/brazil-youth-covid-19-intl-latam/index.html[/URL]

The virus is killing younger people in Brazil now.

Over 3000 dead yesterday.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2543602]Has Brazil started a vaccine program? Or is it a matter of the First World countries getting first crack at the vaccines?[/QUOTE]Worse. Until recently, the President was anti-vaccine.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2543750]On [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

I notice a lot of apparently attractive, young SP girls advertising for 100 reals. Is it worthwhile traveling to visit them and check them out? Are these actually good quality girls offering "COVID discounts" because there is so little demand?[/QUOTE]Combination c-19 discount and economic survival. Inflation is going thru the roof, small businesses are folding like beach chairs, petty crime is on the rise, and the president is an asshole.

Hi my friends,

What do you think about the risks of getting Covid (the variants) and getting really sick when going to Sao Paulo now after two doses of Pfizer vaccine one months ago?

I really want to go to Sao Paulo, but I am concerned to get covid variants. Another small concern is how to get food next two weeks when there.

Your advises would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

I really want to go to Sao Paulo now. I had two doses of Pfizer vaccine one month ago. Do you think it is safe for me to go? I am concerned about the P1 variant.

Your advises please, thanks.

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I will also add they are plans to install something like global communism to limit human movement. Travelling and your rights are going to be taken. You will not be able to travel without 'essential reason' and 'vaccine certificate'. I suspect they want to monetize travelling, to travel you will need to purchase 'carbon points' from not travelling people, it will get soon much more difficult and expensive to fly.

World is going to be dark, hopeless place with people living on UBI and having mostly virtual sex, chained to their cities and countries. The world as we know it is going to over soon.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2544454]Hi my friends,

What do you think about the risks of getting Covid (the variants) and getting really sick when going to Sao Paulo now after two doses of Pfizer vaccine one months ago?

I really want to go to Sao Paulo, but I am concerned to get covid variants. Another small concern is how to get food next two weeks when there.

Your advises would be much appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Daniel: preliminary data show that there is reason to be optimistic that the Pfizer vaccine will prevent you from getting very ill or die, even if infected with the P. 1 variant.

[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102017[/URL]

They took serum from 15 of your fellow vaccinees, and showed that the neutralization of the P. 1 variant was about the same as for your domestic strains of the virus. This is as good as one can hope for in such an experiment, but no guarantee by any means. It is true that lots of people do get re-infected in Brazil with P. 1, but we know that the immune response from vaccination is usually much better than the one you get from natural infection.

Since you ask for advice: go somewhere else. There are plenty of ways to fall ill besides COVID-19, and right now is not a good time to be dependent on a hospital bed in Brazil. Plus, chances are that everything will be shut down by the time you get there (assuming they will let you into the country in the first place). In case you didn't pay attention, Brazil set a national record yesterday with more than 100,000 new cases reported.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2544546]I really want to go to Sao Paulo now. I had two doses of Pfizer vaccine one month ago. Do you think it is safe for me to go? I am concerned about the P1 variant.

Your advises please, thanks.[/QUOTE]Since this was your first post (duplicate) you may not realize that there is a delay for new posters.

You have similar questions as another poster, maybe the two of you can be wingmen.

Suggest you reach out to HarryDubois. I hear he is an Excellent Driver. Sorry, that was Rain-man not Wing-man.

Thanks Bblob69 for your insightful advises. I am thinking, on the other hand, it'd be a good time to go such as it looks the entire airplane from US to SAO only has a few people, and you can sleep on the airplane the entire night. Also, it seems indeed there are a lot of girls available and you get to choose (now it's buyer's market).

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2544716]Daniel: preliminary data show that there is reason to be optimistic that the Pfizer vaccine will prevent you from getting very ill or die, even if infected with the P. 1 variant.

[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102017[/URL]

They took serum from 15 of your fellow vaccines, and showed that the neutralization of the P. 1 variant was about the same as for your domestic strains of the virus. This is as good as one can hope for in such an experiment, but no guarantee by any means. It is true that lots of people do get re-infected in Brazil with P. 1, but we know that the immune response from vaccination is usually much better than the one you get from natural infection.

Since you ask for advice: go somewhere else. There are plenty of ways to fall ill besides COVID-19, and right now is not a good time to be dependent on a hospital bed in Brazil. Plus, chances are that everything will be shut down by the time you get there (assuming they will let you into the country in the first place). In case you didn't pay attention, Brazil set a national record yesterday with more than 100,000 new cases reported.[/QUOTE]Know a few girls in the 20's got the P1 and was sick for 3 weeks and it was her second time. Her friend in her 20's died. So younger people getting infected and dying.

The other problem is even you go the vaccine you can still test positive and which case you could not get back to your original country for at least a week since the US requires 2 negative tests if tested positive.

Lockdown is until April 5 in SP but will most likely be extended.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2544796]Thanks Bblob69 for your insightful advises. I am thinking, on the other hand, it'd be a good time to go such as it looks the entire airplane from US to SAO only has a few people, and you can sleep on the airplane the entire night. Also, it seems indeed there are a lot of girls available and you get to choose (now it's buyer's market).[/QUOTE]How much you think you will be saving by the end of your trip? 1000 R or 150 USD? Not worth it IMO.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2545068]Know a few girls in the 20's got the P1 and was sick for 3 weeks and it was her second time. Her friend in her 20's died. So younger people getting infected and dying.[/QUOTE]That's how they discovered the P. 1 variant in the first place, lots of people in Manaus getting re-infected, and a fair number of those dying, including the younger ones.

[URL]https://virological.org/t/genomic-characterisation-of-an-emergent-sars-cov-2-lineage-in-manaus-preliminary-findings/586[/URL]

Given their age and the current state of vaccine distribution, it is probably safe to assume that those girls had not been vaccinated when they got re-infected.

Maybe common senses prevailed at the end. At the last minute (two hours before my flight), I canceled my trip. It feels really bad now that I did not make the trip after much preparation, waiting, changing flights, booking hotels, covid test, etc. Etc. But it is unchartered waters if I made the trip, so many unknows and uncertainties.

But thanks for the the advises from the folks here.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2544546]I really want to go to Sao Paulo now. I had two doses of Pfizer vaccine one month ago. Do you think it is safe for me to go? I am concerned about the P1 variant.

Your advises please, thanks.[/QUOTE]You should be more concerned about everything (including hotels) closing down and flights back home becoming unavailable for months on end.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2545392]Maybe common senses prevailed at the end. At the last minute (two hours before my flight), I canceled my trip....[/QUOTE]That was the thing to do. Now is not the time.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2545392]Maybe common senses prevailed at the end. At the last minute (two hours before my flight), I canceled my trip. It feels really bad now that I did not make the trip after much preparation, waiting, changing flights, booking hotels, covid test, etc. Etc. But it is unchartered waters if I made the trip, so many unknows and uncertainties.

But thanks for the the advises from the folks here.[/QUOTE]I hear you. Mid-March last year I had a flight booked to Frankfurt, Germany, and a train on to Berlin. Hotels all booked. I canceled the day before because the writing was on the wall. A few days after that, they suspended all international travel. No idea how I would have made it home from Europe. As XXL says, it is not inconceivable that flights from Brazil to the US could be affected in the near future as well.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2545392]Maybe common senses prevailed at the end. At the last minute (two hours before my flight), I canceled my trip. It feels really bad now that I did not make the trip after much preparation, waiting, changing flights, booking hotels, covid test, etc. Etc. But it is unchartered waters if I made the trip, so many unknows and uncertainties.

But thanks for the the advises from the folks here.[/QUOTE]Daniel I am fully with you. I hope you didn't cancelled and just put it on a another date. I booked my trip for mid September and put it a rescue string for shifting my date by 60 days for just 200 $ penalty. So its safe water. Besides I speculate I am vaccinated by the time. My only issue is to find and book a girl willing to stay with me for long term, like 2-4 weeks. I wonder how much she would ask.

This may be my last trip report, 555, because I am flying to Rio in a couple of days. Yeah, I know about the P1 Variant, the nightclub shutdowns and all that shit and I won't say I am happy about these current events, but I am still going, because #1. I have been vaccinated with 95% proof Moderna, and I think the odds are in my favor, and #2. I am just not going to let another year slip by doing nothing. 2020 was a total write off for me and I know I will never get that year back. I take my hat of to those guys who travelled nonetheless in 2020 and still had fun. Well played, sirs!

Meanwhile I had 2 Thailand / Jakarta trips canceled in 2020 and there is still no end in sight for a Thai re-opening in 2021 although the Thai Government is now talking about opening designated "sand lot" locations to vaccinated foreigners in the summer, but it is still just talk talk now. Meanwhile Brazil is suffering from a new Corona variant surge. When will the present crises in Brazil end and herd immunity set in is anyone's guess? Will the trouble be over by July? October? By January 2022/ January 2023/ January 2024? The answer is we don't know because there might be another rampant variant after P1 and another variant after that one ect ect? This pandemic might never go away completely.

So, no more waiting for me. Life is for living and for the taking of some risks. I am going! BTW, I am not expecting Rio or Sao Paulo to be anywhere close to what those towns were like pre pandemic. Even if the current closures are lifted, I know it ain't going to be like April 2019. And I am bar guy too, so it will be a drag for me if the termas and boates do not reopen on the 5th, but the hell with it, the bottom line is I won't let any of it deter me any longer. There are a ton of girls available out there, and I know where to find them and what to do with them. So, I know I am going to have a good time in Brazil in April / May 2021. Hi Ho!

But, if this is my last post to the board and I don't make it back home safe and sound, raise a glass of Tequila for me boys and know I died doing what I like to do best – shag pretty girls. Rock On!

I salute any brave mongers who will be heading to Brazil soon. I'm sorry I won't be travelling to be able to submit trip reports and will be dependent on boots on the ground to keep us all updated.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2545799]This may be my last trip report, 555, because I am flying to Rio in a couple of days. Yeah, I know about the P1 Variant, the nightclub shutdowns and all that shit and I won't say I am happy about these current events, but I am still going, because #1. I have been vaccinated with 95% proof Moderna, and I think the odds are in my favor, and #2. I am just not going to let another year slip by doing nothing. 2020 was a total write off for me and I know I will never get that year back. I take my hat of to those guys who travelled nonetheless in 2020 and still had fun. Well played, sirs!

Meanwhile I had 2 Thailand / Jakarta trips canceled in 2020 and there is still no end in sight for a Thai re-opening in 2021 although the Thai Government is now talking about opening designated "sand lot" locations to vaccinated foreigners in the summer, but it is still just talk talk now. Meanwhile Brazil is suffering from a new Corona variant surge. When will the present crises in Brazil end and herd immunity set in is anyone's guess? Will the trouble be over by July? October? By January 2022/ January 2023/ January 2024? The answer is we don't know because there might be another rampant variant after P1 and another variant after that one ect ect? This pandemic might never go away completely.

So, no more waiting for me. Life is for living and for the taking of some risks. I am going! BTW, I am not expecting Rio or Sao Paulo to be anywhere close to what those towns were like pre pandemic. Even if the current closures are lifted, I know it ain't going to be like April 2019. And I am bar guy too, so it will be a drag for me if the termas and boates do not reopen on the 5th, but the hell with it, the bottom line is I won't let any of it deter me any longer. There are a ton of girls available out there, and I know where to find them and what to do with them. So, I know I am going to have a good time in Brazil in April / May 2021. Hi Ho!

But, if this is my last post to the board and I don't make it back home safe and sound, raise a glass of Tequila for me boys and know I died doing what I like to do best shag pretty girls. Rock On![/QUOTE]FUCK YES!!

Rock out with your cock out 🤣129315;.

I had to cancel my trip to down there this week since I am due to get the second Moderna shot next week. I will reschedule the trip for either end of April or by mid May. I agree with you fully. This pandemic ain't going nowhere and countries aren't all going to get full vaccinated by 2022/2023 and by then we will have new variants and have to keep the boosters going.

I sent whatsup messages to a few clinicas and it seems some clinicas such as Clinica Chanel, Lola Spa, etc. Are still open.

It's official! Phuket's opening July 1. 5 other provinces opening Oct 1.

And CDC finally released their statement that international travel is safe for vaccinated travelers!

Best of luck on your travels, Natty. I wish you many inexpensive pussies on your trip.

Brazil seems especially bad right now. Weather in Thailand is horrible. I was planning on getting vaccinated in July so I can visit Thailand twice this year within a 90 day window. I don't think I want to visit Brazil until their numbers start coming down. Partially due to fear of variants. But also due to lockdowns.

Please keep us udpated, Natty!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2545799]This may be my last trip report, 555, because I am flying to Rio in a couple of days. Yeah, I know about the P1 Variant, the nightclub shutdowns and all that shit and I won't say I am happy about these current events, but I am still going, because #1. I have been vaccinated with 95% proof Moderna, and I think the odds are in my favor, and #2. I am just not going to let another year slip by doing nothing. 2020 was a total write off for me and I know I will never get that year back. I take my hat of to those guys who travelled nonetheless in 2020 and still had fun. Well played, sirs!

Meanwhile I had 2 Thailand / Jakarta trips canceled in 2020 and there is still no end in sight for a Thai re-opening in 2021 although the Thai Government is now talking about opening designated "sand lot" locations to vaccinated foreigners in the summer, but it is still just talk talk now. Meanwhile Brazil is suffering from a new Corona variant surge. When will the present crises in Brazil end and herd immunity set in is anyone's guess? Will the trouble be over by July? October? By January 2022/ January 2023/ January 2024? The answer is we don't know because there might be another rampant variant after P1 and another variant after that one ect ect? This pandemic might never go away completely.

So, no more waiting for me. Life is for living and for the taking of some risks. I am going! BTW, I am not expecting Rio or Sao Paulo to be anywhere close to what those towns were like pre pandemic. Even if the current closures are lifted, I know it ain't going to be like April 2019. And I am bar guy too, so it will be a drag for me if the termas and boates do not reopen on the 5th, but the hell with it, the bottom line is I won't let any of it deter me any longer. There are a ton of girls available out there, and I know where to find them and what to do with them. So, I know I am going to have a good time in Brazil in April / May 2021. Hi Ho!

But, if this is my last post to the board and I don't make it back home safe and sound, raise a glass of Tequila for me boys and know I died doing what I like to do best shag pretty girls. Rock On![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2546028]FUCK YES!!

Rock out with your cock out 🤣129315;.

I had to cancel my trip to down there this week since I am due to get the second Moderna shot next week. I will reschedule the trip for either end of April or by mid May. I agree with you fully. This pandemic ain't going nowhere and countries aren't all going to get full vaccinated by 2022/2023 and by then we will have new variants and have to keep the boosters going.[/QUOTE]Best of luck to you! If things settle down a bit in Brazil, I'd love to visit, too. Until then, I'm making plans for Thailand for now.

Maybe I should try Costa Rica. Their covid numbers seem to be trending better.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2547194]It's official! Phuket's opening July 1. 5 other provinces opening Oct 1.

And CDC finally released their statement that international travel is safe for vaccinated travelers!

Best of luck on your travels, Natty. I wish you many inexpensive pussies on your trip.

Brazil seems especially bad right now. Weather in Thailand is horrible. I was planning on getting vaccinated in July so I can visit Thailand twice this year within a 90 day window. I don't think I want to visit Brazil until their numbers start coming down. Partially due to fear of variants. But also due to lockdowns.

Please keep us udpated, Natty![/QUOTE]They said is low risk but do not recommend travel still. International travel still need to test when returning.

I googled but couldn't find the information. Is Sao Paulo lockdown extended beyond April 4th? Or the lockdown ends tomorrow and things will be open as before?

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2547507]I googled but couldn't find the information. Is Sao Paulo lockdown extended beyond April 4th? Or the lockdown ends tomorrow and things will be open as before?[/QUOTE]Until April 11 for now. Probably get extended.

Scandallo is closed for another month, maybe until sometime in May.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2547662]Until April 11 for now. Probably get extended.

Scandallo is closed for another month, maybe until sometime in May.[/QUOTE]That's why you should always have an in case of emergency break glass garota. This is Paulinha.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2548747]That's why you should always have an in case of emergency break glass garota. This is Paulinha.[/QUOTE]Once again some very nice pics. Nice cutie too.

This is definitely a great, "get out of jail free card" to have. But I'm not sure I'd have the will power to wait for an emergency....kkkk

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2548747]That's why you should always have an in case of emergency break glass garota. This is Paulinha.[/QUOTE]Got some that will let me stay in their apt when in BR. Real GFE LOL.

They are looking for BF's with the lockdown since they have no income stream.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2548747]That's why you should always have an in case of emergency break glass garota. This is Paulinha.[/QUOTE]I like it when I am banging a chick and she slaps my ass to encourage me to bang harder. Paulinha looks like an ass slapper.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2549087]I like it when I am banging a chick and she slaps my ass to encourage me to bang harder. Paulinha looks like an ass slapper.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I like it when they haul off and slap my ass "whack" just when I'm fixing to nut! Women know how to time that thing.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2549089]Yeah, I like it when they haul off and slap my ass "whack" just when I'm fixing to nut! Women know how to time that thing.[/QUOTE]She knows you're coming and whacks you because she wants more fuck time.

Where did those 2 decades go? Oh I fondly remember the days of HELP! Wow, so now fast forward to present day 2021 and I have been living in Medellin, Colombia for over 5 years and have sampled just about everything in every city and pueblo in Colombia and so when the coronavirus gets under control I want to take a trip to Brazil, but here is my issue:

Rough budget for a 10 day stay in Sao Paulo:

1. Airfare RT from Medellin-Sao Paulo about $700.

2. 10 day hotel at $50. USD / day totals $500.

3. Food for 10 days at $40. USD / day totals $400.

4. Misc expenses such as taxi and disposables 10 days at $25. USD / day totals $250.

5. 2 putas a day at 500 reales each (about $100. USD each), just rough average, so $200. USD / day totals $2,000.

The budget for 10 days all inclusive including about 20 chicas totals $3,850. USD!

This total break down to an effective price per session of $192. USD per fuck! And this is based on 2 fucks per day, what if I miss a day or two and in the end of the trip only have a dozen chica sessions. Each session cost goes up.

My gawd $192. USD is the equivalent to about 650.000 Colombian pesos! Here in Medellin I typically pay 150.000 Colombian pesos for a great 2 hour plus GFE with a fresh Colombian or the equivalent of about $40. USD per session.

What gives with my budget. Is Sao Paulo that expensive?

The cost of my 10 day Sao Paulo trip budget of $3,850. USD for 20 sessions would reap me literally 100 Colombian sessions.

A real conundrum. Is this what you are are finding in terms of cost?

Much love and respect to all! I love reading the reports and reviews and seeing the photos of the cuties in Brazil.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2550334]
Rough budget for a 10 day stay in Sao Paulo:...
5. 2 putas a day at 500 reales each (about $100. USD each), just rough average, so $200. USD / day totals $2,000....

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I been hoping / trying to go (to Ceara and Natal). I've been fantasizing on [URL]Photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. I just searched 18-25 year olds in SP. Seems like most of them are asking 70 to 100 Reais / hour -- that's $12-18 US! Looks tempting to me.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/18-25-anos[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550359]I been hoping / trying to go (to Ceara and Natal). I've been fantasizing on [URL]Photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. I just searched 18-25 year olds in SP. Seems like most of them are asking 70 to 100 Reais / hour -- that's $12-18 US! Looks tempting to me.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/18-25-anos[/URL][/QUOTE]Hahahahaha! LMAO! ROFL! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550359]I been hoping / trying to go (to Ceara and Natal). I've been fantasizing on [URL]Photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. I just searched 18-25 year olds in SP. Seems like most of them are asking 70 to 100 Reais / hour -- that's $12-18 US! Looks tempting to me.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/18-25-anos[/URL][/QUOTE]I have never used the site, but it has been reported here, that you may encounter lots of fake ads and will need to sift through and filter the fake scam like stuff.

Luckily if you choose to go this route, [B]Rovnak[/B] has provided some great tips, tricks and methods to use to aid your searches.

Checkout Rovnak's posts and several days of discussion w/r to Photo Acompanhantes, here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2305659&viewfull=1#post2305659[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2550334]Where did those 2 decades go? Oh I fondly remember the days of HELP! Wow, so now fast forward to present day 2021 and I have been living in Medellin, Colombia for over 5 years and have sampled just about everything in every city and pueblo in Colombia and so when the coronavirus gets under control I want to take a trip to Brazil, but here is my issue:

Rough budget for a 10 day stay in Sao Paulo:

1. Airfare RT from Medellin-Sao Paulo about $700.

2. 10 day hotel at $50. USD / day totals $500.

3. Food for 10 days at $40. USD / day totals $400.

4. Misc expenses such as taxi and disposables 10 days at $25. USD / day totals $250.

5. 2 putas a day at 500 reales each (about $100. USD each), just rough average, so $200. USD / day totals $2,000.

The budget for 10 days all inclusive including about 20 chicas totals $3,850. USD!

This total break down to an effective price per session of $192. USD per fuck! And this is based on 2 fucks per day, what if I miss a day or two and in the end of the trip only have a dozen chica sessions. Each session cost goes up.

My gawd $192. USD is the equivalent to about 650.000 Colombian pesos! Here in Medellin I typically pay 150.000 Colombian pesos for a great 2 hour plus GFE with a fresh Colombian or the equivalent of about $40. USD per session.

What gives with my budget. Is Sao Paulo that expensive?

The cost of my 10 day Sao Paulo trip budget of $3,850. USD for 20 sessions would reap me literally 100 Colombian sessions.

A real conundrum. Is this what you are are finding in terms of cost?

Much love and respect to all! I love reading the reports and reviews and seeing the photos of the cuties in Brazil.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Tall Man. Much respect. Enjoy your MDE exploits. It's not at all fair to load your So Paulo trip up with airfare and meals and hotel and all. That's just the cost of going on Vacay outside Medellin. It's whether you want to do this vacation or not. You got to think about that part as sunk cost of the adventure. Else you will never leave. It will ALWAYS be more expensive elsewhere when you go fully burdened cost.

That said you are definitely high on the girl expense also. 500 R is going to be top shelf. And the Real is really depressed. Almost 6:1 vs the dollar. So more like $90 if you really spend 500 R a pop which I doubt.

Only question in your mind should be can you afford it. If yes then do it. No questions asked. You owe it to urself and men everywhere. But if not. Is why it is. Guessing you can afford it. Have fun!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2550364]Hahahahaha! LMAO! ROFL! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]So, you're implying that my fantasy is...?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2550372]... And the Real is really depressed. Almost 6:1 vs the dollar. So more like $90 ...[/QUOTE]Yes, the Real is shit, and not looking good in the near future.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550392]So, you're implying that my fantasy is...?[/QUOTE]What do you think? Use the big head, and not the little one!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550392]So, you're implying that my fantasy is...?[/QUOTE]Even in less affluent regions of Brazil, it's very unlikely that you will find attractive, escorts available for 70-100 reais. Photoacompanhantes is a mine field that has to be carefully navigated.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550395]Yes, the Real is shit, and not looking good in the near future.[/QUOTE]The Real is not shit and is looking good.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2550545]The Real is not shit and is looking good.[/QUOTE] You should buy some futures then. Okay who knows, but the BRL has correlated with the price of crude, which, long term, is looking like coal to me.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2550334]
My gawd $192. USD is the equivalent to about 650.000 Colombian pesos! Here in Medellin I typically pay 150.000 Colombian pesos for a great 2 hour plus GFE with a fresh Colombian or the equivalent of about $40. USD per session.

What gives with my budget. Is Sao Paulo that expensive?

The cost of my 10 day Sao Paulo trip budget of $3,850. USD for 20 sessions would reap me literally 100 Colombian sessions.

A real conundrum. Is this what you are are finding in terms of cost?

Much love and respect to all! I love reading the reports and reviews and seeing the photos of the cuties in Brazil.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I see your point but I think your math is off. First, you don't live in Colombia for free, so the daily expenses cannot be zero-rated for comparison. The purely extra expense is the airfare.

Yes, the session rates are a bit higher in SP, but I would put it at R300 average each, for a 150 k Colombian equivalent chick. The R500 plus types charge about 300 k plus in Colombia.

Where Brazil wins in my opinion is the level of passion they bring to the session and the sexiness of the ladies (that booty alone deserves a surcharge). This combo will keep me going back for years to come. Nevertheless, Colombia remains a favorite of mine as well.

That said, if nookie accounting is that important, I think you will get better mongering value in Rio, with the bonus of beach relaxation. More like vacation, with mongering on the side.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2550371]I have never used the site, but it has been reported here, that you may encounter lots of fake ads and will need to sift through and filter the fake scam like stuff.

Luckily if you choose to go this route, [B]Rovnak[/B] has provided some great tips, tricks and methods to use to aid your searches.

Checkout Rovnak's posts and several days of discussion w/r to Photo Acompanhantes, here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2305659&viewfull=1#post2305659[/URL].[/QUOTE]Rovnak's post should be a must read for noobs. Even with all the precautions, my personal experience with PA in Brazil has been a near total waste of time. Requires a ton of time and patience, and a backup plan, and two more backups to the backup if you hope to get laid. Somehow I have had much better luck with PA in Colombia.

I gave up trying to hook up with models on such sites one week into my stay in SP because the alternatives to online girls were far better. Girls online sometimes didn't answer Whatsapp messages, they might not all be as good-looking in flesh and blood as on the pics, plus to visit them at their place I needed to show my passport which I preferred not to carry along in Brazil for obvious reasons.

At Scandallo faces of some girls I had never met before rang a bell. They were girls I must have spotted on the internet. To register at Scandallo a smartphone scan of my passport was accepted. On later visits I only needed to tell them my passport number.

[QUOTE=XXL;2550724]I gave up trying to hook up with models on such sites one week into my stay in SP because the alternatives to online girls were far better. Girls online sometimes didn't answer Whatsapp messages, they might not all be as good-looking in flesh and blood as on the pics, plus to visit them at their place I needed to show my passport which I preferred not to carry along in Brazil for obvious reasons.

At Scandallo faces of some girls I had never met before rang a bell. They were girls I must have spotted on the internet. To register at Scandallo a smartphone scan of my passport was accepted. On later visits I only needed to tell them my passport number.[/QUOTE]I would always use my drivers license as my ID and I remember they accepted in Scandallo and when I went to a girls apartment. I never wanted to carry my passport in case I lost or something. I heard some guys just made a photocopy of their passport and that worked too.

Online girls can work but from my experience you have to hit them up at least a week before you land to see if they will even be in the city since it seems most of these girls fly to rio and other cities frequently. I was lucky to score 80% of the girls I was waiting for but it was just luck.

PA is scam city.

Scandallo is definitely the best tho but also the most expensive but if you're in SP why arent you there.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2550334]Where did those 2 decades go? Oh I fondly remember the days of HELP! Wow, so now fast forward to present day 2021 and I have been living in Medellin, Colombia for over 5 years and have sampled just about everything in every city and pueblo in Colombia and so when the coronavirus gets under control I want to take a trip to Brazil, but here is my issue:

Rough budget for a 10 day stay in Sao Paulo:

1. Airfare RT from Medellin-Sao Paulo about $700.

2. 10 day hotel at $50. USD / day totals $500.

3. Food for 10 days at $40. USD / day totals $400.

4. Misc expenses such as taxi and disposables 10 days at $25. USD / day totals $250.

5. 2 putas a day at 500 reales each (about $100. USD each), just rough average, so $200. USD / day totals $2,000.

The budget for 10 days all inclusive including about 20 chicas totals $3,850. USD!

This total break down to an effective price per session of $192. USD per fuck! And this is based on 2 fucks per day, what if I miss a day or two and in the end of the trip only have a dozen chica sessions. Each session cost goes up.

My gawd $192. USD is the equivalent to about 650.000 Colombian pesos! Here in Medellin I typically pay 150.000 Colombian pesos for a great 2 hour plus GFE with a fresh Colombian or the equivalent of about $40. USD per session.

What gives with my budget. Is Sao Paulo that expensive?

The cost of my 10 day Sao Paulo trip budget of $3,850. USD for 20 sessions would reap me literally 100 Colombian sessions.

A real conundrum. Is this what you are are finding in terms of cost?

Much love and respect to all! I love reading the reports and reviews and seeing the photos of the cuties in Brazil.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]You're excluding clinicas in SP which I think are really great and price effective.

I believe the average price was like 230 BRL and if you added another girl it was like 450 BRL.

So you can get a threesome for 1 HR for less than 500.

If you get a girls number you def can get her for more hours at the same price or something like that.

There is a level of romance that these girls have there.

Some will want to spend the whole day with you for peanuts or even a few days.

I guess they like to live out a romance like in a movie with a foreigner to make life interesting sometimes.

Scandallo is where you're spending 500 at least plus 250 room and 300 entrance.

But you will find 50+ hot girls on most days of all flavors to suit just about any guy. Its the crown jewel I believe not only in Brazil but in all the world (at least top 3).

Pricing in SP is pretty high but you can live in a luxurious condo with good food and a variety of women that are top level and it never ends because you'll be in the biggest city in south america so plenty of girls.

Rio is cheaper and a lot more fun but there's a sort of class and intrigue that SP has that really sells itself.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550392]So, you're implying that my fantasy is...?[/QUOTE]You can find girls that cheap but their personality will match with it as well as their looks.

I met some PA girls and I honestly wouldn't pay them any attention in a regular setting in the first place.

If you're in Brazil I don't understand why you wouldn't be spending a bit more reals (+300 150) to fuck a hot Brazilian girl with a body you dream of that fucks like a girl who hasn't seen her man in weeks.

To each their own but I don't see the point of going to a land of exceptional girls only to cheap out and fuck below average girls that you could probably find back home and get in bed after a few drinks at a dive bar or on a cheap crappy dating app.

I'm definitely am not flying 8 hours for that.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2550764]Scandallo is where you're spending 500 at least plus 250 room and 300 entrance.

But you will find 50+ hot girls on most days of all flavors to suit just about any guy. Its the crown jewel I believe not only in Brazil but in all the world (at least top 3).[/QUOTE]Where are the other top two?

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2550767]You can find girls that cheap but their personality will match with it as well as their looks.

I met some PA girls and I honestly wouldn't pay them any attention in a regular setting in the first place.

If you're in Brazil I don't understand why you wouldn't be spending a bit more reals (+300 150) to fuck a hot Brazilian girl with a body you dream of that fucks like a girl who hasn't seen her man in weeks.

To each their own but I don't see the point of going to a land of exceptional girls only to cheap out and fuck below average girls that you could probably find back home and get in bed after a few drinks at a dive bar or on a cheap crappy dating app.

I'm definitely am not flying 8 hours for that.[/QUOTE]People go on vaca to get experiences they can't get at home. Can't compare Columbia to Brazil because its a different economy and girls are just way better IMO in looks and performance and can't compare pesos to real; how about usd to real.

I can see hot Brazilian girls in the US for about 400 USD or about 2300 R for one hour, or 2 k for the day. Equally hot girl in BR will spend 2 or 3 days for 400 usd or a whole month for 2 k. Worth the 8 hour flight LOL.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2550761]I would always use my drivers license as my ID and I remember they accepted in Scandallo and when I went to a girls apartment. I never wanted to carry my passport in case I lost or something. I heard some guys just made a photocopy of their passport and that worked too.
...[/QUOTE]I visited a girl based at a hotel near the Paulista (was it Transamerica Hotel? not far from Renaissance Hotel). I'd forgotten to bring my passport. No way. I had to turn back and fetch my passport.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2550722]Rovnak's post should be a must read for noobs. Even with all the precautions, my personal experience with PA in Brazil has been a near total waste of time. Requires a ton of time and patience, and a backup plan, and two more backups to the backup if you hope to get laid. Somehow I have had much better luck with PA in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. Yes, many of Rovnak's posts should be required reading for newbie's and also makes for an excellent refresher for me.

Although he has been somewhat absent as of late. I hope he's still with us.

I know SP has been in lock down, but with the passing of ABG, the SP thread has also been quieter than usual as of late, except for a few regular contributors.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2550563]You should buy some futures then. Okay who knows, but the BRL has correlated with the price of crude, which, long term, is looking like coal to me.[/QUOTE]I was speaking from an American 'tourist' point of view.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2550761]I would always use my drivers license as my ID and I remember they accepted in Scandallo and when I went to a girls apartment. I never wanted to carry my passport in case I lost or something. I heard some guys just made a photocopy of their passport and that worked too.[/QUOTE]Somehow the thought of leaving a trail of my passport or driver's license doesn't seem very smart. Leave it to me, I'll run for congress the same year that the Scandallo computers get hacked and my comings and goings there are made public for the world.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2550841]I was speaking from an American 'tourist' point of view.[/QUOTE]From the tourist POV, shit is good.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2550545]The Real is not shit and is looking good.[/QUOTE]What sucks is when the tutes start getting greedy and try to start greatly adjusting their asking prices because they know you're a gringo wielding greenbacks. Hate "that" shit!

[QUOTE=Rako3;2550857]Somehow the thought of leaving a trail of my passport or driver's license doesn't seem very smart. Leave it to me, I'll run for congress the same year that the Scandallo computers get hacked and my comings and goings there are made public for the world.[/QUOTE]Thanks Rako3. Finally a bit of common sense.

The point needs to be reposted every month for people's protection. You don't have to turn in your ID at Scandallo or any other place. If you stand your ground, you can just write down your name, "John Smith". After all, it's your money they want. If they want your data more than they want your money, you would have to ask: why?

Does anybody know if Scandello will be open in May? My trip is confirmed for the weekend of May 7.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2550767]...To each their own but I don't see the point of going to a land of exceptional girls only to cheap out ...[/QUOTE]Yes, there's something wrong with me -- I just spent 10 minutes in Safeway trying to get their phone app to work so I could save 21 cents.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2550976]Does anybody know if Scandello will be open in May? My trip is confirmed for the weekend of May 7.[/QUOTE]Most likely end of May will reopen.

Check their site.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/scandallolounge/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rako3;2550857]Somehow the thought of leaving a trail of my passport or driver's license doesn't seem very smart. Leave it to me, I'll run for congress the same year that the Scandallo computers get hacked and my comings and goings there are made public for the world.[/QUOTE]There are cameras every where at these kinds of joints if you're really nervous.

These are cashiers that take your ID to enter into their system, they get ID's from all over the world and wouldn't know if you gave them a fake one.

ID needed for mainly locals that get blacklisted for not paying their tab or keep track of how much people spend.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2550771]Where are the other top two?[/QUOTE]From what I read and heard in thailand and / or another SEA country or one of the popular german FKKs or a club in Zurich switzerland called Globe. Columbia I've also heard good things about. Mexico has it's scene too. I'm not entirely sure as many have their personal pick and I'm not as a experienced world traveler as many seasoned guys here.

I've liked montreal and barcelona alot. Mostly incalls but the girls are white French / spanish and pricing is good for the quality of girl in terms of looks and service!

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2551087]There are cameras every where at these kinds of joints if you're really nervous.

These are cashiers that take your ID to enter into their system, they get ID's from all over the world and wouldn't know if you gave them a fake one.

ID needed for mainly locals that get blacklisted for not paying their tab or keep track of how much people spend.[/QUOTE]No one is ever busted because their passport or ID was found in a club's system or because their likeness was video taped by a club's camera. You are busted in the US when a police sting sets you up or a girl says you paid her for sex after you became famous.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2551162]No one is ever busted because their passport or ID was found in a club's system or because their likeness was video taped by a club's camera. You are busted in the US when a police sting sets you up or a girl says you paid her for sex after you became famous.[/QUOTE]And plenty of times you don't even have to be famous to be framed. Fame, fame, fame, fame! What's your name, what's your name, what's your name (courtesy of David Bowie)?

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2551099]From what I read and heard in thailand and / or another SEA country or one of the popular german FKKs or a club in Zurich switzerland called Globe. Columbia I've also heard good things about. Mexico has it's scene too. I'm not entirely sure as many have their personal pick and I'm not as a experienced world traveler as many seasoned guys here.

I've liked montreal and barcelona alot. Mostly incalls but the girls are white French / spanish and pricing is good for the quality of girl in terms of looks and service![/QUOTE]First. Thanks Bearsi for your great SP and Rio comparison and write up. Top notch. And Hobbying thanks for all your SP contributions.

The think Bearsi is pretty close on his top picks but it also depends what you like in the experience. As he points out in his Rio / SP piece you can get a Clinica girl for easily 1/3 your Scandallo bill but it's about the experience. And the venues vary so much worldwide. Here's my insights / take:

Nightclub format: SP Scandallo. There really isn't anything else worldwide like it including level of girls and luxe indulgence. It would be my top pick worldwide.

German FKK: This is a unique experience and best for back to back fucking because you can literally stay all day. Bar, buffet, sauna, naked girls. What's not to like? If you want service guaranteed then Globe in Zurich is best. But honestly you kinda have to chase the girls and they are often busy with regulars. I prefer the wide open freewheeling vibe at Sharks in Frankfurt.

Strip club format: Bangkok and Moscow rule here. Bangkok is more glitz and girls per mile than anywhere else. But it's all pretty much takeout to your room. Moscow is way classier and on-site luxe rooms to fuck in like Scandallo. Plus the girls grind on you half naked for $3 so you can pick the one you like.

Sex in the City: I like both Tokyo and London for being like one big club. Have an amazing lunch. Grab a hottie and rock out. Have some dinner maybe hit a club. Grab another hottie. These are my fave cities for enjoying the cities and girls as a package. In Tokyo love the dumplings and Korean bbq and Tokyo Hentai for girls. U take them to a Love Hotel. In London love the Italian and seafood and dancing. And Diva Escorts for girls. You go to their flat to fuck which is an adventure of its own.

I've actually written a book on all the countries and venues and experiences. Senior members HMU on DM if you are interested in a draft copy.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2550976]Does anybody know if Scandello will be open in May? My trip is confirmed for the weekend of May 7.[/QUOTE]Anaggie,

I am in SP right now. It's phase red. The entire city is in lockdown. All restaurants (delivery only), stores, and bars are closed. Hell, even my 5 star hotel has closed its restaurants (room service only) and it's friggin' swimming pool is closed for Christ's sake. Even city parks are closed!

Yet somehow the clinicas remain open. I don't know how and so far I have had 2 great, although very different sessions at 2 very popular clincas in my first 2 days here. But I don't think I should say anymore about them until the authorities lift phase red. Hopefully they will relax things and the city will go back to phase orange on the 19th.

Meanwhile I have a date this afternoon with an MCLASS call girl. She looks super hot on her Instagram pages. But I am afraid that if I mention her price a few ISG'ers will suffer severe meltdowns. 555. But I will continue to make my trip reports when I find the time.

For now I just wanted to convey to you what the present scene is like here in SP. It is very weird, very strange, but not without it's amusements and diversions. That said I have changed my itinerary and cut back my intended stay in SP from 3.5 weeks to 2.5 weeks and I will return to RJ to round out my trip on the beach. The termas are open in RJ. So, I may not make it to Scandello this trip, but there are still plenty of sexy SP girls to satisfy my love / lust. I am glad I made the trip and I am having a good time.

NB.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2551195]Anaggie,

I am in SP right now. It's phase red. The entire city is in lockdown. All restaurants (delivery only), stores, and bars are closed. Hell, even my 5 star hotel has closed its restaurants (room service only) and it's friggin' swimming pool is closed for Christ's sake. Even city parks are closed!

Yet somehow the clinicas remain open. I don't know how and so far I have had 2 great, although very different sessions at 2 very popular clincas in my first 2 days here. But I don't think I should say anymore about them until the authorities lift phase red. Hopefully they will relax things and the city will go back to phase orange on the 19th.

Meanwhile I have a date this afternoon with an MCLASS call girl. She looks super hot on her Instagram pages. But I am afraid that if I mention her price a few ISG'ers will suffer severe meltdowns. 555. But I will continue to make my trip reports when I find the time.

For now I just wanted to convey to you what the present scene is like here in SP. It is very weird, very strange, but not without it's amusements and diversions. That said I have changed my itinerary and cut back my intended stay in SP from 3.5 weeks to 2.5 weeks and I will return to RJ to round out my trip on the beach. The termas are open in RJ. So, I may not make it to Scandello this trip, but there are still plenty of sexy SP girls to satisfy my love / lust. I am glad I made the trip and I am having a good time.

NB.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update.

Will they go to phase orange by April 19 or May 19?

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2551284]Thanks for the update.

Will they go to phase orange by April 19 or May 19?[/QUOTE]The decision to extend phase red another couple of weeks or to lighten the present lockdown conditions and move back to phase orange will be made on April 19. No one I have talked to knows what that decision will be, but I am thinking orange. Everyone wants the lockdown to end.

P.S. I went to a MClass girl's apartment this afternoon in Moema. She was very friendly, strikingly beautiful and the sex was hot. I love Brazilian girls.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2551192]First. Thanks Bearsi for your great SP and Rio comparison and write up. Top notch. And Hobbying thanks for all your SP contributions.

The think Bearsi is pretty close on his top picks but it also depends what you like in the experience. As he points out in his Rio / SP piece you can get a Clinica girl for easily 1/3 your Scandallo bill but it's about the experience. And the venues vary so much worldwide. Here's my insights / take:

Nightclub format: SP Scandallo. There really isn't anything else worldwide like it including level of girls and luxe indulgence. It would be my top pick worldwide.

German FKK: This is a unique experience and best for back to back fucking because you can literally stay all day. Bar, buffet, sauna, naked girls. What's not to like? If you want service guaranteed then Globe in Zurich is best. But honestly you kinda have to chase the girls and they are often busy with regulars. I prefer the wide open freewheeling vibe at Sharks in Frankfurt.

Strip club format: Bangkok and Moscow rule here. Bangkok is more glitz and girls per mile than anywhere else. But it's all pretty much takeout to your room. Moscow is way classier and on-site luxe rooms to fuck in like Scandallo. Plus the girls grind on you half naked for $3 so you can pick the one you like..[/QUOTE]I would like a draft.

Sounds like you look for GFE's also.

In Brazil, these working girls often find boyfriends or husbands through work. So some really enjoy what they do and get a GFE experience. I do not get the same type of experience with girls in other countries especially the US. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2551284]Thanks for the update.

Will they go to phase orange by April 19 or May 19?[/QUOTE]The SP health minister said this week that the health system in SP is on the verge of collapse next week so I doubt it will open next week.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2550764]You're excluding clinicas in SP which I think are really great and price effective.

I believe the average price was like 230 BRL and if you added another girl it was like 450 BRL.

So you can get a threesome for 1 HR for less than 500.

If you get a girls number you def can get her for more hours at the same price or something like that.

There is a level of romance that these girls have there.

Some will want to spend the whole day with you for peanuts or even a few days.

I guess they like to live out a romance like in a movie with a foreigner to make life interesting sometimes.

Scandallo is where you're spending 500 at least plus 250 room and 300 entrance.

But you will find 50+ hot girls on most days of all flavors to suit just about any guy. Its the crown jewel I believe not only in Brazil but in all the world (at least top 3).

Pricing in SP is pretty high but you can live in a luxurious condo with good food and a variety of women that are top level and it never ends because you'll be in the biggest city in south america so plenty of girls.

Rio is cheaper and a lot more fun but there's a sort of class and intrigue that SP has that really sells itself.[/QUOTE]You all rock! Thank you all for your comments. All balanced and reasonable.

Yes much to consider. The biggest comment to consider was my budgeted girl cost of 500 BRL which is too much, that you can have fun for 200 to 250 BRL per session along with the fact that your in a somewhat exotic part of the world and half of the fun is just being there. So true.

Probably the most truth is that I am all but spoiled here living in Medellin, my apartment and car is paid for, I live alone, I travel often, I have discretionary spending just for chicas which I find it hard to spend my budget every month (I need 5 dicks here in Medellin hehehehe).

My average day was yesterday afternoon / evening, took a drive down to centro Medellin and spent a few hours scoping out the chicas. Ended up with a cute 21 yo that provided me GFE and lots of fun and passion for a bit over one hour. The nice motel room cost 25.000 Colombian pesos (about $7.00 USD) and my chica was thrilled with the 100.000 pesos I gave her (about $30. USD).

And today I am headed down to the casas with my gringo friend, he likes hehehehe, the cost for a casa girl is about 70.000 pesos or about $20. USD.

When things open up I will visit SP and RJ again, after all 21 years since my last visit is another lifetime ago.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions! Much love to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2551368]I would like a draft.

Sounds like you look for GFE's also.

In Brazil, these working girls often find boyfriends or husbands through work. So some really enjoy what they do and get a GFE experience. I do not get the same type of experience with girls in other countries especially the US. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Brazil is unique insomuch as pretty much every Brasileira I've been with is non stop GFE. Not just DFK and BBBJ but a real feeling of a girlfriend. This is their DNA and it's wonderful. And they can be totally into you in the moment while committed to someone else at the same time! I've had two girls get engaged a month after fucking me! They live in the moment.

Only way to get this in the USA is with Seeking Arrangement. It's a shit ton of work to find the gems but when you do, look out because you might just fall for her. I've had more than my fair share of awesome SA girls. It feels totally real throughout dinner and in the bedroom and several have slept over — just because they wanted to — nothing discussed, no extra charge. It's completely mind blowing. But sooooo much work to find the gems. I prob spend a couple hours a day browsing and chatting. LOL.

Happy to send the book — which also covers how to play Seeking Arrangement game (bit of an art form). Just send me a message with your email address.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2551578]Brazil is unique insomuch as pretty much every Brasileira I've been with is non stop GFE. Not just DFK and BBBJ but a real feeling of a girlfriend. This is their DNA and it's wonderful. And they can be totally into you in the moment while committed to someone else at the same time! I've had two girls get engaged a month after fucking me! They live in the moment.[/QUOTE]I fucked Brazilian girl who was already engaged and was in 'relationship' for 3 years while sexworking and fucking few guys per day, her boyfriend knew and waited patiently in the wings for her to get bored with whoring to become her husband. She was posting on social media how she loves her man, really romantic bullshit to keep social face and if I didn't know truth I would totally believe it. It was big red pill about Brazilian girls. They can say and act like they love you but she doesn't mind sucking other guy dick dry just hour before because 'it doesn't count' in their minds as cheating because it's just sex not 'love'. I would never expect from them to be faithful, it's just in their DNA to fuck everything what moves, they just love dick. Brazilian girl is never yours is just your turn and even then you will have to share her with other men.

[QUOTE=Wolvman;2551707]I fucked Brazilian girl who was already engaged and was in 'relationship' for 3 years while sexworking and fucking few guys per day, her boyfriend knew and waited patiently in the wings for her to get bored with whoring to become her husband. She was posting on social media how she loves her man, really romantic bullshit to keep social face and if I didn't know truth I would totally believe it. It was big red pill about Brazilian girls. They can say and act like they love you but she doesn't mind sucking other guy dick dry just hour before because 'it doesn't count' in their minds as cheating because it's just sex not 'love'. I would never expect from them to be faithful, it's just in their DNA to fuck everything what moves, they just love dick. Brazilian girl is never yours is just your turn and even then you will have to share her with other men.[/QUOTE]Gawd truer words have never been spoken.

The Tall Man.

I don't find it strange that a prostitue can have a boyfriend or husband. The prostitute f*cks you and charge for her service, it's her work. You are just her paycheck. If her husband know about her work it's not being unfaithful.
However, I find it strange that someone can believe brazilian women in general are unfaithful just because he f*cked a prostitute that was married.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2551741]I don't find it strange that a prostitue can have a boyfriend or husband. The prostitute f*cks you and charge for her service, it's her work. You are just her paycheck. If her husband know about her work it's not being unfaithful.
However, I find it strange that someone can believe brazilian women in general are unfaithful just because he f*cked a prostitute that was married.[/QUOTE]Don't kid yourself, taking dicks and slurping cum of other men is not -just work- if you are in relationship or married, it just shows how twisted people can be. Man tolerates it because it brings profits. Woman gets sex, money and 'relationship'. I was truly shocked and it hit me like a train first time I encountered just to find out later it's actually pretty common in LA and Thailand. If anyone ever will fall for hot girl just remember there is 99% chance there is BF / husband hidden in the closet and you are entering dangerous triangle. All hot girls have BF / husbands even if they are prostitutes, that's current state of the world.

Both Brazilian men and women are generally unfaithful, it's very sexual society unlike cold West. There is 0% procent chance I would be faithful to my potential Brazilian girl being surrounded by tons of hot girls, cheating doesn't harm if you keep it secret and discreet.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2551099]From what I read and heard in thailand and / or another SEA country or one of the popular german FKKs or a club in Zurich switzerland called Globe. Columbia I've also heard good things about. Mexico has it's scene too. I'm not entirely sure as many have their personal pick and I'm not as a experienced world traveler as many seasoned guys here.

I've liked montreal and barcelona alot. Mostly incalls but the girls are white French / spanish and pricing is good for the quality of girl in terms of looks and service![/QUOTE]Right now, Scandallo likely is the hottest club for seeking independent working girls.

Thailand is a blast because I'm not sure any place combines the value and the sheer carnival atmosphere of the red light districts in Bangkok and Pattaya. Thai girls can also be very GFE if not matching the sexual energy of Brasileiras. I have just asked cool Thai working girls to hang out with me and show me around. I think every ISG member should experience Thailand (and Brazil) at least once. While some members might generally not be attracted to Asian women, Thai women seem to come in many more shapes and sizes than other Asian ethnicities.

Montreal and Toronto are cool places. The exchange rate works out for Americans. You can get a hot service-oriented escort for less than US $200. While you can find girls of any ethnicity, it's kind of hot fucking a French-Canadian babe or a Canadian beauty from one of the other provinces. There's something about the French-Canadian girls and their sexuality. It doesn't equal the Brasileiras, but it can be very alluring.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2551368]In Brazil, these working girls often find boyfriends or husbands through work. So some really enjoy what they do and get a GFE experience. I do not get the same type of experience with girls in other countries especially the US. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree Brazilian working girls can find boyfriends and husbands through work. This can happen often in Southeast Asia as well. I think it is simply a formula driven by income disparities. I've seen women from these lower income countries driven by financial security with a foreigner. Being a beautiful Brazilian girl does not automatically grant you access to all levels of Brazilian society. There's also an abundance of attractive Brazilian women to the number of well-off Brazilian men. I've said middle class Brazilian men have it made. The ones I have hung around with have beautiful girls available to them all the time. This is true even for the very average looking Brazilian male.

North America and much of Europe are very different dynamics for women. The same can be said for wealthy Asian countries like Japan and Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Wolvman;2551707]I fucked Brazilian girl who was already engaged and was in 'relationship' for 3 years while sexworking and fucking few guys per day, her boyfriend knew and waited patiently in the wings for her to get bored with whoring to become her husband. She was posting on social media how she loves her man, really romantic bullshit to keep social face and if I didn't know truth I would totally believe it. It was big red pill about Brazilian girls. They can say and act like they love you but she doesn't mind sucking other guy dick dry just hour before because 'it doesn't count' in their minds as cheating because it's just sex not 'love'. I would never expect from them to be faithful, it's just in their DNA to fuck everything what moves, they just love dick. Brazilian girl is never yours is just your turn and even then you will have to share her with other men.[/QUOTE]Unless you knew the boyfriend and knew him well, you do not know their arrangement. It is likely a Brazilian boyfriend is letting his girlfriend rack up a nest egg. He can also be a real asshole and spending it.

There are countless stories about foreign men putting up Brazilian women in apartments and / or sending them money. They come to visit their Brazilian "girlfriend" several times a year for some great GFE sex. As soon as the foreigner goes back home, the Brazilian boyfriend moves back in.

Heard that Sao Paulo will enter "orange" phase on April 24 . Dining in at restaurants will be allowed. Looks like my trip might not be a total wash. Got this info this morning from one of the girls I keep in contact with.

[QUOTE=Wolvman;2551766]Don't kid yourself, taking dicks and slurping cum of other men is not -just work...
Both Brazilian men and women are generally unfaithful.[/QUOTE]
That's your opinion.
The "cum-slurping" prostitute women just do it because they are dying for some cum, not because it's their work.
You might change your opinion if you ever meet a brazilian woman who isn't a prostitute. Good luck!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2551301]The decision to extend phase red another couple of weeks or to lighten the present lockdown conditions and move back to phase orange will be made on April 19. No one I have talked to knows what that decision will be, but I am thinking orange. Everyone wants the lockdown to end.

P.S. I went to a MClass girl's apartment this afternoon in Moema. She was very friendly, strikingly beautiful and the sex was hot. I love Brazilian girls.[/QUOTE]Good to hear you're still alive, Natty! I drank a beer on your behalf, but looks like it was a bit too soon. LOL jk.

So what was the damage for MClass? Don't give a fuck about paying too much (on occasion). Top tier gals will cost top tier real.

I hope Brazil's covid numbers start going down soon. I'd love to visit after getting my second shot. If numbers are still high by then, I'll prob visit Costa Rica instead.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2551775]Yes, I agree Brazilian working girls can find boyfriends and husbands through work. This can happen often in Southeast Asia as well. I think it is simply a formula driven by income disparities. I've seen women from these lower income countries driven by financial security with a foreigner. Being a beautiful Brazilian girl does not automatically grant you access to all levels of Brazilian society. There's also an abundance of attractive Brazilian women to the number of well-off Brazilian men. I've said middle class Brazilian men have it made. The ones I have hung around with have beautiful girls available to them all the time. This is true even for the very average looking Brazilian male.

North America and much of Europe are very different dynamics for women. The same can be said for wealthy Asian countries like Japan and Taiwan.[/QUOTE]I have many Brazilian buddies that are married and have multiple GF's and the GF's are fine with that arrangement and the girls are very pretty.

Almost every girl that does not have a kid in the clubs has a BF or a husband. As in any other country, these clubs attract drugs and drug dealers so which these girls are get caught up in this since almost every girl does some sort of drugs.

Funny dynamic in the clubs where there are prostitutes, drug dealers, gangs, and police all in the same place paying for each others drinks. Just enjoy the great GFE service they provide but beware of the dynamics in the clubs.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2551770]Right now, Scandallo likely is the hottest club for seeking independent working girls.

Thailand is a blast because I'm not sure any place combines the value and the sheer carnival atmosphere of the red light districts in Bangkok and Pattaya. Thai girls can also be very GFE if not matching the sexual energy of Brasileiras. I have just asked cool Thai working girls to hang out with me and show me around. I think every ISG member should experience Thailand (and Brazil) at least once. While some members might generally not be attracted to Asian women, Thai women seem to come in many more shapes and sizes than other Asian ethnicities.

Montreal and Toronto are cool places. The exchange rate works out for Americans. You can get a hot service-oriented escort for less than US $200. While you can find girls of any ethnicity, it's kind of hot fucking a French-Canadian babe or a Canadian beauty from one of the other provinces. There's something about the French-Canadian girls and their sexuality. It doesn't equal the Brasileiras, but it can be very alluring.[/QUOTE]French Canadians in Montreal provide great GFE service and has a higher level of sophistication. Brazilian girls are all about their beauty that's why it is the plastic surgery center.

Thai girls are good but I just don't seem to click with them but they seem to be much more affectionate GFE then other Asian countries.

Brazilian girls are the most affectionate, happy, ready to dance and sing at given time, just don't find that with girls in other countries.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2551918]Good to hear you're still alive, Natty! I drank a beer on your behalf, but looks like it was a bit too soon. LOL jk.

So what was the damage for MClass? Don't give a fuck about paying too much (on occasion). Top tier gals will cost top tier real.

I hope Brazil's covid numbers start going down soon. I'd love to visit after getting my second shot. If numbers are still high by then, I'll prob visit Costa Rica instead.[/QUOTE]Hi SinfullyKorean,

Yep, still alive and well in SP. It kind of reminds me of the old Edgar Winter song.

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Anyway, I know I have been woefully tardy in my reportage. What can I say? This always happens when I am on the road. So, to bring you up to speed in a speedy condensed way this is my latest:

I have been in SP for 5 days under the condition red. It is weird, but better than being safe and sound at home doing nothing. I did that in 2020 and I am not going to repeat it in 2021 especially since I received the Moderna vaccine in February.

After room service breakfast in my room, I walk around the Jardins neighbor hood of SP for a couple of hours. The people are out living their lives and nearly everyone wears a mask on the street. That is how shell shocked the Brazilians are.

Note on the Clinicas: I will not mention the name of any clinicas I visit until after the lockdown is over. I know you guys will understand why.

So, after my walk I decide which Clinica I want to visit in the early afternoon. I have been to two of them, each twice. That's 4 clinica girls so far in my travels. And yes, they are discretely open! And yes, they are very good due to what I would have to say is exemplary service and friendly, pretty good-looking girls all at a very reasonable price of 240 br per HR. Or 260 br on a credit card. So overall, I am happy to report that the quality of service I have received combined with the looks of my girls in these 2 SP clincas is better than that in comparable BKK oilies. And that is saying a hell of a lot!

Note to ET: still not had bareback vaginal sex in Brazil although I keep trying, LOL, but in one of the 2 clinicas I have been too, with both girls I had there, I enjoyed CIM finish, and the girls took every drop I had to give them. One girl in particular gave me a BBBJ before sexual intercourse, then took my middle finger, spat on it, inserted my finger into her vagina, and began rubbing her clit until she came. Then she applied the condom, and we went into cowgirl, revere cowgirl (really good), mish, sideways scissors, and then she finished me of with CIM. The session went into overtime. And to tell you the truth, this was not the best clinica session I have had here. The 2 I had at the other place were IMHO even better because they were more GFE, and the girls were better looking. I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea: Natty likes SP Clinicas.

MClass: I had a GREAT session with one of these girls. She was model quality. I visited her at her apartment in Moema. It was a very nice 2 story apartment. She said the rent was 4,000 BR / month but included electric, water, and cable TV. Our session was GFE. It was great. Lots of DFK, deep throat BJ, sex in 3 positions. 600 br was her price. I plan to see her again. We talked about going out for dinner next time at one of her favorite restaurants after boom boom if / when the closure is lifted. We shall see.

Today (Saturday) I have another date with a different MClass girl, but I am thinking of changing it to Sunday so I can visit a clinica today. The clinicas are closed on Sunday.

So that's about it. I am getting used to SP under lockdown. I have room service breakfast at my hotel. I either order delivery for dinner or I walk to a restaurant in the neighborhood, order, then take it back to my room. Naturally I miss eating out, sampling great SP steak houses etc. , but I am ok with the current way of doing things.

Still Alive and Well!

NB.

P.S. Back in the day (the mid 70's to mid 80"s) CR was my favorite country in the world. The beaches were still mostly undeveloped and natural. I used to camp out on the beaches. San Jose had a small red light district then, but all the working girls were Ticas! They were very attractive for the most part unlike today. My favorite Go Go was place called Colt 45. My buddy and I never paid for the girls. They all shagged us for free and spent the night in our pension. Bottles of pharmaceutical Quaaludes were available in the pharmacies. Gold reefer was $5/ once.

I last visited CR in 2004. I nearly cried over the development of beaches and the lack of quality of the working girls. I guess CR is still ok for those who were not there during it's golden era, but I don't like it anymore. Brazil 2021 has far better looking and better performing girls! Go to Brazil.

Thanks for the update Natty! When I was there pre-Covid Tangara was open on Sunday's. Thin lineup at noon when they open but supposedly better by afternoon. U would have to check if they are open now but maybe in a pinch they might fill the bill. Good luck and keep posting!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2551779]...There are countless stories about foreign men putting up Brazilian women in apartments and / or sending them money. They come to visit their Brazilian "girlfriend" several times a year for some great GFE sex. As soon as the foreigner goes back home, the Brazilian boyfriend moves back in.[/QUOTE]Seems like the foreign men don't care what happens when they're away as long as they get their punani when they're in town.

Don't kid yourself and don't be fooled that for Brazil women, [I] "it's just in their DNA to fuck everything what moves, they just love dick. "[/I]

[B] No, they love your wallet and money [/B] (that goes with that shinny new Mercedes), more so than some dumb man's foolish fantasies of their dick being [i]"sucked and slurped" [/i] by countless hordes of wanton Brazilian women.

Every so often, this gets repeated ad nauseum, about Thai girls, Filipina girls, Colombian girls, Chinese girls, Mexican girls. Take your pick, pick a country and suddenly all the working girls (and/or women) are "all sluts", "all cheat", "all love dick", "all fuck everything that moves...etc".

Now I will admit, as many have experienced with Brazilian sex workers, they are passionate and more often than not, they tend to take more pride in their work. Often better then most women in other parts of the world. As many MBs would attest to having some mind blowing (pun intended) experiences, with a Brazilian woman.

Brazilian sex workers (or Brazilian women for that matter) are not a monolith, as some MBs would have you believe. Much like other women sex workers world wide, women take to sex work primarily out of economic conditions and necessity.

Whatever arrangement sex workers make between themselves and their social partners, is just that...their business.

I for one, will continue to enjoy their hot Latin passion and be grateful for a Brazilian society that doesn't have the sexual inhibitions, mores and sexual moral hang-ups found here in North American.

Paid or not, it's been my experience that Brazilian women, actually do enjoy sex as much as men.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2552109]Don't kid yourself and don't be fooled that for Brazil women...[/QUOTE]In my youth I lived and worked in several different 3rd world countries. For years I flattered myself that the women were attracted to me because I was so handsome and manly. To my chagrin, I finally realized that big turn on for them was that I had food.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2551770]Right now, Scandallo likely is the hottest club for seeking independent working girls.

Thailand is a blast because I'm not sure any place combines the value and the sheer carnival atmosphere of the red light districts in Bangkok and Pattaya. Thai girls can also be very GFE if not matching the sexual energy of Brasileiras. I have just asked cool Thai working girls to hang out with me and show me around. I think every ISG member should experience Thailand (and Brazil) at least once. While some members might generally not be attracted to Asian women, Thai women seem to come in many more shapes and sizes than other Asian ethnicities.

Montreal and Toronto are cool places. The exchange rate works out for Americans. You can get a hot service-oriented escort for less than US $200. While you can find girls of any ethnicity, it's kind of hot fucking a French-Canadian babe or a Canadian beauty from one of the other provinces. There's something about the French-Canadian girls and their sexuality. It doesn't equal the Brasileiras, but it can be very alluring.[/QUOTE]I'm not a big spender or world traveler or been doing it for decades like some others on here but from what I've sampled I do have to whole heartily agreed that Scandallo is the best club I've been to! Pricing wise too it really is a great bang for you buck!

In Barcelona they had some nice upscale luxe brothels Felina and La Suite which I liked for the most part as the girls were really beautiful and you had a good variety of spanish, columbians, venezualans, brazilians and eastern europeans in really nice luxe rooms with mirrors on all both sides of the room and ceiling. Price was 150 Euros for 1 HR and feels ok but you can't just hang out with girls to see if you connect and some girls do seem to have some sort of high level attitude but you can reserve a girl and see their schedule which is helpful! Most of Barca incalls were like that which is really nice.

In montreal it's mostly incall and some outcalls and yes the exchange rate from USD to CAD is great! Girls are almost all college babes (MTL is a big university town) and french canadians although not as exotic as maybe brazilians or asian girls, have a charm to them as they all have a sort of GND and GFE bubbly attitude to them and have natural petite but perky bodies (I'm not a fan of fake T&As) Euphoria, which I felt was the best service in MTL, was charging 220 CAD but bumped it to 250 CAD since the lockdown and seems it might stay there. Was planning on going back last year but since the borders were closed and looks to be that way for some time I went to Brazil and can't complain LOL.

Really good place to good, food is good (try the poutine in la banquiste) and the university aspect of the city means you also get some foreign exchange students in the roster from time to time so it has some diversity!

In Berlin the FKKs are cool but from what I heard it can be quite mechanical and girls can be pushy to try to make a sale which is in contrast to SP scene where the girls don't even approach or talk to you unless you do first which makes it more easy going. Entrance is usually like 90 Euros and girls are anywhere from 90 to 150 Euros.

In London the incall scene like Divas seems really good and even tho most of it is eastern european girls they seem to have a good track record of providing great GFE service for 100 to 200 GBP.

Scandallo though you can spend an entire night just chilling and eating and talking to girls all night long. Tons of hot girls in one place, you can take your time and see if the girl is a match with you, go have some fun, come back and eat some steak and do it all over again. In total it's about $200 if you do everything right and can negotiate. Its quite the experience and a must I feel for any guy! And comparing it to the other places I've mentioned it's really about the same more or less but you get a great experience!

Any thoughts of Australia? Heard they also have a great scene there as well but can be quite expensive! The flight alone is up there for most americans but I heard it's worth it!

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2551942]French Canadians in Montreal provide great GFE service and has a higher level of sophistication. Brazilian girls are all about their beauty that's why it is the plastic surgery center.

Thai girls are good but I just don't seem to click with them but they seem to be much more affectionate GFE then other Asian countries.

Brazilian girls are the most affectionate, happy, ready to dance and sing at given time, just don't find that with girls in other countries.[/QUOTE]French Canadian girls are top level too I feel but for some guys the fact that most of the girls are pale slim petite girls is a huge contrast to tanned big bunda brazilian girls.

I'm a big fan of white girls with green or blue eyes with blonde or red hair and MTL has lots of those! Also not a big fan of Plastic Surgery and MTL girls are usually natural (most sites state whether the girl is natural or not).

Service is very high and Quebec people are also very nice, good food and some nice sights around. Has a old European town feel to it.

I'm planning on coming backing to Brazil in either August or September (if things cool down and the lockdowns are gone).

Is there any national or local festivals or holidays that can interfere with seeing girls around those months? I read on the forums when Easter weekend came recently that most of the girls were out and not working so I want to avoid something like that.

I'm coming with a buddy and want to show him all the SP and Rio have to offer!

I will be posting this on the Rio Forum too since different cities can have different festivals and stuff like that so sorry to post it twice but I just want to make sure. Thanks you guys are really helpful and it's much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2552203]I'm not a big spender or world traveler or been doing it for decades like some others on here but from what I've sampled I do have to whole heartily agreed that Scandallo is the best club I've been to! Pricing wise too it really is a great bang for you buck!

In Barcelona they had some nice upscale luxe brothels Felina and La Suite which I liked for the most part as the girls were really beautiful and you had a good variety of spanish, columbians, venezualans, brazilians and eastern europeans in really nice luxe rooms with mirrors on all both sides of the room and ceiling. Price was 150 Euros for 1 HR and feels ok but you can't just hang out with girls to see if you connect and some girls do seem to have some sort of high level attitude but you can reserve a girl and see their schedule which is helpful! Most of Barca incalls were like that which is

Any thoughts of Australia? Heard they also have a great scene there as well but can be quite expensive! The flight alone is up there for most americans but I heard it's worth it![/QUOTE]Wow. Have never met anyone else who's been to Felinas in Barcelona. I really had a great time there. As I recall it was 180€/ HR and the girls we quite hot and skilled. It's a lineup type place tho so doesn't have the Scandallo club vibe. But fond memories. My first DATY with a pro, another girl a top ten kisser even to this day. I had a great time.

I can only speak to Sydney but I'the put a big fat NO on Australia. I did have one good experience at a brothel there. 400 AUD I recall so a bit heart stopping. Truly great Thai girl from a mediocre lineup of 5 or 6 girls. Def wouldn't go out of my way to go there. And a horrible experience at another. Only time I've ever bailed in the room. Younger hot Colombian girl but I knew I needed BBBJ that night and she wouldn't budge. Had a long consult with the madame. Boner killer. Got offered to talk with other girls but they were all like "oh I'the never do that" or not attractive. Total bust.

Guess it was better than nothing but def not worth a trip.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2552109]......I for one, will continue to enjoy their hot Latin passion and be grateful for a Brazilian society that doesn't have the sexual inhibitions, mores and sexual moral hang-ups found here in North American.

Paid or not, it's been my experience that Brazilian women, actually do enjoy sex as much as men.[/QUOTE]Reading this reminds me of a woman I met at Abbobora. She was exactly my type and the session was astounding. I told her the hotel I was staying at in Moema and she said she was living not too far from there and gave me her address saying I must look her up. Never did get around to doing that. Ahhh Brazil.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2552279]Wow. Have never met anyone else who's been to Felinas in Barcelona. I really had a great time there. As I recall it was 180/ HR and the girls we quite hot and skilled. It's a lineup type place tho so doesn't have the Scandallo club vibe. But fond memories. My first DATY with a pro, another girl a top ten kisser even to this day. I had a great time.

I can only speak to Sydney but I'the put a big fat NO on Australia. I did have one good experience at a brothel there. 400 AUD I recall so a bit heart stopping. Truly great Thai girl from a mediocre lineup of 5 or 6 girls. Def wouldn't go out of my way to go there. And a horrible experience at another. Only time I've ever bailed in the room. Younger hot Colombian girl but I knew I needed BBBJ that night and she wouldn't budge. Had a long consult with the madame. Boner killer. Got offered to talk with other girls but they were all like "oh I'the never do that" or not attractive. Total bust.

Guess it was better than nothing but def not worth a trip.[/QUOTE]The girls at Felina and La Suite make their own price and I remember it was 150 Euro for an hour since that was kind of my budget for the day. Met a really nice redhead brazilian girl there, a small petite barce girl who looked and performed like the P.S. Sydney cole and a older spanish travel agent who were both really great! I actually liked Apricots since it was 100 Euro for 45 mins and all the girls I was with were top notch performers! Met a college barce girl with short blonde hair that looked like the P.S. Skye Blue! Such a great time! Barcelona is definitely a stop everyone should go to, it has a great beach, good food and girls are just as good I feel although at a bit higher price since the euro is stronger than the reals.

That's a shame about Australia! I remember reading on one of the aussie forums about a guy who went to one of the brothels and hooked up with twin sisters! I do recall it wasn't sydney so it had to be one of the other cities. This forum is about SP and so I'll drop it and do my research! Thanks for the reply and insight.

[QUOTE=Rako3;2550857]Somehow the thought of leaving a trail of my passport or driver's license doesn't seem very smart. Leave it to me, I'll run for congress the same year that the Scandallo computers get hacked and my comings and goings there are made public for the world.[/QUOTE]I was on the same mindset as well when I was thinking of going to scandallo and other hotspots but as other's have pointed out they have cameras all over the place for safety of patrons and the girls so you're face is going to be on camera on some hard drive in their offices. Plus when you carry a phone and use uber or google maps to go / find the location that can easily be tracked if someone really wanted to do so. Plus if you go to Brazil like every year people are going to know you're going there more than just the beaches and sights LOL.

Honestly it really shouldn't be a problem unless you're already really famous or rich or in politics and if you are you have the money to buy a team to cover your tracks or already are if you're that paranoid. When I went to barcelona and montreal there was a ton of 18 year old americans drinking beer and smoking weed (18 is the legal age to drink in the countries / 21 in the states and weed is legal in those countries or providences / it is not mostly in the states) so at most you'll be judged for partaking in a vice that is legal where you went (Brazil) by people who probably cheat on their spouse, are severe alcoholics or do cocaine in the bathrooms / parties in Washington DC who act they are morally better than you.

Everyone just really minds their own business. The venues don't want to blackmail you because as a customer you'll end up spending more money with them coming over and over again every year LOL or scare other regular / new customers that fear they will be next. No one wins.

Also the girls are pretty discreet. I remember one girl told me some popular brazilian soccer players come by often and I asked who since it piqued my curiosity and the girl just smiled and said she can't say because it would compromise their privacy and that wouldn't be nice. It was stupid to ask but that was a great attitude all the girls had in the boates / termas.

Some girls also have kids and family that don't know what they do since they have regular job or study so they also don't talk much about what they do since it always comes back full circle if they do and again no one wins in the situation. Recently a girl I kept in contact in SP got her info leaked to her friends and family about what she did on the side and she immediately went on damage control to take care of it since she had a pretty good corporate job and kids that she didn't want hurt because of it. No one wants any problems.

Unless you're a Piece Of Shit that's trying to get girls who are underage or abuse girls, which everyone on this site condemns, I hope you do get caught because you're human trash.

If not you should be ok.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2552415]I was on the same mindset as well when I was thinking of going to scandallo and other hotspots but as other's have pointed out they have cameras all over the place for safety of patrons and the girls so you're face is going to be on camera on some hard drive in their offices. Plus when you carry a phone and use uber or google maps to go / find the location that can easily be tracked if someone really wanted to do so. Plus if you go to Brazil like every year people are going to know you're going there more than just the beaches and sights LOL.

Honestly it really shouldn't be a problem unless you're already really famous or rich or in politics and if you are you have the money to buy a team to cover your tracks or already are if you're that paranoid. When I went to barcelona and montreal there was a ton of 18 year old americans drinking beer and smoking weed (18 is the legal age to drink in the countries / 21 in the states and weed is legal in those countries or providences / it is not mostly in the states) so at most you'll be judged for partaking in a vice that is legal where you went (Brazil) by people who probably cheat on their spouse, are severe alcoholics or do cocaine in the bathrooms / parties in Washington DC who act they are morally better than you.

Everyone just really minds their own business. The venues don't want to blackmail you because as a customer you'll end up spending more money with them coming over and over again every year LOL or scare other regular / new customers that fear they will be next. No one wins.

Also the girls are pretty discreet. I remember one girl told me some popular brazilian soccer players come by often and I asked who since it piqued my curiosity and the girl just smiled and said she can't say because it would compromise their privacy and that wouldn't be nice. It was stupid to ask but that was a great attitude all the girls had in the boates / termas..[/QUOTE]There are many many Brazilian celebs, politicians, and international celebs that have been through Scandallo. Girls that are clearly pros with implants breast, ass, and lips are obvious when you take them out as a gringo. Since I speak the lingo I hope it is not so obvious LOL. Some girls know how to tone it down and some not when going out.

But most places with gringo customers such as hotels and restaurants are use to it. In fact, some pros try to catch gringos at these places. But I avoided these freelancers because of security issues in case something happens so I stick with club girls since I know the clubs can track the girl down.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2551995]I last visited CR in 2004. I nearly cried over the development of beaches and the lack of quality of the working girls. I guess CR is still ok for those who were not there during it's golden era, but I don't like it anymore. Brazil 2021 has far better looking and better performing girls! Go to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback! I cancelled my mental trip planning to CR and can't wait to go to Brazil. I'll probably book when cases are on a downward trend and at least half of it's peak daily counts. I'll be completely vaccinated in a month, but still want to be careful if just for a bit longer. Looks like Thailand's numbers are getting out of control, too. Which probably sounds really dumb since I actually live where covid's been the worst.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2552415]Everyone just really minds their own business. The venues don't want to blackmail you because as a customer you'll end up spending more money with them coming over and over again every year LOL or scare other regular / new customers that fear they will be next. No one wins.

Also the girls are pretty discreet. I remember one girl told me some popular brazilian soccer players come by often and I asked who since it piqued my curiosity and the girl just smiled and said she can't say because it would compromise their privacy and that wouldn't be nice. It was stupid to ask but that was a great attitude all the girls had in the boates / termas.[/QUOTE]I've had the smokin' hot working girls tell me about football (soccer) and American basketball players coming through various hooker venues in Brazil.

I always remember poor Justin Bieber went to Centaurus to get some relief for Bieber fever. For some reason, his visit in 2013 to Centaurus was tipped off and made international news. Frankly, I don't think anyone gave a shit.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2485218/Justin-Bieber-caught-sneaking-brothel-covered-bedsheets-Brazil-Believe-world-tour.html[/URL]

SP Update Monday 4/19:

Stores are now open, but must close by 7 pm or 8 pm. Restaurants still closed. Take put & delivery only. Bars still closed. Hotel Swimming pool are open, but no the pool.

On 24th or 25th restaurants and bars (will be allowed to reopen.

I return to Rio on the 27th, but I am having misgivings about my decision to leave SP sooner than I originally planned. The SP girls are top quality. Yesterday's MClass girl was fucking amazing. Great looking in a sophisticated way. A spinner, my favorite body type and she was on the cover and had a spread in Sexy magazine a while back. (I did not know this when I booked her).

We began in reverse Cowgirl and were doing just fine, but then she leaned all the way back so her thin body was laying on top of mine. I wrapped my arms around her breasts, held her tight, and it was bliss. And that was just our first position. But I took a risk on this one choosing her just from her Mclass profile and instagram pics, but I saw something in a few of those pics that made me think this girl has potential and she came through with flying colors.

But this afternoon I getting back with my 1st Mclass girl. Miss great looking GFE. Then I plan to go back to the clinica girls Tuesday, Wed, and Thurs. And then get back with my centerfold. So while it is a shame that I will almost certainly not make it to Scandallo on this trip, I am having a great time in SP and I don't want to leave!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2552638]SP Update Monday 4/19:

Stores are now open, but must close by 7 pm or 8 pm. Restaurants still closed. Take put & delivery only. Bars still closed. Hotel Swimming pool are open, but no the pool.

On 24th or 25th restaurants and bars (will be allowed to reopen.

I return to Rio on the 27th, but I am having misgivings about my decision to leave SP sooner than I originally planned. The SP girls are top quality. Yesterday's MClass girl was fucking amazing. Great looking in a sophisticated way. A spinner, my favorite body type and she was on the cover and had a spread in Sexy magazine a while back. (I did not know this when I booked her).

We began in reverse Cowgirl and were doing just fine, but then she leaned all the way back so her thin body was laying on top of mine. I wrapped my arms around her breasts, held her tight, and it was bliss. And that was just our first position. But I took a risk on this one choosing her just from her Mclass profile and instagram pics, but I saw something in a few of those pics that made me think this girl has potential and she came through with flying colors.

But this afternoon I getting back with my 1st Mclass girl. Miss great looking GFE. Then I plan to go back to the clinica girls Tuesday, Wed, and Thurs. And then get back with my centerfold. So while it is a shame that I will almost certainly not make it to Scandallo on this trip, I am having a great time in SP and I don't want to leave![/QUOTE]I was in Scandello back in Feb 2020 and it was definitely an amazing sight but I still would prefer getting these type of girls. For this trip, I have found a nice little redhead from PA who has agreed to do bare as long as both of us get tested. See attached picture for reference. We have been talking for over a week but her attitude really changed when I took a picture of me getting my blood drawn for the STD test. She became super friendly and chatty once she saw that I was being serious. She gets tested next week for our meeting during May 7-9. Will keep the forum posted on what happens.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2552638]SP Update Monday 4/19:

Stores are now open, but must close by 7 pm or 8 pm. Restaurants still closed. Take put & delivery only. Bars still closed. Hotel Swimming pool are open, but no the pool.

On 24th or 25th restaurants and bars (will be allowed to reopen.

I return to Rio on the 27th, but I am having misgivings about my decision to leave SP sooner than I originally planned. The SP girls are top quality. Yesterday's MClass girl was fucking amazing. Great looking in a sophisticated way. A spinner, my favorite body type and she was on the cover and had a spread in Sexy magazine a while back. (I did not know this when I booked her).

We began in reverse Cowgirl and were doing just fine, but then she leaned all the way back so her thin body was laying on top of mine. I wrapped my arms around her breasts, held her tight, and it was bliss. And that was just our first position. But I took a risk on this one choosing her just from her Mclass profile and instagram pics, but I saw something in a few of those pics that made me think this girl has potential and she came through with flying colors.

But this afternoon I getting back with my 1st Mclass girl. Miss great looking GFE. Then I plan to go back to the clinica girls Tuesday, Wed, and Thurs. And then get back with my centerfold. So while it is a shame that I will almost certainly not make it to Scandallo on this trip, I am having a great time in SP and I don't want to leave![/QUOTE]What was your process for finding these girls on mclass? Given that online escort sites have a reputation for scammers / fakes. Did you cross reference against gpguia? If so, did you just go down a list of hotties on mclass until you found one on gpguia with good reviews?

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2552775]I have found a nice little redhead from PA who has agreed to do bare as long as both of us get tested. See attached picture for reference. We have been talking for over a week but her attitude really changed when I took a picture of me getting my blood drawn for the STD test. She became super friendly and chatty once she saw that I was being serious. She gets tested next week for our meeting during May 7-9. Will keep the forum posted on what happens.[/QUOTE]Sounds like true love. Ha ha, but if this approach gets you bareback GFE with a good looking redhead then go for it. Actually a buddy of mine over in the BKK forum gets tested all the time and carries his papers around in his wallet. He uses his negative test results as a bargaining chip in negotiations for BB. Apparently it works for him. I, on the other hand, never negotiate, and I am willing to take my chances and see what happens spontaneously in the bed room. My approach works pretty well for me in Thailand (25% very well in the PI (80%) and Jakarta (60%) of the time in 1st time encounters, but so far I am striking out in Brazil (0.00%) of the time. Oh well. I still love the girls here.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2552827]What was your process for finding these girls on mclass? Given that online escort sites have a reputation for scammers / fakes. Did you cross reference against gpguia? If so, did you just go down a list of hotties on mclass until you found one on gpguia with good reviews?[/QUOTE]This is a great question. For me it is a game of elimination. 1st I look for girls with pretty faces. I eliminate all girls who obscure their face and who I do not find attractive. 2nd I eliminate all girls with large, outrageous breast implants, BIGG buts, and thick thighs. I just don't find these type of girls feminine. Sadly, this process weeds out most of the girls on BarraVips and MClass.

Next I sent out what's app greetings & texts to the handful of girls that were of interest to me. I tried looking up reviews on these girls and found the process too labor intensive and unproductive. Not one girl I was interested in on the MClass or Barra VIP's sites had a review. Maybe there are more reviews girls on other call girls sites, maybe you need reviews on the girls from the other sites. I don't know. But what I discovered was that the process of interview and audition of potential MClass and Barra Vip girls took a couple of hours. Perhaps the the girls were auditioning me as well. It wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, after the initial contact the girls would invariably go off line for a while and then come back online and resume the conversation. This didn't really bother me because I was usually carrying on 2 or 3 conversations at the same time, reading emails from home, and watching Netflix and Prime movies. After making my selection and booking a girl, I still had 2 or 3 other call girls leftover to resume the conversation the following day.

Anyway this was the process by which I made my initial contacts with these girls and subsequently my call girl selections. BTW, both of my MClass girls sent me unsolicited additional pics and videos of themselves plus links to their prolific Instagram sites. I wasn't worried about a bait and switch, but obviously there is more chance for not clicking with the girl after she arrives. This is why I will always prefer to find my girls in bars, Go Go's, Termas, and Boates. But these are extraordinary times and so we must adapt or stay home and not have fun. As to my percentages, I have not had one bad call girl experience to date in RJ or SP except for that one Barra VIP girl that came over and wanted money before play. I showed her the door and immediately asked over another girl I had known from a couple of nights earlier. I didn't miss a beat.

Update: yesterday I had my 2nd session with my 1st MClass girl. What a sweet girl she is! I can't say enough on her behalf. The 2nd time was even better than the first. It was like having sex the 2nd time with a college cutie from your film class.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2552915]Sounds like true love. Ha ha, but if this approach gets you bareback GFE with a good looking redhead then go for it. Actually a buddy of mine over in the BKK forum gets tested all the time and carries his papers around in his wallet. He uses his negative test results as a bargaining chip in negotiations for BB. Apparently it works for him. I, on the other hand, never negotiate, and I am willing to take my chances and see what happens spontaneously in the bed room. My approach works pretty well for me in Thailand (25% very well in the PI (80%) and Jakarta (60%) of the time in 1st time encounters, but so far I am striking out in Brazil (0.00%) of the time. Oh well. I still love the girls here.

This is a great question. For me it is a game of elimination. 1st I look for girls with pretty faces. I eliminate all girls who obscure their face and who I do not find attractive. 2nd I eliminate all girls with large, outrageous breast implants, BIGG buts, and thick thighs. I just don't find these type of girls feminine. Sadly, this process weeds out most of the girls on BarraVips and MClass.

Next I sent out what's app greetings & texts to the handful of girls that were of interest to me. I tried looking up reviews on these girls and found the process too labor intensive and unproductive. Not one girl I was interested in on the MClass or Barra VIP's sites had a review. Maybe there are more reviews girls on other call girls sites, maybe you need reviews on the girls from the other sites. I don't know. But what I discovered was that the process of interview and audition of potential MClass and Barra Vip girls took a couple of hours. Perhaps the the girls were auditioning me as well. It wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, after the initial contact the girls would invariably go off line for a while and then come back online and resume the conversation. This didn't really bother me because I was usually carrying on 2 or 3 conversations at the same time, reading emails from home, and watching Netflix and Prime movies. After making my selection and booking a girl, I still had 2 or 3 other call girls leftover to resume the conversation the following day.

Anyway this was the process by which I made my initial contacts with these girls and subsequently my call girl selections. BTW, both of my MClass girls sent me unsolicited additional pics and videos of themselves plus links to their prolific Instagram sites. I wasn't worried about a bait and switch, but obviously there is more chance for not clicking with the girl after she arrives. This is why I will always prefer to find my girls in bars, Go Go's, Termas, and Boates. But these are extraordinary times and so we must adapt or stay home and not have fun. As to my percentages, I have not had one bad call girl experience to date in RJ or SP except for that one Barra VIP girl that came over and wanted money before play. I showed her the door and immediately asked over another girl I had known from a couple of nights earlier. I didn't miss a beat.

Update: yesterday I had my 2nd session with my 1st MClass girl. What a sweet girl she is! I can't say enough on her behalf. The 2nd time was even better than the first. It was like having sex the 2nd time with a college cutie from your film class.[/QUOTE]It would be a good idea to videochat on WhatsApp with the girl (s) to make sure that you are dealing with a real person and to vet how she looks. If she refuses to videochat, she may have something to hide. You can then cut her off so you don't waste more time on her.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2552915]Sounds like true love. Ha ha, but if this approach gets you bareback GFE with a good looking redhead then go for it. Actually a buddy of mine over in the BKK forum gets tested all the time and carries his papers around in his wallet. He uses his negative test results as a bargaining chip in negotiations for BB. Apparently it works for him. I, on the other hand, never negotiate, and I am willing to take my chances and see what happens spontaneously in the bed room. My approach works pretty well for me in Thailand (25% very well in the PI (80%) and Jakarta (60%) of the time in 1st time encounters, but so far I am striking out in Brazil (0.00%) of the time. Oh well. I still love the girls here.

[/QUOTE]I used to do the same thing. Never bring it up and hope my charm and treatment would work out. I have been pretty good at getting bare the past couple of time in Brazil so now I don't want to take a risk. I ask the girls pretty early in our conversation and if they don't agree, I move on. Some will be more interested and some won't. Story of my life.

I also agree with your weeding out process. I probably dump 90% of the girls I come across due to all the fake tits and ass shit. This removes most girls from the high end escort sites. PA has been pretty good for me in SP. I just scroll down and send messages to all girls who I find attractive and have real tits. Once we start conversing and get the details hammered out, I ask for real photos and then maybe in a few days, a quick video call. I also make it real clear that if the person who shows at the door doesn't match the pictures, it is bye bye. I have been 100% on the girls matching their pictures so far.

Can't wait till my trip to see how this one works out.

Some clubs will be reopening next week, including Scandallo.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2553048]Some clubs will be reopening next week, including Scandallo.[/QUOTE]That's only a good thing if you don't care about being exposed to and infected by a nasty COVID-19 variant.

Was in SP for a quick business trip. 3 days. Got mongering in during the day.

Stayed in republica, tons of homeless. FYI that park in praca republica is full of trannies so don't be fooled.

First things first. Photoacompanhantes fucking sucks.

The girls never look like the picture, especially the ones who's location is by cathedral by metro SE. They charge 200 k and look nothing like the pictures, some are hot. Luck of the draw. With the curfew, it's a necessary evil to use the site to bust a nut I suppose. Had 2/3 good sessions. Last one girl was 9/10 but couldn't get hard as she had an attitude and was operated and did condom BJ even though it says BBBJ on her ad. Whatever. Happens.

The prives are amazing. Go to joao monteiro de gama 236 off of saude metro. Did a session with juliana, a japanese Brazil mix. 9/10 face. 69 and finished in mish. DFK. Then with amanda the mamasan. Classic brazilian alina riscado look. They had a special 80 k for 1 HR both times. It's the suburbs so a pain to find tbh. Just ask the taxi drivers where to walk, (I don't carry a phone).
go to gp guia for the best prive info. the locals post there

I also went to the 3 prives in santana. More suburbs.

Prive. Conselheiro Saraiva, 376.

Prive 432 - Rua Conselheiro Saraiva, 432.

Priv the Rua Doutor Olavo Egdio, 482.

They were all pretty average with sixes and sevens. But man it's 40 k for 30 min. Def check it out. Great to stop by one, fuck for a little, and finish in the next one.

I don't like how sao paolo is a lot more spread out than rio, the metro takes forever albeit a great system.

The girls are also less warm than the cariocas, but easier to understand if you speak portuguese with their accent. im sure if you repeat they warm up to you.

Rappi was excellent, def eat the sushi / korean when in town. Reminds me a lot of nyc.

For being the covid capital of the world, still a good time mongering. No problem coming here besides the covid test. You can get your return test at the states at any of the drogarias in town. They advertise it on the front. Was 100 k reals for the rapid test needed to get back.

Cheers.

JW.

At the current exchange rate real vs USD, the clinicas are the best deals in the world in my opinion. The top girls at clinicas are as slim, pretty, and GFE as the girls at FKK Globe in Zurich. At the clinicas, the rate is 260 reals per hour. At FKK Globe, the rate is 280 CHF per hour. There is no need for any bargaining or negotiation at clinicas or FKK Globe, which makes sex at these venues a stress-free enjoyment.

The pretty clinica girls can also spend the night at your apt (about 12 hours) for about 1,000 reals, with 2 sex sessions, one before going to sleep and one in the morning after she wakes up. At FKK Globe, the cost to spend the night with a girl is just outrageous.

Beautiful Scandallo / Connection girls charge around 500 reals per hour. Multiple-hour deals are not as standardized. A pretty Connection girl came over to my apt for 1,000 reals for 4 hours. Another pretty Connection girl spent the night with me (around 12 hours) with 2 sex sessions for 1,500 reals. I think 1,000 reals for 4 hours is a good deal and this arrangement has proven to work out in real life. I will try to stay with this arrangement.

Some Scandallo girls agree to 2,000 for 24 hours but they may not keep up their end of the bargain. They may leave after around 4-5 hours, coming up with all kinds of lame and BS excuses. According to my observation, some working girls here tend not to honor and respect the sanctity of contract. Even after they agree in writing via WhatsApp to a deal of 2,000 reals for 24 hours, they may blow up the deal at any time they wish. The integrity and sanctity of an agreed deal don't matter much to them.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2553074]At the current exchange rate real vs USD, the clinicas are the best deals in the world in my opinion. The top girls at clinicas are as slim, pretty, and GFE as the girls at FKK Globe in Zurich. At the clinicas, the rate is 260 reals per hour. At FKK Globe, the rate is 280 CHF per hour. There is no need for any bargaining or negotiation at clinicas or FKK Globe, which makes sex at these venues a stress-free enjoyment...[/QUOTE]Very informative report, thanks for taking the time to write it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553071]Was in SP for a quick business trip. 3 days. Got mongering in during the day.

Stayed in republica, tons of homeless. FYI that park in praca republica is full of trannies so don't be fooled.

First things first. Photoacompanhantes fucking sucks.

The girls never look like the picture, especially the ones who's location is by cathedral by metro SE. They charge 200 k and look nothing like the pictures, some are hot. Luck of the draw. With the curfew, it's a necessary evil to use the site to bust a nut I suppose. Had 2/3 good sessions. Last one girl was 9/10 but couldn't get hard as she had an attitude and was operated and did condom BJ even though it says BBBJ on her ad. Whatever. Happens.

The prives are amazing. Go to joao monteiro de gama 236 off of saude metro. Did a session with juliana, a japanese Brazil mix. 9/10 face. 69 and finished in mish. DFK. Then with amanda the mamasan. Classic brazilian alina riscado look. They had a special 80 k for 1 HR both times. It's the suburbs so a pain to find tbh. Just ask the taxi drivers where to walk, (I don't carry a phone).
go to gp guia for the best prive info. the locals post there

I also went to the 3 prives in santana. More suburbs.

Prive. Conselheiro Saraiva, 376.

Prive 432 - Rua Conselheiro Saraiva, 432.

Priv the Rua Doutor Olavo Egdio, 482.

They were all pretty average with sixes and sevens. But man it's 40 k for 30 min. Def check it out. Great to stop by one, fuck for a little, and finish in the next one.

I don't like how sao paolo is a lot more spread out than rio, the metro takes forever albeit a great system.

The girls are also less warm than the cariocas, but easier to understand if you speak portuguese with their accent. im sure if you repeat they warm up to you.

Rappi was excellent, def eat the sushi / korean when in town. Reminds me a lot of nyc.

For being the covid capital of the world, still a good time mongering. No problem coming here besides the covid test. You can get your return test at the states at any of the drogarias in town. They advertise it on the front. Was 100 k reals for the rapid test needed to get back.

Cheers.

JW.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the report but bro what is up with those currency conversions? 100 k reals? This ain't Colombia.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553071]...

I don't like how sao paolo is a lot more spread out than rio, the metro takes forever albeit a great system....[/QUOTE]Ueber is your friend. Who wants to be like a sardine in a subway in this time of pandemics? Perish the thought.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553071]...

First things first. Photoacompanhantes fucking sucks...

JW.[/QUOTE]

Price is a first give away. A stunner asking for only 200 is too good to be true.

[QUOTE=XXL;2553095]Ueber is your friend. Who wants to be like a sardine in a subway in this time of pandemics? Perish the thought. [/QUOTE]I would recommend anyone to use UBER plus or pass or whatever it's called so you get discounts on your rides. I used the 1 month free trial when I was there for 2 weeks and saved some dough since I exclusively used UBER to get anywhere in both SP and RJ.

I think the pass for one month was like $6 so even then it's worth it since you save more than that if you use it to go everywhere.

My average trip was like $2 and that's worth it to me to get to places when I want to and not be surrounded by so many people. Security is also a nice peace of mind.

When I left scandallo when it closed the taxi they had out in front charged me double than an uber.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553071]Was in SP for a quick business trip. 3 days. Got mongering in during the day.

Stayed in republica, tons of homeless. FYI that park in praca republica is full of trannies so don't be fooled.

First things first. Photoacompanhantes fucking sucks.

The girls never look like the picture, especially the ones who's location is by cathedral by metro SE. They charge 200 k and look nothing like the pictures, some are hot. Luck of the draw. With the curfew, it's a necessary evil to use the site to bust a nut I suppose. Had 2/3 good sessions. Last one girl was 9/10 but couldn't get hard as she had an attitude and was operated and did condom BJ even though it says BBBJ on her ad. Whatever. Happens.

The prives are amazing. Go to joao monteiro de gama 236 off of saude metro. Did a session with juliana, a japanese Brazil mix. 9/10 face. 69 and finished in mish. DFK. Then with amanda the mamasan. Classic brazilian alina riscado look. They had a special 80 k for 1 HR both times. It's the suburbs so a pain to find tbh. Just ask the taxi drivers where to walk, (I don't carry a phone).
go to gp guia for the best prive info. the locals post there

I also went to the 3 prives in santana. More suburbs.

Prive. Conselheiro Saraiva, 376.

Prive 432 - Rua Conselheiro Saraiva, 432.

Priv the Rua Doutor Olavo Egdio, 482.

They were all pretty average with sixes and sevens. But man it's 40 k for 30 min. Def check it out. Great to stop by one, fuck for a little, and finish in the next one.

I don't like how sao paolo is a lot more spread out than rio, the metro takes forever albeit a great system.

The girls are also less warm than the cariocas, but easier to understand if you speak portuguese with their accent. im sure if you repeat they warm up to you.

Rappi was excellent, def eat the sushi / korean when in town. Reminds me a lot of nyc.

For being the covid capital of the world, still a good time mongering. No problem coming here besides the covid test. You can get your return test at the states at any of the drogarias in town. They advertise it on the front. Was 100 k reals for the rapid test needed to get back.

Cheers.

JW.[/QUOTE]How many girls were at the 236 prive?

Also when using the GP guia how do you translate the site to english?

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2553074]At the current exchange rate real vs USD, the clinicas are the best deals in the world in my opinion. The top girls at clinicas are as slim, pretty, and GFE as the girls at FKK Globe in Zurich. At the clinicas, the rate is 260 reals per hour. At FKK Globe, the rate is 280 CHF per hour. There is no need for any bargaining or negotiation at clinicas or FKK Globe, which makes sex at these venues a stress-free enjoyment.

The pretty clinica girls can also spend the night at your apt (about 12 hours) for about 1,000 reals, with 2 sex sessions, one before going to sleep and one in the morning after she wakes up. At FKK Globe, the cost to spend the night with a girl is just outrageous.

Beautiful Scandallo / Connection girls charge around 500 reals per hour. Multiple-hour deals are not as standardized. A pretty Connection girl came over to my apt for 1,000 reals for 4 hours. Another pretty Connection girl spent the night with me (around 12 hours) with 2 sex sessions for 1,500 reals. I think 1,000 reals for 4 hours is a good deal and this arrangement has proven to work out in real life. I will try to stay with this arrangement.

Some Scandallo girls agree to 2,000 for 24 hours but they may not keep up their end of the bargain. They may leave after around 4-5 hours, coming up with all kinds of lame and BS excuses. According to my observation, some working girls here tend not to honor and respect the sanctity of contract. Even after they agree in writing via WhatsApp to a deal of 2,000 reals for 24 hours, they may blow up the deal at any time they wish. The integrity and sanctity of an agreed deal don't matter much to them.[/QUOTE]Clinica girls are the best value.

I had a girl over for 3 HRs for 300 R plus uber.

She only wanted Bus Fare but I told her I didn't mind getting her Uber and she was very happy about that.

Others had even pretty luck so always hit up the clinicas first.

You might find a stunner and save some cash and probably get a better experience all in one.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2553104]How many girls were at the 236 prive?

Also when using the GP guia how do you translate the site to english?[/QUOTE]Some of us can read and write Portuguese so it's not a problem, for others Google Translate does a fairly good job on Brazilian Portuguese. You just have to manually translate and insert the slang because Google is not good with slang or abbreviations. It's better than before but not perfect but you can understand enough to know what services she provides and if the reviewer was happy or not. To translate some words or phrases in Portuguese you have to know the context of the conversation to get it correct.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553071]

I don't like how sao paolo is a lot more spread out than rio, the metro takes forever albeit a great system.

The girls are also less warm than the cariocas, but easier to understand if you speak portuguese with their accent. im sure if you repeat they warm up to you.


Cheers.

JW.[/QUOTE]I've been living and working here for almost 6 yrs. My tip as to how to enjoy Sao Paulo is simple. Find a carioca, or take the red eye to Rio on the weekends. There's is an old Brazilian saying, "Work in Sao Paulo, spend in Rio."

Quite frankly, the above mentioned tips make this place perfect!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2553066]That's only a good thing if you don't care about being exposed to and infected by a nasty COVID-19 variant.[/QUOTE]The same can be said of clinicas.

But it is always difficult to know exactly where someone got exposed. Many people still work even with symptoms. People can not really quarantine.

Someone I know got the variant and needed to get retested to go back to work. She doesn't have a car so had to take public transportation to go get tested again which came positive again after 3 weeks even though she had no symptoms. I told her next time try to find testing where they will come to people's houses.

The gov't should have given the people at home testing kits instead of money.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2553074]At the current exchange rate real vs USD, the clinicas are the best deals in the world in my opinion. The top girls at clinicas are as slim, pretty, and GFE as the girls at FKK Globe in Zurich....[/QUOTE]I have never been to Globe but have been to many German FKKs which are reputed to have not as hot girls as Globe although there is some migration between clubs. My observation is that FKK girls are a notch above clinica girls in terms of hotness. However, although the FKK girls have provided me with good service clinica girls are much more passionate and seem to enjoy the session a lot more. Nevertheless, my druthers are FKK girls then clinica babes as looks is very important to me.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2553092]I appreciate the report but bro what is up with those currency conversions? 100 k reals? This ain't Colombia.[/QUOTE]LOL give me a break, I'm always pretty tipsy writing these. Bcz I'm a Colombia guy, but it's obvious you don't pay 100 thousand reals.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2553104]How many girls were at the 236 prive?

Also when using the GP guia how do you translate the site to english?[/QUOTE]Roughly 5-7 each time, there was always a guy or two in the wiating room. Pretty good facilities, not a roach motel by any means.

And if you browse gp guia using google, auto translate pops up on the top in the browser bar.

[QUOTE=XXL;2553095]Ueber is your friend. Who wants to be like a sardine in a subway in this time of pandemics? Perish the thought.



Price is a first give away. A stunner asking for only 200 is too good to be true.[/QUOTE]Yep, but don't get me wrong they werent ugly chicks, just not the ones in the picture. Solid eights. It was just the end of the night and a bang is a bang, and tbh after having great prive sex for 40 I'm too cheap to pay 300 + for a reviewed girl or nightclub chick. Maybe I'm a sadomasochist. And the subways werent that packed, specifically up and down the blue line in off hours.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2553155]I've been living and working here for almost 6 yrs. My tip as to how to enjoy Sao Paulo is simple. Find a carioca, or take the red eye to Rio on the weekends. There's is an old Brazilian saying, "Work in Sao Paulo, spend in Rio."

Quite frankly, the above mentioned tips make this place perfect!

Cheers![/QUOTE]Yep, even my taxi driver said "sao paolo e pra trabalhar, rio e pra vagabundiar!" hahahah.

Rio e para vagabundiar.

Since I am vagabundo, I will take special note.

Obrigado.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553207]LOL give me a break, I'm always pretty tipsy writing these. Bcz I'm a Colombia guy, but it's obvious you don't pay 100 thousand reals.

Roughly 5-7 each time, there was always a guy or two in the wiating room. Pretty good facilities, not a roach motel by any means.

And if you browse gp guia using google, auto translate pops up on the top in the browser bar.

Yep, but don't get me wrong they werent ugly chicks, just not the ones in the picture. Solid eights. It was just the end of the night and a bang is a bang, and tbh after having great prive sex for 40 I'm too cheap to pay 300 + for a reviewed girl or nightclub chick. Maybe I'm a sadomasochist. And the subways werent that packed, specifically up and down the blue line in off hours.

Yep, even my taxi driver said "sao paolo e pra trabalhar, rio e pra vagabundiar!" hahahah.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553071]Was in SP for a quick business trip. 3 days. Got mongering in during the day. . . .

The girls are also less warm than the cariocas, but easier to understand if you speak portuguese with their accent. im sure if you repeat they warm up to you. . . .[/QUOTE]Thanks for much needed update.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2553155]I've been living and working here for almost 6 yrs. My tip as to how to enjoy Sao Paulo is simple. Find a carioca, or take the red eye to Rio on the weekends. There's is an old Brazilian saying, "Work in Sao Paulo, spend in Rio."

Quite frankly, the above mentioned tips make this place perfect!

Cheers! [/QUOTE]Yes, a Very popular theme, that runs through Rio vs. SP folklore.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2553207] . . . Yep, even my taxi driver said "sao paolo e pra trabalhar, rio e pra vagabundiar!" hahahah.[/QUOTE]Their is also a popular Rio vs. SP, Brazilian joke that goes something like this:

[b]Cariocas[/b] chuckle and say: [QUOTE][i] "Paulistas are boring, are work-crazy and nothing or nobody great has ever come out of Sao Paulo."
[/i][/QUOTE]
[b]Paulistas[/b], on the other hand, hackle back and say: [QUOTE][i]"Cariocas, just love to surf, sun and samba, all day long and they are waiting for the day when Christ the Redeemer, puts his hands together and claps, after he sees, one Carioca do a good hard days work." [/i][/QUOTE]Yep! Rio vs. SP folklore spats can be legendary.

T's been a slow last two weeks in Sao Paulo. Been cooped up working from home in hotel and only options have been in-calls from my roster and clinicas and prives during the day. Unfortunately, Abbobora has been closed. Had really great experiences and service at Prime consistently. Got a tip from a long time Carioca girlfriend that I should check this spot out in Jardim. It stays opens very late (5 am) and nice vibe. There were about 7 girls in waiting area all were attractive and doable. Nothing in my opinion below 7. I learned that a couple were former Casarao and Connection girls and because everything was shut down this was the best night working option. They said Saturday is probably the best day. Might be a bit more pricy than the normal clinicas and prives but the facilities are first rate and great environment.

Address: Alameda Joaquim Eugênio de Lima, 1674 - casa 1 - Jardim Paulista, São Paulo. SP, 01403-002.

Hours:

Thursday 11 AM–5 AM.

Friday 11 AM–5 AM.

Saturday 11 AM–5 AM.

Sunday Closed.

Monday 11 AM–10 PM.

Tuesday 11 AM–11 PM.

Wednesday 11 AM–12 AM.

Suggest an edit.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2553456]Unfortunately, Abbobora has been closed.
Address: Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 - casa 1 - Jardim Paulista, So Paulo. SP, 01403-002.
[/QUOTE]Do you know if Abbobora closed down permanently?

It's a shame since it was one of nicest clinica that I visited in Sao Paulo.

Any idea what the going rates are over there? Wonder if it compares to MClass.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2553456]T's been a slow last two weeks in Sao Paulo. Been cooped up working from home in hotel and only options have been in-calls from my roster and clinicas and prives during the day. Unfortunately, Abbobora has been closed. Had really great experiences and service at Prime consistently. Got a tip from a long time Carioca girlfriend that I should check this spot out in Jardim. It stays opens very late (5 am) and nice vibe. There were about 7 girls in waiting area all were attractive and doable. Nothing in my opinion below 7. I learned that a couple were former Casarao and Connection girls and because everything was shut down this was the best night working option. They said Saturday is probably the best day. Might be a bit more pricy than the normal clinicas and prives but the facilities are first rate and great environment.

Address: Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 - casa 1 - Jardim Paulista, So Paulo. SP, 01403-002.

Hours:

Thursday 11 AM5 AM.

Friday 11 AM5 AM.

Saturday 11 AM5 AM.

Sunday Closed.

Monday 11 AM10 PM.

Tuesday 11 AM11 PM.

Wednesday 11 AM12 AM.

Suggest an edit.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2553621]Any idea what the going rates are over there? Wonder if it compares to MClass.[/QUOTE]300 per hour, price table attached.

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?t=379&start=360[/URL]

FYI Abbobora is not permanently closed I think the COVID related restrictions end on the April 24th. The major boates probably will not apply. All the prives I went to including Mirunas, Prime, Enjoy Spa all had guys at the gate pretending they were closed. The doors were locked, semi-locked but the establishments were open for business.

Since I arrived in SP on April 12, I have been to Abbobora 3 times. The front gate was always locked, but a garage door 2 doors down was always open and a friendly doorman showed the way my 1st time through the garage and an inner hallway to the Clinica. In my 3 visits I had the pleasure of 3 different girls there and Abbobora was my 2nd favorite Clinica.

This past Wednesday I tried a different Clinica nearby for the 1st time. This one was padlocked in front and I left. Later I found out that this padlocked one is open but by reservation only. So, I went back there yesterday afternoon and had a very nice session with a girl named Bruna.

Anyway, after I left the by reservation only Clinica Wednesday I went to Abbobora, but this time they really were closed, and this was confirmed by the friendly garage guy who by this time knew me. Ha Ha. So I walked over to my favorite Clinica nearby and fortunately they were still open (no padlock) just walk in side. I will give the name of this clinica and a complete description, but only after condition red is lifted. I do not want to see anymore clinicas forced to shut down.

But getting back to Wednesday afternoon, it was probably due to the Abbobora closure that my favorite place was full up and had 3 customers already sitting in the waiting room when I entered. The mamasan was happy to see me and said it would be around a 30 minute wait for a room, not for a girl, they had plenty of girls, but they were short on rooms. So, I sat down and was immediately shown the lineup, one at a time, of available girls and although I had been to this place 3 times before, I had never seen any of these girls. Two were pretty hot IMHO and I selected one. This is the main reason I prefer this clinica over Abbobora: better looking girls although Abbobora, in my experience, has naughtier girls while this place has more. Place has better looking and more GFE girls. In any case I like both Clinicas.

So, I waited around 25 minutes with the other customers until a room was available and then Agatha and I went upstairs and she showed me another really great time.

Then yesterday I almost went back to see the other sexy girl in the lineup, but choose instead to make a reservation at the padlocked place because I had never been there and wanted to check it out. This place was the best furnished clinica of the three. The girl I preselected was in her 30's, but still attractive with very soft skin and we had a great session.

So, during the current SP lockdown I have been having a real good time in these 3 clinicas. As I said I will fill in their names at a safer date. I am probably going back to my favorite one this afternoon. On weekends: Saturday and Sunday I prefer to see 2 MClass super stars. I love them too. And I don't mind paying for their luxury.

Maybe on Monday I will check out this Alameda Joaquim casa. Tuesday I reluctantly head back to RJ.

Waiting patiently for the name of this favorite clinica of yours. While I'm glad that this clinica has attractive girls, why post about it if you won't tell us about where it's at? The anticipation is killing me! Haha.

On a side note, I won't be in SP for a few months at least until Brazil cases go down but I would love to know the name of this clinica in case you forget to tell us about it. Feel free to PM me to share this info if you don't want it to be public knowledge yet.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2553668]Anyway, after I left the by reservation only Clinica Wednesday I went to Abbobora, but this time they really were closed, and this was confirmed by the friendly garage guy who by this time knew me. Ha Ha. So I walked over to my favorite Clinica nearby and fortunately they were still open (no padlock) just walk in side. I will give the name of this clinica and a complete description, but only after condition red is lifted. I do not want to see anymore clinicas forced to shut down.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mcd2293;2553774]Waiting patiently for the name of this favorite clinica of yours. While I'm glad that this clinica has attractive girls, why post about it if you won't tell us about where it's at? The anticipation is killing me! Haha.

On a side note, I won't be in SP for a few months at least until Brazil cases go down but I would love to know the name of this clinica in case you forget to tell us about it. Feel free to PM me to share this info if you don't want it to be public knowledge yet.[/QUOTE]Its either Miruna or Enjoy. Miruna is closer but Enjoy can be reached by foot. For me Enjoy has had consistently nicer looking girls but Miruna has had more. There was a time when Enjoy consistently had hotter girls than Abbobora (circa 2016/2017) but that has since changed. I was in Brazil for carnival 2018 and there were days when clinicas were closed but Miruna was always open and had a significant number of girls to boot. My last visit to Brazil was 2019, too long ago, I need to get back there and can't wait for this catastrophe to come to an end.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2553976]Its either Miruna or Enjoy. Miruna is closer but Enjoy can be reached by foot. For me Enjoy has had consistently nicer looking girls but Miruna has had more. There was a time when Enjoy consistently had hotter girls than Abbobora (circa 2016/2017) but that has since changed. I was in Brazil for carnival 2018 and there were days when clinicas were closed but Miruna was always open and had a significant number of girls to boot. My last visit to Brazil was 2019, too long ago, I need to get back there and can't wait for this catastrophe to come to an end.[/QUOTE]I liked Miruna and Enjoy too. Also Tangara.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2553983]I liked Miruna and Enjoy too. Also Tangara.[/QUOTE]No one mentions France Bel. I last went there in 2016 when I sessioned an ethnic German named Christiane Becker. There is no parade of girls but you look at screen shots of girls where there is an indication of which girls are available; they were quite similar to their photos. I reported on my visit back in 2016. Their girls were quite nice looking. Anyone visited there since?

The weather has been great in SP these last few days. As of Saturday certain restrictions have been lifted. The restaurants can now have seated customers inside their establishments, but must close at 7 pm. Malls and retail shops are open, they were open the day before too, but now most stores have reopened. The parks are open as well. It is real nice to see SP and its inhabitants coming back to life. I had my first dinner out in a restaurant Saturday night with my MClass garota andúmero um. It was our 3rd and best session. She is a keeper and I plan to stay in touch with her and see her next time I am in town.

I assume the clinicas can now be officially open and do not need to hide in plain sight like they did the last 10 days or so. Here is my report:

I like Abbobora and have been there 3 times and done 3 girls there. The Abbobora girls are super friendly. I went overtime with my 1st Abbobora girl, Lais (not sure on the spelling) and she finished me off with CIM. I warned her I was about to explode, but she kept sucking and she took every drop I had to give before she stopped. She is the girl who earlier in the session before vaginal intercourse spat on my index finger and stuck it up her vagina while she masturbated herself into an orgasm. My kind of girl!

My 2nd Abbobora girl was also REAL enthusiastic, and she too finished me off with CIM and took every drop. Anita was a nice-looking girl with natural curves.

But my favorite clinica of the trip, the place where I have had the most fun, without a doubt is Prime Clinica. This is the clinica I was referring to in my last post. Their front gate was always open. Just walk right in. I really like the girls here. So far, I have done 5 girls and I repeated with Marina, a skinny, wild little spinner with a great body and an offbeat personality. But I take my hat off to all the girls at Prime Clinica that I met there: Angelica, Agatha, Marina, Gabrielle, and Kari. Each girl gave her session everything she had to give or at least that's the way they made it seem to me. For 240 br per hour, I couldn't imagine a better bordello.

Another interesting thing about Prime is their lineup is always different on a daily basis. I never saw the same girls in the lineup there except for Marina. My 5 girls were all repeat worthy which is the highest compliment I can give a casa like this. So my advice is, forget about specific girly recommendations. The girls come and go. Prime must have 30 or 40 girls on their roster, but only 10 or so girls are in the house on a daily basis. There are 6 rooms. I specifically asked for Angelica, my 1st Prime girl, a couple of times and I was told she will be back in a few days. Then, I just gave up on requests and selected my girl from the daily lineups who most appealed to me at the point of sale. It worked. Every girl I had performed admirably. So just go there, pick the girl you like best, and have a good time.

I liked Prime more than Abbobora because IMHO I thought Prime had prettier girls, but that could just my luck or timing and the sessions I had with the Prime girls were more traditional GFE IE very passionate / enthusiastic sex while my Abbobora sessions were more PSE. Everyone should go with whatever style, whichever casa you prefer.

But my session Friday afternoon with Kari also included a wet and wild 'round the world 69 before we settled down into the more traditional GFE in 4 different positions, finishing in sideways scissors. I thought Kari was another great girl! She reminded me of the girl that pet sits for my Bengal cats and Macaw back home when I travel. There is no denying it, I must subconsciously want to shag my pet sitter. Ha Ha.

The third and final place I visited was Clinica Carinas where I hooked up with Bruna. This casa was open by reservation only during the closure. My session with Bruna was pretty fantastic. Something clicked between her and myself during the kissing and foreplay part and the session turned out great. Very GFE! Bruna is an older girl well into her thirties. But, she still looks real good. She must have been a stunner in her early years and she keeps herself fit, all natural, pretty face and very, very soft skin. I like her too!

So that is about all I have to report on the SP Clinicas. I am big fan now. I know I missed some other recommended Clincias like Miruna and Enjoy. Thanks for mentioning them guys (Cane, Turgid, and many others) in your reports. I know I will try to get around to them on my next trip.

Scandallo will be open on Monday 26 April. I saw a poster of concert on Monday 26 April. Scandallo is a luxurious place to hangout, grab something to eat, and do some sessions after the clinicas are closed.

During the day: clinicas.

Night: Scandallo or Connection or Bamboa.

Sunday: Use WhatsApp to invite clinica or Scandallo chics to apt.

If you can bring a chic to the swing club Hot Bar, by all means do so. Don't go as a single guy because it will cost you 500 reals entry fee and as a single guy, you will not be allowed to enter the "couple area".

I am starting to like the P4P situation in Sao Paulo even better than the Euro fkks. All the p4p facilities in Sao Paulo are non-smoking, in contrast to the smoke-infested Euro fkks. My wallet likes Sao Paulo better too. It was hard to get consistent GFE service in cheap German fkks like Sharks. For reliable GFE service in Europe, I had to go expensive Globe in Zurich @ 280 CHF / hour. A 3-hour session at Globe would set me back 840 CHF. Ouch!! A 3-hour session with an equally hot chic in Sao Paulo can be had for 1,000 reals.

From now on, my main destination is Sao Paulo. However, after Europe opens again, I will still go to fkk Globe occasionally to satisfy the temptation for naked girls and public sex. Globe has the best lineup in the world, if you like the slender gazelle physique like I do. 99% of Globe girls are slim with flat tummies, slender legs and slender asses.

If I could work remotely, I would live in Sao Paulo.

Enjoy. Cheers. Viva Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2554271]The weather has been great in SP these last few days. As of Saturday certain restrictions have been lifted. The restaurants can now have seated customers inside their establishments, but must close at 7 pm. Malls and retail shops are open, they were open the day before too, but now most stores have reopened. The parks are open as well. It is real nice to see SP and its inhabitants coming back to life. I had my first dinner out in a restaurant Saturday night with my MClass garota andmero um. It was our 3rd and best session. She is a keeper and I plan to stay in touch with her and see her next time I am in town.

I assume the clinicas can now be officially open and do not need to hide in plain sight like they did the last 10 days or so. Here is my report:

I like Abbobora and have been there 3 times and done 3 girls there. The Abbobora girls are super friendly. I went overtime with my 1st Abbobora girl, Lais (not sure on the spelling) and she finished me off with CIM. I warned her I was about to explode, but she kept sucking and she took every drop I had to give before she stopped. She is the girl who earlier in the session before vaginal intercourse spat on my index finger and stuck it up her vagina while she masturbated herself into an orgasm. My kind of girl!

My 2nd Abbobora girl was also REAL enthusiastic, and she too finished me off with CIM and took every drop. Anita was a nice-looking girl with natural curves.

But my favorite clinica of the trip, the place where I have had the most fun, without a doubt is Prime Clinica. This is the clinica I was referring to in my last post. Their front gate was always open. Just walk right in. I really like the girls here. So far, I have done 5 girls and I repeated with Marina, a skinny, wild little spinner with a great body and an offbeat personality. But I take my hat off to all the girls at Prime Clinica that I met there: Angelica, Agatha, Marina, Gabrielle, and Kari. Each girl gave her session everything she had to give or at least that's the way they made it seem to me. For 240 br per hour, I couldn't imagine a better bordello.

Another interesting thing about Prime is their lineup is always different on a daily basis. I never saw the same girls in the lineup there except for Marina. My 5 girls were all repeat worthy which is the highest compliment I can give a casa like this. So my advice is, forget about specific girly recommendations. The girls come and go. Prime must have 30 or 40 girls on their roster, but only 10 or so girls are in the house on a daily basis. There are 6 rooms. I specifically asked for Angelica, my 1st Prime girl, a couple of times and I was told she will be back in a few days. Then, I just gave up on requests and selected my girl from the daily lineups who most appealed to me at the point of sale. It worked. Every girl I had performed admirably. So just go there, pick the girl you like best, and have a good time.

I liked Prime more than Abbobora because IMHO I thought Prime had prettier girls, but that could just my luck or timing and the sessions I had with the Prime girls were more traditional GFE IE very passionate / enthusiastic sex while my Abbobora sessions were more PSE. Everyone should go with whatever style, whichever casa you prefer.

But my session Friday afternoon with Kari also included a wet and wild 'round the world 69 before we settled down into the more traditional GFE in 4 different positions, finishing in sideways scissors. I thought Kari was another great girl! She reminded me of the girl that pet sits for my Bengal cats and Macaw back home when I travel. There is no denying it, I must subconsciously want to shag my pet sitter. Ha Ha.

The third and final place I visited was Clinica Carinas where I hooked up with Bruna. This casa was open by reservation only during the closure. My session with Bruna was pretty fantastic. Something clicked between her and myself during the kissing and foreplay part and the session turned out great. Very GFE! Bruna is an older girl well into her thirties. But, she still looks real good. She must have been a stunner in her early years and she keeps herself fit, all natural, pretty face and very, very soft skin. I like her too!

So that is about all I have to report on the SP Clinicas. I am big fan now. I know I missed some other recommended Clincias like Miruna and Enjoy. Thanks for mentioning them guys (Cane, Turgid, and many others) in your reports. I know I will try to get around to them on my next trip.[/QUOTE]Is the Prime Clinica you are talking about at this address: Av. Iraí, 511 - Moema, São Paulo. SP, 04082-001?

It's crazy how many decent clinicas are within walking distance from each other! I literally walked past a couple going to get food in between breaks from the clinica visits without knowing it.

Clinica Carinas is a decent house as well.

They give you a tablet which has pictures of the girls instead of a lineup which is different from the rest of the other places but for some can be less intimidating for newcomers I suppose. Each girl has a few photos on their profile and some stats so very useful.

I believe I also sessioned with bruna and she was great. Very sensual and slow session that I also enjoyed! They also have good rooms with mirrors on the ceilings and walls and good clean showers. Highly recommend as well if you don't find what you're looking for in abbobora which I still think is my favorite since the girls were very friendly and never had a bad session or didn't like at least 3 girls in the line up. It was consistent which I like although the bathroom and bed were just ok but pretty standard set up like the rest of the other houses.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2553261]Thanks for much needed update.

Yes, a Very popular theme, that runs through Rio vs. SP folklore.

Their is also a popular Rio vs. SP, Brazilian joke that goes something like this:

[b]Cariocas[/b] chuckle and say:
[b]Paulistas[/b], on the other hand, hackle back and say: Yep! Rio vs. SP folklore spats can be legendary.[/QUOTE]I have a love / hate relationship with SP.

I love how many options you have (boates, clinicas, online girls) and how they don't interfere with each other so you can do clinicas or online girls in the day and boates at night. Many great high rise options on airbnb for cheap just make sure they allow girls to visit.

I hate how there isn't much to do but go to the parks, restaurants and malls for fun. I'm sure there are more fun things to do in SP but it's mainly in Portuguese obviously so I can't understand it or enjoy it as much or it's buried somewhere deep or far since it's a monster of a city and everything is like 35 min uber drive away. Plus I enjoy a good warm beach and mountains personally.

If they made a scandallo type boate in rio specifically in the barra de tijuca area where all the nice high rise condos / apartments are than I would say rio without a doubt would have everything but for now its a give and take with the SP and RJ debate which I wrote a whole post comparing the two if you want to check it out.

Good number of detailed and informative reports! Keep up the good reportage fellas.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2554360]I have a love / hate relationship with SP. . . but for now its a give and take with the SP and RJ debate which I wrote a whole post comparing the two if you want to check it out.[/QUOTE]Mongering aside, the jokes, fables and wisecracks presented here by myself and others w/r to the age old feud/rivalry between Cariocas vs. Paulistas, if anything serve to highlight the stark differences in social culture, politics, atmosphere and attitudes of the two (2) cites.

So while the debate will continue to rage on, one can glean small insights into each city from such simple fables/jokes.

For example, if cities (and by extension the people) do indeed have attributes such as culture, politics, atmosphere and attitudes, then I known myself, well enough know, Rio fits my personality and profile better then SP.

Although, there will always be hints of SP, that I will continue to like way better than Rio.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2554392]Mongering aside, the jokes, fables and wisecracks presented here by myself and others w/r to the age old feud/rivalry between Cariocas vs. Paulistas, if anything serve to highlight the stark differences in social culture, politics, atmosphere and attitudes of the two (2) cites.

So while the debate will continue to rage on, one can glean small insights into each city from such simple fables/jokes.

For example, if cities (and by extension the people) do indeed have attributes such as culture, politics, atmosphere and attitudes, then I known myself, well enough know, Rio fits my personality and profile better then SP.

Although, there will always be hints of SP, that I will continue to like way better than Rio.[/QUOTE]I'll take Sao Paolo over Rio any day. Not just for mongering, either. There are parts of SP that are actually nice to hang out in, and I don't just mean a hotel or a beach (as someone who grew up in Florida, I never understood why people travel across the world just to see a beach).

To me, you can't even compare the two. After you've seen the tourist sites, what's left to do in Rio? In SP, I found prives where it's about $30/ girl. I read that SP has 20% of the GDP of all of South America.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2554360] . . . I love how many options you have (boates, clinicas, online girls) and how they don't interfere with each other so you can do clinicas or online girls in the day and boates at night. . . .

If they made a scandallo type boate in rio . . .[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. I would argue that HELP! (pronounced "Helpee", by Brazilians), back-in-the-day was perhaps a close second to a Scandallo type atmosphere that you're wishing for.

Naturally, just an educated guess, since I haven't been to Scandallo (I'll leave that for others to chime-in). But HELP! also had its fair share of stunners, hotties and cuties, coming from all over Brazil, to shake their money makers, in abundance.

For me back then, there was very little need to go to SP, as I tended to enjoy more of what the northern beach and Amazonian cities had to offer.

Yes, one can only dream and wish another HELP! or Scandallo type club, will Rio get back to those type of glory days. But until then I hope Rio, SP and Scandallo, continues to entertain your needs when in Brazil.

Keep the comparisons coming, I think it helps newbies and MBs a like, make better decisions w/r to differences and the pros and cons of Rio vs. SP.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2554408]Couldn't agree more. I would argue that HELP! (pronounced "Helpee", by Brazilians), back-in-the-day was perhaps a close second to a Scandallo type atmosphere that you're wishing for.

Naturally, just an educated guess, since I haven't been to Scandallo (I'll leave that for others to chime-in). But HELP! also had its fair share of stunners, hotties and cuties, coming from all over Brazil, to shake their money makers, in abundance.

For me back then, there was very little need to go to SP, as I tended to enjoy more of what the northern beach and Amazonian cities had to offer.

Yes, one can only dream and wish another HELP! or Scandallo type club, will Rio get back to those type of glory days. But until then I hope Rio, SP and Scandallo, continues to entertain your needs when in Brazil.

Keep the comparisons coming, I think it helps newbies and MBs a like, make better decisions w/r to differences and the pros and cons of Rio vs. SP.[/QUOTE]In my view, Help was a very, very distant second to Scandallo. The facilities were nowhere near as nice, and the girls nowhere near as hot. I routinely left Help taking nobody. At Scandallo it's always my god so, so many good choices I can't decide! To be fair, by the time I started going to Brazil, Help's best days had already passed. The facilities were never on par with Scandallo, but I understand there was a time when the girls were hot, and the price was right. I missed that Helpee era.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2554356]Is the Prime Clinica you are talking about at this address: Av. Ira, 511 - Moema, So Paulo. SP, 04082-001?

It's crazy how many decent clinicas are within walking distance from each other! I literally walked past a couple going to get food in between breaks from the clinica visits without knowing it.

Clinica Carinas is a decent house as well.

I believe I also sessioned with bruna and she was great. Very sensual and slow session that I also enjoyed! They also have good rooms with mirrors on the ceilings and walls and good clean showers. Highly recommend as well if you don't find what you'in looking for in abbobora which I still think is my favorite since the girls were very friendly and never had a bad session or didn't like at least 3 girls in the line up. It was consistent which I like although the bathroom and bed were just ok but pretty standard set up like the rest of the other houses.[/QUOTE]Yes, Prime is at Av. Iraí, 511 - Moema. I like walking around the neighborhood too. But nothing tops Sukhumvit Soi 24 to Soi 26 in BKK for convenience and for in your face (girls sitting outside their parlors beckoning customers inside), wall to wall oilie massage joints. Geylang, in Singapore, was also a national treasure as far as punting and casas were concerned until gentrification began a few years ago. I fondly remember the nights when in addition to all the great Geylang houses (casas) I used to enjoy, there were 100's and 100's of SW girls from Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and China hanging about. They would swarm you at certain residential intersections, 50 to 60 girls at a time. It was all good fun and an amazing experience!

I forgot to mention, that yes, the facilities at Clinica Carinas were the best of the three clinicas I visited. They had a nicely furnished bedrooms and large, clean bathrooms. But the facilities at Abbobora and Prime were ok / good. Bruna! Nice girl. So soft and tender.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2554435]In my view, Help was a very, very distant second to Scandallo. The facilities were nowhere near as nice, and the girls nowhere near as hot. I routinely left Help taking nobody. At Scandallo it's always my god so, so many good choices I can't decide! To be fair, by the time I started going to Brazil, Help's best days had already passed. The facilities were never on par with Scandallo, but I understand there was a time when the girls were hot, and the price was right. I missed that Helpee era.[/QUOTE]First time I have been in RJ and Florida bar was in 1995 and I was only 18 years old. Girls were asking for 20 dollars per noite.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2554271]I had my first dinner out in a restaurant Saturday night with my MClass garota andmero um. It was our 3rd and best session. She is a keeper and I plan to stay in touch with her and see her next time I am in town.[/QUOTE]May I ask was the dinner time on the clock? How did this come up in the discussion?

I enjoy taking cool girls to dinner and what have you before or after a session. You kind of know when the girl will just hang out. The SP escort scene is a little different and I'm sure multiple sessions got her to a certain stage of comfort.

Just like us guys that get around the clubs so do the girls. They too club hop after getting tired of one place. Especially one's are medium range where they can get about their same rate. But the high end girls that will ask 1 k one hour will stay at Scandallo because that's where they can get their asking price.

Like I said before, all the hot girls end up in SP because it is where the money is at. Scandallo is high end but there are private mansions that are even more high end but those you need a Brazilian buddy to get you in. But these girls get like US prices so not worth it IMO.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2554435]In my view, Help was a very, very distant second to Scandallo. The facilities were nowhere near as nice, and the girls nowhere near as hot. I routinely left Help taking nobody. At Scandallo it's always my god so, so many good choices I can't decide! To be fair, by the time I started going to Brazil, Help's best days had already passed. The facilities were never on par with Scandallo, but I understand there was a time when the girls were hot, and the price was right. I missed that Helpee era.[/QUOTE]For me Help was like a magnet I could not resist when in Brazil. It had an infectious vibe both inside and outside. You never could predict what drama you would see between or among girls and between girls and guys and on some occasions I was part of the drama as, for example, leaving the disco with a girl and once outside she tries to pull some BS on me and I have to ditch her and she demanding money to get back inside which I never gave. The variety of girls you would meet there was amazing; I took some really hot girls from Help to my room. Good times.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2554435]In my view, Help was a very, very distant second to Scandallo. The facilities were nowhere near as nice, and the girls nowhere near as hot. I routinely left Help taking nobody. At Scandallo it's always my god so, so many good choices I can't decide! To be fair, by the time I started going to Brazil, Help's best days had already passed. The facilities were never on par with Scandallo, but I understand there was a time when the girls were hot, and the price was right. I missed that Helpee era.[/QUOTE]I think it really depended on what year and what season. Help was always a great time, but seemed especially charged January through April. I suspect foreign men timed trips to escape the winter cold in the north and perhaps hit the New Years and Carnival celebrations. The number of girls from other regions seemed to increase over this period as well. I never took a poll, but I suspect the Brazilian school year being on break for part of that period contributed as well. I always said the supply of hot girls always seemed to miraculously increase to meet the demand from men.

There clearly was an informal supply chain at work. A couple girls from Minas would bus down. They'd call girls back home "we're making XX dollars a week, get your bunda down here". Some fair-skinned girls from the South would fly in. Dark-skinned girls from the north and the same phone calls occurred. They would put their friends up and cram into dumpy apartments in Copa. Some would go back home after making some cash and some would stay. Centaurus and Monte Carlo girls would wander over after closing to make some extra cash. Centaurus girls were a big, fuckin deal back then.

The girls would be seen on the beach between Posto 4 and 5. They would be seen at the cafes and restaurants in the area. Help wasn't just a disco. It was an entire 24/7 sub-economy driven by foreign men and their currency that built up around it. Shit, Help had a high volume currency exchange business in the front.

Having said all that about the regional delights on offer at Help, I always found the Carioca girls the most consistently sensual at professional lovemaking. It seemed like they were determined to uphold the Carioca reputation on their home turf.

In any event, I would say that the peak years were roughly 1995-2005. Most of the time, I found the Help girls to be every bit as hot as Scandallo girls. It was very casual though. There was no pomp and circumstance at Help. Just hot girls, loud music and drinking. It was rather inexpensive to drink there as well. The cover wasn't much and could be avoided entirely by arriving just a bit early.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2554271]The weather has been great in SP these last few days. As of Saturday certain restrictions have been lifted. The restaurants can now have seated customers inside their establishments, but must close at 7 pm. Malls and retail shops are open, they were open the day before too, but now most stores have reopened. The parks are open as well. It is real nice to see SP and its inhabitants coming back to life. I had my first dinner out in a restaurant Saturday night with my MClass garota andmero um. It was our 3rd and best session. She is a keeper and I plan to stay in touch with her and see her next time I am in town.

I assume the clinicas can now be officially open and do not need to hide in plain sight like they did the last 10 days or so. Here is my report:

I like Abbobora and have been there 3 times and done 3 girls there. The Abbobora girls are super friendly. I went overtime with my 1st Abbobora girl, Lais (not sure on the spelling) and she finished me off with CIM. I warned her I was about to explode, but she kept sucking and she took every drop I had to give before she stopped. She is the girl who earlier in the session before vaginal intercourse spat on my index finger and stuck it up her vagina while she masturbated herself into an orgasm. My kind of girl!

My 2nd Abbobora girl was also REAL enthusiastic, and she too finished me off with CIM and took every drop. Anita was a nice-looking girl with natural curves.

But my favorite clinica of the trip, the place where I have had the most fun, without a doubt is Prime Clinica. This is the clinica I was referring to in my last post. Their front gate was always open. Just walk right in. I really like the girls here. So far, I have done 5 girls and I repeated with Marina, a skinny, wild little spinner with a great body and an offbeat personality. But I take my hat off to all the girls at Prime Clinica that I met there: Angelica, Agatha, Marina, Gabrielle, and Kari. Each girl gave her session everything she had to give or at least that's the way they made it seem to me. For 240 br per hour, I couldn't imagine a better bordello...[/QUOTE]Natty- Great post! I normally visit Panama for my South American Latina Romps. Easy access from USA, safe, dollar currency and English spoken throughout. But w Covid on the rise and no end in lockdowns there my desire is to head further south. Very simple question? São Paulo is an extremely large city. What area do you suggest staying? Close the clinics that you mention? Thanks.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2554394]I'll take Sao Paolo over Rio any day. Not just for mongering, either. There are parts of SP that are actually nice to hang out in, and I don't just mean a hotel or a beach (as someone who grew up in Florida, I never understood why people travel across the world just to see a beach).[/QUOTE]I don't go to the beaches in Rio for beautiful sand or surfing or tanning. For me, the sexiest beaches on the planet are in Rio. And the women are in tiny bikinis showing off their amazing curves. If you can speak a little Portuguese, they are generally friendly and appreciate the attention.

Miami Beach is nice of course, but not nearly as nice as Rio.

[QUOTE=Trifecta68;2554487]Very simple question? So Paulo is an extremely large city. What area do you suggest staying? Close the clinics that you mention? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Since this hasn't come up in awhile, I'll offer my opinion. I like the Jardim Paulista area. Great restaurants, cafes, stores, etc. Great walkability down some nice streets. It's more upscale. It's only a couple miles from most clinicas.

If you want to be near the popular clinicas, Moema is the place. It's a nice residential area. I have never stayed there, but I surmise that staying close to Shopping Ibirapuera (mall) puts you close to many amenities and the clinicas.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2554394]I'll take Sao Paolo over Rio any day. Not just for mongering, either. There are parts of SP that are actually nice to hang out in, and I don't just mean a hotel or a beach (as someone who grew up in Florida, I never understood why people travel across the world just to see a beach).

To me, you can't even compare the two. After you've seen the tourist sites, what's left to do in Rio? In SP, I found prives where it's about $30/ girl. I read that SP has 20% of the GDP of all of South America.[/QUOTE]We don't travel that distance for just the beaches. We go to Rio to be in a chica paradise that also happens to have great beaches. It's so perfect to hit the beach before or after a great session or wake up early and surf then do a Termas.

FWIW, I do agree that S Paulo has the best talent and the most option. IMO best quantity and quality of any City in the world.

For me the perfect trip is a few nights in S Paulo followed by a week or more in Rio.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2554484]In any event, I would say that the peak years were roughly 1995-2005.[/QUOTE]And I started going to Brazil after that stretch of time. Right place. But at the wrong time! Story of my life. Sigh!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2554754]Since this hasn't come up in awhile, I'll offer my opinion. I like the Jardim Paulista area. Great restaurants, cafes, stores, etc. Great walkability down some nice streets. It's more upscale. It's only a couple miles from most clinicas.

If you want to be near the popular clinicas, Moema is the place. It's a nice residential area. I have never stayed there, but I surmise that staying close to Shopping Ibirapuera (mall) puts you close to many amenities and the clinicas.[/QUOTE]Airbnb has amazing places listed in both of your suggested locations. So I think I'll spend a week in each! I'll take your advice and double down. Clinics during the day, Scandallo during the evening along w Private55 and ClubM beauties to keep me occupied too.

Look forward to sharing my reviews of both areas and of course the Brazilian bunnies. Thanks Wyatt.

Hello,

I am a foreigner that's planning on coming to Brazil later on this year. I've always wanted to visit Brazil to try out the good food, sight see, and the beautiful girls. I'm already fully vaccinated as well.

What are some general tips that you have for staying safe in São Paulo? I've been told by many users on Reddit that I should avoid going to Rio for my first time in Brazil because of the high crime there.

Also, I plan on hiring a few escorts when I'm there so I wanted to know if these girls charge a "Gringo" price for foreigners that I need to be aware of? I already know that GP Guia is the website to look up reviews of escorts so I will be using that when I'm in Brazil.

I'm currently learning Portuguese right now so that way I can speak and understand a little bit of it when I'm interacting with the girls there. I know a lot of foreigners that try to go to another country and don't speak their language, and the locals find that annoying so I'm going to learn as much Portuguese as possible.

Please let me know any tips and tricks you have for a foreigner's first time in Brazil!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2554754]Since this hasn't come up in awhile, I'll offer my opinion. I like the Jardim Paulista area. Great restaurants, cafes, stores, etc. Great walkability down some nice streets. It's more upscale. It's only a couple miles from most clinicas.

If you want to be near the popular clinicas, Moema is the place. It's a nice residential area. I have never stayed there, but I surmise that staying close to Shopping Ibirapuera (mall) puts you close to many amenities and the clinicas.[/QUOTE]Moema is a wonderful place to stay. This is the decadent area of SP with lots of clinicas and swing clubs and good restaurants, all within walking distance. You can wake up, grab something to eat near your apt, walk to a clinica to bang your favorite chica, and walk back to your apt to bang on your laptop. When you are tired of banging on your laptop, you can then walk to another clinica to bang another chica. You can repeat this cycle as much as you want.

However, if you are a light sleeper, the airplane noise in Moema will wake you up early around 6 AM. The airplane noise persists throughout the day. If you party at Scandallo all night and get back to your apt in the early morning to sleep, this noise nuisance will be a problem. You will need ear plugs.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2555111]Moema is a wonderful place to stay. This is the decadent area of SP with lots of clinicas and swing clubs. However, if you are a light sleeper, the airplane noise will wake you up early around 6 AM. The airplane noise persists throughout the day. If you party at Scandallo all night and get back to your apt in the early morning to sleep, this nuisance will be a problem. You will need ear plugs.[/QUOTE]Ha the earplugs reminds me of a funny story.

Some of you may recall my first real sugar baby was Thifany who I pulled from a Boate in Campinas and, after knowing her a total of 5 hours flew to London. She speaks very little English and me very little Portuguese at the time. We clearly are both a little crazy. Anyhow it was awesome.

Well about three days in, she confesses she is having trouble sleeping from my snoring. So we agree we need to get earplugs when we go souvenir shopping that day. We do all sorts of little souvenir shopping and she buys a cool hat she rocks at the club that night. But at some point she stops me on the street and says "oh my gosh I forgot. We need to buy tampons" and I am like oh fuck me in the ass with a sharp stick. Of all the times to have her period. Goddamit.

But it turns out to be an error in translation! She meant ear plugs! I guess they both stop up a canal. LOL.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2555111]Moema is a wonderful place to stay. This is the decadent area of SP with lots of clinicas and swing clubs. However, if you are a light sleeper, the airplane noise will wake you up early around 6 AM. The airplane noise persists throughout the day. If you party at Scandallo all night and get back to your apt in the early morning to sleep, this nuisance will be a problem. You will need ear plugs.[/QUOTE]There are also lots of restaurants around plus plenty of ATM machines to pull money. There was a decent grocery not far from my hotel where I would go to buy all kinds of items. I also got a haircut at a barbershop that was close by. I really like Moema, and wasn't as bothered by airplane noise as I was during my very first trip to Sampa. But I stayed in a different hotel too last time (Mercure Times Square). Must sit in a better position relative to the takeoff and landing pattern.

[QUOTE=BigDickBez;2555019]Hello,

I am a foreigner that's planning on coming to Brazil later on this year. I've always wanted to visit Brazil to try out the good food, sight see, and the beautiful girls. I'm already fully vaccinated as well.

What are some general tips that you have for staying safe in So Paulo? I've been told by many users on Reddit that I should avoid going to Rio for my first time in Brazil because of the high crime there.

Also, I plan on hiring a few escorts when I'm there so I wanted to know if these girls charge a "Gringo" price for foreigners that I need to be aware of? I already know that GP Guia is the website to look up reviews of escorts so I will be using that when I'm in Brazil.

I'm currently learning Portuguese right now so that way I can speak and understand a little bit of it when I'm interacting with the girls there. I know a lot of foreigners that try to go to another country and don't speak their language, and the locals find that annoying so I'm going to learn as much Portuguese as possible.

Please let me know any tips and tricks you have for a foreigner's first time in Brazil![/QUOTE]Seems like you read the board. Your question is too broad, but do not spend more than what locals pay at boates which is 400-600 R / HR. Clinicas are fixed priced.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2555118]There are also lots of restaurants around plus plenty of ATM machines to pull money. There was a decent grocery not far from my hotel where I would go to buy all kinds of items. I also got a haircut at a barbershop that was close by. I really like Moema, and wasn't as bothered by airplane noise as I was during my very first trip to Sampa. But I stayed in a different hotel too last time (Mercure Times Square). Must sit in a better position relative to the takeoff and landing pattern.[/QUOTE]So that's the reason why they sell a cozy apartment so cheap and I was wondering what's the catch? Too bad and it's so beautiful

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555115]Ha the earplugs reminds me of a funny story.

Some of you may recall my first real sugar baby was Thifany who I pulled from a Boate in Campinas and, after knowing her a total of 5 hours flew to London. She speaks very little English and me very little Portuguese at the time. We clearly are both a little crazy. Anyhow it was awesome.

Well about three days in, she confesses she is having trouble sleeping from my snoring. So we agree we need to get earplugs when we go souvenir shopping that day. We do all sorts of little souvenir shopping and she buys a cool hat she rocks at the club that night. But at some point she stops me on the street and says "oh my gosh I forgot. We need to buy tampons" and I am like oh fuck me in the ass with a sharp stick. Of all the times to have her period. Goddamit.

But it turns out to be an error in translation! She meant ear plugs! I guess they both stop up a canal. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL glad she was looking to plug the other hole!

My plans are slowly coming together. I'm getting my second shot this week and plan on flying to SP 1 month after (early June). Cost looks to be about $550, which I'll probably pay with points.

Moema sounds like a great place to stay. I recently started looking at hotels, but am not sure what to look out for. Location and price wise, "Green Place Ibirapuera" and "Estanplaza Ibirapuera" both look pretty good. Should I worry about "guest friendly" policies? Or are most of my adventures going to be in the clinicas and short term hotels?

Also, seems like a short trip to Rio De Janiero is only about $50 round trip. I'm going to stay 2 weeks in Sao Paulo. I "should" probably mix things up and do a 3 day trip to Rio, right? It looks like RDJ has much more abundant info regarding hotels on this forum (dedicated thread).

Thanks for your help! And I hope to post FRs in about a month!

Edit: Just found some old (from 2019) info for Sao Paulo hotels. I'm going to check that out. Looks like Steve69 recommends Pullman Ibirapuera. It's slightly more than what I want to spend, but at least I know they have a guest friendly policy. Might stay there for 1 week.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556137]LOL glad she was looking to plug the other hole!

My plans are slowly coming together. I'm getting my second shot this week and plan on flying to SP 1 month after (early June). Cost looks to be about $550, which I'll probably pay with points.

Moema sounds like a great place to stay. I recently started looking at hotels, but am not sure what to look out for. Location and price wise, "Green Place Ibirapuera" and "Estanplaza Ibirapuera" both look pretty good. Should I worry about "guest friendly" policies? Or are most of my adventures going to be in the clinicas and short term hotels?

Also, seems like a short trip to Rio De Janiero is only about $50 round trip. I'm going to stay 2 weeks in Sao Paulo. I "should" probably mix things up and do a 3 day trip to Rio, right? It looks like RDJ has much more abundant info regarding hotels on this forum (dedicated thread).

Thanks for your help! And I hope to post FRs in about a month!

Edit: Just found some old (from 2019) info for Sao Paulo hotels. I'm going to check that out. Looks like Steve69 recommends Pullman Ibirapuera. It's slightly more than what I want to spend, but at least I know they have a guest friendly policy. Might stay there for 1 week.[/QUOTE]I can't claim to be an expert on hotels. The Pullman was nice but not really in the middle of any restaurants or bars. Could walk to Tangar but it was not my fave. Stayed at Mercure Pinheiros last time and it was in a great spot to walk to things. Unfortunately Bomboa moved because it was two blocks away. Shame. But you might check out Pinheiros. It's pretty cool and walkable.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2556159]I can't claim to be an expert on hotels. The Pullman was nice but not really in the middle of any restaurants or bars. Could walk to Tangar but it was not my fave. Stayed at Mercure Pinheiros last time and it was in a great spot to walk to things. Unfortunately Bomboa moved because it was two blocks away. Shame. But you might check out Pinheiros. It's pretty cool and walkable.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking of these 3 hotels (all 4 star hotels):

Mercure São Paulo Moema Hotel.

Transamerica Executive Paulista.

Mercure São Paulo Pinheiros.

Most important factor is the proximity to the clinicas. It doesn't look like there are any decent hotels near Scandallo. I suppose I'll just taxi there.

According to Natty, Mercury São Paulo seems to be the best bet, with clinicas in walking distance throughout Moema.

I plan on getting a 4 night stay to see if I like it. Then I can either extend or find a new hotel.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2556159]I can't claim to be an expert on hotels. The Pullman was nice but not really in the middle of any restaurants or bars. Could walk to Tangar but it was not my fave. Stayed at Mercure Pinheiros last time and it was in a great spot to walk to things. Unfortunately Bomboa moved because it was two blocks away. Shame. But you might check out Pinheiros. It's pretty cool and walkable.[/QUOTE]Bomboa is now right across the street from Marriott Apartments though cannot really cross the street with the traffic divider. This hotel is really cheap now and is walking distance to the largest park in SP.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556185]I'm thinking of these 3 hotels (all 4 star hotels):

Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel.

Transamerica Executive Paulista.

Mercure So Paulo Pinheiros.

[/QUOTE]Another hotel to consider is Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera. I stayed there as well as in Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel. I like Bourbon Convention better because Ibirapuera shopping mall is steps away and it is better soundproofed than Mercure. That area felt very safe. Also close to some of the clinicas.

I stayed at Doubletree by Hilton Itaim (rua Manuel Guedes). Girlfriendly of course. Restaurants and convenience stores within short walking distance. Shopping Iguatemi a 20-minutes' walk. I wouldn't want to stay in the Moema area where the clinicas are, because it seemed lacking in convenience stores and eateries.

[QUOTE=XXL;2556224]I stayed at Doubletree by Hilton Itaim (rua Manuel Guedes). Girlfriendly of course. Restaurants and convenience stores within short walking distance. Shopping Iguatemi a 20-minutes' walk. I wouldn't want to stay in the Moema area where the clinicas are, because it seemed lacking in convenience stores and eateries.[/QUOTE]Again, I stayed at the Mercure Times Square in Moema. There was a decent grocery store within walking distance. There was a nearby barbershop. And although not as close as Bourbon, it was walking distance to Ibirupuera Shopping Center where there are a gazillion places to eat on the lower level. Also plenty of ATMs around, including in the shopping center plus a money exchange place there. And restaurants around on the streets. Moema is an excellent choice for all of these reasons, besides the fact that it's close to lots of clinicas for your daytime action. The only negative to consider is airport noise. I did not experience any problems with that when I stayed at the Mercure Times Square. Also had no problem bringing a girl in. She wasn't dressed like a tute, and we walked right past the desk no issues.

Transamerica looks nice (I know fotos can be misleading). Anyone ever stayed there? A decent pool is always nice.

I always stay at the Renaissance in Jardim Paulista. Lots of good food nearby, grocery stores and drugstores. Super safe to walk around all day and night.

Never had an issue with girls staying with me. Last couple of times, I had two girls spend the weekend and Marriott just charges you an extra person fee which is like $100 for two nights which includes breakfast.

Plus. Fogo do Chao is within walking distance. So after like 7 caipirinhas. I stumble home 🤣129315;.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2556404]I always stay at the Renaissance in Jardim Paulista. Lots of good food nearby, grocery stores and drugstores. Super safe to walk around all day and night.

Never had an issue with girls staying with me. Last couple of times, I had two girls spend the weekend and Marriott just charges you an extra person fee which is like $100 for two nights which includes breakfast.

Plus. Fogo do Chao is within walking distance. So after like 7 caipirinhas. I stumble home 🤣129315;.[/QUOTE]Stayed there years ago. Very nice place and I liked the location. A little on the high side, but no more expensive now than 15 years ago! I guess w Covid, hotels are having a hard time filling rooms.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556185]I'm thinking of these 3 hotels (all 4 star hotels):

Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel.

Transamerica Executive Paulista.

Mercure So Paulo Pinheiros.

Most important factor is the proximity to the clinicas. It doesn't look like there are any decent hotels near Scandallo. I suppose I'll just taxi there.

According to Natty, Mercury So Paulo seems to be the best bet, with clinicas in walking distance throughout Moema.

I plan on getting a 4 night stay to see if I like it. Then I can either extend or find a new hotel.[/QUOTE]Mercure are GF. You may consider walk proximity to the nearest metro station. Also, even with google maps tools on walking, sometimes it's just not feasible due to traffic / road layout. Example: you can walk from Moema to Tangara, but practically you need a ride.

I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Combo;2556406]Stayed there years ago. Very nice place and I liked the location. A little on the high side, but no more expensive now than 15 years ago! I guess w Covid, hotels are having a hard time filling rooms.[/QUOTE]Yup. Paying $122 a night with breakfast for two and 100 BRL to use for food and drinks at the hotel. That is the cheapest price I have ever seen at the hotel.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2556208]Another hotel to consider is Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera. I stayed there as well as in Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel. I like Bourbon Convention better because Ibirapuera shopping mall is steps away and it is better soundproofed than Mercure. That area felt very safe. Also close to some of the clinicas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556229]Again, I stayed at the Mercure Times Square in Moema. There was a decent grocery store within walking distance. There was a nearby barbershop. And although not as close as Bourbon, it was walking distance to Ibirupuera Shopping Center where there are a gazillion places to eat on the lower level. Also plenty of ATMs around, including in the shopping center plus a money exchange place there. And restaurants around on the streets. Moema is an excellent choice for all of these reasons, besides the fact that it's close to lots of clinicas for your daytime action. The only negative to consider is airport noise. I did not experience any problems with that when I stayed at the Mercure Times Square. Also had no problem bringing a girl in. She wasn't dressed like a tute, and we walked right past the desk no issues.[/QUOTE]Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.

Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.

Lastly, when I went through the booking process, it showed different nightly rates for 2 people (even w / o meals) vs 1 person (some hotels). This has no bearing on bringing guests to the hotel, right?

Looks like Mercure São Paulo Moema Hotel's largest bed is a double. I prefer a king, or at least queen. So that option's probably out. And Mercure Times Square in Moema also seems to be the same. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera on the other hand has a king size bed. All things considered (convenient location, noise, bed size, and cost), it looks like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is the winner.

I'm actually a bit confused. The Bourbon booking site says it's a "double bed (king size)". So does Brazil consider double = king?

Work has already approved my 2 weeks PTO. I'll probably book the flight tomorrow after my 2nd shot. I read that United is much better than American. Fares and baggage fees are comparable. But I don't think I'll need to pack a check-in luggage. A carry on should be sufficient for a 2 week trip.

I had a horrible session with a Filipina last night. I need this trip to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth that session left. LOL. Weather looks amazing, I'm super excited!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556470]Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.

Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.[/QUOTE]Nothing beats the buffets in Asia and the ones you get in Brazil are definitely not comparable. But get the breakfast anyways if you are a breakfast person like me. I need my proper breakfast to start my day.

Also. If the rate shows two people, keep it that way. Brazilian hotels will charge you a guest charge of you don't have two guests for your room. It happens at some places and doesn't at others. Just book two guests and if they try to charge you, tell them you have two guests booked.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556470]Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.

Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.

Lastly, when I went through the booking process, it showed different nightly rates for 2 people (even w / o meals) vs 1 person (some hotels). This has no bearing on bringing guests to the hotel, right?

Looks like Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel's largest bed is a double. I prefer a king, or at least queen. So that option's probably out. And Mercure Times Square in Moema also seems to be the same. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera on the other hand has a king size bed. All things considered (convenient location, noise, bed size, and cost), it looks like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is the winner.

I'm actually a bit confused. The Bourbon booking site says it's a "double bed (king size)". So does Brazil consider double = king?

Work has already approved my 2 weeks PTO. I'll probably book the flight tomorrow after my 2nd shot. I read that United is much better than American. Fares and baggage fees are comparable. But I don't think I'll need to pack a check-in luggage. A carry on should be sufficient for a 2 week trip.

I had a horrible session with a Filipina last night. I need this trip to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth that session left. LOL. Weather looks amazing, I'm super excited![/QUOTE]I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me!

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2554296]
I am starting to like the P4P situation in Sao Paulo even better than the Euro fkks. All the p4p facilities in Sao Paulo are non-smoking, in contrast to the smoke-infested Euro fkks. My wallet likes Sao Paulo better too. It was hard to get consistent GFE service in cheap German fkks like Sharks. For reliable GFE service in Europe, I had to go expensive Globe in Zurich @ 280 CHF / hour. A 3-hour session at Globe would set me back 840 CHF. Ouch!! A 3-hour session with an equally hot chic in Sao Paulo can be had for 1,000 reals.

From now on, my main destination is Sao Paulo. However, after Europe opens again, I will still go to fkk Globe occasionally to satisfy the temptation for naked girls and public sex. Globe has the best lineup in the world, if you like the slender gazelle physique like I do. 99% of Globe girls are slim with flat tummies, slender legs and slender asses.
[/QUOTE]In my opinion, there is no comparison between Globe and Scandallo wrt ambience, number of available girls and the beauty ratio.

I have visited Globe many times and have never seen more than 60 girls (40 is average). Scandallo had 200+ girls during my visits. Globe deliberately limits top talent (in terms of beauty and skills) to 10-15% of total strength, which amounts to 5-8 girls on any given day. Scandallo had at least 50 girls (25% of the strength) I could have picked without hesitation. Another big problem with Globe is the top talent mostly busy or booked in advance. Some don't even make appearance on the floor the whole day. I didn't think finding a beautiful girl I liked was a problem amount 200+ girls at Scandallo.

I saw plenty of gazelle types in Scandallo. Most of the girls there were healthy looking (enough meet on the bones) than anorexic looking gazelle types LOL. I guess Globe is the place if you fancy only gazelle types LOL.

Those who book girls for multiple hours in Globe can easily take a gorgeous Scandallo girl to spend multiple days for the same price.

I don't like the air-conditioning situation at Globe especially in summer. It is hard to enjoy fucking gorgeous girl when you are sweating like a pig LOL. That is not a problem at Scandallo. Yes, Scandallo is expensive when compared to German FKKs but not when compared to Globe. I plan to visit Brazil more and Fkks bit less. Anyone travelling from US to visit Globe should consider visiting Scandallo.

As you have indicated, public sex and voyer day is unique to Globe and worth experiencing them.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2556484]In my opinion, there is no comparison between Globe and Scandallo wrt ambience, number of available girls and the beauty ratio.

I have visited Globe many times and have never seen more than 60 girls (40 is average). Scandallo had 200+ girls during my visits. Globe deliberately limits top talent (in terms of beauty and skills) to 10-15% of total strength, which amounts to 5-8 girls on any given day. Scandallo had at least 50 girls (25% of the strength) I could have picked without hesitation. Another big problem with Globe is the top talent mostly busy or booked in advance. Some don't even make appearance on the floor the whole day. I didn't think finding a beautiful girl I liked was a problem amount 200+ girls at Scandallo.

I saw plenty of gazelle types in Scandallo. Most of the girls there were healthy looking (enough meet on the bones) than anorexic looking gazelle types LOL. I guess Globe is the place if you fancy only gazelle types LOL.

Those who book girls for multiple hours in Globe can easily take a gorgeous Scandallo girl to spend multiple days for the same price.

I don't like the air-conditioning situation at Globe especially in summer..[/QUOTE]At some point, I plan to stop going to Germany altogether, and will focus my major mongering energies in Brazil and Brazil only. Not just on Sampa and Rio either. I mean, I intend to explore many other areas of the country as well.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556473]I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me![/QUOTE]I don't book room with breakfast for the same reason. I don't know how girl friendly Bourbon is. I didn't bother to check during my stay as it was my first trip and had not plans to bring guests. Some hotels consider any guest that is not with you at check-in time as additional guest. Some hotels change extra for such guests or some refuse entry altogether (I have not experience this case but I do hear other reporting on forums time to time).

Bourbon hotel in Foz do Iguayou did allow guests but they charged me 50 Real each time I had a guest. I agree, registering guest at hotel front desk provides security.

I am trying to use my remaining AA miles so I could fly other better airlines but pandemic is not helping.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556470]Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.
[/QUOTE]I use hotels dot com site and according to them all the hotels you have initially picked are 3. 5 stars just like Bourbon. I personally don't care about stars over 3 unless I am brining a guest to impress.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556470]
Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.
[/QUOTE]Breakfast costs only 5 bucks for 2 at Bourbon. I did have breakfast one day but I went there a closing time. I thought whatever they had left was decent. Yes hotels in Asian countries do have elaborate breakfast. I wouldn't have such high hopes with Bourbon breakfast.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556470]
Lastly, when I went through the booking process, it showed different nightly rates for 2 people (even w / o meals) vs 1 person (some hotels). This has no bearing on bringing guests to the hotel, right?

Looks like Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel's largest bed is a double. I prefer a king, or at least queen. So that option's probably out. And Mercure Times Square in Moema also seems to be the same. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera on the other hand has a king size bed. All things considered (convenient location, noise, bed size, and cost), it looks like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is the winner.

I'm actually a bit confused. The Bourbon booking site says it's a "double bed (king size)". So does Brazil consider double = king?
[/QUOTE]I see the price difference on hotel site but the difference is not much. The site I mentioned above shows the same rate for 1 or 2 people. I see great rates for next few months at Bourbon. Even suite or junior suites are about $40/ night and fully refundable until the day of check-in.

In some countries double bed means a bed double the size of single bed. It could be two single beds attached together or a big single bed (king). Choose 1 double bed instead of 2 single beds.

Even tough Mercure and Bourbon hotels are walkable distance from each other I like Bourbon's location. Mall next door has good food court and few restaurants in case you want to eat something as Cane mentioned in his post.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556229]Again, I stayed at the Mercure Times Square in Moema. There was a decent grocery store within walking distance. There was a nearby barbershop. And although not as close as Bourbon, it was walking distance to Ibirupuera Shopping Center where there are a gazillion places to eat on the lower level. Also plenty of ATMs around, including in the shopping center plus a money exchange place there. And restaurants around on the streets. Moema is an excellent choice for all of these reasons, besides the fact that it's close to lots of clinicas for your daytime action. The only negative to consider is airport noise. I did not experience any problems with that when I stayed at the Mercure Times Square. Also had no problem bringing a girl in. She wasn't dressed like a tute, and we walked right past the desk no issues.[/QUOTE]I agree the shopping center has big food court. It also has few restaurants. There are more than one convince store in that area where you could buy snacks, fruits, water, beer, liquor etc.

I felt very safe walking in Moemo even at night.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2556472]Nothing beats the buffets in Asia and the ones you get in Brazil are definitely not comparable. But get the breakfast anyways if you are a breakfast person like me. I need my proper breakfast to start my day.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Opted out of breakfast. Even in LOS, I had a hard time getting up for breakfast. Not much of a breakfast guy anyways. But Dream Hotel's was worth getting up for. I missed a few, though. I'll probably pay for it a la carte.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556473]I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me![/QUOTE]United flight has been booked! Don't think I'll need check-in luggage, so I'm getting round trip for $535 (about 42 k chase points), although I won't be selecting my seat.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2556503]I use hotels dot com site and according to them all the hotels you have initially picked are 3. 5 stars just like Bourbon. I personally don't care about stars over 3 unless I am brining a guest to impress.
Breakfast costs only 5 bucks for 2 at Bourbon. I did have breakfast one day but I went there a closing time. I thought whatever they had left was decent. Yes hotels in Asian countries do have elaborate breakfast. I wouldn't have such high hopes with Bourbon breakfast.
I see the price difference on hotel site but the difference is not much. The site I mentioned above shows the same rate for 1 or 2 people. I see great rates for next few months at Bourbon. Even suite or junior suites are about $40/ night and fully refundable until the day of check-in.
In some countries double bed means a bed double the size of single bed. It could be two single beds attached together or a big single bed (king). Choose 1 double bed instead of 2 single beds.
Even tough Mercure and Bourbon hotels are walkable distance from each other I like Bourbon's location. Mall next door has good food court and few restaurants in case you want to eat something as Cane mentioned in his post.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Booked a week in Bourbon's best room for less than $40/ night! I booked through Chase ultimate rewards and I think I got an additional discount for booking my flight with rewards points.

Might hit up Rio afterwards. Let's see if I get sick of SP by week's end. LOL. I plan on ubering around while I'm there.

From what I can gather, it looks like I need to get a covid test before flying to Brazil and again before flying back to the US?

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2556428]I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]CDC does not recommend international travel to 80% of the world and Brazil being one of them regardless if you have been vaccinated. Out of 77 million people vaccinated in the US, 5,800 got infected, 7% hospitalized, and 70 died. The vaccine is very effective but there is still a small chance. Look in the general discussion section where Spidy posted some questions to ask yourself if you should go or not.

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-about-5-800-breakthrough-infections-reported-fully-vaccinated-people-n1264186[/URL]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556540]
Might hit up Rio afterwards. Let's see if I get sick of SP by week's end. LOL. [/QUOTE]You can get a free leg if you book by points. The GIG-GRU leg should cost 0 point. Arrive at one airport and leave from the other airport.

Brazil seems to be the only choice for me now Thailand is shut.

[QUOTE=Questner;2556416]Mercure are GF. You may consider walk proximity to the nearest metro station. Also, even with google maps tools on walking, sometimes it's just not feasible due to traffic / road layout. Example: you can walk from Moema to Tangara, but practically you need a ride.[/QUOTE]When in a destination I incorporate an exercise routine into walks from mongering destinations. I do it in Europe, Medellin and Sao Paulo. In SP I always stay in Moema and walk to and from the Moema clinicas. With regards to Tangara I take a taxi to Tangara but walk back to my hotel in Moema going through Ibirapuera park in the process.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2556484]In my opinion, there is no comparison between Globe and Scandallo wrt ambience, number of available girls and the beauty ratio.[/QUOTE]All you say is true. Better food, drinks, service, music (loud, repetitive techno at Globe gives me a headache), security too. For pure top level quality Scandallo is the best venue in the world. Keen to hear from anyone who disagrees.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2556598]All you say is true. Better food, drinks, service, music (loud, repetitive techno at Globe gives me a headache), security too. For pure top level quality Scandallo is the best venue in the world. Keen to hear from anyone who disagrees.[/QUOTE]The baddest "puta palace" on the planet!

[URL]https://vimeo.com/162586573[/URL]

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2556428]I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]A top health official on Wednesday said it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the so-called Indian variant of the disease, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates.

"We don't know about the Indian variant, we don't know enough," Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of public health services at the Health Ministry, said of the strain of the disease ravaging India. Asked about claims and indications that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is effective against the Indian strain, she said: "I didn't see any research on this."

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2556428]I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]Natty went, he seems to be fine. I'll be going (2nd shot today) in early June. Sick of the travel restrictions. Thailand would be my first choice, but they still have quarantine restrictions. I'll visit the LOS end of this year. Vaccination was for the purpose of getting back to normal. If you can't travel after getting vaccinated, what was the point?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2556553]You can get a free leg if you book by points. The GIG-GRU leg should cost 0 point. Arrive at one airport and leave from the other airport.[/QUOTE]I tried adding Rio as a multi-destination trip, but that made the flight $160 more expensive. I'll just book it separately.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556647]
I tried adding Rio as a multi-destination trip, but that made the flight $160 more expensive. I'll just book it separately.[/QUOTE]Did you book by points? I just tried it but to SDU instead of GIG, and it costs 0 point and $6 fee. It does not affect the US legs price I have.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2556675]Did you book by points? I just tried it but to SDU instead of GIG, and it costs 0 point and $6 fee. It does not affect the US legs price I have.[/QUOTE]Yup, I tried on google flights AND chase points. The chase points reservation system is implemented with Expedia.

I tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - SDU - SAO - LAX, which costs $701.

I also tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - RIO - SAO - LAX, which costs $695.

I found that a round trip flight from GRU - SDU is only $22, with free carry-on. LOL.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556677]Yup, I tried on google flights AND chase points. The chase points reservation system is implemented with Expedia.

I tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - SDU - SAO - LAX, which costs $701.

I also tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - RIO - SAO - LAX, which costs $695.

I found that a round trip flight from GRU - SDU is only $22, with free carry-on. LOL.[/QUOTE]Convert Chase points to UA points and use UA to make reservation with your UA points. You can do what I said or just open jaw to save time.

Normally I don't book with points when I don't get the benefit of booking by points. For round trip, I would just pay for it

[QUOTE=Nounce;2556682]Convert Chase points to UA points and use UA to make reservation with your UA points. You can do what I said or just open jaw to save time.[/QUOTE]Ah, I see what you mean now by booking with points. I was trying to book with Chase points, not UA. Thanks for the info! It's more of a hassle at this point. I'd have to cancel my flight, create a new UA account, transfer points, and book again. Not to mention not getting some of the travel protection perks of booking with a CC.

Flights are so cheap between SP and Rio that it's an afterthought.

I did the same thing recently with Mexico. I have had both shots. My only concern was the P1 Variant. I'm reading the P1 Variant is twice as transmittable as regular Covid and Brazil is a hot spot. The thing that really gives me pause is Brazi is overwhelmed with patients now and however remote the possibility I don't want to end up in a Brazil hospital with no language skills in an overwhelmed system. For the record, I'm in my late 50's with no other pre-existing conditions. So, If I was much younger like many of you guys. I would probably go.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556647]Natty went, he seems to be fine. I'll be going (2nd shot today) in early June. Sick of the travel restrictions. Thailand would be my first choice, but they still have quarantine restrictions. I'll visit the LOS end of this year. Vaccination was for the purpose of getting back to normal. If you can't travel after getting vaccinated, what was the point?

I tried adding Rio as a multi-destination trip, but that made the flight $160 more expensive. I'll just book it separately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556489]At some point, I plan to stop going to Germany altogether, and will focus my major mongering energies in Brazil and Brazil only. Not just on Sampa and Rio either. I mean, I intend to explore many other areas of the country as well.[/QUOTE]I don't blame you for that decision especially with favorable currency exchange. I am also moving in that direction but I plan on visiting them once in a while.

I have an upcoming trip to SP towards the end of the month that was booked a while ago. With the current situation there is a chance I may cancel it. If I do make the trip I plan to visit Rio (1st time) for couple of days for sight seeing and to visit 4 x4 and other popular boetes.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556540]
Thanks! Booked a week in Bourbon's best room for less than $40/ night! I booked through Chase ultimate rewards and I think I got an additional discount for booking my flight with rewards points.

Might hit up Rio afterwards. Let's see if I get sick of SP by week's end. LOL. I plan on ubering around while I'm there.

From what I can gather, it looks like I need to get a covid test before flying to Brazil and again before flying back to the US?[/QUOTE]I used uber for all my local transport during my visit except for visiting Prime and Abbobora Clinicas which are walkable distance from Bourbon. Uber is definitely very convenient and safe option in SP.

I do have an upcoming trip to SP and Rio this month but it is going to be a last minute decision whether I make the trip or not.

[QUOTE=Combo;2556723]Flights are so cheap between SP and Rio that it's an afterthought.[/QUOTE]I know. It wasn't about cost in this context. He is paying the flight by points already, so I suggested he could take advantage of the benefit. I mentioned open jaw. In that case, he would need to buy a one way ticket to Rio and then fly back to US from Rio.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556599]The baddest "puta palace" on the planet!

[URL]https://vimeo.com/162586573[/URL][/QUOTE]So True. I got instant flashbacks watching that video and a big smile.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556489]At some point, I plan to stop going to Germany altogether, and will focus my major mongering energies in Brazil and Brazil only. Not just on Sampa and Rio either. I mean, I intend to explore many other areas of the country as well.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true anal lover. The Romanians will miss you but I'll try to comfort them in your absence.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2556882]Spoken like a true anal lover. The Romanians will miss you but I'll try to comfort them in your absence.[/QUOTE]My Germany LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is pretty strong actually. When I first started going, it was 50% butt fucked. That may not sound so bad, until you realize that was a full 20 percentage points behind my Brazil LAA, which easily could have been higher if I lowered my optics standards. In more recent trips to Germany, I was hitting mid to high 60's. Not bad at all! It's just that I have lots of other countries I would like to visit. If those countries have a mongering scene great! And if they don't, then that's fine too. Because I will still always have my Brazil to return to. I'm good!

I know Scandallo currently isn't open on Sundays according to their website.

Google does list it as open on Sundays, so I wonder if they used to be open on Sundays, especially pre-pandemic. If they used to be open on Sundays, I am hoping they will again in the future, due to the scheduling of some of my upcoming trips to SP in the summer and fall.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2556948]I know Scandallo currently isn't open on Sundays according to their website.

Google does list it as open on Sundays, so I wonder if they used to be open on Sundays, especially pre-pandemic. If they used to be open on Sundays, I am hoping they will again in the future, due to the scheduling of some of my upcoming trips to SP in the summer and fall.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but it's closed on Sundays.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2556948]I know Scandallo currently isn't open on Sundays according to their website.

Google does list it as open on Sundays, so I wonder if they used to be open on Sundays, especially pre-pandemic. If they used to be open on Sundays, I am hoping they will again in the future, due to the scheduling of some of my upcoming trips to SP in the summer and fall.[/QUOTE]Yes, they were open pre-pandemic. I have visited the place on a Sunday during my trip in 2019.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2556984]Yes, they were open pre-pandemic. I have visited the place on a Sunday during my trip in 2019.[/QUOTE]Thanks,. If I only had one night to visit Scandallo, which night would normally be the busiest in terms of amount of girls present? Thursday, Friday or Saturday night?

I have a trip planned 3 days / 2 nights trip with the boys to SP planned for later this month, followed by a 4 days / 3 nights solo trip to SP and Rio for the summer.

I am sure 3 nights between SP and Rio (for my 2nd trip) is too short, but with family and work obligations, that's the longest I can be away.

I was planning on 2 nights in Rio on Thursday and Friday and then spend Saturday in SP before flying home Sunday evening. I might switch it up and spend Thursday night in SP and Friday and Saturday night in Rio if that's a better fit for maximizing the talent level in Scandallo and big thermas in Rio.

Basically, my question is:. If you have 3 nights in SP and Rio, how would you split that up?

Socrates.

I think the peak night in Scandallo is probably Wednesday followed by Thursday then maybe Friday. And that's the case for most of the clubs in Sao Paulo. But those days might also be the best for the Termas and prives in Rio. Weekends in both cities tend to have less activity. Though given the size of the scenes, you wont go w/o pussy.

For the few nights you have on the ground, I'd probably settle on one city.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2556996]If I only had one night to visit Scandallo, which night would normally be the busiest in terms of amount of girls present? Thursday, Friday or Saturday night?


Basically, my question is:. If you have 3 nights in SP and Rio, how would you split that up?[/QUOTE]I am very new to the Brazil scene with only 1 trip to SP under my belt. Hopefully experts with SP scene will be able to provide you better guidance.

Based on what I read on this forum SP is a business town where lot of people come in from other places during weekdays and leave on Friday. High end clubs like Scandallo cater to such business man, which means they are busy on weekdays than during weekend. Consensus is that Thursday is the peak with most girls which I can confirm based on my experience. I did visit the club on Thursday and Sunday and I saw way less girls on Sunday.

If I were you I would do SP on Thursday and use other 2 days however you like.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2556996]Thanks,. If I only had one night to visit Scandallo, which night would normally be the busiest in terms of amount of girls present? Thursday, Friday or Saturday night?

I have a trip planned 3 days / 2 nights trip with the boys to SP planned for later this month, followed by a 4 days / 3 nights solo trip to SP and Rio for the summer.

I am sure 3 nights between SP and Rio (for my 2nd trip) is too short, but with family and work obligations, that's the longest I can be away.

I was planning on 2 nights in Rio on Thursday and Friday and then spend Saturday in SP before flying home Sunday evening. I might switch it up and spend Thursday night in SP and Friday and Saturday night in Rio if that's a better fit for maximizing the talent level in Scandallo and big thermas in Rio.

Basically, my question is:. If you have 3 nights in SP and Rio, how would you split that up?.[/QUOTE]If you're flying to Rio/SP, then at least it's better time wise then taking the +6 HR bus ride. Although, consider that, a good chuck of time may still be eaten up with travel between hotels, taxis, airport check-in and airplane time in your 3-day scenario.

W/R to Rio, last I checked Wed thru Fri, are all good days for the termas/P4P action, with Thursdays, still being the best, as much of the business crowd, tend to go home to their wives for the weekend on Fridays.

Personally, I would stick to one city for the 3-days.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2554449]Yes, Prime is at Av. Ira, 511 - Moema. I like walking around the neighborhood too. But nothing tops Sukhumvit Soi 24 to Soi 26 in BKK for convenience and for in your face (girls sitting outside their parlors beckoning customers inside), wall to wall oilie massage joints. Geylang, in Singapore, was also a national treasure as far as punting and casas were concerned until gentrification began a few years ago. I fondly remember the nights when in addition to all the great Geylang houses (casas) I used to enjoy, there were 100's and 100's of SW girls from Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and China hanging about. They would swarm you at certain residential intersections, 50 to 60 girls at a time. It was all good fun and an amazing experience!

I forgot to mention, that yes, the facilities at Clinica Carinas were the best of the three clinicas I visited. They had a nicely furnished bedrooms and large, clean bathrooms. But the facilities at Abbobora and Prime were ok / good. Bruna! Nice girl. So soft and tender.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the deets on Moema clinicas. I'll be sure to make good use of the info.

Do you think Geylang is no longer fun to visit? Or is it just less fun now? I've never been, but will eventually visit, if it's worth it.

As for Thailand, I think the best in your face spots are (were) Thermae Cafe, Cowboy, Nana, and Pattaya's Soi 6. Soi 24 and 26 were the massage shop allies, right? I never had much luck finding any attractive ladies there. One of my favorite soapy massage shops was Mai Chan at Sukhumvit 19. Girls were much cuter and younger. It seemed to tailor to the Japanese / Korean clientele. But pricing was the same as other soapy massage shops.

[URL]bangkokoutline.com[/URL]/ mai-chan-massage-Bangkok /.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2553101]I would recommend anyone to use UBER plus or pass or whatever it's called so you get discounts on your rides. I used the 1 month free trial when I was there for 2 weeks and saved some dough since I exclusively used UBER to get anywhere in both SP and RJ.

I think the pass for one month was like $6 so even then it's worth it since you save more than that if you use it to go everywhere.

My average trip was like $2 and that's worth it to me to get to places when I want to and not be surrounded by so many people. Security is also a nice peace of mind.

When I left scandallo when it closed the taxi they had out in front charged me double than an uber.[/QUOTE]Looks like Uber pass only gives 1 week trials now, $25/ mo after. Security is a big concern for me, too.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2557022]Looks like Uber pass only gives 1 week trials now, $25/ mo after. Security is a big concern for me, too.[/QUOTE]Don't worry security. An Uber is as safe as a taxi IMO and maybe safer because no money involved. You don't need a discount card. Uber is so cheap in Brasil it's laughable. You don't even need to budget for it.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2557002]Based on what I read on this forum SP is a business town where lot of people come in from other places during weekdays and leave on Friday. High end clubs like Scandallo cater to such business man, which means they are busy on weekdays than during weekend. Consensus is that Thursday is the peak with most girls which I can confirm based on my experience. If I were you I would do SP on Thursday and use other 2 days however you like.[/QUOTE]I have been to Scandallo several times, always on a Friday or Saturday. And I can say that by 7 pm people were already in there, and then when it really gets rolling, I'm bumping into people left and right everywhere I look! So don't believe you won't find wall to wall people in Scandallo on a Friday or a Saturday night. You can, and I always have. Also, with only 3 days to work with, that's too short to split up between two cities with so much to offer. Stick with just one. Don't ask me which, because I can't answer that. Rio was my first love, but I have come to love Sampa too, which is very different. You really should do both, but 3 days won't allow you to do that very well. So, you have to choose one. I can't tell you which one. Like the girls say in Thailand, "Up to you."

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2557026]Don't worry security. An Uber is as safe as a taxi IMO and maybe safer because no money involved. You don't need a discount card. Uber is so cheap in Brasil it's laughable. You don't even need to budget for it.[/QUOTE]LOL thanks! I'll skip the Uber Pass. Sounds like $25 might be what I spend on Uber the whole time I'm there, minus to / from the airport.

And for Uber being safe, I meant that's why I'm taking Uber, because I'm concerned for my safety. Haha.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2557040]LOL thanks! I'll skip the Uber Pass. Sounds like $25 might be what I spend on Uber the whole time I'm there, minus to / from the airport.[/QUOTE]Dude I spent 1 hour inside of an Uber today in Rio and it was less than $7 with the toll! Uber and the exchange rate has changed the game around this mf.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2556677]Yup, I tried on google flights AND chase points. The chase points reservation system is implemented with Expedia.

I tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - SDU - SAO - LAX, which costs $701.

I also tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - RIO - SAO - LAX, which costs $695.

I found that a round trip flight from GRU - SDU is only $22, with free carry-on. LOL.[/QUOTE]How you find that $22 flight? Best I could find was $60. Bus roundtrip is $20. So I guess is 5 hours worth the $40, but I could sleep on the bus and prepare for the night when I arrive.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2556996]I have a trip planned 3 days / 2 nights trip with the boys to SP planned for later this month, followed by a 4 days / 3 nights solo trip to SP and Rio for the summer.[/QUOTE]Let's be clear on this last point. You do know you are leaving the beginning of summer in the USA (and Europe) and heading into Brazil's cooler winter season. Brazil's tropical so it's mild, but expect temps to top out in the 70's during shortened days.

I enjoy Rio in May / June. There's less rain. However if you like long, hot days at the beach, this might impact your decision. On the flip side, muggy summer days are not too desirable in the city of Sao Paulo. The cooler months can be more pleasant than summer months in SP.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2557106]How you find that $22 flight? Best I could find was $60. Bus roundtrip is $20. So I guess is 5 hours worth the $40, but I could sleep on the bus and prepare for the night when I arrive.[/QUOTE]I searched on google flights SAO - RIO (6/24-6/28). GOL flights came back as $42. But under "Booking options" it shows [URL]gotogate.com[/URL] as $25. And I believe their carry-on + personal item are free.

Here was the price breakdown on gotogate:

Price / personUS $11.52.

Taxes & charges / personUS $13.40.

Total / personUS $24.92.

Certain days are cheaper. But even on more expensive dates, it looks like it's only $12 more (total $37, although it shows up as $54 on google flights). Unless someone knows of surcharges gotogate tacks on during checkout?

Actually, I did confirm. If you skip all their frills (seat selection, carry-on, etc), it comes out to $36 (for higher priced flights) on GOL airlines on gotogate.com.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2557106]How you find that $22 flight? Best I could find was $60. Bus roundtrip is $20. So I guess is 5 hours worth the $40, but I could sleep on the bus and prepare for the night when I arrive.[/QUOTE]It also looks like you need to book at least 2 weeks in advance to get any kind of discounted airfare. Last minute bookings look to be $80+.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2557221]I searched on google flights SAO - RIO (6/24-6/28). GOL flights came back as $42.
[/QUOTE]First you need to be aware that there are 2 airports in both Sao Paulo and Rio. One is domestic only. The other is international and domestic. The picture that you posted is from Congonhas airport, which is the domestic airport in Sao Paulo. If you are coming in from another country then you will arrive at Guarulhos airport. You would need to take a bus or taxi a long way away to Congonhas to catch the other flight. You need to look for flights between GRU and SDU. I recommend going to Azul's website to buy it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2557240]First you need to be aware that there are 2 airports in both Sao Paulo and Rio. One is domestic only. The other is international and domestic. The picture that you posted is from Congonhas airport, which is the domestic airport in Sao Paulo. If you are coming in from another country then you will arrive at Guarulhos airport. You would need to take a bus or taxi a long way away to Congonhas to catch the other flight. You need to look for flights between GRU and SDU. I recommend going to Azul's website to buy it.[/QUOTE]Yes. The idea is that I'd spend a week in SP before doing a round trip SP. RIO for a few days. And I'd fly out of SP again back to the US at the end of my trip. This isn't the multi-destination trip (LAX. Rio - SP. LAX). This is LAX. SP with SP. RIO in the middle.

So finding that cheap flight out of Congonhas was intentional. It's also only 6 minutes from the Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera hotel. Super convenient!

I typically like to book as late as possible in case there's change of plans, but early enough to still get the best deal possible. So I'll probably book that flight in a week or two.

I have been Brazil several times by no means I'm a expert, everything being said is good advice choose one city I prefer SP the beach in not a major concern with me coming from The Bahamas. Never made it to Scandallo but is on the very top of my list my next trip but I'll be going to local spots around the city also.

[QUOTE=ExumaStealth;2557311]I have been Brazil several times by no means I'm a expert, everything being said is good advice choose one city I prefer SP the beach in not a major concern with me coming from The Bahamas. Never made it to Scandallo but is on the very top of my list my next trip but I'll be going to local spots around the city also.[/QUOTE]What are some of your favorite local spots? =).

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2557268]Yes. The idea is that I'd spend a week in SP before doing a round trip SP. RIO for a few days. And I'd fly out of SP again back to the US at the end of my trip. This isn't the multi-destination trip (LAX. Rio - SP. LAX). This is LAX. SP with SP. RIO in the middle.

So finding that cheap flight out of Congonhas was intentional. It's also only 6 minutes from the Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera hotel. Super convenient!

I typically like to book as late as possible in case there's change of plans, but early enough to still get the best deal possible. So I'll probably book that flight in a week or two.[/QUOTE]This sounds good. Basically, you are taking a side trip from SP to RJ which requires a domestic roundtrip CGH. SDU. I liked GOL. The airlines that doesn't take off on schedule. They take off ahead of schedule! My kind of airline. But there are other carriers, just book the cheapest with the times that suit you.

But let me suggest that if you want to eliminate one leg of the domestic roundtrip flight CGH – SDU and just fly one way to RJ, to reconsider the multi destination trip LAX–GRU: GIG-LAX. I do not believe it will cost you more than the international LAX round trip and you will not have to waist 3 hours travelling back to SP on a domestic roundtrip. But I understand why you might want to return to SP after spending time in RJ, so as always, up to you.

One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).

RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. [URL]https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro[/URL].

I suppose you can compare RJ with Phuket where arguably Phuket has nicer beaches, but RJ is a much better destination for girls. Much better. Thus, I would take RJ over Phuket almost any day in the week.

It comes down to which flavor of ice cream you desire at the moment; Vanilla ice cream with some mixed flavors available at the same time or Mango ice cream. IMHO Brazilian girls live up to the hype. They look very sexy and they are great in bed especially doing DFK, Deep throat, and CIM. Thai girls are by nature and culture much more demure and conservative, but that is real nice too. The one thing that I found, however, was that my Brazilian girls were all condom girls while I have always experienced Thai girls to be less concerned about this issue and forget about Indonesian, Cambodian, and Filipina girls with whom bareback is pretty much the default.

Anyway, have fun. I know you will.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557383]It comes down to which flavor of ice cream you desire at the moment; Vanilla ice cream with some mixed flavors available at the same time or Mango ice cream. IMHO Brazilian girls live up to the hype. They look very sexy and they are great in bed especially doing DFK, Deep throat, and CIM.[/QUOTE]And if you enjoy anal sex with hot girls, then Brazil is like Heaven on earth. It's modern-day Sodom I tell you! I used to ask why? Now, I just do it!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557383]This sounds good. Basically, you are taking a side trip from SP to RJ which requires a domestic roundtrip CGH. SDU. I liked GOL. The airlines that doesn't take off on schedule. They take off ahead of schedule! My kind of airline. But there are other carriers, just book the cheapest with the times that suit you.

But let me suggest that if you want to eliminate one leg of the domestic roundtrip flight CGH SDU and just fly one way to RJ, to reconsider the multi destination trip LAXGRU: GIG-LAX. I do not believe it will cost you more than the international LAX round trip and you will not have to waist 3 hours travelling back to SP on a domestic roundtrip. But I understand why you might want to return to SP after spending time in RJ, so as always, up to you.

One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).

RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. [URL]https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro[/URL].

I suppose you can compare RJ with Phuket where arguably Phuket has nicer beaches, but RJ is a much better destination for girls. Much better. Thus, I would take RJ over Phuket almost any day in the week.

It comes down to which flavor of ice cream you desire at the moment; Vanilla ice cream with some mixed flavors available at the same time or Mango ice cream. IMHO Brazilian girls live up to the hype. They look very sexy and they are great in bed especially doing DFK, Deep throat, and CIM. Thai girls are by nature and culture much more demure and conservative, but that is real nice too. The one thing that I found, however, was that my Brazilian girls were all condom girls while I have always experienced Thai girls to be less concerned about this issue and forget about Indonesian, Cambodian, and Filipina girls with whom bareback is pretty much the default.

Anyway, have fun. I know you will.[/QUOTE]As always, thanks for the 411, Natty! For Thailand, I could go to a few spots and all the girls and shops were pretty much in your face, as you say. If SP and RJ are more spread out with their clinicas, boetas, and termas, how does one go look for them other than relying on the field reports posted here? I've jotted down a few of the clinicas that have been posted here, but from what I can tell, they look very inconspicuous from the outside. So it doesn't seem like you can just walk around looking for them? Or do I just google map it? Looks like lots of clinicas pop up on google maps in SP. LOL.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get BBFS in Thailand often. It happened a few times. I think it's because the first few times, I was paranoid of STD due to the stigma. So I can't say I was looking very hard for it, either. But the last time I went, I did get it 2 or 3 times. Out of my 2 week visit. LOL. Hopefully, I'll have a higher success rate on my next visit.

RJ beaches sound wonderful! And to be honest, I wasn't that impressed with the beaches in Thailand. I think I should stay in RJ for 4 days instead of 3. Sounds like a great place to relax and the beaches you mention look amazing. I like the club scene, too, so the termas sound very appealing. For this trip, I'll stick with the round trip between SP and RJ. I don't want to go and cancel my flight and rebook it. I'll keep this in mind for my next visit. But does that still mean I need to book with points? I checked on google flights. LAX. RIO - SP. LAX costs $696 as opposed to my $535 roundtrip from LAX. SP. It's also $695 for LAX. SP - RIO. LAX. I think it's because they're automatically tacking on the checked bag costs? Not sure why they do that.

I seriously cannot wait to visit Brazil! I had some really good GFE experiences in LOS, too. And if Brazil is even hotter than that? Whew.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557479]And if you enjoy anal sex with hot girls, then Brazil is like Heaven on earth. It's modern-day Sodom I tell you! I used to ask why? Now, I just do it![/QUOTE]I kind of know what you are talking about. I was just doing my thing one night with Red, a girl in Solarium. It was our 1st time together and we had just finished a lugubrious 69. Her pussy was wet, wide open, and ready to go. She asked for a condom, however, I protested slightly, and then I gave her one of my Sagami 002's. She applied the condom onto my dick, lubricated herself (I wondered why at that exact moment – ha ha), and then she began the mount, but I didn't slide right into her as I expected. Then I realized she was trying to impale herself anally on my dick. It only took a little bit longer than usual to get fully immersed, but soon I was all the way in and away we went. What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.

Thanks for all the replies with sound advice and good info. I wouldn't have dreamed of splitting up my 4 days / 3 nights trip to Brazil in August between SP and RJ if was my first time in Brazil. However, I'll be doing a 3 day, 2 nights trip to SP in June with my boys and we'll hit up a few boates (definitely Scandallo) and clinicas (the big ones in Moena).

This second trip in August is more of a visit to RJ, but making sure I have one night at Scandallo as well. My flights will be arriving to and departing from GRU (I had a great deal on RT business class seats for $500 durimg a flash sale) Like SinfullyKorean, my trip to RJ has to be nested in the middle of flights from / to GRU from the US. Unlike him, I don't have the luxury of staying for almost 2 weeks in Brazil.

With the advice and insight provided, I will probably arrive into GRU on Thursday morning, then hop on a flight to SDU. I will have 3 days and 2 nights to check out RJ termas, prives and maybe outcalls, then fly out Sat afternoon from SDU to CGH and have fun in Scandallo at night and maybe hit up a clinica on Sunday before flying home in the evening from GRU.

As the domestic airports are so much closer to the hotels I'll be staying at (Copacabana and Paulista Av.) than the international airports (GRU / GIG) I should also save some travel time, which is key due to my tight itinerary.

Hopefully, my two short trips in June and August will give me a sense of which city I prefer more for future trips, as I have two more trips planned for the fall and winter!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557479]And if you enjoy anal sex with hot girls, then Brazil is like Heaven on earth. It's modern-day Sodom I tell you! I used to ask why? Now, I just do it![/QUOTE]Hahaha, I'm the same way with anal. I think to myself, why? Is this better than vaginal? Can't wait!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557647]I kind of know what you are talking about. I was just doing my thing one night with Red, a girl in Solarium. It was our 1st time together and we had just finished a lugubrious 69. Her pussy was wet, wide open, and ready to go. She asked for a condom, however, I protested slightly, and then I gave her one of my Sagami 002's. She applied the condom onto my dick, lubricated herself (I wondered why at that exact moment ha ha), and then she began the mount, but I didn't slide right into her as I expected. Then I realized she was trying to impale herself anally on my dick. It only took a little bit longer than usual to get fully immersed, but soon I was all the way in and away we went. What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.[/QUOTE]I was going to ask if anal costs extra, but you answered my question: the.

I'm typically a 2 shot guy in a 1 HR session. Is that ok with these girls (whether clinicas, scandallo, or escorts)? Or would you advise just getting 2 separate sessions with 2 diff chicks?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557647]I kind of know what you are talking about. I was just doing my thing one night with Red, a girl in Solarium. It was our 1st time together and we had just finished a lugubrious 69. Her pussy was wet, wide open, and ready to go. She asked for a condom, however, I protested slightly, and then I gave her one of my Sagami 002's. She applied the condom onto my dick, lubricated herself (I wondered why at that exact moment ha ha), and then she began the mount, but I didn't slide right into her as I expected. Then I realized she was trying to impale herself anally on my dick. It only took a little bit longer than usual to get fully immersed, but soon I was all the way in and away we went. What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.[/QUOTE]"Unsolicited sodomy". This caused another literal laugh out loud! LOLOLOL!

Took the vaccine a while ago and decided to take the plunge back to SP for some work and play. I've been here 6 days so far and from what I've observed people are wearing masks and keeping distance. Did not visit any clinicas as I had a list of twitter or website girls I wanted to see. One of the girls I met last trip helped me with finding testing site before I arrived for the return flight home.

I saw both of these places in Moema and both were directly next to each other and offered same day results via website login.

Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.

Fleury. Did not check price but they do home visit appointments.

Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.

More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Goinh to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2557483]As always, thanks for the 411, Natty! For Thailand, I could go to a few spots and all the girls and shops were pretty much in your face, as you say. If SP and RJ are more spread out with their clinicas, boetas, and termas, how does one go look for them other than relying on the field reports posted here? I've jotted down a few of the clinicas that have been posted here, but from what I can tell, they look very inconspicuous from the outside. So it doesn't seem like you can just walk around looking for them? Or do I just google map it? Looks like lots of clinicas pop up on google maps in SP. LOL.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get BBFS in Thailand often. It happened a few times. I think it's because the first few times, I was paranoid of STD due to the stigma. So I can't say I was looking very hard for it, either. But the last time I went, I did get it 2 or 3 times. Out of my 2 week visit. LOL. Hopefully, I'll have a higher success rate on my next visit.

RJ beaches sound wonderful! And to be honest, I wasn't that impressed with the beaches in Thailand. I think I should stay in RJ for 4 days instead of 3. Sounds like a great place to relax and the beaches you mention look amazing. I like the club scene, too, so the termas sound very appealing. For this trip, I'll stick with the round trip between SP and RJ. I don't want to go and cancel my flight and rebook it. I'll keep this in mind for my next visit. But does that still mean I need to book with points? I checked on google flights. LAX. RIO - SP. LAX costs $696 as opposed to my $535 roundtrip from LAX. SP. It's also $695 for LAX. SP - RIO. LAX. I think it's because they're automatically tacking on the checked bag costs? Not sure why they do that.

I seriously cannot wait to visit Brazil! I had some really good GFE experiences in LOS, too. And if Brazil is even hotter than that? Whew.[/QUOTE]Really your best source of info is here. If you just Google CLínicas you will get legit medical things and other. If you want more high end facilities then I liked Abbobora and Natty recommended Prime. Enjoy is supposed to be good also. I did Tangará that often gets good reviews and the girls were a good value and they were super nice but the facilities are kinda Motel 6 like. Not really my thing. Others may want to weigh in on mid and low priced CLínicas.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2557221]I searched on google flights SAO - RIO (6/24-6/28). GOL flights came back as $42. But under "Booking options" it shows [URL]gotogate.com[/URL] as $25. And I believe their carry-on + personal item are free.

Here was the price breakdown on gotogate:

Price / personUS $11.52.

Taxes & charges / personUS $13.40.

Total / personUS $24.92.

Certain days are cheaper. But even on more expensive dates, it looks like it's only $12 more (total $37, although it shows up as $54 on google flights). Unless someone knows of surcharges gotogate tacks on during checkout?

Actually, I did confirm. If you skip all their frills (seat selection, carry-on, etc), it comes out to $36 (for higher priced flights) on GOL airlines on gotogate.com.[/QUOTE]I tried it and even tried it for your dates, I still couldn't get it for that price. Oh well.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2557722]Took the vaccine a while ago and decided to take the plunge back to SP for some work and play. I've been here 6 days so far and from what I've observed people are wearing masks and keeping distance. Did not visit any clinicas as I had a list of twitter or website girls I wanted to see. One of the girls I met last trip helped me with finding testing site before I arrived for the return flight home.

I saw both of these places in Moema and both were directly next to each other and offered same day results via website login.

Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.

Fleury. Did not check price but they do home visit appointments.

Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.

More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Goinh to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.[/QUOTE]I did the twitter girls when selling sex was allowed on there during the boom. I recommend Sabrina rabanne, she's a minx. One of the most gorgeous women on the planet with good GFE session was Brenda paes, but unfortunately she committed suicide 2 years ago. Any twitter women you recommend on your list?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557647]... What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.[/QUOTE]Kind of reminds me of my very first sexual encounter at high school. Two Catholic students romping in the sack. She would not allow me vaginal sex because she was a virgin but she did allow entrance through the back door which I traversed to fruition. My teenage self thought then that if vaginal sex was like this then damn!

Do you Bourbon convention hotel breakfast serve in the Cafe or they deliver to door? I was told they deliver to the door of each room during the lockdown. Is the breakfast cafeteria on the second floor open to guest for buffet breakfast now?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556473]I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me![/QUOTE]

I am thinking to do the covid test at the airport, even though it may need to be there 8 hours before the flight. Do you know if SAO airport still has covid test, and what's the turn around time?

Will check Alta and Fleury also, thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2557722]Took the vaccine a while ago and decided to take the plunge back to SP for some work and play. I've been here 6 days so far and from what I've observed people are wearing masks and keeping distance. Did not visit any clinicas as I had a list of twitter or website girls I wanted to see. One of the girls I met last trip helped me with finding testing site before I arrived for the return flight home.

I saw both of these places in Moema and both were directly next to each other and offered same day results via website login.

Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.

Fleury. Did not check price but they do home visit appointments.

Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.

More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Goinh to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2557818]I did the twitter girls when selling sex was allowed on there during the boom. I recommend Sabrina rabanne, she's a minx. One of the most gorgeous women on the planet with good GFE session was Brenda paes, but unfortunately she committed suicide 2 years ago. Any twitter women you recommend on your list?[/QUOTE]Did you know all of this about Brenda Paes?

[URL]https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12607500.fatal-twist-transsexual-scandal/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2557741]Really your best source of info is here. If you just Google CLnicas you will get legit medical things and other. If you want more high end facilities then I liked Abbobora and Natty recommended Prime. Enjoy is supposed to be good also. I did Tangar that often gets good reviews and the girls were a good value and they were super nice but the facilities are kinda Motel 6 like. Not really my thing. Others may want to weigh in on mid and low priced CLnicas.[/QUOTE]It looks like World Travel 69's list is the best place to start. It's even been updated a few times this year:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map[/URL]

I started compiling a list as well:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/QofrkP98KPj4Qa7t8[/URL] (list I started compiling).

I'll try and consolidate my list into WorldTravel's list once I verify the locations.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2557722]Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.
Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.
More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Going to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.[/QUOTE]Great report, OGC. Looking forward to reading about the rest of your trip! I'm less than 4 weeks away from my trip.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2557817]I tried it and even tried it for your dates, I still couldn't get it for that price. Oh well.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you're doing wrong. Check this URL out: [URL]www.google.com/travel/flights/s/dpdZ[/URL] It's showing $26 ($25.30 at [URL]gotogate.com[/URL]) for me. You're putting in Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro, right? Cheap flight ends up being from CGH to SDU.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2558077]I am thinking to do the covid test at the airport, even though it may need to be there 8 hours before the flight. Do you know if SAO airport still has covid test, and what's the turn around time?

Will check Alta and Fleury also, thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]Are you flying back to the USA? If so, all you need is an antigen test 3 days before your flight. You can get an antigen test done at most pharmacies and I am sure there is one near your hotel. No need to go to the airport and wait around for 8 hours.

If you are flying somewhere that requires a PCR test, look up CR Diagnostics at the Mooca shopping center. They deliver the results next day by 7 am.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558184]

If you are flying somewhere that requires a PCR test, look up CR Diagnostics at the Mooca shopping center. They deliver the results next day by 7 am.[/QUOTE]Did a test at Mooca in December. Arrived half an hour before opening. Long queue of cars in the adjoining street. It took 2 hours to get tested, waiting inside the overheated car, sweltering sun. I had a friend driving me, otherwise a taxi would've charged me how much? Never again.

For my next PCR test in January I drove to the airport the night before my flight. One hour later I could drive back to my hotel. CR Diagnostics are in charge at the airport as well. They ask for an "address in case of quarantine", but no big deal, simply write the address of your hotel (with postal "CEP" code).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2557896]Kind of reminds me of my very first sexual encounter at high school. Two Catholic students romping in the sack. She would not allow me vaginal sex because she was a virgin but she did allow entrance through the back door which I traversed to fruition. My teenage self thought then that if vaginal sex was like this then damn![/QUOTE]Haha, the rationalizing of a Catholic school girl. I knew a few who were blow job queens in high school. We also know that anal sex is the best form of birth control.

This makes me recall the beautiful porn star Aurora Jolie who I believe only did anal on camera. I think she claimed she was a virgin as well. LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557383]One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).

RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. [URL]https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro[/URL].

I suppose you can compare RJ with Phuket where arguably Phuket has nicer beaches, but RJ is a much better destination for girls. Much better. Thus, I would take RJ over Phuket almost any day in the week.[/QUOTE]It's tough to make comparisons between Brazil and Thailand. Pattaya is one big sex carnival. Brazilian sex venues are more down-low. They're not hard to find, but you need to know where they are located in advance. There are no giant neon signs and girls out front trying to lure you in.

I suppose that's why so many somewhat lazy mongers loved Rio in the 1990's and 2000's. There were hookers on the beach. Hookers at the beachside cafes. And of course, hookers at Help Disco at night. This was all along a magical two block strip on Copacabana Beach.

Rio de Janeiro is also an enormous metropolitan city. Pattaya and Phuket are small, beach cities. I would guess the economies of Pattaya and Phuket are totally dependent on tourism. Then there are the differences in the women.

After spending one long night in Rio, I came to SP for two days to take a break. I prefer SP for the food over Rio. I enjoy good food and look forward to my meals. Rio is boring as fuck for food.

Landed in SP on Saturday late afternoon, went to the Renaissance and checked in. Decided to get my COVID test taken care of for my flight on Monday at a pharmacy near the hotel. Came back and changed clothes to meet the girl I had set up earlier for the weekend. Tall redhead with a decent body for BBFS and anal all weekend.

Had dinner the first night at Nakka Jardins on Saturday night and then some fun in the hotel room afterwards. Sunday was spent at Parque Ibirapuera and a late lunch at Fogo do Chao with lots of caipirinhas. Was able to fuck three times on Sunday.

Monday was spent at the Mercado Municipal to get some fruits and pastel. She left around 3 pm and we had excellent morning sex, sex before the market and good anal before she left.

A calm but fun weekend overall.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558298]Landed in SP on Saturday late afternoon, went to the Renaissance and checked in. Decided to get my COVID test taken care of for my flight on Monday at a pharmacy near the hotel. Came back and changed clothes to meet the girl I had set up earlier for the weekend. Tall redhead with a decent body for BBFS and anal all weekend.[/QUOTE]How did you go about negotiating for BBFS?

Will be visiting SP for 3 day (60 hours between flights) so thinking of getting the covid-19 antigen test for return to the US at GRU on arrival. Is the cost, turnaround time / wait time much different at GRU vs. Getting it at a local pharmacy like drogasil in the city?

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2558326]Will be visiting SP for 3 day (60 hours between flights) so thinking of getting the covid-19 antigen test for return to the US at GRU on arrival. Is the cost, turnaround time / wait time much different at GRU vs. Getting it at a local pharmacy like drogasil in the city?[/QUOTE]I paid about 120 reais at the Drogaria Pacheco which is the same price I paid at Drogasil last time. Took 30 minutes from start to finish. There was no one in line though. The drogasil across the street had 4 people in line and they wanted me to make an appt for the next day. I made one just in case and then walked across the street and got the test done. I don't know the price or wait time at the airport but you can use this info to decide when you land.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558300]How did you go about negotiating for BBFS?[/QUOTE]WhatsApp approx two weeks before arrival. Some say no right away. I tell them that both of us get tested in the next few days and I will pay for her test. Most of these girls are pretty careful about their health especially that ones that charge a bit more.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2558326]Will be visiting SP for 3 day (60 hours between flights) so thinking of getting the covid-19 antigen test for return to the US at GRU on arrival. Is the cost, turnaround time / wait time much different at GRU vs. Getting it at a local pharmacy like drogasil in the city?[/QUOTE]I made it few days ago at CR Diagnosticos on terminal 3, first floor on the side of Burger King.

I paid 350 reais and got the result in 4 hours.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558131]Did you know all of this about Brenda Paes?

[URL]https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12607500.fatal-twist-transsexual-scandal/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hmmm this is not the same girl he was talking about.

The girl was actually this one, check her [URL]twitter.com[/URL]/ sweetgirll2020.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558298]Rio is boring as fuck for food.[/QUOTE]Somebody who can't find good restaurants in Rio doesn't know Rio at all.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558152]Not sure what you're doing wrong. Check this URL out: [URL]www.google.com/travel/flights/s/dpdZ[/URL] It's showing $26 ($25.30 at [URL]gotogate.com[/URL]) for me. You're putting in Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro, right? Cheap flight ends up being from CGH to SDU.[/QUOTE]Oh, for some reason it still didn't work, so I went to gotogate and clicked on your link again and the price showed up afterwards. My browser might have blocked it from showing up! Good stuff!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558131]Did you know all of this about Brenda Paes?

[URL]https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12607500.fatal-twist-transsexual-scandal/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hahahaha. It's not the same person, there's a photo of the named person in the article. And Brenda Paes wouldn't use her real name, it's definitely an alias and a very common name. Although this wouldn't have been the first time I've duped by a tranny before though and I'm sure it won't be the last.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2558439]Somebody who can't find good restaurants in Rio doesn't know Rio at all.[/QUOTE]Looking forward to being enlightened with your knowledge. Would love to have a list for the next trip down there to see if there is really good food. Then this way, I can spend the weekend in Rio and session all the girls from 4 x4 for a much cheaper rate😜.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558300]How did you go about negotiating for BBFS?[/QUOTE]Showing the money seems to work for me!

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558298]I prefer SP for the food over Rio. I enjoy good food and look forward to my meals. Rio is boring as fuck for food.[/QUOTE]Since this has come up in conversation, I would concur. Sao Paulo has better food than Rio. Sao Paulo is a more sophisticated city with many more sophisticated palates. You could probably say the SP population is also more diverse as well. The good food also seems to cost more.

I enjoy my meals in Rio very much because I generally focus on what Brazilian restaurants do best. As someone mentioned on the Rio thread, a simple steak or fish dish is so much more enjoyable sitting outside along the ocean.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2558640]Since this has come up in conversation, I would concur. Sao Paulo has better food than Rio. Sao Paulo is a more sophisticated city with many more sophisticated palates. You could probably say the SP population is also more diverse as well. The good food also seems to cost more.

I enjoy my meals in Rio very much because I generally focus on what Brazilian restaurants do best. As someone mentioned on the Rio thread, a simple steak or fish dish is so much more enjoyable sitting outside along the ocean.[/QUOTE]Do you think SP has better food because it's more gentrified? It seems SP caters more to the tourists / businessmen? Just a guess.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2558460]Hahahaha. It's not the same person, there's a photo of the named person in the article. And Brenda Paes wouldn't use her real name, it's definitely an alias and a very common name. Although this wouldn't have been the first time I've duped by a tranny before though and I'm sure it won't be the last.[/QUOTE]Yeah, if you go to Thailand you got to be on 24/7 alert against that shit. No kidding man. If it looks too, too good in Thailand, then it probably is LOL! I met this guy in Phuket who told me how he got duped. Got to be on guard in the Philippines too!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558713]Yeah, if you go to Thailand you got to be on 24/7 alert against that shit. No kidding man. If it looks too, too good in Thailand, then it probably is LOL! I met this guy in Phuket who told me how he got duped. Got to be on guard in the Philippines too![/QUOTE]Why be on guard? Just go with the flow. LOL.

Barra Posto 7, Hula Hula, Fish and Chips with a good hooker is perhaps all that Roman Emperors aspired to.

You could take a viking boat out to sea afterwards and kill the captives, but that is dessert.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2558640]Since this has come up in conversation, I would concur. Sao Paulo has better food than Rio. Sao Paulo is a more sophisticated city with many more sophisticated palates. You could probably say the SP population is also more diverse as well. The good food also seems to cost more.

I enjoy my meals in Rio very much because I generally focus on what Brazilian restaurants do best. As someone mentioned on the Rio thread, a simple steak or fish dish is so much more enjoyable sitting outside along the ocean.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558717]Why be on guard? Just go with the flow. LOL.[/QUOTE]Right, this one says he's a anal connoisseur. LOL. Sounds like he's already familiar with the experience.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558902]BTW, you got me confused with someone else. Never said I'm an anal connoisseur.[/QUOTE]Well, there's being an anal connoisseur. And then there's just being an A-hole.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558298]After spending one long night in Rio, I came to SP for two days to take a break. I prefer SP for the food over Rio. I enjoy good food and look forward to my meals. Rio is boring as fuck for food.[/QUOTE]

Take into account that SP has the largest Japanese diaspora (approx. 1. 6 mil.), outside of Japan, would also lend itself as to why a more diverse cuisines would exist, especially With a good mix of European, Middle Eastern Arab and African populations, the type of cuisine to be found can be endless, in such a large city.

But I would argue the same can be found in Rio, just not on the same scale as SP.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558511]Looking forward to being enlightened with your knowledge. Would love to have a list for the next trip down there to see if there is really good food. Then this way, I can spend the weekend in Rio and session all the girls from 4 x4 for a much cheaper rate😜.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2558439]Somebody who can't find good restaurants in Rio doesn't know Rio at all.[/QUOTE]Now my food palate, maybe (unapologetically) pedestrian and not as sophisticated as others, and at times will run more towards good old fashion street food cuisine. Thailand / Bangkok is a great example this. IMHO, it has (or at least it use to have) some of the best street food in the world (well amongst the limited places I've traveled, anyways).

I admit having a great meal [B][i] "by the beach"[/i][/B], is pretty good, but it was a sheer delight when your meal was were served [B][i]"right-on-the-beach"[/i][/B].

One of my all-time favourite meals while in Brazil, was [I]peixe frita e bata com salada[/I], when served right-on-the-beach, with ice cold beers and a side order of some of the best Brasileira bundas, buceta and bronze bodies, strolling by half-naked, in the hot Brasilian sun. Not only was it a tasty meal, but for me, a [B][i]sublime dining experience[/i][/B], that just keep on giving.

Sadly, most of these street and beach vendors operations shutdown, due to brick-and-mortar restaurants complaining that these vendors weren't paying their fair share of taxes, littering the beaches and were defying Rio Prefeitura ordinances.

For a lot of families, this was Sunday dinner on the beach, where families enjoyed a nice large seafood platter, while the kids splashed about. There is something to be said for those bygone days of eating a nice meal on right-on-the-beach.

Not quite Sao Paulo refined dining/cuisine, [b]but simply "maravilhoso" [/b], none the less.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2558929]Now my food palate, maybe (unapologetically) pedestrian and not as sophisticated as others, and at times will run more towards good old fashion street food cuisine. Thailand / Bangkok is a great example this. IMHO, it has (or at least it use to have) some of the best street food in the world (well amongst the limited places I've traveled, anyways).

I admit having a great meal [B][i] "by the beach"[/i][/B], is pretty good, but it was a sheer delight when your meal was were served [B][i]"right-on-the-beach"[/i][/B].

One of my all-time favourite meals while in Brazil, was [I]peixe frita e bata com salada[/I], when served right-on-the-beach, with ice cold beers and a side order of some of the best Brasileira bundas, buceta and bronze bodies, strolling by half-naked, in the hot Brasilian sun. Not only was it a tasty meal, but for me, a [B][i]sublime dining experience[/i][/B], that just keep on giving.

Sadly, most of these street and beach vendors operations shutdown, due to brick-and-mortar restaurants complaining that these vendors weren't paying their fair share of taxes, littering the beaches and were defying Rio Prefeitura ordinances.

For a lot of families, this was Sunday dinner on the beach, where families enjoyed a nice large seafood platter, while the kids splashed about. There is something to be said for those bygone days of eating a nice meal on right-on-the-beach.

Not quite Sao Paulo refined dining/cuisine, [b]but simply "maravilhoso" [/b], none the less.[/QUOTE]I love this experience. Being able to find delicious, cheap food for $2-$3 with a $1 beer. I don't think I looked very hard for good Thai street food. But the ones I saw didn't look all that appetizing (e. G. Soup in a bag, fried chicken with flies all over, etc). I did have some good Pad See Ew in Phuket, but it was in a main touristy area for 200 baht ($6).

When I was in Vietnam, they had a hole in the wall restaurant where I got some vermicelli dry pho with bbq pork and egg rolls in it for $2. Street vendor bahn mi in Little Tokyo was had for $1! It was delicious and cheap.
I doubt Brazil (SP or RJ) will be like this. From what I've been reading here and on tripadvisor, restaurants there seem to cater more to the well off (average meal being ~$10 or more). I'm eager to hear people prove me wrong. =)

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558911]Well, there's being an anal connoisseur. And then there's just being an A-hole.[/QUOTE]And SinfullyKorean I should clarify. I was not speaking about you.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558954]I doubt Brazil (SP or RJ) will be like this. From what I've been reading here and on tripadvisor, restaurants there seem to cater more to the well off (average meal being ~$10 or more). I'm eager to hear people prove me wrong. =)[/QUOTE]You can a lot about food from youtube. They are probably not as cheap or as easy to find as Thailand but it is pretty cheap. I have come to the conclusion that Rio's food is great but SP is better. If you just google the ranking. SP is always on top with Mexico City, Lima, rarely you will see Rio mentioned. They both are good enough for me either way

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558902]Don't knock it til you try it. And I can't really say I've tried it yet.

In my last visit to Thailand, I was in a desperate situation. I landed late at night. Soi Cowboy and Nana closed. I was walking back to my hotel when a cute chick walks up to me and tells me to name my price. So I take her back to my hotel, I'm groping her the whole way back, making out in the elevator. We wash separately. And that's when she lays it on me. She's a ladyboy. I decided to go ahead, just for a BJ, though. I'm not full on into ladyboys, but that experience left me confused and curious. LOL. Some of these ladyboys are hotter than normal ladies. I remember walking in Soi Cowboy on my first trip to TH and noticing a really hot 10. But she wasn't catcalling and she was standing in front of a known ladyboy club. I had to walk by that club a few times to believe my eyes.

BTW, you got me confused with someone else. Never said I'm an anal connoisseur.[/QUOTE]There are two types of trans. A pre-op trans would still have a dick between her legs, despite having breasts. A post-op trans would have a pussy between her legs. You can also find a bunch of trans hookers in Kohn, Germany (on the high floor of a building full of hookers. I forgot the name of the building though). It's a place to go to browse after FKK Samya is closed at 2 am or 3 am.

FYI. The restaurants in SP are fully open now. Lots of restaurants are open until 22:00. You still need to wear a mask at entry and a staff will check your temperature at entry. The cost of eating out at a decent restaurant in SP is lower than that in my hometown USA because you don't pay the 18% tips here. But who cares? I am not traveling to SP for the foods.

I am in SP for the Brazilian pussies. The price for a pretty GFE girl in SP is around 500 reals per hour. In my hometown USA, the price would be 1,000 usd per hour, and even at that price, GFE is not guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558511]Looking forward to being enlightened with your knowledge. Would love to have a list for the next trip down there to see if there is really good food. Then this way, I can spend the weekend in Rio and session all the girls from 4 x4 for a much cheaper rate😜.[/QUOTE]How can any pussy be cheaper than those at the clinicas in SP? At around 250 reals per hour including room, can the termas in Rio beat this price? There are lots of decent looking and slim girls providing GFE at clinicas in SP.

So far, I have only focused on SP. I have never been to Rio. Have I missed out on any worthwhile opportunities? I don't care about the beaches (I already have the beaches in the USA). I come to Brazil mainly for the pussies. Should I even bother to venture to Rio at all, given the spectacular situation of pussies in SP?

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2559020]How can any pussy be cheaper than those at the clinicas in SP? At around 250 reals per hour including room, can the termas in Rio beat this price? There are lots of decent looking and slim girls providing GFE at clinicas in SP.

So far, I have only focused on SP. I have never been to Rio. Have I missed out on any worthwhile opportunities? I don't care about the beaches (I already have the beaches in the USA). I come to Brazil mainly for the pussies. Should I even bother to venture to Rio at all, given the spectacular situation of pussies in SP?[/QUOTE]At the Termas you can mingle with the women and even make out and grope them before making a decision. This gives you a much better idea of how things will go in the room. Generally in a Clinica you can't get this kind of preview. To me that's a big deal.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2559027]Besides being disgusting reading about your adventure, you should respect the Forum Rules. "No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately."[/QUOTE]I'm sure that rule was put in YEARS ago. If this site's policy is still the same, I will remove. I'll await any input from an "administrator". Feel free to "report" my post, as I'd also like to get a clear understanding on their position.

I've read plenty of posts on such topics without ever having seen any recourse.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2559042]I've read plenty of posts on such topics[/QUOTE]I'm sure you have, mr connoisseur.

[QUOTE=Combo;2559023]At the Termas you can mingle with the women and even make out and grope them before making a decision. This gives you a much better idea of how things will go in the room. Generally in a Clinica you can't get this kind of preview. To me that's a big deal.[/QUOTE]Yes! I got real "friendly" with every Terma girl I took upstairs before I made my decision to take them upstairs. It is one of the reasons I really liked my Solarium, my favorite terma.

In the clinicas, same as in BKK oily massage parlors, there is virtually no audition time, just a meet and greet. This is why the choice of your clinica is very important. You are relying on the quality and service standards set by the management of the individual clinica and obviously not all clinicas are managed equally. I really like Prime. Most of their girls looked pretty good and their service was always top notch. On my last visit I was talking to another customer after my session. He was a Brazilian guy who had worked in China and the USA and he spoke English well. He attributed Prime's high standards to it's mamasan. He said she recruited the right girls and knew hot to manage them. I could not agree more.

An important distinction. In Clinicas and many brothels worldwide, you get a peck on the cheek, the name and about 15 seconds to make up your mind. If the visuals are compellingly good, I usually go with it but my spidey sense just isn't keen enough in some cases, leading to disappointment. That's why it boates, FKK and thermas for me.

[QUOTE=Combo;2559023]At the Termas you can mingle with the women and even make out and grope them before making a decision. This gives you a much better idea of how things will go in the room. Generally in a Clinica you can't get this kind of preview. To me that's a big deal.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Spidy;2558925]Take into account that SP has the largest Japanese diaspora (approx. 1. 6 mil.), outside of Japan, would also lend itself as to why a more diverse cuisines would exist, especially With a good mix of European, Middle Eastern Arab and African populations, the type of cuisine to be found can be endless, in such a large city.

But I would argue the same can be found in Rio, just not on the same scale as SP.[/QUOTE]You mentioned Europeans, but Sao Paulo has a strong cultural tie to Italy. Over 1 million migrated to the state of Sao Paulo. My Sao Paulo contacts always want to take me to an Italian hotspot.

Believe me, I'm knocking the food in Rio. It's fine. However, while tourists bring in money to Copacabana and Ipanema, there are times where some of the popular restaurants slack off. They know much of the clientele is not a returning clientele.

It's like comparing the food scenes of New York City and Miami. There's nothing like the food in NYC where you have a lot of affluent people living and working day to day.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2559117]An important distinction. In Clinicas and many brothels worldwide, you get a peck on the cheek, the name and about 15 seconds to make up your mind. If the visuals are compellingly good, I usually go with it but my spidey sense just isn't keen enough in some cases, leading to disappointment. That's why it boates, FKK and thermas for me.

.[/QUOTE]In Rio and SP prives and clinicas, after the presentation I ask to speak with the girl to see if she does what I require. At Enjoy in SP, I asked to talk to a girl after the presentation. I asked her the usual questions (kiss, namoradinha (GFE), BBBJ). She said she didn't kiss so I told her thank you but no, and she went back up the stairs. When the receptionist asked why I didn't go with her, I told her, she nodded, and asked if there was someone else I wanted to talk to. As a side note, it is better to ask specific rather than general questions. At another clinica, I asked to speak to a girl and asked her if she was namoradinha style service, without defining what that was to me. I went with her and discovered that she didn't kiss. I asked her how was she namoradinha if she didn't kiss. She said namoradinha with her didn't include kissing. In short, if you don't state what you want upfront, you can't complain about not getting it.

I don't recall ever not being able to speak with a girl when I asked to. If they said no, I would walk out.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2559013]FYI. The restaurants in SP are fully open now. Lots of restaurants are open until 22:00. You still need to wear a mask at entry and a staff will check your temperature at entry. The cost of eating out at a decent restaurant in SP is lower than that in my hometown USA because you don't pay the 18% tips here. But who cares? I am not traveling to SP for the foods.

I am in SP for the Brazilian pussies. The price for a pretty GFE girl in SP is around 500 reals per hour. In my hometown USA, the price would be 1,000 usd per hour, and even at that price, GFE is not guaranteed.[/QUOTE]500 reals / h in Brazil?

I am guessing that's what you pay for a prim provider at a fancy place.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2559137]In Rio and SP prives and clinicas, after the presentation I ask to speak with the girl to see if she does what I require. At Enjoy in SP, I asked to talk to a girl after the presentation. I asked her the usual questions (kiss, namoradinha (GFE), BBBJ). She said she didn't kiss so I told her thank you but no, and she went back up the stairs. When the receptionist asked why I didn't go with her, I told her, she nodded, and asked if there was someone else I wanted to talk to. As a side note, it is better to ask specific rather than general questions. At another clinica, I asked to speak to a girl and asked her if she was namoradinha style service, without defining what that was to me. I went with her and discovered that she didn't kiss. I asked her how was she namoradinha if she didn't kiss. She said namoradinha with her didn't include kissing. In short, if you don't state what you want upfront, you can't complain about not getting it.

I don't recall ever not being able to speak with a girl when I asked to. If they said no, I would walk out.[/QUOTE]Caveat emptor!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558954]I love this experience. Being able to find delicious, cheap food for $2-$3 with a $1 beer. . .

When I was in Vietnam, they had a hole in the wall restaurant where I got some vermicelli dry pho with bbq pork and egg rolls in it for $2. . .[/QUOTE]Checkout the Netflix series [i][b]"Street Food: Asia"[/b][/i], if you get the chance. There are some amazing "hole-in-the-wall restaurants" as you put it, that start on the street and go on to become 1-Star Michelin restaurants. There's even a new season,[b][i] "Street Food: Latin America"[/b][/i], but I haven't seen it yet.

My only Thailand/Bangkok/Pattaya food experiences, came in circa 1997 and 2015. A long time in between and a lot has changed, but the street food for the most part, is still pretty good.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2559126]You mentioned Europeans, but Sao Paulo has a strong cultural tie to Italy. Over 1 million migrated to the state of Sao Paulo. My Sao Paulo contacts always want to take me to an Italian hotspot.

Believe me, I'm knocking the food in Rio. It's fine. However, while tourists bring in money to Copacabana and Ipanema, there are times where some of the popular restaurants slack off. They know much of the clientele is not a returning clientele.

It's like comparing the food scenes of New York City and Miami. There's nothing like the food in NYC where you have a lot of affluent people living and working day to day.[/QUOTE]All good points. SP and its very large diverse diaspora of cultures, is one of the things that is very attractive about SP (and Brazil in general).

Unfortunately, my food palate, is somewhat pedestrian and not as sophisticated as others. But for whatever reason, I just love street food. Go Figure!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2558954]I love this experience. Being able to find delicious, cheap food for $2-$3 with a $1 beer. I don't think I looked very hard for good Thai street food. But the ones I saw didn't look all that appetizing (e. G. Soup in a bag, fried chicken with flies all over, etc). I did have some good Pad See Ew in Phuket, but it was in a main touristy area for 200 baht ($6).

When I was in Vietnam, they had a hole in the wall restaurant where I got some vermicelli dry pho with bbq pork and egg rolls in it for $2. Street vendor bahn mi in Little Tokyo was had for $1! It was delicious and cheap.
I doubt Brazil (SP or RJ) will be like this. From what I've been reading here and on tripadvisor, restaurants there seem to cater more to the well off (average meal being ~$10 or more). I'm eager to hear people prove me wrong. =)[/QUOTE]You can't compare Asian street food to Brazilian street food. I personally don't think Brazil has street food per se. There aren't vendors on the street like they are in Asia.

I for one love Asian street food. It might be cheap but it tastes amazing. Brazilian food misses that by a lot. Don't get me wrong. It isn't that Brazilian food isn't good, it just doesn't have the extra kick that Asian food has. Now, I am sure someone will come by and tell me that I haven't found proper Brazilian food. And I don't care. I have been coming to this country for the last 20 yrs. Been from the north to the south and have yet to find something that can compare to the variety and flavor of Asia's best.

There are good options in SP as I am sure there are in Rio. But don't get your hopes up. I enjoy a nice picanha, some veggies, beans and rice just as much as the next guy. But I don't want it everyday for my meals. Once in my trip and I am fine. I require variety and flavor and that is something I am willing to pay more for.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2559236]You can't compare Asian street food to Brazilian street food. I personally don't think Brazil has street food per se. There aren't vendors on the street like they are in Asia.[/QUOTE]Right, Brazil doesn't have a street food culture like Asian countries do. Nevertheless, I have had some in Sao Paulo. It was on a Sunday if I recall correctly where they shut down the main drag downtown, and you have people walking around and music and events and all of that kind of thing. There were food trucks way at one end of the street, and other places you could grab a bite to eat. I got a tasty meat dish, something to drink. But, that's as close as it comes to street food in Brazil in terms of what I have personally had. Thailand is great for street food! Tasty and cheap!

Na brasa Colômbia in Rio is great food, right; on the beach at Olegário Maciel in Barra.

You say you wouldn't live in Rio but now you're back where you choose to live in El Paso. No beach for 1000 miles, de facto part of Mexico, not a center of cuisine more like a shithole.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2559236]You can't compare Asian street food to Brazilian street food. I personally don't think Brazil has street food per se. There aren't vendors on the street like they are in Asia.

I for one love Asian street food. It might be cheap but it tastes amazing. Brazilian food misses that by a lot. Don't get me wrong. It isn't that Brazilian food isn't good, it just doesn't have the extra kick that Asian food has. Now, I am sure someone will come by and tell me that I haven't found proper Brazilian food. And I don't care. I have been coming to this country for the last 20 yrs. Been from the north to the south and have yet to find something that can compare to the variety and flavor of Asia's best.

There are good options in SP as I am sure there are in Rio. But don't get your hopes up. I enjoy a nice picanha, some veggies, beans and rice just as much as the next guy. But I don't want it everyday for my meals. Once in my trip and I am fine. I require variety and flavor and that is something I am willing to pay more for.[/QUOTE]

This is a good technique tactic and procedure.

I must compliment you despite all the other criticisms haha.

Party like a porn star!

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2558365]WhatsApp approx two weeks before arrival. Some say no right away. I tell them that both of us get tested in the next few days and I will pay for her test. Most of these girls are pretty careful about their health especially that ones that charge a bit more.[/QUOTE]

Salaam JimmyBoy,

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2559137]In Rio and SP prives and clinicas, after the presentation I ask to speak with the girl to see if she does what I require. At Enjoy in SP, I asked to talk to a girl after the presentation. I asked her the usual questions (kiss, namoradinha (GFE), BBBJ).
[/QUOTE]This is correct. Although these are all a standard part of the service, if you are a gringo some girls will pretend that they are not. For this reason in any clinica is necessary for us to do the Three-Frescura test. In Brazil a [B]frescura[/B] is anything a girl does to make a session worse rather than better. The three frescuras are (1) no kissing or bad kissing, (2) refusal to do a BBBJ, and (3) artificial lube in the pussy. I think the locals rarely suffer the frescura treatment, but girls have been conditioned to automatically run frescuras on gringos so it is (unfortunately) necessary for us to ask these rather crude-sounding questions. Even in a high-end boate like Scandallo there are some girls who have conditioned to run frescuras and you have to ask the questions and prove that you are not a dumb tourist: basically making the point that you are human and do not expect to be ripped off.

This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room. There are girls who are more than happy to punish you for not doing due diligence. And of course even in Brazil there are some girls who simply don't like the job they are in and shouldn't be there. You need to be able to filter those out.

If you go to touristy clinicas, like Enjoy and certain others in Moema, your chances of running into frescuras (and being ripped off in general) are greater than if you go to places where tourists are unknown. In many ways the "better" parts of Sao Paulo are the worst. I noticed that even in some restaurants they will try to rip off gringos now. You can understand that the pandemic has caused economic hardship and possibly some envy of our relatively rich lifestyle.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2559137]
I don't recall ever not being able to speak with a girl when I asked to. If they said no, I would walk out.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. It happened to me once in Abbobara and I walked out without picking a girl. That is why I don't go to Abbobara any more.

I agree and I'the never go with a girl without speaking to her first about service levels. But in my experience just blurting out your service requirements (especially in my monger Porto) is a little off-putting for both of us. Also increases opting out IME.

That's why I prefer the boite / terma / FKK set up, where you can sit many girls, see how they move and hold themselves, which can tell you a lot, before I make my choice. Admittedly it's more time and money consuming though.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2559398]
This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2559405]I agree and I'the never go with a girl without speaking to her first about service levels. But in my experience just blurting out your service requirements (especially in my monger Porto) is a little off-putting for both of us. Also increases opting out IME.

That's why I prefer the boite / terma / FKK set up, where you can sit many girls, see how they move and hold themselves, which can tell you a lot, before I make my choice. Admittedly it's more time. and money consuming though.[/QUOTE]And I add that it's also more fun and enjoyable to me!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2559261]Na brasa Colmbia in Rio is great food, right; on the beach at Olegrio Maciel in Barra.

You say you wouldn't live in Rio but now you're back where you choose to live in El Paso. No beach for 1000 miles, de facto part of Mexico, not a center of cuisine more like a shithole.[/QUOTE]Well. Family is here, kids are here, work is here. So I am here. Simple really. Plus the land is cheap and I have all my future investments pretty squared away and not have to worry about money when I am in my golden years.

True. My town isn't known for its cuisine but that is why I travel. I do weekend trip with friends and family to get to where we want to eat. Plus we know how to cook really well so I can usually order what I want online and have it delivered the next day. Wagyu, fresh oysters, fresh lobster and so forth.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2559405]I agree and I'the never go with a girl without speaking to her first about service levels. But in my experience just blurting out your service requirements (especially in my monger Porto) is a little off-putting for both of us. Also increases opting out IME.

That's why I prefer the boite / terma / FKK set up, where you can sit many girls, see how they move and hold themselves, which can tell you a lot, before I make my choice. Admittedly it's more time and money consuming though.

.[/QUOTE]Time-consuming? That time spent feeling them out in a Termas is an important part of the whole experience! What's better than flirting with dozens of women in bikinis and high heels and coming to a decision based on legitimate physical contact with them? That's unique and it's why every guy should experience a Termas (and / or FKK) at some point in their life.

FWIW in the clinicas I generally do try to speak with my target before choosing, but it's not the same.

[QUOTE=Combo;2559465]Time-consuming? That time spent feeling them out in a Termas is an important part of the whole experience! What's better than flirting with dozens of women in bikinis and high heels and coming to a decision based on legitimate physical contact with them? That's unique and it's why every guy should experience a Termas (and / or FKK) at some point in their life.

FWIW in the clinicas I generally do try to speak with my target before choosing, but it's not the same.[/QUOTE]Do you guys speak Portuguese? I'm trying to learn a few phrases before I go, but obviously, I'm not going to be anywhere near fluent. LOL.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2559483]Do you guys speak Portuguese?[/QUOTE]
No, we keep on returning to the same country doing everything not to learn the language.
If the locals don't understand we speak louder.
[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2559483]I'm sure that rule was put in YEARS ago.[/QUOTE]
Good work admin. It seems the admin removed your traveca report.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2559483]Do you guys speak Portuguese? I'm trying to learn a few phrases before I go, but obviously, I'm not going to be anywhere near fluent. LOL.[/QUOTE]Mais o menos. I speak portunol. Speak Spanish fluently to live in any Spanish speaking country in the world. Portuguese gets better every trip and improves by drink🤣.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2559530]Mais o menos. I speak portunol. Speak Spanish fluently to live in any Spanish speaking country in the world. Portuguese gets better every trip and improves by drink🤣.[/QUOTE]I speak some spanish, so hopefully that helps a bit (sounds like they're more likely to speak spanish than english? But I'll continue to brush up on my portuguese. If your and Natty's experiences have taught me anything, it's that this trip to Brazil will probably not be my last.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2559542]I speak some spanish, so hopefully that helps a bit (sounds like they're more likely to speak spanish than english? But I'll continue to brush up on my portuguese. If your and Natty's experiences have taught me anything, it's that this trip to Brazil will probably not be my last.[/QUOTE]Most of the Brazilian girls I met did not speak English and I do not speak a lick of Portuguese. Furthermore, my "gringo" Spanish was of negligible help in most situations although sometimes the girls understood what I was trying to say in Spanish. Every Brazilian I met told me that Spanish was easy to learn, but Portuguese was much more difficult and complicated. I believe them.

But I was able to communicate fairly well with my girls using Google Translate in conversation mode. Many times after a session my girls and I would lay around and converse very nicely using this app. The girls were into it. It is not perfect or as good as just speaking in the same language, but it worked! And it was fun. With Google Translate we could set up what's app connections, make future plans, joke around, compliment one another, and tell each other a little bit about ourselves. I am now a big fan! It is a very useful program.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2559542]I speak some spanish, so hopefully that helps a bit (sounds like they're more likely to speak spanish than english? But I'll continue to brush up on my portuguese. If your and Natty's experiences have taught me anything, it's that this trip to Brazil will probably not be my last.[/QUOTE]If you speak reasonably good Spanish, they will understand you. But you won't understand them. Which won't stop you from having a great time.

Check out a Portuguese CD at your library, digitize it, and play it to yourself before you come.

[QUOTE=Combo;2559620]If you speak reasonably good Spanish, they will understand you. But you won't understand them. Which won't stop you from having a great time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2559487]....If the locals don't understand we speak louder.....[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rl9Cxc7uZA[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2557383]This sounds good. Basically, you are taking a side trip from SP to RJ which requires a domestic roundtrip CGH. SDU. I liked GOL. The airlines that doesn't take off on schedule. They take off ahead of schedule! My kind of airline. But there are other carriers, just book the cheapest with the times that suit you.

But let me suggest that if you want to eliminate one leg of the domestic roundtrip flight CGH SDU and just fly one way to RJ, to reconsider the multi destination trip LAXGRU: GIG-LAX. I do not believe it will cost you more than the international LAX round trip and you will not have to waist 3 hours travelling back to SP on a domestic roundtrip. But I understand why you might want to return to SP after spending time in RJ, so as always, up to you.

One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).

RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. [URL]https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro[/URL]..[/QUOTE]You're true! In Thailand girls accept very easily BBFS. That's why I go there all the time! I always bareback and creampie!

I curious about the current P2P situation in boetes like Scandallo, Connection, Bamboa etc.

Those who have recently visited boetes, especially those I mentioned above, I appreciate if you could answer the following questions about girls and compare current situation with 2019 (pre-pandemic).

1. Number of girls? More, less or same.

2. Optics (on average how pretty are they)? More, less or same.

3. What is the mix of pros, semi-pros and armatures? More, less or same for each category.

4. Prices? More, less or same.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2559732]I curious about the current P2P situation in boetes like Scandallo, Connection, Bamboa etc.

Those who have recently visited boetes, especially those I mentioned above, I appreciate if you could answer the following questions about girls and compare current situation with 2019 (pre-pandemic).

1. Number of girls? More, less or same.

2. Optics (on average how pretty are they)? More, less or same.

3. What is the mix of pros, semi-pros and armatures? More, less or same for each category.

4. Prices? More, less or same.[/QUOTE]There's no mix. They are all pros in the venues you mentioned.

I haven't been since Covid started as my trip in February was canceled. However, from what has been reported here, you can likely pay less than you would have a couple years ago. Times are tough and the girls have to be pretty desperate.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559597]...Every Brazilian I met told me that Spanish was easy to learn, but Portuguese was much more difficult and complicated. I believe them...[/QUOTE]I am surprised to hear that, as the 2 languages have so much in common, and that is probably why Brazilians understand Spanish. The grammar is practically the same. The one big difference I found was the pronunciation, drastically different between Spanish and Portuguese. If you try to read Spanish text and Portuguese text, you will see how close they are. I learned Portuguese first, then I learned Spanish. I often get confused and end up using more Spanish than Portuguese. My Spanish is much better than my Portuguese, as I have visited more Spanish speaking countries.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559597]...But I was able to communicate fairly well with my girls using Google Translate in conversation mode. Many times after a session my girls and I would lay around and converse very nicely using this app. The girls were into it. It is not perfect or as good as just speaking in the same language, but it worked! And it was fun...[/QUOTE]I agree! A few years ago, I took a mongering trip to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) and I don't speak any Vietnamese. I managed very well with my translation app (Say Hi). I found it better than Google translate.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2559971]I am surprised to hear that, as the 2 languages have so much in common, and that is probably why Brazilians understand Spanish. The grammar is practically the same. The one big difference I found was the pronunciation, drastically different between Spanish and Portuguese. If you try to read Spanish text and Portuguese text, you will see how close they are. I learned Portuguese first, then I learned Spanish. I often get confused and end up using more Spanish than Portuguese. My Spanish is much better than my Portuguese, as I have visited more Spanish speaking countries.

I agree! A few years ago, I took a mongering trip to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) and I don't speak any Vietnamese. I managed very well with my translation app (Say Hi). I found it better than Google translate.[/QUOTE]Brasilians generally understand Spanish pretty well. But native Spanish speakers typically don't understand Portugues. Like you said, the pronunciation is very different, with Spanish being much more straitforward in that regard.

Are there any differences in modus operandi between a clinica and a prive? I have been to several clinicas in Moema area such as Abbobora, Miruna, Prime, Enjoy, Julia 57. These are the best value in SP, in comparison to the costs of playing in Scandallo.

I don't think I have been to a prive. Have anyone been to a prive and how does it differ from a clinica? Or the two terms are synonyms and can be used interchangeably?

[QUOTE=Haokool;2559180]500 reals / h in Brazil?

I am guessing that's what you pay for a prim provider at a fancy place.[/QUOTE]You are correct. 500 reals / HR is the minimum price for a Scandallo girl. There are girls at Scandallo who ask even more at around 800 but I usually ignore them. The services at Scandallo vary from girls to girls, despite the high prices. Each girl is a free lancer. I have had top notch GFE services from girls I picked up at Scandallo but I also have had absolutely terrible services. Scandallo itself is a super-luxury club with beautiful modern facilities. However, it is your luck of the draw when it comes to the services of the girls at Scandallo. This modus operandi is a contrast to that of my pre-pandemic playground FKK Globe in Zurich in which the club monitors and controls and services of the girls, even though the Globe girls are also self-employed free lancers. Anyway, I come to Scandallo to enjoy playing in a first-class luxurious setting at night.

During the day in Sao Paulo, the clinicas in Moema offer much better value.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2559398]Salaam JimmyBoy,

This is correct. Although these are all a standard part of the service, if you are a gringo some girls will pretend that they are not. For this reason in any clinica is necessary for us to do the Three-Frescura test. In Brazil a [B]frescura[/B] is anything a girl does to make a session worse rather than better. The three frescuras are (1) no kissing or bad kissing, (2) refusal to do a BBBJ, and (3) artificial lube in the pussy. I think the locals rarely suffer the frescura treatment, but girls have been conditioned to automatically run frescuras on gringos so it is (unfortunately) necessary for us to ask these rather crude-sounding questions. Even in a high-end boate like Scandallo there are some girls who have conditioned to run frescuras and you have to ask the questions and prove that you are not a dumb tourist: basically making the point that you are human and do not expect to be ripped off.

This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room. There are girls who are more than happy to punish you for not doing due diligence. And of course even in Brazil there are some girls who simply don't like the job they are in and shouldn't be there. You need to be able to filter those out.

If you go to touristy clinicas, like Enjoy and certain others in Moema, your chances of running into frescuras (and being ripped off in general) are greater than if you go to places where tourists are unknown. In many ways the "better" parts of Sao Paulo are the worst. I noticed that even in some restaurants they will try to rip off gringos now. You can understand that the pandemic has caused economic hardship and possibly some envy of our relatively rich lifestyle.

Absolutely correct. It happened to me once in Abbobara and I walked out without picking a girl. That is why I don't go to Abbobara any more.[/QUOTE]I always interview the clinica girls at presentation to make sure they kiss with tongue. At Prime, some girls say no to DFK at interviews. However, I took one such girl up to the room and offered her a tip to dfk and she turned out to be one of the best DFK passionate kissers I have ever had. At the end of the 2-hour session, I gave her a tip of 100 reals which is trivial, really. It is around the price of a lousy lap dance in a strip club in the USA.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2559398]Salaam JimmyBoy,

This is correct. Although these are all a standard part of the service, if you are a gringo some girls will pretend that they are not. For this reason in any clinica is necessary for us to do the Three-Frescura test. In Brazil a [B]frescura[/B] is anything a girl does to make a session worse rather than better. The three frescuras are (1) no kissing or bad kissing, (2) refusal to do a BBBJ, and (3) artificial lube in the pussy. I think the locals rarely suffer the frescura treatment, but girls have been conditioned to automatically run frescuras on gringos so it is (unfortunately) necessary for us to ask these rather crude-sounding questions. Even in a high-end boate like Scandallo there are some girls who have conditioned to run frescuras and you have to ask the questions and prove that you are not a dumb tourist: basically making the point that you are human and do not expect to be ripped off.

This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room. There are girls who are more than happy to punish you for not doing due diligence. And of course even in Brazil there are some girls who simply don't like the job they are in and shouldn't be there. You need to be able to filter those out.

If you go to touristy clinicas, like Enjoy and certain others in Moema, your chances of running into frescuras (and being ripped off in general) are greater than if you go to places where tourists are unknown. In many ways the "better" parts of Sao Paulo are the worst. I noticed that even in some restaurants they will try to rip off gringos now. You can understand that the pandemic has caused economic hardship and possibly some envy of our relatively rich lifestyle.

Absolutely correct. It happened to me once in Abbobara and I walked out without picking a girl. That is why I don't go to Abbobara any more.[/QUOTE]The clinicas in Moema are not touristy at all. When I go to these clinicas, usually I am the only non-Portugese speaker. Everybody else speaks Portugese fluently. These clinicas serve mostly Brazilian clients.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2560329]The clinicas in Moema are not touristy at all. When I go to these clinicas, usually I am the only non-Portugese speaker. Everybody else speaks Portugese fluently. These clinicas serve mostly Brazilian clients.[/QUOTE]When I say "touristy" of a district or establishment, I don't mean that most people in it are tourists. I mean that enough tourists have visited that the locals have developed special routines for foreigners -- nearly always stuff you want to avoid.

It only takes 1 in a 1000, and there will be routines. Nets to catch the special fish.

For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.

If you or others get such a heart-rending message, Mr Oyster, please ignore it. "What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl. " -- Rumi.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2560355]When I say "touristy" of a district or establishment, I don't mean that most people in it are tourists. I mean that enough tourists have visited that the locals have developed special routines for foreigners -- nearly always stuff you want to avoid.

It only takes 1 in a 1000, and there will be routines. Nets to catch the special fish.

For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.

If you or others get such a heart-rending message, Mr Oyster, please ignore it. "What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl. " -- Rumi.[/QUOTE]In Brazil, most of the girls are not controlled by pimps. Many are attracted to the life because they are in control of themselves and their money. Most people think that girls do not have options in brothels in Brazil (used generically and collectively) but they do. They can decline clients and they can always walk away. It gets old on this forum seeing statements from gringos who really do not know service providers or Brazil. Organized crime does control other countries, but not in the major cities of Brazil.

Seems Scandallo has been open for almost 3 weeks.

How is the situation there now?

How is the talent level ATM?

Is the curfew affecting the club? Does it have to close early?

I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2560355]For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.[/QUOTE]You might be jumping to a conclusion on the involvement pimps. These type of email scams are very common from Brazilian women (and men) you befriend. The men usually concoct some type of be. S. Business opportunity which needs immediate funding. When I receive them, I just think to myself "Too bad. I liked hanging with that person."

They likely had a friend who got some cash from a couple gringos with that same exact email. From their perspective, foreign visitors have so much money what's a few hundred or a few thousand from a bunch of gringos.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2560857]I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.[/QUOTE]Looking forward to your report. I'll be there soon after you.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2560355]When I say "touristy" of a district or establishment, I don't mean that most people in it are tourists. I mean that enough tourists have visited that the locals have developed special routines for foreigners -- nearly always stuff you want to avoid.

It only takes 1 in a 1000, and there will be routines. Nets to catch the special fish.

For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.

If you or others get such a heart-rending message, Mr Oyster, please ignore it. "What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl. " -- Rumi.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is legal in Brazil but pimps are not.

Girls are independent and may have BF's, husbands, or drug dealers that they fuck for drugs.

But like the US, human trafficking or slavery still happens in Brazil because there are poor people.

Found this girl at [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL], back and forth on whatsup, and set up a time for her to come to my hotel. She did not show up the first time, and when she finally showed up the second day, she is not the girl of the photo, and it says 19 years old, but looks more like 35 years old. I gave her uber money and let her go. Really bad experience. [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] is not good.

BTW, anybody knows the current situation about Scandolla? Still R150 entrance charge fully consumable before 7:00 PM every day (or some days, what are those days)? How much is after 7:00 pm? Thursday night used to be the best night. How is now? How is Friday, and Saturday? Is it worthy to go there on a Saturday night? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Combo;2559979]Brasilians generally understand Spanish pretty well.[/QUOTE]This is not true. I do speak Spanish, and they do not understand it. Very few do. I also had a Brazilian girlfriend, and we went to Spain together, years ago. She couldn't speak, neither understand Spanish.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2561171]This is not true. I do speak Spanish, and they do not understand it. Very few do. I also had a Brazilian girlfriend, and we went to Spain together, years ago. She couldn't speak, neither understand Spanish.[/QUOTE]I speak Spanish and have been to Brazil many, many times. I believe the truth is somewhere in between. I would not say that all Brazilians understand Spanish well, but if you speak it slow enough and well enough yourself, then they will get a lot of what you are saying in simple conversations. I know this to be true because I've done it many, many times myself. I even had one Brazilian girl ask me to speak in Spanish versus English because she could understand me better. So, although not nearly a 100% substitute for knowing Portuguese, Spanish can indeed be useful in helping you to communicate in Brazil. I reported on this after my very first trip to Brazil years ago, and I ironclad stand behind it to this day.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2561171]This is not true. I do speak Spanish, and they do not understand it. Very few do. I also had a Brazilian girlfriend, and we went to Spain together, years ago. She couldn't speak, neither understand Spanish.[/QUOTE]Depends on where she is from. Most people that live near the boarders of the other countries do understand Spanish. My ex spoke Spanish fluently with me before I learned Porto.

[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2561168]Found this girl at [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL], back and forth on whatsup, and set up a time for her to come to my hotel. She did not show up the first time, and when she finally showed up the second day, she is not the girl of the photo, and it says 19 years old, but looks more like 35 years old. I gave her uber money and let her go. Really bad experience. [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] is not good.

BTW, anybody knows the current situation about Scandolla? Still R150 entrance charge fully consumable before 7:00 PM every day (or some days, what are those days)? How much is after 7:00 pm? Thursday night used to be the best night. How is now? How is Friday, and Saturday? Is it worthy to go there on a Saturday night? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Your link to a specific person is incomplete. Your link [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] opens a general page of many not the one you infer you had a problem with. Can you be more specific with the link or specific name so others will not fall victim to this provider?

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2561475]Your link to a specific person is incomplete. Your link [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] opens a general page of many not the one you infer you had a problem with. Can you be more specific with the link or specific name so others will not fall victim to this provider?[/QUOTE]Yea, this would help tremendously. Did you (DanielMatt) try to video chat with her before meeting? Did the girl have any videos posted in her ad?

From what I've read here, seems like over 90% of ads on photoacompanhantes are bait and switch. For for the remaining 10%, 9% of them are flaky.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2561484]

From what I've read here, seems like over 90% of ads on photoacompanhantes are bait and switch. For for the remaining 10%, 9% of them are flaky.[/QUOTE]I think you meant 90% of the 10%. Anyway PA is a fool's errand, and totally unnecessary, in Brazil.

I recently had a stopover in SP on my way to an undisclosed location. I had limited time and decided to spend it at Enjoy Spa based on my last memorable experience there. Only 4 ladies were available in mid afternoon, all doable. I didn't have intel to go on, so asked mamasan to recommend. Her choice was Karina, a skinny lady with piercing sexy eyes and ethnic Italian look.

Turned out to be one of those experiences every man should have at least once in a lifetime. Insane sex drive and top shelf GFE. Made the increasingly rare distinction of making me pop twice in an hour without any artificial additives. The lady was born for this and totally restores a man's faith in the medicinal benefits of mongering. Check her out, and if she doesn't make it to your top 10 (or 5) of all time, something is wrong with you.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2561706]I recently had a stopover in SP on my way to an undisclosed location. I had limited time and decided to spend it at Enjoy Spa based on my last memorable experience there. Only 4 ladies were available in mid afternoon, all doable. I didn't have intel to go on, so asked mamasan to recommend. Her choice was Karina, a skinny lady with piercing sexy eyes and ethnic Italian look.

Turned out to be one of those experiences every man should have at least once in a lifetime. Insane sex drive and top shelf GFE. Made the increasingly rare distinction of making me pop twice in an hour without any artificial additives. The lady was born for this and totally restores a man's faith in the medicinal benefits of mongering. Check her out, and if she doesn't make it to your top 10 (or 5) of all time, something is wrong with you.[/QUOTE]Can I know the price?

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2560897]Prostitution is legal in Brazil but pimps are not.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's the same in many countries. I think since the dawn of history in every society pimps have been rightly despised as parasites and prohibited. But still, they keep creeping up on us.

Whenever there is a girl earning a lot of money in a poor society and she is not too experienced in life, there are going to be guys trying to take that money, sometimes organized groups of guys. Generally they stay in the background as much as possible -- no monger wants to go with a girl who is pimped, so she is sworn to keep it a secret with dire threats from the controlling party. However, once the pimps get too much control over the industry they get a lot more brazen. They come out in the open, start to fuck alongside the customers. By this stage the real customers are treated like beta males by the girls. That is what many of us have been seeing in the European FKK scene with the Romanians and Albanians and so on. That is why we always need to be alert against the incursions of pimps. We know what the endgame is.

There are a lot of red flags to watch out for. If a girl comes to your place and the first thing she does is take out her cellphone and start reporting to a third party, be suspicious. If a girl seems enthused on Whatsapp but nervous in person, be suspicious. If a girl always uses the same driver or tries to avoid you seeing her driver, be suspicious. If she sends scammy plea messages in English be super-suspicious. There are measures you can take to avoid these things or screen out those girls entirely. Believe me, you don't want that kind of girl. When you talk to that girl you don't know who you're really talking to at all.

Apart from that, you don't want to fund that kind of whre-slavery -- possibly the original prototype for wage-slavery within the broader society. Every girl must be free. No controlling middlemen, nobody creating artificial barriers between service provider and consumer.

But don't get me wrong. I am not saying every boate or clinica manager is a pimp. There are many who are great guys and really have the customer's interests at hearts. It is only when a manager tells a girl to start deceiving the customers, it is at that exact moment that he stops being a manager and starts being a pimp. If a girl likes the customers and wants to do good, imagine how uncomfortable she must feel at that moment -- under the threat of being fired or excluded from the industry. We must not fund those kinds of enterprises.

See the book, shantaram, for a good discussion.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2561758]Yes, it's the same in many countries. I think since the dawn of history in every society pimps have been rightly despised as parasites and prohibited. But still, they keep creeping up on us.

Whenever there is a girl earning a lot of money in a poor society and she is not too experienced in life, there are going to be guys trying to take that money, sometimes organized groups of guys. Generally they stay in the background as much as possible -- no monger wants to go with a girl who is pimped, so she is sworn to keep it a secret with dire threats from the controlling party. However, once the pimps get too much control over the industry they get a lot more brazen. They come out in the open, start to fuck alongside the customers. By this stage the real customers are treated like beta males by the girls. That is what many of us have been seeing in the European FKK scene with the Romanians and Albanians and so on. That is why we always need to be alert against the incursions of pimps. We know what the endgame is.

There are a lot of red flags to watch out for. If a girl comes to your place and the first thing she does is take out her cellphone and start reporting to a third party, be suspicious. If a girl seems enthused on Whatsapp but nervous in person, be suspicious. If a girl always uses the same driver or tries to avoid you seeing her driver, be suspicious. If she sends scammy plea messages in English be super-suspicious. There are measures you can take to avoid these things or screen out those girls entirely. Believe me, you don't want that kind of girl. When you talk to that girl you don't know who you're really talking to at all.

Apart from that, you don't want to fund that kind of whre-slavery -- possibly the original prototype for wage-slavery within the broader society. Every girl must be free. No controlling middlemen, nobody creating artificial barriers between service provider and consumer..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2561743]Can I know the price?[/QUOTE]At Enjoy, price is R250 per hour. The reception are is very nicely appointed with a fish tank. They are open 11:00 to 22:00 M-F. Sat 11:00 to 19:00. Their rooms are below average for a clinica in Moema.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2560857]Seems Scandallo has been open for almost 3 weeks.

How is the situation there now?

How is the talent level ATM?

Is the curfew affecting the club? Does it have to close early?

I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come. For example, she may DFK for five minutes and then quit kissing, or she will fuck for about 15 minutes and then rush you to hurry up because time is over while there is still about 30 minutes left on the hour. Every girl is a free lancer. There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.

At the average hourly rate of R1000 per session (R500 for the garota, R250 for the room or takeout fee, R250 drinks during interviews) Scandallo is not exactly a dirt cheap place to go through a series of bad apples before you find a true passionate GFE provider. I did burn a pile of cash at this place with bad experiences. The bad apples are also promising and passionate during the pre-room interviews so it maybe difficult to weed them out until you actually get into the room. Lots of Scandallo girls are seasoned hard-core prostitutes so they know how to hook in a clients during pre-room interviews. Therefore, at Scandallo, you may step into a landmine trap that will blow up on your face at any moment. You will have to chuckle and swallow your disappointment and write off your roughly R1,000 as a bad investment loss. You have just made a bad judgment. You just have to move on to the next target and hopefully find a passionate Gfe provider.

It's a shame because the Scandallo girls make a very lucrative income comparing to the average Sao Paulo worker. To put things into perspectives, an average white-collar college-educated professional earns around R4,000-R5,000 per month in Sao Paulo, from what I know. A Scandallo girl can sleep with you for one night and earn around R1,500 to R2,000, tax free, so she should try her best to provide the GFE service at such price level.

However, I did find one wonderful GFE girl with whom I spend the night for R1,500. After that one night, we have been exchanging loving messages on WhatsApp everyday and she has agreed to come to Sao Paulo to stay 4 entire days at my apartment for R4,000. Of course, I have to work during the day so I can only spend time with her after 6PM or so. While I am at work, she is free to roam. I am waiting to see how this 4-day experiment will turn out. If it turns out wonderful, this girl is a keeper for sure.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2561986]Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come.[/QUOTE]Salaam Mr Oyster.

I talked about the Three Frescuras earlier. "Payment in advance" is a new one, a fourth frescura. I only encountered it this year. I got the impression that certain managers in certain clubs started to condone this bad behavior on the part of girls against gringos. A lot of guys coming from the US are fooled because they think this is normal behavior. It is definitely not normal behavior in Brazil.

On the one occasion this happened to me -- the girl asking for payment on entering the room -- I asked if she meant she wanted to cancel. She said yes. So I simply went back to reception, called for the manager, and got his apologies. I didn't have to pay for the girl or the room.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2561986]
There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.[/QUOTE]It's not quite as bad as that. You should get to know the names of managers and threaten to complain if a girl starts acting crazy. No matter how sharky a girl acts, she doesn't really want to be the object of a scene and get a bad reputation in the club. Try to remember that she has a lot more to lose than you do, especially if you are only a couple of weeks in town.

I want to say in fairness that I have met some amazing top-quality girls in Scandallo. I just wish the management would understand the importance of maintaining the reputation of the club. Sometimes even the clerks will try little scams. Every time they win R10 in change, they miss R1000 in lost business.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2561986]Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come. For example, she may DFK for five minutes and then quit kissing, or she will fuck for about 15 minutes and then rush you to hurry up because time is over while there is still about 30 minutes left on the hour. Every girl is a free lancer. There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.

At the average hourly rate of R1000 per session (R500 for the garota, R250 for the room or takeout fee, R250 drinks during interviews) Scandallo is not exactly a dirt cheap place to go through a series of bad apples before you find a true passionate GFE provider. I did burn a pile of cash at this place with bad experiences. The bad apples are also promising and passionate during the pre-room interviews so it maybe difficult to weed them out until you actually get into the room. Lots of Scandallo girls are seasoned hard-core prostitutes so they know how to hook in a clients during pre-room interviews. Therefore, at Scandallo, you may step into a landmine trap that will blow up on your face at any moment. You will have to chuckle and swallow your disappointment and write off your roughly R1,000 as a bad investment loss. You have just made a bad judgment. You just have to move on to the next target and hopefully find a passionate Gfe provider.

It's a shame because the Scandallo girls make a very lucrative income comparing to the average Sao Paulo worker. To put things into perspectives, an average white-collar college-educated professional earns around R4,000-R5,000 per month in Sao Paulo, from what I know. A Scandallo girl can sleep with you for one night and earn around R1,500 to R2,000, tax free, so she should try her best to provide the GFE service at such price level.

However, I did find one wonderful GFE girl with whom I spend the night for R1,500. After that one night, we have been exchanging loving messages on WhatsApp everyday and she has agreed to come to Sao Paulo to stay 4 entire days at my apartment for R4,000. Of course, I have to work during the day so I can only spend time with her after 6PM or so. While I am at work, she is free to roam. I am waiting to see how this 4-day experiment will turn out. If it turns out wonderful, this girl is a keeper for sure.[/QUOTE]Wow. I am a bit surprised by the negative review. Never heard anything but good things about Scandallo. I guess I've only taken 4 girls but the service was always top notch and unrushed. From an 8 on service to a full on 10. This was pre Covid tho. Maybe you have been enough that the stats have conspired against you. Still my fave spot on earth and can't wait to get back.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2562014]Wow. I am a bit surprised by the negative review. Never heard anything but good things about Scandallo. I guess I've only taken 4 girls but the service was always top notch and unrushed. From an 8 on service to a full on 10. This was pre Covid tho. Maybe you have been enough that the stats have conspired against you. Still my fave spot on earth and can't wait to get back.[/QUOTE]Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.

To my complete surprise, I find a higher percentage of GFE at the clinicas than at Scandallo. Clinica girls earn only around R120-R150 per hour - a stark contrast to Scandallo girls who earn at least R500 per hour. As a true believer in the capitalist system, I shake my head at this pussy market. This market is not efficient, to say the least. Or to put it more bluntly, this market is irrational. I was taught to believe that in a capitalist market, the best performer will be rewarded with the highest money amount.

I still go to Scandallo to enjoy being in its luxurious ambience. However, I am much more careful about going to room now. I used to go to room with any girls I found optically pleasing and who answered yes to all my interview questions. After I got burned a number of times, now I know that many girls don't keep their promises made during the interviews.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2562027]Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.
.[/QUOTE]Aha. That explains a bit. I always say there is only one place in the world with guaranteed optics and service. And that's Globe. It has its downsides too. But it is the only place I know where you are 100% certain of the experience. So you are fortunate and maybe a bit spoiled. LOL.

Yeah my hit percentage worldwide tends to be quite good. Maybe 5-7 poor experiences out of 100 girls. Feel pretty good about that. Think my Portuguese helps in Scandallo.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2562028]Aha. That explains a bit. I always say there is only one place in the world with guaranteed optics and service. And that's Globe. It has its downsides too. But it is the only place I know where you are 100% certain of the experience. So you are fortunate and maybe a bit spoiled. LOL.

Yeah my hit percentage worldwide tends to be quite good. Maybe 5-7 poor experiences out of 100 girls. Feel pretty good about that. Think my Portuguese helps in Scandallo.[/QUOTE]My worldwide hit percentage is excellent as well. I do not speak good Portuguese, so that certainly is not required in Scandallo to enjoy awesome success. Fucked so many hot girls there, with a high anal percentage too!

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2562011]Salaam Mr Oyster.

I talked about the Three Frescuras earlier. "Payment in advance" is a new one, a fourth frescura. I only encountered it this year. I got the impression that certain managers in certain clubs started to condone this bad behavior on the part of girls against gringos. A lot of guys coming from the US are fooled because they think this is normal behavior. It is definitely not normal behavior in Brazil.

On the one occasion this happened to me -- the girl asking for payment on entering the room -- I asked if she meant she wanted to cancel. She said yes. So I simply went back to reception, called for the manager, and got his apologies. I didn't have to pay for the girl or the room.

It's not quite as bad as that. You should get to know the names of managers and threaten to complain if a girl starts acting crazy. No matter how sharky a girl acts, she doesn't really want to be the object of a scene and get a bad reputation in the club. Try to remember that she has a lot more to lose than you do, especially if you are only a couple of weeks in town.

I want to say in fairness that I have met some amazing top-quality girls in Scandallo. I just wish the management would understand the importance of maintaining the reputation of the club. Sometimes even the clerks will try little scams. Every time they win R10 in change, they miss R1000 in lost business.[/QUOTE]I did meet some amazing top-quality girls at Scandallo also. However, I had to wade through a bunch of bad ones to find the gems. They all promise GFE services until we got into the room, then a high number of them reveal themselves as some low-class street hookers.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2562027]Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.

To my complete surprise, I find a higher percentage of GFE at the clinicas than at Scandallo. Clinica girls earn only around R120-R150 per hour - a stark contrast to Scandallo girls who earn at least R500 per hour. As a true believer in the capitalist system, I shake my head at this pussy market. This market is not efficient, to say the least. Or to put it more bluntly, this market is irrational. I was taught to believe that in a capitalist market, the best performer will be rewarded with the highest money amount.

I still go to Scandallo to enjoy being in its luxurious ambience. However, I am much more careful about going to room now. I used to go to room with any girls I found optically pleasing and who answered yes to all my interview questions. After I got burned a number of times, now I know that many girls don't keep their promises made during the interviews.[/QUOTE]I think you're being a bit too tough on Scandallo. While it's certainly possible to have duds (like any place in the world) almost all of my experiences in Scandallo have been excellent and most guys I talk to say the same. I do agree with you on the clinicas, they produce a surprisingly high percentage of GFE, which you might not think based on the set-up.

What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?

[QUOTE=Combo;2562054]I think you're being a bit too tough on Scandallo. While it's certainly possible to have duds (like any place in the world) almost all of my experiences in Scandallo have been excellent and most guys I talk to say the same. I do agree with you on the clinicas, they produce a surprisingly high percentage of GFE, which you might not think based on the set-up.[/QUOTE]I have had such good experiences in the clinicas that I have never been inclined to go to Scandallo. However, I do intend to go there one day as the good reviews are overwhelming. Regarding the clinicas I have had tremendously good GFE and service generally there, the exceptions I have had have always been with some very young girls (all legal of course) who I have encountered only at Abbobora and Enjoy and the problem with them has been mostly lack of experience. I would not put that down as a bad experience though as the girls have been willing.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2562027]Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.[/QUOTE]I do not know Steve personally, but have corresponded with him and follow his excellent posts on the Seeking Arrangements thread. I believe if there is one guy who truly succeeds at filtering out the bad experiences, it would be Steve.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2561971]At Enjoy, price is R250 per hour. The reception are is very nicely appointed with a fish tank. They are open 11:00 to 22:00 M-F. Sat 11:00 to 19:00. Their rooms are below average for a clinica in Moema.[/QUOTE]Thank you, I will test and report.

I would like to know the opening hours at Scandallo. Because I went there pretty late, for the first time, the other night, it was 00:45, and the place was closed. A girl told me the best day is definitely Thursday, and the reason is that a lot of married men can't go there on Friday or Saturday, so there are more men, and consequentially more girls. But which is the best time to be there? I didn't ask that.

I want to warn everybody about PhotoAcompanhantes. I sent back already three girls from PhotoAcompanhantes. I'm meticulous during my interviews, and I'm very clear with what I want, but this doesn't stop these scammers to send you a different girl, because the girl in the pictures doesn't even exist.

In one case I paid for the taxi, in two cases I didn't pay at all. Of the two girls I didn't pay at all, the first girl complained, but then she walked away without a cent. The second one, instead, was problematic. She called the pimp, and she threatened me. I wasn't scared because the pimp couldn't possibly pass the security. I live in a building guarded 24 hours, by armed guards. No one gets in if I do not authorize. But the girl didn't want to leave. I opened the door and she didn't leave. So I told her I was going to call the security, but the ***** closed the door and placed herself in front of the door, near the intercom, so I couldn't call. Before she left, she took a taser from the bag, and she "fired" a couple of times to show me the taser was real, but when she saw I wasn't scared, she finally left. I was about to take one of the big couch pillows, to stamp her against the door, but she finally left, telling me she would have returned with the pimp. I immediately called the security, which reassured me they were going to kick out the girl and take care of the pimp.

Don't use that website, it's trash. 90% of the time you speak with a pimp.

If a girl is asking for the money in advance, don't pay and just walk away: it's a scam. If there are men in the flat, I do not enter at all. And generally I do prefer to stay in my flat, because there is the security at the entrance. Even if it costs me more money. And always book for a flat with security, it's very important.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2562177]I have had such good experiences in the clinicas that I have never been inclined to go to Scandallo. However, I do intend to go there one day as the good reviews are overwhelming. [/QUOTE]Don't go there looking for superior GFE, you will more than likely be disappointed. Clinicas are tough to beat in that regard. People who like the club setup do so for reasons that go beyond the in-room experience.

I personally found it to be grossly underwhelming and a very poor value proposition relative to other options. Even compared to similar setups in other countries, the experience was still a let down for me.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2562289]Don't go there looking for superior GFE, you will more than likely be disappointed. Clinicas are tough to beat in that regard. People who like the club setup do so for reasons that go beyond the in-room experience.

I personally found it to be grossly underwhelming and a very poor value proposition relative to other options. Even compared to similar setups in other countries, the experience was still a let down for me.[/QUOTE]I enjoy everything about Scandallo, including the in-room experiences. Sorry its been underwhelming for you. That has not been my experience. Although, I rarely seek a "superior GFE". I'm more about the PSE, and hot Brazilian girls know how to deliver on that.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2562164]What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]The new Bomboa is pretty nice. It's smaller than the original, same girls for the most part. Live music performed every night. The staff is friendly AF, I sit at the same table every time I go. The waiter brings my bucket of Heineken and bolinhos de bacalhau. I don't even have to order.

Address:

Bomboa 222,

Rua Andr Gonalves, 40.

Itaim Bibi,

Sao Paulo, SP.

A good spot to pick up non-pros is Blue Pub.

Address:

Alameda Ribero Preto, 384.

Bela Vista,

So Paulo, SP.

*Your Portuguese needs to be on point to operate here. If you're stopping in give me a call. I'll be your wingman, I live in the apartment building across the street. Never had a problem taking a cutie back to my spot. Always have some vodka on ice in the freezer!

Cheers!

I know many forum members mentioned reduced hours of operation but for some reason I took the Google's word and went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.

Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. It was hard to scope out and find the one you like when you are in such a small space packed like sardines. I understand we are in the middle of pandemic but what I saw was bad. I thought the club is just taking advantage of their reputation. May be it was a low business day, maybe earlier that day was better or other days are better. I will visit another time later this week and see I if the club is any better.

I spoke to 4 girls and all of them 30 and above. It felt like I was in a shark infested water with the danger of getting chewed up if I dare commit to room.

I never felt the need to speak Portuguese to get by until today. The setup was such I struggled to communicate in English as most girls didn't speak English. I better learn Portuguese!

I just had couple of drinks and left.

I hope the club gets it's old self soon. If anyone planning to visit based on pre-pandemic reports should adjust their expectations considerably. My original plan was to visit the club as many times as possible during this trip but based on what I hace seen I will try one more time to see if there is improvement.

I am in Rio now. I planned 2 night but I have already extended by 2 more nights based on my experience at Solarium Monday. I will post report in Rio thread.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2562299]The new Bomboa is pretty nice. It's smaller than the original, same girls for the most part.[/QUOTE]How many Bamboas are there? Some mentioned Bamboa 40 in the forum. Is it same club or different? If different, which is better?

[QUOTE=Safado007;2562164]What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]Scandalo closes at 9 pm at this moment.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2562438]I went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.

Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. <snip>

I just had couple of drinks and left.

I hope the club gets it's old self soon. If anyone planning to visit based on pre-pandemic reports should adjust their expectations considerably. My original plan was to visit the club as many times as possible during this trip but based on what I hace seen I will try one more time to see if there is improvement.

I am in Rio now. I planned 2 night but I have already extended by 2 more nights based on my experience at Solarium Monday. I will post report in Rio thread.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. We all hope Scandallo "gets its old self back soon." When I visited SP in April all the Boates were closed, but the Clinicas, thank Buddha, were open and I had a great time. As a result of the situation, however, I cut back my intended SP visit and returned to RJ where everything was open. I really liked Solarium. It is small, but friendly and intimate. I liked a number of the girls most of all. My only criticism was that the rooms are too small, specifically the beds are too small to move from freely from cowgirl to mish (or vice a versa) without exiting the girl's vagina, but otherwise I enjoyed my visits big time.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2562440]How many Bamboas are there? Some mentioned Bamboa 40 in the forum. Is it same club or different? If different, which is better?[/QUOTE]Same club only relocated since the pandemic. The previous one was Bomboa 222 near the Oscar Freire train stop.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2562440]How many Bamboas are there? Some mentioned Bamboa 40 in the forum. Is it same club or different? If different, which is better?[/QUOTE]AFAIK there is only one. Used to be at street number 222 which they incorporated in their name. Now moved to street number 40. Same club but moved location during pandemic.

Ps it’s Bomboa (Portuguese for goodgood - bom is masculine form and boa is feminine form of the word)

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2562438]I know many forum members mentioned reduced hours of operation but for some reason I took the Google's word and went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.

Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. It was hard to scope out and find the one you like when you are in such a small space packed like sardines. I understand we are in the middle of pandemic but what I saw was bad. I thought the club is just taking advantage of their reputation. May be it was a low business day, maybe earlier that day was better or other days are better. I will visit another time later this week and see I if the club is any better.

I spoke to 4 girls and all of them 30 and above. It felt like I was in a shark infested water with the danger of getting chewed up if I dare commit to room.

I never felt the need to speak Portuguese to get by until today. The setup was such I struggled to communicate in English as most girls didn't speak English. I better learn Portuguese!

I just had couple of drinks and left.

I hope the club gets it's old self soon. If anyone planning to visit based on pre-pandemic reports should adjust their expectations considerably. My original plan was to visit the club as many times as possible during this trip but based on what I hace seen I will try one more time to see if there is improvement.

I am in Rio now. I planned 2 night but I have already extended by 2 more nights based on my experience at Solarium Monday. I will post report in Rio thread.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I'll make sure to keep my expectations low. It doesn't seem like they'd lift those restrictions anytime soon, as covid numbers haven't been decreasing.

I think Scandallo got caught with their panties down. Brazilian forum reporting the same now.

I WhatsApp them just now and got this reply. Bummer since I'm going to be in SP next week.

[quote]🎉127870;127870;128226;INFORMATIVE📢127870;127870;127881;.

We inform that due to the changes in the São Paulo plan announced by the state government.

Scandallo lounge will follow legal requirements.

🟢128994; OUR ACTIVITIES WILL BE.

From SEG TO SAB.

FROM HALF DAY.

UNTIL 21:00.

🗣 WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU 🗣.

🤜127998;129307;127998;Since we thank you for your attention🤜127998;129307;127998;.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2562442]Scandalo closes at 9 pm at this moment.[/QUOTE]Thank you, very helpful. After I read your report, I decided not to go. I will leave in a couple of weeks, and I don't think I will visit the club, at least not this time. You saved me 300 reis, that I will use for a girl.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2562607]I think Scandallo got caught with their panties down. Brazilian forum reporting the same now.

I WhatsApp them just now and got this reply. Bummer since I'm going to be in SP next week.[/QUOTE]Probably they got problems because of this video filmed secretly by journalists earlier this year:

[URL]https://youtu.be/p7jAwo7_R9c[/URL]

It seems other casas like Bomboa and connection are operating normal.

I also Zapped Bomboa and Connection for their hours. Connection has normal hours until 4 am or 5 am. Bombao was a little vague saying starting at 2 pm but didn't say closing times, which makes me think it's late.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2562786]I also Zapped Bomboa and Connection for their hours. Connection has normal hours until 4 am or 5 am. Bombao was a little vague saying starting at 2 pm but didn't say closing times, which makes me think it's late.[/QUOTE]When you guys talk about Zapp, is this the app you're talking about (attached)?

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2559011]There are two types of trans. A pre-op trans would still have a dick between her legs, despite having breasts. A post-op trans would have a pussy between her legs. You can also find a bunch of trans hookers in Kohn, Germany (on the high floor of a building full of hookers. I forgot the name of the building though). It's a place to go to browse after FKK Samya is closed at 2 am or 3 am.[/QUOTE]It's called Pasha.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascha_[/URL](brothel).

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2563028]When you guys talk about Zapp, is this the app you're talking about (attached)?[/QUOTE]Zap is Brazilian slang for WhatsApp. I think everybody in Brazil using WhatsApp to DM.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2563028]When you guys talk about Zapp, is this the app you're talking about (attached)?[/QUOTE]I believe they mean WhatsApp. Just used as a verb.

[QUOTE=Santrago;2563052]It's called Pasha.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascha_[/URL](brothel).[/QUOTE]The club has closed for good.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2562607]I think Scandallo got caught with their panties down. Brazilian forum reporting the same now.

I WhatsApp them just now and got this reply. Bummer since I'm going to be in SP next week.[/QUOTE]At least it's still open. I'm going to SP in the next couples weeks soon so thanks for posting the msg from them. So they are saying the club closes at 21:00, correct?

Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic.

My friennds and I stopped counting the girls we found hot and want. As there were way too many. And just found it easier to count girls that we would not take to the room. I would say the average girl is an 8 with tons of 8. 5 to 9. 5's. We saw at least 100 girls and the girl to guy ratio was 2 or 3 girl per guy. As Maverick or Mother Goose would say. It was a target rich environment!

We aren't newbie hobbyist either. Between us. We are frequent visitors to Asia, DR, CR, Colombia, FKKs, Tijuana, etc. For optics, we all agree Scandallo was #1 of all our experiences. With a strong dollar, it even rivaled the other places we been to for value.

We all got incredible service from our selections. Maybe we got lucky and picked the right hot girls, but any concerns for lackluster service at in inflated prices were short lived.

We also checked out Moema Prime and Bomboa and while prices are cheaper there, we scrapped plans to check out other boates or clinicas to focus the remaining hobbying time of our trip for more visits to Scandallo. Just a shame they are closed on Sunday, but it'll be a sightseeing day for us and we got other digits of other Scandallo girls for potential outcall at night. We might not need to bother with checking out the outcall website options due to the amount of digits of hot girls we got from our 1 night there.

They do close at 9 pm due to covid-19 curfew, but the girls and crowd just adjust and come earlier. We were there from 5 to 9 pm and it was hopping at 5 pm on Saturday. For the night owls or party hardy crowd, many girls move on to connections, their sister club, but we didn't go as we were still travel fatigued and satisfied after our first dip into SP garotas. We wound down our night with a quick trip to Bomboa as it was on the way back to our hotel. Cool place for locals and a nice place to chill. But it doesn't hold a candle to Scandallo.

I'll write a more detailed report later when I return to the states, but the previous reports of the demise of Scandallo is hugely exaggerated. Even with reduced club capacity, covid curfew, potentially less talent pool, it still beats our other experiences. I think our head would explode if we saw the club at its 100% potential in the good ole days.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2564023]Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic.
My friennds and I stopped counting the girls we found hot and want. As there were way too many. And just found it easier to count girls that we would not take to the room. I would say the average girl is an 8 with tons of 8. 5 to 9. 5's. We saw at least 100 girls and the girl to guy ratio was 2 or 3 girl per guy. As Maverick or Mother Goose would say. It was a target rich environment!
We aren't newbie hobbyist either. Between us. We are frequent visitors to Asia, DR, CR, Colombia, FKKs, Tijuana, etc. For optics, we all agree Scandallo was #1 of all our experiences. With a strong dollar, it even rivaled the other places we been to for value.
I'll write a more detailed report later when I return to the states, but the previous reports of the demise of Scandallo is hugely exaggerated. Even with reduced club capacity, covid curfew, potentially less talent pool, it still beats our other experiences. I think our head would explode if we saw the club at its 100% potential in the good ole days.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Socrates! I wasn't expecting much out of Scandallo due to various previous reports, but you've changed my mind. I'm definitely making it to Scandallo day 1. Thanks for your diligence in reporting on your first day. And I look forward to seeing the rest of your report.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2560298]Are there any differences in modus operandi between a clinica and a prive? I have been to several clinicas in Moema area such as Abbobora, Miruna, Prime, Enjoy, Julia 57. These are the best value in SP, in comparison to the costs of playing in Scandallo.

I don't think I have been to a prive. Have anyone been to a prive and how does it differ from a clinica? Or the two terms are synonyms and can be used interchangeably?[/QUOTE]My take on the difference between Clinicas and Prives is their price point and thus the type of clients they target / attract. In the Clinicas, the standard session lengths are 30 minutes, 1 HR, 1.5 HR, 2 hrs, etc. The Prives offer a 20 minute session length. On top of that, prices at the Prives are cheaper than the Clinicas. A 20 minute session can be between 20 to 35 reais and 30 minute session can range between 40 to 80 reais. I've only been to a handful of Prives so its a really small sample size so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt and that is the girls I saw at the Prives are generally older and out of shape. I say in general because there will be times you will find young pretty thin girls there. For me, with so many Clinicas in Sao Paulo and mostly above average lineups in each of them, it makes it tough to go out the way to these Prives. The chances of finding doable girls are much higher in the Clinicas than in the Prives IMO.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2562032]I did meet some amazing top-quality girls at Scandallo also. However, I had to wade through a bunch of bad ones to find the gems. They all promise GFE services until we got into the room, then a high number of them reveal themselves as some low-class street hookers.[/QUOTE]This is quite the opposite of the Clinicas. Your post suggest that your sample size at Scandallo is not small either. All the guys I've met in Sao Paulo who went to Scandallo all loved it. My experience at the Clinicas is that a high majority of the girls delivered on heir promises. The key is to interview the girls to make sure they will provide the services you want. The questions asked are important too. Make sure to be as specific as possible. So for example, instead of asking if she allows DFK or not, ask her instead if she likes kissing, "você gosta de beijo de lingua?" Also, if you like to eat pussy make sure to also ask that as well. I have been burned a couple of times where the girl did not want to be eaten. Its also not a bad idea to ask her if she allows one hour sessions. When you go up with a girl and do not specify a session length, the default in most clinicas will be 30 minutes. Close to the 30 minute mark, the reception will call the room phone and ask you if you want to extend the session or not. This rarely happens but on two occasions I was told by the girls they only do 30 minutes sessions (lucikily on both occasions, each girl did eventually allow me to extend the session). If you make an appointment with a girl at a later date and time make sure to tell the receptionist the session length you want. If still in doubt, I would just ask the brazilian guys sitting close to you. You can and should also ask him about which other girls he would recommand. Do not ask the managers. I find that most managers do not know their girls very well. Besides, what else are they going to tell you when you ask them if a certain girl is good or not. They will always tell you the same thing, "ela é muito bom, ela é muito gostosa". Last but not least, if you have the time, go around and check out the many other Clinicas outside of Moema (Prime, Miruna, Enjoy Spa, Abóbora) and Brooklin (Brooklin, Kin) area.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2564023]Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic.

My friennds and I stopped counting the girls we found hot and want. As there were way too many. And just found it easier to count girls that we would not take to the room. I would say the average girl is an 8 with tons of 8. 5 to 9. 5's. We saw at least 100 girls and the girl to guy ratio was 2 or 3 girl per guy. As Maverick or Mother Goose would say. It was a target rich environment!

We aren't newbie hobbyist either. Between us. We are frequent visitors to Asia, DR, CR, Colombia, FKKs, Tijuana, etc. For optics, we all agree Scandallo was #1 of all our experiences. With a strong dollar, it even rivaled the other places we been to for value..[/QUOTE]Glad to hear that you and your bros enjoyed Scandallo. So many hot tutes! You know what I say. It's the baddest "puta palace" on the planet! I thought it was closed on Sundays always. Anyway, looking forward to more details. I know it isn't necessarily for everybody, but kids how do you know you don't like it until you've tasted it? And as for Bomboa, the first time I went to Sampa, it had girls who were every bit as hot. I'm hoping it can return to its former glory. And don't forget Cafe Photo. I have found some real hotties in there too!

Thanks Socrates.

It seems reports of the demise of Scandallo are exaggerated. Given that Saturday's are slow and adding in pandemic restrictions, if you go on a "normal" night, your head might explode!

Saturday - 5/29:

Back in SP after 6 night stay in Rio.

Checked out clinica Prime in the afternoon and had session.

I have decided to not to visit Scandallo because of what I saw last Saturday and the heat they are under because of the negative media spotlight as reported by safardo007. I have decided to go to Connection hoping some of the scandallo talent would be working there until scandallo takes care of the mess they are in.

I have decided to checkout Bamboo on my way to connection. I got to the club around 8:30 and spent 2 hours. Entry is 200 R, all consumable. The club is lot smaller than the previous place and looks more like a restaurant than a club. There were 20+ girls few of they were decent but I didn't like any of them. There was one really pretty girl, looks like a much prettier version of Emma Roberts, who I would have taken to room except for some young fellow hogging her the whole time. To my surprise most of the men there were young (30 or less). What's up with these young guys? Are they not able to get normal girls outside? I guess all the older guys are staying home afraid of covid. LOL.

I got to connection around 11:30. I think the entry is about 50 R. Club is very big and it was packed with lots of girls (150+) and guys. There were few pretty girls in the club but they scattered all over so it was bit of a work to searching and finding them. Finally I did found and had a great time with a 22 yo gorgeous blonde gazelle Analicia (she needs to pick a different name if she doesn't do anal. LOL). The best thing I liked in this club that they have poker, which I can play in between scouting for girls. I will visit this club again when I am in SP.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2564023]Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic
.[/QUOTE]I am glad to hear the club was good during you visit and you liked it. Unfortunately, I didn't have such luck a week ago. Now you have some idea what hit me and other Scandallo fans during our first visit.

What areas of the club were open during your visit?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2564075]My take on the difference between Clinicas and Prives is their price point and thus the type of clients they target / attract. In the Clinicas, the standard session lengths are 30 minutes, 1 HR, 1.5 HR, 2 hrs, etc. The Prives offer a 20 minute session length. On top of that, prices at the Prives are cheaper than the Clinicas. A 20 minute session can be between 20 to 35 reais and 30 minute session can range between 40 to 80 reais. I've only been to a handful of Prives so its a really small sample size so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt and that is the girls I saw at the Prives are generally older and out of shape. I say in general because there will be times you will find young pretty thin girls there. For me, with so many Clinicas in Sao Paulo and mostly above average lineups in each of them, it makes it tough to go out the way to these Prives. The chances of finding doable girls are much higher in the Clinicas than in the Prives IMO.[/QUOTE]And this is precisely why I stay away from the prives. It isn't just about the price for me. It's about the quality too. The P's and the Q's! Usually when I see guys posting pics from their prive conquests, I'm totally not attracted. Nope, I'd rather jerk off LOL! Or better yet, stick with the clinicas by day, and the boates and termas by night.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2564177]And this is precisely why I stay away from the prives. It isn't just about the price for me. It's about the quality too. The P's and the Q's! Usually when I see guys posting pics from their prive conquests, I'm totally not attracted. Nope, I'd rather jerk off LOL! Or better yet, stick with the clinicas by day, and the boates and termas by night.[/QUOTE]I was in SP for a couple of months on my last trip and was planning to spend more time visiting the Prives. But the Clinicas kept me busy enough that I never did properly check the Prives out. I usually head out to the Clinicas around noon time and hit between at least 2 to 5 places, depending on the lineups. By the end of the day when I get back home I'm pretty much exhausted and don't have much energy left to go out to the boates at night. Having said that, if SP had a more affordable option similar to 4 x4, I would've gone out more at night. I did do some research after I left Brazil and found a bunch of boates that are much more cheaper than Connection and Scandallo. Not sure about the girl qualities thou. Another thing is they are all located in Sao Bernardo do Campo. So getting to and from them is not easy unless one has a car. I do plan to check them out on my next trip.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562444]I really liked Solarium. It is small, but friendly and intimate. I liked a number of the girls most of all. My only criticism was that the rooms are too small, specifically the beds are too small to move from freely from cowgirl to mish (or vice a versa) without exiting the girl's vagina, but otherwise I enjoyed my visits big time.[/QUOTE]It is the best club for the quality of the girls based 4 visits this week. I agree the rooms and beds are very small. I remember seeing higher priced room options in some termas but I don't remember if Solarium do the same. I am guessing the higher priced options come with much larger room and bed larger than standard one. I think termas deliberately keep the basic / standard room very small to push customers towards higher prices room options.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2564276]It is the best club for the quality of the girls based 4 visits this week. I agree the rooms and beds are very small. I remember seeing higher priced room options in some termas but I don't remember if Solarium do the same. I am guessing the higher priced options come with much larger room and bed larger than standard one. I think termas deliberately keep the basic / standard room very small to push customers towards higher prices room options.[/QUOTE]I love Solarium as it was my first termas. That said, the quality of girls in any termas varies from month to month. Sometimes Monte Carlo will have the best, sometimes Centaurus, 4 x4, etc.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2553456]T's been a slow last two weeks in Sao Paulo. Been cooped up working from home in hotel and only options have been in-calls from my roster and clinicas and prives during the day. Unfortunately, Abbobora has been closed. Had really great experiences and service at Prime consistently. Got a tip from a long time Carioca girlfriend that I should check this spot out in Jardim. It stays opens very late (5 am) and nice vibe. There were about 7 girls in waiting area all were attractive and doable. Nothing in my opinion below 7. I learned that a couple were former Casarao and Connection girls and because everything was shut down this was the best night working option. They said Saturday is probably the best day. Might be a bit more pricy than the normal clinicas and prives but the facilities are first rate and great environment.

Address: Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 - casa 1 - Jardim Paulista, So Paulo. SP, 01403-002.

Hours:

Thursday 11 AM5 AM.

Friday 11 AM5 AM.

Saturday 11 AM5 AM.

Sunday Closed.

Monday 11 AM10 PM.

Tuesday 11 AM11 PM.

Wednesday 11 AM12 AM.

Suggest an edit.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for sharing this info. I checked out this house this past Saturday night around 11 PM. They only had 4 girls working. I picked a really slim and cute girl named Maya (spelling?) who was super sensual GFE. Her service is on par with that at FKK Globe. Of all the clinicas I have been to, this house is my favorite now. There is a classy feel to this house, from the facilities to the reception girl who speaks good English. The ensuite bathroom is huge and nice. I will keep coming back here. The girls here tend to be on the slimmer side as well. I was one happy dude.

The reception girl said on the weekdays they would have around 8-9 girls working.

After the session, I sat at the reception area and chat with 2 local guys who recommended that I should check out Floripo beaches because the girls there are gorgeous. Maybe I will do so.

I posted this in the RJ forum but posting for SP as well as I'm coming down in September with a friend who has never been to Brazil (only Colombia) We'll be staying 1 week in SP and 1 week in RJ. I heard it gets a bit cold in SP around that time compared to when I went in January. Any other things I should know about September so I can prepare? We'll be getting a villa / penthouse or something like that (any recommendations for some hidden gems? Some cool hotels as well maybe since covid really hit SP and I see the rates can be good since they want to fill those vacant suites! Greatly appreciated).

Hopefully by then the lockdowns will be over and the boates and clinicas will be operating back as usual (scandallo and abbobora got hit pretty hard so I hope the experience will be the same or better when I get back like it was when I came in January).

Safado69 did Abbobora close for good or just for the time being? That was my favorite clinica as the girls were always GFE and hot! I hope it's just temporary.

My first two days in SP back in January it was in the RED lockdown phase and missed out alot so SP is always on the edge compared to RJ.

Hope why'all are doing good and great to see the reports coming in!

My trip date is coming up soon and I've started planning based on some of the reports posted in Sao Paulo and Rio forums. Here's what I've planned so far:

[b][u]SP[/u][/b]

Scandallo.

Abobora.

Moema Prime.

Enjoy Spa.

Miruna.

Bomboa.

Connections club.

Julia 57.

Cafe Photo.

[b][u]Rio[/u][/b]

Solarium.

Dolce vita.

Mabs.

4 x4.

Monte carlo termal.

Centaurus.

Looks like a lot to keep me occupied for 2 weeks (mostly in SP). Are there any "must try" termas or clinicas I'm missing? Or any I listed that are not worth visiting?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2564381]My trip date is coming up soon and I've started planning based on some of the reports posted in Sao Paulo and Rio forums. Here's what I've planned so far:

[b][u]SP[/u][/b]

Scandallo.

Abobora.

Moema Prime.

Enjoy Spa.

Miruna.

Bomboa.

Connections club.

Julia 57.

Cafe Photo.

[b][u]Rio[/u][/b]

Solarium.

Dolce vita.

Mabs.

4 x4.

Monte carlo termal.

Centaurus.

Looks like a lot to keep me occupied for 2 weeks (mostly in SP). Are there any "must try" termas or clinicas I'm missing? Or any I listed that are not worth visiting?[/QUOTE]Stop by Casarao, Rua Augusta 787 Consolacao.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2564381]My trip date is coming up soon and I've started planning based on some of the reports posted in Sao Paulo and Rio forums. Here's what I've planned so far:

[b][u]SP[/u][/b]

Scandallo.

Abobora.

Moema Prime.

Enjoy Spa.

Miruna.

Bomboa.

Connections club.[/QUOTE]Nice list. You might try ClinicacTangara in Sao Paulo and Termas 65 in Rio. You're going to be busy. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2564381]
Looks like a lot to keep me occupied for 2 weeks (mostly in SP). Are there any "must try" termas or clinicas I'm missing? Or any I listed that are not worth visiting?[/QUOTE]I would add terma 65 (whiskeria 65) to your Rio list. It is couple of minutes walk from 4 x4. Both termas together provide bigger lineup and each time I visited one I checked out the other.

Monte Carlo and Centaurus were bad when I visited. MC was terrible. Maybe you will have better luck with them.

It was closed when I was in SP during April, not shut down. The city was under a certain advisory code due to pandemic and they were one of the only clinicas / prives observing the decree.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2564350]I posted this in the RJ forum but posting for SP as well as I'm coming down in September with a friend who has never been to Brazil (only Colombia) We'll be staying 1 week in SP and 1 week in RJ. I heard it gets a bit cold in SP around that time compared to when I went in January. Any other things I should know about September so I can prepare? We'll be getting a villa / penthouse or something like that (any recommendations for some hidden gems? Some cool hotels as well maybe since covid really hit SP and I see the rates can be good since they want to fill those vacant suites! Greatly appreciated).

Hopefully by then the lockdowns will be over and the boates and clinicas will be operating back as usual (scandallo and abbobora got hit pretty hard so I hope the experience will be the same or better when I get back like it was when I came in January).

Safado69 did Abbobora close for good or just for the time being? That was my favorite clinica as the girls were always GFE and hot! I hope it's just temporary.

My first two days in SP back in January it was in the RED lockdown phase and missed out alot so SP is always on the edge compared to RJ.

Hope why'all are doing good and great to see the reports coming in![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2564309]Thanks so much for sharing this info. I checked out this house this past Saturday night around 11 PM. They only had 4 girls working. I picked a really slim and cute girl named Maya (spelling?) who was super sensual GFE. Her service is on par with that at FKK Globe. Of all the clinicas I have been to, this house is my favorite now. There is a classy feel to this house, from the facilities to the reception girl who speaks good English. The ensuite bathroom is huge and nice. I will keep coming back here. The girls here tend to be on the slimmer side as well. I was one happy dude.

The reception girl said on the weekdays they would have around 8-9 girls working.

After the session, I sat at the reception area and chat with 2 local guys who recommended that I should check out Floripo beaches because the girls there are gorgeous. Maybe I will do so.[/QUOTE]What is the pricing at this establishment?

[QUOTE=peterpanochito;2564582]What is the pricing at this establishment?[/QUOTE]R300/ HR. Like any other clinicas, it is a hit or miss. I went back tonight Monday night. There were 5 girls working. None of them got me excited so I left to go back to my apt to do some work.

I thought about going to Connection but it is just too far from Jardim area where I am staying. I have to get up early tomorrow morning for work. A cute chic whom I followed on IG messaged me so I made an appointment with her for tomorrow night. She's a buddy of a Scandallo chic with whom I did so many sessions. I will test this IG chic out with a 1-hour rendezvouz at my apt.

Like all other men, I constantly need new faces to keep me excited.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2564309]Thanks so much for sharing this info. I checked out this house this past Saturday night around 11 PM. They only had 4 girls working. I picked a really slim and cute girl named Maya (spelling?) who was super sensual GFE. Her service is on par with that at FKK Globe. Of all the clinicas I have been to, this house is my favorite now. There is a classy feel to this house, from the facilities to the reception girl who speaks good English. The ensuite bathroom is huge and nice. I will keep coming back here. The girls here tend to be on the slimmer side as well. I was one happy dude.

The reception girl said on the weekdays they would have around 8-9 girls working.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your report. Ill definitely add this on my list of Clinicas. Might be a good late night option if they if indeed they do open that late. Can you confirm the price, 300 reais right?

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2564644]R300/ HR. Like any other clinicas, it is a hit or miss. I went back tonight Monday night. There were 5 girls working. None of them got me excited so I left to go back to my apt to do some work. [/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming the price. 300 reais is quite high for a clinica, even Abbobora is not that high. I know you said their facilities are nice. How are they compared to Prime's rooms? I hope they have real beds.

I tried google mapping the address Alemeda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 but could find a building with that number. There is 1656 then the next building is 1682.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2564650]Thank you for your report. Ill definitely add this on my list of Clinicas. Might be a good late night option if they if indeed they do open that late. Can you confirm the price, 300 reais right?[/QUOTE]Confirmed R300/ HR.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2564459]It was closed when I was in SP during April, not shut down. The city was under a certain advisory code due to pandemic and they were one of the only clinicas / prives observing the decree.[/QUOTE]Abbobora is open M-Sat. They close on Sunday I believe. Miruna and Prime are open Sunday.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2562289]Don't go there looking for superior GFE, you will more than likely be disappointed. Clinicas are tough to beat in that regard. People who like the club setup do so for reasons that go beyond the in-room experience.

I personally found it to be grossly underwhelming and a very poor value proposition relative to other options. Even compared to similar setups in other countries, the experience was still a let down for me.[/QUOTE]The point is to test drive them in the room and then get their number. Always suggest that you will be a regular client of theirs and they will perform better first time.

I lost count how many GFE / pse I had there and later got their number to spend whole day or week with me. Some traveled with me to other countries for free which was a great value LOL.

Suzanna was more than willing, but geez that A-hole was tight! I could not penetrate into her anus properly. When that happens, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, which almost always works. Don't know why I didn't with Suzanna. I settled with cumming all over her ass cheeks instead (as well as drilling that young, pretty branca buceta).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2565194]Suzanna was more than willing, but geez that A-hole was tight! I could not penetrate into her anus properly. When that happens, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, which almost always works. Don't know why I didn't with Suzanna. I settled with cumming all over her ass cheeks instead (as well as drilling that young, pretty branca buceta).[/QUOTE]In Brazil they call that missionary anal position "roast chicken" for obvious reasons. They have a great way with words for sex positions. Missionary is called MMPP for "mama and papa" — as in boring traditional sex like the parents do. LOL. Luv that.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2565194]Suzanna was more than willing, but geez that A-hole was tight! I could not penetrate into her anus properly. When that happens, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, which almost always works. Don't know why I didn't with Suzanna. I settled with cumming all over her ass cheeks instead (as well as drilling that young, pretty branca buceta).[/QUOTE]It is indeed a tight ass. Last Sunday before my flight back home, I went to Clinica Prime and fucked a beautiful tall girl in her tight ass. She let me have a full go at her ass with no push back. I started with doggie and transitioned to missionary before very satisfying finish.

I went to both Connection and Bomboa this week. They are open until around 3-4 am. Both places were packed with girls and customers. I think Connection got more than 100 girls, Bomboa around 30 maybe. Will check out Scandallo on Saturday, which seems to be the only day where it could make sense due to the 9 pm closure.

I hit this in late 2019 with a Ceci girl.

She loved it, as she was pricing herself against the talent there.

Security is tight. They made me surrender a small flashlight in lululemon dress pant quality trousers, the aptly named, "ABC -- anti ball crushing -- pant, which is highly recommended travel gear, along with all the LULU gear.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2564392]Stop by Casarao, Rua Augusta 787 Consolacao.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2564659]Thanks for confirming the price. 300 reais is quite high for a clinica, even Abbobora is not that high. I know you said their facilities are nice. How are they compared to Prime's rooms? I hope they have real beds.

I tried google mapping the address Alemeda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 but could find a building with that number. There is 1656 then the next building is 1682.[/QUOTE]There is a small alley in between. Go to Casa 1. Yes, they do have real beds, and their bathrooms are huge for SP standard.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2565612]I hit this in late 2019 with a Ceci girl.

She loved it, as she was pricing herself against the talent there.

Security is tight. They made me surrender a small flashlight in lululemon dress pant quality trousers, the aptly named, "ABC -- anti ball crushing -- pant, which is highly recommended travel gear, along with all the LULU gear.[/QUOTE]Casarao is currently closed. Check their website.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2565668]There is a small alley in between. Go to Casa 1. Yes, they do have real beds, and their bathrooms are huge for SP standard.[/QUOTE]This place is called Prive Savana's Club on Gpguia. I heard it's been around for like 30 years but hardly anyone knows about it.

I wanted to lay out my game plan for when I arrive:

Exchange a small amount USD at the airport and the rest in the city.

I'll probably need to visit the bank before my flight and exchange my money for crisp bills. I'm assuming Brazil's currency exchange is similar to Vietnam and Thailand where they won't accept worn bills? And currency exchange in the city is going to be better than exchange rates in the airport? Do they also give lower amounts if the bills are in smaller denominations like in Thailand?

After (or before, depending on where the phone kiosk is), I'll get a sim card for my GSM phone. Upon activation, I'll Uber to my hotel and drop off my luggage while I walk around a bit, probably to the mall and get something to eat.

Since check-in's at 2, I'll have some time to kill. I'm thinking of visiting either Prime or Carinas, although I suppose the talent will be hit or miss so early in the day. After resting up, I'll probably head over to Scandallo or Tangara.

I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.

[B]Airport to Hotel[/B]

The airport is really nice and simple. You make your way out of customs check and out of the duty free shopping area. I don't remember seeing any cell phone selling services / kiosks. There was an exchange kiosk prior to exiting the customs checkpoint. , but it was closed. Right before exiting the airports are where I saw some currency exchange desks. I exchanged $40 US, but realized what a rip off the airport exchange rate is. I got back 150 REAL for 40 USD. That's a 25% loss ($10)! Glad I only exchanged $40. I actually shouldn't have exchanged any at all. But didn't know if I'd need it for some reason.

Finding a vendor to buy a sim card was also an adventure. Everyone kept telling me to go upstairs. Eventually ended up on the top floor, but they require a CPF number. There was a nice older lady that understood English and translated for me. She apologized and said it makes no sense that they don't give sim cards to tourists in an airport. I thanked her and left.

So, after walking around in the airport for a good 30-60 minutes, I'm ready to head to my hotel. I use the airport wifi to call an Uber. But the connection drops outside. I had to turn on roaming on my US phone to get service and get an Uber.

Hotel check-in was pretty smooth. Although she forgot to give me my wifi password. If you're booking in Bourbon hotel, the username and password are the hotel room and firstname+lastname (lowercase). They allowed me to check in early (12 pm) since the room was ready. Unpacked, showered, and went to the mall + grocery store.

[B]Phone[/B]

Oh man. The phone's been a huge ordeal for me today. It's the reason I'm writing the report instead of being in Scandallo. I've been running back and forth trying to get a sim to work. First went to the Ibirapuera mall. Went all the way to the top to get a new sim card. Lots of miscommunication due to language barrier, even with google translator. Finally got my sim card. Phone and internet worked. But after a couple hours, the internet was not working again. I don't know what data plan they gave me, but I ran out of it FAST. Went back to the mall to Vivo (2nd floor). They told me to go to see&A to recharge my data. I went, and again took a good 30 minutes to recharge due to the language barrier. It worked again for an hour or so, but stopped again. I went back to the mall, went to the 3rd floor (where I got my phone). The manager there speaks English. He told me I need to dial the number on the back of the card I received plus the number on the scratch off. So back to my hotel. I called the number, but nothing happened. Again, back to the mall to figure out what's going on. The manager's gone now. A couple ladies help me out. They reset my data in their system and tell me it might take 24 hours.

So here I am, in my hotel. Writing this report instead of going to Scandallo =(. But I did get to visit Prime and had a good time.

Oh yea, the exchange rate at the mall was much better. Got the full 5:1 conversion.

[B]Field Report[/B]

Went to a couple clinicas (Prime and Carinas), but only sessioned with Mia at Prime. She was DDG, easily a 9 for me. Not too big, but with some meat on her bones. Her face reminded me of Dascha Polanco from Orange is the new Black, but with a banging body. She had burgundy hair highlights and piercings in both her nipples. 240 real for 1 HR. Only went for 1 pop, I don't know if MSOG is available. Lots of kissing, decent BBBJ with LOTS of spit and very responsive to DATY. Covered MISH with DFK and K9 for the finish. Still had 30 minutes after the pounding. She gave me a very light massage. Normally don't like light massages, but it felt really good due to fatigue from the flight.

I went to Carninas after Prime just to check them out. When I got there, they only had 2 garotas available. Neither looked that great so I left. Hopefully, the pickings will be better tomorrow.

[B]Food[/B]

Due to internet not working on my phone, decided to settle for the Hotel restaurant. I really wanted steak for my first meal. The restaurant's called Zillis. Steak was kind of bland. Don't know if that's because of my American taste buds.

Got to get my internet working tomorrow so I can Uber around!

TL; DR. Spent most of the day trying to get internet working with new sim card. Only got to try 1 clinica, but had a good session with Mia at Prime.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566352]I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.

[B]Airport to Hotel[/B]

The airport is really nice and simple. You make your way out of customs check and out of the duty free shopping area. I don't remember seeing any cell phone selling services / kiosks. There was an exchange kiosk prior to exiting the customs checkpoint. , but it was closed. Right before exiting the airports are where I saw some currency exchange desks. I exchanged $40 US, but realized what a rip off the airport exchange rate is. I got back 150 REAL for 40 USD. That's a 25% loss ($10)! Glad I only exchanged $40. I actually shouldn't have exchanged any at all. But didn't know if I'd need it for some reason.

Finding a vendor to buy a sim card was also an adventure. Everyone kept telling me to go upstairs. Eventually ended up on the top floor, but they require a CPF number. There was a nice older lady that understood English and translated for me. She apologized and said it makes no sense that they don't give sim cards to tourists in an airport. I thanked her and left.[/QUOTE]I was going to reply to your earlier message and tell you to try Vivo on the third floor at Ibirapuera, but I got locked out. I got a SIM card there last December and again this past Monday. Took about 45 min. I have no CPF but they arrange it. I think I paid $12 reais for the sim and an extra $100 reais or so and got set up with loads of data good for 6 months.

Instead of doing exchange try using a debit card. They are accepted almost everywhere. Or withdraw from the ATM. Some ATMs charge fees. Some do not. My best luck is with Bradesco ATMs.

For a decent steak try Barbaro in Vila Olimpia. It's not too far from Shopping Ibirapuera.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2565296]In Brazil they call that missionary anal position "roast chicken" for obvious reasons. They have a great way with words for sex positions. Missionary is called MMPP for "mama and papa" as in boring traditional sex like the parents do. LOL. Luv that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and doggy is 'quatro' - just learned that the other day when a lady was showing me her tail.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566352]I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.

[B]Airport to Hotel[/B]

There was an exchange kiosk prior to exiting the customs checkpoint. , but it was closed. Right before exiting the airports are where I saw some currency exchange desks. I exchanged $40 US, but realized what a rip off the airport exchange rate is. I got back 150 REAL for 40 USD. That's a 25% loss ($10)! Glad I only exchanged $40. I actually shouldn't have exchanged any at all. But didn't know if I'd need it for some reason.
[/QUOTE]SK, Nice report. Such candid observations are always very valuable to mongers. And, yes, never change money at the airport. Your best bet are the bank ATMs at the airport if you need cash.

I don't understand why it seems to be so hard to get a SIM card in Brazil. I feel like multiple posters have had trouble in this area. Is there a definitive guide? After reading SK's report I'm still confused.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566352]
Got to get my internet working tomorrow so I can Uber around!

TL; DR. Spent most of the day trying to get internet working with new sim card. Only got to try 1 clinica, but had a good session with Mia at Prime.[/QUOTE]Nice detailed initial report. Good to see you on the ground and hoping to hear some honest intel on Scandallo and other boetes in coming days.

I really wanted to respond to your arrival plan post regarding money exchange and SIM card but decided against it because I thought you you knew what you were doing.

Money Exchange:

I have never exchanged currency in foreign country except in Canada (Canada has places that give very competitive exchange rate) because of poor exchange rate they give. I think 5:1 you got at the mall is a good rate but you got screwed at airport.

There are other more efficient and secure ways to get local currency if you don't mind leaving an electronic trail. You can PM me for details or search the forum to find out for yourself.

SIM card:

I used it only once in Europe which worked fine but it was a hassle to provide identification etc. To get it activated. I have used T-mobile in the past but I now use Google-Fi and it is fantastic.

Prime:

I usually go for 1 HR sessions but in clinicas I prefer 30 min because of language problem. 1 HR is too long when you can't speak same language.

Looking forward to reading your reports.

My return journey to SP went exceptionally well, and my faith in SP as a premium mongering destination is cemented.

Visited many of the clinicas from my last trip. Miruna, Brooklin, Enjoy, and surprisingly this time, everyone I sessioned with provided MSOG and honored the full hour. Another surprise was that 2 ladies directed Mr Jonhson to their backdoor without my asking. Only in Brazil.

I also tried some new clinicas. The two that stood out were Kin Center and Prime:

Kin Center; I found this spa to be the most welcoming of all the ones I have visited so far. Very friendly front desk with English speaker on hand to help if needed. Selection was decent, someone for everyone's taste. I chose Victoria, a slim hottie with tats everywhere. Had a tongue piercing that she knew how to put to good use. Excellent GFE service plus massage. MSOG friendly.

Prime; Seems to be very popular or I went at the wrong time, had to wait 40 min for a room after making my choice. The hottest lineup I ever saw in any spa. Six ladies were available and all were 8 and up. Chose Alicia, a skinny but very shapely hottie. Spoke good English. Only downside was that she did not like kissing, but everything else was delivered to perfection, including MSOG. One of the few with whom I did not need to fake the second pop.

I also had a visit from a hottie I met on the last trip, and this time she took a full holiday from polishing other men's poles for cash to be with me full time. Spent the entire week at my place. These Brazilians are the best.

Also took time to visit MASP, thoroughly enjoyed the experience and I highly recommend. Only Rs 90 for 2 tickets.

Happy mongering my friends.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2566372]SK, Nice report. Such candid observations are always very valuable to mongers. And, yes, never change money at the airport. Your best bet are the bank ATMs at the airport if you need cash.[/QUOTE]Nope, they are rigged with card skimmers. GRU is one big gringo trap. It's best if you have cash from a previous visit. Or call an Uber using a card and get cash in an ATM once you get into the city. Not a 24-hour ATM as those are often hijacked too.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2566373]I don't understand why it seems to be so hard to get a SIM card in Brazil. I feel like multiple posters have had trouble in this area. Is there a definitive guide? After reading SK's report I'm still confused.[/QUOTE]I don't know either, but from the behavior of phone store clerks there are clearly some perverse incentives at work. My best guess is that they only get commission for sales to customers with CPFs and this is part of the government's drive to plant CPFs on everyone and shoehorn CPFs into every transaction.

You could try saying, "If you sell me a SIM card, I'll buy R100 credit," and maybe they get commission on that.

In RJ you can get a registered (cadastro) sim card at Central for 17 reais.

Not in SP.

My intuition is it is security.

Think of all the things you can do with a phone number, which in turn gets attached to whatsapp and all the other messaging apps.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2566386]I don't know either, but from the behavior of phone store clerks there are clearly some perverse incentives at work. My best guess is that they only get commission for sales to customers with CPFs and this is part of the government's drive to plant CPFs on everyone and shoehorn CPFs into every transaction.

You could try saying, "If you sell me a SIM card, I'll buy R100 credit," and maybe they get commission on that.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense.

Super spreader venue.

Its a dance bar / strip club and it is fun AF.

Loved taking the ceci girl there, it was a more or less normal date night out before going back to a love motel and fucking all night.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2565669]Casarao is currently closed. Check their website.[/QUOTE]

Rather than running around all over the place trying to acquire a SIM card, I signed up with a major USA Carrier with an excellent international plan. All I have to do is turn on roaming when I get to my destination, and it just works! I have the internet, and I can make calls. I get why some might want a local SIM card, but its never been worth the aggravation to me. And as for getting money, I used to carry a lot with me, then search out a good exchange house, but no more. Instead, I'm sold on withdrawing what I need from the ATMs. Exercise the right precautions, and you can do this safely. And go with the right financial institution, and you can avoid ATM fees too. My bank charges zero foreign transaction fees, and if the local bank charges fees, my institution refunds 100% of those at the end of the month! Getting money is discussed thoroughly in the "Real vs Dollar and other currency issues" thread. Guys please, please, please RTFF to get the best advice and suggestions on how to deal with these logistical issues so that you spend less time worrying about SIM cards and access to cash, and more time on hitting that gash! All of this has been discussed extensively on the site.

I have been in SP for the last week. I visiting a bunch of clinicas and by far the best is Prime. They have usually 10-16 girls per day with a rotating staff of at least 30. I've been every day and there several new girls I haven't seen before who I have to add to do list. I love thin girls and spinners with natural breasts. The other clinicas I have visited usually only 1-2 girls that interested me. They are more fake T & A But guys love that down here. Other good places that I like are Enjoy and Indy (insanely cheap at 150 reals for one full hour).

A few notes. Time in clinicas is set and girls stay the full time, either 30 minutes or one hour. I always pick one hour, which is only 10-15 US $ more. One girl who I wasn't clicking with asked me 5 times if it was ok to leave the room after the first shot because she didn't want to get in trouble. After the first shot, if the girl ask if you want a massage that their code word question for Are we done with sex? My sessions have been 50% full on sex for the full hour or if the first shot was just good, I would just opt for a ok massage from a naked girl for 20 minutes. CIM (almost always offered) and anal (if offered) is included. Also their start hours are misleading, Prime and other say they are opened at 10 am but girls don't come in until 12 pm or 1 pm. Get the clinicas WhatsApp status by asking them to add you to their contacts and you get daily schedule and pics on status. I found this to be very useful to see if I going to check out a place. You can also schedule a girl ahead of time by messaging. One last thing, very few of girls or madams speak English so google translate your messages.

I went to Scandallo yesterday, Saturday evening and stayed until closure at 9 pm. As there were recently a bit contrary reports on the situation at Scandallo, unfortunately my experience was almost exactly the same as Lalabo's:

The only areas open are the bar right by the entrance, adjacent smoker room where people are cramped together and the restaurant, which was pretty much deserted. Disco and Patio closed, Party atmosphere non -existent. Girls quality the lowest I have ever experienced in my maybe 30+ total visits before and during pandemic. Total maybe 50-60 girls, some older and overweight, average 5's and 6's at best, some would even have a hard-time in cheaper places. Few doable girls, hardened pros, pushy and annoying trying to get you to the room, certainly no model quality. Reduced Cover 50 Reais + 150 Consumption. Girls confirmed that during the week movement is even slower. I don't think I will go back until they get back to normal opening hours. The place to be at the moment is definitely Connection. They have more and better girls with quite a few who are normally working at Scandallo.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2562438]I know many forum members mentioned reduced hours of operation but for some reason I took the Google's word and went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.

Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. It was hard to scope out and find the one you like when you are in such a small space packed like sardines. I understand we are in the middle of pandemic but what I saw was bad. I thought the club is just taking advantage of their reputation. May be it was a low business day, maybe earlier that day was better or other days are better. I will visit another time later this week and see I if the club is any better..[/QUOTE]

This one of the closet hotel to the clinicas and Prime. I asked the front desk, you can check in after 9 am if there is availability in this large hotel. Before 9 am, they will charge half day. If checking out very late, like 8 pm they also charge half day. For those with USA flights. I've been staying at an Airbnb in meoma which was even closer. I was walking around this morning to see my housing options for next time.

I went to Scandallo x2, connection x3 and Bomboa x 1. Scandallo girls are beautiful as mentioned previously, they are dressed to impress but many have fake tits. They closed at 9 pm this week so it competed with my clincias schedule, which most regularly close also at 9 pm. Connections and Bomboa closes around 4 am. I like connection the best, maybe mostly for the hours. I would do the clinicas during the day and head over to connection around 10 or 11 pm. It's a big club party scene in connection and the girls are less impressive and in more club wear but there are less fake tits there. There were still 5-6 stunners for me. Scandallo had only the restaurant and outdoor patio open which limited girl interaction. The girls said they missed the dancing in the closed indoor lounge area. Connection girls would go to the room for 300 to 500 reals with room costing 140. Scandallo girls settled for 400 to 700 with room costing 240. Warning, they will ask for 700 to 1400 first so you got to negotiate. Entry was only consumption for me since I always went over the minimum, I think it was 100 connection and 150 Scandallo (due to the reduced hours). Bomboa is a small classy cocktail lounge with I think 200 consumption min with maybe 20 -30 girls. You get a table and waiter, who you can ditch but there is really not much to walk around. My waiter asked for a tip when I checked out and I thought he was nice enough to give him something. No tipping in connection and scandallo. In my opinion, the service from the boates girls is good but not as good as the clinicas girls, who really aim to please you one scandallo girl didn't DFK and did covered BJ, my mistake.

I have been a FKK fan for last 6 years. I thought it was amazing system where you can session with girls, relax in the sauna, eat or sleep for the entire day. I have missed it for the last 18 months. SP is competing for the title. One thing still going for FKK is that is that the girls are naked or near naked. You can really pick your body type. Almost all FKK speak English which is a big play. In SP, the girls are dressed and they can really hid flaws. The service and price of SP clinicas is on top though. For 30 to 50 US $ you can have one full hour of GFE sex with CIM and anal included. If you want to party at night, you can go to the boates but it's more expensive. In SP, got to learn Portuguese to speak with the girls, google translate isn't the same.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2566373]I don't understand why it seems to be so hard to get a SIM card in Brazil. I feel like multiple posters have had trouble in this area. Is there a definitive guide? After reading SK's report I'm still confused.[/QUOTE]You can get a limited-time SIM card for tourists. Just bring your passport. (I found out about it on this forum.) It took at least a half hour in the phone store to get it, though.

I also recall reading (and verified) that you can request a CPF number online, though it may be pre-travel.

For a very interesting tour of Sao Paolo, take a ride on the main street leading to Universidad do Sao Paolo.

Day or night, that street is lined with tall, tanned women in colorful, sexy dresses. Just grab their crotches and check to make sure their dicks are not bigger than yours hehe.

I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;2566520]You can get a limited-time SIM card for tourists. Just bring your passport. (I found out about it on this forum.) It took at least a half hour in the phone store to get it, though.

I also recall reading (and verified) that you can request a CPF number online, though it may be pre-travel.[/QUOTE]Do you have any additional details about this? Because that's exactly what I did. More than anything, I find it annoying and counter intuitive that you can't get one at the airport. It's the first thing that a tourist needs to do.

Even outside the airport, it's not simple. I went to the Vivo store with my passport 4 times yesterday and I still have issues with my phone. I got to go back and see if they can fix it. Right now, it's only my internet that's not working. But I can't Uber around without it. I might look into GoogleFi as Lalabo mentioned.

As for the currency exchange, I don't recall the exchange rate being mentioned regarding the airport. 5:1 exchange rate at the mall was decent, so I lost $10 from that mistake at the airport. I don't think I really regret it. I didn't need the cash, but you never know what emergency you'd run into. I've read the post regarding using Schwab. And I'll get around to it, probably by the end of the year. But I don't think it's much of an issue. The phone problem was / is the biggest hurdle right now.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2566511]I have been a FKK fan for last 6 years. I thought it was amazing system where you can session with girls, relax in the sauna, eat or sleep for the entire day. I have missed it for the last 18 months. SP is competing for the title. One thing still going for FKK is that is that the girls are naked or near naked. You can really pick your body type. Almost all FKK speak English which is a big play. In SP, the girls are dressed and they can really hid flaws. The service and price of SP clinicas is on top though. For 30 to 50 US $ you can have one full hour of GFE sex with CIM and anal included. If you want to party at night, you can go to the boates but it's more expensive. In SP, got to learn Portuguese to speak with the girls, google translate isn't the same.[/QUOTE]Go to Rio for the termas and an FKK-like experience.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566537]Do you have any additional details about this? Because that's exactly what I did. More than anything, I find it annoying and counter intuitive that you can't get one at the airport. It's the first thing that a tourist needs to do.

Even outside the airport, it's not simple. I went to the Vivo store with my passport 4 times yesterday and I still have issues with my phone. I got to go back and see if they can fix it. Right now, it's only my internet that's not working. But I can't Uber around without it. I might look into GoogleFi as Lalabo mentioned.

As for the currency exchange, I don't recall the exchange rate being mentioned regarding the airport. 5:1 exchange rate at the mall was decent, so I lost $10 from that mistake at the airport. I don't think I really regret it. I didn't need the cash, but you never know what emergency you'd run into. I've read the post regarding using Schwab. And I'll get around to it, probably by the end of the year. But I don't think it's much of an issue. The phone problem was / is the biggest hurdle right now.[/QUOTE]Out of pure curiosity, what and how much was the plan that you bought from the SIM store? I used to do this many years ago and then T-Mobile switched to unlimited data plans while traveling for like $10 month so I would use that. Now, I have a dual sim phone so I just purchase an eSim thru an app that gives me high speed data use for my trips.

I would like to compare which would be the cheaper and most importantly, the easier option.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2566546]Out of pure curiosity, what and how much was the plan that you bought from the SIM store? I used to do this many years ago and then T-Mobile switched to unlimited data plans while traveling for like $10 month so I would use that.[/QUOTE]You must be on an antiquated plan. The T-mobile plan that I have had for the last many years includes unlimited data while traveling, free calls and texts between USA, Canada, and Mexico. Free calls over wifi. I pay $70 including taxes. It has been close to 10 years that I was able to ditch my Brazilian SIM because of T-mobile.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566537]As for the currency exchange, I don't recall the exchange rate being mentioned regarding the airport. 5:1 exchange rate at the mall was decent, so I lost $10 from that mistake at the airport. I don't think I really regret it. I didn't need the cash, but you never know what emergency you'd run into. I've read the post regarding using Schwab. And I'll get around to it, probably by the end of the year.[/QUOTE]There are not many airports around the world that you can exchange money and not get totally fucked. Philippines and Dominican Republic (Ban Reservas, the other bank will fuck you) are the best that I have seen and next to those is Thailand. Any other airport, just use the ATM. It only takes 2 minutes these days to set up an account online with Schwab. My mom and dad hardly travel, but I set up an account for both of them to use when they need.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2566354]I was going to reply to your earlier message and tell you to try Vivo on the third floor at Ibirapuera, but I got locked out. I got a SIM card there last December and again this past Monday. Took about 45 min. I have no CPF but they arrange it. I think I paid $12 reais for the sim and an extra $100 reais or so and got set up with loads of data good for 6 months.

Instead of doing exchange try using a debit card. They are accepted almost everywhere. Or withdraw from the ATM. Some ATMs charge fees. Some do not. My best luck is with Bradesco ATMs.

For a decent steak try Barbaro in Vila Olimpia. It's not too far from Shopping Ibirapuera.[/QUOTE]Bresdesco gives the best rates imo. Usually what the lowest rate was yesterday. Banco24 and Santander is the worst. Itau and Banco do Brasil doesn't allow international debit cards. If you use your credit card for purchases there is a 6% surcharge w / cielo processer.

Can get CPF as a tourist, just go to their CPF office, one on Av Paulista.

Claro is the only provider with 5 G but is spotty, 30 R for 6 gigs of data and whatsapp data is free and free calls if you use their prefix dialing 021.

Seems like all the top girls have gone MIA or hooked up w / a BF or have regular clients.

Only 10% of the population has been fully vaccinated with the China vaccine being 50% effective against the P1 variant, it will be until at least the end of the year before things are "normal" again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566552]You must be on an antiquated plan. The T-mobile plan that I have had for the last many years includes unlimited data while traveling, free calls and texts between USA, Canada, and Mexico. Free calls over wifi. I pay $70 including taxes. It has been close to 10 years that I was able to ditch my Brazilian SIM because of T-mobile.[/QUOTE]That is the one I have also. Last time I was in a T-Mobile store was when I got my XS which was close to three years ago. I think I changed my plan back then. I should go back in and see what they offer now. I do remember that I have the higher speed data while traveling which is what the extra $10 might be for.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2566482]I went to Scandallo yesterday, Saturday evening and stayed until closure at 9 pm. As there were recently a bit contrary reports on the situation at Scandallo, unfortunately my experience was almost exactly the same as Lalabo's:

The only areas open are the bar right by the entrance, adjacent smoker room where people are cramped together and the restaurant, which was pretty much deserted. Disco and Patio closed, Party atmosphere non -existent. Girls quality the lowest I have ever experienced in my maybe 30+ total visits before and during pandemic. Total maybe 50-60 girls, some older and overweight, average 5's and 6's at best, some would even have a hard-time in cheaper places. Few doable girls, hardened pros, pushy and annoying trying to get you to the room, certainly no model quality. Reduced Cover 50 Reais + 150 Consumption. Girls confirmed that during the week movement is even slower. I don't think I will go back until they get back to normal opening hours. The place to be at the moment is definitely Connection. They have more and better girls with quite a few who are normally working at Scandallo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update on Scandallo. There are few other forum members on the ground this week, so let's see if they see anything different there. Like you I liked Connection and it was way better than Scandallo and Bamboa when I visited. There were lots of girls there, mostly average looking ones but there were many good looking girls too. It is worth checking out connection even tough it is bit far (30+ min Uber ride) from Moema area.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2566483]This one of the closet hotel to the clinicas and Prime. I asked the front desk, you can check in after 9 am if there is availability in this large hotel. Before 9 am, they will charge half day. If checking out very late, like 8 pm they also charge half day. For those with USA flights. I've been staying at an Airbnb in meoma which was even closer. I was walking around this morning to see my housing options for next time.[/QUOTE]I don't remember at what time I got to bourbon but they did charge me half day for early check-in. They will charge half day for late checkout until 7 pm (no charge up to 2 pm) and they charge full day for checkouts after that.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2566511]I have been a FKK fan for last 6 years. I thought it was amazing system where you can session with girls, relax in the sauna, eat or sleep for the entire day. I have missed it for the last 18 months. SP is competing for the title. One thing still going for FKK is that is that the girls are naked or near naked. You can really pick your body type. Almost all FKK speak English which is a big play. In SP, the girls are dressed and they can really hid flaws. The service and price of SP clinicas is on top though. For 30 to 50 US $ you can have one full hour of GFE sex with CIM and anal included. If you want to party at night, you can go to the boates but it's more expensive. In SP, got to learn Portuguese to speak with the girls, google translate isn't the same.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said. When girls are clothed there is potential for surprises.

[B]Still phone issues[/B]

Went to the mall again to Vivo on the 3rd floor of Ibirapuera. Lady that helped me yesterday said that I should come back tomorrow. It was close to 8 pm yesterday when she "reset" my account and said it would take up to 24 hours for the reset to take effect. Their store closes at 8 PM on Sundays. Fortunately, there were plenty of clinica options within walking distance, so it wasn't too big of a deal. Lots of places closed on Sunday, so I don't feel like I'm missing out too much.

I swear, if they can't figure it out by tomorrow, I'll probably try my luck elsewhere and switch providers.

[B]Clinicas[/B]

For the newbs: You're waiting with several other mongers in a lobby where the receptionist desk is. Doesn't seem like anybody finds it awkward, and it's funny to see some of them seem well acquainted with one another.

Visited Carinas first this time, since they were busy last night. Turns out they're closed today (Sunday). Walked over to Clinica Miruna. About 7 girls walked into the lobby to introduce themselves, one at a time. None of them piqued my interest. One was a 7, Clara. Others were about a 6. So headed over to Prime again. Mia from last night texted that she couldn't make it to the shop today. Actually made me want to visit the shop more. Girls came out one by one again. First Pauli (8), she was very pretty, about 5'5". She was snatched up immediately. Next was Eva (8). She looked to be very young, pretty, and tight. So I decided to session with her.

Eva, I learned later, was 20 years old. I asked her before the session started if she's ok with French Kiss and she said yes. But as the session progressed, she didn't allow for french kissing. Just some pecks on the lips, then she'd turn her head. It might've been for the better as her breath stank. I also noticed that she brought 2 condoms, so I figured MSOG is available. She starts with a good amount of fondling the johnson with her hand. I started to suck on her tits. She's got a pretty small set of breasts and eraser sized nipples. Her breasts were much firmer than Mia's. Eva was pretty responsive when I sucked her nipples and I started to get hard. She applied the cover I brought (Sagami. 01) and started the BJ. So no BBBJ here. I asked her for it, but she pointed to her mouth, said something, and I said fine. I don't know if she was saying she's got an infection in her mouth or she doesn't want one. After a few minutes, she got on top for CG (she's very tight). I started pounding from under and she was really vocal. This is when I discovered her breath stank. Then switched to MISH, where again, no DFK. Finished in K9, grabbing that tight ass of hers.

We talked for quite a bit, using google translator. It was nice to try and learn a bit of portuguese from her. After about 20-30 minutes, I started to suck her nipples again and she gave me a HJ. She applied another Sagami and we went directly to K9. K9 was where it really felt like I didn't have a cover on due to her tightness and the thinness of Sagami. Just as I was picking up my pace, the phone rang. It took a good 10 minutes or so, but I was able to get my 2nd shot. I didn't get her Zapp because no DFK and BBBJ. As I entered the lobby, this guy in a wheelchair pointed at me and said something. I guess another guy was waiting for Eva. He had actually walked in as Eva was introducing herself earlier on. I'm glad I picked her right away. The other guy seemed to feel like Eva was worth waiting a whole hour for. It looked like a good mix of Asians and Brazilians in the lobby. But the Asians are probably Brazilian. I thought it was pretty cool that Asians are accepted as Brazilians, unlike the US. Paid the 240 REAL and waited in the lobby a bit.

That's when Nyla walked in. A beautiful negra. I don't know if I'd session with her, as I prefer brancas. But if any of you are into negras, I would recommend her. She looked very pretty. I wanted to wait to see who else they had, but nobody was coming out for a while. Didn't want to look too creepy, so walked out after a while.

Prime is so far my favorite in my limited scope thusfar. It's been super budget friendly, too. 480 REAL for 2 days of sessions so far. I'll probably venture out tomorrow after I get internet on my phone.

[B]Food[/B]

Wanted some more steak and tried out Terra Fruta in the area. Great reviews on google and tripadvisor. Finally got to try the Caipirinha with Tangerine and Strawberry. It was ok, not sure why it's such a big deal. I was super hungry by now (hadn't eaten anything all day). So I ordered the Bolinho de Bacalhau and the File Mignon Mostarda. Stuffed myself for $130 REAL. It was much better than the Zillis I had yesterday. But steaks here don't seem very thick.

[B]Responses[/B]

I didn't care to get a new Schwab account as I don't travel much yet. I plan on traveling much more starting the end of this year or early next year so I'll definitely open one before then. For those without a Schwab account, I recommend exchanging currency close to home before your trip to Brazil.

The phone plan I got was $2 (activation) and $10 for data + minutes. I don't know how much data / minutes. Communication was very difficult, even with google translate. It is definitely a cheap option if I can get it to work. I tried T-Mobile for a brief time a couple years ago, but they didn't have very good coverage many places (close by work, home, golf courses), so I've been with Verizon for many years.

Staying in Bourbon has been a huge blessing. Being able to walk around everywhere even though my phone's internet's not working has made the biggest difference. Thank you for suggesting this hotel!

The open area of Scandallo is as mentioned, the restaurant and outdoor patio only, and everything is packed in there. Maybe 50-70 girls. They are in sexy evening dresses but most maybe 75% had fake tits, which is not my preference. This trip is my first time to SP so I have nothing to compare to. There were a few stunners but no one who I consider a natural supermodel. The top girls in Prime were comparable to the girls in Scandallo. That's why I liked prime and spent most of my time there. I ended up being a regular and popped in 2-3 times a day to check who was in. My Airbnb was only 3 blocks away.

Food.

There is really good sushi in moema. Try Toro, it's a block away from Prime. Burgers are big in SP. The most popular one is O'Burger which always have a long line outside, never got to try. For Brazilian steaks, there is Fogo de Chao is a classic. If you have been to one before, this one is the same. I was just there with two fun girls on my last meal before flying out tonight. Also a few good Turkish / Arab places.

Prime.

Today was a bad Sunday lineup at prime. Only 6 girls. Eva is there only there on Sundays. I sessioned with her probably right before you did. I also used a Sagami 001 with her and she said she never saw one before. Was she surprised when you pull one one? Hahahaha. I never got the numbers of Clinica girls. It so cheap to begin with and so many options. I only repeated with two girls during my week. If want you save money, you can post session reviews on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] and instead of 240 reals, you get a discount to 170 reals. I never bothered. Also doubles are only 290 reals for one-hour, which is only $10 USD more than the single price!

Phone WiFi.

You got to a functional one to get around from Uber, scanning QR at restaurants, and google translate. You can download a offline map in google maps. I have T mobile one plus which includes international roaming at a slower speed. Sometimes it takes to load but it has worked in many countries. You can even pay for a high speed day pass for like $5 per day.

Have fun this week.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2566538]Go to Rio for the termas and an FKK-like experience.[/QUOTE]I did visit the Rio thermas maybe two years ago when on a work trip. Honestly I was not impressed. It may be my particular preferences which is for white spinners, less fake T & As, and the thermas were lacking. I found the girls in SP more my taste.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2566511]I have been a FKK fan for last 6 years. I thought it was amazing system where you can session with girls, relax in the sauna, eat or sleep for the entire day. I have missed it for the last 18 months. SP is competing for the title. One thing still going for FKK is that is that the girls are naked or near naked. You can really pick your body type. Almost all FKK speak English which is a big play. In SP, the girls are dressed and they can really hid flaws. The service and price of SP clinicas is on top though. For 30 to 50 US $ you can have one full hour of GFE sex with CIM and anal included. If you want to party at night, you can go to the boates but it's more expensive. In SP, got to learn Portuguese to speak with the girls, google translate isn't the same.[/QUOTE]Agreed with you. At fkks, it's impossible to make any mistakes on the girls' physical parts because they are totally naked. In Sao Paulo, I made quite a few mistakes both at clinicas and boates. Now, I roam my hands as much as I can to check out the physique before I commit to going to room. If you make a mistake, it is only R240 at clinicas. At Scadallo, it would be a R730 mistake (R500 for the girl, R230 for the room).

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566626][B]Still phone issues[/B]

Went to the mall again to Vivo on the 3rd floor of Ibirapuera. Lady that helped me yesterday said that I should come back tomorrow. It was close to 8 pm yesterday when she "reset" my account and said it would take up to 24 hours for the reset to take effect. Their store closes at 8 PM on Sundays. Fortunately, there were plenty of clinica options within walking distance, so it wasn't too big of a deal. Lots of places closed on Sunday, so I don't feel like I'm missing out too much.

I swear, if they can't figure it out by tomorrow, I'll probably try my luck elsewhere and switch providers.

[B]Clinicas[/B]

For the newbs: You're waiting with several other mongers in a lobby where the receptionist desk is. Doesn't seem like anybody finds it awkward, and it's funny to see some of them seem well acquainted with one another.

Visited Carinas first this time, since they were busy last night. Turns out they're closed today (Sunday). Walked over to Clinica Miruna. About 7 girls walked into the lobby to introduce themselves, one at a time. None of them piqued my interest. One was a 7, Clara. Others were about a 6. So headed over to Prime again. Mia from last night texted that she couldn't make it to the shop today. Actually made me want to visit the shop more. Girls came out one by one again. First Pauli (8), she was very pretty, about 5'5". She was snatched up immediately. Next was Eva (8). She looked to be very young, pretty, and tight. So I decided to session with her.

Eva, I learned later, was 20 years old. I asked her before the session started if she's ok with French Kiss and she said yes. But as the session progressed, she didn't allow for french kissing. Just some pecks on the lips, then she'd turn her head. It might've been for the better as her breath stank. I also noticed that she brought 2 condoms, so I figured MSOG is available. She starts with a good amount of fondling the johnson with her hand. I started to suck on her tits. She's got a pretty small set of breasts and eraser sized nipples. Her breasts were much firmer than Mia's. Eva was pretty responsive when I sucked her nipples and I started to get hard. She applied the cover I brought (Sagami. 01) and started the BJ. So no BBBJ here. I asked her for it, but she pointed to her mouth, said something, and I said fine. I don't know if she was saying she's got an infection in her mouth or she doesn't want one. After a few minutes, she got on top for CG (she's very tight). I started pounding from under and she was really vocal. This is when I discovered her breath stank. Then switched to MISH, where again, no DFK. Finished in K9, grabbing that tight ass of hers.

We talked for quite a bit, using google translator. It was nice to try and learn a bit of portuguese from her. After about 20-30 minutes, I started to suck her nipples again and she gave me a HJ. She applied another Sagami and we went directly to K9. K9 was where it really felt like I didn't have a cover on due to her tightness and the thinness of Sagami. Just as I was picking up my pace, the phone rang. It took a good 10 minutes or so, but I was able to get my 2nd shot. I didn't get her Zapp because no DFK and BBBJ. As I entered the lobby, this guy in a wheelchair pointed at me and said something. I guess another guy was waiting for Eva. He had actually walked in as Eva was introducing herself earlier on. I'm glad I picked her right away. The other guy seemed to feel like Eva was worth waiting a whole hour for. It looked like a good mix of Asians and Brazilians in the lobby. But the Asians are probably Brazilian. I thought it was pretty cool that Asians are accepted as Brazilians, unlike the US. Paid the 240 REAL and waited in the lobby a bit.

That's when Nyla walked in. A beautiful negra. I don't know if I'd session with her, as I prefer brancas. But if any of you are into negras, I would recommend her. She looked very pretty. I wanted to wait to see who else they had, but nobody was coming out for a while. Didn't want to look too creepy, so walked out after a while.

Prime is so far my favorite in my limited scope thusfar. It's been super budget friendly, too. 480 REAL for 2 days of sessions so far. I'll probably venture out tomorrow after I get internet on my phone.

[B]Food[/B]

Wanted some more steak and tried out Terra Fruta in the area. Great reviews on google and tripadvisor. Finally got to try the Caipirinha with Tangerine and Strawberry. It was ok, not sure why it's such a big deal. I was super hungry by now (hadn't eaten anything all day). So I ordered the Bolinho de Bacalhau and the File Mignon Mostarda. Stuffed myself for $130 REAL. It was much better than the Zillis I had yesterday. But steaks here don't seem very thick.

[B]Responses[/B]

I didn't care to get a new Schwab account as I don't travel much yet. I plan on traveling much more starting the end of this year or early next year so I'll definitely open one before then. For those without a Schwab account, I recommend exchanging currency close to home before your trip to Brazil.

The phone plan I got was $2 (activation) and $10 for data + minutes. I don't know how much data / minutes. Communication was very difficult, even with google translate. It is definitely a cheap option if I can get it to work. I tried T-Mobile for a brief time a couple years ago, but they didn't have very good coverage many places (close by work, home, golf courses), so I've been with Verizon for many years.

Staying in Bourbon has been a huge blessing. Being able to walk around everywhere even though my phone's internet's not working has made the biggest difference. Thank you for suggesting this hotel![/QUOTE]Hehe, tomorrow Monday if you go to Scandallo, it won't be budget friendly no more. On my first day at Scandallo, I did 4 sessions, at around R800 each including room. Be careful with the room charge, though. At Scandallo, if you go over 1 hours, the room rate goes up. I never get out with R230. The reception always nailed me for $280 or $300 for the room or so because the chics took forever to shower after the sessions. Watch out the girls drinks as well. The girls will keep asking you for drinks, and if you are a gentleman, you will end up with a substantial bill when you check out.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2566596]I agree with everything you said. When girls are clothed there is potential for surprises.[/QUOTE]You can say that again. Recently I picked this 'beauty' whose mid section magically doubled in size once the clothes came off.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2566683]Hehe, tomorrow Monday if you go to Scandallo, it won't be budget friendly no more. On my first day at Scandallo, I did 4 sessions, at around R800 each including room. Be careful with the room charge, though. At Scandallo, if you go over 1 hours, the room rate goes up. I never get out with R230. The reception always nailed me for $280 or $300 for the room or so because the chics took forever to shower after the sessions. Watch out the girls drinks as well. The girls will keep asking you for drinks, and if you are a gentleman, you will end up with a substantial bill when you check out.[/QUOTE]Holy crap man! 3200 REAL in one night? That sounds amazing, but I don't think I even have the drive for that. Probably 2 at the most. But even then, I'd assume I'd have another visit to a clinica before I go to Scandallo. More than anything, I just want to enjoy the ambience. But it doesn't sound very enjoyable right now with their restrictions. I'll let you know. =).
One thing I'm starting to think is that I don't enjoy the session as much when I can't communicate. Now I understand how the mongers feel in CA when they're banging the Korean chicks. I didn't have this thought when I was in Thailand, but they speak way more English than Brazilians seem to. I've yet to meet any garota that speaks any English. But I've only sessioned twice so far, so that can change, right? Not expecting, but hoping.
I could imagine learning Brazil if I had the time. Spanish and Portuguese have so much in common.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566735]Holy crap man! 3200 REAL in one night? That sounds amazing, but I don't think I even have the drive for that. Probably 2 at the most. But even then, I'd assume I'd have another visit to a clinica before I go to Scandallo. More than anything, I just want to enjoy the ambience. But it doesn't sound very enjoyable right now with their restrictions. I'll let you know. =).
One thing I'm starting to think is that I don't enjoy the session as much when I can't communicate. Now I understand how the mongers feel in CA when they're banging the Korean chicks. I didn't have this thought when I was in Thailand, but they speak way more English than Brazilians seem to. I've yet to meet any garota that speaks any English. But I've only sessioned twice so far, so that can change, right? Not expecting, but hoping.
I could imagine learning Brazil if I had the time. Spanish and Portuguese have so much in common.[/QUOTE]Not too many of the girls speak English. I've found some occasionally at Abbabora and Brooklin. And last week I had a session with Marina, a slim blond at Prime. She spoke English pretty well. But having some knowledge of Portuguese is helpful.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566626][B]Still phone issues[/B]I thought it was pretty cool that Asians are accepted as Brazilians, unlike the US.
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But steaks here don't seem very thick.
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For those without a Schwab account, I recommend exchanging currency close to home before your trip to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Yep, we don't accept Asians as Brazilians in the USA.

I like Brazilian steak very much, but I don't remember those thick cuts that you see in an American steakhouse.

I'm fairly sure you won't get a great rate for Brazilian Reais at a North American or European bank. It might be better than the airport, but that is about it.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566735]
One thing I'm starting to think is that I don't enjoy the session as much when I can't communicate. Now I understand how the mongers feel in CA when they're banging the Korean chicks. I didn't have this thought when I was in Thailand, but they speak way more English than Brazilians seem to. I've yet to meet any garota that speaks any English. But I've only sessioned twice so far, so that can change, right? Not expecting, but hoping.
I could imagine learning Brazil if I had the time. Spanish and Portuguese have so much in common.[/QUOTE]I saw many sharky types just looking for foreigners who can't speak Portuguese, so just be careful. If you don't like anyone just go to connection and check it out (I don't know how it is on Monday). In connection you could sit in the restaurant and have convo using app at without being pressured to order food and drinks like in Scandallo.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2566838]I saw many sharky types just looking for foreigners who can't speak Portuguese, so just be careful. If you don't like anyone just go to connection and check it out (I don't know how it is on Monday). In connection you could sit in the restaurant and have convo using app at without being pressured to order food and drinks like in Scandallo.[/QUOTE]Nobody has ever pressured me to order food or buy drinks at Scandallo. Not ever.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2566826]I like Brazilian steak very much, but I don't remember those thick cuts that you see in an American steakhouse.[/QUOTE]For the best steaks in the Americas, you need to go to the United States, Argentina, or Uruguay.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2566790]Not too many of the girls speak English. I've found some occasionally at Abbabora and Brooklin. And last week I had a session with Marina, a slim blond at Prime. She spoke English pretty well. [/QUOTE]Marina, it is a small world, what a tight, gymnastically limber body that one has. I loved the way her tits are placed on her chest, her flat stomach / thin legs, and that vagina. WoW! But of course she wants to have silly cones. I practically begged her not to and even I told her they would ruin her look.

She loves everything California which is why she speaks some English. I went upstairs with her on two separate occasions. She was not my favorite Prime girl or even 2nd favorite, but she was still notable and repeat worthy. I liked her.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566352]Hotel check-in was pretty smooth. Although she forgot to give me my wifi password. If you're booking in Bourbon hotel, the username and password are the hotel room and firstname+lastname (lowercase). [/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Can you check the internet speed?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566626]I asked her before the session started if she's ok with French Kiss and she said yes. But as the session progressed, she didn't allow for french kissing. [/QUOTE]

Does anyone know what will happen if I refuse service at this point and go get another girl?


[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566626] It looked like a good mix of Asians and Brazilians in the lobby. But the Asians are probably Brazilian. [/QUOTE]
There are more than 1 million Japanese-Brazilians living in Sao Paulo. There is a Japan town in Liberdade.

I think all US providers have some kind of short term international plan, you can check your provider's plan so you can use it in the future while you are trying to get local sim to work.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2566844]Nobody has ever pressured me to order food or buy drinks at Scandallo. Not ever.[/QUOTE]That might have been the case pre-pandemic but now they ask you to order if you sit in mostly empty restaurant. That maybe the reason why during my recent visit the huge restaurant remained empty even though the smoking area and small bar areas were packed.

[QUOTE=Samariding;2566678]I did visit the Rio thermas maybe two years ago when on a work trip. Honestly I was not impressed. It may be my particular preferences which is for white spinners, less fake T & As, and the thermas were lacking. I found the girls in SP more my taste.[/QUOTE]But that's also my preference. Well brancas that is anyway. And as can be seen in my many, many Rio pics over the years, it's almost all brancas found in the termas all over Rio. That all can't be attributed to pure luck, but I know timing can be everything in this hobby. I mean, the last time I was in Rio was two years ago as well (time flies) and things certainly weren't like they had been. For example, at both Centaurus and Solarium where I used to find lots of those white girls. But, this pandemic has changed everything up again. When it's over, I think that the pickings in both Rio and Sao Paulo are going to be better than ever. Including for finding the brancas we both like! More girls are going to need to sell tits and ass to make ends meet, and that will bring every type out again. Including the brancas. Wait, watch, and see.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2566826]Yep, we don't accept Asians as Brazilians in the USA.

I like Brazilian steak very much, but I don't remember those thick cuts that you see in an American steakhouse.

I'm fairly sure you won't get a great rate for Brazilian Reais at a North American or European bank. It might be better than the airport, but that is about it.[/QUOTE]The exchange I recommend before the trip is only for emergency funds. Of course, optimal situation is if you have a schwab account. For me, I don't think there's a be&M schwab branch close where I live. Sometimes, I need to go meet in person for some transactions (e. G. Withdrawing more than the ATM limit). The airport exchange felt like highway robbery (loss of 25% Another ISG member recommended Corrientes 348 in Vila Olimpia, so I'll try that in the next few days. For now, I'm over steak. LOL.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2566838]I saw many sharky types just looking for foreigners who can't speak Portuguese, so just be careful. If you don't like anyone just go to connection and check it out (I don't know how it is on Monday). In connection you could sit in the restaurant and have convo using app at without being pressured to order food and drinks like in Scandallo.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll try and keep my eyes open.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2566889]Thanks for the report. Can you check the internet speed?
There are more than 1 million Japanese-Brazilians living in Sao Paulo. There is a Japan town in Liberdade.

I think all US providers have some kind of short term international plan, you can check your provider's plan so you can use it in the future while you are trying to get local sim to work.[/QUOTE]My provider is Verizon and their international plan is $10 per day. [URL]https://www.verizon.com/solutions-and-services/international-travel/.[/URL] My phone's working today. It's been quite a headache, but the cost is only $12 for 5 GB and unlimited minutes and text. It was frustrating not to have internet for the first couple days, but everything's ok now. =).

The internet speed at my hotel seems to vary between 15 Mbs and 35 Mbs download, 10-20 Mbs upload. I haven't had issues, but I'm not working here, either.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566856]Marina, it is a small world, what a tight, gymnastically limber body that one has. I loved the way her tits are placed on her chest, her flat stomach / thin legs, and that vagina. WoW! But of course she wants to have silly cones. I practically begged her not to and even I told her they would ruin her look.

She loves everything California which is why she speaks some English. I went upstairs with her on two separate occasions. She was not my favorite Prime girl or even 2nd favorite, but she was still notable and repeat worthy. I liked her.[/QUOTE]I also sessioned with Marina last week and she had a amazing body. But I don't remember our session that well besides it was good. That's how good are the Prime girls, Marina isn't even on my wow list of the sessions I remember the most.

Don't been so sure that the Asians in prime are mostly Brazilian. On my first Sunday, I was there at 1 pm and there were me and three other Asian guys from good ole USA. We were the only customers for a while. In Brazil, Sundays are for God, family and friends.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2566826]Yep, we don't accept Asians as Brazilians in the USA.

I like Brazilian steak very much, but I don't remember those thick cuts that you see in an American steakhouse.

I'm fairly sure you won't get a great rate for Brazilian Reais at a North American or European bank. It might be better than the airport, but that is about it.[/QUOTE]The predominant steak houses in Brasil are Churrasqueiras, Brazilian love them because of good quality, fast service and good value, but you do not get those typical cuts in those places. However, next time in São Paulo, try going to Rubaiyat in Faria Lima, Pobre Juan or Corrientes 348 (both located in Miguel Calfat, opposite extreme) you will find the thick cut type steaks on those restaurants. There are other steak houses that offer those cuts as well in Jardins and Itaim Bibi.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566928]The exchange I recommend before the trip is only for emergency funds. Of course, optimal situation is if you have a schwab account. For me, I don't think there's a be&M schwab branch close where I live. Sometimes, I need to go meet in person for some transactions (e. G. Withdrawing more than the ATM limit). The airport exchange felt like highway robbery (loss of 25% Another ISG member recommended Corrientes 348 in Vila Olimpia, so I'll try that in the next few days. For now, I'm over steak. LOL.[/QUOTE]I understand your concern about emergency funds, but I don't want newbies to Brazil to get the wrong idea. If you are going to Brazil, the airport is not the best place to get a SIM card or exchange currency but these are not really big issues. I usually pay up for a ride at the airport that takes credit card or most likely I or a friend have a driver who will pick me up for XX dollars.

Once you are settled in at the hotel you don't really need Brazilian currency or a SIM card immediately. Plenty of restaurants and cafes take credit card. In a pinch, you can rely on your hotel to give you a better exchange rate than the airport or your local bank.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566856]She was not my favorite Prime girl or even 2nd favorite, but she was still notable and repeat worthy. I liked her.[/QUOTE]Who were your favorites?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566928]
The internet speed at my hotel seems to vary between 15 Mbs and 35 Mbs download, 10-20 Mbs upload. I haven't had issues, but I'm not working here, either.[/QUOTE]I have never used bourbon hotel WiFi so I have ho idea how fast their service is. Are the speeds you have listed from hotel WiFi or from your mobile service provider by local SIM?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566856]Marina, it is a small world, what a tight, gymnastically limber body that one has. I loved the way her tits are placed on her chest, her flat stomach / thin legs, and that vagina. WoW! But of course she wants to have silly cones. I practically begged her not to and even I told her they would ruin her look.

She loves everything California which is why she speaks some English. I went upstairs with her on two separate occasions. She was not my favorite Prime girl or even 2nd favorite, but she was still notable and repeat worthy. I liked her.[/QUOTE]Your description of Marina is excellent. She is in very good shape. I enjoyed her a lot. She was the first and only girl I've had at Prime but I'm expecting to spend a lot more time there over the next few days. I'll try the others. But I do recommend her. Not the best but very attentive and fun to be with.

Regarding the discussion on steaks, I suggested Barbaro in Vila Olympia. Another good place for Argentine and Uruguay cuts is Fogo Steakhouse (not Fogo de Chao) with a branch in Morumbi. Excellent place.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566966]Who were your favorites?[/QUOTE]My favorite was a girl next door type by the name of Angelica. She was amazing. I went back to Prime many times and asked specifically about her twice, but I never saw her in the line up again. She looked good and wholesome, Ha Ha, and no way was she a stunner, but she had the ability and wherewithal to give 110% of herself in a session. She was amazing.

As for other attractive Prime girls, I never had a bad or ho hum session there, so in October I will be ready and willing to go upstairs with any girl in the lineup that I fancy and repeat with any girl I already had. This is why I think Prime is a great massage parlor! In addition to Angelica (1 x) and Marina (2 x), I had memorable good sessions with Kari (1 x) & Agatha (2 x).

P.S. I am looking forward to reading your report on the Boates. They are the one venue I sorely missed due to the code red lockdown when I was in SP.

NB.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2566735]...Now I understand how the mongers feel in CA when they're banging the Korean chicks. I didn't have this thought when I was in Thailand, but they speak way more English than Brazilians seem to...[/QUOTE]I am from CA and my mongering diet locally has been mostly Korean WGs, with a few Chinese WGs sprinkled in. This started back in 2008, so I decided to pick up some hanguk. I can carry basic convo with my limited "baby" Korean, but honestly I have done fairly well when we could not converse. The sessions are typically one hour long. Oftentimes there is no need to talk, and the hour goes by quickly. I am used to it by now.

Skip to "Connections" section for FR. The clinicas section has info, but I didn't session there today. Apologies in advance for making it so long. If you feel like it's too long, feel free to drop me some ideas on what I should skip. No offense taken!

[B]Phone is Working![/B]

I was really excited this morning when I found out my phone's internet was working. I found out how to check the balance and I have about 4. 5 GB still left. Should be plenty. So the cost is $12 for 1 month, unlimited minutes and text, 5 GB data. It's very cost effective, if you can handle the hurdles of getting it to work initially.

[B]Food[/B]

I wanted to go somewhere far now that I could finally take Uber. I've been using this site to look for good eats: [URL]https://www.eater.com/maps/best-sao-paulo-restaurants.[/URL] And went to La Guapa. It's completely overrated, or I might've had too high of expectations. The Uber there cost about $20 REAL. Lunch combo (1 empanada, 2 oz mocaccino, and chocolate ice cream) cost $23 REAL. It was good, but not worth going out of the way for. It was a really light lunch and I wasn't full, but 10 minutes after finishing my meal, I was no longer hungry. I think this is how I should be eating. LOL.

I was craving pizza for dinner, but couldn't find any decent ones open close by. Just started walking around and ended up at Bar Roma. Got their Bife stroganoff. It was ok. None of the meals so far have impressed me much. Toro, O'Burder (by Samariding), Corrientes 348 (Nordico), and Miss Saigon are on the top of my restaurants list. If anyone knows a good pizza place close by, please let me know!

[B]Clinicas[/B]

I was in the Jardin area after lunch so decided to check out a few clinicas and apartments. I have to say, this was more of a learning experience than anything else. Up til this point, I've only visited the clinicas near my hotel (Bourbon Convention).

First, I went to Casa 1 (Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674, casa 1). I was there a little after 3 pm, but they only had 1 girl working: Julia. She was ok (7), and MMS said her service is really good, but I wasn't feeling it. MMS says more girls will be here in about an HR. So I start walking around and it starts raining hard. I got drenched in a few minutes and finally succumbed to buying a $3 umbrella. I don't mind too much. It was a minor discomfort and viewed it as a small adventure. =).

I start wandering based off the list that World Travel 69 [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&ll=-23.5712019462112%2C-46.65791632429512&z=17&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU[/URL] compiled. I walk around to Top Massagem Jardins, Corpus Terapia Massagem, and MASSAGEM MIX. All of them seem to be apartments. Initially, I was confused (only been to clinicas). I walk into the apartment and ask the front desk, "Is there massage here? Hahaha. The guy responds "No". I walk out embarrassed.

I look at the website listed in WT69's list ([URL]http://www.massagemmix.com.br/[/URL]) and it has a number to Zapp. They tell me to check in at the front desk and gives me the "shop's" room number. This was around 4 PM. When I get upstairs she tells me I need to book an appointment and that they're busy until 6 PM. So I reply that I'll be back next time. There was a very pretty garota getting onto the elevator as I was leaving. I should've asked for her name, but I'm still not confident in speaking to the chicks yet.

I make my way back to Casa 1 again. 2 other garotas have arrived, but 2 are already working. Only 1 other girl left, I think she said her name is Brazil? She had big tats on her left leg, and I found her to be less attractive than Julia. So I Ubered back to Prime. Marina caught my attention. Fellow ISG told me she doesn't kiss. Natty seems to have enjoyed her a lot. They were busy anyways, no room until 6 PM. So I walked over to Carinas again. Same as before, they showed me pics on a tablet, and nobody really interested me.

Back to the hotel to rest a bit. After dinner at Bar Roma, I decided to check out Connections.

[B]Connections[/B]

Total Damage: are $970.

RT Uber ride: are $80, are $50 entrance, 200 drinks (my whiskey 90, her Rum 70, my beer 40), 140 for room, 500 for 1 HR with Beatrice. I was kind of surprised that ladies drinks don't cost more than the regular drinks. I guess they don't make commission off drinks like they do in Thailand and Tijuana?

Beatrice was a stunner. I think she's a 9. But service was about a 7. She has contacts, which makes her eyes look like teal / brown. (Obnoxiously) HUGE bolt ONS, decently big ass, and a beautiful face.

I noticed Beatrice the moment I walked in. But I didn't want to jump into things, so ordered a whiskey. Baby sipped the whiskey and looked around. Everytime I looked over, we made eye contact and she knew I was into her. After a good 10 minutes, she walked over and we started to talk (via Google Translate) and I ordered her a drink. She was amazing and I fell for her pretty hard and we were making out a lot. I asked how much to take her upstairs, and she said 1000. I giggled and told her that's way too much. She said 800, and I said still too much. I told her my limit's 500 and she said ok. From previous reports, 500 seems to be a decent rate for the top choices. She calls me a cat, not sure if that has the same context as in Asia (I. E. Cunning fox?

We go to the elevator which takes us down. Then swap elevators to go up to where the rooms are. Receptionist asks me if I want to pay Beatrice via credit card. It has a 6. 5% surcharge, so I tell her I'll pay cash. She's given 2 condoms, so I take that as 2 pops are allowed. Once we get to the room, we start making out. She says she's already washed, so I clean myself with a quick shower while she turns on some music and starts dancing. I come out of the shower and we start making out again. She has a really nice soft, sensual kiss. She's very careful with BBBJ. She took a very careful look at my dick and smelled it to make sure I didn't have any STI. Her BBBJ wasn't all that great, but it got the job done. She applied the cover and got on top for CG. Switched to MISH and DFK. And finished in K9 while putting a thumb up her ass.

A few minutes after round 1, she said lets go downstairs. But I told her it's only been 30 minutes. She said ok, but that kind of killed the mood for me. I tried to go for round 2, but it wasn't happening. She said she could speak greek for some more REAL, but I didn't care too much for it. If it comes with the service, I'm game. But I enjoy pussy enough that I don't care for paying extra for the back door.

We leave, I pay for the room, and we head over to the main area again. She says she needs to go to the bathroom, which means she's done with me. I get another beer to soak in the atmosphere before I leave for the night. I notice another hot garota. We keep making eye contact, but I was already spent for the night. She gets pulled into a table with 8 guys and many other girls. Finally, she leaves them, I approach her and she says her name is Vanessa. I might check her out next time I visit.

All in all, I'm glad I went to Connections. Beatrice was much hotter than any of the other garotas I've seen so far. I was a little disappointed the session wasn't as GFE as I'd expected. Total damage was almost are $1000. An HR at a clinica sets me back about are $240. I'll probably try out Connections / Scandallo one more time before I leave. I really enjoyed the seduction before the session. And I was in love for the hour I was with her. But it's not something I'd make a habit of doing.

Another thing, most of these garotas seem to have LOTS of tats all over. I don't particularly find it appealing, but I know some mongers find it outright unattractive.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2566895]That might have been the case pre-pandemic but now they ask you to order if you sit in mostly empty restaurant. That maybe the reason why during my recent visit the huge restaurant remained empty even though the smoking area and small bar areas were packed.[/QUOTE]I went to scandallo a few times in January right after their code red was lifted and no one really pressured me to buy anything. You get like 130 r consumable out of the 300 r entrance fee (I forget the exact numbers so I could be off) and a steak was like 110 r so I would always get something like that to eat at the restaurant area after I scouted the place and girls (all the local restaurants were closed by 9 pm so I made it my dinner for the night) I'm not a drinker so I would just get cokes for like 10 r. The waiters would often come by after a 30 mins or so and ask if I wanted another drink but I would just say I'm good. None of the girls asked for any drinks or food when I invited them to sit down with me. I offered them a drink or some appetizer since I got girls who were obviously not pros and were students looking for extra cash. I liked the restaurant area with it's high ceilings and low light ambient with jazz music playing in the background. It's kind of funny to look around and see the working girls relaxing and just eating food with their friends and socializing. The girls were always walking in and out to spot new guys so I would get a dinner with a sort of line up show!

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2566981]I have never used bourbon hotel WiFi so I have ho idea how fast their service is. Are the speeds you have listed from hotel WiFi or from your mobile service provider by local SIM?[/QUOTE]Speed I listed are from my hotel WiFi. My phone from Vivo provider seems to be about 30 Mbps down, 2 Mbps up.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567024]Skip to "Connections" section for FR. The clinicas section has info, but I didn't session there today. Apologies in advance for making it so long. If you feel like it's too long, feel free to drop me some ideas on what I should skip. No offense taken!

[B]Phone is Working![/B]

I was really excited this morning when I found out my phone's internet was working. I found out how to check the balance and I have about 4. 5 GB still left. Should be plenty. So the cost is $12 for 1 month, unlimited minutes and text, 5 GB data. It's very cost effective, if you can handle the hurdles of getting it to work initially.

[B]Connections[/B]

Total Damage: are $970.

RT Uber ride: are $80, are $50 entrance, 200 drinks (my whiskey 90, her Rum 70, my beer 40), 140 for room, 500 for 1 HR with Beatrice. I was kind of surprised that ladies drinks don't cost more than the regular drinks. I guess they don't make commission off drinks like they do in Thailand and Tijuana?

Beatrice was a stunner. I think she's a 9. But service was about a 7. She has contacts, which makes her eyes look like teal / brown. (Obnoxiously) HUGE bolt ONS, decently big ass, and a beautiful face.

I noticed Beatrice the moment I walked in. But I didn't want to jump into things, so ordered a whiskey. Baby sipped the whiskey and looked around. Everytime I looked over, we made eye contact and she knew I was into her. After a good 10 minutes, she walked over and we started to talk (via Google Translate) and I ordered her a drink. She was amazing and I fell for her pretty hard and we were making out a lot. I asked how much to take her upstairs, and she said 1000. I giggled and told her that's way too much. She said 800, and I said still too much. I told her my limit's 500 and she said ok. From previous reports, 500 seems to be a decent rate for the top choices. She calls me a cat, not sure if that has the same context as in Asia (I. E. Cunning fox?

All in all, I'm glad I went to Connections. Beatrice was much hotter than any of the other garotas I've seen so far. I was a little disappointed the session wasn't as GFE as I'd expected. Total damage was almost are $1000. An HR at a clinica sets me back about are $240. I'll probably try out Connections / Scandallo one more time before I leave. I really enjoyed the seduction before the session. And I was in love for the hour I was with her. But it's not something I'd make a habit of doing.

Another thing, most of these garotas seem to have LOTS of tats all over. I don't particularly find it appealing, but I know some mongers find it outright unattractive.[/QUOTE]I use tmobile and I have the ONE Plan with ONE Plus benefits. It connects to all the towers and uses the best one. I didn't have to do anything to get it working. It was fast to watch youtube videos, use uber and google maps / translate. I would suggest anyone to look into it because it's really simple and comes included. You have to use a Tmobile phone tho because when I used a unlocked phone it didn't work too well.

Connections sounds pretty good / I never went because scandallo was so good with it's relaxing ambience and connections sounds more like a night club / bar? It was also pretty far since I was in Republica. I will have to check it out. Also heard Cafe photo / Lotus was decent but never went. Haven't heard any reports lately from there, is it still open?

I am also on the boat of not liking tattoos too much. I think if it's done tastefully it can be ok but yea some girls go way to overboard or it's just a mess with some decent tats and then some ridiculous ones in weird places. One exception I had was with a girl from scandallo named Barbara who was japanese brazilian who was a pale petite girl with some colorful shoulder and chest tats. She had a punk rock look to her so I digged it. I like the more all natural look myself but some tasteful tatts can be nice depending on the girl / location / quality.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567024]Skip to "Connections" section for FR. The clinicas section has info, but I didn't session there today. Apologies in advance for making it so long. If you feel like it's too long, feel free to drop me some ideas on what I should skip. No offense taken!

[B]Phone is Working![/B]

I was really excited this morning when I found out my phone's internet was working. I found out how to check the balance and I have about 4. 5 GB still left. Should be plenty. So the cost is $12 for 1 month, unlimited minutes and text, 5 GB data. It's very cost effective, if you can handle the hurdles of getting it to work initially..[/QUOTE]You seem to not be having good luck with food. That's unfortunate. Keep trying. I suggested a couple of places earlier and for pizza maybe try Braz? It's nearby. I haven't been in a couple of years but the place was hopping and the pizza and chopp were always great. But there are so many great places for pizza. Also, there are some good restaurants in the basement level of Shopping Morumbi (the food court is very good but there are also sit down restaurants around the corner). Barbacoa is good. Also, upstairs in the mall is an argentine restaurant called Pobre Juan. It's very good as well. The mall should be 10 min or so from where you are by Uber.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567024][B]Food[/B]

None of the meals so far have impressed me much.[/QUOTE]The last time I was in Sampa, one of the best (and most expensive) meals I had was at Tony Roma's LOL! American-style ribs, steaks, and seafood. There's one in Moema (I don't know if it survived the pandemic shutdowns). I went with an attractive morena I had been fucking from the old Bomboa site. Afterwards, we went back to my hotel to spend the night. And believe it or not, the best meal that I had was at Scandallo's restaurant. Too bad it's closed. I went with an attractive redhead who I had fucked at the club. After having "relations", we went down and had dinner. She offered to spend the night with me back at my hotel, but I declined as I want to seek out a new pretty piece of ass. You know how a monger is!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567024]
[B]Food[/B]

I wanted to go somewhere far now that I could finally take Uber. I've been using this site to look for good eats: [URL]https://www.eater.com/maps/best-sao-paulo-restaurants.[/URL] And went to La Guapa. It's completely overrated, or I might've had too high of expectations. The Uber there cost about $20 REAL. Lunch combo (1 empanada, 2 oz mocaccino, and chocolate ice cream) cost $23 REAL. It was good, but not worth going out of the way for. It was a really light lunch and I wasn't full, but 10 minutes after finishing my meal, I was no longer hungry. I think this is how I should be eating. LOL.

I was craving pizza for dinner, but couldn't find any decent ones open close by. Just started walking around and ended up at Bar Roma. Got their Bife stroganoff. It was ok. None of the meals so far have impressed me much. Toro, O'Burder (by Samariding), Corrientes 348 (Nordico), and Miss Saigon are on the top of my restaurants list. If anyone knows a good pizza place close by, please let me know!

[/QUOTE]I am still surprised that you haven't hit a churrascaria yet. Take some time off from walking around looking for clinical and enjoy a nice long meal with various caipirinhas and meat.

I always hit up Margarita Pizza in Sao Paulo probably because it is walking distance from my hotel. It is really good pizza.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2567136]I am still surprised that you haven't hit a churrascaria yet. Take some time off from walking around looking for clinical and enjoy a nice long meal with various caipirinhas and meat.

I always hit up Margarita Pizza in Sao Paulo probably because it is walking distance from my hotel. It is really good pizza.[/QUOTE]The code red restrictions were lifted only on my last 3 nights in SP, so I am sure other BM's have many more recommendations than myself, but since you mentioned Margarita Pizza, I thought it apropos to add my two reals to the conversation. When the SP restaurants finally re-opened, I went to:

Rodeio SH. Rua Haddock Lobo, 1498, Jardins. This Michelin 1 star restaurant served the best steak that I had on my entire trip. It was not only very tasty, but it was so tender I could have cut it with a butter knife.

Fogo de Chão Jardins. Are. Augusta, 2077 – I liked this place too. Great food, but the meat is served Brazilian style, so you sample a lot of different cuts of beef instead of having one large steak. I prefer having one large cut of meat sitting in front of me. Ha Ha.

Margherita Pizzeria. Alameda Tietê, 255 – Jardins – great pizza – I went there with my favorite call girl of my trip on our last night together. What a great gal!

So, that is about it. 3 no restriction nights and I was able to sampled 3 restaurants. The closures drastically cut down on my usual eating patterns and culinary explorations on this trip and they had a much greater negative impact on my dining than the closures had on my mongering thanks to the call girls and SP Clincas.

Hi fellas, I am asking a lot of questions here and remembered I have an overdue report I owe. So Paulo, picked her from photoacompanhantes, Giovana Paes. I tell you why I went with her, despite her asking for quite a hefty sum BRL 400 without anal. It was the chemistry in the whatsapp conversation. There is a difference between the all business talk and the non-responsiveness of some vs. A certain sincerity and smile you hear in their message, the way they say things. Perhaps it's the friendliness of the mineiras (from MG). Anyway warm is good. So I went to the apartment on Marciano (there are a few apartment buildings in Bela Vista you hear come up over and over, one is Major Diogo, and the other is Marciano somethingorother. The Marciano building is simpler, as you have no door man, no ID check, just dial her apartment number on the interphone and she lets you in. There is no real lobby but she might make you wait, mine did, and it was cute, because she got herself ready for me after asking me (offering it) what I like her to wear. So I had her do the schoolgirl outfit and boots. Again I felt warmly welcomed the whole time. I went to the bathroom to wash and took a bit longer apparently. But she didn't discount this from my time. No clock watching. It help that Brazilian scene is more giving with time anyway, a 2 hour standard is common. She was quite sweet, we started relatively quickly because I wanted to play some deepthroat action, which she had first agreed to, but then said she wasn't sure she could do it. I went at it too fast for my own good, I could have played that part out for longer. But she was sweet and I wanted to do some face to face action too. Again, has I taken this a little slower from the start, I. E. , conversing more in the beginning and making out first, it would have been better. But she was warm the entire time. Touching her pussy was met with a bit of an ouchiness, dry, of course, again, all of that I could have done better with more emotional foreplay. I knew she was open for it after the deed was all done, and I got dressed and out, she actually jumped on me to give me a hug, we were making fun of her being so tiny and me being so tall (I love me a tiny girl). Soon after our meeting she went for a protracted time out, if she was back in business, I'd probably hit her up just to continue that connection that we made at the end of the first session, to make the second much better.

Anyway, she did a good job to finish me off and her specialty is CIM, which I think she has some sort of psychological thing because she really seems to likes that, swallowed it down todinha. Good girl!

One thing that distracted me was that her hair was fake. I love long hair and I know most have the extensions. In her case I learned she lost most of her natural hair in some incident in a hospital almost a year earlier. This was sad to hear and a bit of a downer. Health is hot, lack of health, whatever the reason, psychological or somatic, is a bit of a downer.

The PSE wasn't all that, and anyway her porn videos aren't really that professional hard core. The thing with her hair was a downer, didn't feel like pulling was an option nor really messing with it, I wish I had caught her earlier, the way she looked then.

But now that I wanted to share a link with you I noticed she actually might have returned to a more active status. So, when I'm back in the area I might hit her up just to continue that little thing we had going for a minute there.

Brazil calling: [URL]https://twitter.com/GiPaes2/status/1402167765692256259[/URL].

This is her debut: [URL]https://www.xvideos.com/video55790503/a_bucetuda_giovanna_paes_liberou_o_cuzinho_pro_vinny_burgos_sem_frescura_[/URL].

PS: waiting in the Marciano building and on my way out I saw a lot of girls on their way in or out, so this is a busy center of action.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2567101]The last time I was in Sampa, one of the best (and most expensive) meals I had was at Tony Roma's LOL! American-style ribs, steaks, and seafood. There's one in Moema (I don't know if it survived the pandemic shutdowns). [/QUOTE]Sadly, they were a victim of the Rona and recently announced they'd be permanently closed. I rented a luxury loft in Largo the Batata to sit out the quarantine and self isolation. When I returned to my hood in Bela Vista I was shocked at the number of small businesses that had gone under. There are spots in Sao Paulo that have been irreparably devastated economically by the Rona.

Very sad!

Upside, you can find some seriously hot GdPs working for reduced rates!

I'm arriving in São Paulo in a few weeks late on a Saturday evening and staying for a few days. What are some good Sunday daytime options? Evening?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2567164]The code red restrictions were lifted only on my last 3 nights in SP, so I am sure other BM's have many more recommendations than myself, but since you mentioned Margarita Pizza, I thought it apropos to add my two reals to the conversation. When the SP restaurants finally re-opened, I went to:

Rodeio SH. Rua Haddock Lobo, 1498, Jardins. This Michelin 1 star restaurant served the best steak that I had on my entire trip. It was not only very tasty, but it was so tender I could have cut it with a butter knife.

Fogo de Cho Jardins. Are. Augusta, 2077 I liked this place too. Great food, but the meat is served Brazilian style, so you sample a lot of different cuts of beef instead of having one large steak. I prefer having one large cut of meat sitting in front of me. Ha Ha.

Margherita Pizzeria. Alameda Tiet, 255 Jardins great pizza I went there with my favorite call girl of my trip on our last night together. What a great gal!

So, that is about it. 3 no restriction nights and I was able to sampled 3 restaurants. The closures drastically cut down on my usual eating patterns and culinary explorations on this trip and they had a much greater negative impact on my dining than the closures had on my mongering thanks to the call girls and SP Clincas.[/QUOTE]I see we have similar tastes in food.

That Fogo do Chao is a must do for me. I get there late afternoon with the girl that I am with, drink lots of caipirinhas, eat lots of meat and then we go fuck afterwards. After some rest, we go out for a small bite to eat and drinks and then back to the room for more fucking.

I also try to get some good sushi while I am down there. Last time I tried Nakka Jardins and it was good. I also did Jun Sakamoto but that was pretty expensive being a Michelin one star.

Sinfully Korean — do take some time and hit up the Mercado Municipal for a pastel and maybe a mortadella if you like sandwiches.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2567268]I also try to get some good sushi while I am down there. Last time I tried Nakka Jardins and it was good. I also did Jun Sakamoto but that was pretty expensive being a Michelin one star.[/QUOTE]I love sushi! The thing is, the very first time I went to Brazil (Rio), I had some about halfway through a 10-day trip and got violently ill. I was afraid the rest of my maiden voyage to bundaland would be ruined, but my sickness only lasted a day. Since that time, I vowed never to have sushi in Brazil again, and I haven't. Maybe it's time to give it another try.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2567193]Sadly, they were a victim of the Rona and recently announced they'd be permanently closed. I rented a luxury loft in Largo the Batata to sit out the quarantine and self isolation. When I returned to my hood in Bela Vista I was shocked at the number of small businesses that had gone under. There are spots in Sao Paulo that have been irreparably devastated economically by the Rona.

Very sad!

Upside, you can find some seriously hot GdPs working for reduced rates![/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I'm also shocked at the number of businesses that have permanently closed in my metro area. Some of them had been around for decades. There will be new business replacements and a recovery, but it will take time. In the meantime, as you say. There is some pussy to be had!

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2566683]Watch out the girls drinks as well. The girls will keep asking you for drinks, and if you are a gentleman, you will end up with a substantial bill when you check out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2566838]In connection you could sit in the restaurant and have convo using app at without being pressured to order food and drinks like in Scandallo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2566844]Nobody has ever pressured me to order food or buy drinks at Scandallo. Not ever.[/QUOTE]
Salaam Fellow Debauchers!

It's just a test. A girl might ask you to buy her something like a glass of water. Sounds harmless, but if you say yes it is a subcultural [I]signifie[/I] that you are new to the club and she should charge you twice the going rate for a session. It has nothing to do with being a gentleman or ungentleman, you just have to understand the system.

But if you look like a real rube she won't ask you for a water, she'll ask for one of those R70 fake rums. Profit right away.

If you are a billionaire and money means nothing to you, you should still say no. Why? Because if you go to a room you will be treated with contempt if you show a lack of appreciation for the cultural norms. Money means something to them so it should mean something to you too. Show you care.

By the way it's different if you decide to offer a girl a drink after talking to her for a while. As long as it's crystal clear that you're the one making the choice. But whenever a girl asks for a drink, it has to be an automatic no. That's just the way a boate is.

Is pretty much same as tony roma's.

Especially the blooming onion.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2567193]Sadly, they were a victim of the Rona and recently announced they'd be permanently closed. I rented a luxury loft in Largo the Batata to sit out the quarantine and self isolation. When I returned to my hood in Bela Vista I was shocked at the number of small businesses that had gone under. There are spots in Sao Paulo that have been irreparably devastated economically by the Rona.

Very sad!

Upside, you can find some seriously hot GdPs working for reduced rates![/QUOTE]

Had a quick session at Prime early this afternoon. I arrived around 13:30. There was a good line-up. Probably 10-12 girls.

I went with Alice (pronounced Alicee). She wasn't the hottest but I found her very cute and with a nice build. I wasn't disappointed. She is very cute and friendly. Nice and pleasant. Small natural breasts and just a couple of small tattoos. She is very responsive to the touch and kisses. Service level was very good. Her BJ skills were amazing. Overall I really liked her and would repeat.

I've been quite impressed with Prime's lineup. The best I've seen in the clinicas.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2567279]Salaam Fellow Debauchers!

It's just a test. A girl might ask you to buy her something like a glass of water. Sounds harmless, but if you say yes it is a subcultural [I]signifie[/I] that you are new to the club and she should charge you twice the going rate for a session. It has nothing to do with being a gentleman or ungentleman, you just have to understand the system.

But if you look like a real rube she won't ask you for a water, she'll ask for one of those R70 fake rums. Profit right away.

If you are a billionaire and money means nothing to you, you should still say no. Why? Because if you go to a room you will be treated with contempt if you show a lack of appreciation for the cultural norms. Money means something to them so it should mean something to you too. Show you care.

By the way it's different if you decide to offer a girl a drink after talking to her for a while. As long as it's crystal clear that you're the one making the choice. But whenever a girl asks for a drink, it has to be an automatic no. That's just the way a boate is.[/QUOTE]Saying no to a girl's drink requests is easier said than done. It is easy if you going to walk away from her, but what if you are interested in taking her to room? What do you say to manage the situation without offending the girl or putting a damper on the situation?

You grab her ass, and say, "eu vou no banheiro, vou volta mais tarde. Qual e seu numero" while sticking your smartphone in her face, open to a new contact, and while sticking the card to the closest love motel upon which you have scribbled your number, saying, "250 reais, sem camisinha, sim o nao".

Like a mother fucking boss.

Because you are the prize.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2567342]Saying no to a girl's drink requests is easier said than done. It is easy if you going to walk away from her, but what if you are interested in taking her to room? What do you say to manage the situation without offending the girl or putting a damper on the situation?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567024]
All in all, I'm glad I went to Connections. Beatrice was much hotter than any of the other garotas I've seen so far. I was a little disappointed the session wasn't as GFE as I'd expected. Total damage was almost are $1000. An HR at a clinica sets me back about are $240. I'll probably try out Connections / Scandallo one more time before I leave. I really enjoyed the seduction before the session. And I was in love for the hour I was with her. But it's not something I'd make a habit of doing.[/QUOTE]Very nice detailed report, SK. I can't believe she started with typical Scandallo price of 1 K. I guess she pretty much knew you were a lock and wanted get as much as she could. The connection girl I went with did talk about Scandallo so I expected a Scandallo level ask, but to my surprise she started with reasonable 600 BR which I negotiated down to 500 BR (I have decided not to bargain too much).

Value wise you can't beat Clinicas especially clinica Prime. I have visited Clinica Prime everyday I was in Moema and sessionsed.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567024]Skip to "Connections" section for FR. The clinicas section has info, but I didn't session there today. Apologies in advance for making it so long. If you feel like it's too long, feel free to drop me some ideas on what I should skip. No offense taken![/QUOTE]Good format and a nice read. Good commentary.

Thanks for all the great reports, gents.

They are definitely useful for a first-timer to Brazil like me. I stumbled across the forum and while I have posted on my local country's forum, I am not an active contributor here.

Having said that, you all seem pretty reasonable if someone actually reads the forum and doesn't ask "where can I get girls" LOL. So I have read about 90 pages of the forum which I believe has given me a great base from which to frame some of my questions.

1. Everyone agrees that 90-99% of PA girls are scams. The way you can ensure you get a non-scam is to find girls with multiple reviews with members that have a history of reviewing girls. My question is regarding the Verified but without reviews girls. Are the truly verified or are these girls also scamming?

2. Lots of discussion on taking out money from ATMs or exchanging at the airport. For the number of REALS we're changing it might make a difference. I can get a decent rate from my bank. For example, the USD to BRL rate today is 5.04 and I can get 4.9 all fees included.

My questions are.

1. Are you all getting the 5. 04 rate?

2. If I do decide to bring money from my home country 5000 USD, are there any concerns with currency controls?

3. Has anyone tried xoom to send themselves money? I did it in Colombia and it got me a great (near spot) rate.

CPF Tax Card: is this required or useful? Seems like the people who don't like being tracked say no and others say there is a convenience factor. Thoughts?

I guess the SIM Card is hit and miss. Hopefully there is a trend of reports of how to get a local Sim card so best practices can be shared.

I'm planning my trip for Aug so I've compiled my list of clinicas / boates to give back to the community.

[QUOTE=Indecentpro;2567498]Thanks for all the great reports, gents.

They are definitely useful for a first-timer to Brazil like me. I stumbled across the forum and while I have posted on my local country's forum, I am not an active contributor here.

Having said that, you all seem pretty reasonable if someone actually reads the forum and doesn't ask "where can I get girls" LOL. So I have read about 90 pages of the forum which I believe has given me a great base from which to frame some of my questions.

1. Everyone agrees that 90-99% of PA girls are scams. The way you can ensure you get a non-scam is to find girls with multiple reviews with members that have a history of reviewing girls. My question is regarding the Verified but without reviews girls. Are the truly verified or are these girls also scamming?

2. Lots of discussion on taking out money from ATMs or exchanging at the airport. For the number of REALS we're changing it might make a difference. I can get a decent rate from my bank. For example, the USD to BRL rate today is 5.04 and I can get 4.9 all fees included.

My questions are.

1. Are you all getting the 5. 04 rate?

2. If I do decide to bring money from my home country 5000 USD, are there any concerns with currency controls?

3. Has anyone tried xoom to send themselves money? I did it in Colombia and it got me a great (near spot) rate.

CPF Tax Card: is this required or useful? Seems like the people who don't like being tracked say no and others say there is a convenience factor. Thoughts?

I guess the SIM Card is hit and miss. Hopefully there is a trend of reports of how to get a local Sim card so best practices can be shared.

I'm planning my trip for Aug so I've compiled my list of clinicas / boates to give back to the community.[/QUOTE]On your first couple.

Verified doesn't mean squat on PA. If they don't have 5+ reviews on Gpguia or the like from qualified reviewers just move on. I set my filter to only return girls with reviews, then go look carefully at those with 5 or more.

If you are bringing $5 K then you have some coin. I do the Boates then. It's so much better to dance and flirt and kiss and drink before the sex. It's fun on the floor and plus you have chemistry before the room even starts. I LOVE Brasil for this part.

I just use the Bank ATMs in town once I get downtown. A few have a local withdrawal limit but you can go to a couple if you get stymied. If you have a $500 or $800 limit (I have both) then you don't really need to bring and exchange cash. Just use the ATM with two caveats:

1. They are only open during bank hours (u may get lucky but assume that).

2. Decline the "Get USD and we will convert it for you" option. Take the option to withdraw in Reals and you will get your banks exchange rate not the inflated ATM one. Read carefully because they try to confuse you!

I'm planning a trip to Sampa and Rio, tho I may go to Canada if it opens up soon and keep Brazil until the end of the year. I was reading and ran across warnings that you have to declare any currency more than 10,000 Reals at the border. Does anyone know if this is in effect and how onerous the declaration process is? I like to carry about $5 k US just in case I have ATM problems, which I did last time I was there (probably due to my bank's fuck up). I didn't even know about this at the time LOL, assuming that the currency control was the international $10 k US standard. I also read that most ATMs have a 1 k Reals limit per day? Due to above fuck up I didn't run into this. 1000 Reals isn't much. Any info is appreciated.

On my trip I changed 1 k USD at the currency exchange at Ibirapuera mall with no problem and got a better rate than I was quoted at the banks.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2567573]I'm planning a trip to Sampa and Rio, tho I may go to Canada if it opens up soon and keep Brazil until the end of the year. I was reading and ran across warnings that you have to declare any currency more than 10,000 Reals at the border. Does anyone know if this is in effect and how onerous the declaration process is? I like to carry about $5 k US just in case I have ATM problems, which I did last time I was there (probably due to my bank's fuck up). I didn't even know about this at the time LOL, assuming that the currency control was the international $10 k US standard. I also read that most ATMs have a 1 k Reals limit per day? Due to above fuck up I didn't run into this. 1000 Reals isn't much. Any info is appreciated.

On my trip I changed 1 k USD at the currency exchange at Ibirapuera mall with no problem and got a better rate than I was quoted at the banks.[/QUOTE]Please read the thread "Real vs Dollar and other currency issues". There is a lot of good info in there that will answer many questions.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2567342]Saying no to a girl's drink requests is easier said than done. It is easy if you going to walk away from her, but what if you are interested in taking her to room? What do you say to manage the situation without offending the girl or putting a damper on the situation?[/QUOTE]Salaam Lalabo, I walked away from a beautiful woman recently. Later she approached me again and begged for my number. Then she kept messaging me. I am as ugly as sin. No way would she have done that if I had bought her a fake rum. See, with women things often work the opposite of the way you would expect. Habibi Vagabunda knows the score.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2567573]I'm planning a trip to Sampa and Rio, tho I may go to Canada if it opens up soon and keep Brazil until the end of the year. I was reading and ran across warnings that you have to declare any currency more than 10,000 Reals at the border. Does anyone know if this is in effect and how onerous the declaration process is? I like to carry about $5 k US just in case I have ATM problems, which I did last time I was there (probably due to my bank's fuck up). I didn't even know about this at the time LOL, assuming that the currency control was the international $10 k US standard. I also read that most ATMs have a 1 k Reals limit per day? Due to above fuck up I didn't run into this. 1000 Reals isn't much. Any info is appreciated.

On my trip I changed 1 k USD at the currency exchange at Ibirapuera mall with no problem and got a better rate than I was quoted at the banks.[/QUOTE]I usually bring $5 k with me whenever I travel to Brazil. Never know when I will need cash to get out of a tight jam. I change when I get to Rio in Copa and usually change 1-2 k depending on the weekend deal with the girl. I then use the cash for all my expenses like Uber, restaurants and boates. I also don’t worry about leftover reais since I will be back again and use them up.

In my 20 yrs of traveling to Brazil, I have never been asked how much cash I was carrying at either the US or Brazil border.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2567573]I'm planning a trip to Sampa and Rio, tho I may go to Canada if it opens up soon and keep Brazil until the end of the year. I was reading and ran across warnings that you have to declare any currency more than 10,000 Reals at the border. Does anyone know if this is in effect and how onerous the declaration process is? I like to carry about $5 k US just in case I have ATM problems, which I did last time I was there (probably due to my bank's fuck up). I didn't even know about this at the time LOL, assuming that the currency control was the international $10 k US standard. I also read that most ATMs have a 1 k Reals limit per day? Due to above fuck up I didn't run into this. 1000 Reals isn't much. Any info is appreciated.

On my trip I changed 1 k USD at the currency exchange at Ibirapuera mall with no problem and got a better rate than I was quoted at the banks.[/QUOTE]After immigration at GRU you have to go through red channel at customs and declare if you bring in more than 10 k Reais or equivalent. They have computers, where you need to fill out a form and print it out before showing to customs officer. Pretty straightforward process. Did it a few times. Never actually had to count and show the money though. There are ATM allowing withdrawals up to 2500 BRL for example Bradesco.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2567608] In my 20 yrs of traveling to Brazil, I have never been asked how much cash I was carrying at either the US or Brazil border.[/QUOTE]And frankly, it's not hard to conceal $5 k. Still.

[URL]http://cglondres.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/bringing_money_into_brazil.xml[/URL]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567874]I probably won't be writing any more reports for the time being, unless there's something new to add. These reports are fuckin' exhausting. LOL. I've included some pics, but I think both Beatrice and Sasha look much better in person.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your "service" SK LOL! As somebody who has written more than a few lengthy field reports of my own, I know and appreciate just how much hard work goes into writing a good report. I'm looking forward to more from you. I'm a little confused by the pictures though. I mean, who is supposed to be whom? Did I miss something in your write-up? I like the blonde and the one in the black. Very nice!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567874]Snip. I've included some pics, but I think both Beatrice and Sasha look much better in person.[/QUOTE]Who is Maria? Is she the Connections girl? Very Nice! Congrats!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2567880]Thank you for your "service" SK LOL! As somebody who has written more than a few lengthy field reports of my own, I know and appreciate just how much hard work goes into writing a good report. I'm looking forward to more from you. I'm a little confused by the pictures though. I mean, who is supposed to be whom? Did I miss something in your write-up? I like the blonde and the one in the black. Very nice![/QUOTE]Haha, thanks. I like to be thorough and entertaining.

As for the pics, I thought the upload would include the name of the files, which are the names of the girls. On a computer, if you mouse over the pics, it shows the name of the files / girls.

But they are: Maria (brown hair, my fav), Beatrice (black hair), and Sasha (blonde Russian, best value).

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2567605]Salaam Lalabo, I walked away from a beautiful woman recently. Later she approached me again and begged for my number. Then she kept messaging me. I am as ugly as sin. No way would she have done that if I had bought her a fake rum. See, with women things often work the opposite of the way you would expect. Habibi Vagabunda knows the score.[/QUOTE]Thanks For sharing your wisdom. I will try and see if it works.

What is the currency outlook?

Lots of talk here about it, driven by the BRL dropping to new multi month lows against USD.

Any links to high quality financial news press appreciated.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2567555]Read carefully because they try to confuse you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567874]

[B]Connections[/B].

The next day, I ask her how much for her to come over. I won't post here because I know I'll get railed on by some of the pros about paying too much. It was more than I wanted to pay, but she's a legit 10 for me. If you really want to know the high price I paid, DM me. Someone you'd see out of a fashion magazine. I had to scratch the itch and had her come over to my hotel for 1 HR. Absolutely no issues getting her in, nobody in the lobby batted an eye, other than those admiring her beauty. Back in my room, this was the most GFE experience I've had so far. Lots of DFK, BBBJ until she gagged, and very responsive in DATY. Even while I'm fucking her, I just can't believe it. If this is what life is like in Brazil, except much cheaper once I become a veteran, I will definitely move down here! Anyways, after round 2, she said she needed to go watch a movie with her little brother, so she took off almost at the HR. I probably won't repeat due to the high price and clock watching. But I got absolutely no regrets. I got her IG, and turns out she did go watch a horror movie.

[B]Plans[/B]

For today, my ISG bro Zapped me as he wants to go to Connections again. I'm down, but will go see Sasha first. I probably won't be writing any more reports for the time being, unless there's something new to add. These reports are fuckin exhausting. LOL.
I've included some pics, but I think both Beatrice and Sasha look much better in person.[/QUOTE]As usual very nice detailed report, SK. I am glad you are enjoying your trip. Who is Maria? Is that the connection girl you invited to your hotel?

About comments about paying too much. I did make a comment about the initial ask of 1 K, which surprised me based on known connection price range. I don't think I commented on what you ended paying because that is up to you and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about it. You sharing that info here is very useful because I will be prepared for 1 K ask next time I visit connection. I think all info, positive and negative, is useful. Please don't let comments hold you back from sharing info.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2567934]What is the currency outlook?

Lots of talk here about it, driven by the BRL dropping to new multi month lows against USD.

Any links to high quality financial news press appreciated.[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to read the recent report on trade by the US Treasury. Since Brazil is a major trade country, BRL is on graph of currencies which shows if the currency is undervalued or overvalued at present. BRL is going down as I recall.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567928]Maria's the first girl, no clothes. She's originally in Scandallo, but makes her way to Connections at 9 pm along with other Scandallo girls.

Visited Abbobora again today. Lineup was decent and I found Bella to be the most attractive. Still not as beautiful as Sasha. So I asked for Sasha even though she wasn't in the lineup. Receptionist said she's available (guess she was just finishing up). I paid are $110 to the shop (before session), 150 to Sasha (after session). True to her word, she gave me plenty of DFK this time and session was a bit better than the last. She seemed to really enjoy DATY and CG. DFK was sensual with plenty of moist tongue action. She started on top for CG with a really nice, slow grinding action from her. Switched to K9, she felt so tight, I had to take it real slow. She has an amazing ass that feels great to grab onto as I'm pounding from the back. Switched to MISH for more DFK while I'm inside her and finished in closed MISH where she seemed to get another nut, too.

Exchange rate at the mall today's pretty good at 5. 04 per $1 to get ready for another visit to Connections with a couple ISG buds tonight. But I think I'll pay another visit to Prime before heading to Connections.[/QUOTE]Yeah Maria is a mega hottie. I support your point that the girls likely look better than pics. I find that truly beautiful girls always look better than their pics. I use Diva escorts a lot in London and of course all the pics are photoshopped. But damn if pretty much every girl I've had there (many!) doesn't look better in person. Pretty girls always do. You simply can't capture a smile that Slays in a pic.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2567937]Who is Maria? Is that the connection girl you invited to your hotel?[/QUOTE]It's my pleasure to give back to this community after receiving so much.

Yes. Maria is the one I invited to my hotel from connections. We had a good time. I think everyone should experience everything Sao Paulo has to offer. Including the overpriced sex at the club and bringing a hottie from connections / scandallo to the hotel. It seemed very overpriced. But now what I've scratched that itch, I won't do it again.

Tonight, I'm at connections again with a couple buddies from ISG. It's not nearly as good as it was Tues night. One girl (7), offered to go with me back to my hotel for 500 all night. Since I'd already popped twice today (Sasha and Alice), I didn't have a very strong desire unless it was going to be BBFS. She said no, so we parted ways. This was after a good amount of mutual groping and kissing. Except for the first night, none of the girls have asked me to buy them a drink. And there's been plenty of girls sticking their tongue down my throat. Usually not the hot ones. LOL. But still doable.

I am curious, though. How much do people normally pay to take the girls upstairs at the club?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567997]
I am curious, though. How much do people normally pay to take the girls upstairs at the club?[/QUOTE]I remember the old reports said it was 300 to 500.

Why didn't have session with Maria in the club or just take her back to your hotel? I can't believe you hold out until next day. Did she has sex with anyone at the club while you were there? I ask because I am wondering how popular she is

[QUOTE=Nounce;2568007]I remember the old reports said it was 300 to 500.

Why didn't have session with Maria in the club or just take her back to your hotel? I can't believe you hold out until next day. Did she has sex with anyone at the club while you were there? I ask because I am wondering how popular she is[/QUOTE]300-500 sounds about right. I think their prices start coming down as the night goes on. They'll quote the R1000 for anyone they think is new in Brazil / boates. I'm glad I RTFF and stuck with 500 on Monday (Beatrice). But after I left, I still felt that was too much. Because it's 500 plus 140 (room), and clinicas are such better value.

I don't think anyone sessioned with Maria that night. But she was with other guys the whole night until she finally came to talk to me. I didn't session with Maria that night because I'd already sessioned with Sasha that day. Maria did get me hard throughout the night as we were making out and groping. We talked until 5 AM. I got her 1 drink, a shot of tequila, and that got her completely drunk. LOL. Straight up couldn't talk straight, hiccups, getting emotional as she was talking. It was adorable. By the time I dropped her off at her place, it was already 5:30 AM. No way she could come over. I'm glad I waited until the next day to session with Maria. I was at full vigor, and she was completely freshened up.

Since I was already spent coming to the club tonight, the objective was to get names and numbers of cute garotas. But I didn't get a single number. Didn't want any of them. That's how bad it was. The price range I was getting tonight was about 300-500 for 1 HR. For this week, Tues was definitely the best.

[b]Pushy Garotas[/b]
Towards the end of my night, I was sitting at the table in the restaurant because the club area is very loud. A garota I'd been eying came over. We talked for a bit. She asked if I would buy her a drink. She was one of the more attractive girls and I was bored, so I bought a Heineken for the both of us R40 each, and she kept me company for a good 45 min. She asks me to take her upstairs for R300. I thought it was a great deal, but with the price of the room and the fact that I'd already sessioned during the day, I told her thanks, but no thanks. After she left, a hideous garota comes and asks me to take her upstairs. I say no (I lie that I already sessioned that night). She says to at least buy her a drink. I tell her maybe next time. She says she doesn't want to wait until next time. I say no thank you and she leaves. This was the first time I found a girl to be REALLY pushy. None of the other girls were like this.

[B]Food[/B]
Dona Firmina Pizzeria [URL]http://donafirminapizzaria.com.br/#section-menu[/URL] - Pizza was excellent. I got a half and half. And they charged half and half of each pizza. LOL. The dough was cooked perfectly. The cheese was very good. I had a difficult time ordering because I didn't understand the menu. Used Google translate (live image translation) to translate the menu, but even that wasn't 100% accurate. The small (broto) was really big for one person. Plus two beers cost me R96.

[B]Pro Tip on bringing Hotel Guests @ Bourbon Convention[/B]
There's another ISG bro staying in the same hotel (Bourbon Convention). A few weeks ago, he was charged are R100 at the front desk to check in the escort he ordered. When Maria came over to my room, I waited in the lobby. So when she texted that she arrived, I met her outside and we walked in together. Maybe people thought we were friends (she was in a cute pajama), but nobody bothered us. My ISG bro said that he was charged because when she arrived, he went down to fetch her, but she already came inside and the doormen told her to check in at the front desk.

So if you're bringing escorts into the hotel, I suggest you wait in the lobby, or at least ask them to wait outside. I thought bourbon didn't care about "guests", but evidently, that's not always the case.

[B]Pro Tip 2: Boates[/B]
I suggest you session beforehand, so you aren't tempted to session at the boate. Even if you get a good deal for R300, you're still paying for the room and maybe a drink (unless you're a pro like Vagabond, Mr. E or The Cane). That'll be at least R500. Unless they're a 10, they're probably not worth it. Make it your goal to get numbers and meet outside for much cheaper. So far, value, looks, and pleasure wise, clinicas have the boates beat 90% of the time. You'll usually be able to find an amazing garota in Prime, Abbobora, or Tangara for half the price and better GFE.

Marina was the only one that looked hotter than any girl I'd met in a clinica and club, so I have no regrets on sessioning with her at my hotel. But lesson learned, and I probably won't do it again at the same price. Probably. LOL.

[I]disclaimer[/I]
I say "pro tip", but I by no means suggest that I'm a pro. LOL.

Do you have a link? Or can you post a PDF here?

It is obviously covid related. Now US is 50% or more vaccinated and as was obvious rich world is sending vax to Brazil et al. Are we at a tipping point back below USD BRL 5?

I hope not. This place is Valhalla on sale at these rates.

[QUOTE=Questner;2567988]My suggestion is to read the recent report on trade by the US Treasury.[/QUOTE]

First of all SK thanks for the amazing reports. Soooooo jealous. Currently locked in Pussy Prison USA but making the best of it with Seeking Arrangement. Missing Brasil terribly.

I must say I don't understand how some guys do it leave without taking a girl! I really can't go home empty handed and jerk off except maybe if I was foolish enough to go to a US strip club. In Brasil there is no way I am leaving Connections without rooming with a girl. All that drinking and dancing and DFK? I got to close the deal. No question.

I suppose some relates to ones $ pain threshold. Since I'm going to have to drop USD$600+ a night in the US (dinner, girl, hotel), there's no way I'm not taking one or two garotas at a Boate. It's heaven on earth and a relative bargain.

Totally awesome job on your trip and report outs. We thank (and envy) you!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2568038][B]Pro Tip 2: Boates[/B]
I suggest you session beforehand, so you aren't tempted to session at the boate. Even if you get a good deal for R300, you're still paying for the room and maybe a drink (unless you're a pro like Vagabond, Mr. E or The Cane). That'll be at least R500. Unless they're a 10, they're probably not worth it. Make it your goal to get numbers and meet outside for much cheaper. So far, value, looks, and pleasure wise, clinicas have the boates beat 90% of the time. You'll usually be able to find an amazing garota in Prime, Abbobora, or Tangara for half the price and better GFE.

Marina was the only one that looked hotter than any girl I'd met in a clinica and club, so I have no regrets on sessioning with her at my hotel. But lesson learned, and I probably won't do it again at the same price. Probably. LOL.

[I]disclaimer[/I]
I say "pro tip", but I by no means suggest that I'm a pro. LOL.[/QUOTE]SK, up to now I have been enjoying your reports. I knew you would like the Clinicas. Furthermore, Boate Marina is a top quality looker. You hit the jackpot with her if she is as good in bed as she looks.

But I have two issues with you related to spending and trying to please the peanut gallery:

1. Clinicas are great, but they are daytime. Boates are nighttime. I only wish the Boates had been open when I was in town so I could have enjoyed 2 or 3 girls per day. The issue is giving a shite what a few "pros" are willing to pay. Who cares? The idea that I would go to a Boate or Terma, make out with a hot girl for 30 minutes, and not take her upstairs because of the house fee or what some ISG'er says he does is beyond my comprehension. I am an independent agent. I do it anyway I want because it is my time and my money. I am just saying 2 months from now the few 100 br's you saved by not going upstairs will not mean a god damn thing, but not maximizing all your limited time in Brazil will. But to each his own. Do what truly makes you happy.

2. I also don't know why you are hesitant to mention what you paid Marina for takeout. To hell with the peanut gallery. I know you would tell me in a PM, but that is not the issue. So what if you gave her 700 br or 1000 br. (Hopefully you did not give her more than a 1000.) LOL. But it is your money and she is a hottie. The only thing that is important is if you had a good time and all I am saying is don't be intimidated by the house critics! They have their own reasons for what they say and do. The only 2 people that matter are you (#1) and the girl (#2).

So, when I return to SP I plan to do it all: Clincas, Boates and MClass and I don't give a damn what anybody else is doing. If I want to drop a couple thousand BR in a Boate, drink all night, and do a couple of girls in-house I will. And if I want to see the girls later at my place I will. It's nobody's business, but my own.

A short story: there is always another punter willing to spend more than you. So I really liked this MClass escort girl that I met in SP, a former Revista Sexy Centerfold. I texted her 5 days after our 1st session to set up a 2nd time. She texted back that she was in Cancun. Some guy had taken her there for the week. I can only imagine what that set him back, but it had to be in the thousands of US dollars. Did he overpay? Do you think he gives a shit? NO! He was having a great time with this hot and I do mean hot chic. So, long story short, Ms. Sexy Centerfold tells me she will be back in SP on May 1. I say, oh, that's too bad because I will be in RJ by then. She says, "I like RJ. I can come to see you for a day or two if you want." Ha Ha. And I said that would be great because it would have been. On May 3 she texts me that she is back in SP and she can come be in RJ tomorrow at my hotel by noon. I am tempted, but it is my final days in Brazil, I am having a good time in the Termas, and I want to say goodbye to my 2 favorite Barra VIP girls so I don't really have the time for her. She accepts the excuse I gave her and says she looks forward to seeing me in SP in October. We never got around to money for her trip to RJ, but who cares? Not me. If I had had the time, I would have flown her in and we would have had a great time.

IMHO. This is what punting is all about. Having a great time with sexy girls, not figuring out how little you can get way with spending or pleasing the critics. Do whatever you like and whatever you can afford. Nothing else matters.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2568074]SK, up to now I have been enjoying your reports. I knew you would like the Clinicas. Furthermore, Boate Marina is a top quality looker. You hit the jackpot with her if she is as good in bed as she looks. But I have two issues with you related to spending and trying to please the peanut gallery:

1. Clinicas are great, but they are daytime. Boates are nighttime. I only wish the Boates had been open when I was in town so I could have enjoyed 2 or 3 girls per day. The issue is giving a shite what a few "pros" are willing to pay. Who cares? The idea that I would go to a Boate or Terma, make out with a hot girl for 30 minutes, and not take her upstairs because of the house fee or what some ISG'er says he does is beyond my comprehension. I am an independent agent. I do it anyway I want because it is my time and my money. I am just saying 2 months from now the few 100 br's you saved by not going upstairs will not mean a god damn thing, but not maximizing all your limited time in Brazil will. But to each his own. Do what truly makes you happy. The only 2 people that matter are you (#1) and the girl (#2). So, when I return to SP I plan to do it all: Clincas, Boates and MClass and I don't give a damn what anybody else is doing. If I want to drop a couple thousand BR in a Boate, drink all night, and do a couple of girls in-house I will. And if I want to see the girls later at my place I will. It's nobody's business, but my own. IMHO. This is what punting is all about. Having a great time with sexy girls, not figuring out how little you can get way with spending or pleasing the critics. Do whatever you like and whatever you can afford. Nothing else matters.[/QUOTE]Hallelujah! I could not have put it better myself. At the end of the day, this is exactly how I feel about it, and I'm not going to change. I know that SK mentioned me, Vagabundo, and Mr. E all in the same group. I took that as showing respect for some guys who have a lot of experience, and that's cool. But, all three of us are clearly not the same in our wants, needs, strategies, and tactics. That's why I say listen and learn from everybody. And then you go out and do and be you based on what you've learned and what works for you. And don't give a damn what anybody else says. You paid for that tute with your money, not theirs! So do and be you. Somebody doesn't like what I pay and think I paid too much and I'm ruining it for them? Well you know what? Then just fuck less then LOLOLOL! It's my money, and I'll spend it (or not) how I darn well please!

[QUOTE=Questner;2567988]My suggestion is to read the recent report on trade by the US Treasury. Since Brazil is a major trade country, BRL is on graph of currencies which shows if the currency is undervalued or overvalued at present. BRL is going down as I recall.[/QUOTE]It's very hard to predict currencies. You might see evidence that things on the ground are too expensive in Dollars or Euros (or conversely too cheap), but markets can stay irrational for a long time. Take financial prognosticators with a grain of salt. They are either on the infotainment side of the spectrum. Or they are employed by financial firms to give their clients the allusion of confidence.

Anyway, the Dollar is at a cyclical low around the globe. This condition will probably persist while Biden is launching spending programs. Incidentally, USA Spending is usually needed to pull the globe out of a recession.

What will happen in Brazil matters, but vaccines getting to the country will inspire some confidence in the Real. I'm not sure the Bolsonaro government can and will go on a spending spree. Massive Brazilian spending would weaken the currency.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2567997]

I am curious, though. How much do people normally pay to take the girls upstairs at the club?[/QUOTE]300-500 is the range based on what others gave shared here. I paid 500 for the only girl I went with at connection. I personally don't negotiate too much as long as the ask is reasonable. I usually go for the prettiest ones and lowballing them might result in mediocre service in the room. I am willing to pay more than the club's price range if the girl is really gorgeous and worth the price. Wouldn't we all love if a 5 and 10 charge the same low price? It doesn't make any sense to expect a gorgeous girl short sell herself at bottom of the price range among club full of average looking girls.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2568216]300-500 is the range based on what others gave shared here. I paid 500 for the only girl I went with at connection. I personally don't negotiate too much as long as the ask is reasonable. I usually go for the prettiest ones and lowballing them might result in mediocre service in the room. I am willing to pay more than the club's price range if the girl is really gorgeous and worth the price. Wouldn't we all love if a 5 and 10 charge the same low price? It doesn't make any sense to expect a gorgeous girl short sell herself at bottom of the price range among club full of average looking girls.[/QUOTE]I don't think your taking a top Scandallo girl upstairs for 300. Maybe 500 at the end of the night (4 AM - done that). But a prime girl during prime hours I've def paid 700. A bit less at Bomboa. 300 should do it at Casarao tho I paid 400 for a top girl.

This was pre Covid but don't think that has changed much other than the USD cost is 25% less. Do it while u can! 750R is $150! Is there really any difference between $100 and $150 for u? Cuz to me those numbers are identical. My god its a bargain.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568226]I don't think your taking a top Scandallo girl upstairs for 300. Maybe 500 at the end of the night (4 AM - done that). But a prime girl during prime hours I've def paid 700. A bit less at Bomboa. 300 should do it at Casarao tho I paid 400 for a top girl.

This was pre Covid but don't think that has changed much other than the USD cost is 25% less. Do it while u can! 750R is $150! Is there really any difference between $100 and $150 for u? Cuz to me those numbers are identical. My god its a bargain.[/QUOTE]For the top girls at the higher end boates, I have typically paid 500 to 600 reals for a session (plus room). This pretty much always includes a BBBJ, and very often includes anal sex (I actively seek out attractive anal providers without shame). Sometimes it includes CIM and sometimes not. You have to ask the girl if she does that (as with anal). If not, almost all of the girls will allow you to cum on / in various other parts of their bodies (tits, butt crack, face, etc.). To maintain budget control, as others have recommended, I suggest mongering in the much more cost-effective clinicas in the daytime. That way, you've already scored a nut or two before you step inside someplace line a Scandallo, the "baddest puta palace on the planet", and lose your mind (and all your money too)!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568226]I don't think your taking a top Scandallo girl upstairs for 300. Maybe 500 at the end of the night (4 AM - done that).[/QUOTE]Steve, that is the price for Connection, not Scandallo.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568226]I don't think your taking a top Scandallo girl upstairs for 300. Maybe 500 at the end of the night (4 AM - done that). But a prime girl during prime hours I've def paid 700. A bit less at Bomboa. 300 should do it at Casarao tho I paid 400 for a top girl.

This was pre Covid but don't think that has changed much other than the USD cost is 25% less. Do it while u can! 750R is $150! Is there really any difference between $100 and $150 for u? Cuz to me those numbers are identical. My god its a bargain.[/QUOTE]I replied to SK's question which I thought was connection related. I didn't mean it be a standard price range for all the clubs. As you said, the time of the night does influence prices in addition to other factors like club, girl's beauty etc. I don't stay in a club till the wee hours just to save a couple of hundred rials. I rather wind things down early, get a good night sleep and get ready for the next day.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2568038]300-500 sounds about right. I think their prices start coming down as the night goes on. They'll quote the R1000 for anyone they think is new in Brazil / boates.[/QUOTE]I am going to play dumb based on your lesson. Instead of asking the girl what she charges, I will offer a price in the 300-500 range and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568064]Do you have a link? Or can you post a PDF here?

It is obviously covid related. Now US is 50% or more vaccinated and as was obvious rich world is sending vax to Brazil et al. Are we at a tipping point back below USD BRL 5?

I hope not. This place is Valhalla on sale at these rates.[/QUOTE][URL]https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/206/April_2021_FX_Report_FINAL.pdf[/URL]

Knowing that Scandallo in SP is my fave destination. Anyone have any comparison to Scandalo in Malaga? Or other European venues? I think Europe will be my first post Covid stop. And of course Frankfurt Sharks and Zurich Globe are obvious choices. But wondering if any ofbubhave other suggestions. Knowing that Scandallo SP is my worldwide fave venue.

So do you think it keeps going under 5?

I hope not.

Come on, I am pulling for more hate, chaos, and a weak brazilian real so I can keep exploiting the natural resources here.

/ s / Vasco the Gama, Vagabundo in Chief.

[QUOTE=Questner;2568252][URL]https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/206/April_2021_FX_Report_FINAL.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]

Steve— if Zurich is on the list check out Club Aphrodesia. I was there just Pre covid and preferred it to Globe that trip. Tiny space compared to Scandallo but there's no cover and drinks are free. So you can go in, look around and leave if you don't see someone who appeals. I got with a hard body half Angolan / half Portuguese who was the highlight of the trip. Did her twice. Hotel One is literally right across the street, clean (isn't everything is Suisse) and a reasonable price. It's spendy for a session but then I know that don't scare you. The web site gives a pretty good idea of the talent on offer. Fewer girls due to the size but near Scandallo quality. Grace, the girl I was with, says she has clients who spend 10 k CF a night for a big party. YMMV after covid of course but it should be on the list for any top flight monger destination. I thought Globe had slipped a bit from my previous visit (2 years before) both in facilities and girls. And the rooms have always been awful. But it's big and has ample women.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568272]Knowing that Scandallo in SP is my fave destination. Anyone have any comparison to Scandalo in Malaga? Or other European venues? I think Europe will be my first post Covid stop. And of course Frankfurt Sharks and Zurich Globe are obvious choices. But wondering if any ofbubhave other suggestions. Knowing that Scandallo SP is my worldwide fave venue.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2568074]A short story: there is always another punter willing to spend more than you. So I really liked this MClass escort girl that I met in SP, a former Revista Sexy Centerfold. I texted her 5 days after our 1st session to set up a 2nd time. She texted back that she was in Cancun. Some guy had taken her there for the week. I can only imagine what that set him back, but it had to be in the thousands of US dollars. Did he overpay? Do you think he gives a shit? NO! He was having a great time with this hot and I do mean hot chic. So, long story short, Ms. Sexy Centerfold tells me she will be back in SP on May 1. I say, oh, that's too bad because I will be in RJ by then. She says, "I like RJ. I can come to see you for a day or two if you want." Ha Ha. And I said that would be great because it would have been. On May 3 she texts me that she is back in SP and she can come be in RJ tomorrow at my hotel by noon. I am tempted, but it is my final days in Brazil, I am having a good time in the Termas, and I want to say goodbye to my 2 favorite Barra VIP girls so I don't really have the time for her. She accepts the excuse I gave her and says she looks forward to seeing me in SP in October. We never got around to money for her trip to RJ, but who cares? Not me. If I had had the time, I would have flown her in and we would have had a great time.

IMHO. This is what punting is all about. Having a great time with sexy girls, not figuring out how little you can get way with spending or pleasing the critics. Do whatever you like and whatever you can afford. Nothing else matters.[/QUOTE]Some girls will go on trips for free just because its a free vacation for them. I've been to Europe a few times and the girls did not mention prices just happy with what I gave them at the end of the trip or what they bought on the trip.

A few I took to beaches in BR and some got mad at the amount I gave at the end but we never talked about price and did not matter because I don't need to see them again. But pretty much every time I got BBFS. So next time a girl talks to you about her dream vacation take her!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2568038][I]disclaimer[/I]I say "pro tip", but I by no means suggest that I'm a pro. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2568074]SK, up to now I have been enjoying your reports.
IMHO. This is what punting is all about. Having a great time with sexy girls, not figuring out how little you can get way with spending or pleasing the critics. Do whatever you like and whatever you can afford. Nothing else matters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568133] Somebody doesn't like what I pay and think I paid too much and I'm ruining it for them? Well you know what? Then just fuck less then LOLOLOL! It's my money, and I'll spend it (or not) how I darn well please![/QUOTE]I concur with the sentiments mentioned. You earned your money, you spend your money how you please. Life is too short. Do what and how you like and enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2568038]
[B]Food[/B]
Dona Firmina Pizzeria [URL]http://donafirminapizzaria.com.br/#section-menu[/URL] - Pizza was excellent. I got a half and half. And they charged half and half of each pizza. LOL. The dough was cooked perfectly. The cheese was very good. I had a difficult time ordering because I didn't understand the menu. Used Google translate (live image translation) to translate the menu, but even that wasn't 100% accurate. The small (broto) was really big for one person. Plus two beers cost me R96.[/QUOTE]I for one appreciate when a member(s) posts Food & Restaurant recommendations. Good food makes for good mongering! Please continue with your good reports.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568272]Knowing that Scandallo in SP is my fave destination. Anyone have any comparison to Scandalo in Malaga? Or other European venues? I think Europe will be my first post Covid stop. And of course Frankfurt Sharks and Zurich Globe are obvious choices. But wondering if any ofbubhave other suggestions. Knowing that Scandallo SP is my worldwide fave venue.[/QUOTE]Spain has been one of my favorite destinations in Europe for a long time, and not just for the mongering either. But plentiful mongering options it does have! Following is a link to the reports I did for my last trip, which included some time along the Costa del Sol (includes Malaga). The two best clubs I found along the CDS were Scandalo (yes with one "s") and Estark 92 (link includes a CDS-focused report covering both clubs). There's no such thing as a Scandallo Sao Paulo "equivalent". Or if there is, I haven't found it yet. I would say the closest I have personally experienced is Globe Zurich (which really is not an apples to apples comparison). But of course, there are many other options out there around the world offering a good time for the adventurous monger. If you're serious about Malaga and the CDS, then you should be reading and asking questions in the appropriate Spanish threads. This will give you a head start: [POST]2170210[/POST].

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2568355]I concur with the sentiments mentioned. You earned your money, you spend your money how you please. Life is too short. Do what and how you like and enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]I must confess that when I feel that I've spent too much I tend to be a little worried, however, I'm totally envious of you guys who spend what you want and let others do the worrying for you, LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2568412]I must confess that when I feel that I've spent too much I tend to be a little worried, however, I'm totally envious of you guys who spend what you want and let others do the worrying for you, LOL.[/QUOTE]If I'm worried that I spent too much that's one thing. But if somebody else is worried that I spent too much, well that's quite another LOL! We all have spending limits and budgets we need to keep in mind. It's just that once I've set mine according to my own personal requirements, I don't care what somebody else thinks about that. From the very first moment that I took on this hobby, I have 100% lived by the following. Make sure your bills are paid and your investments made before you get laid!

The point is not that spending any particular amount is wrong, but that it does not always equate to good sex or better sex.

See the bubba boy report, search for good sex, search for mini relationships.

How many of those girls in pictures from tier 1 termas have you taken to Buzios, Ihla Grande, Arrail, Petropolis? How many stay the night for as many nights as you want.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2568355]I concur with the sentiments mentioned. You earned your money, you spend your money how you please. Life is too short. Do what and how you like and enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568396]The two best clubs I found along the CDS were Scandalo (yes with one "s").[/QUOTE]I meant one "l" for Malaga's "Scandalo" versus two for Sampa's "Scandallo".

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432]How many of those girls in pictures from tier 1 termas have you taken to Buzios, Ihla Grande, Arrail, Petropolis? How many stay the night for as many nights as you want.[/QUOTE]There was a blonde hottie at Termas 65 who was interested in going to Buzios with me, and she was the one who brought it up. That's not the way I like to play the game, at least not in the past anway, so I really didn't have any interest. The answer to your question from me would be zero, but that's OK. Not what I wanted to do anyway, but maybe some other time. We shall see!

Was very lackluster. Upon advice of a fellow ISG, went to check out Tangara. Waited an HR, but found nothing good.

[B]Food[/B]

Coffee at "The Coffee" every day. Dinner at Komei [URL]https://www.komeirestaurante.com/menus[/URL]. Japanese curry (Kare) and katsu with dumplings with a kirin beer. Total was about R70. It was ok. Good.

[B]Laundry[/B]

The morning was spent doing laundry at "Lavanderia 60 Minutos", just a few blocks away from the hotel. R30 for wash (R15) and dry (R15) with detergent and softener automatically dispensed. But the bad thing about this place is that you need a CPF number to register for their website in order to access their WiFi. There was a guy cleaning the place, so I asked for his help, but he couldn't do anything about it. There was another guy waiting for his laundry. He saw that I couldn't get access and was gracious enough to share his wifi account. I swear, I love Brazilians! Everywhere I go, people offer to help me unsolicited. He even gave me his account in case I visited the lavanderia again.

[B]Clinicas[/B]

Today was just shit luck. Went to Tangara and wasted too much time there. Then spent too much time wandering around in and eating in Liberdade. It was nice to just look around. But I don't think there are touristy destinations in the Sao Paulo main city area.

By the time I got to Prime, it was already 6 PM and I think most of the girls left. I asked for Alicee, receptionist lady told me to wait in the room. After 30 minutes, nobody came up. I thought she was finishing up with a customer and coming in. I got dressed again and went down. She misunderstood me, thought I said Lisa, not Alicee. So no sex today.

I was thinking about going to Connections with another ISGer. He went, but I was a bit disillusioned from the last visit with what I thought was a bad selection. It wasn't just that the girls weren't very attractive. Their personalities weren't great. Maybe due to our communication barrier. But it would be super obvious they're just trying to get me upstairs. Not much song and dance. They'd sit, ask if I want to go upstairs. Sometimes, make out, too. For the most part, I didn't find it appealing because I could do much prettier girls in the clinicas for much less.

By the time my ISG buddy texted me, it was already 12 AM and I needed to check out the next day, so I called it a night. Glad I did because the hotel wouldn't offer late checkout. Looks like they're almost completely booked. Glad to see they're doing well.

[B]Responses[/B]

Thanks for the responses about my concerns RE: the prices I paid. Part of my reservation about listing the prices I paid for top tier Connections girl (Maria) was due to prior experience in the Vietnam forum where people get upset over how much I paid. Something along the lines of "Why ask for help and info if you're going to go and pay the inflated prices?" It sounds like this forum is a little less toxic. I have no regrets on paying Maria what I did. I would probably do it again. I felt a little bit of magic that I haven't experienced in a while. As you suspected, Natty, it was 700 =) and worth every real.

One goal of visiting Brazil is (other than getting laid) is to see how sustainable hobbying is here. I plan on retiring within a year. So keeping to a certain budget was important to me. And it has been paradise, to be able to do a different, beautiful girl almost every day for about 300 US a week. I could definitely imagine spending a good amount of the year here (probably during their winters).

I requested one of my posts to be deleted. Can an admin please help me?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2568484]Was very lackluster. Upon advice of a fellow ISG, went to check out Tangara. Waited an HR, but found nothing good.

[B]Food[/B]

Coffee at "The Coffee" every day. Dinner at Komei [URL]https://www.komeirestaurante.com/menus[/URL]. Japanese curry (Kare) and katsu with dumplings with a kirin beer. Total was about R70. It was ok. Good.

[B]Laundry[/B]

The morning was spent doing laundry at "Lavanderia 60 Minutos", just a few blocks away from the hotel. R30 for wash (R15) and dry (R15) with detergent and softener automatically dispensed. But the bad thing about this place is that you need a CPF number to register for their website in order to access their WiFi. There was a guy cleaning the place, so I asked for his help, but he couldn't do anything about it. There was another guy waiting for his laundry. He saw that I couldn't get access and was gracious enough to share his wifi account. I swear, I love Brazilians! Everywhere I go, people offer to help me unsolicited. He even gave me his account in case I visited the lavanderia again.

[B]Clinicas[/B]

Today was just shit luck. Went to Tangara and wasted too much time there. Then spent too much time wandering around in and eating in Liberdade. It was nice to just look around. But I don't think there are touristy destinations in the Sao Paulo main city area.

By the time I got to Prime, it was already 6 PM and I think most of the girls left. I asked for Alicee, receptionist lady told me to wait in the room. After 30 minutes, nobody came up. I thought she was finishing up with a customer and coming in. I got dressed again and went down. She misunderstood me, thought I said Lisa, not Alicee. So no sex today.

I was thinking about going to Connections with another ISGer. He went, but I was a bit disillusioned from the last visit with what I thought was a bad selection. It wasn't just that the girls weren't very attractive. Their personalities weren't great. Maybe due to our communication barrier. But it would be super obvious they're just trying to get me upstairs. Not much song and dance. They'd sit, ask if I want to go upstairs. Sometimes, make out, too. For the most part, I didn't find it appealing because I could do much prettier girls in the clinicas for much less.

By the time my ISG buddy texted me, it was already 12 AM and I needed to check out the next day, so I called it a night. Glad I did because the hotel wouldn't offer late checkout. Looks like they're almost completely booked. Glad to see they're doing well.

[B]Responses[/B]

Thanks for the responses about my concerns RE: the prices I paid. Part of my reservation about listing the prices I paid for top tier Connections girl (Maria) was due to prior experience in the Vietnam forum where people get upset over how much I paid. Something along the lines of "Why ask for help and info if you're going to go and pay the inflated prices?" It sounds like this forum is a little less toxic. I have no regrets on paying Maria what I did. I would probably do it again. I felt a little bit of magic that I haven't experienced in a while. As you suspected, Natty, it was 700 =) and worth every real.

One goal of visiting Brazil is (other than getting laid) is to see how sustainable hobbying is here. I plan on retiring within a year. So keeping to a certain budget was important to me. And it has been paradise, to be able to do a different, beautiful girl almost every day for about 300 US a week. I could definitely imagine spending a good amount of the year here (probably during their winters).[/QUOTE]Damn no shame at all to do takeout w a hottie like Maria at 700. That's actually a pretty fair price. Stop sweating the pennies — you going to kick urself when you get back stateside (or wherever) and you didn't spend every waking minute drinking and dancing and DFKing and fucking. Rock on sir!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568396]Spain has been one of my favorite destinations in Europe for a long time, and not just for the mongering either. But plentiful mongering options it does have! Following is a link to the reports I did for my last trip, which included some time along the Costa del Sol (includes Malaga). The two best clubs I found along the CDS were Scandalo (yes with one "s") and Estark 92 (link includes a CDS-focused report covering both clubs). There's no such thing as a Scandallo Sao Paulo "equivalent". Or if there is, I haven't found it yet. I would say the closest I have personally experienced is Globe Zurich (which really is not an apples to apples comparison). But of course, there are many other options out there around the world offering a good time for the adventurous monger. If you're serious about Malaga and the CDS, then you should be reading and asking questions in the appropriate Spanish threads. This will give you a head start: [POST]2170210[/POST].[/QUOTE]Yes already talking to PAyforit, the resident expert, in the CDS thread. Just wanted some other perspective from the rest of this learned crew. I both love and hate Globe. I love it for slim girls with guaranteed amazing service (Kate, Tina, Simina I'm looking st you!) but I feel like you absolutely have to chase the girls and "qualify" to be done as they are so busy. Not really complaining don't enjoy being hounded by 5/6's at Sharks on the other end.

HarvestBoi I agree Aphrodisia is a once in a lifetime experience and I LOVED it. But with two samples I found the service a bit lackluster on the BBBJ for $280/ half or $380/45 which is just heartstopping for fully legal pussy. Still glad I did it.

Germany just opened to US so if FKKs open that might be my first stop. Thanks again. That link is sure a treasure trove and u know I love this shit!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568396]Spain has been one of my favorite destinations in Europe for a long time, and not just for the mongering either. But plentiful mongering options it does have! Following is a link to the reports I did for my last trip, which included some time along the Costa del Sol (includes Malaga). The two best clubs I found along the CDS were Scandalo (yes with one "s") and Estark 92 (link includes a CDS-focused report covering both clubs). There's no such thing as a Scandallo Sao Paulo "equivalent". Or if there is, I haven't found it yet. I would say the closest I have personally experienced is Globe Zurich (which really is not an apples to apples comparison). But of course, there are many other options out there around the world offering a good time for the adventurous monger. If you're serious about Malaga and the CDS, then you should be reading and asking questions in the appropriate Spanish threads. This will give you a head start: [POST]2170210[/POST].[/QUOTE]Just want to say thanks for the link. I'm in the process of deciding if I should go to Brazil or Spain for my first mongering / tourist trip. I'm a complete newbie, and have been reading the Rio & Sao Paulo Reports a lot lately. I speak no Portuguese, but fluent in Spanish, and I plan on going solo. All the info I've found here has been very helpful. The reports by SK have been great to read as well. I've seen a Bubba Boy report mentioned a lot, but I noticed its dated from 2012 so I'm guessing it might be outdated, but still worth a read? Anyhow, I'll continue RTFF. But if anyone wants to throw me a bone I'll appreciate any and all feedback!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432] The point is not that spending any particular amount is wrong, but that it does not always equate to good sex or better sex.[/QUOTE]I would tend to agree with that take, but ultimately it will always be a very "subjective" and depends on your predilection to your individual preferences, and what you consider "better sex". For some it's anal, for others it's BBFS, for some PSE, yet others prefer "safe" covered sex with the most "attractive" GDP, they can find...etc

However, when an agreed up price has been established and the mood takes me, I've often found a further "incentivized" GDP Brasileira, will typically produce better sex.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2566691] ... those who pay for sex and say goodbye at the end of an hour. And those that love having a paid girlfriend. I am the latter. I want the dinners. I want the dancing and sleep overs. But I'm not fool enough to think a 23 year old 9 is hanging with me because my fifty-something-ness is flat out awesome. [b]I pay for the illusion and I enjoy it. [/b][/QUOTE]Mr. V, Steve talked about enjoying and wanting the paid illusion of dating a pro (short-term) as if she were a girlfriend. I suspect, due to the fact, GFE sex (with whom you have a connection), is ultimately the best sex for him (and perhaps for modicum of us).

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432]How many of those girls in pictures from tier 1 termas have you taken to Buzios, Ihla Grande, Arrail, Petropolis? How many stay the night for as many nights as you want.[/QUOTE]From the questions you pose, it sounds like you've taken similar dates with Pros? If so, isn't this then the very same thing as Steve's dating his Brazilian PROs/semi-Pro's in London (albeit on a different scale)?

Now let me qualify this, as you did say (in the Rio thread):

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2566693]The point of this missive is that Mr. E was spot on right, [b]stop trying to find a meaningful relationship with hookers. Or ex hookers.[/b][/QUOTE]Now, once again, I think, "meaningful" is one of those things that is very subjective and scalable.

So, on the one hand, the dating and/or a short-term relationship with a Pro/Semi-Pro, [B]has to be "meaningful", on some minor level or else why bother to take them anywhere,[/B] let alone Buzios, Ihla Grande, Arrail or Petropolis. And on the other end of the scale, there is traditional usage of "meaningful", as in the pursuit of a LTR, significant other, marriage and / or kids. As I'm sure, there is a whole lot of "meaningful", somewhere in between too.

Just saying, something to think about either way, when applying "meaningful" with dating/relationships.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2568568]I would tend to agree with that take, but ultimat

Mr. V, Steve talked about enjoying and wanting the paid illusion of dating a pro (short-term) as if she were a girlfriend. I suspect, due to the fact, GFE sex (with whom you have a connection), is ultimately the best sex for him (and perhaps for modicum of us).

From the questions you pose, it sounds like you've taken sim dates with Pros? If so, isn't this then the very same thing as Steve's dating his Brazilian PROs/semi-Pro's in London...[/QUOTE]Def the GFE sex is great and the connection helps. But for me it's more than that. I LOVE the non-bedroom time with a 23 year old girl experiencing new things. For Thifany, her first international trip, eating seafood tapas at a high end restaurant on her birthday. (her passport doesn't lie). Dancing till 3 AM with the hottest girl in the club.

Or Alexa. Pedicab ride by the ocean at night drinking wine from the bottle and smoking cigars. Or her first time ever swimming in the ocean. (!) She'd get knocked down by breakers and come up laughing her ass off.

Seriously, am I the only guy that likes hanging with 23 year old hotties 24x7? Cuz damn I do adore it!

(Thifany was a lucky Boate find (Fazendinha, in Campinas but shes from Rio) but mostly Seeking Arrangement rules for this kinda thing).

I spent Thursday through Saturday running through clinicas, boated and sugar babies including one laying next to me right now.

I'm staying at Mercure New York Time Square. It's walking distance to the clinicas and there are tons of local restaurants around. Paid $77 for 3 nights for modest king size bed room with everything in working order. I had no problem bring girls up which I usually brought up during the night. Didn't have to registered them and walked straight up to the hotel room. I will start off work the clinicas.

CLínica Prime.

I went around 2:30 pm on Thursday. Only one other guy there. About 9 girls presented. Mostly all thin brancas who look very girl next door. Nothing stood out to me (disclaimer: I like curves and none were found here). Didn't inquire about prices. Never returned. Didn't inquire about prices. Age range seem like early 20's to early 30's.

CLínica Carina.

Walked over from Prime, sat down and was handed a tablets with about 9 girls to chose from. The pictures looked very nice and heavily photoshopped. All the girls looked hot but without seeing them in person, I passed. Didn't inquire about prices and never returned.

Age range seem like early 20's to early 30's.

CLínica Abbobora.

Walked over from Carinas, it was raining a little bit by this time. About 14-15 girls presented with a mix of Morenas and brancas from decent to very fuckable. Nothing super hot to me but definitely I could see the appeal of this place above others. There were two many names for me to remember but I would say this one had among the best looking CLínica girls but don't get your hopes up to high if you like curves. Age range seem like early 20's to early 30's. Didn't inquire about prices and never returned.

CLínica Brooklyn.

I went here on Friday around 3 pm. I usually am about to find something I like here but didn't that day. There were about 10 forks there from average to good looking. Nothing special. A mix of brancas, Morenas and one chocolate. Lacking the curves I seek. Age range from early 20's to one that look like she was in her late 40's. When she walked out I was surprise. Definitely wasn't as a talented line up as the past but had the most guys waiting around. Another interesting thing is they made everyone put on shoe covers for some unexplained reason. I didn't inquire about recent prices and didn't return.

CLínica Kin.

Down the street from Brooklin and down an alley, I went and was presented with a mediocre line up of about 7 girls. There was one decent talk Branca with black hair and a shorter Branca with black hair. Age range seem mid 20-30's. Nothing that peaked my interest. Didn't inquire about prices.

CLínica Tangará.

Went around 4 pm on Friday. About 20 plus girls with about 6 guys waiting around. This place had the most variety of looks, skin colors, body shapes and probably the youngest looking girls. Three of them looked uncomfortably young. Been here multiple times and ever since ABG is no longer around the talent has went down to me. Didn't inquire about current prices.

CLínica Miruna.

Went here two days in a row but only sessioned once. About 8-9 girls each day. Similar quality to Abbobora in my opinion. Age range from 20-30. Brancas and morenas with some curves. I went with 26 year old Paulista Raquel. Tall, beauty brown skin, Spanish Portuguese mix. She has one of the nicest natural bodies I seen with perfect but breasts, flat stomach and curvy hips. To me she could work in all the high end Boates against what I seen (more on them later). The sex was great. Tight, wet and seemed into and did anal for 100 reais. Came twice, exchanged numbers and sheet had been writing me ever since wanting to stay over. Paid 260 with card for one hour.

Scandallo.

I never visited Scandallo on the multiple times I've been to SP so I decided to give it a shot. I believe one of the members said it was open from 5 pm to 9 pm but one of the girls said it's open from noon to 9 pm. She also told me if you fuck in house you can stay past 9 pm. I paid 300 to get in and half was used on a steak dinner and a guarana. Seemed a slight bit more girls to guys. I would guess 50 plus girls in the place and it pretty much had everything for everyone's taste. A lot of surgery up in here different from the clinicas but alot of food looking women. When Casarão was open, it has equivalent or hitter talent at the time. Girls were very aggressive soon as I walked in got approached and proposition many times All starting with 1000-1100 for an hour but all went down to 500. Got a few numbers, ate my food and went back to the tellie and met up with a sugar baby for the night.

Connections.

Arrived there at 1:30 am, place was pretty packed. 100 reais entry. About 40-50 girls. Some of the same girls from Scandallo were there. Again reminded me of Casarão. I had two sessions here one a 3 some and the other with just one girl. The 3 some was with two pretty Italian looking big butt cariocas who proposition me on the 3 some. Usually I don't like but they said I could go back in forth with the same condom. They started with 600 reais each but talked down to 400. Of we went and it was a really good session. One was into way than the other but they did well enough to please me besides the covered BJ which I didn't negotiate beforehand but the one into insisted I tested her oral skills. Paid $140 for the room. Note: if you pay with a card they charge 10 percent for the session but not the room which you pay after you finish.

The second session was with 27 year old morena with blonde hair from Porto Alegre. I told her you look different than any other person I met from there. She had surgery on her face and body, bolt ONS and ass. We agreed on 300 with anal included. It was a really good session. Her pussy was surprisingly tight, tighter than her ass. Two nuts and she wanted to keep fucking. She told me she lives in the same hotel I'm staying at and offered to drive me home and wanted me to stay with her and go to breakfast or lunch. She showed me she was an influencer with like 50 k followers and doesn't work there much. I never ended up contacting her. Just too busy with other girls. I stayed at connections until the closed around 5 am.

Seeking arrangement.

I decided to try SA website to see what I could find and if I could get girls to bareback. There wasn't alot of curvy talent in SP on the site but I was able to make agreements with like 5 girls who was willing to do bareback and anal. The price for all night ranger from 300-500 reais. I only sessioned with two of the girls because one flaked, one didn't look like her pictures and one try to change the agreement for more money. The two girls were nothing to write home about but one has nice breast and the other has a medium big ass. The sessions were good but I probably wouldn't look for girls on the site in Sao Paulo. There are just way better looking options out there.

Definitely enjoyed my stay in SP as always. I didn't experience the amount of quality that I did on previous trips and actually prefer my first leg and Rio because I encountered more curves. Next up is a new city of the beaten path in Goaina. Wish me luck.

The lineup in FKKs (European sauna clubs) is thin as a result of most of the working girls going home for Christmas and lineup doesn't get back to normal until end of January.

I would like ask those who are familiar with SP and Rio scene, what kind of impact does Christmas and New years time has on boetes, clinicas and termas in terms of quality and strength of lineup?

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2568764]The lineup in FKKs (European sauna clubs) is thin as a result of most of the working girls going home for Christmas and lineup doesn't get back to normal until end of January.

I would like ask those who are familiar with SP and Rio scene, what kind of impact does Christmas and New years time has on boetes, clinicas and termas in terms of quality and strength of lineup?[/QUOTE]So don't be hard-headed and not listen. Don't do it! Just like in Europe, the girls have family and friends and want to enjoy the holiday season just like everybody else.

I'm not going to carry on a debate. Yes, to each his own. I would commend bubba boy's guide, the sections on mini relationships. IMHO, my goal in mongering in termas, prives or freelancers is the minirelationship, as BB describes. I have had it when I am in Brazil only 1 or 2 weeks a few times a year, and it is easier of course if longer. But if a man just wants a bang in a terma, hey that's fine. It's all good.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2568568]it will always be a very "subjective" [/QUOTE]

The only thing I like more is hanging out with 18 year olds 24/7. At buzios, arrail, ihla, Petropolis. Don't want a lifetime, or kids, or even months, just 2 days every few weeks, and 2-3 pernoites a week. Need to drop them when they get in their early 20's, and recruit new 18 and 19 yo's.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568595]Seriously, am I the only guy that likes hanging with 23 year old hotties 24x7? Cuz damn I do adore it!.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568765]So don't be hard-headed and not listen. Don't do it! Just like in Europe, the girls have family and friends and want to enjoy the holiday season just like everybody else.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Rio or SP specifically, but I was in Colombia right after Christmas and during New Year (see my reports from this past January). In South America, there is still a very strong religious culture present, and with that comes significant family ties. Girls go home. Quality and quantity is much lower during the holiday season. In Latin American countries, there are even religious holidays after the New Year so it doesn't pick up again until around the January 15 timeframe.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2568790]I can't speak for Rio or SP specifically, but I was in Colombia right after Christmas and during New Year (see my reports from this past January). In South America, there is still a very strong religious culture present, and with that comes significant family ties. Girls go home. Quality and quantity is much lower during the holiday season. In Latin American countries, there are even religious holidays after the New Year so it doesn't pick up again until around the January 15 timeframe.[/QUOTE]The one exception is Cali, where between Christmas and NY is the absolute best time.

[QUOTE=Combo;2568807]The one exception is Cali, where between Christmas and NY is the absolute best time.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected and also wish I had known that before I went to Bogota earlier this past year!

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2568854]I stand corrected and also wish I had known that before I went to Bogota earlier this past year![/QUOTE]Well this last year la Feria didn't happen (or it took place "virtually" which is useless) so it probably wasn't that great. But in normal times, la Feria starts on the night of Dec 25 and finishes before the NY. The city is alive like no other time. Tons of action and the women, both pro and non-pro, want to party and fuck.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2568790]I can't speak for Rio or SP specifically, but I was in Colombia right after Christmas and during New Year (see my reports from this past January). In South America, there is still a very strong religious culture present, and with that comes significant family ties. Girls go home. Quality and quantity is much lower during the holiday season. In Latin American countries, there are even religious holidays after the New Year so it doesn't pick up again until around the January 15 timeframe.[/QUOTE]That is true in BR also. There is a saying in BR that work doesn't start until after Carnaval. But boates remain open except for Christmas and new years. Maybe in normal year but w / the pandemic its hard to know and plus in SP the gov declared holidays early to keep people home but will make up for it later.

Brazil weekly avg 80 k cases a day with 15% fully vaccinated. New normal will not be until end of the year.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568765]So don't be hard-headed and not listen. Don't do it! Just like in Europe, the girls have family and friends and want to enjoy the holiday season just like everybody else.[/QUOTE]It knew it was wishful thinking but I just wanted to check to make sure.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2569159]It knew it was wishful thinking but I just wanted to check to make sure.[/QUOTE]I know this belongs in the FKK section but since people were asking here. Sharks has a holiday bonus for the girls who work the entire period from Christmas to New Years Eve, which essentially covers the girls' fees for that week. So Sharks is pretty much at full strength during this time. I did that week in Sharks several year ago and had a great time. It was fun to ring in the new year with a bunch of naked girls around you. The Romanian girls then go home afterwards to celebrate orthodox Christmas which is usually in mid Jan.

Hey guys, just want to introduce myself. I posted in the general info already, I'm new to this board but not to the forum or to Brazil (check my post history). I'm going to be in SP for a week starting thurs, can't wait to contribute and hang with you guys for a bit. I'm staying in campo belo, and I saw the map. With all that being said, does anyone have a solid recommend for a driver / guide? THANKS!

BTW, after SP I'm going to rio for a week, and later this summer to Kiev! I already have my hookups in both places so if anyone wants a recommend, hit me up.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2569216]I'm going to be in SP for a week starting thurs, can't wait to contribute and hang with you guys for a bit. I'm staying in campo belo, and I saw the map. With all that being said, does anyone have a solid recommend for a driver / guide? THANKS!

BTW, after SP I'm going to rio for a week, and later this summer to Kiev! I already have my hookups in both places so if anyone wants a recommend, hit me up.[/QUOTE]I'll be in SP one day before you. I plan on visiting Scandallo and Connections on Thurs and Fri. Hit me up if you want to hang out. I'll probably be with at least 1 other ISGer. And I think I mentioned this earlier, but I think the hottest clinicas in SP are Prime and Abbobora.

I got no recommendations on a driver / guide. Is that for tourist or monger stuff? I don't think Sao Paulo is much of a tourist destination. Seems more like a financial / business district to me.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2569246]I'll be in SP one day before you. I plan on visiting Scandallo and Connections on Thurs and Fri. Hit me up if you want to hang out. I'll probably be with at least 1 other ISGer. And I think I mentioned this earlier, but I think the hottest clinicas in SP are Prime and Abbobora.

I got no recommendations on a driver / guide. Is that for tourist or monger stuff? I don't think Sao Paulo is much of a tourist destination. Seems more like a financial / business district to me.[/QUOTE]For sure, I'll hit you up when I'm there. I would like a reliable all-in-one driver / guide. Even if SP isn't much for tourism, I'm sure there's cigar bars, neat little cafes, raver clubs, or something. Of course a well versed driver can not only hook me up with the best mongering but also help insure my safety and answer any questions. I have a guy in Cali, medellin, rio, and Kiev.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432]The point is not that spending any particular amount is wrong, but that it does not always equate to good sex or better sex. [/QUOTE]No! The point is individuals spend what they want given the perceived value proposition at that time. And if they want to post said amount they should not be criticized for it. Some members have deep pockets, Some do not. Some are frequent visitors or can live in country for weeks / months on end and others once in a lifetime or infrequent visitors. That is a huge determinant on spend rate. Money has never been a determinant to good sex or better sex in any P4 P situation especially when you don't know the providers mindset / motivation for being in the business in the first place and you never will.

At some point damn near every other day someone is asking about rates. Some rates are relatively fixed and some are not. However, there is a consensus of average rates (and members respond often what those rates are for those who take the time to RTFF) and then there are those who funds allow them at any given time to pay above or below the average rate.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432]See the bubba boy report, search for good sex, search for mini relationships. [/QUOTE]Don't need to. Also, my commentary is not related to above mentioned report, so I don't know why is being attributed my comment.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432]How many of those girls in pictures from tier 1 termas have you taken to Buzios, Ihla Grande, Arrail, Petropolis? How many stay the night for as many nights as you want.[/QUOTE]None! Since I don't care to spend my money that way. Again I don't know why is being attributed my comment.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2568414]If I'm worried that I spent too much that's one thing. But if somebody else is worried that I spent too much, well that's quite another LOL! We all have spending limits and budgets we need to keep in mind. It's just that once I've set mine according to my own personal requirements, I don't care what somebody else thinks about that. From the very first moment that I took on this hobby, [b]I have 100% lived by the following. Make sure your bills are paid and your investments made before you get laid![/B][/QUOTE]Wish I said it first. LOL!

This is straight from the Bubba Boy guide, a ISG member who spent 10 years in Brazil:

"An interesting point: The locals guys tend to go to Termas, primarily to drink and maybe grab a cheap feel, or several cheap feels. The majority won't take a girl to a cabine at all, they may or not be able to afford it, but know they can find something way cheaper elsewhere.

The longer I spend in Rio, the more I head to the cheaper places and the prives, basically you can find some real gems for a fraction of the price of the expensive places. The only downside is that the cheaper places tend to have less of a choice, this can be overcome by going to 2 or 3 on the same night. Entrance is generally are $ 10 to are $ 20 and the girl maybe are $ 100, hence with a bit of work you can bang some one as hot or even hotter than at the expensive places for just are $ 150, half the price and twice the fun! I am amazed that I have found some girls that are hotter than even the hottest "L'Uomo-Centaurus-Barbarelas" GDP's and for only are $120 or so. Most if not all of these places except cash only and in the local currency. English is a lot less common."

I'm not saying it is wrong or right but he has credibility.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2569263]No! The point is individuals spend what they want given the perceived value proposition at that time. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2569335]I'm not saying it is wrong or right but he has credibility.[/QUOTE]And he would have had even more credibility if he had noted that many of those cheaper places would be seen as squalid and / or dirty by many a monger reading reports on this site (like Termas 502). There are plenty of guys who go off on a vacation who don't want to spend it standing up fucking in a place where they don't even want to take their shoes off. I'm not saying all the cheap places are like that, but it's well known that many of them are. I think the clinicas of Sao Paulo have a better reputation for cleanliness than the prives of Rio de Janeiro do overall. At least he did note that one reason why some don't session in the Tier 1 termas is because they can't afford it. Lots of guy who patronize the cheaper places don't want to admit that. But it's true.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2569263]None! Since I don't care to spend my money that way. Again I don't know why is being attributed my comment. [/QUOTE]Absolutely! Your money your prerogative!

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2569263] [QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568432]See the bubba boy report, search for good sex, search for mini relationships. [/QUOTE] Don't need to. Also, my commentary is not related to above mentioned report, so I don't know why is being attributed my comment.[/QUOTE]After all, not everyone who travels, reads or follows, the Lonely Planet guidebooks verbatim, as it relates to them.

Also take into account that their guidebooks, while they can be utilized by everyone in some fashion, they are more suited to those that travel with a low to mid style of traveling. Some of us just don't travel that way. While somethings may appeal to many, others will have no interest in said activity, sport, excursion, sightseeing...etc.

Albeit, Lonely Plant, delivery good guidebooks (not anymore according to some), it is after all [b]just a guidebook, not the "Holy Grail",[/b] to traveling.

I finally clicked on the "bubba boy" report and started laughing. From March (or May) 2012 . WTF? I didn't get past the first line. Now I am sure it has some helpful tips for newbies but nothing anyone can't gather from a reading a few pages in the forum.

As a member of this forum, I post so others who might have the same mentality as I do get the info they require and in the same hope, I pick up some new tips.

Friends — do what makes you happy, post about it and move on. If someone wants some advice from your posts, they can DM you and can help them.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2569335][b]The longer I spend in Rio[/b], the more I head to the cheaper places and the prives, basically you can find some real gems for a fraction of the price of the expensive places.[/QUOTE]1. You either live there or can spend months on end there. You also like and relish the Hunt. I get it. Everyone can't do that. Some work or have other commitments that preclude them staying in Brazil for extended periods of time (which is most of the members on this forum). For the retired, independently wealthy, remote worker, permanent resident, and etc. You have the [B]Ability, Time and Desire[/B] to scour every nook and cranny for inexpensive gems.

2. Here is the thing. I respect how everyone on this forum spends their time in their pursuit, this is one of many reasons we travel. However, I will not denigrate anyone on what they spend regarding their pursuit and where they go to obtain it. There are some places I will go and some places I will not go, also my budget allows me to spend low or high, but I do not have the time to hunt everywhere for the sake of finding a gem.

3. I applaud anyone who can stay long term in country. RJ / SP are vast areas that probably have many venues to hunt of which many members are not aware of or do not want to travel to explore. But to those adventurous ones please just list the establishments or providers and members will decide if they want to partake if it provides [B]value[/B] to them.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2569380] There are plenty of guys who go off on a vacation who don't want to spend it standing up fucking in a place where they don't even want to take their shoes off. [/QUOTE]I am absolutely one of those guys!! LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2569398]Albeit, Lonely Plant, delivery good guidebooks (not anymore according to some), it is after all [b]just a guidebook, not the "Holy Grail",[/b] to traveling.[/QUOTE]

Yes

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2569465]I finally clicked on the "bubba boy" report and started laughing. From March (or May) 2012 . WTF? I didn't get past the first line. Now I am sure it has some helpful tips for newbies but nothing anyone can't gather from a reading a few pages in the forum.
[B]As a member of this forum, I post so others who might have the same mentality as I do get the info they require and in the same hope, I pick up some new tips.[/B]
[i][b]Friends do what makes you happy, post about it and move on. If someone wants some advice from your posts, they can DM you and can help them.[/b][/i][/QUOTE]

Yes, Yes, Well Stated.


With that being said I would like to move on from this subject.

Lyin' in a den in Bombay.

With a slack jaw and not much to say.

I said to the man, "Are you trying to tempt me?

Because I come from the land of plenty.

And he said:

Oh! Do you come from a land down under? (oh yeah, yeah).

Where women glow and men plunder.

Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? Aah.

You better run, you better take cover.

- Down Under, by Men at Work.

I attach to this post the Bubba Boy Guide 1 and 2. I quote Down Under, the classic rock ballad of Australia, the land of Bubba Boy. Now if you're going through a window, and a Aussie is behind you, you know you will have back up. The people of other lands, not so much.

As I have always said, the details must be updated by:

1. Reading [URL]GPArena.net[/URL] and for all of Brazil, GPGuia.

But, even though Facebag now owns zap, and Google is even bigger, and we are all hyperconnected, and the metro now goes to Barra (which is the first and most important update), the bubba boy guide remains the book of Genesis of the International Sex Guide. Indeed, Bubba who was in Brazil for 10 years, and last updated his guide in 2012, predated ISG in Brazil by a year.

Now, I don't have any real dispute with any of you. Anaggie did a fine job by getting bareback by bringing his tests and negotiating before hand BBFS. I like loiras / brancas just as much as Cane. I appreciate The Critic's well written remarks.

All I am saying is that the Bubba Boy's Guide is still the single best, single source, one document starting place. Now, any monger here is free to update these guides. I posted the word files. A enterprising monger could even make a google document out of them and make it a group project. Go for it.

The essential geography of Rio mongering, and the social dynamics between different classes of establishments is all there. It is better than that macumbo puritanical social science bullshit. [URL]economist.com[/URL] 's 2014 special report on why sex work should be legalized is still valid even though it is 7 years old, almost the 9 years that Bubba Boy's guide is.

Or we could cut and paste the major portions of the guide in the forum and edit them to death for the sake of all the new monger congregants to the church of hooker mongering.

It's just like that classic film, Breaker Morant, also about aussie's is still the best film of counterinsurgency. A film which also has fucking hookers in it.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2569335]This is straight from the Bubba Boy guide, a ISG member who spent 10 years in Brazil:

"An interesting point: The locals guys tend to go to Termas, primarily to drink and maybe grab a cheap feel, or several cheap feels. The majority won't take a girl to a cabine at all, they may or not be able to afford it, but know they can find something way cheaper elsewhere.

The longer I spend in Rio, the more I head to the cheaper places and the prives, basically you can find some real gems for a fraction of the price of the expensive places. The only downside is that the cheaper places tend to have less of a choice, this can be overcome by going to 2 or 3 on the same night..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2569380]And he would have had even more credibility if he had noted that many of those cheaper places would be seen as squalid and / or dirty by many a monger reading reports on this site (like Termas 502).[/QUOTE]This piqued my curiosity. I know Anaggie did not read the guide as he said so but have you read all Bubba's posts to come to this conclusion?

Bubba Boy lived in Brazil for 10 years, 2002-2012. He is an aussie. He has as much experience as this website and its longest posting members. I've posted both parts of the report, with these disclaimers:

1. Update the data by looking at GPArena ([URL]http://gparena.net/[/URL]), and GPGuia ([URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]) for all of Brazil. To include pricing, which locations are open, etc.

2. Brazilians are Brazilians, and BB's guide is as valid as the notebooks of the guy who founded Rio and Sao Paulo.

Lyin' in a den in Bombay.

With a slack jaw and not much to say.

I said to the man, "Are you trying to tempt me?

Because I come from the land of plenty.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2569539]This piqued my curiosity. I know Anaggie did not read the guide as he said so but have you read all Bubba's posts to come to this conclusion?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2569499]With that being said I would like to move on from this subject.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me too. But, some can't seem to let it go.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2569600]Yeah, me too. But, some can't seem to let it go.[/QUOTE]I can hardly wait for SinfullyKorean's Scandallo report.

[QUOTE=Global00;2568621]Next up is a new city of the beaten path in Goaina. Wish me luck.[/QUOTE]Always enjoying reading your trip report and have fun at Goaina.

If you have a chance, try Florianopolis.

[QUOTE=Global00;2568621]I spent Thursday through Saturday running through clinicas, boated and sugar babies including one laying next to me right now.

I'm staying at Mercure New York Time Square. It's walking distance to the clinicas and there are tons of local restaurants around. Paid $77 for 3 nights for modest king size bed room with everything in working order. I had no problem bring girls up which I usually brought up during the night. Didn't have to registered them and walked straight up to the hotel room. I will start off work the clinicas.

CLnica Prime.

I went around 2:30 pm on Thursday. Only one other guy there. About 9 girls presented. Mostly all thin brancas who look very girl next door. Nothing stood out to me (disclaimer: I like curves and none were found here). Didn't inquire about prices. Never returned. Didn't inquire about prices. Age range seem like early 20's to early 30's.[/QUOTE]Going on September for a month trip in SP. I would be glad to have the addresses. I don't speak Portuguese but very adapt with google maps + translator. Please be so kind to direct me the address of those nice clubs. Are there also outcalls massage clubs Body to body with happy ending? Than ks up in front and good read! Keep it up!

Much appreciated. I've visited Florianópolis a few years back and wrote a quick review of it. I try to visit a different city every time I'm come to Brazil. This place is a goal mine.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2570212]Always enjoying reading your trip report and have fun at Goaina.

If you have a chance, try Florianopolis.[/QUOTE]

You do it right. In RJ, you're 5 loads in first day, two in the prives, and then reasonable prices (391 r all in) in the tier 1 termas were solid.

Your hitting vm to pace yourself with the non pro is a good approach.

A man should never never masterbate in Brazil. When there is 12 dollar pussy 24/7 a brief uber or bus ride away, a man should never be pussy whipped.

[QUOTE=Global00;2570298]Much appreciated. I've visited Florianpolis a few years back and wrote a quick review of it. I try to visit a different city every time I'm come to Brazil. This place is a goal mine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2570243][B]Good news! [/B]


[I]Gabriella (9)[/I]

Gabriella's a shark, and it's my fault for letting her be one. She knows what kind of people are attracted to her and can probably smell newbie blood from a mile away. She has an innocent look, but the viciousness of an experienced shark. I made the mistake of telling her it was my first night. DON'T EVER TELL THEM IT'S YOUR FIRST NIGHT! Asians seem to prefer her looks. She said she's popular with Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese. She's about 5'3", barely any fat, and natural see's. She donned a light brown cashmere without a bra that accented her eraser sized nipples. We talked for a little bit. Kissing each other's faces, as I lightly fondle her breasts / nipples. She didn't object. Her English was good, one of the best I've heard in Brazil. She mentioned that some other guy wanted to talk to her, said he'd talk to her after his dinner but I'd already snatched her up. He kept looking our way. She quoted R1000 for upstairs. I countered with R500, but she told me that's only at Connection. In Scandallo, most girls don't go so low. She brought it down to R800, but I hate negotiating as it kills the mood for me. We talk for a bit more, communication is good, and I enjoy her company. So I buy her a drink. But after I buy the drink (moscow mule R80), she asks if I want to go upstairs. I tell her no. Then, she lays it on thick, saying it's rude to keep talking to a girl if you're going to decline her offer. That if you decide you're not going to take her upstairs, you should let her know. She said she lost a customer because of me. And yes, stupid me paid the simp tax: R100. I consider it my initiation fee. It won't be happening again. For me, it was worth just getting rid of her. I know it was a mistake to give her anything. I open my wallet, of course she wants more (R200). But I just give her the 100 and she leaves. I'm writing and admitting this in hopes other newbies don't repeat my mistake.

[/QUOTE]The only way to beat a shark at its own game is to be a shark of your own. Next time, tell her straightforward what you expect and how much you are willing to pay. Also, tell her that you will go upstairs on your own time and don't want to be pressured. Now she has a choice. Either stay with someone who is pretty much a sure thing or look for someone else. This way, she has to take a decision and the pressure is off your shoulders. She now has to entice you and work for it. In the end, if you and her don't click, she moves on if there is enough meat for her to pick and choose. If the supply of dudes are slim, she will stay.

Glad to hear Scandello is open till 4 am again. I will be hitting it up in my next trip in August.

Enjoyed reading all your reports and I appreciate your contributions.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2570243][B]Good news! [/B]

Scandallo is now open until 4 AM again. They just started yesterday. This probably means the Scandallo girls will not be moving to Connection at 9 PM.

Bad news is, my report will probably be a little disappointing. I've been spoiled by my sessions in clinicas and prives. I just don't see the value proposition in the boates. 90% of you guys will probably prefer boates due to the atmosphere and beautiful women. But not me. Here's my report:

...[/QUOTE]I'm grateful for your honest report. I have made many trips to SP but never visited Scandallo mainly because my intuition gave me the impression that was your experience. Steve and the Cane have sung the praises of Scandallo and on my next visit to SP I would do like you and see for myself.

Personally I would not have done like you and pay a girl who I decided not to go to the room with. Not sessioning her is your prerogative and part of the vagaries of her job, it would have been done to the garotas all the time expecially by Brazilian clientele. That being said I remembered an experience I had in Sharks FKK; I was chatting with a very friendly hot Romanian spinner. I normally do not spend much time talking before going to the zimmer but on this occasion I really enjoyed the conversation as she had a great sense of humor. After over an hour of chatting I spied a girl I had wanted to seriously bang but who was always occupied with some bloke or the other. I told the girl I was with that I got to go, she said she was offended that I spent so much time talking to her but was not taking her to the room, I offered her EUR 20 for her time but she refused.

My apologies. I meant to put the address. Here they are below. Also, look for Worldtravel69 maps. They have helped me tremendously.

CLínica Miruna.

Av. Miruna, 644 - Moema, São Paulo. SP, 04084-002, Brazil.

CLínica Abbobora.

Alameda dos Guaramomis, 1275 - Planalto Paulista, São Paulo. SP, 04076-012, Brazil.

CLínica Prime.

Av. Iraí, 511 - Moema, São Paulo. SP, 04082-001, Brazil.

CLínica Carinas.

Av. Dos Carinás, 439 - Indianópolis, São Paulo. SP, 04086-010, Brazil.

CLínica EnjoySpa.

Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279 - Parque Colonial, São Paulo. SP, 04610-060, Brazil.

CLínica Brooklin.

Are. Joaquim Guarani, 121 - Jardim das Acacias, São Paulo. SP, 04707-060, Brazil.

CLínica Kin (go all the way down the alley to the left).

Jardim das Acacias, São Paulo. State of São Paulo, 04707-080, Brazil.

CLínica Tangará (look for the blue door).

Are. Tangará, 200 - Vila Mariana, São Paulo. SP, 04019-030, Brazil.

[QUOTE=Napht;2570272]Going on September for a month trip in SP. I would be glad to have the addresses. I don't speak Portuguese but very adapt with google maps + translator. Please be so kind to direct me the address of those nice clubs. Are there also outcalls massage clubs Body to body with happy ending? Than ks up in front and good read! Keep it up![/QUOTE]

Much appreciated. Thanks for all the reports and you are a lucky man to live in paradise.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2570313]You do it right. In RJ, you're 5 loads in first day, two in the prives, and then reasonable prices (391 r all in) in the tier 1 termas were solid.

Your hitting vm to pace yourself with the non pro is a good approach.

A man should never never masterbate in Brazil. When there is 12 dollar pussy 24/7 a brief uber or bus ride away, a man should never be pussy whipped.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2570243]Gabriella's a shark, and it's my fault for letting her be one. She knows what kind of people are attracted to her and can probably smell newbie blood from a mile away. She has an innocent look, but the viciousness of an experienced shark. I made the mistake of telling her it was my first night. DON'T EVER TELL THEM IT'S YOUR FIRST NIGHT! Asians seem to prefer her looks. She said she's popular with Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese. She's about 5'3", barely any fat, and natural see's. She donned a light brown cashmere without a bra that accented her eraser sized nipples. We talked for a little bit. Kissing each other's faces, as I lightly fondle her breasts / nipples. She didn't object. Her English was good, one of the best I've heard in Brazil. She mentioned that some other guy wanted to talk to her, said he'd talk to her after his dinner but I'd already snatched her up. He kept looking our way. She quoted R1000 for upstairs. I countered with R500, but she told me that's only at Connection. In Scandallo, most girls don't go so low. She brought it down to R800, but I hate negotiating as it kills the mood for me. We talk for a bit more, communication is good, and I enjoy her company. So I buy her a drink. But after I buy the drink (moscow mule R80), she asks if I want to go upstairs. I tell her no. Then, she lays it on thick, saying it's rude to keep talking to a girl if you're going to decline her offer. That if you decide you're not going to take her upstairs, you should let her know. She said she lost a customer because of me. And yes, stupid me paid the simp tax: R100. I consider it my initiation fee. It won't be happening again. For me, it was worth just getting rid of her. I know it was a mistake to give her anything. I open my wallet, of course she wants more (R200). But I just give her the 100 and she leaves. I'm writing and admitting this in hopes other newbies don't repeat my mistake.[/QUOTE]Great, great reports SK. You paint a nice picture of what to expect at venues and how the negotiations and sex will go down.

Your experience with Gabriella is an interesting one that every monger should be prepared for. One of the downsides to the SP boates is the superstars might be able to get a couple sessions a night. The rooms are right there and they can get quickly back into action. Call them sharks if you wish, but don't forget these women are running a small commercial enterprise. The really cool girls are good at creating the allusion that they like hanging out at the club entertaining strange men. It's still not reality.

Anaggie gave good advice. Tell them what you expect, what you will pay and when you are ready. She can stay if she desires, but I wouldn't tie her down without giving her a commitment. That's just me. I am always cognizant of a girl's time in a boate. I kind of learned this at Help Disco, other discos around the world and the Rio termas. Generally, I don't lock down a girl until I'm certain she's the one. If a girl entertains me in the club, I will reward her by not jumping ship at the next hot girl that comes along. There often is a reward for me in the session for my loyalty. Even at a termas, I will tell a girl I'm going to chill, but I'll be ready in an hour. Most of the time they stay or come back. Fair enough.

As I said, there seems to be more time pressure with the superstars in a boate like Scandallo.

I am putting together plans to come to Sao Paolo next month, with my novia from Colombia and I had a few questions.

1. Anyone else have experience / issues bringing a girl from Colombia to Brazil? I've read that a passport is not needed, which is great because the process to get a passport in Antioquia has been an absolute cluster fuck.

2. I plan on bringing her to boates like Scandallo or Connection. I expect I won't have a problem getting in, but should I expect to pay extra to the garota to have a threesome? And would we have to rent a double occupancy room or soemthing? Are the garotas even open to going to the room with other girls?

3. Anyone have any experience bringing another girl to a Clinica? Is that even a possibility? Or will the logistics not work out (aka room too small, outside girls not allowed to enter, etc)?

Would love to get some perspecrives on this!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2570399]You paint a nice picture of what to expect at venues and how the negotiations and sex will go down.
Your experience with Gabriella is an interesting one that every monger should be prepared for. [/QUOTE]That's my only goal in writing that portion of the report. I knew people would say "you shouldn't have done that", etc. If it helps one other monger out of that situation, I've achieved my goal. I like what you said about making my intentions clear. I should've done that. I didn't think I was going to session that day, and I probably should've let her know, at the very least when she mentioned her price.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2570435]I am putting together plans to come to Sao Paolo next month, with my novia from Colombia and I had a few questions.[/QUOTE]Take a look at Global's post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2570348&viewfull=1#post2570348[/URL].

And WorldTravel's map: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map[/URL].

They're complimentary posts. If you look up the clinicas, you'll usually be able to find a WhatsApp number listed on their sites. You can ask the managers directly. Same goes for boates. Girl on girl action here seems to be a lot more common. And my ISG buddy had 3 somes in Prime clinica for about R300. So I can't imagine BYOB (babe) will be rejected.

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570523]This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. [/QUOTE]
LOL you're here to hobby, right? And the reason you're able to hobby here for so cheap is because of the income disparity. I've been in Moema the past 2 weeks (plus Rio), and I haven't noticed a bad smell. I think I noticed some bad smell passing a neighborhood while Ubering to Connection. But you're right. SP food is pretty expensive, relative to hotel and monger prices. A good meal typically costs $15-$20. I'm sure you can find better deals, but SP is a business district.

The same goes for any SEA country. I've been to Thailand and Vietnam. Both are MUCH worse as far as odor and sanitation goes.

Everything closing early is a major inconvenience. But that's due to covid restrictions. We're lucky to even be here at all considering how high Brazil's covid numbers are.

I'm more of a go with the flow, see the silver lining type of guy by nature. But I've thoroughly enjoyed my 2 week stay in Brazil and plan on living here soon.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2570527]If you think SP is bad, wait til you check out Rio. I've never felt unsafe in SP. But everyone in Rio tells me to be careful, including the hotel receptionist and a MAB'S garota, who kept checking over her shoulder as we were walking to my hotel.[/QUOTE]One always has to have his wits about him and be street smart in Rio (parts of Sampa too for that matter). But, you've got to consider that the economic damage from the pandemic has made everything much, much worse. People are suffering. People are desperate to survive. And desperate times make for desperate men. So, follow that MABs garota's example folks and keep watch over your backs!

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570523]This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.[/QUOTE]Are you sure your flight was not diverted?

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570523]This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.[/QUOTE]I have been to Buenos Aires a few times, stayed in some nice areas, and I recall the core of BA being really nice actually. And although I would be the first to stand up and say that Copacabana smells bad, I experienced no bad smells anywhere in Sao Paulo that I went. I've stayed in Moema each time, and felt quite safe walking around, even at night. Giant slum? No clue what you're talking about. Sampa has good parts and bad parts just like any other big city. I stay my ass in the good parts! So should you. And instead of complaining about the language, remember it's their country and not yours! The people aren't there to accommodate you. So, find a way to communicate effectively so that you can roll hard and handle your business! Brazilian people generally speaking (no pun intended) are quite friendly. Work with them, and they will work with you. I mean, I could be wrong, but initially you sound like the kind of traveler where if everything isn't the way it is back home, or something close to it, then it sucks and is no good. Enjoy the place for what it is, and what it has to offer. And in Brazil, that includes some the absolute baddest tutes in the entire world! Believe this.

Go to rj.

Beaches.

You express my disdain of SP well.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570523]This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.[/QUOTE]

What are your guys favorite hotels? I've seen a few positive mentions of Bourbon Convention.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570523]This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.[/QUOTE]Not to be glib, but Sao Paulo is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Just a giant Latina American concrete jungle. Mongers rate SP highly for mongering, but not tourist amenities. But just like Rio is not Miami, Sao Paulo is not New York City.

Yes, it seems restaurants and bars are overpriced for the country, but you are likely staying where many of the top 10% of Brazil lives. Jardim Paulista is an affluent area with some nice commercial streets lined with cafes and such just as there are in BA. Malls also seem to be a bigger deal here than in the States.

You mentioned that both SP and BA are "riddled with obstinance". I'm not exactly sure of the choice of words. Generally, Brazilians are more flexible and friendlier than Argentinians.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2570531]One always has to have his wits about him and be street smart in Rio (parts of Sampa too for that matter). But, you've got to consider that the economic damage from the pandemic has made everything much, much worse. People are suffering. People are desperate to survive. And desperate times make for desperate men. So, follow that MABs garota's example folks and keep watch over your backs![/QUOTE]This can't be reiterated enough. Don't fall prey to thoughts like your a big guy no one is going to fuck with me. The bad people know foreigners carry around more cash than most Brazilians make in a month or two.

It sounds like many mongers here start getting high on the monger lifestyle. Perhaps they have a few drinks in them. Listen to us. Uber even short distances! Don't look at your Google map and think "well, it's only a 10 minute walk."

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570523]This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you are in the wrong areas. Try spending time in Jardims, Itaim, Villa Nova Conceicao, Moema or Campo Belo (assuming you haven't). I've been walking around these areas. They can be very pleasant. No smells. Friendly people. Stop in at a padaria or lanchonette for a meal. The food is wholesome and cheap. I've mentioned a few decent, not overly expensive restaurants to visit in earlier posts. Last night I ate at Nagayama in Itaim. Great Japanese food. I didn't like São Paulo the first couple of times I visited. But give it a chance and explore. Learn some Portuguese. It's a really great city.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2570667]Not to be glib, but Sao Paulo is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Just a giant Latin American concrete jungle. Mongers rate SP highly for mongering, but not tourist amenities. But just like Rio is not Miami, Sao Paulo is not New York City.[/QUOTE]Could not have said it better myself! But, you do know that parts of New York City stink too right? Hahaha!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2570531]One always has to have his wits about him and be street smart in Rio (parts of Sampa too for that matter). But, you've got to consider that the economic damage from the pandemic has made everything much, much worse. People are suffering. People are desperate to survive. And desperate times make for desperate men. So, follow that MABs garota's example folks and keep watch over your backs![/QUOTE]Even Elisa Sanches got robbed outside a shopping mall when a thief took her new, expensive phone few months ago.

The poor people are hit hardest by the pandemic. Yesterday I sent some money to a NGO to help people in Heliopolis favela in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2567185]picked her from photoacompanhantes, Giovana Paes. I tell you why I went with her, despite her asking for quite a hefty sum BRL 400 without anal...One thing that distracted me was that her hair was fake. I love long hair and I know most have the extensions. In her case I learned she lost most of her natural hair in some incident in a hospital almost a year earlier. This was sad to hear and a bit of a downer. Health is hot, lack of health, whatever the reason, psychological or somatic, is a bit of a downer.

The PSE wasn't all that, and anyway her porn videos aren't really that professional hard core. The thing with her hair was a downer, didn't feel like pulling was an option nor really messing with it, I wish I had caught her earlier, the way she looked then.

But now that I wanted to share a link with you I noticed she actually might have returned to a more active status. So, when I'm back in the area I might hit her up just to continue that little thing we had going for a minute there.

Brazil calling: [URL]https://twitter.com/GiPaes2/status/1402167765692256259[/URL]..[/QUOTE]I had a session with her in the fall of 2019. Back then she was staying at Edifício São Paulo Suite Service on Rua Major Diogo, 39. And I can confirm lots of working girls do work out of there as I visited two more girls in that building. This building does have airbnb listings so it may be a good place to stay. There is a front desk and a document is needed to get in. Can't remember how much she charged me back then but she was just so so. Since she is a porn atriz, I had high expectations but she was a letdown. Either she was having a bad day or she wasn't into me, there was no PSE or GFE. She didn't have any makeup on, which was fine by me as I usually prefer a natural look over heavy makeup (as most Brazilian women have). She was still very cute and attractive nonetheless. Didn't notice anything wrong with her hair so this was perhaps before when she lost her hair. I say without makeup she was a solid 7, an 8 with. Performance wise, I've had hundreds in the clinicas that were way better than her.

Squid, not sure if she's still available as I only see her promoting her OF page on her twitter account now.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2570327]Good news![/QUOTE]Thank you for an informative and detail report. I am wondering if Scandello always has some girls like this. The original report is gone. I think you should try Colombia. It is also pretty cheap.

Alright then, here we are. My first sao paulo report. But first, a little housekeeping.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2570527]I've been to Thailand and Vietnam. Both are MUCH worse as far as odor and sanitation goes.

I've thoroughly enjoyed my 2 week stay in Brazil and plan on living here soon.[/QUOTE]I've been to thailand and can vouch emphatically. Just to clear things up, I LOVE Brazil. Please don't take my feelings about sao paulo to be extended towards Brazil as a whole. The culture is the best and the women are nothing short of par excellence.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2570570]I have been to Buenos Aires a few times, stayed in some nice areas, and I recall the core of BA being really nice actually. And although I would be the first to stand up and say that Copacabana smells bad, I experienced no bad smells anywhere in Sao Paulo that I went. I've stayed in Moema each time, and felt quite safe walking around, even at night. Giant slum? No clue what you're talking about. Sampa has good parts and bad parts just like any other big city. I stay my ass in the good parts! So should you. And instead of complaining about the language, remember it's their country and not yours! The people aren't there to accommodate you. So, find a way to communicate effectively so that you can roll hard and handle your business! Brazilian people generally speaking (no pun intended) are quite friendly. Work with them, and they will work with you. I mean, I could be wrong, but initially you sound like the kind of traveler where if everything isn't the way it is back home, or something close to it, then it sucks and is no good. Enjoy the place for what it is, and what it has to offer. And in Brazil, that includes some the absolute baddest tutes in the entire world! Believe this.[/QUOTE]Sage advice especially to future newcomers, and yes hands-down the baddest tutes on the planet. The smell is most pronounced on the drive to the center from GRU, when you really get to see just how much of the city is a slum. If you're riding uber / taxi, I recommend asking the driver to roll up the windows.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2570667]You mentioned that both SP and BA are "riddled with obstinance". I'm not exactly sure of the choice of words. Generally, Brazilians are more flexible and friendlier than Argentinians.[/QUOTE]100% I don't mean the people, brazilians are some of the friendliest people on earth. I mean more with logistics, protocols, and functionality.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2570682]Perhaps you are in the wrong areas. Try spending time in Jardims, Itaim, Villa Nova Conceicao, Moema or Campo Belo (assuming you haven't). I've been walking around these areas. They can be very pleasant. No smells. Friendly people. Stop in at a padaria or lanchonette for a meal. The food is wholesome and cheap. I've mentioned a few decent, not overly expensive restaurants to visit in earlier posts. Last night I ate at Nagayama in Itaim. Great Japanese food. I didn't like So Paulo the first couple of times I visited. But give it a chance and explore. Learn some Portuguese. It's a really great city.[/QUOTE]Bless your heart. I'm in campo bello *smiles.

Now to the good stuff, my report. I'll just start off by letting you guys read what I DM'd sinfullykorean.

[QUOTE]well its too late to try abboboras or a prive. im not sure how to get into the prives either, not sure how safe it is to be standing outside trying to buzz a number im unsure of and talk to someone who doesnt understand me through a speaker while the omnipresent ne'er-do-wells spy on... and close in. ill try one later, during the day.

for tonight i guess i'll go to scandellos and pop the SP cherry. its saturday night, this is the worst time to go to a club atmosphere, but the trip cant be any more discouraging than it already is. man i really miss the rio way, those termas are the best.[/QUOTE]Once I get to scandello, I went to the restaurant area where I was greeted with a sense of instant confusion. Do I just seat myself? How am I supposed to initiate contact with the girls? Am I even supposed to be the one to do that? Someone finally clued me in that the rules are, there are no hard and fast rules. Ok, cool. As I was sipping my drink just floored by the talent that was there, a sexy little thing came right up and sat down next to me. A traveling dancer hippie girl with well conditioned muscles by the name of "Natacha". We made chit chat (through google translator) over our feelings about sao paulo and then we went to a room. (she wanted 1000 but I countered 800 to which she agreed instantly, no hassles.) after DFK and bbj, she had me go over of the edge of the bed so she could handstand the ground and grind me upside down (with her legs wide open). Upon dismount she bent over and touched the floor, inviting me in, so we went at it that way for a bit. Then over to the bed for full missionary where she had me locked in a full guard until I tapped out, with a smile on my face. And hers too LOL. We spoke for a bit, exchanged numbers, and she's been texting me ever since. Maybe sao paulo is not without its charms.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570830]Alright then, here we are. My first sao paulo report. But first, a little housekeeping.

I've been to thailand and can vouch emphatically. Just to clear things up, I LOVE Brazil. Please don't take my feelings about sao paulo to be extended towards Brazil as a whole. The culture is the best and the women are nothing short of par excellence.

Sage advice especially to future newcomers, and yes hands-down the baddest tutes on the planet. The smell is most pronounced on the drive to the center from GRU, when you really get to see just how much of the city is a slum. If you're riding uber / taxi, I recommend asking the driver to roll up the windows.

100% I don't mean the people, brazilians are some of the friendliest people on earth. I mean more with logistics, protocols, and functionality.

Bless your heart. I'm in campo bello *smiles.

Now to the good stuff, my report. I'll just start off by letting you guys read what I DM'd sinfullykorean.

Once I get to scandello, I went to the restaurant area where I was greeted with a sense of instant confusion. Do I just seat myself? How am I supposed to initiate contact with the girls? Am I even supposed to be the one to do that? Someone finally clued me in that the rules are, there are no hard and fast rules. Ok, cool. As I was sipping my drink just floored by the talent that was there, a sexy little thing came right up and sat down next to me. A traveling dancer hippie girl with well conditioned muscles by the name of "Natacha". We made chit chat (through google translator) over our feelings about sao paulo and then we went to a room. (she wanted 1000 but I countered 800 to which she agreed instantly, no hassles.) after DFK and bbj, she had me go over of the edge of the bed so she could handstand the ground and grind me upside down (with her legs wide open). Upon dismount she bent over and touched the floor, inviting me in, so we went at it that way for a bit. Then over to the bed for full missionary where she had me locked in a full guard until I tapped out, with a smile on my face. And hers too LOL. We spoke for a bit, exchanged numbers, and she's been texting me ever since. Maybe sao paulo is not without its charms.[/QUOTE]So nice to hear a good Scandalo report. Seems like some guys are down on it of late but damn it's such a spectacle. Sounds like your girl was that spicy wildcat Brasileira I love. Prob could have guessed from the Gun and Garter tattoo. Very bad ass! I love her a bit!

I am sure you will be flamed for "overpaying" but fuck that noise. You pay what you think gets your hotttie to the room and never look back! Great job!

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2570830]Once I get to scandello, I went to the restaurant area where I was greeted with a sense of instant confusion. Do I just seat myself? How am I supposed to initiate contact with the girls? Am I even supposed to be the one to do that? Someone finally clued me in that the rules are, there are no hard and fast rules. Ok, cool. As I was sipping my drink just floored by the talent that was there, a sexy little thing came right up and sat down next to me. A traveling dancer hippie girl with well conditioned muscles by the name of "Natacha". We made chit chat (through google translator) over our feelings about sao paulo and then we went to a room. (she wanted 1000 but I countered 800 to which she agreed instantly, no hassles.) after DFK and bbj, she had me go over of the edge of the bed so she could handstand the ground and grind me upside down (with her legs wide open). Upon dismount she bent over and touched the floor, inviting me in, so we went at it that way for a bit. Then over to the bed for full missionary where she had me locked in a full guard until I tapped out, with a smile on my face. And hers too LOL. We spoke for a bit, exchanged numbers, and she's been texting me ever since. Maybe sao paulo is not without its charms.[/QUOTE]I'm glad Scandallo is back to its usual hours and that many guys are enjoying the girls. Keep it up guys so we can pitch in our help and not only keep the likes of Scandallo up but also the clinicas as well.

REALLY wanted to get a report for you guys tonight but the day just got away from me and I can't muster up the oompf to go out there and get laid. Man I even got dressed, threw on some cologne and everything LOL! I think part of it is that I don't want to be out too late here. Something about standing out in the cold in the empty street waiting for an uber just doesn't do it for me. Hell, half the restaurants are closed by 7 pm. I know its a reason but its no excuse when club Bahamas is open 24 h and is only 7 min ride away from where I stay.

No worries. I'll get started bright and early tomorrow and try to get 2 in somehow! Does anybody have the 411 on club Bahamas? I searched the forum to no avail, their website makes them seem pretty legit.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2571147]REALLY wanted to get a report for you guys tonight but the day just got away from me and I can't muster up the oompf to go out there and get laid. Man I even got dressed, threw on some cologne and everything LOL! I think part of it is that I don't want to be out too late here. Something about standing out in the cold in the empty street waiting for an uber just doesn't do it for me. Hell, half the restaurants are closed by 7 pm. I know its a reason but its no excuse when club Bahamas is open 24 h and is only 7 min ride away from where I stay.

No worries. I'll get started bright and early tomorrow and try to get 2 in somehow! Does anybody have the 411 on club Bahamas? I searched the forum to no avail, their website makes them seem pretty legit.[/QUOTE]Well, here's my write-up of my experience there. Others have had their own. You can do a search on this thread to read.

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[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2571147]REALLY wanted to get a report for you guys tonight but the day just got away from me and I can't muster up the oompf to go out there and get laid. Man I even got dressed, threw on some cologne and everything LOL! I think part of it is that I don't want to be out too late here. Something about standing out in the cold in the empty street waiting for an uber just doesn't do it for me. Hell, half the restaurants are closed by 7 pm. I know its a reason but its no excuse when club Bahamas is open 24 h and is only 7 min ride away from where I stay.

No worries. I'll get started bright and early tomorrow and try to get 2 in somehow! Does anybody have the 411 on club Bahamas? I searched the forum to no avail, their website makes them seem pretty legit.[/QUOTE]LOL Take things at your own pace. Sao Paulo is a bit chilly, especially at night as the wind seems to pick up. As Cane also mentioned, don't take your safety for granted just because you're in SP, either.

I think you started your experience right, at Connection. They have the hottest selections. And if you're only there for a week, you're not going to have time to filter out for the best deals, anyways. From what I've read here, 700-800 R / HR at Scandallo doesn't sound bad for a short time visitor.

Don't forget to check out the clinicas, too! There are about 6 within walking distance of each other in Moema: Prime, Abbobora, Mirunas, Enjoy, 57 House Friend's Club, and Carinas (sorted by my preference). It might take about an HR to visit each one by foot. Staff changes each day, and some of the popular ones might be busy when you visit. So it's worth repeating even if you don't find someone attractive on a given day.

I've written plenty on the sessions I had, so in this post, I'll share my experience on planning the trip and the overall expenses. The people are some of the friendliest (been to Korea, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Thailand, and Vietnam). I thought I'd see machismo and even racism (because it's so common in the US), but I hardly noticed it. At the very least, learn these two phrases: Obrigado (thank you) and Desculpa (I'm sorry, or excuse me).

[B]Flights[/B]

RT from LAX to SP was $534.50 on United, purchased for 42,758 chase rewards points. Chase also gave me 10% off on my hotel booking because I bought the plane ticket with points. The flight to and from SP via United was VERY pleasant. To SP, flight was about 35% capacity. I had a 3 seat window row all to myself for 10 hrs. On the way back, I had a 2 seat window row to myself for 9 hrs.

RT from SP to Rio was $40 airfare and $12 checked bag each way (which I didn't really need) for a total of $64. Plan on booking at least 3 weeks in advance for the best rates. $50 RT seems to be the regular price. For domestic flights, plan on getting to the airport about 1 to 1. 5 hrs in advance in case of language barriers, getting lost, security check, etc. I have this strange anxiety and stress until I pass security checks.

[B]Cash Exchange[/B]

You probably won't need cash right away (unless you're taking a taxi, which everyone discourages). If you DO want to exchange it at the airport for a little peace of mind, be prepared to lose 25% value on your conversion rate.

[B]Hotels[/B]

[I]Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera Hotel[/I]

$38 a night after fees in a Double Deluxe Executive suite. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera Hotel was SUPER convenient. Highly recommended for first time visitors. Internet speed was decent: 35 Mbps down, 10 Mbps up. Sound proofing was the best out of the 3 hotels I stayed in (Astoria in Rio, Tsue Palace in SP). It's within walking distance from 6 clinicas and club and next to the Ibirapuera mall. Ibirapuera mall has lots of shops, including 3 drug stores (you can get a PCR or antigen test on the 2nd floor: Drogaria Sao Paulo) and a currency exchange shop on the 3rd floor next to Itau bank. VIVO phone store (along with an English speaking manager) are also on the 3rd floor.

[I]Astoria Palace (Copacabana)[/I]

$50 per night after fees. This hotel is in a very convenient location. It has the Copacabana club, MAB's, and Dolce Vita all within walking distance. Internet speed was slightly lower than Bourbon's. Breakfast was included, and I enjoyed it 2 days out of 4. They serve coffee, juices, fruits, yogurt, cereal, pastries (including the cheese bread), sausages, scrambled eggs, and quiche.

But you can tell the hotel's pretty old. Rooms are very small. It had an old mildew smell when I walked in. And the worst thing was the noise. At first, I was on the 6th floor and I could hear all the noise from the restaurants outside until about 12-1 AM. The next day, I told them about the noise and they moved me to the 13th floor (top most floor of the hotel rooms). Great, friendly service. But, now I could hear the elevator clanking every time it moved. It sounded like gym weights slamming against each other, until 1 AM-2 AM. One inconvenience was trying to find a market close by.

[I]Tsue Palace Hotel[/I]

$40 per night. Found this place via AirBnb and just a few blocks away from the Bourbon hotel. It was nice and cozy. It has a a separated bedroom and living room, as well as a balcony. Internet was SUPER slow, 2 Mbps down and. 5 up. I asked the front desk what's up, and they told me that if I book via the hotel, the speed's faster (guess the hotel managed rooms are closer to the access point). Walls are very thin. I think they just don't have the insulation that blocks out noise. Instead, the walls are concrete and carry noise very well.

Lots of WGs seem to live here. Monthly rent is about R4000. I believe this includes housekeeping, internet, and utilities. Another ISGer told me he saw lots of WGs walking in and out as he sat in the lobby, when he stayed at Tsue Palace for a month. And as I was having dinner on my last day in SP at the restaurant next door (Terra Fruta), that buddy and I saw a very cute girl at another table. He asked her to join us for a bit. Turns out she also lived at Tsue Palace and told us she'll be headed to Scandallo after dinner. As I'm interested in short term leases, I asked her how much the rent is and she says R4100 per mo. I also verified later with the receptionist, who told me R4080 per mo.

[B]Phone[/B]

You won't be able to get a new line at the airport, unless you have a CPF number. I had to go to the Ibirapuera mall, 3rd floor. VIVO for $10/ mo with 5 GB data. But my data wasn't available for 2 days. This is a major inconvenience since almost everything you need to do is with data (eg. Uber, google translate, scanning QR code and online menus). You can use Google translate offline mode. But it's easier to have the app automatically transcribe AND translate for you, without needing to type everything in (can you imagine asking someone to type in their answers for you on your phone? Some members have suggested Google Fi. But Google Fi service was not as good as Verizon for me in the US. Also, VIVO's equivalent plan from Google Fi would cost me $70 ($20 base + $50 for 5 GB data) vs VIVO's $10. Data recharge on VIVO is also relatively cheap. Anyways, once you get over the initial inconvenience, it works great.

[B]Uber[/B]

Cost me $114 for 2 weeks. The most expensive trips were to the international airport ($10-$25) and Connection ($6-8) each way. Make sure you keep the windows rolled down and wear a mask inside UBER. Before you book your ride, there's an "agreement" clause in the app saying that you'll keep the window open (whenever possible) and you'll wear a mask. Drivers will rate you poorly if you don't.

[B]Food[/B]

If you're eating in a restaurant every day, it'll probably cost you about $10-$20 per meal. $20 would be splurging. I found most of the food to be ok, nothing spectacular. Unfortunately, I don't think I tried any ethnic Brazilian foods this time.