East China - Shanghai

Had a good night at Judys on Sunday evening. Will do a separate report later. Today was different.

Been said before but always worth a reminder for newbies here.

The bar scam.

Connected with a beauty in Tantan. Alarm bells rang when she said meet straight away. Little chat but wanted to meet. Decided fuck it and went for it.

Taxi to Hyatt on Bund and met her in reception. Lucy was there with her 'sister' Vivian waiting for me.

Off we went to a bar. At this point my spider senses were in full alert. We walked around a few streets and headed to The Lucky Bar. As we approached she took keys from her bag and unlocked the bar door. This was when I decided for sure was a scam where they would get me inside and then demand money and credit card information or be beaten up.

I stopped and said I know what this is and turned around.

Lucy followed me proclaiming her innocence. I kept walking. She kept following. I turned and made it clear in no uncertain terms or language that if she followed me I would physically remove her from my side.

Luckily I'm a big guy and physically fit and a martial arts instructor so I'm confident in my capabilities of staying safe and controlling unsafe situations.

So for all the newbies in Shanghai. Beware the bar / tea shop scam.

Fucked off to Xiantiandi for dinner and then back to hotel.

Stay safe everyone.

[QUOTE=Canyon11;2155212]Tina was standing at the entrance inside of Manhattan looking a little bit lost, so could be a reason that she is not used to Manhattan but rahther Judys. She told me she has been here since 10 pm so I took care of her at Manhatten and later on she took care of me at my place over in Pudong.

LT for 2000 DT after shower, 3 pops and an outstanding BJ in the morning and real GFE.

C11.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a enjoyable evening. My kind of vacation.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2155239]Ladies in their mid thirties and under 5 ft height will certainly agree for 1000 rmb two pops in Manhattan. Sadly I was not interested in these both types and was looking for the most sexier and taller ones. That's why I was quoted higher prices.[/QUOTE]

Prince, EVERY TIME I mention a girl that went for less than your quoted prices you take this up and post it again. You seem to want to find a reason why I find girls at 1000 and you don't.

They took 1000 because they were 30, they took a 1000 because they were short (and 27 and very hot if you read the other reviews on Tina from midwestern and Canyon11). They took 1000 because they are not your type. Heck, I had a girl that had pictures in a magazine that agreed to 2 pops for 1000. She showed me the magazine pictures of her walking the beach in a Bikini.

I have had very pretty girls take a 1000 and very pretty girls want more. I am no stud and I have posted many times some girls will and some girls won't. This board is about understanding the going rate, the low and the high. It is not about knowing how high you can spend. In all my mongering, I have never had one girl say "oh that's too much, give me less".

The other problem is we talk apples and oranges. You are quoting LT, I only do ST but ask for 2 pops. Most time I get it. If I don't I either compromise or move on.

Maybe the problem isn't with the girls that are willing to take 1000. Maybe the problem is how many girls are willing to go with you for 1000.
Or is that your concern when I post these rates? Do you take this as some personal attack on you? No girl would ever want someone else for less than they want Prince... right? These girls aren't machines. They will go with anyone but some they would prefer to go with.....

If you want to know what's possible ( on what to pay based on how things go and how bad you want her and if she won't budge).then make your own decision... then , listen to Sam.

if you want to know how much money a girl will take from you.... Then read the board. you will find both


SAM OUT.

They have a 588 stress relief massage.

Pre-crackdown, it was a room with shower, and a pretty young gal would give a sensuous oil massage with lots of attention to the groin and ass, but you had to tip 300 for a release. I know 588+300 is a ripoff, but the massage was so sensuous that it was worth it once in a while.

During crackdown, you had to shower in a separate shower room, and an average looking gal would give a massage with NO OIL, and you had to wear top and bottom PAJAMAS, and they also put a towel on top of the pajamas, and then, at the very end, she would ask if you wanted a release, and for 300, she'd reach under the PJs and quickly jack you off.

Post-crackdown, you still have to shower in the shower room, but the paper blue underwear is back, and so is the oil. My provider was ugly, but had nice legs, gave a very sensuous massage, massaging my entire package while I am facing down and facing up, she even rips off the blue underwear entirely, but when she asked me how much I'd tip for a release, I said 200, and she scoffed at it with a laugh and said no, then I offered 300 and she said never mind, and she proceeded to massage my legs, also sensuously, and she was done. WTF? Why forgo an easy 300 for 3 minutes of work?

My guess is that Americans visiting China for the first time, staying at the Crowne, must be over-tipping. But still, it doesn't make sense.

In other news, I rode a ride around the Ronghua block in Gubei, and everything still looks shut. I did see one MP on Golden Street with a middle-aged woman behind the door wearing a short black dress though, but I was not tempted. I guess Gubei is nowhere near returning to its old self. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know.

In the meantime, I will stick with Spring. I gave up on 76 Changshou. That place is not clean. I recently got sick immediately after a session.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2156211]They have a 588 stress relief massage.

Pwhen she asked me how much I'd tip for a release, I said 200, and she scoffed at it with a laugh and said no, then I offered 300 and she said never mind, and she proceeded to massage my legs, also sensuously, and she was done. WTF? Why forgo an easy 300 for 3 minutes of work?

.[/QUOTE]Its the nature of the 5 star hotels. I had a chinese girlfriend who worked at both western and chinese hotels. She would get 1000 RMB years ago for a hand job. (I know what you're thinking, that's what she told me). I believe this to be true. She was at the Raddison in Pudong. I stayed at the Marriot across the street and the hotel had a discount massage. She refused to do HJ for less than 900 tip as well.

At the Pudong airport hotel 7 years ago I was quoted 500 for BBBJ plus house fee for shitty non massage. I settled for he for 200.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2154587]
I used to love the hilton but this is so much better and you don't have to deal with Taxi gouging. There are stairs on the far side (from manhattans) that you can walk up as a short cut to going around front with your girl. You can find cheaper but not better for Mongering.

There are also mirrors around the bathtub in the bathroom in your room. ..... if you are so inclined to......... Uh....... You can figure it out.
It was Tina's idea actually.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Best sales pitch ever for the Portman!

Byebye Swissotel from now on.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2157239]Best sales pitch ever for the Portman!

Byebye Swissotel from now on.[/QUOTE]Staying at the Ritz Portman in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to this location. PM me if anyone wants to meet up on April 6th or 7th.

Finally found an MP downtown near Fumin Lu, they are a chain doing good business providing a whole range of veggie massages but they have a special option on the menu. PM me for the location.

Enjoyed a proper massage followed by a good prostate massage and HJ, damage 600 for two hours.

Just give us the place, I doubt Chinese police care much about MP with HJ right now.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2157633]Finally found an MP downtown near Fumin Lu, they are a chain doing good business providing a whole range of veggie massages but they have a special option on the menu. PM me for the location.

Enjoyed a proper massage followed by a good prostate massage and HJ, damage 600 for two hours.[/QUOTE]

Arrived Shanghai yesterday afternoon, came to the hotel for a quick shower and then off for German food for dinner.

Went to 148 Maoming Road Spring Massage, place didn't seem busy at all. Tipped the manager 50 RMB and told him I wanted a young girl with good service.

In walked a 38 KG spinner. Perfect for me. No English however. Gave a so so massage on the back and then went and propped my legs up on her legs and proceeded to tease the crap out of me.

Flip and the negotiations start. She wanted 300 to get naked, I countered with 300 for naked and BJ (I always get turned down here for extras like this), she countered with 500. I told her 500 for BJ and DATY. She told me through my translate app that she never allows that, but business must be slow as she settled on 300 for naked and DATY.

This girl was tiny! And perfect and tasted so fresh. 10 minutes and she was squirming all over the bed, as usual of a Chinese girl, no insertion of fingers, but when she got really excited I pushed one in and she exploded. She was so tight that a finger could barely fit.

She gave me her WeChat and we discussed her coming to my hotel on my day off. Of course she wants a fortune (5000 rmb) but we will see. She tells me business is very slow and she needs some money.

328 for the massage, and yes, the shower is still in the room.

Came back to the hotel to sleep and then headed to Judy's at 4:00 am, closing time and stood outside while the leftovers walked out. Tina and Lilly were two of the ones looking for a late night take-home. Tina offered 1000 rmb, but only one pop. I guess that being 400 am she didn't want to fuck until the afternoon. I really wasn't planning on taking anybody home unless the price and girl were right, so I talked to a few girls and one offered 500 rmb for a blow job, problem was when she smiled I feared for my little brother.

I headed back to the Swissotel and hung out out front smoking, it was 4:30 and saw a couple of gals leaving doing the walk of shame. One gal came over and got a cigarette, Lisa, 31 from HCMC, very pretty girl, maybe 50 kg of lust. She had a bad customer and just wanted to talk, I let her explain her situation and we chatted for about a half an hour. Never once did she pressure me to take her to my room or talk about money. She gave me her WeChat and I asked if she wanted to go to dinner and dancing tonight. She told me she had a German boyfriend that was back in Germany, and that she would like to go to dinner. She did say that no boom boom without pay, as that would be cheating on her boyfriend. These girls and the way they justify what they do. I told her dinner and dancing and then we would see, my bet is she doesn't follow through, but if she wants to go out for a normal night, I'll put the charm on and see what I can get.

Now it's so damn early, wish I knew of a 24 hour massage parlor close with happy ending.

Out of just trying to find a new spot in Jing'an, came across a MP that was probably a little too new at 491 Beijing Rd. Only 2 people recruited to work there so far, average / a little bit older for 8 or so rooms. The one I got. Not chosen, probably was based on taking turns. Didn't even have a routine really figured out yet, still trying to figure things out along the way. 298 for basic, 398 for nude, went with the hundred extra if only to avoid the awkwardness of her doing this for an hour in full winter get-up. Didn't seem to get much other benefit aside from body press (usually 'slide' would be the normal descriptor, but not quite apt in this case).

Might get better eventually with more people or a different one, hard to tell. Probably going to wait a bit before trying to find out.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2157633]Finally found an MP downtown near Fumin Lu, they are a chain doing good business providing a whole range of veggie massages but they have a special option on the menu. PM me for the location.

Enjoyed a proper massage followed by a good prostate massage and HJ, damage 600 for two hours.[/QUOTE]There's only 2 massage places near fumin lu. One is called Yili and the other is a Thai themed massage. Both are chains. You basically just tipped 2-300 for a HJ, It's just a HJ. Really don't think there's a need to pvt for info. If you want to help out others and share, especially since its just a location, then just share.

Happy Easter all!

K.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2157633]Finally found an MP downtown near Fumin Lu, they are a chain doing good business providing a whole range of veggie massages but they have a special option on the menu. PM me for the location.

Enjoyed a proper massage followed by a good prostate massage and HJ, damage 600 for two hours.[/QUOTE]You need to be a senior member to PM. You can just give the name of the chain here, and people can work on the locations for themselves, but honestly 600 RMB is a little high, even for 2 hours. The going rate at Spring or Fudi is 400 RMB for 90 minutes.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2156211]

In other news, I rode a ride around the Ronghua block in Gubei, and everything still looks shut. I did see one MP on Golden Street with a middle-aged woman behind the door wearing a short black dress though, but I was not tempted. I guess Gubei is nowhere near returning to its old self. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know.[/QUOTE]What is Golden Street?

[QUOTE=RobSH;2157910]You need to be a senior member to PM. You can just give the name of the chain here, and people can work on the locations for themselves, but honestly 600 RMB is a little high, even for 2 hours. The going rate at Spring or Fudi is 400 RMB for 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]Crossing with Julu Lu.

Haven't tried Spring yet so not sure if it Spring is basically a mediocre massage + HJ place or a legit massage place with a special menu option tended to by certain staff.

This place is the latter. If Spring is as well then that would be better value. Any opinions?

[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2157979]What is Golden Street?[/QUOTE]It is Huangjincheng Road, between Yili Road and Gubei Road. It's a a pedestrian street.

Hey everyone,

Had a bad experience in Home Inn hotel in shanghai, got a calling card under the door with the lady, sent her text messages using baidu translate. Girl shows up, 500 rmb, do our thing, and then she calls a dude up on the phone, and I don't understand what they saying, and she ends up typing 3000 in her phone, and I pretend to not understand. Luckily, I didn't have much on me and my bags were packed, so I just grabbed my bag and went to the lobby and checked out. , went to the better hotel across he street and checked in there.

Anyone know more detail about this scam? I thought it was pretty stupid, who is going to fall for a threat over the phone, and even if the people did show up, aren't they scared of the cameras? And why even do the deed, and not just try to extort upon entering the room. Be safe guys, the number on the card was 13xxxxxxx30, and the other number they used was 15xxxxxxx70.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2158054]Crossing with Julu Lu.

Haven't tried Spring yet so not sure if it Spring is basically a mediocre massage + HJ place or a legit massage place with a special menu option tended to by certain staff.

This place is the latter. If Spring is as well then that would be better value. Any opinions?[/QUOTE]Spring is (generally) good massage + HJ, with some special menu options tended by certain staff at certain locations.

Fudi is (generally) good massage +HJ. No special menu options possible.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2158054]Crossing with Julu Lu.

Haven't tried Spring yet so not sure if it Spring is basically a mediocre massage + HJ place or a legit massage place with a special menu option tended to by certain staff.

This place is the latter. If Spring is as well then that would be better value. Any opinions?[/QUOTE]Are the initials SDS? I must say, I am surprised extras were available.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2158395]Are the initials SDS? I must say, I am surprised extras were available.[/QUOTE]The place is called Tai xiang shou in Chinese. Never noticed an English name. It's above a restaurant called mustache, right on the corner.

Shanghai is nice good weather and while worry the about lack of saunas I got coco wechat and hooked up with cherry first night and she was phenomenal really hot time with cherry from shanghai nightlife and booking her was so painless met her down at the lobby brought her up it was cool coco is really good then I visited Manhattans with no expectations or rather low expectations and I got there early the place was packed with some Chinese guys at 9 but not nearly as full as it normally is most of the foreigners like me were at blind pig waiting I guess for things to pick up and girls to arrive but I went in and parked at a table because of a review I read here and it sort of work the out cause at 930 the place filled with girls lots of hot girls too I was feeling the vibe good music and by 10 pm all the tables were filled with Chinese guys because the economy is sort of doing well they get bottles at their table and the bar does really well from the Chinese they don't always take away but the house doesn't care once they sell drinks and no the girls can't move on they stay with the tables with bottles whether they get taken out or not so I met a girl you know how it goes she was hot we had some chemistry prices were kinda high but I took her out and it was amazing she wasn't a pillow queen we walked out to escape the taxis hustlers and it was a done deal good night get there early and park yourself at a table buy a drink or two for the house and it will be a good time.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2158135]It is Huangjincheng Road, between Yili Road and Gubei Road. It's a a pedestrian street.[/QUOTE]I went to the area and scoped it out. The Golden Road is, as you said, quite dry. YMMV, but on the face of it, the spas are either closed or legit.

I grabbed a coffee and I was walking back to Gubei Carrefour, when I saw an open area with several 'MASSAGE" signs. On closer inspection, all the lights were off, and they appeared to be closed. But I thought I saw some movement in one, so I sat on a bench, sipped my coffee and just observed. Surely enough, after a few minutes, I saw a guy walk directly to the spa, and as he approached, a girl in a short black skirt opened the door for him and locked it immediately after he entered.

So there's something going on.

I walked up to the door, and a different girl, this one in a white skirt, unlocked the door and let me in. She locked it behind me, said 'body massage?' and when I nodded, walked me past the reception, where several girls in various stages of undress / skimpyness were hanging around. They all smiled. The white skirt girl took me straight up to a small room with a bathroom / shower cubicle. I tried asking for a menu, but it seems only this 'body massage' is available, and the cost is CNY300. I wasn't very comfortable, was wondering if this was one of those places that the goons show up in, after the deed. It was quite clear that this was not a regular massage spa.

She asked me to take a shower, didn't offer a disposable pair of 'shorts', and wasn't shy about my nudity as I took a shower, so I knew I'd get something.

To cut a longish story short, she gave me a decent back massage, asked me to flip over, tapped my cock a few times and asked if I wanted anything else, by making a fist and pantomiming a handjob, pointing at her pussy, and pointing at her mouth. So pretty much all is on offer, handjob, blowjob or FS. Asking rates for the tip started at 200 for a HJ, 500 for a BJ and 1000 for FS. We agreed on 300 for a BJ and what followed was an unhurried, dynamite bareback deep-throat blowjob with CIM.

So in the final tally the house gets 300, no matter what, and 300 to the girl. Monica.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2158725]
I walked up to the door, and a different girl, this one in a white skirt, unlocked the door and let me in. She locked it behind me,...
[/QUOTE]Great report. There were earlier reports on here that some Gubei MPs were operating discreetly, and your report confirms it and provides additional good intel. My main concern is risk. They are obviously taking a risk, and thus so are you. But I suppose we are all taking some risk every time we hobby, haha. For what it's worth, the asking pricees in this area before the crackdown was often 300/500/800 for HJ / BJ / FS (maybe this was the foreigner pricing, but the MPs in this area were mostly there to cater to the Korean and Japanese crowd anyway), but it was easy to negotiate it down to 200/400/600. At some MPs, 500 was standard for FS. BTW, FS usually was an experience similar to BBS. Only difference was the shower before the deed and the massage after the deed. Maybe the service will be better, but I may not risk it for now.

These MPs have lights off for obvious reasons. No point giving too much detail in public unless you wan't to see them completly shut down.

Monday at Manhattans was not so good not as many girls because they tend to take Monday off after the busy weekend especially if they are one of the hotter girls that get taken out a lot or don't have a Chinese sugar daddy not many western guys on Monday the place was packed with local guys and they basically had all the prettiest and also younger girls with them so pickings were slim it was a fun night in terms of entertainment three live singers and some hot Gigi dancers in black fishnets do a few songs but generally lackluster from Sunday also seem to have issues with taxi drivers for three times in different taxis they refused to drop me close to the venue one guy made me walk a block and refused to go closer which is strange maybe they have reasons I will give address of the blind pig instead and hope that solves the problem maybe I should have done takeaway from shanghai nightlife instead. But girls in Manhattan speak good English which helps with the connection.

Dropped by Huashan road area last night just to have a feel.

Confirmed what was mentioned previously, stretch of bars with a few girls in each (looks wise 4 7/10).

All empty except for one tightly embraced Caucasian. Seems to be having fun.

Too quiet for my liking but most probably be back again to check it out over next few days.

Given that Steven and his assistant of SNG got busted, how can we be sure that the new nightlife setup is safe to use? Did any mongers get busted along with Steven and his assistant? I think Boag, who reported on here, got busted too. But how?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2159837]Given that Steven and his assistant of SNG got busted, how can we be sure that the new nightlife setup is safe to use? Did any mongers get busted along with Steven and his assistant? I think Boag, who reported on here, got busted too. But how?[/QUOTE]From what I was told SNG was taking a 30% cut on the girls, 10% for the assistant, 20% for Steven and had forced most of the girls to use the hotline in order to track the business and charge them the fees. It wasn't too difficult for the cops to catch the assistant and use the assistant to catch steven.

What happened to SNG can happend to any other pimp. And of course customers can be collateral damage.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2160046]From what I was told SNG was taking a 30% cut on the girls, 10% for the assistant, 20% for Steven and had forced most of the girls to use the hotline in order to track the business and charge them the fees. It wasn't too difficult for the cops to catch the assistant and use the assistant to catch steven.

What happened to SNG can happend to any other pimp. And of course customers can be collateral damage.[/QUOTE]I can't talk about the cut because Steven never told me (or I don't remember). Over beers, we discussed it once. The girls using the website hotline were not strong enough in english to talk to clients. The girls like Bevery, Cathy and others didn't need the hot line and paid a monthly fee for the site.

If you used wechat it was in the assistants phone when you messaged what / who you wanted. The phone was confiscated when they caught her. It was down hill from there.

Although I did partake on quite of few of the SNG girls, I always found Judy's and Manhattans a safer bet. One conversation, one girl, one cash transaction. I also like doing my shopping in person vs pictures on line

In Shanghai to find someone to go out with, have dinner or just a great time. Write a PM to me. I finally found someone, a real serendipity, I did have repeatedly now a very great and entertaining time.

She speaks fluent English, is in her early thirties and just easygoing and always entertaining. And on top very attractive.

I asked her if I can tell others about her: "why not, as long as they are gentlemen and entertaining".

More via PM.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2158393]Spring is (generally) good massage + HJ, with some special menu options tended by certain staff at certain locations.

Fudi is (generally) good massage +HJ. No special menu options possible.[/QUOTE]Hey RobSH,

Which Spring & Fudi location (s) are you referring to and is it an item that's on the menu? Is it inclusive, meaning no additional tip?

I went to a couple of Spring locations before, most recently the one on Jiaozhou Rd. , and didn't seem to offer it.

Previously the one on changning Road / loushanguan Road offered but no longer.

Never been to Fudi but seems like over the past year, there's quite a bit of locations as they have taken over other places and re-branded.

Today is a beautiful day and I feel like trying the first time a sauna in Shanghai. Does anyone have a recommendation where to go, or who to add for more details?

I'm quite new here!

[QUOTE=Peter109;2161077]Today is a beautiful day and I feel like trying the first time a sauna in Shanghai. Does anyone have a recommendation where to go, or who to add for more details?

I'm quite new here![/QUOTE]Yes, quite new clearly. You should read back over the last 10 pages or so.

[QUOTE=BlackJack888;2160303]Hey RobSH,

Which Spring & Fudi location (s) are you referring to and is it an item that's on the menu? Is it inclusive, meaning no additional tip?

I went to a couple of Spring locations before, most recently the one on Jiaozhou Rd. , and didn't seem to offer it.

Previously the one on changning Road / loushanguan Road offered but no longer.

Never been to Fudi but seems like over the past year, there's quite a bit of locations as they have taken over other places and re-branded.[/QUOTE]All Spring and Fudi locations should offer HJ as standard (make sure to select the massage that is around 350 RMB). Any possible extras will depend on girl, and so far, I've only had luck at a select few Springs with a select few girls. Extras require tips of course. Make sure to check Dianping to see if the shop is really a Fudi or Spring as many have changed hands recently since the crackdown.

Does anyone have the contact address for KD? I had to take a long break and delete all my contacts after my ex went through my phone

Stopped by both Kangding and Dongguan, both are closed. If anyone has any good recommendations, pm me please.

Stopped by a Spring Massage today after reserving with a girl I've seen a few times before: 24 yr old southern Chinese girl with a big ass, slim waist, and soft C cups.

Pretty slow day due to the holidays. She takes me to the furthest room and we go through the normal routine. Shower first, then back massage + oil massage and then pants off at around 50 minutes. Then she starts the slow tease where she massages around the groin and gently strokes your member until you're at full attention.

She doesn't do FS with people she doesn't know, but this time she agreed to 1 pop for 1500 (normally naked + BBBJ for 800).

She strips and we start off slow with some gentle fingering and deep kisses. Then a solid BBBJ for 5 minutes before I put a condom and we moved onto the main event. Went slow because she was worried I wouldn't fit, but after a few minutes she was taking the full length and was so wet that juices would splash out with every thrust. We fucked for a good 20 minutes in every position and she had to cover her mouth to keep the moans down (FS isn't actually allowed at Spring Massages). But I'm pretty sure if anyone walked by they would have heard.

I finish inside the condom and she takes it off and throws in a bag with the sauna shorts. Then we showered together and got dressed.

Massage + Oil: 328 + 40.

Extra Service: 1500.

Total Damage: 1868.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 8/10.

Sex: 9/10.

Massage: 7/10.

Would repeat: 10/10 This girl would go for around 1600-2000 in a sauna so overall decent value if you're willing to forsake the nuru / soapy you would get in a sauna. If you have a good reputation with the girl, she can pretty much skip the massage and just blow / fuck you for the entire session if you want.

[QUOTE=TheOtter;2162697]Stopped by both Kangding and Dongguan, both are closed. If anyone has any good recommendations, pm me please.[/QUOTE]Another person who should look back over the last 10 pages. It's a bad time for you to come out of retirement.

[QUOTE=TheOtter;2163054]Stopped by a Spring Massage today after reserving with a girl I've seen a few times before: 24 yr old southern Chinese girl with a big ass, slim waist, and soft C cups.

Pretty slow day due to the holidays. She takes me to the furthest room and we go through the normal routine. Shower first, then back massage + oil massage and then pants off at around 50 minutes. Then she starts the slow tease where she massages around the groin and gently strokes your member until you're at full attention.

She doesn't do FS with people she doesn't know, but this time she agreed to 1 pop for 1500 (normally naked + BBBJ for 800).

She strips and we start off slow with some gentle fingering and deep kisses. Then a solid BBBJ for 5 minutes before I put a condom and we moved onto the main event. Went slow because she was worried I wouldn't fit, but after a few minutes she was taking the full length and was so wet that juices would splash out with every thrust. We fucked for a good 20 minutes in every position and she had to cover her mouth to keep the moans down (FS isn't actually allowed at Spring Massages). But I'm pretty sure if anyone walked by they would have heard.

I finish inside the condom and she takes it off and throws in a bag with the sauna shorts. Then we showered together and got dressed.

Massage + Oil: 328 + 40.

Extra Service: 1500.

Total Damage: 1868.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 8/10.

Sex: 9/10.

Massage: 7/10.

Would repeat: 10/10 This girl would go for around 1600-2000 in a sauna so overall decent value if you're willing to forsake the nuru / soapy you would get in a sauna. If you have a good reputation with the girl, she can pretty much skip the massage and just blow / fuck you for the entire session if you want.[/QUOTE]FYI the normal rate I've been quoted at Spring for Massage + Naked + BJ was 400 RMB to 500 RMB. Very far from your 328+800=1128 RMB.

Your rates are *2 to *3 the usual price from this chain

[QUOTE=TheOtter;2162697]Stopped by both Kangding and Dongguan, both are closed. If anyone has any good recommendations, pm me please.[/QUOTE]I understand otters spend a large part of the winter under water.

How did you arrive at 800 tip for BBBJ and 1500 tip for FS? Seems very high. But I guess I shouldn't be critical. I've not gotten far with Spring girls. They keep telling me that FS is not available. Also, I guess I pay close to what you paid when I get a ST hotel and order someone from an agency.

[QUOTE=TheOtter;2163054]Stopped by a Spring Massage today after reserving with a girl I've seen a few times before: 24 yr old southern Chinese girl with a big ass, slim waist, and soft C cups.

Pretty slow day due to the holidays. She takes me to the furthest room and we go through the normal routine. Shower first, then back massage + oil massage and then pants off at around 50 minutes. Then she starts the slow tease where she massages around the groin and gently strokes your member until you're at full attention.

She doesn't do FS with people she doesn't know, but this time she agreed to 1 pop for 1500 (normally naked + BBBJ for 800).

She strips and we start off slow with some gentle fingering and deep kisses. Then a solid BBBJ for 5 minutes before I put a condom and we moved onto the main event. Went slow because she was worried I wouldn't fit, but after a few minutes she was taking the full length and was so wet that juices would splash out with every thrust. We fucked for a good 20 minutes in every position and she had to cover her mouth to keep the moans down (FS isn't actually allowed at Spring Massages). But I'm pretty sure if anyone walked by they would have heard.

I finish inside the condom and she takes it off and throws in a bag with the sauna shorts. Then we showered together and got dressed.

Massage + Oil: 328 + 40.

Extra Service: 1500.

Total Damage: 1868.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 8/10.

Sex: 9/10.

Massage: 7/10.

Would repeat: 10/10 This girl would go for around 1600-2000 in a sauna so overall decent value if you're willing to forsake the nuru / soapy you would get in a sauna. If you have a good reputation with the girl, she can pretty much skip the massage and just blow / fuck you for the entire session if you want.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2163341]FYI the normal rate I've been quoted at Spring for Massage + Naked + BJ was 400 RMB to 500 RMB. Very far from your 328+800=1128 RMB.

Your rates are *2 to *3 the usual price from this chain[/QUOTE]They used to have a 398 massage at some Spring Massages before the crackdown which included a naked oil body rub + shower together but I haven't found a place that offers it after the crackdown. But I haven't been to one where you could get a 298 massage and then get Naked + BJ for 200 RMB extra. Generally I get Naked + BJ for 400-500 extra. You must be a lot better at haggling prices than I am.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2163381]How did you arrive at 800 tip for BBBJ and 1500 tip for FS? Seems very high. But I guess I shouldn't be critical. I've not gotten far with Spring girls. They keep telling me that FS is not available. Also, I guess I pay close to what you paid when I get a ST hotel and order someone from an agency..[/QUOTE]It is high! Normally you can get BBBJ for around 300-500 extra at most locations IMO, with the prices for extras tend to varying based on shop location and the girl. For example, the WanPing shop is generally cheaper than the MaDang shop because management isn't as strict about giving out extras. But at the same time, a lot of Spring girls are strictly HJ or covered BJ and only a few (of the attractive ones) are willing to bang.

I pay this girl extra for BBBJ because she's one of the few people I've met that doesn't smoke and has straight white teeth (the thought of nasty yellow teeth scraping against my dick kills the mood a little). As for the price for FS, I went off of how much I would have paid for this girl in a sauna, which would be 1600-2000. There does seem to be a rise in terms of the prices because of the dry weather. The same girl told me she just got 2,000 for a BBBJ without KB from a local just the other day.

If interested in an escort, I can recommend Beverly. She is already mentionned below. PM me for her number.

And I see there are a lot more fish in the sea htere. [URL]http://classifieds.chinadaily.com/?view=ads&catid=9&subcatid=133&cityid=2&lang=en[/URL].

Surprisingly open.

Any views on how reliable these are generally? Any recommendations?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Yuiop69;2163763]If interested in an escort, I can recommend Beverly. She is already mentionned below. PM me for her number.

And I see there are a lot more fish in the sea htere. [URL]http://classifieds.chinadaily.com/?view=ads&catid=9&subcatid=133&cityid=2&lang=en[/URL].

Surprisingly open.

Any views on how reliable these are generally? Any recommendations?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are referring to Beverly Jones, then I concur she is great. She's probably the most well known escort in Shanghai. Very sweet. A true spinner physique. Best BBBJ ever. Will take CIM at the beginning ofsession and then she will relax with you for 20 minutes and then will boff for a 2nd pop. She will even book the ST hotel if you need it.

Started using the new Nightlife Online. So far so good. The operator Coco is also patient and nice. Won't bother with more details, as the girls are the same SNG girls, so you guys already know them.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2136581]I can't. But I can confirm the Portman is GF friendly (be discreet on your way in, walk to the elevators seperatley). I had no problem. Portman rate that I has was under 1000 rmb.

You also can't get any closer to the action at Judys and Manhattans![/QUOTE]Swissotel: no problem at all. Ladies / girls can register as Guest at the reception and get to the room by themselves. They only need to know room number, name of guest.

Caution: In one case the girl even received a key card! Better ask the girl if they did.

[QUOTE=FredFerb;2164319]Swissotel: no problem at all. Ladies / girls can register as Guest at the reception and get to the room by themselves. They only need to know room number, name of guest.

Caution: In one case the girl even received a key card! Better ask the girl if they did.[/QUOTE]LOL, if this is your definition of GF friendly hotel then EVERY hotel is GF friendly.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2163782]Started using the new Nightlife Online. So far so good. The operator Coco is also patient and nice. Won't bother with more details, as the girls are the same SNG girls, so you guys already know them.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link or contact info for this? Interested in checking it out. I tried to PM you, but your inbox is full—FYI.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2164859]Do you have a link or contact info for this? Interested in checking it out. I tried to PM you, but your inbox is fullFYI.[/QUOTE]Nevermind. Found it. Sorry to clutter things up here.

Bored girl, smoking hot, in a minidress sitting in the store. I get the feeling there's some p2 p action here. But what does the sign say?

Near Crowne Plaza Shanghai. I previously reported this place as being legit. I was wrong. The massage menu is legit, thus my previous error. They have a separate spa menu with 2 items, one for 398 and one for 598. The latter is 4 hands massage. Anyway, private shower, pretty decent and sensuous massage, and good and slow he. They'll ask for a tip and was always happy with 200. Yeah, it's expensive. But it was all unrushed with long buildup. I never bothered to get any of the girls' number, as I haven't gotten a hot one yet.

Reporting on a new spa place inside Greenland Jiulong Hotel (6th floor). This clearly used to be a Sauna location, but now it is strictly he only. The environment is quite nice though as a result and they are running a 298 RMB special, although you may need to book via the manager for this discount (PM for contact). The girl was pretty average, but I noticed a few stunners when I was there (I prebooked based on photos, and picked a dud) Service is somewhere between the old Spring 298 and 398 RMB options. It's a reasonably good experience while the discount lasts. After that. Well, probably not.

[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2164939]Bored girl, smoking hot, in a minidress sitting in the store. I get the feeling there's some p2 p action here. But what does the sign say?[/QUOTE]Use the Google Translate App (needs VPN of course).

Contin Health Museum (Massage Oil Pressure.

Honestly, I've found the places with the minidress girls at the door to be rip offs. But YMMV. Please report on your experience.

Sr member with long experience and record in Seoul making first foray to Shanghai this Thursday. I have that evening free for fun. Any reasonably nearby hunting grounds or other viable options? Recommendations appreciated and reciprocated. Particularly interested in PSE. TIA.

[QUOTE=Yuiop69;2163763]
I see there are a lot more fish in the sea htere. [URL]http://classifieds.chinadaily.com/?view=ads&catid=9&subcatid=133&cityid=2&lang=en[/URL].

Surprisingly open.

Any views on how reliable these are generally? Any recommendations?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Any ideas for a short time place where I can a lady in? In the past, I've had two experiences where the Love Hotels refused me.

[QUOTE=Yuiop69;2165217]Any ideas for a short time place where I can a lady in? In the past, I've had two experiences where the Love Hotels refused me.[/QUOTE]Try again. I also wasn't able to use the ST hotels during the crackdown. Also, I now book them for overnight on ctrip, but check out after the deed is done. Prices range from 250 to 500. I just meet the girl at the elevator or have them register. Finally, many ST hotels now require a resident permit if you are a foreigner.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2165230]Try again. I also wasn't able to use the ST hotels during the crackdown. Also, I now book them for overnight on ctrip, but check out after the deed is done. Prices range from 250 to 500. I just meet the girl at the elevator or have them register. Finally, many ST hotels now require a resident permit if you are a foreigner.[/QUOTE]I was wrong. I got denied at a Hanting Hotel today.

Hey guys,

I'm very new here but interested in massage places or maybe spas in Changning District or something close that will do 2 pops.

Just got back from SH last month and have to go back again in a week. Since I been doing this for close to 20 years, I have my favorites that I hook up with, over 20 nowadays. So I thought, should find some new ones. Searched Badoo and found a cute Viet. Contacted her, got on We Chat and she sent these to entice me, thought I would share. Will report back in two weeks and let you know how it went.

[QUOTE=Marty47;2167658]Just got back from SH last month and have to go back again in a week. Since I been doing this for close to 20 years, I have my favorites that I hook up with, over 20 nowadays. So I thought, should find some new ones. Searched Badoo and found a cute Viet. Contacted her, got on We Chat and she sent these to entice me, thought I would share. Will report back in two weeks and let you know how it went.[/QUOTE]

Hey, I know that girl! LOL.

wow, 20 years, i have been doing this for almost 10 in SH. i feel like i missed the best years

Hey guys,

Will be in Shanghai in a few weeks. Could anyone please let me know which MP offers Red rope service.

Appreciated.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2167675]Hey, I know that girl! LOL.

wow, 20 years, i have been doing this for almost 10 in SH. i feel like i missed the best years[/QUOTE]The more I read this forum more more I get excited about my upcoming trip back to Shanghai. I can't wait to report back on what I find.

Sam you going to be in sh week of April 23? Should have a drink.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2167675]Hey, I know that girl! LOL.

wow, 20 years, i have been doing this for almost 10 in SH. i feel like i missed the best years[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marty47;2168037]Sam you going to be in sh week of April 23? Should have a drink.[/QUOTE]There is a fantastic feature on the board called Private Messages.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2165158]
Honestly, I've found the places with the minidress girls at the door to be rip offs. But YMMV. Please report on your experience.[/QUOTE]I've found many in the past to be very nice places to visit. These days very few of these places keep the same dressing code as they prefer to keep a low profile.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2167675]Hey, I know that girl! LOL.

wow, 20 years, i have been doing this for almost 10 in SH. i feel like i missed the best years[/QUOTE]20 years ago. Well, no Viets back then, but Judy's and Manhattan already existed, with local catering.

[QUOTE=TedSzar;2167776]Hey guys,

Will be in Shanghai in a few weeks. Could anyone please let me know which MP offers Red rope service.

Appreciated.[/QUOTE]No more red robe in Shanghai. I think it has been banned after some serious accidents happened.

Lev.

Hey everyone,

I am an avid follower of ISG and am visiting Shanghai in 2 weeks. In the past I've used Rain twice, both times the service has been good when I called them to my hotel but the photos on the website are pretty deceptive, they're all at least 5 years older than the photos. Also rain is a bit expensive.

Would be great if you guys can help me with some good contacts for calling in the hotel. Am totally into the GFEs. And want some young college types.

Will be glad to reciprocate when in India. PM is active.

Cheers!

Hi All,

It's been a while since I was in Shanghai. I have been reading all the posts about windy weather in SH in the last year. Very disappointing. I am coming back in May and hoping that the Massage places on Shaanxi Lu and Changshou Lu are still in operation.

I stay near Gubei / Putuo and would appreciate any recent intel of places in that area; mostly happy massage places. I am not one to go with the girls from places like Manhattan.

I also recall reading a couple years ago about some dance halls where you could dance with various girls for about 20 RMB per dance and have some touchy, feely fun. Does anyone know if any of them are still in business?

I will post field reports as always.

Thanks all. Keep enjoying that sweet young flesh.

Doit.

I wish I had a better report, sincerely.

Ad on ChinaDaily Classifieds Post# A235828 with WeChat ID Passiontonight claimed repeatedly that she was the girl in the picture, wanted 1500 and for that I said yes.

She shows up miraculously 20 lbs heavier and with a serious face downgrade and tried to say she was the same girl.

I told her to pound pavement to hell with her taxi money.

Is there any service in SH with beautiful girls that isn't bait and switch BS?

I need a beautiful independent like a burger needs fries. Please help.

Unfortunately I have to go back to China for another 3 weeks. I will work in Songjiang (West Shanghai). Is there any action there. Since my Chinese ability is 0 I can only communicate in English and I found that in Shanghai the English ability is very very limited. For the rest everybody tried to rip me off so I hope to find a place where you don't get ripped off. Some tips are welcome. I might however stay in a hotel not to far from Zapata's where is always action.

[QUOTE=MacTheNight;2168954]I wish I had a better report, sincerely.

Ad on ChinaDaily Classifieds Post# A235828 with WeChat ID Passiontonight claimed repeatedly that she was the girl in the picture, wanted 1500 and for that I said yes.

She shows up miraculously 20 lbs heavier and with a serious face downgrade and tried to say she was the same girl.

I told her to pound pavement to hell with her taxi money.

Is there any service in SH with beautiful girls that isn't bait and switch BS?

I need a beautiful independent like a burger needs fries. Please help.[/QUOTE]Go to Manhattan and do the Vietnamese take out. I really think all other SH options are lame these days.

Hey guys, I'm back in Shanghai again, and glad to see that Manhattan is open again. It was shuttered when I was here in December. As an ABC, I only speak English, so these places are perfect for me.

Pulled a nice girl, Me-Kay (or something like that), 27 years old, pretty standard Viet. Smooth skin, full plump tits, spoke enough English to get by. Got her for 1200ST with a promise of bonus for good service. Started with a shower together but no fun there. I said that kissing was important to me, and she did do some, but not so much in a GFE way. I like a sensual foreplay, but she was kinda rushing to get the cover on. I finally had to forcefully tell her no, that I wanted it slower, and she did oblige. Pretty good BBBJ, and she was nice and tight, had CFS in several positions, best was jockey. Finally came long and hard in mish, with her tongue up in mine. She earned the bonus, and I was pretty happy with the experience.

Heading back to Judy's / Manhattan on Sunday evening, if anyone wants to meet up. I'll even spring for the first beer Just PM me.

Are.

[QUOTE=Member#2096;2169102]Unfortunately I have to go back to China for another 3 weeks. I will work in Songjiang (West Shanghai). Is there any action there. Since my Chinese ability is 0 I can only communicate in English and I found that in Shanghai the English ability is very very limited. For the rest everybody tried to rip me off so I hope to find a place where you don't get ripped off. Some tips are welcome. I might however stay in a hotel not to far from Zapata's where is always action.[/QUOTE]I've heard from the manager of Spring Massage in Songjiang that they offer the 398 RMB service. Could give that a try (read this forum for what that level of service is). You can find address by searching for "Chun" on Dianping app.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2169744]Hey guys, I'm back in Shanghai again, and glad to see that Manhattan is open again. It was shuttered when I was here in December. As an ABC, I only speak English, so these places are perfect for me.

Pulled a nice girl, Me-Kay (or something like that), 27 years old, pretty standard Viet. Smooth skin, full plump tits, spoke enough English to get by. Got her for 1200ST with a promise of bonus for good service. Started with a shower together but no fun there. I said that kissing was important to me, and she did do some, but not so much in a GFE way. I like a sensual foreplay, but she was kinda rushing to get the cover on. I finally had to forcefully tell her no, that I wanted it slower, and she did oblige. Pretty good BBBJ, and she was nice and tight, had CFS in several positions, best was jockey. Finally came long and hard in mish, with her tongue up in mine. She earned the bonus, and I was pretty happy with the experience.

Heading back to Judy's / Manhattan on Sunday evening, if anyone wants to meet up. I'll even spring for the first beer Just PM me.

Are.[/QUOTE]Good hunting. I don't arrive till next week so save me a few girls LOL.

[QUOTE=SexGuy2799;2168850]Hey everyone,

I am an avid follower of ISG and am visiting Shanghai in 2 weeks. In the past I've used Rain twice, both times the service has been good when I called them to my hotel but the photos on the website are pretty deceptive, they're all at least 5 years older than the photos. Also rain is a bit expensive.

Would be great if you guys can help me with some good contacts for calling in the hotel. Am totally into the GFEs. And want some young college types.

Will be glad to reciprocate when in India. PM is active.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Nighlife. Online. You will find many of previous SNG girls there. Not on the cheap side. But comparing to rain, more experienced, more professional service. Many. If not most. Of the services that the rain girls claim to provide are not correct. CIM. Nope, decent BBBJ. Nope, Rimming. Big NOPE, and so on.

In contrast: nighlife. Online. Yes to all the mentioned.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2164786]LOL, if this is your definition of GF friendly hotel then EVERY hotel is GF friendly.[/QUOTE]LOL, well, that may be related to the difference between a "senior member" and a "regular member" . What is the definition of GFE friendly hotel?

Friend of mine showed me a place on Fahuazhen, just west of intersection with Zhongdeqiao Lu. Only sign is "Spa". 15 minutes walk from Crown Plaza on Panyu or Longemont on Yanan Xi Lu. VIP Massage for 369, girl is nude and includes HJ. Been there 4 times; 3 time FS was offered for 300 tip. Girls better than average lookers -.

[QUOTE=FredFerb;2170058]LOL, well, that may be related to the difference between a "senior member" and a "regular member" . What is the definition of GFE friendly hotel?[/QUOTE]Girl friendly hotels do not ask you to sign the girl in. I actually used to stay at the Sheraton HongQiao. I would walk across the street to the massage parlor pick up my girl after work at midnite. Walk her back to my room for the night and the doorman would hit the elevator button for us. I was 48, she was 22. We surely didn't belong together. No worries at all. -girl friendly.

At the hilton, the doorman would stand in front of you and direct you to the counter to sign in. One time the girl was on her second round going to the hilton that evening. Hilton, unknown to me signed her in earlier with someone else. The Hilton informed me that if I signed her in again they were obligated to call the police as no woman should be signing into two different rooms in the same night. - not girl friendly.

At least they were customer friendly and told me

[QUOTE=FredFerb;2170055]Nighlife. Online. You will find many of previous SNG girls there. Not on the cheap side. But comparing to rain, more experienced, more professional service. Many. If not most. Of the services that the rain girls claim to provide are not correct. CIM. Nope, decent BBBJ. Nope, Rimming. Big NOPE, and so on.

In contrast: nighlife. Online. Yes to all the mentioned.[/QUOTE]I find Rain and SNG / NLO to be almost identical (for example, price and service are quite similar) with one exception. Rain is a mega psycho —— (rhymes with a unt). At one point, I had been with almost every Rain girl. I thought the service was pretty good. But there has been a lot of turnover. Some of the cutest girls I’ve ever boffed were Rain girls that have since left. The ones that remain, Jenny, Abbey, and Kitty, are all good. I had a major crush on Abbey because there was a dark side to her. Jenny is bubbly, but kind of a rusher. I once did a 3 some with Jenny and Abbey, but it was a bit rushed. Kitty is not that attractive, but she was GFE and a great lay, especially jockey. But I now stay away from Rain because she scares me for a couple of reasons, and maybe her current stable and service sux, as you say. Regarding, SNG / NLO, who do you recommend on there? I've been with most of them as well, and I'm not sure I'd rave about any. Some are nice and some are hot, but none are both. Let us know what you've found and enjoyed on NLO. I’m espe curious to know if we have similar tastes.

Went to Manhattan about 10 pm Saturday night, expected to be a dude fest but was pleasantly surprised to see a wide selection and not too many guys. Bought my obligatory drink, 50 RMB Heineken.

Selection really great. A true buyers market.

Narrowed in on a super cute spinner, Ly, 24 yrs old, goes back to Vietnam tomorrow.

Very bubbly, chatty, flirty, smelled good. Etc. We quickly agreed to 1500 for short time.

Taxi drivers scamming for 200/180/150 RMB but we waited for a legit metered taxi for a 50 RMB ride.

Back to hotel in Minhang. Total GFE. Her body was legendary. She danced for me. So nice. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, some momentary BB cowgirl sex to tease me into a cover. Which by the way slipped off during final stage doggie and oops, busted a tremendous nut inside the honey pot. She was totally cool about it.

For me Manhattan has been hit or miss, but tonight was a bullseye.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2170176]Girl friendly hotels do not ask you to sign the girl in. I actually used to stay at the Sheraton HongQiao. I would walk across the street to the massage parlor pick up my girl after work at midnite. Walk her back to my room for the night and the doorman would hit the elevator button for us. I was 48, she was 22. We surely didn't belong together. No worries at all. -girl friendly.

At the hilton, the doorman would stand in front of you and direct you to the counter to sign in. One time the girl was on her second round going to the hilton that evening. Hilton, unknown to me signed her in earlier with someone else. The Hilton informed me that if I signed her in again they were obligated to call the police as no woman should be signing into two different rooms in the same night. - not girl friendly.

At least they were customer friendly and told me[/QUOTE]I had good experience two years straight at Sheraton HongKou. A few of us returned from Manhattan each with a girl around mid night. Just walked over to the elevators and went on up. No questions asked. Same thing two years in a row. So I would say girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2170255]I had good experience two years straight at Sheraton HongKou. A few of us returned from Manhattan each with a girl around mid night. Just walked over to the elevators and went on up. No questions asked. Same thing two years in a row. So I would say girl friendly.[/QUOTE]I usually stay at the Hotel Equatorial, next to the old Hilton (now a Kun Lun hotel). Nice hotel, a little cheaper than the Hilton, close to the Judy's / Manhattan action and girl friendly. Just go straight in to elevators.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2168889]Hi All,

It's been a while since I was in Shanghai. I have been reading all the posts about windy weather in SH in the last year. Very disappointing. I am coming back in May and hoping that the Massage places on Shaanxi Lu and Changshou Lu are still in operation.

I stay near Gubei / Putuo and would appreciate any recent intel of places in that area; mostly happy massage places. I am not one to go with the girls from places like Manhattan.

I also recall reading a couple years ago about some dance halls where you could dance with various girls for about 20 RMB per dance and have some touchy, feely fun. Does anyone know if any of them are still in business?

I will post field reports as always.

Thanks all. Keep enjoying that sweet young flesh.

Doit.[/QUOTE]All closed I'm afraid. Can be accessed in smaller cities such as Suzhou or Chengdu but not Shanghai. Good luck!

Had a free afternoon so thought I'd try a delivery service. Read the recent posts about Nightlife. Online (the resurrected SNG) so I WeChat'd Coco. Booking was a breeze and TingTing was in my room 45 min later. She was just what I needed. A GND petite friendly girl with perky B's and a tight little slim body. Photos and prices on the site are accurate, and Coco considerately sent a current photo so I'd know her in the lobby (my hotel has a key card). And in the room she was a tiger, with some nice kissing, sexy massage, and lots of positions. Could have done without the fake moaning, but it was a great experience. I would certainly repeat and use Coco again.

Heading out later tonite to hang with a fellow ISGer at Judy's / Manhattan. Looking forward to another nice catch.

R.

Had a great time hanging out with Blacklisted. Always fun to compare stories with a fellow ISGer. We hit both Judy's and Manhattan, since he hadn't been there for a while, and there were lots of yummy choices at both. I thought quality was bit better at Manhattan, but since I took a girl from there earlier in the week, thought I would fish at Judy's. First girl I chatted up was sexy and sweet, but hilariously asked for 2 K for ST, and would only go down to 1800, so I bailed and kept looking.

By 11:30 pm I found and took out Anna, who attracted me with her tight, sexy red dress. She was slightly older at early 30's than my usual preference (I like them young, petite, natural tits), but all Asians look younger to me, so that was fine. She had a really nice body, I usually don't like enhanced tits but hers were soft and really well done. But her attitude was all GFE. Holding hands, kissing in taxi, really attentive and really wanted to be sure that I was happy. And I was. Excellent BBBJ just the way I like, starting in the shower and before and after sex. She was nice and tight, but I finished with CIM. Afterwards she gave me a firm massage. She wanted to stay LT, but I'm not an overnight guy, but I would definitely recommend her. Gave her a bonus for good service for 1600 total.

Heading out now, but looking forward to my next trip back to Shanghai (but before that, will be in Bogota and Sao Paulo for hobbying fun).

Enjoy, boys!

When you guys mention ST, is that based on time or number of pops?

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2170162]Friend of mine showed me a place on Fahuazhen, just west of intersection with Zhongdeqiao Lu. Only sign is "Spa". 15 minutes walk from Crown Plaza on Panyu or Longemont on Yanan Xi Lu. VIP Massage for 369, girl is nude and includes HJ. Been there 4 times; 3 time FS was offered for 300 tip. Girls better than average lookers -.[/QUOTE]I tried to look for this place today but couldn't find it. You sure It's on Fahuazhen, west of Zhongdeqiao? The only MP there is a place calked Neil Massage and they only had a standard 238 massage and no English menu.

Truly tiny. Petite isn't a strong enough word. Her English isn't that good, her face is a 5, and could use some dental work, but good attitude and service with a hot little body. Nice girl.

Action started in the shower, pretty nice. All she had to do was lean over a little LOL.

BBBJ and covered fun followed. Hitting that in doggy was surreal. And tight! Nice pampering and massage in between pops.

Overall good and unrushed experience, but I will not repeat. I'the recommend a trip to Manhattan instead for a better value.

Cheers!

Several months ago, I started asking MP girls for their wechats. Then later that day, I texted them, "can we have sex?" Obviously almost everyone said no, and for many different reasons. Eventually, a girl said okay, but after I kept telling her for many weeks how much I liked her and how beautiful she was, etc. She asked for 3000, LOL, but I talked her down and eventually she said okay to 2000, so I decided it might be worth it (she has a humongous rack). So on her day off she came to my hotel. At first she was nervous and I had to coax her clothes off and obviously she didn't know the usual drill (shower together, BJ, multiple positions, etc). So, we showered separately and she was pretty much a starfish in bed, but she obviously doesn't have sex everyday and so she actually seemed to enjoy it. She stayed for a couple of hours and I eventually had to kick her out. I then texted her later that from now on I will give her 1500. She said okay. I guess once a bridge is crossed then the price can go down. And, after all, she now realizes that I'm a normal decent guy. We met again for repeat fun. And now she texts me almost every day to chat and every night to say goodnight. She wants to meet me regularly on her days off. She asked me if she was my GF and I said sure. Eventually I will tell her I can only pay 1000. We'll see what she says. Then, recently, another MP girl who I've been texting for several months also finally relented and said she'd meet me at my hotel. Again, she didn't know what do when we met, and so we cuddled and I had to coax her clothes off and then she got really horny and the fun began. She was disappointed after I popped. Afterwards, she stayed in the room for 3 hours!, and I finally had to kick her out. She begged to stay longer, before her shift began 4 hours later, and I basically did a Charlie Sheen and paid her 2000 to leave. She said she didn't want money and wanted me to take her to dinners and movies and shopping and buy her gifts and be nice to her. But I paid her anyway as I wanted to establish a precedent so that she understood what this really was. Eventually I'll pay her less as we keep meeting. Anyway, just wanted to share my experience on trying to get MP girls for outcall fun. Persistence can pay off. And keep in mind that these girls have days off and probably don't have much to do on their off days and would be happy to make some extra money. I admit the conversion rate is very low, as I probably propositioned over a dozen MP girls (most strung me along for repeat visits to the MP, oh well, lesson learned). As an aside, I felt kinda safe, since I know where these girls work and so I assume their workplace has their ID on file. Would appreciate any constructive comments. Insults also welcome. I like learning from my ISG friends.

Last time I picked a girl from Manhattan was at least two years back or may be more when I got that super chick in 500 rmb st. I repeated her many times and shared her number with many here. Now she is in Viet settled with her BF but still in touch online like friends. Never had the guts to pick these average looking girls nowadays to pay 1500/2000/3000 rmbs when I can pick best of Uzbek, Russian beauties in just about 350 rmb st in my own country after reaching back in few days. On my personal opinion these girls getting that much amount is no sense. Market totally spoiled by Chinese locals in Manhattan.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2170808]Had a great time hanging out with Blacklisted. Always fun to compare stories with a fellow ISGer. We hit both Judy's and Manhattan, since he hadn't been there for a while, and there were lots of yummy choices at both. I thought quality was bit better at Manhattan, but since I took a girl from there earlier in the week, thought I would fish at Judy's. First girl I chatted up was sexy and sweet, but hilariously asked for 2 K for ST, and would only go down to 1800, so I bailed and kept looking.

By 11:30 pm I found and took out Anna, who attracted me with her tight, sexy red dress. She was slightly older at early 30's than my usual preference (I like them young, petite, natural tits), but all Asians look younger to me, so that was fine. She had a really nice body, I usually don't like enhanced tits but hers were soft and really well done. But her attitude was all GFE. Holding hands, kissing in taxi, really attentive and really wanted to be sure that I was happy. And I was. Excellent BBBJ just the way I like, starting in the shower and before and after sex. She was nice and tight, but I finished with CIM. Afterwards she gave me a firm massage. She wanted to stay LT, but I'm not an overnight guy, but I would definitely recommend her. Gave her a bonus for good service for 1600 total.[/QUOTE]

I've done the Spring circuit (think I've tried like 10 of them) and they're good for a massage (of mixed quality, usually decent, occasionally mediocre or outstanding) followed by a dynamite hand-job. At most, you can negotiate with the girls for more, depending on your paying capacity. It's comfortable and consistent, but with my income I can't afford to hit them more than once a fortnight, and I've got a larger appetite than that.

So I've been prowling around for an inexpensive MP where extras were on offer, that I could frequent more often.

After getting massaged (and spending a ludicrous amount of money) at a bunch of places, I've finally found something.

It's a non-fancy foot massage place that seems to cater primarily to Chinese clientele. I was passing by, wondering what this place was (the sign wasn't in English), when I noticed a picture of feet in a tub of water with rose petals. Obviously some kind of spa. Went in and asked for a massage. By gesturing, we communicated, and I was led into a small room and made to sit on a sofa. A girl (nothing special, late 20's to mid 30's, but a beautiful smile and smelled delightfully fresh) came in with a tub of hot water, put it down and had me put my feet in. She then took off her jacket, draped it on a hanger and then placed the hanger on a hook above the window on the door, effectively sealing the room from prying eyes. This was my first hint of something to come, because in my 'research' I've seen this trend: At almost all MPs the doors have windows. The windows are usually blocked by hanging clothing on hangers, over the window. When LE is cracking down, and the MP is in legit mode, the hangars are bare. When they're open to extras, the windows are blocked. I felt hopeful.

So she did the foot massage (which was good!) and it seemed like time was up, without any action. I was like wtf? So I used an app and asked if any other massages were available. She used her app and said a body massage was on offer. I told her I wanted this, expecting her to have me undress (thus far I was fully clothed with my pants pulled up so my feet could soak / be massaged), but she didn't. She fiddled with the sofa a little and it turned into a massage bed. The massage was sans lubricant, and through my clothes, but relaxing. Her touch was familiar but not blatantly sexual. Her hands often went high up my thigh, and unlike the massages I've had at high-end legit places, where they studiously avoid anything that may turn you on, the sides of her hands occasionally brushed against my cock and I started to get turned on. I waited to see if she'd notice, or do more, but she didn't. So after it happened a couple of times, I laughed, said 'sorry', and reached down to adjust myself, making it known that I was hard. She looked at my crotch, look at me and laughed. But she still didn't initiate anything, and kept doing as she had been. The fact was now out in the open though, and every time her hand brushed me, I'd sigh or laugh or groan playfully and she'd laugh too.

At one point, I was laying on my back while she sat next to me, massaging my shoulder. I (instinctively, without thinking) moved my hand so she had space, and rested it on her thigh. She didn't object. I started caressing her thigh. She didn't object. I moved my hand up and down her torso. She didn't object. Emboldened, I then moved my hand under her armpit and cupped a boob. She smiled. And didn't object.

So I put my hand on hers and moved it over my cock. She smiled at me, closed her eyes and began to caress my cock, over my jeans. But she wouldn't do anything more. We started using translation apps again to communicate. She just wouldn't do more. To cut a long story short, in this establishment, the owner disallows any sexual gratification. He seems to turn a somewhat blind eye to sexual arousal, but no gratification. I was aroused and frustrated, but excited that I'd discovered something. Went home and jerked off over the next few days with the image of her face, eyes closed, while she explored the contours of my cock.

I went back there today. Same routine: foot massage, body massage, and feeling each other up. I put my hands inside her bra, played with her nipples. Pulled her shirt down and kissed them, teased them with my tongue, while she caressed my dick. It was incredibly sensuous. It's hard to explain. I am a grown man, looking for sexual release, and here I was being felt up by this girl, like a teenager, and I was loving it. I wore track pants today, and boxers instead of briefs, so both her and I were feeling more. After a while, I raised the elastic of my tracks, and she slipped her hand in and wrapped it around my cock. What followed was the most exquisite and tantalizing slow hand-job I've ever had. I blew my load while sucking her tits and felt (deliciously) like I was 16 again.

CNY60 for a (surprisingly good) foot massage, add CNY60 for a (not brilliant, but very relaxing) body massage (no oil). Round it all off to CNY200 and I've found a place I can hit whenever the mood sets in. I'm confident I'll get her to blow me, eventually. Will keep you guys posted.

[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2171849]
CNY60 for a (surprisingly good) foot massage, add CNY60 for a (not brilliant, but very relaxing) body massage (no oil). Round it all off to CNY200 and I've found a place I can hit whenever the mood sets in. I'm confident I'll get her to blow me, eventually. Will keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]Based on your budget and based on what you want, why don't you go to 76 Changshou?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2171748]Several months ago, I started asking MP girls for their wechats. Then later that day, I texted them, "can we have sex?" Obviously almost everyone said no, and for many different reasons. Eventually, a girl said okay, but after I kept telling her for many weeks how much I liked her and how beautiful she was, etc. She asked for 3000, LOL, but I talked her down and eventually she said okay to 2000, so I decided it might be worth it (she has a humongous rack). So on her day off she came to my hotel. At first she was nervous and I had to coax her clothes off and obviously she didn't know the usual drill (shower together, BJ, multiple positions, etc). So, we showered separately and she was pretty much a starfish in bed, but she obviously doesn't have sex everyday and so she actually seemed to enjoy it. She stayed for a couple of hours and I eventually had to kick her out. I then texted her later that from now on I will give her 1500. She said okay. I guess once a bridge is crossed then the price can go down. And, after all, she now realizes that I'm a normal decent guy. We met again for repeat fun. And now she texts me almost every day to chat and every night to say goodnight. She wants to meet me regularly on her days off. She asked me if she was my GF and I said sure. Eventually I will tell her I can only pay 1000. We'll see what she says. Then, recently, another MP girl who I've been texting for several months also finally relented and said she'd meet me at my hotel. Again, she didn't know what do when we met, and so we cuddled and I had to coax her clothes off and then she got really horny and the fun began. She was disappointed after I popped. Afterwards, she stayed in the room for 3 hours!, and I finally had to kick her out. She begged to stay longer, before her shift began 4 hours later, and I basically did a Charlie Sheen and paid her 2000 to leave. .[/QUOTE]Hmmm. A normal decent guy eh. Sounds to me a bit like you're slightly taking advantage of the girls (even if they work in a MP), which isn't exactly what a decent guy would do.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2171748]She asked me if she was my GF and I said sure.

But I paid her anyway as I wanted to establish a precedent so that she understood what this really was.[/QUOTE]I believe you're sending very contradicting signals. Even if you're paying her, telling a girl she is your girl friend is sending very strong signals.

You will disappoint this girl at some point. It would have been much more simple to tell her you are friends with mutual benefits rather than positionning her as your girl friend.
While this girl is going to suffer some, you have to understand she may also try to make you suffer by making problems for you.

Just my 2 cents anyway since you're asking.

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Wandered about Putuo / Jingan area and found a number of BBS / MPs with their (glass) doors completely smashed. At least one place was definitely closed when it happened, as the door handles were still linked together with the lock and shards of glass all about the entrance. Not entirely sure what's going on, as some other places were still open for business and yet others were curtained up without incident.

Some places that I've never seen closed before seem to be on actual lockdown now, even the back doors are no-go. Saw one case of an external sign, protruding from the wall of the building, completely removed. It's the kind of job that would need power tools, with a rotary blade to cut through steel rods and such. Extreme.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2170520]Had a free afternoon so thought I'd try a delivery service. Read the recent posts about Nightlife. Online (the resurrected SNG) so I WeChat'd Coco. Booking was a breeze and TingTing was in my room 45 min later. She was just what I needed. A GND petite friendly girl with perky B's and a tight little slim body. Photos and prices on the site are accurate, and Coco considerately sent a current photo so I'd know her in the lobby (my hotel has a key card). And in the room she was a tiger, with some nice kissing, sexy massage, and lots of positions. Could have done without the fake moaning, but it was a great experience. I would certainly repeat and use Coco again.

Heading out later tonite to hang with a fellow ISGer at Judy's / Manhattan. Looking forward to another nice catch.

R.[/QUOTE]Good to hear she treated you well, she is a naught petite lady.

Her LS still bare?

Does anyone know if "999" Jiu Yuan Club still exists? If not, could anyone recommend some saunas similar to it?

The shop at the corner of Shaanxi Road and Changping Road has be destroyed. A worker there sent me videos. Inside the rooms and at the entrance all the glass hit with hammers. One on Xikang Road at Jiaozhou Road was semi legit. Boss closed it today. Must have been warned. Closed for one month in March-April.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2171870]Based on your budget and based on what you want, why don't you go to 76 Changshou?[/QUOTE]I intend to. But I live west of the airport, way out at the edge of town. Looking for somewhere I can get to in 5 - 10 minutes.

What's in 76 changshou?

I keep reading that Spring Massage is a good place to get a minimum of massage with he. Is this true? It looks like a chain, and if they offered this service, wouldn't they have been shutdown though?

Anyone recommend the ones in the Xuhui area? There's 2 around me.

TIA.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2172842]What's in 76 changshou?

I keep reading that Spring Massage is a good place to get a minimum of massage with he. Is this true? It looks like a chain, and if they offered this service, wouldn't they have been shutdown though?

Anyone recommend the ones in the Xuhui area? There's 2 around me.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Spring runs two completely separate divisions, with the other half being completely legit replete with the standard uniformed workers and even some male employees. Unlike some other places their menu isn't just a prop, so if you get cold feet asking about special service you can always go veg. During blackout seasons, presuming they haven't been shut down, this is the only thing on tap.

76 is more of a local flat-rate KB MP, oil isn't involved so massage. If any. Depends on how the person decides to use time.

After about a half year of closure / blackout mode, just noticed some Changning places with doors wide open, fully lit, neon sizes ablaze. Administration change finally settled?

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2172967]Spring runs two completely separate divisions, with the other half being completely legit replete with the standard uniformed workers and even some male employees. Unlike some other places their menu isn't just a prop, so if you get cold feet asking about special service you can always go veg. During blackout seasons, presuming they haven't been shut down, this is the only thing on tap.

76 is more of a local flat-rate KB MP, oil isn't involved so massage. If any. Depends on how the person decides to use time.

After about a half year of closure / blackout mode, just noticed some Changning places with doors wide open, fully lit, neon sizes ablaze. Administration change finally settled?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Is there somewhere I can find which gives extras? I used the dianping app, and they all look legit.

Have not contributed here in a while, and had an adventure this morning so I felt led to share it here and get back on track with my responsibilities to the brotherhood.

As my work grows and gets busier, I do not have the time to chase 'freebies' like I used to, and dating is a pain in the ass. I have satisfied myself with a couple of MP milfs I have known for ten years, who will come over at the drop of a hat for 800ST. Having known me this long, it is extremely nice being with them. We know each other well. BUt you know, sometimes the craving for strange can overcome us.

The other day I was at an event, and the 'look around' feature pinged and a cutie named Jojo was inviting me to her massage parlor. She said no sex, but to come and lets talk about it. (1565 Huashan Road Building 4, not far from Jiaotong Universtity Metro, photos attached) She was 26, tiny, I'd say 155, with a rock hard body, great be cups, and she had had a baby she admitted. I chose the 288 RMB 60 minute massage. The massage was the best I have had in a while, so I thought it must be veggie. However, when I grabbed her ass, she moved her pussy into my hand. In my broken mandarin, I asked about other services. Sex was definitely off the menu, but she agreed to remove clothes and enjoy BBBJ and 69 with me for a 500 RMB tip, but no sex in the store, she emphasized. The BBBJ and 69 and her moaning were as satisfying as the massage. After I left she pestered me to meet up again, especially at my house.

SO at the next opportunity when my wife was away, I invited her over for 1000 kuai short time. She was even sexier and funnier. And there was no massage, right to it. However this time she insisted on a CBJ and the kissing was just going through the motions. Thanks to the massive supply of Kamagra I brought from Thailand, I was eager anyway, and flipped her onto her back and began to bound. She was remarkably tight and seemed to enjoy it at first then complained of pain. I let her go with the promised fee, unsatisfied. She pesters me every day now and I ignore her. But for a great massage with a BBBJ ending, go see her. Ask for Jojo.

I am always browsing on TanTan, Tinder and Badoo. And I never expect the rate of return to mean much. For every ten 'matches' maybe 4 conversations will go anywhere, and maybe one will meet, and often that one is not aligned with what I am looking for. The rare few that make it into a WeChat conversation often have different expectations (or maybe I have just not yet learned how to speak to them yet).

So when Wendy, 23, about 162 from Guizhou, contacted me on Badoo I did not think anything much about it. She just arrived in Shanghai 2 months ago, living out in the boonies with her best friend and commuting in to work. However, her written English is great (not spoken well though) and at first I thought this is just another girl seeking Hongbao. She wanted to meet the night we chatted, with her GF too, as it was allegedly Wendy's birthday and they are 'poor girls. ' I assumed these were just young Chinese girls looking for a foreign meal ticket. BI ignored that and she never brought it up again, but continued to chat and send me photos.

Early this morning she sent me a message asking to meet today. I have time as it is a holiday weekend, but my wife is at home. I asked what she wanted to do and she replied "Shave you."

Okay.

My mind went in a different direction. "Some Tinder girl is going to have a knife at my open throat? No way!" Then she replied 'I am shaved too' - ohhhhh. I said no, obviously, as that would have required REAL creativity to explain to my wife why I am suddenly bald down there.

She said she wanted to make me happy, and how much would I tip her. I said 1000 and she agreed (maybe I could have gone less but seems standard). Since it is May holiday, my offices are closed up. I went in to work and she met me here at 10 am. Some of my colleagues are so hardcore that they work well into the night and sleep on bedrolls here. So I prepared one for my office.

I always had a fantasy of nailing a hot assistant in my office. This was a great morning. She refused to give any kind of BJ but loved DATY. Her kisses were sweet and real but after DATY she refused to let me kiss her. Understandable. Desk, floor, sofa, armchair, standing. She raised a bit of a ruckus and I was glad the floor was empty. After popping in the jimmy hat, we rested and made out a little, then she gave me a massage and spoke sweetly to me, kissing my cheek every few words. Eventually she left, but has been messaging me since that she has a crush on me and agreed to recruit her friend for my friend.

I am happy to share Jojo's massage parlor deets here and in the photos, but I will keep Wendy to myself for a bit.

Be safe out there!

Uncle Ira.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2172696]The shop at the corner of Shaanxi Road and Changping Road has be destroyed. A worker there sent me videos. Inside the rooms and at the entrance all the glass hit with hammers. One on Xikang Road at Jiaozhou Road was semi legit. Boss closed it today. Must have been warned. Closed for one month in March-April.[/QUOTE]Thats interesting because I had reported here a MP on Beijing road / shaanxi road that had been left opened during the big crack down for the Beijing summit last year. They were still running 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Passing by this week, I noticed that the signs were gone and the lights were off. Not sure if they went low profile or permanantly closed as I rarely went there.

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2172361]Wandered about Putuo / Jingan area and found a number of BBS / MPs with their (glass) doors completely smashed. At least one place was definitely closed when it happened, as the door handles were still linked together with the lock and shards of glass all about the entrance. [/QUOTE]Several MPs I go to in another district have had to remove their chinese name signs and only leave the english word massage, put black film on the windows to acts as if they were closed, and either use back doors or use the front one but lock the door each time someone goes in.

Some of them will soon have to shut down anyway because of the local administration is enforcing construction laws saying the door shouldn't be as big, there shouldn't be a door from to the outside to the street, but only inside the compound, etc. Based on their negociation they might reopen with a much more discreet appearance. Or close for good.

I'll be in Shanhai for a weekend trip, but it looks like a lot of my old saunas have ghosted. I tried going to the old SNG site, but it seems gone too. Must be a strong wind sweeping through Shanghai. I'm getting a feeling through some of the comments on here that it changed to NLO, but despite my best efforts I can't manage to find the new site. Could someone PM me the site, or a similar one that will point me to some active saunas, or even just tell me some of the ones you currently like.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=FantasticMax;2173177]I'll be in Shanhai for a weekend trip, but it looks like a lot of my old saunas have ghosted. I tried going to the old SNG site, but it seems gone too. Must be a strong wind sweeping through Shanghai. I'm getting a feeling through some of the comments on here that it changed to NLO, but despite my best efforts I can't manage to find the new site. Could someone PM me the site, or a similar one that will point me to some active saunas, or even just tell me some of the ones you currently like.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Check the classified, they have a post!

On a recent visit to Shanghai, a couple of weeks ago, I tried one of the Spring massage places with the 399 RMB option. I haven't been to Shanghai since before the crackdown last year, and I in the past I've been more interested in the saunas. Really, I wasn't expecting much, and didn't even ask about the service beforehand. The initial massage was not at all bad, so I was slightly surprised and happy when the girl stripped off before the flip. She gave a very erotic massage and HJ, with lots of tender touching, nipple kissing etc. And finished me rubbing my cock between her ass cheeks as she rode on top. Really very good, so much so that I didn't even ask for other services. It's the branch nearest and to the east of Hongqiao airport (I just searched on baidu maps).

TM.

[QUOTE=FantasticMax;2173177]I'll be in Shanhai for a weekend trip, but it looks like a lot of my old saunas have ghosted. I tried going to the old SNG site, but it seems gone too. Must be a strong wind sweeping through Shanghai. I'm getting a feeling through some of the comments on here that it changed to NLO, but despite my best efforts I can't manage to find the new site. Could someone PM me the site, or a similar one that will point me to some active saunas, or even just tell me some of the ones you currently like.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Most of the Saunas are indeed closed! The agents can be contacted through WeChat and they will send you a meeting point which will be close to a hotel in which they've either set up for a short time or taken up a floor to conduct their business. There's obviously no loud music and Fish bowl. You pick them from the room in which they're waiting ( Resting and smoking. Once paid for they'll lead you to another room, hopefully one that hasn't already been used, but you can't be sure. They'll replace the soapy with a vertical imitation in the shower before leading you to the bed. The services are little more expensive and the choice isn't always that great.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;2174208]On a recent visit to Shanghai, a couple of weeks ago, I tried one of the Spring massage places with the 399 RMB option. I haven't been to Shanghai since before the crackdown last year, and I in the past I've been more interested in the saunas. Really, I wasn't expecting much, and didn't even ask about the service beforehand. The initial massage was not at all bad, so I was slightly surprised and happy when the girl stripped off before the flip. She gave a very erotic massage and HJ, with lots of tender touching, nipple kissing etc. And finished me rubbing my cock between her ass cheeks as she rode on top. Really very good, so much so that I didn't even ask for other services. It's the branch nearest and to the east of Hongqiao airport (I just searched on baidu maps).

TM.[/QUOTE]Is it the one near Shuicheng Lu subway station? Speaking of Spring MPs, I have been to a few, and I always choose the most expensive massage (at least 336 rmb), and they always start giving me a HJ either before the flip of after, but they also always ask for a tip before I pop. Usually they are happy with 200, but to get their clothes off I had to go up to 300 or even 400. Are you guys getting HJs without having to tip? I can't speak Chinese, in case this factors into the equation.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2174344]Is it the one near Shuicheng Lu subway station? Speaking of Spring MPs, I have been to a few, and I always choose the most expensive massage (at least 336 rmb), and they always start giving me a HJ either before the flip of after, but they also always ask for a tip before I pop. Usually they are happy with 200, but to get their clothes off I had to go up to 300 or even 400. Are you guys getting HJs without having to tip? I can't speak Chinese, in case this factors into the equation.[/QUOTE]Yes the old 268 RMB & current 336 RMB fee is for HJ included.

You only have to tip if you wan't additional service (ie her taking upper or lower cloth off for easier roaming or more than a HJ).

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;2174208]On a recent visit to Shanghai, a couple of weeks ago, I tried one of the Spring massage places with the 399 RMB option. I haven't been to Shanghai since before the crackdown last year, and I in the past I've been more interested in the saunas. Really, I wasn't expecting much, and didn't even ask about the service beforehand. The initial massage was not at all bad, so I was slightly surprised and happy when the girl stripped off before the flip. She gave a very erotic massage and HJ, with lots of tender touching, nipple kissing etc. And finished me rubbing my cock between her ass cheeks as she rode on top. Really very good, so much so that I didn't even ask for other services. It's the branch nearest and to the east of Hongqiao airport (I just searched on baidu maps).

TM.[/QUOTE]That location shows up on my apps / maps all the time but I've never been able to find it. Can you help me with the location?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2171014]I tried to look for this place today but couldn't find it. You sure It's on Fahuazhen, west of Zhongdeqiao? The only MP there is a place calked Neil Massage and they only had a standard 238 massage and no English menu.[/QUOTE]It's maybe 50 yards before you get to Neil Massage. I was there 4 days ago, so still open. The spa sign was low, near the door. A bit discrete. There's a desk to the side when you walk in, usually a guy behind the desk.

I am tempted to try Spring on Shuicheng lu. As everywhere, the service largely depends on the provider. Any girl's "number" (or name) anyone could recommend at that place?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=IraJohnson;2173053]

The other day I was at an event, and the 'look around' feature pinged and a cutie named Jojo was inviting me to her massage parlor. She said no sex, but to come and lets talk about it. (1565 Huashan Road Building 4, not far from Jiaotong Universtity Metro, photos attached) She was 26, tiny, I'd say 155, with a rock hard body, great be cups, and she had had a baby she admitted. I chose the 288 RMB 60 minute massage. The massage was the best I have had in a while, so I thought it must be veggie. However, when I grabbed her ass, she moved her pussy into my hand. In my broken mandarin, I asked about other services. Sex was definitely off the menu, but she agreed to remove clothes and enjoy BBBJ and 69 with me for a 500 RMB tip, but no sex in the store, she emphasized. The BBBJ and 69 and her moaning were as satisfying as the massage. After I left she pestered me to meet up again, especially at my house.

SO at the next opportunity when my wife was away, I invited her over for 1000 kuai short time. She was even sexier and funnier. And there was no de out a little, then she gave me a massage and spoke sweetly to me, kissing my cheek every few words. Eventually she left, but has been messaging me since that she has a crush on me and agreed to recruit her friend for my friend.

I am happy to share Jojo's massage parlor deets here and in the photos.

Be safe out there!

Uncle Ira.[/QUOTE]I checked this place out at lunch time. Didn't ask for Jojo. Wanted to see what else was available. Paid 258 for lingham release massage. Place has a shower. Got a good oil massage and HJ from an older provider. May repeat and ask for Jojo or continue to see what I get. Tip was 200 and she let me roam and let me handle her huge jugs.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2174584]It's maybe 50 yards before you get to Neil Massage. I was there 4 days ago, so still open. The spa sign was low, near the door. A bit discrete. There's a desk to the side when you walk in, usually a guy behind the desk.[/QUOTE]I must be blind. I went back and still couldn't find it. I did see a couple of doors with no signs. Maybe your place opens late and just throws a sign outside the door when It's open. I went there in the afternoon, as I cannot monger at night. Wish you were a paid member on here so I could PM you. I feel a little bad cluttering up the board.

Are Swissotel and Portman still girl friendly?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2174391]That location shows up on my apps / maps all the time but I've never been able to find it. Can you help me with the location?[/QUOTE]I have not been there yet but I believe it is at the intersection of Xianxia Lu and Pingtang Lu.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2174650]I checked this place out at lunch time. Didn't ask for Jojo. Wanted to see what else was available. Paid 258 for lingham release massage. Place has a shower. Got a good oil massage and HJ from an older provider. May repeat and ask for Jojo or continue to see what I get. Tip was 200 and she let me roam and let me handle her huge jugs.[/QUOTE]Went there this afternoon. Place is well cared for. Didn't ask for JoJo. Enjoyed the massage from nr 6, older friendly lady. Chose the 1 hour oil massage at 268. Very good value for money. HJ with plenty of roaming opportunity on a busty, very firm ass, and quite moist enthusiastic lady. Good shower to end. 300 for tip. Will go back for sure.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2174717]I have not been there yet but I believe it is at the intersection of Xianxia Lu and Pingtang Lu.[/QUOTE]Oh that one. Been there.

[QUOTE=TedSzar;2174699]Are Swissotel and Portman still girl friendly?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Swiss, yes. Been here all week. Most amusing moment was judgemental looks from some chick in the elevator who was clearly with her husband (who could have been her dad). Yeah, judge me, gold digger.

I've been playing with the look around function on WeChat and MoMo and TanTan. Initially it's appeared easy, especially during the drought months.

Here's my experience which is formulaic and always follows a pattern. Many girls are happy to chat, but they're just improving their English or Chatting and that's going nowhere.

There are a lot of pimps posing as hot girls but the photos are so fake it's easy to sift through them.

I have on occasion called "the girl" over and they usually show up over an hour later than you call them over, she looks nothing like her pictures, is older and chubbier and a real problem to send off from the reception / door. Sex with her / them is at best quick and not very satisfying. They always ask for additional tips for every little service and that's a real put off. They always complain about how their boss isn't giving them anywhere near what you're paying and most of the time they're happy to leave as soon as you've paid them.

I've also met a few lovely looking girls who are happy to be getting into bed with a stranger after a little chit chat which is great!

However, this is a pattern too. First they want to meet you for a coffee, drink or worse dinner for which they undoubtedly want you to pay! Then they ask you for money to book a hotel room! Once in the room they ask for a Present / tip / HongBao! I have managed to postpone the request until after sex but the requests are even more pushy after sex. Sex itself is average! Both the girls I met at a hotel weren't willing to go down on me but were more than happy to ask for it. And both of them fell asleep after the first shot! I don't know if morning sex is on offer or not because I can't stay to find out! And these requests for shopping, handbags, presents and the like become a little annoying so I've blocked them. In short the professionals at saunas, from Manhattan and Judy's and from this websites recommendations are much better service and value for your money and peace of mind than DIY options.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2174344]Is it the one near Shuicheng Lu subway station? Speaking of Spring MPs, I have been to a few, and I always choose the most expensive massage (at least 336 rmb), and they always start giving me a HJ either before the flip of after, but they also always ask for a tip before I pop. Usually they are happy with 200, but to get their clothes off I had to go up to 300 or even 400. Are you guys getting HJs without having to tip? I can't speak Chinese, in case this factors into the equation.[/QUOTE]You can ask what's included in the package before started. Sometimes it needs to be tipped. However still better to agree in advance.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2174344]Is it the one near Shuicheng Lu subway station? Speaking of Spring MPs, I have been to a few, and I always choose the most expensive massage (at least 336 rmb), and they always start giving me a HJ either before the flip of after, but they also always ask for a tip before I pop. Usually they are happy with 200, but to get their clothes off I had to go up to 300 or even 400. Are you guys getting HJs without having to tip? I can't speak Chinese, in case this factors into the equation.[/QUOTE]Language is not the issue. Just ask for what's included in the package, or, agree on the services and tips before started. In some of the shops HJ or BBBJ is a standard. The one you went to seems not.

[QUOTE=TT2000;2175182]Language is not the issue. Just ask for what's included in the package, or, agree on the services and tips before started. In some of the shops HJ or BBBJ is a standard. The one you went to seems not.[/QUOTE]In which shops is BBBJ a standard offer? I've been to 3 or 4 of them and it wasn't offered. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2170193]I find Rain and SNG / NLO to be almost identical (for example, price and service are quite similar) with one exception. Rain is a mega psycho (rhymes with a unt). At one point, I had been with almost every Rain girl. I thought the service was pretty good. But there has been a lot of turnover. Some of the cutest girls Ive ever boffed were Rain girls that have since left. The ones that remain, Jenny, Abbey, and Kitty, are all good. I had a major crush on Abbey because there was a dark side to her. Jenny is bubbly, but kind of a rusher. I once did a 3 some with Jenny and Abbey, but it was a bit rushed. Kitty is not that attractive, but she was GFE and a great lay, especially jockey. But I now stay away from Rain because she scares me for a couple of reasons, and maybe her current stable and service sux, as you say. Regarding, SNG / NLO, who do you recommend on there? I've been with most of them as well, and I'm not sure I'd rave about any. Some are nice and some are hot, but none are both. Let us know what you've found and enjoyed on NLO. Im espe curious to know if we have similar tastes.[/QUOTE]Yes. I can totally agree. Rain a mega psycho. My last experience with her agency was 6 weeks ago. And she is still "stalking" me about it. I was not happy with the girls (had 2 appointments during my stay) - one of the girls clearly had extremely fishy smell once you begin penetrating. And the other girls was not a GFE but I would call a "VE" - "Virgin Experience" - totally inexperienced. I stopped after some time because I felt I would "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" her (which is not what I would like to do! She was really feeling bad, not a good experience for a client).

I gave feedback to rain. Kind of complaining. Now I am back home since weeks and she stills sends my messages. Insulting me, threatening to disclose my e-mail, wechat, etc. Pure Psycho!

Went back to one of my main saunas this week, 1st time back since the crackdown. Quality still high but pricing has skyrocketed. They said it's for protection, but who knows, might be lack of strong competition.

Anyway, experience reminded me why saunas can't be beat. Went with 900 series tall 22 year old from Hunan, 1 month in business. She was wonderfully enthusiastic and chatty, even suggested to me that I make her my mistress. Nearly model quality and had a great 70 minutes. Problem is, of course, price: I paid 2000, so north of US 300. Could have even gone up to S-series for another 300. I was hoping for 600- or 800-series, a little cheaper at 1500 and 1800 yuan, but didn't see anything I wanted. Same quality ass would have been 1300/1400 before the crackdown and maybe 900 yuan 3-4 years ago. Let's see if prices drop now.

I know will say too expensive, but this Hunan girl was beyond anything you'll get at Manhattan or Judy's. So if you want model or near-model looks, that seems to be the price.

It was the last night of my business trip and my flight wasn't leaving until 11 the following morning, so I went down (solo) to Judys. It was a Thursday night and the place was about two-thirds full, probably 60:40 girls / guys. No problem getting a drink. Table service is quick (but then you're a target)- or alternatively go to the bar which looks as if it's guarded by girls on the stools. I didn't think much of the dancers, but there was some nice eye-candy and a wide range of nationalities.

Got picked on by a couple of Afrikans (one 6/10 and one 8/10 "Grace" Was very tempted with Grace and she had a good lean body that she pressed real close. But it was too early and so I wiggled free. It was almost impossible to be incognito there. You get hassled all the time, so I quit and went over to MH.

Oh my God what a difference. Place was heaving, girls everywhere. Many very hot! Immediately got pounced on by well-built Thai. Can't remember her name but she had huge breast that I couldn't keep my eyes off. After stroking my bulging cock, she took my hand and slowly stroked it up her leg. Constant eye contact all the time, not a blink. Then she brought my hand under her short skirt and to her pantyline. O what a surprise. There wasn't any! Still 100% eye contact, no blinking, she put the tips of my fingers on her smooth wet shaved lips and started to gyrate.

I was slowly getting off, but we were right in the middle of the club floor surrounded by many many people. I had only been there like three minutes tops and I needed to know she was the one.

A not-so-subtle withdrawl and a pissed-off lady gave me a breathing space. The "I'm looking for my friend" excuse only has so much traction!

I found a (rare) seat and was soon joined by a very stylish and demur Viet in a sexy black jumpsuit. Not pushy at all, but a truly beautiful face (my kind of 10). She only wanted 1200 (it was late) so I decided she was to good to refuse. We had to push Mis No-Knicks to get out and then a short taxi ride back to my hotel.

Truth be told I was a little worried that I'd picked a ladyboy or someone a bit too 'wooden' but good as gold, she stripped off, took a shower and then took the slowest walk towards my bed, full stark naked! What followed was extremely hot.

Experience 10/10. Would I go back? Yes, later this month I'm coming back for more!

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2175770]Went back to one of my main saunas this week, 1st time back since the crackdown. Quality still high but pricing has skyrocketed. They said it's for protection, but who knows, might be lack of strong competition.

Anyway, experience reminded me why saunas can't be beat. Went with 900 series tall 22 year old from Hunan, 1 month in business. She was wonderfully enthusiastic and chatty, even suggested to me that I make her my mistress. Nearly model quality and had a great 70 minutes. Problem is, of course, price: I paid 2000, so north of US 300. Could have even gone up to S-series for another 300. I was hoping for 600- or 800-series, a little cheaper at 1500 and 1800 yuan, but didn't see anything I wanted. Same quality ass would have been 1300/1400 before the crackdown and maybe 900 yuan 3-4 years ago. Let's see if prices drop now.

I know will say too expensive, but this Hunan girl was beyond anything you'll get at Manhattan or Judy's. So if you want model or near-model looks, that seems to be the price.[/QUOTE]Where is this place / address? And you got a lineup?

Met with Kim last week and had a amazing time with her. She looks way better in person than on her pictures.

She was very enthusiastic and eager to please. She did OWO, CIM and after doing the deed we had a nice intelligent chat.

Would definitely recommend.

[URL]https://nightlife.online/girls/Kim[/URL]

[QUOTE=TommyGoat;2175850]It was the last night of my business trip and my flight wasn't leaving until 11 the following morning, so I went down (solo) to Judys. It was a Thursday night and the place was about two-thirds full, probably 60:40 girls / guys. No problem getting a drink. Table service is quick (but then you're a target)- or alternatively go to the bar which looks as if it's guarded by girls on the stools. I didn't think much of the dancers, but there was some nice eye-candy and a wide range of nationalities.

Got picked on by a couple of Afrikans (one 6/10 and one 8/10 "Grace" Was very tempted with Grace and she had a good lean body that she pressed real close. But it was too early and so I wiggled free. It was almost impossible to be incognito there. You get hassled all the time, so I quit and went over to MH.

Oh my God what a difference. Place was heaving, girls everywhere. Many very hot! Immediately got pounced on by well-built Thai. Can't remember her name but she had huge breast that I couldn't keep my eyes off. After stroking my bulging cock, she took my hand and slowly stroked it up her leg. Constant eye contact all the time, not a blink.[/QUOTE]Doh! I don't think I could have resisted pussy fingers girl, but more power to you. Manhattan is one of my favorite places on earth! A gaggle of gorgeous Viets all dying to bed you. I'm Jealous but love living vicariously. Thanks for the report and reinforcing my thoughts that Manhattan remains the best thing going in an otherwise constricted Shanghai P4P scene.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2176239]Where is this place / address? And you got a lineup?[/QUOTE]I can provide wechat for regular posters. Hard to use without Chinese, as there are no English speakers. It's near Xianxia (Beixinjing metro), not far from Shanghai Family United hospital, and they advertise quite a bit on the Chinese sites.

After a whole lot of walking, I finally found 76 Changshou Lu. When I read the previous report, I thought they were referring to the Changshou Lu Metro station. But, no, they were referring to the Jiangming Lu Station online 13, which is on Changshou Lu, but not near Changshou Lu station on line 7.

Anyone wanting more details can PM me.

By the time I found it, I was too tired to go in. Perhaps tomorrow. Anyone have a recommendation for who I should request?

Thanks.

Doit.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2176405]Doh! I don't think I could have resisted pussy fingers girl, but more power to you. Manhattan is one of my favorite places on earth! A gaggle of gorgeous Viets all dying to bed you. I'm Jealous but love living vicariously. Thanks for the report and reinforcing my thoughts that Manhattan remains the best thing going in an otherwise constricted Shanghai P4P scene.[/QUOTE]Yep, well she was hard to shake off. Followed me round the club for about 40 minutes before I finally got away. I never knew why the pussy was wet. She could have just come out the washroom for all I knew! Anyway if you want to check her out, I can't remember her name but she smokes these crazy thin cigar things (a cheroot? Report back if you get it together with her. She had a good figure, big rack, not skinny!

Anyway I'm back later this month so I might brave her myself!

I've been going to Shanghai off and on for the past 8 years. The Mongering scene in Shanghai has already changed a lot in that short time span (mostly downhill).

Eight years back, the girls in Manhattan were a healthy mix of nationalities, with many girls from the PI. Up until just last year, there was a great sauna scene in ShanghI, although prices were going up 10% every year. Up to just last year, happy ending MPs were plentiful and everywhere. Going 5 years back there were also many BBS. About two years ago there was even a vibrant dancehall scene in Shanghai.

But some people say that the scene in Shanghsi was even better 10+ and 20+ years ago. If any of readers lived through that, it would be great in you could send a detailed history of that era. Would be a very interesting read. Anyone up to the challenge?

In my walk the other night, I went by the old Buddha and 851 Shanxia locations. Buddha is completely gone, 851 is still there but glass doors locked from the inside with heavy curtains so I could not see if the inside had been damaged. Other places on Changping Lu also closed with lights off.

On a brighter note, after my long walk I decided to stop by an old place near Jinshiajiang Lu for just a foot massage. As I got into view, I was concerned because all the outside signs was gone. But, the door was open with light inside so I walked in. The girls were quite surprised to see a laowai but they took me to a room and sent in a tall girl with real cleavage and a short dress with stockings, who spoke zero English. Definitely the hottest girl in the place (body 8, face 6). With hand signals, convinced her I wanted foot massage.

A couple minutes later, my feet in hot water bucket with some salts, she sat spread wide with the stockings barely hiding her meimei. Foot massage began high up on my inner thigh. Within about 10 seconds she grabbed my didi and offered FS for 268. I was so tired and in need of foot massage, I resisted. I tried to ask how much for just BJ but she didn't understand and kept motioning to her mouth and meimei for 268. Had she dropped those stockings, she probably would have tipped me to the FS. An hour of relaxing and foot massage, I was ready to walk the rest of the way back to my hotel.

Didn't get her name or number. I did try to indicate I will return for the full treatment another day.

Members with multiple, real field reports are welcome to PM me for details.

Be safe, have fun.

Doit.

A worker at 851 Shaanxi North Road spa told me it would reopen June 1st. I went by yesterday to check out the outside. The glass doors were intact with the usual bicycle lock. The video she sent of an MP glass front door getting smashed was another location. The outside steps and 7-11 type store next door looked similar. The video of the trashed rooms looked like the ones at 851. I'll post again about this location if it opens again.

Hey all,

Reading the Shanghai forum for the past couple months and thought I should start contributing.

Sauna's- The old Dongguan Sauna (Next top Merchant's Bank at Henan Lu and Zhoujin Lu) that got shuttered during the crackdown looks to be in the process of renovation. They look to be going for a bit less shady / more upstanding branding than the previous version (added glass doors and a large sign saying massage spa). I'm not concerned that the place has gone completely legit as a lot of goons I used to see around the Donguan version are back supervising construction. It looks like its getting ready to open any day so I'll report back.

On the down market end of the spectrum I've been noticing an increased number low end oil massage places north of peoples square. On Beijing Lu and the other on Xinchang lu. Standard tug shop experience, feels like you're getting a great deal until they start negotiating tips, and then you feel like an idiot for not going to spring on Maoming lu. If you find yourself in an emergency in that area.

I haven't been back to Spring since they took the showers out of the rooms about 8 months back, any insights?

That's interesting. I visit Shanghai very infrequently and for small periods of time, and I was so disappointed when SNG went out. Have tried Rain 2 times and I would rate my experience 7/10. Good attitude, but not much experience or much assets. But overall, shanghai has become expensive. I miss the 1000 specials of SNG.

[QUOTE=JginSH;2176941]Hey all,

I haven't been back to Spring since they took the showers out of the rooms about 8 months back, any insights?[/QUOTE]I was at the Spring massage in Xuhui (there's 2 locations, I went to the wanping II location). If you tell them you want an oil massage, this location was 398, it comes standard with an HJ. She gave me an half a $$ed back oil massage before she started kissing me and dragging her lips on my body (10 minutes into the massage) and then flipped me over to give me the happy ending. She left me grab and suck her breasts while grabbing her ass. I played with her little sister outside of her pants, but when I tried to go inside, she stopped me. She also asked if she wanted me to have her use her mouth and also tried to sell me a 4 hands massage, pretty sure these were extra. Afterwards, she gave me a head, neck, and shoulders massage. Showers are still inside the room. I didn't have to tip. I also got a foot massage but I got a guy, and he was using too much force, I had to tell him too strong 3 times, he obviously didn't get the hint, but my feet felt amazing afterwards. I even took at a nap there afterwards.

Hi,

Last month I was in SH, century Park zone.

Reading about Spring spa, I decided to go to the closest one, in Pudong Street.

I paid the 338 rmb massage version.

Very nice place, beautiful girl. But.

The girl asked for more other 500 rmb of tip for HJ, without any possibility to reduce the amount.

So I gave up.

According to that I presume that there are different "categories" of Spring massage.

[QUOTE=ChinaGm;2177710]Hi,

Last month I was in SH, century Park zone.

Reading about Spring spa, I decided to go to the closest one, in Pudong Street.

I paid the 338 rmb massage version.

Very nice place, beautiful girl. But.

The girl asked for more other 500 rmb of tip for HJ, without any possibility to reduce the amount.

So I gave up.

According to that I presume that there are different "categories" of Spring massage.[/QUOTE]I have been to several Spring locations, and I always got the most expensive massage, around 336 rmb, and I always got asked for a large tip for HJ. I am pretty sure it is because I speak almost no Chinese and so the girl thinks I am a one-time client so she's got very little to lose by asking for a huge tip, like 300-500. At one place, the girl insisted on 500 tip and I said no and she strongly indicated it would be worth it, so I stupidly said okay because I was curious. I have to admit it was a good HJ and she did get almost entirely naked, but not worth 500 obviously. Afterwards, I asked for her wechat and she was surprised and gave it to me. The following week she sent me a message and asked me if I was still in Shanghai and I told her yes and she asked me to come see her. I told her she ripped me off. She apologized and told me to return. So I did. This time the HJ was longer and even better. I then offered her 200 and she was thrilled. And now she sends me a message every few days. She even came to work early one time to accomodate my schedule. So if you can pass as a potential regular customer then you can probably tip 100-200 or nothing at all. The main downside to collecting any girl's wechat is they then think you are their regular client and may be hurt or angry if you see another girl at their location, LOL.

[QUOTE=JginSH;2176941]Hey all,


I haven't been back to Spring since they took the showers out of the rooms about 8 months back, any insights?[/QUOTE]"The Ya'an / Zhaojiabang Spring didn't take the showers from the rooms and the 358 option is still on the unofficial books, even if the service is reduced to a basic he massage so they seem to have survived the inclement weather."

That's what I would have written two months ago after a previous visit. However I went last week and everything is different. The front desk staff were new and didn't really know the drill. The massage lady (more mature than the usual) turned up in the more traditional tunic found in veggie shops. The shower was still in the room, but I had to walk down the corridor to another room where all the furniture had been removed and use the shower there.

The massage, was excellent so I was beginning to think they had gone legit and, TBH, it was so good, I wouldn't have been that worried. However, after the flip, she started 'testing the waters' to see if I was interested in more. Then asked for a 400 tip. I managed to get that down to 200 and she gave me one of the best HEs that I've experienced at Spring.

So, physically a win-win but financially a bit of a fail. There's another place, not to far away that's more expensive than Spring where the service has been improving after the storms and where I have yet to be asked for tips. I'll go there for now. PM for details if you're interested.

So, is SH basically totally dead in terms of saunas? Any info appreciated.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;2178992]So, is SH basically totally dead in terms of saunas? Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]Many SN have reopen in low profile. If you have been there before or if you have old contact, maybe it is easy to get in through wechat or qq. I have a few old contacts. But I have to be careful to give out as I do not want the get then in trouble.

Jb.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2179030]Many SN have reopen in low profile. If you have been there before or if you have old contact, maybe it is easy to get in through wechat or qq. I have a few old contacts. But I have to be careful to give out as I do not want the get then in trouble.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Any advice on how to sample safely? Do they have new arrangements with the authorities or run the risk of a raid at any time.

Very interested now to try the top end models, but pricing for the outcall is crazy and am suspicious of b / S.

Came very close to visiting on last trip, if I go will report back!

I have been going to Spring massage for about 4 years now.

YMMV in each place. But I would say the Meridian massage (or oil massage for foreigners) includes he. No tip needed. But if you want them to touch them or do anything extra, then tips required.

My best experience was at the one on maoming lu. When I was on my stomach and she was standing near the top of the table by my head. She slips of her shoes and climbs onto the table. She straddles my head and is massaging downward onto my back. I could feel the warmth from her LS on the back of my head. She spreads her legs a bit more and her LS gets even closer to my head. While massaging my back. Eventually she is actually grinding her LS through her panties onto my head. It was pretty hot.

Flip over later and gives me a great HJ along with BBBJ for a 200 tip. It was great. I got her weixin contact. And then each time I wanted to go, I would ping her and have her schedule for me. So I would ensure to see her.

I think by about my 4th visit, we were basically just doing FS in the room for 60 minutes. Then I would tip her 500 and pay the massage (258 at the time for members).

If you build a repoire with the girls over multiple visits everything is on menu.

Had FS with another girl on my second visit at the spring on Jiang Ning Lu. She was very hot. Also got her wechat and set up second visit through her.

Had BBBJ from another girl on zhaojiebang lu on first visit.

I did visit the waping lu branch last week. Its 398 rmb now for he massage. Getting a bit steep.

Curious if anyone has any other new places to try. You can PM me if you want to share.

J.

Stopped in at a Spring Massage today. Followed advice of many on this forum visiting a Spring outside the city center. This one on the no. 2 metro line prior to Hongqiao airport. Then walked for a while.

Probably true you get more for your $ outside the center. Did 398 all included and was not pestered for tip. I like it that way. Regular massage (no horseplay), then she completely stripped, showered (in room) and seemed happy to do anything I wanted with her. Might have even been upset I didn't feel like screwing her.

Not a bad deal, I guess, but I really don't like the inability to choose from a lineup. Saw other providers while exiting that I would have preferred. No knockouts, of course, but more to my liking. Well, I guess that's what they give you for sixty bucks.

By the way, I'm getting hit up regularly for addresses of establishments I report on. That's cool, but I won't provide for those who have not posted their own helpful accounts for others. Surprised how many don't get that.

Arrived in Shanghai. I'm actually in PuXi area. Visited an old massage place on Xietu Rd near Shanghai stadium. Prices posted was only 188 RMB, but they also have a 328 RMB option. Management specifically said no tips. Price includes girl getting naked and BBBJCIM finish. She was mid / late 20's, short and HWP. Disclaimer, I'm Asian and speak fluent Chinese. Don't read Chinese so well though.

Would like to hit up Manhattan sometime, but would prefer going with someone. When I was in Manila, I just got super bored just scoping things out at similar bars (or maybe it's just not my thing, who knows).

Also, I flew from from San Jose, where in the preceding days, I saw 3 different K-girls (one repeat) at 220 USD / hour. If any contributing members go there, I can provide some info. Two girls where late 20's, MSOG, bbjcim, and full GFE spa treatment. Third girl was somewhat unique. Very early 20's (didn't bother with makeup), not so GFE / pfe, but super hot (I like petite spinners).

Also, hope my home VPN works for the duration of my stay. 2 years ago when I was here, it stopped working like after 2 weeks, which was a bummer. And I'm jet lagged, as its almost 3 am here. So I'm pretty screwed tomorrow.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2179405]Arrived in Shanghai. I'm actually in PuXi area. Visited an old massage place on Xietu Rd near Shanghai stadium. Prices posted was only 188 RMB, but they also have a 328 RMB option. Management specifically said no tips. Price includes girl getting naked and BBBJCIM finish. She was mid / late 20's, short and HWP. Disclaimer, I'm Asian and speak fluent Chinese. Don't read Chinese so well though.

Would like to hit up Manhattan sometime, but would prefer going with someone. When I was in Manila, I just got super bored just scoping things out at similar bars (or maybe it's just not my thing, who knows).

Also, I flew from from San Jose, where in the preceding days, I saw 3 different K-girls (one repeat) at 220 USD / hour. If any contributing members go there, I can provide some info. Two girls where late 20's, MSOG, bbjcim, and full GFE spa treatment. Third girl was somewhat unique. Very early 20's (didn't bother with makeup), not so GFE / pfe, but super hot (I like petite spinners).

Also, hope my home VPN works for the duration of my stay. 2 years ago when I was here, it stopped working like after 2 weeks, which was a bummer. And I'm jet lagged, as its almost 3 am here. So I'm pretty screwed tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I have not done Manilla so I can't compare, but Manhattan is unlike anywhere else I've been in a bar. You will not be bored. If anything you might feel a little intimidated. The girls are all interested in you and some can be pretty aggressive. I personally find it great fun. You just have to be firm if an aggressive girl is not your type and that can be hard with her grinding against you. It is a once in a lifetime experience IMO. I would not miss it if in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2179497]I have not done Manilla so I can't compare, but Manhattan is unlike anywhere else I've been in a bar. You will not be bored. If anything you might feel a little intimidated. The girls are all interested in you and some can be pretty aggressive. I personally find it great fun. You just have to be firm if an aggressive girl is not your type and that can be hard with her grinding against you. It is a once in a lifetime experience IMO. I would not miss it if in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Manhattan is pretty good for what it is. I'm not sure there's a bar in HCMC with the same Viet talent (though varies some from night to night).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2179497]I have not done Manilla so I can't compare, but Manhattan is unlike anywhere else I've been in a bar. You will not be bored. If anything you might feel a little intimidated. The girls are all interested in you and some can be pretty aggressive. I personally find it great fun. You just have to be firm if an aggressive girl is not your type and that can be hard with her grinding against you. It is a once in a lifetime experience IMO. I would not miss it if in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Beach Club in Kuala Lumpur is very similar to Manhattan, actually a little nicer because it's a bit bigger and more open to the outside. Also much cheaper for nice girls, especially Vietnamese, but all flavors.

Ipanema in Singapore is also a lot of fun, and similar. Prices range from 150-200 Singapore.

I certainly met a stunning Viet at Manhattan, and still chat with her. Priciest of the bunch.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2179731]Beach Club in Kuala Lumpur is very similar to Manhattan, actually a little nicer because it's a bit bigger and more open to the outside. Also much cheaper for nice girls, especially Vietnamese, but all flavors.

Ipanema in Singapore is also a lot of fun, and similar. Prices range from 150-200 Singapore.

I certainly met a stunning Viet at Manhattan, and still chat with her. Priciest of the bunch.[/QUOTE]I understand Der Xie. I used to love going to these takeout places when I didn't mind staying out late, but it's still better to go with a friend so you can drink with your buddy while eyeing the talent and pondering who to take home. If you go alone, you get hounded by one after another for a fast deal. For me, Ipanema in SG was an exception, since it had that Galaga video arcade game, so I had something to do while scouting the talent. I played that game for so many hours over so many years, LOL.

A friendly suggestion to my friends who cannot do outcall or takeout (because (1) wife is at home or (2) hotel is not girl friendly or (3) you're afraid of being seen), try asking the girl to book a short time hotel for you. I got the idea from the infamous Beverly Jones. She suggested it and that's how we always met. Chinese people can book a hotel for 4 hours for 100 RMB. (FYI, I tried to book them myself, but have been denied because I'm a foreigner). I have to admit, you may need to establish trust with a girl first. For example, I had to book a Hotel 168 a few times for the initial rendezvous, which set me back at least 250 RMB (and it's a hassle anyway). But once the girl knows you, you tell her you can only see her if she books the hotel that you'll reimburse. They often will oblige. And girls like Wenli (on classifieds) and the well known Hujing and Maria, and others, all booked the short time hotels for me from the very first encounter. For them, cancellation is fully refundable so they don't care if you flake on the date. Just a suggestion. Probably many of you are already doing this.

In regards to Manhattan, the intimidation factor is definitely a thing, but I think having a wingman puts a perspective in things. Namely, being with other like minded people may prevent an otherwise lone person from doing something stupid. I would definitely check it out solo, but would prefer to go with someone. Will try this weekend (Friday / Saturday).

Also, it's nice that they blocked my home VPN already (signed up for another service encrypts the handshake). Ironically, my work VPN is also blocked (which has never happened before). I may switch hotels if that's the case.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2179827]In regards to Manhattan, the intimidation factor is definitely a thing, but I think having a wingman puts a perspective in things. Namely, being with other like minded people may prevent an otherwise lone person from doing something stupid. I would definitely check it out solo, but would prefer to go with someone. Will try this weekend (Friday / Saturday).

Also, it's nice that they blocked my home VPN already (signed up for another service encrypts the handshake). Ironically, my work VPN is also blocked (which has never happened before). I may switch hotels if that's the case.[/QUOTE]Suggest you take a taxi to the Blind Pig which is literally 100 feet away. Nice bar. Have a Jack and Coke or two maybe some BBQ and you will be good to brave the onslaught. A little social lubrication really sets you up for a good night.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2179748]A friendly suggestion to my friends who cannot do outcall or takeout (because (1) wife is at home or (2) hotel is not girl friendly or (3) you're afraid of being seen), try asking the girl to book a short time hotel for you. I got the idea from the infamous Beverly Jones. She suggested it and that's how we always met. Chinese people can book a hotel for 4 hours for 100 RMB. (FYI, I tried to book them myself, but have been denied because I'm a foreigner). I have to admit, you may need to establish trust with a girl first. For example, I had to book a Hotel 168 a few times for the initial rendezvous, which set me back at least 250 RMB (and it's a hassle anyway). But once the girl knows you, you tell her you can only see her if she books the hotel that you'll reimburse. They often will oblige. And girls like Wenli (on classifieds) and the well known Hujing and Maria, and others, all booked the short time hotels for me from the very first encounter. For them, cancellation is fully refundable so they don't care if you flake on the date. Just a suggestion. Probably many of you are already doing this.[/QUOTE]It's a good suggestion but might not work as well with the foreign talent in Manhattan and Judy's.

Judys and Manhattan have IMHO taken a dive. Who wants to go to a place where you pay about US rates for a choice of women from 1 COUNTRY? The prices are way over the odds for what you are getting. Now I have no problem with Vietnamese women at all they can be super hot but when I am in China I do like at least some local flavours too. The fun is not only after you choose but rather is to be had chatting with your mates with girls hanging of every part of you and the furniture. I get that, but gone are the days however when Shanghai was the fun capital of the world.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2176832]I've been going to Shanghai off and on for the past 8 years. The Mongering scene in Shanghai has already changed a lot in that short time span (mostly downhill).[/QUOTE]PB2 K, we've been in touch through PM since a while ago. I agree the SH scene is pretty shit compared to even 3 years back. Most SNs are not advertising as openly and those who are are charging US prices, 1400+ per session. On my way to whatever hotel I'm staying at, I used to see 2-3 BBSs in the evening, now there's nothing. They're still there I'm sure, but not as easy to find. It's my first day in SH for this trip and the prices I'm being quoted are really for the desperate.

The earliest I've been to SH was in 2007. Many options at great prices. Not sure how it was compared with Dongguan at that time, but met so many good looking girls from saunas and BBSs willing to go back to my hotel for long and overnight sessions for 400-700 rmb. Being from out of the country was a huge plus. I think '15 was about when it really started going down hill.

[QUOTE=Acejack;2180104]Judys and Manhattan have IMHO taken a dive. Who wants to go to a place where you pay about US rates for a choice of women from 1 COUNTRY? The prices are way over the odds for what you are getting. Now I have no problem with Vietnamese women at all they can be super hot but when I am in China I do like at least some local flavours too. The fun is not only after you choose but rather is to be had chatting with your mates with girls hanging of every part of you and the furniture. I get that, but gone are the days however when Shanghai was the fun capital of the world.[/QUOTE]I disagree that you pay US prices. In the USA, I can't get an all-nighter with a 7-8 level girl for 300 bucks. But yeah, Shanghai is not Pattaya price-wise.

I like saunas because I can afford to do ST with a near-model. Eliot Spitzer paid $4,300. In a sauna, I'll shag the same calibre (but an Asian version) for $300. Much less than US pricing.

Has anyone tried a take-out from the dodgey looking bar opposite Judy's? It's never very full and so I am wary of going with any of the girls there. I've seen one or two stunners who I would definitely go with if the price was right, but my gut instinct tells me there's a scam going on somewhere there.

Any advice my fellow mongers (I am planning a visit next week, so will stick to Manhattan or Judy's unless you tell me otherwise!

[QUOTE=Acejack;2180104]Judys and Manhattan have IMHO taken a dive. Who wants to go to a place where you pay about US rates for a choice of women from 1 COUNTRY? The prices are way over the odds for what you are getting. Now I have no problem with Vietnamese women at all they can be super hot but when I am in China I do like at least some local flavours too. The fun is not only after you choose but rather is to be had chatting with your mates with girls hanging of every part of you and the furniture. I get that, but gone are the days however when Shanghai was the fun capital of the world.[/QUOTE]IMO, short term rates for upscale girls are pretty ridiculous (as pointed out in my San Jose K-girls pricing). But LT still favors Shanghai by a long shot. Main issue is this is Shanghai, if you move 1 hour out (by train), prices will drop considerably. And then theres the cheap local options, but unfortunately, you need to speak mandarin to get those. I still want to find a petite / slim massage girl to take home, but haven't found one with body I like so far.

Speaking of which, I promised Steve9696 for a field report. I went to the foot massage place he outlined a few days ago. Was kind of hard to find (no signs indicating massage in English), but found it. As you enter the hallway you see posters of massages. Was asked in Chinese whether I was here for massage or girl. You can guess what I answered. Girl was 5'5-6/ HWP / Dyed hair. Led upstairs through locked gate to bedroom. Showered (f this humidity). Total damage for 3 BJ / FS quickie was 268. Girl was not my type, as I favor prefer petite / slim. Didn't see anyone else working. Won't repeat due to distance from my hotel. As I took the bus home from work, I noticed 3-4 different massage places around Nandan / S4 intersection with big bold letters 'Massage' or 'Spa'. May check those out.

Hopefully this new VPN holds out.

I was there last night, in the pedestrian walking street where all the Korean bbq restaurants are (it's at the southeast part of the intersection between Hongquan and Hongxin). I noticed about a half-dozen, maybe more, massage parlors and spas. I wanted to check them out, but I was with colleagues. I was able to get a quick glance at one menu, and prices ranged from 138 to 398. Does anyone have any intel on any of these places since the crackdown?

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2180160]I disagree that you pay US prices. In the USA, I can't get an all-nighter with a 7-8 level girl for 300 bucks. But yeah, Shanghai is not Pattaya price-wise.

I like saunas because I can afford to do ST with a near-model. Eliot Spitzer paid $4,300. In a sauna, I'll shag the same calibre (but an Asian version) for $300. Much less than US pricing.[/QUOTE]In most US cities, you can find amateur talent for overnight for 300 USD by searching the seekingarrangements website. In the larger cities the price will be 500 USD. I bagged almost 2 dozen women this way. But I admit it takes time to find them. Anyway, just a friendly suggestion.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2180512]In most US cities, you can find amateur talent for overnight for 300 USD by searching the seekingarrangements website. In the larger cities the price will be 500 USD. I bagged almost 2 dozen women this way. But I admit it takes time to find them. Anyway, just a friendly suggestion.[/QUOTE]Maybe so, and I'm constrained by the legal consequences in the US. However, would a $300 all-nighter in the US be at the same level as one of the hotter Manhattan chicks?

I had the most ridiculous experience on Sunday. Ordered takeout from a well reviewed girl. Photos were real, every bit as pretty as advertised. But getting into conversation in mandarin, she got boorish. It was cordial and maybe just a function of where she's from, but it killed whatever vibe I was trying to create (and there was absolutely no vibe coming from her). She started doing man-burps and getting into giggle fits, I just could not prompt her into sexy mode. Eventually she just went to a BJ, but decided it would go well with. Of all things. A titty twister. Like not my nipples, but the whole pec, she decided that digging her fingers in and wrenching shit around would be sexy. What in the actual f* Constant spitting into the trash can. I wasn't getting hard whatsoever. Eventually she took in my facial expression and realized she was failing. She stopped giggling and got serious for a few more minutes, but it was too late. I rolled my eyes and told her to stop.

We got dressed and she dumped her life problems on me for the next twenty minutes. They were serious so I heard her out and gave her some advice, but what the hell. I'm going to try the service again be / see everything else was great (from accurate photos to easy setup) but wow. Angel face + totally unprofessional. I'm not going to name the girl because I don't think she deserves punishment just for lacking class, but if anyone reading this has an inkling this person is working for them. For goodness sake give her some training in behaving like a lady on the job.

[QUOTE=Zozzimus5;2180648] I'm not going to name the girl because I don't think she deserves punishment just for lacking class[/QUOTE]Either you believe the problem is more about you being picky and then I don't see the point of this report.

Or you feel her attitude really wasn't appropriate and yet I don't see the point of the report either since you haven't identified the provider you are reporting on.

[QUOTE=Zozzimus5;2180648]I had the most ridiculous experience on Sunday. Ordered takeout from a well reviewed girl. I'm not going to name the girl because I don't think she deserves punishment just for lacking class, but if anyone reading this has an inkling this person is working for them. For goodness sake give her some training in behaving like a lady on the job.[/QUOTE]I doubt anyone who can influence the girl cares to read this forum, would want to take action or could even identify her from your report. You got the wrong audience, and your message is too vague.

Poor service is a problem whether hiring a girl to screw or a guy to put a new roof on your house. Best defense for consumer is sharing names of poor providers with other potential clients.

[QUOTE=Zozzimus5;2180648]I had the most ridiculous experience on Sunday. Ordered takeout from a well reviewed girl. [/QUOTE]Good to see you did research, now the only question for us is who is the girl with all them positive reviews to compare to your horrible.

I come here for some intel and or prospective grounding.

The best you can do as other posters mentioned is provide detailed feedback so bros can avoid or coach said girl to how to be a proper provider. BTW when it ain't working I just tell it straight, some have different ideas of what men want and others I have met just knew.

[QUOTE=Zozzimus5;2180648]I l'm not going to name the girl because I don't think she deserves punishment just for lacking class, but if anyone reading this has an inkling this person is working for them. For goodness sake give her some training in behaving like a lady on the job.[/QUOTE]If you don't name the girl then your post is useless. Thanks for nothing.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2179827]In regards to Manhattan, the intimidation factor is definitely a thing, but I think having a wingman puts a perspective in things. Namely, being with other like minded people may prevent an otherwise lone person from doing something stupid. I would definitely check it out solo, but would prefer to go with someone. Will try this weekend (Friday / Saturday).

Also, it's nice that they blocked my home VPN already (signed up for another service encrypts the handshake). Ironically, my work VPN is also blocked (which has never happened before). I may switch hotels if that's the case.[/QUOTE]Check out Shadowsocks. Works great!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2180512]In most US cities, you can find amateur talent for overnight for 300 USD by searching the seekingarrangements website. In the larger cities the price will be 500 USD. I bagged almost 2 dozen women this way. But I admit it takes time to find them. Anyway, just a friendly suggestion.[/QUOTE]I just checked your suggested site out and was really shocked to see it still up. Most 'dating' sites in America shut down due to the new regulations. Or have they found away around it?

[QUOTE=Tazman099;2181051]I just checked your suggested site out and was really shocked to see it still up. Most 'dating' sites in America shut down due to the new regulations. Or have they found away around it?[/QUOTE]Hi Taz, I have no idea. The last time I was active on it was about 15 months ago. I'm more active on the rubmaps site to find FS in AMPS in the states.

Went to see for myself based on recs on this forum. Easy to find. Just south of weihai lu, near nanjing lu subway stop. Says "spring massage" in English on the second floor of the building, just take the elevator up.

They asked what I wanted and after some awkward pointing at the menu they asked if I wanted the oil massage for 328 - not on the menu of course. Went into a room, and a few minutes later a cute girl poked her head in to give me a towel for shower. Good features under heavy makeup, I'm guessing early 30's. Extroverted and friendly, I decided to go for it. I complained that the towel was wet and she said "just don't use it on your privates it'll be fine" LOL. She asked if I wanted the premium oil for an extra 40. I turned her down. What is premium oil.

She gave a really good massage. Strong hands. We did the usual small talk. Where am I from, where did I learn chinese, yadda yadda. After five minutes she moved to groin and butt. A little sexy but not overt. When it got to little brother, she moved her face in, started moaning, gave me some light kisses. Was not expecting GFE! Good technique.

"So you know this requires a tip right?" I asked how much. 300 to feel her up. I told her I'd tip her, but I was not giving 300 to feel her up. "but its down there!" I told her I didn't care. I asked about BJ, but she said its not on the menu. Don't think FS was either. Then she tried to sell VIP starting at 1000. I told her to stop, and that I'd tip her 200, and she'd do what she will. She stopped the sales pitch, took of her shirt, and told me to help myself to a feel.

The rest of the HJ was premium. Was also happy with the looks and attitude. She was no 38. Compared to 76 changshou (which I went to three months ago and does do BBJs), it was worse value but more GFE and less mechanical.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;2181051]I just checked your suggested site out and was really shocked to see it still up. Most 'dating' sites in America shut down due to the new regulations. Or have they found away around it?[/QUOTE]SA is a sugar daddy site. Last I checked, it requires membership (for guys) at $75/ month to message girls. Maybe worth it these days because of FOSTA or whatever its called. Just find someone and cancel cause that money adds up.

Thinking about taking a train to Suzhou city to check out the dance halls this weekend.

Hi,

I haven't been to a sauna for a year or two. Thought I might go again but I find it hard to locate a good one. Which sites are you guys using to locate sauna managers? I Have used the one below:

[URL]http://52longfeng.com/[/URL]

If anyone have other suggestions it's appreciated. I understandthe sites have to be in Chinese, I can speak Chinese and Google can help me to translate the writing.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2174650]I checked this place out at lunch time. Didn't ask for Jojo. Wanted to see what else was available. Paid 258 for lingham release massage. Place has a shower. Got a good oil massage and HJ from an older provider. May repeat and ask for Jojo or continue to see what I get. Tip was 200 and she let me roam and let me handle her huge jugs.[/QUOTE]Went back and got a different older provider. Again, very good HJ. These old providers may have been giving HJs for over 20 years now, so they really know what to do. This lady did something with my asshole with her finger and I came hard and suddenly, without warning. Probably the most I came in years. She didn't ask for a tip. So HJs are included in the 258 lingham relief massage.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2176659]After a whole lot of walking, I finally found 76 Changshou Lu. When I read the previous report, I thought they were referring to the Changshou Lu Metro station. But, no, they were referring to the Jiangming Lu Station online 13, which is on Changshou Lu, but not near Changshou Lu station on line 7.

Anyone wanting more details can PM me.

By the time I found it, I was too tired to go in. Perhaps tomorrow. Anyone have a recommendation for who I should request?

Thanks.

Doit.[/QUOTE]I suggest numberr 9, nice girl with good rack and will do catbath and BBBJ.

Note the comments on this forum on cleanliness of this place. I haven't been back there for a few months.

[QUOTE=Paal8;2181578]I suggest numberr 9, nice girl with good rack and will do catbath and BBBJ.

Note the comments on this forum on cleanliness of this place. I haven't been back there for a few months.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I have been to 76 since I posted and got a very nice, skinny girl who spoke no English and I speak only very limited Chinese. I didn't get her number unfortunately. I would repeat with her when I go again.

Showers still in place and working. After shower she started little massage but not much. Cat bath and the rubber tongue thing, then some teasing of junior and some rimming. She got naked and turned sideways as she put junior in her mouth. After some FIV, she moved over for some DATY. Very clean and almost a minty taste. It wasn't long before we both busted and she held in her mouth until she spit in the shower. Very sweet and sexy girl.

Damage 288.

Have fun. Be safe.

Doit.

So I was wandering around and saw another foot massage place at the south west corner of Yingang E Lu and Huaxu Highway.

An older (30 ish) lady was behind the counter. The girls (all late 20's, early 30's) were dressed in blue miniskirts and were all wearing heels. My spidey-sense began to tingle!

Sure enough, CNY188 gives you a (very good, better than anything I've recently got at Spring) full-body oil massage, and a decent he, no tips asked. The veggie massage is CNY160.

I hope to much haven't change since my last trip to SH. Did some regular research on this forum and decided to go for Jing An and some Manhattan-fun as a base-plan. Planning to stay at Paramount, should be guest friendly. Head off to blind pig for food and drinks, move on to Manhattan for chatting and partying with the girls and hopefully tip a nice lady 1000 to come back to Paramount for 1-2 hours. Still OK price for a ST? I have no issue with going out alone, used to it. Was also thinking about going to The Spot, is it still open? I got a feeling there was a lot of semi-pros there. Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An? Or any other advice on how to meet English speaking semi-pros?

I'll be in Shanghai for a short business trip.

Reading the forums so far, I understand most people go to Manhattan. Understand it's a freelancer bar to pick up a girl and take to your hotel.

Apart from Manhattan, are there any other recommended spots? Especially looking for sauna- or massage- or brothel-like places.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2174670]I must be blind. I went back and still couldn't find it. I did see a couple of doors with no signs. Maybe your place opens late and just throws a sign outside the door when It's open. I went there in the afternoon, as I cannot monger at night. Wish you were a paid member on here so I could PM you. I feel a little bad cluttering up the board.[/QUOTE]This place is nog easy to spot. But can't miss it if you check out the small row of shops on FaHuaZhen between Neil's massage and the crossing with ZhongDeLu. Went there on Sunday night around 7:30 pm and lights were out. No one visible from the outside but after a discreet knock on the glass door a guy came out and opened the door. 279 and 379 Options, I felt like having sex so went for 379. Not a small place. Maybe 10 rooms with reasonable decoration. One could easily mistake this for a legit place. Taken upstairs by a 30+ girl (body 8, face 6/7, not bad at all) who. After a shower and half assed massage. Said just he was included. Only for an extra 200 she would get naked. No BJ and no sex. No sex in MP's anywhere in Shanghai, she said. Yeah right!

And that from a girl dressed like she works on a porn set. Having read the report from SnrMan (thanks!) I was solidly expecting sex to be available.

Anyhow, got her naked and some fingering turned into DATY, after which she seemed happy to perform a covered BJ. She got pretty turned on and after a while agreed to having sex for 500, "if I wouldn't stick it in all the way". Of course not, dear.

After a fairly passionate fuck ended I was empty and satisfied but still a bit confused about what this place now was really.

379 plus 500 is not exactly a steal for an MP fuck but wasn't unreasonable for the experience. But 379+200 for a naked HJ isn't really a very competitive proposition in Shanghai, and with such a hush-hush entrance I wonder what traffic they get?

No other customers (all room doors open) but I saw another nice looking girl on the way down. Wouldn't mind checking her out on the next visit.

P.

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2183356]I hope to much haven't change since my last trip to SH. Did some regular research on this forum and decided to go for Jing An and some Manhattan-fun as a base-plan. Planning to stay at Paramount, should be guest friendly. Head off to blind pig for food and drinks, move on to Manhattan for chatting and partying with the girls and hopefully tip a nice lady 1000 to come back to Paramount for 1-2 hours. Still OK price for a ST? I have no issue with going out alone, used to it. Was also thinking about going to The Spot, is it still open? I got a feeling there was a lot of semi-pros there. Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An? Or any other advice on how to meet English speaking semi-pros?[/QUOTE]Manhattan going asking price is 1500ST I believe. You can surely get it down a bit if you bother or with the right girl. Judys girls are a bit less hot IMO and 1000-1200 might be easier there. I just love Manhattan and don't go often and just pay asking price. I converted to LT in room with one girl last visit.

To the other guy asking about sauna etc this has been super cracked down and only shadier places left or maybe just HJ. I would just stick to Manhattan personally.

Gents,

The Chinese language form 52 Longfeng seems to have been "harmonized". Anyone have any insights as to an alternate URL?

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2183356] Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An?[/QUOTE]Huashan Lu, just across Yan'an Lu from Jing'An. There's a row of bars: Country road, Crossroads, New York, Hilda. I've never been but they are generally considered as perfect places to get drunk and ripped off.

Don't know about The Spot.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2183807]To the other guy asking about sauna etc this has been super cracked down and only shadier places left or maybe just HJ. I would just stick to Manhattan personally.[/QUOTE]You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2183943]You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.[/QUOTE]I reckon most local guys use QQ girls. Tazman gave me a site (don't bother if you aren't Asian looking with passable Chinese skills) that not only freely advertises FS, but also has some rather explicit reviews. Those girls start at 400 per pop for FS. I tried a 400 p girl (super skinny low-mid 20s, 5'2/90 lbs / A / okay face / rushed service) and a 600 p girl (she was rather hot, mid-late 20's, 5'4/110 lbs / C / pretty face / less rushed service). Basically just 1 pop and done (2 pops if you pay extra).

But as I mentioned above, they usually operate out of residential zones. So if you aren't Asian looking, you will stand out look a sore thumb. All the directions they give you are pictures (of Chinese characters), probably to evade any potential Chinese gov crackdown or censorship. Much easier to parse characters than to parse pictures. So even a handy translator won't help. I somewhat read Chinese and I have difficulty finding the places. Fortunately, I am Chinese so I can wander and loiter around like an idiot without drawing attention.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2183943]You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.[/QUOTE]Saunas have reopened, but prices still higher than pre-crackdown. Maybe with time and competition, they will come down.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2183943]Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS..[/QUOTE]Which one do you recommend? Could you post the name (and address maybe)?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2183927]Huashan Lu, just across Yan'an Lu from Jing'An. There's a row of bars: Country road, Crossroads, New York, Hilda. I've never been but they are generally considered as perfect places to get drunk and ripped off.

Don't know about The Spot.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks. Will check them out. And, yeah I know its easy to get ripped off, but if you just don't spend a lot of money on the first random girl that will ask you for it, but rather eat some bar snacks, drink, watch some stupid TV, play pool and possibly meet a hot girl you like, and she speaks English, then its like. OK what the heck, I spend 200 on her and get some nice GFE in the bar and possibly she will text me afterwards and like to meet again. I have only payed for lady-drinks when I met someone I connected with (good looking, English speaking, sense of humor) and when going back to the same place again I noticed the other girls stay off my ass cause they know I already connected with. Pim, loom, or whatever her name is, if she is not in the bar they will text her and she will show up in 15 minutes If there is no one I like or if the girls are greedy boring bitches just playing with their phones I just finish the beer and move on to the next place.

The spot was more like a general place with a band and a lot of regular girls, no lady-drinks or shit. Still plenty of opportunities for bringing home some of the girls that were there. The Spot was on the way from Jing An temple station to Judys and Manhattans, just popped in since it looked fun.

I have numerous times been at "Shanghai Nights" and never been ripped off. Just say Fei a warm Hello.

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2184479]OK, thanks. Will check them out. And, yeah I know its easy to get ripped off, but if you just don't spend a lot of money on the first random girl that will ask you for it, but rather eat some bar snacks, drink, watch some stupid TV, play pool and possibly meet a hot girl you like, and she speaks English, then its like. OK what the heck, I spend 200 on her and get some nice GFE in the bar and possibly she will text me afterwards and like to meet again. I have only payed for lady-drinks when I met someone I connected with (good looking, English speaking, sense of humor) and when going back to the same place again I noticed the other girls stay off my ass cause they know I already connected with. Pim, loom, or whatever her name is, if she is not in the bar they will text her and she will show up in 15 minutes If there is no one I like or if the girls are greedy boring bitches just playing with their phones I just finish the beer and move on to the next place.

The spot was more like a general place with a band and a lot of regular girls, no lady-drinks or shit. Still plenty of opportunities for bringing home some of the girls that were there. The Spot was on the way from Jing An temple station to Judys and Manhattans, just popped in since it looked fun.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, was a bit in ahurry yesterday, more detailed.

Can really recommend "ShangHai Nights" which is in the middle of all those bars. Have also been at "Cats" "New York" and "Old Manhattan" but this place was the one I felt treated the best. Also they have the most private backroom.

Just say Hello, to FEI, Stormy and Chun Chun from Mike from Germany. If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.

Have fun, I will back there finally in August.

[QUOTE=Fugazi99;2184620]I have numerous times been at "Shanghai Nights" and never been ripped off. Just say Fei a warm Hello.[/QUOTE]

This report will be most helpful for people with fair Chinese skills although some English-only speakers may also be able to use of what's here. This past trip to SH is not really for mongering as SH isn't really a terribly good destination for that, but I had a few days and nights where I could head out and explore. I will not be talking about Manhattan and Judy's here. Overall the government is currently trying to suppress the P4P scene for Chinese locals. It's still there but just less overt and more expensive.

I would recommend downloading some Chinese apps on your smartphone before going. Maybe not surprisingly, a VPN is not needed since the options I'm talking about are all available to local Chinese.

1. WeChat. Most Chinese guys should already have this. This is for communicating with apartment girls and for those with weaker Chinese, like me, it has an English interface.

2. QQ. Don't get the international version, which hasn't been updated for several years. The regular QQ app doesn't have an English interface so it could be troublesome to navigate if your Chinese is basic or non-existent. Unfortunately most apartment girls will only have QQ and not WeChat.

3. Baidu Map. Google Maps won't work in China. Helps to navigate to apartment girls.

4. Didi Dache. Uber for China. Accepts international credit cards which is awesome. Most Chinese apps only takes Alipay / WeChat pay which you need a Chinese bank account for. Immensely helpful when a taxi could not be hailed and usually cheaper. Unlike taxis which increase their fares at night, Didi fares go down late night. I recommend you set this up in your home country because sometimes it'll take you to your CC's card verification page, which could do an SMS verification, which in turn you don't have access to your home phone number in China. Didi has an English interface. Not sure how good it is, but it's there. There's a competing app called Dida which seems to be cheaper, but I didn't use it.

You need to buy mobile data. Speaking from a US perspective, only a few phones here have TDD-LTE. If yours does, then you can go with China Mobile. Most unlocked AT&T and TMobile phones should be able to use China Unicom's 3 G (HSPA+) which is good enough for things like WeChat and QQ. The China Mobile plan I bought is just 50 RMB with 600 MB of data and some talk / text, which I didn't use much. The 600 MB plan deducts about 17 RMB from the 50 RMB account balance so you use the rest for talk / text and you can talk to an operator to get that added.

The Chinese (Shanghai specific) p4 p forums are easy to find for those with any fair amount of Chinese skills and I'm not going to list them here since the addresses will probably be edited out by mods. You'll need to use these to find the ads I'll talk about below.

The saunas have moved out of dedicated buildings and operating out of random hotels. They're also quite expensive, usually their prices start near US K-girl prices, somewhere around 1200 RMB and up to 2000 and sometimes 3000. I didn't see any value in these saunas personally as there are K-girls in my city and the K-girls are usually better looking and more friendly than the Chinese sauna girls. But for those who aren't in my situation, it's an option. Be aware that some saunas will advertise cheaper girls for 900 RMB or whatever, but when you get there, they aren't available or there's only 1 or 2. It's a bait and switch. Saunas ads are usually at the top of the Chinese P4P forums.

These Chinese forums will also have a section where apartment girls advertise. They also have reviews, but on some sites the contact info for the girl in the review is withheld unless you buy or earn tokens from that website. I'd rather just use the websites where the review is completely free or not rely on the reviews at all. I never used QQ / Wechat girls before until now because the relative value of the saunas have dropped. The apartment girl pics will almost always be heavily Photoshopped so don't be surprised you get a 6 instead of an 8. The QQ number or WeChat ID posted is usually monitored and answered by an operator. You don't get to the real girl's contact info until you arrive near the apartment and the operator gives you her number. I thought earlier the girls were answering QQ messages themselves, until my second apartment girl informed me otherwise. You can negotiate specific services with the girl herself like BBFS, which most girls won't do. Normal prices go from 400 to 600 per pop and there are higher priced ones as well. There are 2 pop and LT (baoye or BY) options which I didn't try.

My first appointment was priced at 600. The girl was from Guangxi, nice boobs but her face was maybe a 5 whereas her ad photos were maybe an 8. Good attitude but no chemistry between us, so she was pretty mechanical. I think that's one thing I miss from the sauna is that a lineup allows for you to make eye contact with the girl, and you can pick one that meshes well with you. Massage + BBBJ + CFS. The apartment didn't have a hot shower, and so I had to take a cold shower before the session.

Second appointment was priced at 400. Shandong girl with a slim figure and a 5.5 to 6 face. We had good chemistry going and she was horny as hell so I asked her for BBFS. She said she'd do it for 1000, which I couldn't go down further from. We both really enjoyed the session, and she said it felt great to do it BB after a long time going all covered. I came on her back as she requested. Her shower was working properly but her towels were wet and disgusting. So be aware that sometimes the apartment facilities are not going to be great. The girl also made me wait for 45 minutes. This is because the operator doesn't always know the girl's schedule that well, so I'd imagine it'd be awkward for a white guy to get into a similar situation. He has to stand outside the building for 30+ min with the local residents and security guys walking by all the time wondering why the hell he's here.

The BBS situation is currently not good. The QQ girls are on average a big upgrade from the BBS girls in terms of service, so while you save 200 RMB ($30 US), ask yourself if it's worth getting minimal services vs being able to take your time. Before what I could do is to peek in a BBS and make eye contact with the girl, then pick the more enthusiastic ones. Now the girls work in secret so you can't preview them as easily. I only tried one this trip. There used to be a well known set of BBS shops called Xinsandui (literally, new three team). I read how that place has adapted to the new environment in the Chinese forums, and I got curious, so I decided to check it out. My experience was exactly the same as the Chinese forum described. Once you go out of the Line 13 Fengzhuang subway station, you walk one block and there's a couple of old guys on motorcycles who spot you. They pretty much know what you're looking for. They come up to me and say "it's not here anymore" and I tell him "OK take me there". I was taken to a shop with locked glass doors. The place had zero lighting so as to make it look like it was closed. I was taken to a second place inside an apartment complex where 5 girls were sitting around looking bored. I picked one but the service was non-existent and couldn't even get a hard on. Price is 200 RMB and 10 RMB for the motorcycle guy. Personally BBSs were something I enjoyed in the past, but no longer, so I can't recommend it. But if you like cheap no frills sex, the Chinese forums will direct you to some places closer to where you live.

Another ISG member told me about dance halls in Suzhou, but no time to go to Suzhou this trip.

Other things you can try are WeChat people nearby, Momo and Tantan. I was hoping there may be P4P girls there, but it doesn't seem like there is. Good for flirting with a girl and non-sexual meetings if that's your thing.

[QUOTE=Fugazi99;2185039]...If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.[/QUOTE]You make it look like a lot of fun. But what do you get for that kind of price? How long / how many drinks does it take to reach 1000 for instance?

As good as usual. Sunday night means a bit less competition from Chinese fat cats for the prettier / younger targets. Found a Laotian - 7. 5, 25 yr old, no childbirth marks. Who was new to the business (I "think" I believe it), second night at Manhattan and I was (again, allegedly) her first paying client. She offered the standard 1,200/2,000 pricing. Told her I'd just pop once so less than 2 hours. Settled for 800. In any event, he seemed pretty new to it and needed to be given instructions. Decent experience.

For me BBS or Saunas with going inside, choosing one, have interaction and leave 30 minutes later is no fun, you know all tastes are different.

I want to have party and fun, and on the other hand to talk to Chinese ladies who mostly speak perfect English and look very good. But to answer your question, arriving at 10 pm, leaving at 4 am, I expect a bill of 3000-4000 for drinks, kissing, touching and maybe a bit more.

You just need to be aware that nothing in life comes for free. And as I meet regular other guests from time to time, there seem to be folks that share my preference.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2185474]You make it look like a lot of fun. But what do you get for that kind of price? How long / how many drinks does it take to reach 1000 for instance?[/QUOTE]

And follow the well known basic rules: Never drink with more than one lady (maybe two, if you just received a bonus in the company at the same time, avoid any barfines by exchanging wechat contacts and meeting the girls in their free time, etc.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2185474]You make it look like a lot of fun. But what do you get for that kind of price? How long / how many drinks does it take to reach 1000 for instance?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TommyGoat;2180246]Has anyone tried a take-out from the dodgey looking bar opposite Judy's? It's never very full and so I am wary of going with any of the girls there. I've seen one or two stunners who I would definitely go with if the price was right, but my gut instinct tells me there's a scam going on somewhere there.

Any advice my fellow mongers (I am planning a visit next week, so will stick to Manhattan or Judy's unless you tell me otherwise![/QUOTE]OK, I've done my own research on this bar now. It's directly opposite Judy's and has about 6-8 girls hanging around. Usually a couple near the door and the rest near the bar. It strikes me as odd that it's so quiet, but a welcome break from the constant jar ranging you get in Judy's or Manhattan. I went in for drink last Thursday and here's my report.

First, the warning should be in the prices: 60 RMB each (. Makes Manhattan look good value! Immediately you get surrounded by two or three girls eager to say Hello, chat and "spend time" with. I met three nice enough Chinese girls. Two were a 6, one (Amy) was a 7/8. If Amy had been in her own she'the have pulled and I would definitely have scored. She was cheeky, sexy and fun even if a bit too small and petite for my liking. Fortunately for my wallet though her friends wouldn't leave us alone and they managed to get me suspicious of the place.

Sign No. 2 that something wasn't right was when they kept asking me to go away from the bar and to sit with just them. I was asked to play pool, to sit and chat, to play cards, etc etc. Anything to get me "engaged" with them socially.

Sign No. 3 the bar was reluctant to take my money. I like the pay-as-you-go principle to stop me from being fleeced. They however were very quick to offer me a tab.

Lastly the girls keep asking me for drinks, perhaps not Amy who was intent on rubbing her body up and down the side of my arm, leg or whatever, but certainly the others seemed to have a "business approach" to our chats!

I got the hint and quickly made my excuses. It was late and I promised to meet them all at 8 pm the following day (. Not!

Verdict? A lucky escape, not worth going back (. Although I would have liked to have given Amy a proper try out!

In future, I'll just stick to the tried and tested places!

Decided to be adventurous to see if I could luckily stumble upon a hidden gem. Rode a bicycle around for a couple of hours and found myself on Ya'an road, near Longemont hotel. Behind the hotel there are 2 spa / massage places. Tried the one next to Naan Cat Coffee. Chose the 90 minute oil massage for 388. It was one of the most sensuous massages I've ever gotten. First on the chest. Then when I'm on my back there was lots of ass and groin massage. Then turned over again for entirely balls and shaft massage. I was in heaven. But then suddenly she said she was finished, with no release! I asked about extras, and HJ, and she said there's none of that at their place and said goodbye. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Wtf?

[QUOTE=Tasss;2185304]This report will be most helpful for people with fair Chinese skills although some English-only speakers may also be able to use of what's here. This past trip to SH is not really for mongering as SH isn't really a terribly good destination for that, but I had a few days and nights where I could head out and explore. I will not be talking about Manhattan and Judy's here. Overall the government is currently trying to suppress the P4P scene for Chinese locals. It's still there but just less overt and more expensive.

I would recommend downloading some Chinese apps on your smartphone before going. Maybe not surprisingly, a VPN is not needed since the options I'm talking about are all available to local Chinese.

1. WeChat. Most Chinese guys should already have this. This is for communicating with apartment girls and for those with weaker Chinese, like me, it has an English interface.

2. QQ. Don't get the international version, which hasn't been updated for several years. The regular QQ app doesn't have an English interface so it could be troublesome to navigate if your Chinese is basic or non-existent. Unfortunately most apartment girls will only have QQ and not WeChat..[/QUOTE]Great info, thanks much! I am veteran Shanghai biz visitor from USA, but have not been there since crackdown. Hopefully things will loosen up and prices will decline since I always look forward to my relaxation in Shanghai after the long flight, crazy airport, traffic, etc. Sure miss SNG as it was a one stop shop for us short timers to get back up to speed on the latest and greatest offerings. My only advice is stick to tried and true, since my few forays off the beaten path have been near disastrous in all respects. Cheers!

Any sauna / spa / massage in Shanghai with extra service (HJ, BJ, 69, FS)? Been hiking the last days and just need some relax time. Is China really that dead?

Any news about what happened to the owner of Sng?

[QUOTE=Marcelo26;2186090]Any news about what happened to the owner of Sng?[/QUOTE]I heard from a reliable source that Steven's trial began during the first week of April. But I haven't heard anything since then.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2164950]Near Crowne Plaza Shanghai. I previously reported this place as being legit. I was wrong. The massage menu is legit, thus my previous error. They have a separate spa menu with 2 items, one for 398 and one for 598. The latter is 4 hands massage. Anyway, private shower, pretty decent and sensuous massage, and good and slow he. They'll ask for a tip and was always happy with 200. Yeah, it's expensive. But it was all unrushed with long buildup. I never bothered to get any of the girls' number, as I haven't gotten a hot one yet.[/QUOTE]I haven't back to this place in a while, mostly because the last time I went I had to refuse 3 not-so-pretty girls before I eventually walked out. But today, my GF suddenly got her period, and I was horny, so I decided to go back to this place today. Saw most of the girls as they were getting ready to open at 11:30 am, and it looks like there was a lot of turnover, and for the better. Several attractive girls. Again, I got the 398 RMB spa massage, and it was sensuous with lots of attention to groin, ass, balls, and shaft, for most of the entire session. Then she laid next to me and cuddled while she finished me off. Tipped 200, and she was thrilled. My provider was tall and pretty, but I didn't ask for her number. I want to see who else is available there. I guess I like this place more than Spring. At Spring, they try to give you a legit massage before the he, and the legit massage usually sucks.

[QUOTE=Marcelo26;2186090]Any news about what happened to the owner of Sng?[/QUOTE]Like Midwestern said; the trial started beginning of April; he and Judy's had three court sessions so far. It's now waiting for the judge to call them up and give the verdict. His defense is he only used the internet to spread illegal information (SNG) and did not manage WG's; that was all Judy. If the judge buys it, he can get away with 2 3 years. If not, considerably longer.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2181520]Went back and got a different older provider. Again, very good HJ. These old providers may have been giving HJs for over 20 years now, so they really know what to do. This lady did something with my asshole with her finger and I came hard and suddenly, without warning. Probably the most I came in years. She didn't ask for a tip. So HJs are included in the 258 lingham relief massage.[/QUOTE]Complete waste of money this place. They leave the door open and insist you wear those massage panties. I even think the receptionist keeps checking every 15 minutes that nothing inappropriate happens (I could hear her steps). No handjob or whatsoever. Even the massage is only mediocre at best. And be prepared that your massage room with the door wide open is directly connected to the receptionist area.

I actually complained why there wasn't a handjob. The receptionist (who speaks English) apologized and explained they cannot do it because of the government. To be fair, she told me before the massage that they would have to leave the door open. I guess I should have left then. Didn't want to give a discount so. So I paid 288 RMB for 90 minutes mediocre oil massage.

Avoid this place!

I am new here was visiting Shanghai & was looking to have some Fun, I have been reading the forum for a week now lot of useful info to ponder upon. During my last visit in August 17 I was living at Nanjing Street, Howard Johnson Plaza & Enjoyed some Massages & HJ in Spa's on the street behind. 198 RMB + 100 for HJ That was my First Experience. I got smarter & managed to get a Foot Massage at 60 RMB + HJ for additional 50 RMB enjoyed excellent Oil massage 3rd Day at 198 + HJ + BJ for 150 extra.

Wondering what's the scene now? Looking for suggestions for FS ideally not at MPs. I have managed to get a few direct contacts of Girls from nightlife & spoken to them asking 1200 -1500 for 1 HR ST in my hotel room.

1. Is it safe to call them over to your current Hotel.

2. Can you guys share some more contacts for FS & Good Erotic massages with B2B & Shower + HJ?

I can share my contacts for Mumbai & Shanghai if anyone is interested but I haven't tried services in SH.

Thank you.

Late report.

Went to Judy's with Taz, the environment is not really my thing. Checked out with a Viet girl named Tina for 2 K LT. Very GFE, which was quite nice. That said, if anyone PM's me and wants to go to Judy's Manhattan's, I'd still be up for it.

Going to try some more QQ girls, as there are tons in XuJiaHui area. Prices are usually 400-600/ p, which doesn't seem bad.

I do agree with the consensus that Saunas prices are too high. They've reached the prices of Judy/Manhattan's for ST. They have a low entry price (say 898), but realistically, only a few girls are of that price, and the upsell to higher quality girls is there. If anyone knows a sauna with a fixed price, PM me. If SH prices continue their upward trajectory, then I wouldn't be surprised if we see an exodus similar to Koreans to AC.

IMO, girls charging >1500 ST seems questionable. You literally get better prices in the US (bay area) and better service.

[QUOTE=Fugazi99;2185039]Sorry, was a bit in ahurry yesterday, more detailed.

Can really recommend "ShangHai Nights" which is in the middle of all those bars. Have also been at "Cats" "New York" and "Old Manhattan" but this place was the one I felt treated the best. Also they have the most private backroom.

Just say Hello, to FEI, Stormy and Chun Chun from Mike from Germany. If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.

Have fun, I will back there finally in August.[/QUOTE]Wait. What? Asked to be warned once you've reached 1000/2000/3000? If that's not a sign of a rip-off bar, then I don't know what is. Basically, what's been said is that a tab could run up without the patron having any knowledge of it.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2186902]Late report.

Went to Judy's with Taz, the environment is not really my thing. Checked out with a Viet girl named Tina for 2 K LT. Very GFE, which was quite nice. That said, if anyone PM's me and wants to go to Judy's Manhattan's, I'd still be up for it.

Going to try some more QQ girls, as there are tons in XuJiaHui area. Prices are usually 400-600/ p, which doesn't seem bad..[/QUOTE]P2P, mongering, whatever nomenclature you wish to use is no different than the rest of the Chinese economy; dumbbell shaped w / limited "value" in either of the major concentrations. High end of the market; rich local guys don't really pay for GFE, they pay for exclusivity. Hence, the utility they get from a CNY 6,000 shag or a CNY 666,6666 watch is the exclusivity as opposed to the enjoyment or durability of the purchase. Or more to the point, most those guys don't get enjoyment from GFE, they get enjoyment knowing they are having something most people can't afford. The low end of the market is much the same, poor guys paying for a quick turn. They aren't getting GFE either, they just want something that the middle class guy they aspire to be experiences every night. The service provider knows this and can afford to tell them to "hurry up and finish".

The expat / foreigner P2P existed for a longtime in a bubble outside the realities of the economy. It was leveraged by service providers who were agile and lucky enough to develop some basic language skills and mental jujitsu outside their ingrained skill-sets. Market forces both economic and regulatory have made providing P2P for the foreign community more valuable / scarce. Hence I'd advise everyone to stop throwing CNY 400-600 on pushy HJ experiences, and QQ girls who make their money on servicing mass amounts of the mass market.

Get use to paying 1,500 for ST at Manhattan and 2,000 from the independents online. Rain, Nightlifeonline, Massagerepub etc. But more to the point, treat the girls well who make you feel like they want to be there, try to limit the haggling, and things might not return to 2009 normal, but we'll make 2018 a lot more liveable.

Hello all,

New to this forum. Read through a dozen or so pages, everything in here has been super helpful so far. I'm a mid-twenties Asian American visiting Shanghai for roughly two weeks (have just about a week left of my trip). Used to mongering with escorts in DC / NYC, so brand new to the scene in Shanghai.

Touched down last Friday night, slept in and got the itch Saturday. I hadn't done much research prior to arrival, so I decided on going for an escort, albeit with less research than I usually do in the US. Found Wenli quickly on the other site, made contact through Wechat from the info on her website and arranged for an incall, which was in a somewhat hidden location a good walk from the Jing'an Metro stop. Clearly wears makeup, but her face still looks pretty good and body is great. I'm glad that she speaks English, because while I can get by with my Chinese, it obviously wasn't good enough to hold a decent conversation about anything with her. Anyways, got undressed, laid stomach-down on the bed, and she began with some light and sensual caresses with her tongue and fingers all along the back (not sure what that's called). Then told me to flip over and definitely gave one of the better BJs I've had. She introduced me to a cold vs. Hot BJ with some kind of warming / cooling liquid in her mouth. Pretty cool. During this time she did some light kissing, not as much tongue as with most escorts in the States that I'm used to. After a good bit, I couldn't take it any longer and asked for the cover, took her in mish and finished there after a couple of minutes. Gave me a brief massage and told me some jokes in English, which I thought was a nice touch to end the session. I learned then that her hourly rates go by pops (1 pop = 1 hour, 2 pops = 2 hours, etc.) which is new to me. Luckily I'm a one-pop kind of guy LOL. Ended up staying about 80 or so minutes for 1300 RMB. Great session, just what I needed after a long flight and fighting jetlag.

Haven't been able to do too much research since I've been dog-tired seeing the sights, visiting relatives, and adjusting to Chinese air. I know from earlier reports that the sauna scene has been cut down pretty hard in the past year. It's something I really want to do, especially since I can't do outcall or takeout from Manhattan's / Judy's (read somewhere about short stay hotels which could be an option). Found the WeChat info for a Yao Yao at Tang Palace (given 1400/1800/2100/2400) and a Jeff at a Spring or Lotus Spa (not too sure, given 1790/2098/2398). In my brief research couldn't find much info on these, prices seem pretty steep, guess I'll YOLO when I have some alone time Monday afternoon. May also try a MP too at some point if I find one and have time for it, though honestly I'm not sure how to tell if one will give me what I want / what to order on the menu / etc. My trip to SH has been great so far and is definitely going to get more adventurous.

[QUOTE=Heyid;2187089]Hello all,

New to this forum. Read through a dozen or so pages, everything in here has been super helpful so far. I'm a mid-twenties Asian American visiting Shanghai for roughly two weeks (have just about a week left of my trip). Used to mongering with escorts in DC / NYC, so brand new to the scene in Shanghai.

Touched down last Friday night, slept in and got the itch Saturday. I hadn't done much research prior to arrival, so I decided on going for an escort, albeit with less research than I usually do in the US. Found Wenli quickly on the other site, made contact through Wechat from the info on her website and arranged for an incall, which was in a somewhat hidden location a good walk from the Jing'an Metro stop. Clearly wears makeup, but her face still looks pretty good and body is great. I'm glad that she speaks English, because while I can get by with my Chinese, it obviously wasn't good enough to hold a decent conversation about anything with her. Anyways, got undressed, laid stomach-down on the bed, and she began with some light and sensual caresses with her tongue and fingers all along the back (not sure what that's called). Then told me to flip over and definitely gave one of the better BJs I've had. She introduced me to a cold vs. Hot BJ with some kind of warming / cooling liquid in her mouth. Pretty cool. During this time she did some light kissing, not as much tongue as with most escorts in the States that I'm used to. After a good bit, I couldn't take it any longer and asked for the cover, took her in mish and finished there after a couple of minutes. Gave me a brief massage and told me some jokes in English, which I thought was a nice touch to end the session. I learned then that her hourly rates go by pops (1 pop = 1 hour, 2 pops = 2 hours, etc.) which is new to me. Luckily I'm a one-pop kind of guy LOL. Ended up staying about 80 or so minutes for 1300 RMB. Great session, just what I needed after a long flight and fighting jetlag.

Haven't been able to do too much research since I've been dog-tired seeing the sights, visiting relatives, and adjusting to Chinese air. I know from earlier reports that the sauna scene has been cut down pretty hard in the past year. It's something I really want to do, especially since I can't do outcall or takeout from Manhattan's / Judy's (read somewhere about short stay hotels which could be an option). Found the WeChat info for a Yao Yao at Tang Palace (given 1400/1800/2100/2400) and a Jeff at a Spring or Lotus Spa (not too sure, given 1790/2098/2398). In my brief research couldn't find much info on these, prices seem pretty steep, guess I'll YOLO when I have some alone time Monday afternoon. May also try a MP too at some point if I find one and have time for it, though honestly I'm not sure how to tell if one will give me what I want / what to order on the menu / etc. My trip to SH has been great so far and is definitely going to get more adventurous.[/QUOTE]Hujing can book a short time hotel for you. It is 100 rmb for 4 hours. If you're not Chinese, you won't be allowed to book a short time hotel.

First post. Thanks to all who have posted before for your information and guidance. Very helpful.

Based on info from this site I visited Spring Xianxia Lu location. My first occasion went very similar to another report. Started with very good veggie oil massage on back, transitioned to little brother, ass, and balls teasing from behind. She then told me she would get nude. I asked if tip was needed and she said no so I said ok, and she stripped and showered. This is first time I've been in MP where girl stripped completely. The girl was cute, a bit heavier than Chinese beauty standard but fine for me. Plus her ass was great, which came into play next. So I turn over and she straddles me, oils my little brother, and then places him between her ass cheeks and goes for nice long strokes that really got me going. She then did some nice GFE body kissing, continued with HJ and I sucked her nipples. After finishing, showered, and paid 398 RMB at the desk (no tip). Overall was about 70 min including really nice massage and good he. The ass cheek move was memorable.

Second visit (one week later). My plan was to see the same girl and see if I might be able to get some extra play such as BJ / DATY. No expectations, but I was planning to ask. The same girl wasn't working yet, though, so I said I would take anyone available. This time was a significantly different experience. She seemed tired (and actually later during the session complained about being tired). She asked me to get on the table face up, so I thought maybe she prefers to do massage after. I asked and she said she could do my back but she really didn't seem enthusiastic about it so I thought maybe focus on the he and get more mileage. So she did half assed massage of my head and legs, then stepped and showered, and straddled me. Again the little brother in ass cheek move. Seems this might be the only standard? She wouldn't let me play with her tits which was frustrating given that they were hanging right there in front of me, but I never push if they say they don't want (she actually said the shop doesn't allow which is BS, but I got the point). I wasn't that into it as I was disappointed the service level was lower than the first girl. This girls ass was less "plump" so the ass move wasn't quite as enjoyable, but I finished anyway in that position all over her ass. Showered, paid at desk (again 398, no tip). This all took maybe 45 min, so less value for money.

I will probably go again at least once to try the first girl again and maybe one more girl just for comparison. Otherwise I like to try new places just because I don't know what to expect which increases the excitement level (and sometimes the frustration).

One more thing on a separate note. By far the best experience and value for your money for great GFE and enthusiastic sex in Shanghai is Maria from SNG (now no). She is a little older than the other independents in Shanghai, but she looks younger while putting all of her experiences to work to make you feel top of the world. If I didn't have my wife looking at my bank balance everyday, I would be spending all my money on her vs. MPs like Spring. If you see Maria, treat her well. She is absolutely amazing.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2187257]Hujing can book a short time hotel for you. It is 100 rmb for 4 hours. If you're not Chinese, you won't be allowed to book a short time hotel.[/QUOTE]Beverly (previously of SNG) can also book ST hotel (at least for a 2 hour session). Beverly provides wider range of services than most in SH, very enthusiastically. She seemed disappointed when I finished on her back instead of in her mouth.

[QUOTE=JginSH;2187007]P2P, mongering, whatever nomenclature you wish to use is no different than the rest of the Chinese economy; dumbbell shaped w / limited "value" in either of the major concentrations. High end of the market; rich local guys don't really pay for GFE, they pay for exclusivity. Hence, the utility they get from a CNY 6,000 shag or a CNY 666,6666 watch is the exclusivity as opposed to the enjoyment or durability of the purchase. Or more to the point, most those guys don't get enjoyment from GFE, they get enjoyment knowing they are having something most people can't afford. The low end of the market is much the same, poor guys paying for a quick turn. They aren't getting GFE either, they just want something that the middle class guy they aspire to be experiences every night. The service provider knows this and can afford to tell them to "hurry up and finish".

The expat / foreigner P2P existed for a longtime in a bubble outside the realities of the economy. It was leveraged by service providers who were agile and lucky enough to develop some basic language skills and mental jujitsu outside their ingrained skill-sets. Market forces both economic and regulatory have made providing P2P for the foreign community more valuable / scarce. Hence I'd advise everyone to stop throwing CNY 400-600 on pushy HJ experiences, and QQ girls who make their money on servicing mass amounts of the mass market.

Get use to paying 1,500 for ST at Manhattan and 2,000 from the independents online. Rain, Nightlifeonline, Massagerepub etc. But more to the point, treat the girls well who make you feel like they want to be there, try to limit the haggling, and things might not return to 2009 normal, but we'll make 2018 a lot more liveable.[/QUOTE]Please don't talk shit about QQ girls, as I doubt you've seen one. Just like in any other place in the world, some providers offer rushed and poor service. Others do not. As for what type of traffic they see, you're speculating out of your ass. Whenever I make an appointment for a QQ girl (500/600 p), I've never had to wait. Which implies that they are not servicing johns back to back. The reason you are paying 1500ST and going on English language sites is because you don't know Chinese and do not readily have access to the local talent pool. Thus you are paying a premium. Do not think for one second you are getting 'better' service or 'better looking' girls because you are paying "up the dumbbell curve" or some crap.

Which brings me to point #2. Why the fuck, if you are from the US, would you go to Shanghai to monger ST if you can get better value at home? I've been to Judy's and Manhattan. Assuming 1500ST (240 USD) price, the average girl there is about as good looking as an average Bay Area k-girl (220 USD). In my home market, you can get decent looking white girls starting around 250 USD / Hour. 300 USD and you can get good looking ones with good service. 400 USD and you can get the Russian models that tour with excellent service.

Steps on the soapbox.

Now lets talk about price increases. Do you honestly think prices will continue to rise 10-20% YoY? No, because at some point you hit economic impediments. Probably very hard for Chinese locals to swallow in general, but you cannot escape the economic gravity of job / wage growth. At some point, global firms will be wondering why they can't just do most of the hiring in their home countries (for tech firms, its a no brainer nowadays; my company is paying for me to grab knowledge from the Chinese SW Engineers to bring back to the US. Something that would've been ridiculed just 5 years ago). The real bad news will come when Chinese companies start figuring out how to hire in cheaper geos (without pissing off the central gov). Currently, China is still on a debt fueled growth binge. They tried taking the brakes off in 2 H 2015, but that proved disastrous in terms of economic KPI's, so they've been stepping on the gas since 2 H 2016. Currently at 300+% debt: GDP ratio and counting.

Steps off.

[QUOTE=Heyid;2187089]Hello all,

New to this forum. Read through a dozen or so pages, everything in here has been super helpful so far. I'm a mid-twenties Asian American visiting Shanghai for roughly two weeks (have just about a week left of my trip). Used to mongering with escorts in DC / NYC, so brand new to the scene in Shanghai.

Touched down last Friday night, slept in and got the itch Saturday. I hadn't done much research prior to arrival, so I decided on going for an escort, albeit with less research than I usually do in the US. Found Wenli quickly on the other site, made contact through Wechat from the info on her website and arranged for an incall, which was in a somewhat hidden location a good walk from the Jing'an Metro stop. Clearly wears makeup, but her face still looks pretty good and body is great. I'm glad that she speaks English, because while I can get by with my Chinese, it obviously wasn't good enough to hold a decent conversation about anything with her. Anyways, got undressed, laid stomach-down on the bed, and she began with some light and sensual caresses with her tongue and fingers all along the back (not sure what that's called). Then told me to flip over and definitely gave one of the better BJs I've had. She introduced me to a cold vs. Hot BJ with some kind of warming / cooling liquid in her mouth. Pretty cool. During this time she did some light kissing, not as much tongue as with most escorts in the States that I'm used to..[/QUOTE]FWIW Rain also offers incall with a large selection of girls.

Do report back if you give the Saunas a go!

Next time, use the exit on the other side of the hotel, towards the Family Mart. Opposite the cheap restaurant in the covered passageway. No problem, but bit pricey. They will also deliver to your room.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2185890]Decided to be adventurous to see if I could luckily stumble upon a hidden gem. Rode a bicycle around for a couple of hours and found myself on Ya'an road, near Longemont hotel. Behind the hotel there are 2 spa / massage places. Tried the one next to Naan Cat Coffee. Chose the 90 minute oil massage for 388. It was one of the most sensuous massages I've ever gotten. First on the chest. Then when I'm on my back there was lots of ass and groin massage. Then turned over again for entirely balls and shaft massage. I was in heaven. But then suddenly she said she was finished, with no release! I asked about extras, and HJ, and she said there's none of that at their place and said goodbye. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Wtf?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DexXie;2187301]Please don't talk shit about QQ girls, as I doubt you've seen one. Just like in any other place in the world, some providers offer rushed and poor service. Others do not. As for what type of traffic they see, you're speculating out of your ass. Whenever I make an appointment for a QQ girl (500/600 p), I've never had to wait. Which implies that they are not servicing johns back to back. The reason you are paying 1500ST and going on English language sites is because you don't know Chinese and do not readily have access to the local talent pool. Thus you are paying a premium. Do not think for one second you are getting 'better' service or 'better looking' girls because you are paying "up the dumbbell curve" or some crap.

Which brings me to point #2. Why the fuck, if you are from the US, would you go to Shanghai to monger ST if you can get better value at home? I've been to Judy's and Manhattan. Assuming 1500ST (240 USD) price, the average girl there is about as good looking as an average Bay Area k-girl (220 USD). In my home market, you can get decent looking white girls starting around 250 USD / Hour. 300 USD and you can get good looking ones with good service. 400 USD and you can get the Russian models that tour with excellent service.

Steps on the soapbox.

Now lets talk about price increases. Do you honestly think prices will continue to rise 10-20% YoY? No, because at some point you hit economic impediments. Probably very hard for Chinese locals to swallow in general, but you cannot escape the economic gravity of job / wage growth. At some point, global firms will be wondering why they can't just do most of the hiring in their home countries (for tech firms, its a no brainer nowadays; my company is paying for me to grab knowledge from the Chinese SW Engineers to bring back to the US. Something that would've been ridiculed just 5 years ago). The real bad news will come when Chinese companies start figuring out how to hire in cheaper geos (without pissing off the central gov). Currently, China is still on a debt fueled growth binge. They tried taking the brakes off in 2 H 2015, but that proved disastrous in terms of economic KPI's, so they've been stepping on the gas since 2 H 2016. Currently at 300+% debt: GDP ratio and counting.

Steps off.[/QUOTE]Makes sense to me that a hot girl in this market won't do 500.

If you've got game, you might shag a hot girl by dating, but if she turns to prostitution she will figure out how to get more. Foreign mongers are too few to distort the market. Right now, law enforcement and occasional crackdowns are distorting the market.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiWanda;2187481]Next time, use the exit on the other side of the hotel, towards the Family Mart. Opposite the cheap restaurant in the covered passageway. No problem, but bit pricey. They will also deliver to your room.[/QUOTE]Thanks SW. What extras are available?

As mentioned recently, girls that will book short time hotels for the session include Beverly, Hujing, Maria, and also Wenli. You can tell them where you are staying and they will find a short time hotel nearby. If you are nice to them during the first session then all of them will cut their price for subsequent sessions if you ask.

After the stormy weather, in the shop seems to go not further than BJ. Hotel delivery to the Longmont comes down to negotiations and chemistry I think.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2187641]Thanks SW. What extras are available?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2187585]Makes sense to me that a hot girl in this market won't do 500.

If you've got game, you might shag a hot girl by dating, but if she turns to prostitution she will figure out how to get more. Foreign mongers are too few to distort the market. Right now, law enforcement and occasional crackdowns are distorting the market.[/QUOTE]Why won't they do 500? There are literally pages of QQ girls (at least 60 in Xuhui area alone between two sites, as I live there and don't care about other areas) that are <500 for FS 1 shot.

Here's a 600 p girl that I've seen (redo the link yourself). Photos are obviously brushed up, but she's about 80% of the pics and IMO, and definitely hot enough for Judy's / Manhattan's. Amusingly enough, there was at least one guy who was complaining that her price was too high in the thread.

Http aishxx. Biz / thread-460844-1-1. Html.

Speaking of which, still no takers for Judy / Manhattan? First basic drink is on me.

[QUOTE=Heyid;2187089]Hello all,Haven't been able to do too much research since I've been dog-tired seeing the sights, visiting relatives, and adjusting to Chinese air. I know from earlier reports that the sauna scene has been cut down pretty hard in the past year. It's something I really want to do, especially since I can't do outcall or takeout from Manhattan's / Judy's (read somewhere about short stay hotels which could be an option). Found the WeChat info for a Yao Yao at Tang Palace (given 1400/1800/2100/2400) and a Jeff at a Spring or Lotus Spa (not too sure, given 1790/2098/2398). In my brief research couldn't find much info on these, prices seem pretty steep, guess I'll YOLO when I have some alone time Monday afternoon.\[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestions regarding short-term hotels.

Ended up going to a sauna earlier than planned. I found a good chunk of free time earlier this afternoon and hit up both of the WeChat contacts. Yao Yao at Tang Palace responded first so I went there. Got off at the Xingzhong Metro #9 stop and took a brief cab ride along Caobaolu to the place, which is above a Pizza Hut. Yao Yao met me outside and took me up, walked through the back of a restaurant (seemed a little sketch) and a couple of turns later ended up in what I assume is a fishbowl room. Did walk past a locker room and shower area but wasn't offered them. About 20 girls showed up for the lineup, only 1 was normal grade (1400), 7 were be (1800), and 5-6 each of the higher grades. Went with No. 815, who was be grade and had the young, petite look I wanted and was pretty much the only girl that looked my way. Many seemed unenthusiastic, especially among the higher priced ones. Face 7-8 (had some makeup but otherwise looked like someone out of a Chinese advert for tea or something), body 8 (B cup, 150 cm, not much of a backside but everything was just for my taste). Went up to a room with bed and shower, got undressed, showered, and laid down on the bed for a tongue bath (which is a first and felt awesome) and rimming. Didn't seem to excited about touching, she would occasionally reposition herself away from my hands. Flipped over and the tongue bath slowly escalated into a BJ. I then donned cover and finished in mish. Decided to just lay there for 15 minutes with her in my arms. After the fuck she was a lot more comfortable with touching, asked several times if I wanted to go again (seemed disappointed when I wanted to just cuddle). Another shower, got dressed, and went downstairs to settle with the manager. Only downside was that we didn't kiss. For 1800 RMB I'd say this experience is more of a novelty for me. Similar / slightly more expensive pricing to Kgirls back in the states, who follow a similar script but Kgirls are definitely much more GFE with their tongue-down-your-throat kissing. I guess the advantage here is the lineup and seeing if girls make eye contact with you for potential interest, though with Kgirls I've never had one that didn't seem interested in me LOL. I guess I came a year too late or something when prices were cheaper.

Still here for another 4 or 5 days but my schedule seems to be pretty packed, so chances of mongering again are not too high. If I do go again, I'm pretty evenly split among escorts, another sauna trip, or something new. Already have a date arranged in NYC to help with the jetlag after getting back into the US. Hope these small contributions might help other members in this forum.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2187818]

Here's a 600 p girl that I've seen (redo the link yourself). Photos are obviously brushed up, but she's about 80% of the pics and IMO, and definitely hot enough for Judy's / Manhattan's. Amusingly enough, there was at least one guy who was complaining that her price was too high in the thread.

Http aishxx. Biz / thread-460844-1-1. Html.

Speaking of which, still no takers for Judy / Manhattan? First basic drink is on me.[/QUOTE]I'd pay 1000 for that any day. At 600, I'd try to 2 shots for 1200.

Please help me when I come back to shanghai. We'll be best friends. Haha.

SAM.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2187818]Why won't they do 500? There are literally pages of QQ girls (at least 60 in Xuhui area alone between two sites, as I live there and don't care about other areas) that are <500 for FS 1 shot.

Here's a 600 p girl that I've seen (redo the link yourself). Photos are obviously brushed up, but she's about 80% of the pics and IMO, and definitely hot enough for Judy's / Manhattan's. Amusingly enough, there was at least one guy who was complaining that her price was too high in the thread.

Http aishxx. Biz / thread-460844-1-1. Html.

Speaking of which, still no takers for Judy / Manhattan? First basic drink is on me.[/QUOTE]I'd like to see her without the doctored photos (I also saw some reference to that in comments), but ok man, convinced me, I'll try qq.

Yesterday I met the best escort woman I have tryed in my 5 years in Shanghai. She came to my place and change to a very sexy dress, without bra or panties. Her body is spectacular, and her boobs are incredible and totally natural. We sitted at the sofa and then the nagic started.

Rose is by far the best in Shanghai Panorama. With her I understood totally what GFE experience means. She is sincere and she enjoys providing the best service she can. I have been in Sh for 5 years now and Rose is, by far the best. Not only her BJ is the best, her French kissing, her attitude, she will make you feel special. You can contact her [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]. She is real, real pleasure, real luxury. Not cheap. Best quality.

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[QUOTE=DexXie;2187818]Why won't they do 500? There are literally pages of QQ girls (at least 60 in Xuhui area alone between two sites, as I live there and don't care about other areas) that are <500 for FS 1 shot.

Here's a 600 p girl that I've seen (redo the link yourself). Photos are obviously brushed up, but she's about 80% of the pics and IMO, and definitely hot enough for Judy's / Manhattan's. Amusingly enough, there was at least one guy who was complaining that her price was too high in the thread.

Http aishxx. Biz / thread-460844-1-1. Html.

Speaking of which, still no takers for Judy / Manhattan? First basic drink is on me.[/QUOTE]The website and these QQ girls look impressive. A bit similar to 141 websites and girls in HK, but those are also in English. I guess there will always be a huge segment of the China mongering scene that'll be unavailable to non-Chinese speakers and readers. From reading the forum lately, I cannot believe we non-Chinese are still boffing the same girls (Beverly, Hujing, Maria, etc.) after all these years. For a while, I was using Rain (but she is psycho) and SNG, but after boffing most of those girls, maybe I need to figure out how to tap into the QQ talent. Is it possible for me? Can anyone provide a beginners guide for non-Chinese? And besides, since the crackdown and Steven's and Judy's arrests, I'm a bit nervous to use the new NLO. And because saunas aren't working in the open and since the FS MPs are all gone now, that just leaves Manhattan's and Judy's, and I can't to takeout nor do I want to stay out that late.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2176832]I've been going to Shanghai off and on for the past 8 years. The Mongering scene in Shanghai has already changed a lot in that short time span (mostly downhill).

Eight years back, the girls in Manhattan were a healthy mix of nationalities, with many girls from the PI. Up until just last year, there was a great sauna scene in ShanghI, although prices were going up 10% every year. Up to just last year, happy ending MPs were plentiful and everywhere. Going 5 years back there were also many BBS. About two years ago there was even a vibrant dancehall scene in Shanghai.

But some people say that the scene in Shanghsi was even better 10+ and 20+ years ago. If any of readers lived through that, it would be great in you could send a detailed history of that era. Would be a very interesting read. Anyone up to the challenge?[/QUOTE]Part I:

I've been dealing with Shanghai and the "scene" for over 20 years. I first went to Shanghai in 1998 and used to hang out with a lot of guys who have since come and gone in the original location of the current incarnation of Manhattan which was located on Julu Lu. It used to be a very, very small dive bar along with a bunch of other dive bars on Julu that was managed by a young Lucy, a chick named Angel and of course a bunch of Chinese hookers. During those days I wasn't very interested in picking up hookers in any of those bars because cheap or free fine pieces of ass could be found in almost anyplace around Shanghai including the original Paulaner, Bat's Bar in Pudong and old disco called MGM and a few other places like Judy's on Maoming, DKD etc. Those were the wild and crazy days of Shanghai where the girls were cheap and sometimes just wanted to hookup with a foreigner. You could get a girl to go home with you on Friday, pay her and then she'd stay the rest of the weekend, hang out and fuck without asking for anything more. It was a fun time and most expats were pretty friendly and easy to get along with. Now, the bars are full of pretentious people from all walks of life including expats and Chinese. I've known Lucy on a personal basis for over 20 years as well and she has always treated me very well. She knows her stuff. Manhattan moved to Maoming a few short years after I arrived in Shanghai and the bar was still a hopping good place. That was when the bar's girls started to change and went through many changes and nationalities. It was also located across the street from DKD, Judy's and the original Blue Frog. First came the Chinese, mostly non-local provincial types but good looking and a lot of fun, next came the Mongolians who were very good looking and super fun but after getting drunk they'd start fist fights and brawls amongst themselves and go as far as ripping each other's clothes off while Lucy and her team were trying to pull them apart. Next the Filipinos moved in, some of the girls you still see in the bar are from that era, yes don't let the makeup fool you. Along with the Fils came the Russians. A bit more friendly back then and not yet spoiled by the Chinese because they didn't have money or an ounce of class back then. After that, the Thais started moving in and were in competition with the Fils. At the time is was probably 50/50 in terms of pussy balance. That scene lasted quite a while until the government decided to turn a great bar street into a boring park and theater. Manhattan and Judy's then moved over to. (more to come in Part II).

[QUOTE=Heyid;2187867]Thanks for the suggestions regarding short-term hotels.

Ended up going to a sauna earlier than planned. I found a good chunk of free time earlier this afternoon and hit up both of the WeChat contacts. Yao Yao at Tang Palace responded first so I went there. Got off at the Xingzhong Metro #9 stop and took a brief cab ride along Caobaolu to the place, which is above a Pizza Hut. Yao Yao met me outside and took me up, walked through the back of a restaurant (seemed a little sketch) and a couple of turns later ended up in what I assume is a fishbowl room. Did walk past a locker room and shower area but wasn't offered them. About 20 girls showed up for the lineup, only 1 was normal grade (1400), 7 were be (1800), and 5-6 each of the higher grades. Went with No. 815, who was be grade and had the young, petite look I wanted and was pretty much the only girl that looked my way. Many seemed unenthusiastic, especially among the higher priced ones. Face 7-8 (had some makeup but otherwise looked like someone out of a Chinese advert for tea or something), body 8 (B cup, 150 cm, not much of a backside but everything was just for my taste). Went up to a room with bed and shower, got undressed, showered, and laid down on the bed for a tongue bath (which is a first and felt awesome) and rimming. Didn't seem to excited about touching, she would occasionally reposition herself away from my hands. Flipped over and the tongue bath slowly escalated into a BJ. I then donned cover and finished in mish. Decided to just lay there for 15 minutes with her in my arms. After the fuck she was a lot more comfortable with touching, asked several times if I wanted to go again (seemed disappointed when I wanted to just cuddle). Another shower, got dressed, and went downstairs to settle with the manager. Only downside was that we didn't kiss. For 1800 RMB I'd say this experience is more of a novelty for me. Similar / slightly more expensive pricing to Kgirls back in the states, who follow a similar script but Kgirls are definitely much more GFE with their tongue-down-your-throat kissing. I guess the advantage here is the lineup and seeing if girls make eye contact with you for potential interest, though with Kgirls I've never had one that didn't seem interested in me LOL. I guess I came a year too late or something when prices were cheaper.

Still here for another 4 or 5 days but my schedule seems to be pretty packed, so chances of mongering again are not too high. If I do go again, I'm pretty evenly split among escorts, another sauna trip, or something new. Already have a date arranged in NYC to help with the jetlag after getting back into the US. Hope these small contributions might help other members in this forum.[/QUOTE]Nice, thanks for the intel.

Hi, haven't posted in long time even got my rank demoted.

Anyway, anyone have recommendations on white / black women available in Shanghai?

Been out of the p4 p game for a bit and completely out of touch.

Thanks.

In Shanghai for a few weeks and I've been doing a lot of walking around hitting spas during the day. This afternoon I did a session at G Spa, which is on Xinzha Road just West of Xinchang Road on the North side of the street. Be aware that they have male masseuses working here too. Upon entering I was greeted by some guys who asked me to sit down, showed me a picture of oiled Chinese guys on his phone and asked "boys"? I replied "girls"! He quoted me 300 and led me upstairs. He brought out two girls, both good looking, and both looking early 20's. I selected #2, who was a hot looking blonde Chinese. She would tell me later that she was only half Chinese and was also half Caucasian. I think she said he father was Chinese and he mother Russian. I showered and then she gave a very therapeutic, in no way sensual massage, while I was totally naked. On the flip she stripped naked and felt me up a bit while I finger a banged her. After a few minutes, #2 applied copious oil to and around my cock, and then oiled herself up. She began to sliding her oiled body up and down mine while squeezing her tits together around my shaft. He tits were very nice as well. I was pretty into it and we did this for a while. Eventually, once I had my share, I unloaded on her chest. We washed up and then I made my way downstairs, squared up at the desk, and said bye to number 2 as I made my way out.

[QUOTE=Kusadumi;2188367]Hi, haven't posted in long time even got my rank demoted.

Anyway, anyone have recommendations on white / black women available in Shanghai?

Been out of the p4 p game for a bit and completely out of touch.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nightlife online has one black lady (I believe Jane), but haven't tried. They also usually have one or two white Russians. Again never tried. Not sure if you were just looking for leads or wanted experienced recommendations. I've been stuck on Asian mode ever since I first tried, myself.

[QUOTE=Kusadumi;2188367]Hi, haven't posted in long time even got my rank demoted.

Anyway, anyone have recommendations on white / black women available in Shanghai?

Been out of the p4 p game for a bit and completely out of touch.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Some people surelly have BS excuses to justify always asking for help yet not contributing one bit.

Try Bar Rouge.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2188590]Some people surelly have BS excuses to justify always asking for help yet not contributing one bit.

Try Bar Rouge.[/QUOTE]You know what, thanks for actually saying that and made me go find my old username.

Also, thank you for the recommendations. You are welcome to view my past contributions.

-K.

[QUOTE=Vermonter;2188537]Nightlife online has one black lady (I believe Jane), but haven't tried. They also usually have one or two white Russians. Again never tried. Not sure if you were just looking for leads or wanted experienced recommendations. I've been stuck on Asian mode ever since I first tried, myself.[/QUOTE]Back then, it was craigslist, then they just don't allow WG ads anymore.

Thanks.

I visited Dream Spa, which is in the shopping center on Xinchang Road just South of Xinzha Road on the West side of the street. I asked for the oil massage at the desk and the guy confirmed the typical 398 rate. I was led to the room and shortly thereafter a girl came in. She was fairly attractive in the face, but a little heavier then I like. She was wearing a black teddy that disappeared after the back massage. She spoke decent English too. She gave a decent enough back massage, then stripped off her top and oiled up my ass. She gave a good tease of the balls and then a nice slow handjob to the finale. I got a little tour of the joint from her on the way out. She said that they have 4 girls and all give services comparable to hers. I may try it again later to see if I can get a hotter girl.

So talked with some QQ girls to know their situation better.

Vast majority are not native Shanghai, but from other provinces. Majority are managed (in terms of there is another person that does the ads and booking). They move around a LOT. They usually rent out apartments from the Chinese equivalent of AirBnB. Think 2-4 weeks here, head home, 2-4 weeks there, etc. So yea, defininitely not going to do the Chinese AirBnB in the future, especially lower end, in lieu of this info.

Service is very inconsistent. I had a 400 p girl show very little interest in me, so I gtfo'ed after a shot. Another 400 p girl demanded I have a Chinese phone number (like wtf? A 500 p girl that was quite GFE and wouldn't stop talking. As you would guess, 'p' is 1 shot, with time limited to 50-60 minutes. Going to try an overnight and see what happens with a new 600 p girl that was quite friendly / chatty. Service definitely not on par with Bay-Area k-girl, but the girls can be just as hot or better and cheaper. On that aishxx website I linked, there is actually a review forum. So I try to get the ones with good reviews and stay away from the 1*'s. If you sign up (which I haven't) and buy tokens or whatever, you can unlock better content. Some guys that review post 'real' non-Photoshopped pics, and even sex acts.

Like I mentioned before, I do not read / write Chinese fluently. I usually have difficulty finding the Apartments myself. So if you want help, buddy up with someone that can read / write fluently (you can outcall overnight, but you run the risk of getting a bad service girl). The incalls are sometimes deep in residential zones, so if you don't look Asian, you'll stand out. With that in mind, PM me and I'll try to do what I can. I digress, my Chinese reading / writing is bad, so I am quite limited in what I can do.

P.S. Still no one for Judy / Manhattan? Geez!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2187976]I'd pay 1000 for that any day. At 600, I'd try to 2 shots for 1200.

Please help me when I come back to shanghai. We'll be best friends. Haha.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Sure PM me and see if I can help, but I'm limited too due to shitty Chinese skills.

Note that 'pp' means 2 shots. So 1100 for 2 shots. Yuge discount!

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2188018]I'd like to see her without the doctored photos (I also saw some reference to that in comments), but ok man, convinced me, I'll try qq.[/QUOTE]She's quite different compared to most QQ girls. She runs a very active QQ profile, and posts a decent amount of new pictures there. So you can see for yourself.

Not super-GFE, but quite friendly and unrushed when I saw her. Although seemed a little tired.

OK so where have all the African hunnies in Judy's gone?

I was in Judy's last week and was expecting to find maybe 6 or 7 black girls. Last time I was there (just before Christmas) I met a number of very sexy African ladies and regretted not going with one of them at the time. So, eager to put this right, I went back last week and much to my dismay I couldn't find any. Have they been forced out by the ring-masters?

Anyway, I need to report my back experience with "Sandy" from Kenya, who was sitting close by just outside Judy's on the way to Manhattan. I walked past her and made eye contact. A definite 8. We chatted a bit and then went for a couple of drinks at Manhattan while it was raining outside. She was young (25), slim and had wonderful rounded breasts on a slim body with pointy nipples showing through her crop top. After a couple of drinks and a few laughs she offered me 2000 for the night, but then finally agreed to 1000. Maybe I should have read the warning signs!

We went back to my hotel where she demolished the mini bar and then asked to be paid before taking off her clothes. Mistake No. 2.

Guys, this girl is serious bad news! She suddenly developed a real bad attitude problem and started accusing me of all sorts of crazy stuff. In the end it was all I could do just to get her out of the room. Watch out for her and avoid her like the plague!

Surely not all African girls are like her in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=Kusadumi;2188367]Hi, haven't posted in long time even got my rank demoted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KZero;2188766]You know what, thanks for actually saying that and made me go find my old username.[/QUOTE]

Np. It confirms you were using a BS excuse since you were not demoted as you claimed but apparently just too lazy to log on your original account :)

[QUOTE=Magik;2188818]I visited Dream Spa[/QUOTE]Nice report Magik, it seems from your review that your experience was better at the 300 RMB place vs the 398 RMB one.

Just so you know there is another MP not far from your first spot if you walk towards Chengdu Bei Lu. The MP is at the corner of the highway.
It used to offer similar service. Walls are black and name in white and the have spa written.

[QUOTE=TommyGoat;2188991]OK so where have all the African hunnies in Judy's gone?....................... Have they been forced out by the ring-masters?[/QUOTE]African girls have been banned from Judy's since it was forcibly shut some months back.

You can try Vue Bar at Hyatt on the Bund and my African regulars in Shanghai tell me Windows Garage W Nanjing Lu has become a second home for Africans. But I have not ben there so cannot confirm. Next visit I will definitely check it out. Also Zapatas of copurse and late night places like Hollywood but it's hours way too late for me.

[QUOTE=TommyGoat;2188991]OK so where have all the African hunnies in Judy's gone?

Surely not all African girls are like her in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]One of the reasons I asked for recommendations is also this, not trying to say all, but seems like most African girls are here to scam or rushed.

Nothing too special, but one of the few MPs that operating seemingly like normal on southwest corner of Changde and Xinfeng roads. Stairs up to 2nd floor, nothing to negotiate but a simple yes / no. Room seemed a little old with a shower unit in a corner ripped out, instead there's a communal locker / shower area for anyone who misses the awkward sauna experience. Pretty basic massage and he, the one I had kept clothes on but allowed touching. Actually offered FS which I passed on because: a) a little tired; b) don't like upsell, though since I didn't even hear the pitch it's within the realm of possibility it was a freebie, hehe; and c) most importantly, passed by another girl I would've much preferred, but who was occupied at the time. Interesting note, had some kind of customer card that got stamped. Far as I can tell it's 300 until you collect 10, after which it's 250.

This week is very windy in Shanghai.

Stay safe!

Hi friends,

I shall be in Shanghai from June 15th to 25th for a business visit. Can someone please help me with the general mongering situation there and what places to go for.

Suggestion on which areas to stay shall be helpful.

Also, some good night clubs will be interesting to know. Also, is there any regularised / legal red light are there and how strict is the LE there?

I know I have asked a lot of questions, any answers shall be highly appreciated.

And if any of you ever visits Delhi / Gurgaon, shall help in every possible way.

Cheers,

Abhi.

New to forum. Visiting Shanghai for work and wanted to report on recent experiences. Decided to hit up Spring Massage as I first visited the location on Wanping Rd last month when I was here. Decided on Spring due to the many reviews it received here. First visit last month was standard, paid 398 rmb decent massage, decent girl. Nothing special, and got a solid handjob with some breast play in. Tipped at the end, but the girl (probably early 40's) seemed genuinely happy / surprised that I gave her anything extra. Next time I will try to avoid the tip if necessary unless outstanding skills are provided.

Anyways fast forward to yesterday, I hit the Spring Massage on Madang Road. (2nd floor) paid 336 rmb got a pretty hot 20's to early 30's girl, very poor massage (barely 15 minutes), flipped over and since I'm American and don't speak Chinese, she pulled out her phone and translated "is this your first time? In which I replied "no", she asked if I knew that extra's come with tips, we had some back and forth and asked about services. Basically suggested BBBJ / FS. She said sex is not offered. Tried hard to negotiate that, but came up short. In the end I ended up finger banging her while getting a pretty nice handjob. Blew a solid load, she cleaned me up and I was on my way. In the end I paid 300 rmb tip and overall would say it was a decent experience, but basically at NYC prices / standard. Thinking about it now, would most likely go back to check out other providers and see what extras I could negotiate.

2nd visit later that night, I went out and passed by a spa in Caojia Ferry, I want to say it's on the southeast corner of Yanping and Wuding 2nd floor. If you're there you can't miss it. I recognized it as having the same cobranding as the Spring Massage I went to on Madang (I think it's called Yu Ya Spa or something like that) so decided to give it a shot. This time I paid 216 rmb since the last Spring Massage made it clear tips are extra so I figured I could save with the lower rate oil massage. Bottom line, got a really nice 60 minute massage with no he which sucked so in the end called the manager over and asked about special services. In the end had to pay another 336 rmb and change rooms for service. This time I asked to see the lineup, manager brought 2, but the one (whom I saw earlier when I walked in) was hot so I happily chose her and agreed to pay more. Basically same deal as last massage same technique, 15 minutes max, flipped and asked how much tip I pay for extra service. She was hot (late 20's early 30's) and started at 500 rmb, I tried to negotiate BBBJ or FS in which she said handjob only. In the end, I paid 400 rmb to play with her pussy and grab her amazing breasts. Handjob was standard, and she blocked me from fully touching her pussy so not ideal, but in the end I blew a nice load and felt good about it since she was pretty hot. Overall decent experience, but would probably go back to Spring Massage on Madang to see what more I could pull.

Anybody have any recommendations for BBBJ / FS service at a MP around Jing'an area? I have one more day left and would like to explore. Thanks!

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2189406]Nothing too special, but one of the few MPs that operating seemingly like normal on southwest corner of Changde and Xinfeng roads. Stairs up to 2nd floor, nothing to negotiate but a simple yes / no. Room seemed a little old with a shower unit in a corner ripped out, instead there's a communal locker / shower area for anyone who misses the awkward sauna experience. Pretty basic massage and he, the one I had kept clothes on but allowed touching. Actually offered FS which I passed on because: a) a little tired; b) don't like upsell, though since I didn't even hear the pitch it's within the realm of possibility it was a freebie, hehe; and c) most importantly, passed by another girl I would've much preferred, but who was occupied at the time. Interesting note, had some kind of customer card that got stamped. Far as I can tell it's 300 until you collect 10, after which it's 250.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip! I stopped by today and would actually say this is a diamond in the rough. One quick friendly correction from the post is that it's on the southeast corner of Changde & Xinfeng, but you can't miss it with thr big sign that says "Spa".

Paid the 300 (298 to be exact), got lucky and got a really attractive girl who was definitely under the age of 30, skinny and nice face. Almost innocent looking. Wore a nice short skirt as well which added to the appeal. Was led to the sauna changing room, quick shower then back in the room for a rub. Rub was decent, unrushed, started rubbing my balls then flipped. Was expecting a tip convo but rather she started stroking me while I started rubbing her pussy over her panties. At this point I was aroused and asked about FS, but was denied. Although the service was basic in this case, on the way out I saw some other decent talent with only 1 other older woman who definitely looked like she would offer FS. I think it's worth it to go and report on FS. Heading out paid the agreed amount of 300, not once asked about extra tip, spoke to the papasan who was cool and spoke decent English. Told him I would share the news and pass along the word. I will echo what the previous posted mentioned in that the rooms are older and a little bit beat, but chances are most of us don't care about ambience only in that we can get decent service at a good price. To be honest if I wasn't leaving tomorrow I would be back ASAP!

Friendly warning, that place was previously called Sawadika, don't know what it's called now. Used to be well known within the locals. There were previously 2 places side by side. However, it seems that place is the first to get raided whenever there's a crackdown. They don't seem to have any pull with LE considering that its been closed numerous times in the past couple of years. Doesn't help that a precinct is within walking distance. Stay safe.

What's up guys. New to here, my friend introduced me to this website and said I could be helpful. So I am Chinese but came to US long time ago. Go back to Shanghai every summer to visit. Would love to meet new friends from all over the world. I know many places in Shanghai (being hunting since 2009 haha) and thought we can share some infos. Hit me up if you think we can be hunting buddies LOL. No BS. Add me on wechat!

Sorry for being late with this. She was not that good, kind of mechanical. But the word out there she is trying to be the next Beverly Jones. Switched back to my regulars when I was in SH. It just feel more comfortable with my old friends.

[QUOTE=Marty47;2167658]Just got back from SH last month and have to go back again in a week. Since I been doing this for close to 20 years, I have my favorites that I hook up with, over 20 nowadays. So I thought, should find some new ones. Searched Badoo and found a cute Viet. Contacted her, got on We Chat and she sent these to entice me, thought I would share. Will report back in two weeks and let you know how it went.[/QUOTE]

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I recently stopped in to check out this spa on Sichuan, about a block North of Haining, on the East side of the street. The sign is pretty easy to spot. Took the elevator up to the 4th floor, and was met at the desk by two very smiley ladies. I confirmed that I was interested in an oil massage at the rate of 398, and one led me back to a room to make myself comfortable in. Shortly thereafter a girl came in. She was not too bad looking, and was wearing some heels and a little skirt. She didn't cover me up, and after a rub, and a tease, she proceeded to give a nice oiled ending. I have included shots of the business card that I picked up on the way out. I would probably go back if I am in the neighborhood just to try to scope the talent, but otherwise, I have found better options around town.

Does anyone have knowledge about ladies who appear on [URL]www.beautyleg.com[/URL].

I have heard that some are high class escorts, I have also heard that the website is a front to advertise escorts, I have also heard that certain girls do escorting but not through the website.

There are some amazing ladies pictured on the website.

Any info is appreciated or if any one knows of escort services who provide this level of escort.

Starting in September my company has me traveling to many asian cities. I am trying to re-learn the ropes.

Thanks.

Hello,

Is Manhattan open?

I staying in New World Hotel. Are there some options around?

[QUOTE=VagHunter;2189848]Anyways fast forward to yesterday, I hit the Spring Massage on Madang Road. (2nd floor) paid 336 rmb got a pretty hot 20's to early 30's girl, very poor massage (barely 15 minutes), flipped over and since I'm American and don't speak Chinese, she pulled out her phone and translated "is this your first time? In which I replied "no", she asked if I knew that extra's come with tips, we had some back and forth and asked about services. Basically suggested BBBJ / FS. She said sex is not offered. Tried hard to negotiate that, but came up short. In the end I ended up finger banging her while getting a pretty nice handjob. Blew a solid load, she cleaned me up and I was on my way. In the end I paid 300 rmb tip and overall would say it was a decent experience, but basically at NYC prices / standard. Thinking about it now, would most likely go back to check out other providers and see what extras I could negotiate.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think you're right. Spring is actually a franchise operation and some, including Madang Road are run by Yu Spa. I had stopped going there because they always try to up-sell on the oil before you start. It irritated me that they show you a price for an oil massage and then charge extra for oil. Also Yaan Road, Wanping Road and Maoming Road are under different management and they were the first to start offering expanded services for no extra charge a few years back. Anyway since last year's stormy weather, those days are over, so, a couple of weeks ago I found myself near Madang Road with time on my hands. The girl, number 65, was probably in her 30's. After an excellent massage, things got oily. After the flip, she offered to give a full prostate massage for tips. We ended up settling for 300 (which seems to be fairly standard these days) and boy did she know what she was doing. I got the impression that more was on offer for more tips, but I had reached my budget limit and, er, physical limit too by then.

Definitely planning a return visit soon. I generally like to go with a random choice every time, but I'm thinking #65 will be getting a second chance.

BTW: There's also a Yu Spa on Xietu Road, near Ruijin Road, that doesn't have any Spring branding. I haven't tried it yet so I don't know what services are on offer. Has anyone else tried this one?

From what I've been reading, you guys do know that he is included in the price, right? Whatever tip they are asking for should be more than just fondling. E. G. Stripping fingering, kissing, etc. It's getting to a point where I see everyones visit comes with standard tipping. Tipping for good service is fine, but if you think it's obligatory, then it's not. You go in asking for a special massage. If you don't get anything special, then what's special about it?

[QUOTE=MisterLii;2191475]BTW: There's also a Yu Spa on Xietu Road, near Ruijin Road, that doesn't have any Spring branding. I haven't tried it yet so I don't know what services are on offer. Has anyone else tried this one?[/QUOTE]My understanding (from a friend not my personal experience) is that Yu Spa (when branded as Yu Spa, not Spring) is pure veggie service.

OK so there may be limited folks that would be in this area of shanghai on this forum, but I thought I would post just in case there are some. Just over the line between Minhang and Songjiang on Xinsong Road (officially part of Xinqiao qu) are a bunch of MPs. Now a number I visited before last years windy season and things have changed since then so I will only report on the ones that I visited recently.

The first one is located in the same building as the McDonald's. This place has been open only about month. Because of the area I was expecting MP with he and option for extras. But I wasn't sure so I just went with the flow. Shower in the room. Good sign. But girl asked me to get changed and in the table with no shower. Bad sign. She was dressed in full veggie MP outfit. Bad sign. She wasn't warm in demeanor at all. Bad sign as she probably wasn't working for tips. Anyway, long story short, I got a very good veggie massage on back, upper butt, legs with no teasing at all, then on the flip got a mechanical HJ with nothing extra at all. Not sure if it was the girl or the place, so I'm willing to try one more time with different girl to see if better experience. Total cost 298 RMB.

The second one is located in the same building as ICBC bank. This one I've been to 10 or 15 times in the past 2 years, but has changed recently and I will just report on last two visits. First visit I got very young girl, she said she was 20 I believe, very hot if you like the traditional Chinese beauty aesthetic. Petite. They have three price tear: 298 for HE, 398 for HE topless, and 598 for HE fully nude. No additional tips for those. They don't provide FS regardless, but you might get additional extras with tips if you try. I haven't yet. So I went for full nude. Average massage, good teasing then all out fondling of the boys and little brother from behind, then on to the flip and her clothes came off. Very sensual tongue, tits, and hair teasing and HJ finish. I got in a little nipple licking, breast and ass touching but limited as she would kinda move out signaling she didn't want it and I'm not the type to pressure. Second visit, 24 year old, petite but as I learned from playing she had implants although small implants. Also I think she was pierced on her nipples but rings were out. Went for topless this time because I was short on money. They all wear pants, so there is no access unless you pay for it. Anyway, this time virtually no massage. She went topless and rubbed her breasts all over my body, kissed my nipples, blew in my ears, and decent HJ. Got to suck and massage her breasts, but to be honest I was dieing to get her pants off. Especially when she rode me cowboy and pressed her pussy on my little brother. Learned my lesson to always bring the cash. 598 is not cheap. You can get FS with QQ girls for about the same and nude at Spring for 200 less, but the convenience, cleanliness, and proximity of this place to home all make this my go to MP.

Note that there is also DTD foot massage place in the area. Pure veggie MP.

OK, if anyone wants more information about this area let me know and I will report on additional locations as I revisit the local circuit.

Maybe a decent option for some, since virtually no chance of trouble with LE. But still: None of them seems to look anywhere near as hot or as young as their photos, so there's the inevitable letdown as you enter the apartment. The tight tummy becomes flabby, the gorgeous face becomes homely. I never tried the expensive ones (1,500-2,000) since you can get near-model quality at a sauna for that price. Why not take advantage of a sauna keeping their girls in line? The ones I tried tended to be about 600.

I still prefer sauna for high-end, Manhattan for mid-range and freebies for the occasional adventure, as I like to select myself. I still occasionally pop into massage parlors for low-end, but just on a lark. However, with qq's, you show up after a 45-min trek and have little choice but to do the deed with a 5.

Thanks to all the brothers intel, any info on options near the Bund and Peoples Park area?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Vermonter;2191837]My understanding (from a friend not my personal experience) is that Yu Spa (when branded as Yu Spa, not Spring) is pure veggie service.[/QUOTE]The Yu Spa on 585 Jianging offers the same 336 massage with he.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2191805]From what I've been reading, you guys do know that he is included in the price, right? Whatever tip they are asking for should be more than just fondling. E. G. Stripping fingering, kissing, etc. It's getting to a point where I see everyones visit comes with standard tipping. Tipping for good service is fine, but if you think it's obligatory, then it's not. You go in asking for a special massage. If you don't get anything special, then what's special about it?[/QUOTE]I agree. Some of the tipping at Spring / Yu that's been reported lately is too high unless they are getting extras beyond he. I tip 200 and the girls get completely naked and offer GFE with FIV, DATY, DFK, some BBBJ, etc. And 200 must be a decent tip because they message me on WeChat every couple of weeks asking me when I am returning, and even offering to come in before their shift to see me. But these girls know I'm a regular, so maybe that's why I get treated well for 200.

Oh am I glad to read this report.

I work in that area and, sometimes, have a couple of hours to kill or wish to have a more, er, diversified lunch diet.

So, thank you Vermonter and yes, I am interested in getting more insight on that area.

Just a quick location question. I looked at Maps and there are mC Donald's and ICBC together both east and west of the new Jiamin elevated highway. Which one is the location you refer to?

[QUOTE=Vermonter;2191851]OK so there may be limited folks that would be in this area of shanghai on this forum, but I thought I would post just in case there are some. Just over the line between Minhang and Songjiang on Xinsong Road (officially part of Xinqiao qu) are a bunch of MPs. Now a number I visited before last years windy season and things have changed since then so I will only report on the ones that I visited recently.[/QUOTE]

I returned a few times to the MP on Huashan lu.

Not easy to find nowadays as the building is being renovated from the outside.

The MP is in operation.

This time I let the lottery play and was serviced by a older mature girl, mid 30's. I am not in my prime myself, so I usually am not that picky. Besides, I like it when there is a little bit more meat on the bone.

I took the 60 min oil msg for 298.

Masseuses are in uniformed veggie outfit.

No shower in room but there is one on the 2 the floor.

#6, is a brunette with very long hair, smiley and soft. Not that pretty but a nice see cup and firm bum.

Started with ok massage with lots of teasing on the bottom part. Then after flip, started with very good HJ, I tried to access under uniform and she obliged. Ended up sucking her meaty hard nipples with a hand between her legs.

At one point, I intended to better grab the breasts and seated on the table. She understood my intent differently and took off her pants completely, fished out a condom and there we went. Although she told me that FS was not on offer in the MP.

Not sure she would do that with all, I felt there was some kind of connection.

Action was nice and tight, enthusiastic and wet.

Happily left a nice tip.

Will definitely return.

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2192162]Oh am I glad to read this report.

I work in that area and, sometimes, have a couple of hours to kill or wish to have a more, er, diversified lunch diet.

So, thank you Vermonter and yes, I am interested in getting more insight on that area.

Just a quick location question. I looked at Maps and there are mC Donald's and ICBC together both east and west of the new Jiamin elevated highway. Which one is the location you refer to?[/QUOTE]No problem. My pleasure to report! I'm talking about west side of Jaimie Hwy. After passing under the highway coming from Xinzhuang, you will find theses MPs and some others on the right side of Xinsong road all the way up until you get to the new mall. Please report if you try.

[QUOTE=MisterLii;2191475]Definitely planning a return visit soon. I generally like to go with a random choice every time, but I'm thinking #65 will be getting a second chance.[/QUOTE]I went for the return visit today to Madang Lu, ready to ask for #65. Unfortunately only veggie menu is available. Not sure if that's because of predicted stormy weather or just the usual June jitters running over a bit longer this year. I didn't take them up on the veggie offer. Instead, I headed to Honolulu on Taikang Lu. This place is more expensive because of its tourist location, but it's quite up-market and clean. It also managed to keep providing at least some service during the rocky period last year. Today, however, I was led down a different corridor to an unpleasant room away from the standard rooms with no shower. There were two massage tables pushed together suggesting that there were no mis-apprehensions about what was expected to happen. I decided it was probably wise to make my excuses and leave.

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2192187]I returned a few times to the MP on Huashan lu.

Not easy to find nowadays as the building is being renovated from the outside.

The MP is in operation.

This time I let the lottery play and was serviced by a older mature girl, mid 30's. I am not in my prime myself, so I usually am not that picky. Besides, I like it when there is a little bit more meat on the bone.

I took the 60 min oil msg for 298.

Masseuses are in uniformed veggie outfit.

No shower in room but there is one on the 2 the floor.

#6, is a brunette with very long hair, smiley and soft. Not that pretty but a nice see cup and firm bum.

Started with ok massage with lots of teasing on the bottom part. Then after flip, started with very good HJ, I tried to access under uniform and she obliged. Ended up sucking her meaty hard nipples with a hand between her legs.

At one point, I intended to better grab the breasts and seated on the table. She understood my intent differently and took off her pants completely, fished out a condom and there we went. Although she told me that FS was not on offer in the MP.

Not sure she would do that with all, I felt there was some kind of connection.

Action was nice and tight, enthusiastic and wet.

Happily left a nice tip.

Will definitely return.[/QUOTE]You're talking about the MP on 1565 Huashan, right? This place is the epitome of YMMV. One guy said he got a BBBJ with CIM finish from a young provider. I went and got a very good he with and without tip from two different older gals with huge jugs. Then someone angrily posted that this place was a waste of time, and got no extras. And from everyone's description of the place, I know we are all talking about the same place.

How much did you tip for FS? Can't be much. They are old fatties, but for 500 it would be worthwhile and fun. I like huge tits on fatties every once in a while.

Good to hear the renovation is done. I went a few weeks ago and it was closed because of the renovation.

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2192187]I returned a few times to the MP on Huashan lu.

Not easy to find nowadays as the building is being renovated from the outside.

The MP is in operation.

This time I let the lottery play and was serviced by a older mature girl, mid 30's. I am not in my prime myself, so I usually am not that picky. Besides, I like it when there is a little bit more meat on the bone.

I took the 60 min oil msg for 298.

Masseuses are in uniformed veggie outfit.

No shower in room but there is one on the 2 the floor.

#6, is a brunette with very long hair, smiley and soft. Not that pretty but a nice see cup and firm bum.

Started with ok massage with lots of teasing on the bottom part. Then after flip, started with very good HJ, I tried to access under uniform and she obliged. Ended up sucking her meaty hard nipples with a hand between her legs.

At one point, I intended to better grab the breasts and seated on the table. She understood my intent differently and took off her pants completely, fished out a condom and there we went.[/QUOTE]Yep, which is the exact address of Huashan road? I work nearby and I would like to pay a courtesy visit.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2192615]You're talking about the MP on 1565 Huashan, right? [/QUOTE]That's right. Been there about 10 times. Never had a bad experience.

I tipped 500, yes.

You feel that management is not too keen on having other stuff than he going on as there is some kind of tension when there is noise in the corridor.

The member who reported a bad experience clearly was in a room on the ground floor, which may be a bit too exposed for anything else than vegggie. Lesson: always ask for an upstairs room.

Anyone has an address to recommend around Gubei or Hongmei Lu. Place was decimated, not sure it is waking up from the ashes. (I mean, other than spring close to Carrefour.).

I have known of this forum for quite some time but never really perused through it much.

I have been in Shanghai for half a year and mostly uses the qq and wechat app to contact with the wl. Those wl.

The reason why I didn't always opt for the sauna, was because of its exorbitant pricing which can range from 1298 for a lower rank to about 4998 for the s class. Which to me is crazy, especially when the government is scrutinizing them. I do have some sauna's manager wechat contact, but I must warned all of you that right now there is not that many sauna that allows T-stage selection. But rather it is incall to their hotel, after you have told them which girls you like from the photo album that they shared.

I didn't really visit any massage parlour because well I didn't expect much from them. Since the government is coming hard on this, I don't want to take any risks. However after seeing so many good reviews I might reconsider.

So back to the qq girls. For those who wished to give it a try and want to know how do you communicate if you don't understand Chinese?

First is the greeting.

The usual Hi / ni hao.

They will usually reply the Hi or just get straight to the point. Whereby they will list out their usual services that they will provide and how much for a pop or shot. Usually between 300-600/ p.

If you are the long stamina person and wished to know how much it is for 2 shot or pp.

May I know how much will it cost for 2 shots.

Next is finding out their address. Some girls might give it to you after sharing their pricing and services.

For those that doesn't.

Where are you staying?

They will give you the address and you can just copy and paste it in Google map. It is better to use Google map to navigate if you are using the public transport. If you are using didi, copy and paste the address. If you are tskubg the cab, showed the driver the address.

Next is booking a slot.

Let say you wanted to book a slot at 6 pm.

Will you be available at 6 pm?

Hit me up if you need any help. You can add me on wechat too.

[QUOTE=MisterLii;2192562]I went for the return visit today to Madang Lu, ready to ask for #65. Unfortunately only veggie menu is available. Not sure if that's because of predicted stormy weather or just the usual June jitters running over a bit longer this year. I didn't take them up on the veggie offer. Instead, I headed to Honolulu on Taikang Lu. This place is more expensive because of its tourist location, but it's quite up-market and clean. It also managed to keep providing at least some service during the rocky period last year. Today, however, I was led down a different corridor to an unpleasant room away from the standard rooms with no shower. There were two massage tables pushed together suggesting that there were no mis-apprehensions about what was expected to happen. I decided it was probably wise to make my excuses and leave.[/QUOTE]This place has always been cautious. The first time I went, I asked for the 336 oil massage. The front desk girl then ushered me into a room and asked me what I really wanted and I said a happy massage and she said it was not available. So I said okay I'll leave. Then she said it is available. I got a decent provider and I asked her why I was initially denied the 336 massage and she said they don't like strangers asking for 336 option these days. So I added her on WeChat and now I just book with her directly. The only crappy thing about this place is the extra charge for the oil.

Belated report.

Been trying more QQ girls. Ran into an interesting situation. Two girls were sharing a 2 BR apartment on short term lease. There was another guy there being serviced, so I just kind of sat around while the other duo finish their shower routine. Nothing like awkward silence. Session was good, and the girl (cost 500 p) was accommodating. Tried to book her the day after, but she took that day off, suggested her room-mate. Ironically, the room-mate cost 700 p, and IMO, was worse looking than the 500 p girl. I swear the only thing locals care about is boob size, height, and anime face.

And some people are asking if the girls in the ads are the actual girls? Yes they are, but they wear makeup plus photoshop magic. For example, that 500 p girl I saw above, I was only 50% sure it was the girl in the pics. Only AFTER I saw the tattoo on her ankle in the pics and in person, was I like. Holy shit. That IS the same person.

[QUOTE=Gasdz;2192901]I have known of this forum for quite some time but never really perused through it much.

I have been in Shanghai for half a year and mostly uses the qq and wechat app to contact with the wl. Those wl.

The reason why I didn't always opt for the sauna, was because of its exorbitant pricing which can range from 1298 for a lower rank to about 4998 for the s class. Which to me is crazy, especially when the government is scrutinizing them. I do have some sauna's manager wechat contact, but I must warned all of you that right now there is not that many sauna that allows T-stage selection. But rather it is incall to their hotel, after you have told them which girls you like from the photo album that they shared.

.[/QUOTE]I do saunas because of the hot 19 year old's. But yeah, higher risk and higher prices. Can't find that on qq.

Hopefully, things will normalize again. I'm paying 2200 for what I paid 1100 a year ago.

[QUOTE=Gasdz;2192901]I have known of this forum for quite some time but never really perused through it much.

I have been in Shanghai for half a year and mostly uses the qq and wechat app to contact with the wl. Those wl.

The reason why I didn't always opt for the sauna, was because of its exorbitant pricing which can range from 1298 for a lower rank to about 4998 for the s class. Which to me is crazy, especially when the government is scrutinizing them. I do have some sauna's manager wechat contact, but I must warned all of you that right now there is not that many sauna that allows T-stage selection. But rather it is incall to their hotel, after you have told them which girls you like from the photo album that they shared.

I didn't really visit any massage parlour because well I didn't expect much from them. Since the government is coming hard on this, I don't want to take any risks. However after seeing so many good reviews I might reconsider.

So back to the qq girls. For those who wished to give it a try and want to know how do you communicate if you don't understand Chinese?

First is the greeting.

The usual Hi / ni hao.

They will usually reply the Hi or just get straight to the point. Whereby they will list out their usual services that they will provide and how much for a pop or shot. Usually between 300-600/ p.

If you are the long stamina person and wished to know how much it is for 2 shot or pp.

May I know how much will it cost for 2 shots.

Next is finding out their address. Some girls might give it to you after sharing their pricing and services.

For those that doesn't.

Where are you staying?

They will give you the address and you can just copy and paste it in Google map. It is better to use Google map to navigate if you are using the public transport. If you are using didi, copy and paste the address. If you are tskubg the cab, showed the driver the address.

Next is booking a slot.

Let say you wanted to book a slot at 6 pm.

Will you be available at 6 pm?

Hit me up if you need any help. You can add me on wechat too.[/QUOTE]What is your wechat ID? Anyone on this forum who cannot read / speak Chinese try these QQ girls? For me, when I go to the websites, I just don't know where to begin, as everything is in Chinese. I am surprised someone hasnt rounded up a bunch of them and start an outcall agency. Rumor has it that this is partially how Angels, Lilys, and Kittys (in Beijing) found a lot of their girls.

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[QUOTE=AllForBb;2193298]I have used K-TV girls a lot for overnight fuck, 2500 yuan (about US $400), about 9:00 pm to 9:00 am, unlimited sex. Many times, I can persuade girls to let me fuck without comdom, if they are young and looked clean.
They usually do one man per night, not like MP, many man a day. Many of them are college students, or part-time job at night. Age from 18-22, sometime a little bit younger, sometime a little bit older, but all are good looking with great figures. What do you think about this deal?[/QUOTE]"Lookiing clean" is a weird concept for someone as you say whom has uncovered sexual intercourse with different men each day.

Paying 2500 RMB to catch some of the worse STDs is not my concept of a good deal since you ask.

Soooo. Long story short.

I went to the camera market on Luban Road / Xietu Road. To take the subway, I crossed the street to the south sidewalk of Xietu Road right across a big 'Lianhua' supermarket of some sort.

I spotted a massage place called 'Aroma spa' right next to a compound. The girl standing at the door made eye contact and smiled at me. I don't trust smiles like that, so I decided to further investigate in the matter.

Good massage for 358 includes HE, all-you-can-touch for 200 tip, and I heard '500' gets you FS. Didn't go for that tho. I had two pops. One laying down on my chest with a weird prostate-massage style thing, and another one with an outstanding handjob. The girl's number was sixty-something I believe. I spotted other good looking girls around. Most of them seem young, and wearing pretty decent makeup. They all use uniforms but they can be removed fast.

I'll come back next weekend. This place is far from Jing'an.

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2192630](I mean, other than spring close to Carrefour.).[/QUOTE]I've been looking for the Spring near Gubei CF for the last two years. Where IS it??

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[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2193430]I've been looking for the Spring near Gubei CF for the last two years. Where IS it??[/QUOTE]It is on Wanke Plaza, which is 200 m down from CF on Shuisheng lu, on the right, at the level of the crossing with Huanjincheng lu.

Facing the plaza (U shaped buildings with open space in the middle), Spring is on the second floor of the building located at the left hand side. Entry is at the far end of the building, on the corner. There is usually a guard sitting in the entrance.

Service at that place is consistently good. However, since the crack-down, girls wear pants and limit themselves to HJ, but it all depends on your charm or negotiation skills. FS doesn't seem to be on the menu anymore through.

If you go, please report. (If you don't mind, please share the girl's nr.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2193342]"Lookiing clean" is a weird concept for someone as you say whom has uncovered sexual intercourse with different men each day.

Paying 2500 RMB to catch some of the worse STDs is not my concept of a good deal since you ask.[/QUOTE]Correct what I said. I took those just into the business: students, office ladies who make extra money during the weekend night. Also I asked them to take the HIV / STD test before doing BB sex. I counted over 100 such girls already (bb sex). I tested negative always so far.

Has anybody been by this place recently? I was wondering if #18 has slimmed down.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2173085]Thats interesting because I had reported here a MP on Beijing road / shaanxi road that had been left opened during the big crack down for the Beijing summit last year. They were still running 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Passing by this week, I noticed that the signs were gone and the lights were off. Not sure if they went low profile or permanantly closed as I rarely went there.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure it's the Beijing Lu / Shaanxi Lu place that was trashed. I went to visit in late April. There was no door, just a curtain, and smashed glass everywhere. I pulled aside the curtain and peeked inside: it really was a mess. I hope the girls came out of it alright. They were a nice bunch (unfortunately I didn't have any of their WeChat contact details).

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2193515]Correct what I said. I took those just into the business: students, office ladies who make extra money during the weekend night. Also I asked them to take the HIV / STD test before doing BB sex. I counted over 100 such girls already (bb sex). I tested negative always so far.[/QUOTE]Wait. So you go to a KTV, pick a girl, take them out, persuade them to go bareback, then ask them to go get a blood test, wait for the report, then do the deed?

First of all, the hot girls in Shanghai KTV's usually start work AT 9 pm. They tend to try to stay as late as possible before agreeing to go out. So starting at 9 pm is a stretch. As for 2500 for being the case, I would say that's a feasible amount. What you didn't mention is how much you spent at the KTV. Renting a room comes with a minimum. As we all know, Shanghai isn't cheap. If you are going to say you sat in the public bar area, mamasans refrain from accommodating those clients with girls to go out with, especially at 9 pm. Perhaps, you tipped the mamasan? Then that, would cost a few bills as well.

So what I'm saying basically is that you can't just go in a KTV, pick a hot girl, drop 2500, expect a girl to leave at 9, and stay for 12 hours. This isn't dongguan of yesteryear.

A place in Changning somewhat near the zoo, 1979 Hami Road with closest major road being Hongqiao. No shower in room, but didn't matter as much when it seemed to be fully clothed rubdown, or at least it was with the one I got. Think was #2. She wasn't really my cup of tea but for not knowing what else to do just when with it, pretty obviously wasn't any good at massage. Within 10 nondescript minutes or so was asking if I wanted to add 100 for he or 200 for BJ; couldn't abide by a continuing hour of this monotonous veg and didn't get the feeling she'd be much better with a BJ, so went the middle route. Was slightly awkward in that it was still clothed at this point, unzipping just enough to get the job done. Similarly she pulled up shirt just enough to grope, which continued till the end. Think it started at 168 but could've been 158/178/188. Somehow blanking on the middle digit.

Not exactly the most amazing experience, but not sure of any other places in the area that offers anything similar. Might be possible to get better mileage, this time just didn't feel like the vibe was there.

[QUOTE=Vermonter;2191851]OK so there may be limited folks that would be in this area of shanghai on this forum, but I thought I would post just in case there are some. Just over the line between Minhang and Songjiang on Xinsong Road (officially part of Xinqiao qu) are a bunch of MPs. Now a number I visited before last years windy season and things have changed since then so I will only report on the ones that I visited recently.

The first one is located in the same building as the McDonald's. This place has been open only about month. Because of the area I was expecting MP with he and option for extras. But I wasn't sure so I just went with the flow. Shower in the room. Good sign. But girl asked me to get changed and in the table with no shower. Bad sign. She was dressed in full veggie MP outfit. Bad sign. She wasn't warm in demeanor at all. Bad sign as she probably wasn't working for tips. Anyway, long story short, I got a very good veggie massage on back, upper butt, legs with no teasing at all, then on the flip got a mechanical HJ with nothing extra at all. Not sure if it was the girl or the place, so I'm willing to try one more time with different girl to see if better experience. Total cost 298 RMB. [/QUOTE]OK, so had the day off today and got the itch. Decided to go back to this place to address my curiosity if their was anything better available. It seems like they may have different level of girls service for those working the later shift (starting at 1:30 pm) as when I asked for a better girl / more service he had me wait 45 min till the shift started. I got 26 year old attractive no. 89. This time went for the 398 rmb session, which despite my first visit info was not an extended 90 min session, but rather topless tits massage. The massage itself was poor, but I appreciated the titties caressing my whole body and she had magic touch for little brother. There was no touching from my part. I just got the vibe that it wasn't in the cards and didn't feel like asking.

Please report if you try this place out and have a different experience.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2193553]Wait. So you go to a KTV, pick a girl, take them out, persuade them to go bareback, then ask them to go get a blood test, wait for the report, then do the deed?

First of all, the hot girls in Shanghai KTV's usually start work AT 9 pm. They tend to try to stay as late as possible before agreeing to go out. So starting at 9 pm is a stretch. As for 2500 for being the case, I would say that's a feasible amount. What you didn't mention is how much you spent at the KTV. Renting a room comes with a minimum. As we all know, Shanghai isn't cheap. If you are going to say you sat in the public bar area, mamasans refrain from accommodating those clients with girls to go out with, especially at 9 pm. Perhaps, you tipped the mamasan? Then that, would cost a few bills as well.

So what I'm saying basically is that you can't just go in a KTV, pick a hot girl, drop 2500, expect a girl to leave at 9, and stay for 12 hours. This isn't dongguan of yesteryear.[/QUOTE]I am the regular to the managers, so indeed, just go and pick-up from the line-up. No need to tip the manager, no room costs, since she / he will get commission from the girl next day. I usually go at 8:30 pm, and have a girl I picked in my arm to leave before 9:00, my hotel just cross the street. They stay between-12 hours. The BB sex usually start next day after they send me the test results by wechat. Sometime I did it first, and ask them to test next day. Alway come negative. Never catch anything myself, even an urine infection type of STD. I did over 100 (113 exactly). The major reason is I pick-up student / office lady type.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2193553]Wait. So you go to a KTV, pick a girl, take them out, persuade them to go bareback, then ask them to go get a blood test, wait for the report, then do the deed?

First of all, the hot girls in Shanghai KTV's usually start work AT 9 pm. They tend to try to stay as late as possible before agreeing to go out. So starting at 9 pm is a stretch. As for 2500 for being the case, I would say that's a feasible amount. What you didn't mention is how much you spent at the KTV. Renting a room comes with a minimum. As we all know, Shanghai isn't cheap. If you are going to say you sat in the public bar area, mamasans refrain from accommodating those clients with girls to go out with, especially at 9 pm. Perhaps, you tipped the mamasan? Then that, would cost a few bills as well.

So what I'm saying basically is that you can't just go in a KTV, pick a hot girl, drop 2500, expect a girl to leave at 9, and stay for 12 hours. This isn't dongguan of yesteryear.[/QUOTE]I fact, I did anal sex with many of these young KTV girls, same price. I guess, because they like me too, they call me "Gao, Fu, Shuai", means "tall, rich, good looking"?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2189460]This week is very windy in Shanghai.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]Has the wind died down? I was on a business trip and was away the past few weeks. I am back now and itching to hit the MPs for he, and meet up with some outcall gals at ST hotels. Thanks.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2193613]I am the regular to the managers, so indeed, just go and pick-up from the line-up. No need to tip the manager, no room costs, since she / he will get commission from the girl next day. I usually go at 8:30 pm, and have a girl I picked in my arm to leave before 9:00, my hotel just cross the street. They stay between-12 hours. The BB sex usually start next day after they send me the test results by wechat. Sometime I did it first, and ask them to test next day. Alway come negative. Never catch anything myself, even an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] infection type of STD. I did over 100 (113 exactly). The major reason is I pick-up student / office lady type.[/QUOTE]Care to share how? Or does it require you to be in 'in crowd'? I mean, I'd like to pick a girl from line up to just take home.

KTV usually been a money / time wasting experience for me.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2193354]I spotted a massage place called 'Aroma spa' right next to a compound. The girl standing at the door made eye contact and smiled at me. I don't trust smiles like that, so I decided to further investigate in the matter.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I've passed that place a few times but always thought it might be veggie only. Must check it out the next time I'm in the area.

[QUOTE=Vermonter;2193595]OK, so had the day off today and got the itch. Decided to go back to this place to address my curiosity if their was anything better available. It seems like they may have different level of girls service for those working the later shift (starting at 1:30 pm) as when I asked for a better girl / more service he had me wait 45 min till the shift started. I got 26 year old attractive no. 89. This time went for the 398 rmb session, which despite my first visit info was not an extended 90 min session, but rather topless tits massage. The massage itself was poor, but I appreciated the titties caressing my whole body and she had magic touch for little brother. There was no touching from my part. I just got the vibe that it wasn't in the cards and didn't feel like asking.

Please report if you try this place out and have a different experience.[/QUOTE]If it's topless, tits touching is absolutely included. No need to negotiate.

This is great stuff. Would love to see part 2.

Any info about history of saunas, freebies, KTVs?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMagic;2188345]Part I:

I've been dealing with Shanghai and the "scene" for over 20 years. I first went to Shanghai in 1998 and used to hang out with a lot of guys who have since come and gone in the original location of the current incarnation of Manhattan which was located on Julu Lu. It used to be a very, very small dive bar along with a bunch of other dive bars on Julu that was managed by a young Lucy, a chick named Angel and of course a bunch of Chinese hookers. During those days I wasn't very interested in picking up hookers in any of those bars because cheap or free fine pieces of ass could be found in almost anyplace around Shanghai including the original Paulaner, Bat's Bar in Pudong and old disco called MGM and a few other places like Judy's on Maoming, DKD etc. Those were the wild and crazy days of Shanghai where the girls were cheap and sometimes just wanted to hookup with a foreigner. You could get a girl to go home with you on Friday, pay her and then she'd stay the rest of the weekend, hang out and fuck without asking for anything more. It was a fun time and most expats were pretty friendly and easy to get along with. Now, the bars are full of pretentious people from all walks of life including expats and Chinese. I've known Lucy on a personal basis for over 20 years as well and she has always treated me very well. She knows her stuff. Manhattan moved to Maoming a few short years after I arrived in Shanghai and the bar was still a hopping good place. That was when the bar's girls started to change and went through many changes and nationalities. It was also located across the street from DKD, Judy's and the original Blue Frog. First came the Chinese, mostly non-local provincial types but good looking and a lot of fun, next came the Mongolians who were very good looking and super fun but after getting drunk they'd start fist fights and brawls amongst themselves and go as far as ripping each other's clothes off while Lucy and her team were trying to pull them apart. Next the Filipinos moved in, some of the girls you still see in the bar are from that era, yes don't let the makeup fool you. Along with the Fils came the Russians. A bit more friendly back then and not yet spoiled by the Chinese because they didn't have money or an ounce of class back then. After that, the Thais started moving in and were in competition with the Fils. At the time is was probably 50/50 in terms of pussy balance. That scene lasted quite a while until the government decided to turn a great bar street into a boring park and theater. Manhattan and Judy's then moved over to. (more to come in Part II).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2193613]I am the regular to the managers, so indeed, just go and pick-up from the line-up. No need to tip the manager, no room costs, since she / he will get commission from the girl next day. I usually go at 8:30 pm, and have a girl I picked in my arm to leave before 9:00, my hotel just cross the street. They stay between-12 hours. The BB sex usually start next day after they send me the test results by wechat. Sometime I did it first, and ask them to test next day. Alway come negative. Never catch anything myself, even an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] infection type of STD. I did over 100 (113 exactly). The major reason is I pick-up student / office lady type.[/QUOTE]Posted a year ago:

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2010031]Any place provide anal service? Bareback sex?[/QUOTE]

You surelly did catch up within a year and 3 months. 1 girl every 3 or 4 days whom accepts BBFS from you. Many of which also accept anal sex from you...
I can understand some people feel you're BSing... I hope for your health and these girls health you are indeed BSing...

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2193954]Posted a year ago:

You surelly did catch up within a year and 3 months. 1 girl every 3 or 4 days whom accepts BBFS from you. Many of which also accept anal sex from you...
I can understand some people feel you're BSing... I hope for your health and these girls health you are indeed BSing...[/QUOTE]I don't understand meaning of the word BSing. English is not my native language.

I tested negative all the time. Don't worry. I can tell you other numbers you may think I am BSing, although I don't know exact meaning of this word.

Total girls I have fucked in my life to date (not count repeat, e. G. , repeat 10 times count only one): 3362;.

Total BBFS: 113.

Total anal sex: 42.

I travel all over the world. This is not the number I did in Shanghai only, most was done in FKK. There is no need to BSing at all here. Of course, I am proud of my achievements on this besides other achievements I can proud of, that's irrelevant to this site.

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2193582]A place in Changning somewhat near the zoo, 1979 Hami Road with closest major road being Hongqiao. No shower in room, but didn't matter as much when it seemed to be fully clothed rubdown, or at least it was with the one I got. Think was #2. She wasn't really my cup of tea but for not knowing what else to do just when with it, pretty obviously wasn't any good at massage. Within 10 nondescript minutes or so was asking if I wanted to add 100 for he or 200 for BJ; couldn't abide by a continuing hour of this monotonous veg and didn't get the feeling she'd be much better with a BJ, so went the middle route. Was slightly awkward in that it was still clothed at this point, unzipping just enough to get the job done. Similarly she pulled up shirt just enough to grope, which continued till the end. Think it started at 168 but could've been 158/178/188. Somehow blanking on the middle digit.

Not exactly the most amazing experience, but not sure of any other places in the area that offers anything similar. Might be possible to get better mileage, this time just didn't feel like the vibe was there.[/QUOTE]I've tried this place too.

Fully clothed in little booth with door ajar.

10 minutes of tickling and then move downwards.

In normal conditions, that would have been a terrible experience but. The girl was a bit tipsy and great fun. And, although not fat, had a soft body with very big boobs (I mean, for a Chinese). Which I like.

I even had the privilege of a titjob, which is rare (for obvious reasons) in this part of the world.

Wandering hands accepted but somewhat limited to dry areas.

Damage was reasonable 200 + 100.

Better service is available not too far from there. There is a Spring MP about 1,5 km north, on the corner of Xianxia and Pingtang, which has been reviewed on this forum.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2194142]This is not the number I did in Shanghai only, most was done in FKK. There is no need to BSing at all here. Of course, I am proud of my achievements on this besides other achievements I can proud of, that's irrelevant to this site.[/QUOTE]Your other post implied you did this in Shanghai from a KTV connection of yours, hence why I had a hard time believing your story but I guess its more believable then.

I fail to see what you are proud of as to me punting is just about taking pleasure and releasing the pressure... but if that's the achievment of your life, more power to you. I Just feel there are much better things to achieve in life :)

Hi all,

I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:

1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?

2) Outcall recommendations withing walking distance, not too difficult for a gringo to find? Seems I should expect something like 400-700 RMB for this? I guess this is for one shot, up to an hour? I see several recommendations for Maria- what is her pricing and how would I set up a visit?

3) Massage parlors- any range of services is ok (he, b2 b, BJ, FS), assuming price is commensurate. Seems like I should expect from 300-400 RMB for basic massage + he, possibly b2 b if lucky. Potential upgrades for BJ / FS at 200-300 RMB?

4) Outstanding sauna recommendation for model-type experience- I only read briefly about this, but it might be a splurge I would consider for a special treat. Seems I could expect around 2 k RMB price- is that for an hour, and are multiples included, or how does that work?

Keep in mind I do not speak or read Chinese, have never been to the area before, and will be there only a short while, with essentially only 1 day for fun activities. I see references to wechat, QQ, Rain, etc, but am unfamiliar with all of these, and how they work.

Thanks, and please excuse my ignorance. I would come better prepared if I had more forewarning on this trip!

I will be going to Shanghai in September and would like to know if it still has Red Light Districts. I know there was a crack down a few years ago but are things now more relaxed? I have checked various web sites, but most information is out of date or confusing.

Thanks.

Given your situation I highly recommend you go with nightlife. Online girl (Maria is available from there). Most do outcall, but Maria does incall (at least she used to for me) as well if you prefer. Prices are listed on their profiles at the site and you should plan to pay the stated price plus taxi fee (100-200). Good luck, enjoy, and report back!

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;2194244]Hi all,

I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:

1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;2194244]Hi all,

I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:

1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?

2) Outcall recommendations withing walking distance, not too difficult for a gringo to find? Seems I should expect something like 400-700 RMB for this? I guess this is for one shot, up to an hour? I see several recommendations for Maria- what is her pricing and how would I set up a visit?

3) Massage parlors- any range of services is ok (he, b2 b, BJ, FS), assuming price is commensurate. Seems like I should expect from 300-400 RMB for basic massage + he, possibly b2 b if lucky. Potential upgrades for BJ / FS at 200-300 RMB?.[/QUOTE]Outcall is always uncomfortable unless you know the area and establishment well.

In call can be uncomfortable as they come to your hotel but with all the cameras and keyed elevators chance of follow up breaking I think small. As long as girl is discreet have yet to see trouble at hotel. See young ladies in high heels and sexy dress follow older man out, LOL.

I have tried Wenli, Linger (housewifebaobao), some of the raininshanghai and nightlife. Online ladies as incall. You can also try wild west of Wechat nearby function. I always get wechat hits at night but that is least stable quality experience and bait and switch and a very different quality girl from picture is almost a certainty.

Sauna exist but w / o local speak or guide they are hard to find and these days the wind can be blowing unfavorably at anytime and risky.

Stay safe and enjoy Shanghai, it ain't cheap nor wild there like years past.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;2194244]

Keep in mind I do not speak or read Chinese, have never been to the area before, and will be there only a short while, with essentially only 1 day for fun activities. I see references to wechat, QQ, Rain, etc, but am unfamiliar with all of these, and how they work.

Thanks, and please excuse my ignorance. I would come better prepared if I had more forewarning on this trip![/QUOTE]I agree with Vermonter. If you can only monger for one day, don't have much time to RTFF, and you can't speak Chinese, then the easiest thing to do is to contact Maria or HuJing, and ask her to come to your hotel. Maria and HuJing can both speak English. But Maria is pushing 50 and HuJjing is pushing 40 (despite any claims to the contrary), so I don't know how you feel about that. But both have big tits, especially Maria. Both do BBBJ, though, nothing great. And I personally do not find HuJing to be very attractive, and Maria wears too much makeup. But both are good options for a first-timer in Shanghai. Anyway, good luck. And no need to report on your experience. Most of us have boffed both, haha.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2194478]I agree with Vermonter. If you can only monger for one day, don't have much time to RTFF, and you can't speak Chinese, then the easiest thing to do is to contact Maria or HuJing, and ask her to come to your hotel. Maria and HuJing can both speak English. But Maria is pushing 50 and HuJjing is pushing 40 (despite any claims to the contrary), so I don't know how you feel about that. But both have big tits, especially Maria. Both do BBBJ, though, nothing great. And I personally do not find HuJing to be very attractive, and Maria wears too much makeup. But both are good options for a first-timer in Shanghai. Anyway, good luck. And no need to report on your experience. Most of us have boffed both, haha.[/QUOTE]Thanks for recommending them. I agree; both of them make excellent choices for first timers. Not just because they speak English; but also due to their open personality, willing to make you feel comfortable and accommodate you. I recommend, if you don't like the make up or clothing choices, you can request them to wear less and / or wear specific clothing. As.

On a side note though, whether you believe it or not, I do know for sure HuJing at least really is 27. Maria I can't tell for sure; but I would guess her late 30's or early 40's.

Have fun.

Contact Cathy--you can find her under classified ads-an adventure you won't forget.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;2194244]Hi all,

I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:

1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?

2) Outcall recommendations withing walking distance, not too difficult for a gringo to find? Seems I should expect something like 400-700 RMB for this? I guess this is for one shot, up to an hour? I see several recommendations for Maria- what is her pricing and how would I set up a visit?

3) Massage parlors- any range of services is ok (he, b2 b, BJ, FS), assuming price is commensurate. Seems like I should expect from 300-400 RMB for basic massage + he, possibly b2 b if lucky. Potential upgrades for BJ / FS at 200-300 RMB?

4) Outstanding sauna recommendation for model-type experience- I only read briefly about this, but it might be a splurge I would consider for a special treat. Seems I could expect around 2 k RMB price- is that for an hour, and are multiples included, or how does that work?

Keep in mind I do not speak or read Chinese, have never been to the area before, and will be there only a short while, with essentially only 1 day for fun activities. I see references to wechat, QQ, Rain, etc, but am unfamiliar with all of these, and how they work.

Thanks, and please excuse my ignorance. I would come better prepared if I had more forewarning on this trip![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NightLife17;2194515]Thanks for recommending them. I agree; both of them make excellent choices for first timers. Not just because they speak English; but also due to their open personality, willing to make you feel comfortable and accommodate you. I recommend, if you don't like the make up or clothing choices, you can request them to wear less and / or wear specific clothing. As.

On a side note though, whether you believe it or not, I do know for sure HuJing at least really is 27. Maria I can't tell for sure; but I would guess her late 30's or early 40's.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]Can't imagine Hujing is under 35.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2194671]Can't imagine Hujing is under 35.[/QUOTE]It's not the years. It's the miles.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2194242]Your other post implied you did this in Shanghai from a KTV connection of yours, hence why I had a hard time believing your story but I guess its more believable then.

I fail to see what you are proud of as to me punting is just about taking pleasure and releasing the pressure... but if that's the achievment of your life, more power to you. I Just feel there are much better things to achieve in life :)[/QUOTE]"There are much better things to achieve in life". I agree, but it is irrelevant to discuss at this website.

About my personal numbers: majority of 3362 girls I fucked are in FKK; majority of 113 no condom sex are with KTV girls in Shanghai. Why Shanghai (not other city or places)? Because of the selections, easiness, and because I have a business in Shanghai too (convenient). Believe or not, we do not need to BSing or lying at this place. No need.

Good luck for your taking pleasure and releasing the pressure and much better things to achieve in your life.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2194721]It's not the years. It's the miles.[/QUOTE]FWIW HuJen / Jenny I saw a few times in 2017 and if there is a lot of mileage all I got to say she is getting regular tuneups. Body pictures are dead on accurate!

Maria based on some exposed picitures on a HK forum revealed a figure considerably different than the photo shoot on NLO and after that peak I lost all interest. She is looking like she could use a series of major pit stop and tune up.

Miles are okay, if kept tuned and tip top shape! But if the girls aren't genetically blessed, don't exercise or love to eat the whole thing will go quickly and there is a nice tight gorgeous 18 year old that will make you look, well you know, LOL.

Relatively speaking in comparison to Beijing. Beverly, Wenli, and Cathy are all sure bets that can not go wrong.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2192615]You're talking about the MP on 1565 Huashan, right? This place is the epitome of YMMV. One guy said he got a BBBJ with CIM finish from a young provider. I went and got a very good he with and without tip from two different older gals with huge jugs. Then someone angrily posted that this place was a waste of time, and got no extras. And from everyone's description of the place, I know we are all talking about the same place.

How much did you tip for FS? Can't be much. They are old fatties, but for 500 it would be worthwhile and fun. I like huge tits on fatties every once in a while.

Good to hear the renovation is done. I went a few weeks ago and it was closed because of the renovation.[/QUOTE]YMMV indeed, even more so than a Spring. Asked to use the shower so got one of the rooms on the upper floor, but got completely open-door. Normally wouldn't mind getting vegged provided it's reasonable, but for regular massage this place is ludicrously expensive. And she didn't do a particularly good job either. Gotten better before from bjmps, and those are generally the worst.

[QUOTE=Wanderman68;2194882]Relatively speaking in comparison to Beijing. Beverly, Wenli, and Cathy are all sure bets that can not go wrong.[/QUOTE]Beverly, Maria, HuJing, Wenli, Cathy.

These are probably the most well known indies in Shanghai. I can personally vouch for the first 4. They speak English pretty well, they all have good attitudes (especially Beverly and Wenli). They will also book ST hotels for the date (I got the idea from Beverly, and then I proposed the idea to the other 3 and all went along with it). Beverly is famous for her BBBJ. It really is unbelievably good. You will pop, and then she rest with you, chat, and show you pictures on her cell phone. Then when you're ready, you boff for the 2nd pop. But Beverly has been at this for a long time and she has got to be in her early 40's now. She may be the most reviewed girl on the other famous escort review site. She is the epitome of spinner physique. Maybe 5 feet 2, and around 95 pounds. I already said Maria is almost 50 and HuJing is almost 40. I don't think HuJing is pretty, which is probably the real reason why she doesn't show her face on nightlife. Wenli has become well known in a short period of time, probably because a senior member vouched for her. She is very nice, but a little heavy, and also almost 40. I've never bothered meeting Cathy because her face does not look pretty to me. She seems famous mostly because of the kinky stuff that she'll do. They were good options during the crackdown. But since after the crackdown, I'm back to boffing girls in their 20's. As far as escort agencies, I no longer trust them ever since Steven and Judy (they ran a well known agency) got arrested.

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2194891]YMMV indeed, even more so than a Spring. Asked to use the shower so got one of the rooms on the upper floor, but got completely open-door. Normally wouldn't mind getting vegged provided it's reasonable, but for regular massage this place is ludicrously expensive. And she didn't do a particularly good job either. Gotten better before from bjmps, and those are generally the worst.[/QUOTE]I went there yesterday, after someone said he got FS there for 500 tip. This time, the boss was there, but as usual I got the room next to the shower upstairs. My provider was yet another older gal. She spent 70% of the time on my asshole, balls, and shaft. And after the flip, I asked if FS was available. She said no one offers FS at the shop. But asked me if I'the gotten FS before at the shop, indicating that maybe it's possible from another provider. Anyway, she wouldn't let me roam, probably because she had a bad body. The other old fatties let me handle their fat jugs. But again got a decent he. And no tip. So, not bad. You have to ask for the 60 minute 258 rmb lymph realease massage. Anyway, I don't think I'll go back there.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2194771]"There are much better things to achieve in life". I agree, but it is irrelevant to discuss at this website.

About my personal numbers: majority of 3362 girls I fucked are in FKK; majority of 113 no condom sex are with KTV girls in Shanghai. Why Shanghai (not other city or places)? Because of the selections, easiness, and because I have a business in Shanghai too (convenient). Believe or not, we do not need to BSing or lying at this place. No need.

Good luck for your taking pleasure and releasing the pressure and much better things to achieve in your life.[/QUOTE]Why is your no condom sex number, 113, so low? You're over 65 (I read a few of your older posts). You must have had GFs, one night stands, and FWBs in the past, especially when you were a young lad in the 1970's. I'm early 50's, and I have had BB sex wth over 113 girls easily. Maybe a quarter of them when I was in college and another quarter immediately thereafter. This is before I discovered the convenience of P4 P. Anyway, I'm pretty sure almost everyone on here had BB sex with over 113 girls. Why is your number so low? I'm genuinely curious for some reason. Especially since you love it. I love it too, which is why I always try to have a few GFs on the side.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2195055]I went there yesterday, after someone said he got FS there for 500 tip. This time, the boss was there, but as usual I got the room next to the shower upstairs. My provider was yet another older gal. She spent 70% of the time on my asshole, balls, and shaft. And after the flip, I asked if FS was available. She said no one offers FS at the shop. But asked me if I'the gotten FS before at the shop, indicating that maybe it's possible from another provider. Anyway, she wouldn't let me roam, probably because she had a bad body. The other old fatties let me handle their fat jugs. But again got a decent he. And no tip. So, not bad. You have to ask for the 60 minute 258 rmb lymph realease massage. Anyway, I don't think I'll go back there.[/QUOTE]Did get 268 just for the record, so that's not the responsible factor. Could be provider. The veg part of the business probably accounts for the bulk of their income. So it's possible that some just don't do extra. Or could also be timing. There was at least one customer leaving around the time I showed up, and upon leaving a couple were coming in. If they're concerned with noise in the corridor, as someone else had suspected, you might not be able to get anywhere when other customers are around. Just so people know, if they're willing to chance it here.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2195052]Beverly, Maria, HuJing, Wenli, Cathy.

These are probably the most well known indies in Shanghai. I can personally vouch for the first 4. They speak English pretty well, they all have good attitudes (especially Beverly and Wenli). They will also book ST hotels for the date (I got the idea from Beverly, and then I proposed the idea to the other 3 and all went along with it). Beverly is famous for her BBBJ. It really is unbelievably good. You will pop, and then she rest with you, chat, and show you pictures on her cell phone. Then when you're ready, you boff for the 2nd pop. But Beverly has been at this for a long time and she has got to be in her early 40's now. She may be the most reviewed girl on the other famous escort review site. She is the epitome of spinner physique. Maybe 5 feet 2, and around 95 pounds. I already said Maria is almost 50 and HuJing is almost 40. I don't think HuJing is pretty, which is probably the real reason why she doesn't show her face on nightlife. Wenli has become well known in a short period of time, probably because a senior member vouched for her. She is very nice, but a little heavy, and also almost 40. I've never bothered meeting Cathy because her face does not look pretty to me. She seems famous mostly because of the kinky stuff that she'll do. They were good options during the crackdown. But since after the crackdown, I'm back to boffing girls in their 20's. As far as escort agencies, I no longer trust them ever since Steven and Judy (they ran a well known agency) got arrested.[/QUOTE]What's the best way to find girls in their 20's? Agencies are across the board disappointing. I guess that I have not realized how many years have passed since I have known these ladies. I highly recommend both Beverly and Wenli's BJ. Wenli is not heavy but a little meaty, which I like. Beverly's Greek is awesome. She moans like a tigress when speaking Greek.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2195107]Why is your no condom sex number, 113, so low? You're over 65 (I read a few of your older posts). You must have had GFs, one night stands, and FWBs in the past, especially when you were a young lad in the 1970's. I'm early 50's, and I have had BB sex wth over 113 girls easily. Maybe a quarter of them when I was in college and another quarter immediately thereafter. This is before I discovered the convenience of P4 P. Anyway, I'm pretty sure almost everyone on here had BB sex with over 113 girls. Why is your number so low? I'm genuinely curious for some reason. Especially since you love it. I love it too, which is why I always try to have a few GFs on the side.[/QUOTE]In early years, condoms were used for birth control mainly. Later, for safe sex mainly (HIV scares). Just recently, realized from scientific reports that the chance to catch HIV is very very low. I started BB sex just recently (about 2 years, 113 so far, will go faster I think), although total girls fucked so far is much more (362).

Other member (Sinofaguo) think my number is too high (BSing), but you are on other hand, think my number is too low. Funny. Please help me to convince him the BB sex is ok, and my number is not BSing. Indeed BB sex feel much better.

Technically, the joint on XianXia, but it's closed due to recent crackdown. They're running it out of a nightclub a few minutes away. You pick from line-up, then they transport you and the girl to a nearby hotel. Weird arrangement.

Bosses told me police have informed them they can reopen in about a week in their usual location. We'll see. Prices sky-high, but they say they are paying off all the top cops in the neighborhood. They apparently get advance warning when to shut down.

Anyway, got a very attractive 18 year old for 1,800. Looked like a girl about to start college. She was 8 xx category, with 6 xx girls at 1400 and 9 xx girls at 2200. Modest-sized boobs keeps her in the more affordable category, and I was happy not fork over any more than 1800 - would've been 900 for the same category a year ago. She was accommodating, but inexperienced.

We can only hope that pricing normalizes in the future.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2195052]Beverly, Maria, HuJing, Wenli, Cathy.

These are probably the most well known indies in Shanghai. I can personally vouch for the first 4. They speak English pretty well, they all have good attitudes (especially Beverly and Wenli). They will also book ST hotels for the date (I got the idea from Beverly, and then I proposed the idea to the other 3 and all went along with it). Beverly is famous for her BBBJ. It really is unbelievably good. You will pop, and then she rest with you, chat, and show you pictures on her cell phone. Then when you're ready, you boff for the 2nd pop. But Beverly has been at this for a long time and she has got to be in her early 40's now. She may be the most reviewed girl on the other famous escort review site. She is the epitome of spinner physique. Maybe 5 feet 2, and around 95 pounds. I already said Maria is almost 50 and HuJing is almost 40. I don't think HuJing is pretty, which is probably the real reason why she doesn't show her face on nightlife. Wenli has become well known in a short period of time, probably because a senior member vouched for her. She is very nice, but a little heavy, and also almost 40. I've never bothered meeting Cathy because her face does not look pretty to me. She seems famous mostly because of the kinky stuff that she'll do. They were good options during the crackdown. But since after the crackdown, I'm back to boffing girls in their 20's. As far as escort agencies, I no longer trust them ever since Steven and Judy (they ran a well known agency) got arrested.[/QUOTE]My additional 2 cents.

Wenli: got a few extra pounds but funny sense of humor, if chemistry good a reasonable choice.

Beverly: 5 stars, she has a routine and skills to rock you. A spinner MILF with skills that was perfected over decades. Last seen this last month and probably eating too much from he cooking classes, could lose a Kg or two to get back to where she was two years ago.

Maria: if pictures accidentally released on HK forum is not close to her NLO pictures.

Cathy: too bad she don't take ABC, oh well.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2195238]In early years, condoms were used for birth control mainly. Later, for safe sex mainly (HIV scares). Just recently, realized from scientific reports that the chance to catch HIV is very very low. I started BB sex just recently (about 2 years, 113 so far, will go faster I think), although total girls fucked so far is much more (362).

Other member (Sinofaguo) think my number is too high (BSing), but you are on other hand, think my number is too low. Funny. Please help me to convince him the BB sex is ok, and my number is not BSing. Indeed BB sex feel much better.[/QUOTE]He thinks your number of BBFS with WGs is too high. I totally agree. I am sure almost everyone agrees.

[QUOTE=Wanderman68;2195226]What's the best way to find girls in their 20's?.[/QUOTE]Pre crackdown I did most of the SNG girls and Rain girls. Post crackdown I am now collecting as many girls' wechats as possible. Mostly MP girls. Believe it or not some are willing to meet me on their day off or before their shift at my hotel. And of course there's Manhattans and Judys for takeout but I can't do takeout because of my personal situation nor do I want to stay up past 11 pm. And saunas if you're willing to take the risk of a raid.

Several years ago, I signed up for WeChat. I forgot my password and am trying to get a code by SMS. But, the text doesn't arrive.

I am in the USA. Is this the reason I cannot get a text?

[QUOTE=Forest;2195366]Several years ago, I signed up for WeChat. I forgot my password and am trying to get a code by SMS. But, the text doesn't arrive.

I am in the USA. Is this the reason I cannot get a text?[/QUOTE]Depends on how you entered the number when you got wechat, did you put in the country code if outside China.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2195373]Depends on how you entered the number when you got wechat, did you put in the country code if outside China.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]Yes, I had the USA country code.

I finally remembered my password and got into WeChat. The app mystifies me. Once I got in, I couldn't see anyone but people in the USA (that would have been fine if the girls had been advertising services, but they did not appear to be). Half the time I ended up with screens in Chinese. I guess I have to be in China to see Chinese women, and that I won't be making plans to meet ladies before I go to Shanghai (that was my goal).

[QUOTE=Forest;2195512]Yes, I had the USA country code.

I finally remembered my password and got into WeChat. The app mystifies me. Once I got in, I couldn't see anyone but people in the USA (that would have been fine if the girls had been advertising services, but they did not appear to be). Half the time I ended up with screens in Chinese. I guess I have to be in China to see Chinese women, and that I won't be making plans to meet ladies before I go to Shanghai (that was my goal).[/QUOTE]No, you should be able to make plan in the US before you go to China, at least I can and I did last Month when I was in Beijing. Most of the Chinese girl can only speak and write in Chinese. You can use google translate to communicate with them.

Jb.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2195552]No, you should be able to make plan in the US before you go to China, at least I can and I did last Month when I was in Beijing. Most of the Chinese girl can only speak and write in Chinese. You can use google translate to communicate with them.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Wechat has built in translation capabilities. If you select the message you can then click translate and it will translate to the operating language for your phone. Much better then trying to use google translate when your in China as often google services require the use of VPN (at least that has been my experience, but my phone plan is with Chinese carrier so that may make a difference).

Dear all,

Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Atool;2195804]Dear all,

Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Hmm don't like doing this but in this case the senior members are right; you really could have spend literally 2 minutes to read the first and second page of this forum to get your answer. As mentioned you can stick with regulars like HuJing, Maria, WenLi, Beverly, Cathy, Housewife baobao. Or you can look for the websites from Rain or Nightlife Online for other choices.

You could also just have gone to the 'classified ad' section to do some digging there. Most girls I mentioned have advertisements there.

[QUOTE=Atool;2195804]Dear all,

Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Are you trolling us or are you really this much of a tool? If latter then RTFF. We wrote it all for you, not for ourselves.

[QUOTE=Atool;2195804]Dear all,

Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal in China, how do we know you are not the police trying to entrap us, please tell us of your reports and contributions to the site so your bonafides can be checked.

Hi all. Finally getting to write some field reports from my recent trip to SH. Members with multiple credible field reports can PM me for more location info.

There is another old style BBS that I have gone to over the years that provided some interesting relief recently. First time they took me to the very back corner of a side room and gave me a good massage then with didi in hand they hit me up for second girl. I rejected for a while then they brought out the baby wipes and did a thorough job on my fingers. OK, I knew there was pussy to be played with, so I went with it. Both were pretty dry, one played and sucked my nipples (doesn't really do anything for me) other did nice slippery tug. Clean up and more massage. Didn't get names or numbers. Damage 300.

Have fun, be safe.

Doit.

Hi all. Finally getting to write some field reports from my recent trip to SH. Members with multiple credible field reports can PM me for more location info.

With the construction of the new Metro Line and Station on Gubei Lu, the bus had to detour and I saw a couple massage places I never saw before. So your faithful servant had to check one out. Walked in and up the stairs to reception. When they saw a laowai, they immediately escorted me up another flight of stairs. Not sure if there were veggie rooms on the reception floor. Shower in the room worked. Girl was a bit thicker than most Chinese but that meant nice big titties to play and suck. Back and leg massage were good. Flip and she went right for didi. Lots of lube and took her time to drain the boys. Cleanup, more massage, shower again then leave. Didn't get names or numbers. Damage 288.

Have fun, be safe.

Doit.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2196325]Prostitution is illegal in China, how do we know you are not the police trying to entrap us, please tell us of your reports and contributions to the site so your bonafides can be checked.[/QUOTE]Private message received from Atool:

"Tool.

Hey Teltel. I see your post about not knowing if somebody is LE. You know that you can click their user ID and see all their previous posts, right?

I often do this when I see a new poster asking such stupid questions when they clearly have not RTTF.

Have fun. Stay safe.

Doit".

Suitable reply was sent.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2196639]Private message received from Atool:

"Tool.

Hey Teltel. I see your post about not knowing if somebody is LE. You know that you can click their user ID and see all their previous posts, right?

I often do this when I see a new poster asking such stupid questions when they clearly have not RTTF.

Have fun. Stay safe.

Doit".

Suitable reply was sent.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]I actually read some of Tool's previous posts, and they pretty much are all asking for advice and suggestions and help. What a tool.

I visited Shanghai in the 1st week of Jun and stayed near Tangqiao Subway Station. There are quite a few spa's nearby and one evening I went into one of them and asked for details. RMB298 for full body oil massage and RMB398 for "sex massage" which included only a HJ. Went inside the building to check the quality of the rooms and amenities. The door rooms had locks, but the upper part of the door had clear glass, there was a thick bedsheet kept on a chair near to the door which was put over this glass when the HJ was performed during the end of the 60 minutes. Bathroom was common, and walking out with all the oil made me back-off. Also checked with the mamasan, who said you can't do sex with the therapist. (So why do they call it sex massage?)

Back in the room, used Chrome browser on my android mobile to scan baidu's mobile website (and it worked both on wifi line and 4G line). Zeroed down on a website called "cityoflove" and liked a profile and started talking. It was great to get someone who could talk excellent English on wechat. The photo of the girl online named Sue, was again sent to me on wechat, and was promised that the same girl would be sent to my room. The deal was RMB800 (negotiated from RMB1300) for 2 shots with the same girl as in the website, else nothing. In 20 mins I got message that she is down by the reception and I have to go down to get her. On reaching down, was shocked to see a completely different girl, totally not my type with below average looks, who kept insisting to my grave face that she is the same girl, have photoshopped her image for online use! I was ready to turn back, and she said she needs RMB100 for taxi, if not interested.

My dick ruled over my brain at that moment (and the time of the night), and I took her to the room (big mistake! She asked me to hand over the RMB800 to start. To be on the safer side, I asked that RMB800 was for 2 shots, she said for 1 only. The person whom I was talking on wechat sent some voice message in Chinese which I totally couldn't understand. She agreed for 2. Somehow my mind was not ready to get duped again, hence I said I will give RMB600 now and remaining after the session. After some haggling, she agreed.

After we both stripped, the whole session was too mechanical, without an iota of connect between us. She put on a cover and started giving me a CBJ, didn't allow me to put a finger inside her. After 5 minutes of CBJ. Asked her to slow down and come on top of me, which she didn't listen and continued with her CBJ. Even after repeatedly telling her she won't stop, and in next 2 minutes I came. I was not happy, and went to the washroom to clean myself.

By the time I returned, she was already dressed and ready to go out. When I asked what about 2nd round she said only if I give RMB700 more will she do it again. I was really pissed off and asked her to leave immediately.

Not sure whether I should say I saved RMB200 and a 2nd bad experience, or I already had a bad experience.

~WB.

You are not the only one to experience this. So many touts out there. The girl does not know what they told you, not her fault. She is just one of many that are trying to make some money. You learned your lesson, so don't make the same mistake again, we all have been through this at least onetime. Believe it never gets better doing it this way.

At least you did not go with a tout on the streets to some hidden place and get hit with a 10,000 RMB bill and three thugs ready to beat the shit out of you if you didn't pay them!

[QUOTE=WillBlak;2196719]I visited Shanghai in the 1st week of Jun and stayed near Tangqiao Subway Station. There are quite a few spa's nearby and one evening I went into one of them and asked for details. RMB298 for full body oil massage and RMB398 for "sex massage" which included only a HJ. Went inside the building to check the quality of the rooms and amenities. The door rooms had locks, but the upper part of the door had clear glass, there was a thick bedsheet kept on a chair near to the door which was put over this glass when the HJ was performed during the end of the 60 minutes. Bathroom was common, and walking out with all the oil made me back-off. Also checked with the mamasan, who said you can't do sex with the therapist. (So why do they call it sex massage?)

Back in the room, used Chrome browser on my android mobile to scan baidu's mobile website (and it worked both on wifi line and 4G line). Zeroed down on a website called "cityoflove" and liked a profile and started talking. It was great to get someone who could talk excellent English on wechat. The photo of the girl online named Sue, was again sent to me on wechat, and was promised that the same girl would be sent to my room. The deal was RMB800 (negotiated from RMB1300) for 2 shots with the same girl as in the website, else nothing. In 20 mins I got message that she is down by the reception and I have to go down to get her. On reaching down, was shocked to see a completely different girl, totally not my type with below average looks, who kept insisting to my grave face that she is the same girl, have photoshopped her image for online use! I was ready to turn back, and she said she needs RMB100 for taxi, if not interested.

My dick ruled over my brain at that moment (and the time of the night), and I took her to the room (big mistake! She asked me to hand over the RMB800 to start. To be on the safer side, I asked that RMB800 was for 2 shots, she said for 1 only. The person whom I was talking on wechat sent some voice message in Chinese which I totally couldn't understand. She agreed for 2. Somehow my mind was not ready to get duped again, hence I said I will give RMB600 now and remaining after the session. After some haggling, she agreed.

After we both stripped, the whole session was too mechanical, without an iota of connect between us. She put on a cover and started giving me a CBJ, didn't allow me to put a finger inside her. After 5 minutes of CBJ. Asked her to slow down and come on top of me, which she didn't listen and continued with her CBJ. Even after repeatedly telling her she won't stop, and in next 2 minutes I came. I was not happy, and went to the washroom to clean myself.

By the time I returned, she was already dressed and ready to go out. When I asked what about 2nd round she said only if I give RMB700 more will she do it again. I was really pissed off and asked her to leave immediately.

Not sure whether I should say I saved RMB200 and a 2nd bad experience, or I already had a bad experience.

~WB.[/QUOTE]

Hey Midwestern,

Sent you a PM couple days back. In Shanghai for just a day this time on July 2 and could use a few of your wechat contacts if you're willing to spare them. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2195355]Pre crackdown I did most of the SNG girls and Rain girls. Post crackdown I am now collecting as many girls' wechats as possible. Mostly MP girls. Believe it or not some are willing to meet me on their day off or before their shift at my hotel. And of course there's Manhattans and Judys for takeout but I can't do takeout because of my personal situation nor do I want to stay up past 11 pm. And saunas if you're willing to take the risk of a raid.[/QUOTE]

A manager from the KD Sauna hit me up and let me know about their new places. They have 3 new places in Puxi. As of now they're still operating out of a few hotels.

I went to one, waited outside and the manager let me up. The manager took me up to the floor they'd rented and it's basically the same procedure. They'll give up a fishbowl lineup. There were only about 12 girls at the time I went. Pricing is about the same as the old KD. I picked a super cute girl from the most expensive class (2300 damage) with super long black hair, the absolute perkiest natural big see-cups I've ever seen, and a great ass. She got a room card from a manager and took me to a room on the same floor. We showered together in the tub and she soaped herself up and rubbed against me. Since we have to stay standing it's not the same experience as the old saunas, but it's OK. After we got cleaned up, we moved to the bed for a BBBJ and then FS (I skip the normal catbath). Popped once in about 5 minutes and then sucked and fondled her titties for the next 15 minutes as she slowly massaged me down there. Then we got cleaned up and and she massaged my balls with her silky hair while blowing me to get me ready for round 2. Went at it for about another 15 minutes before cumming inside and then just buried my face in her tits until time ran out.

A minor complaint is that she always tried to put on the condom after a sloppy BJ, which makes it really easy for it to slip off during FS.

Overall, the girl was amazing, but the hotel environment scares me with all the CCTV everywhere. I won't repeat as long as they don't have their own place, but once they do I'll definitely go looking for that girl again.

2300 Damage / 90 minutes / 2 pops.

BJ: 8/10.

FS: 9/10.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 10/10.

Saturday night, I decided to go and watch the (FRA / ARG) soccer game at Judy's. Arrived quite early and the place was already full, mainly Chinese customers in small groups drinking whiskey, eating watermelon, chain smoking and somewhat molesting all the girls around. I seldom go to Judy's, about once or twice a year in July. It's the first time I saw so many Chinese men, maybe it's another sign either of a declining expat community or that our hosts develop a similar taste.

There were about 50 Girls, not old in great majority, almost all Viets with a few Chinese and Russians. Most of the girls are pretty, many have silicone breast, sometimes protruding like cannon balls, not always the best choices or the best surgeons.

You can't spend more than 1 minute on your own and, if you do not settle with one girl, there is a continuous flow of "what's your name, where you come from".

I personally did not go there to bring someone home and going to their place is not particularly safe (in my eyes). Besides, it was raining, and taxi would be an issue. So I played along. I had conversations with a few girls, all friendly and cute, trying their best to make you hard and give you a furtive rubbing, some like kissing, some put your hands on their curves. Overall and enjoyable experience. When I stayed with a girl for more than 15 minutes, I gave her a tip, as I knew I would not take them out. I also am straightforward and say I will not and that they are loosing valuable time with me. Some leave, some stay.

After the soccer game, I felt I had enough small talk for the night and headed out. The overall feeling of being a buyer at a meat market was starting to bear on me.

It was raining and I was number 154 in the list for a Didi. I was also a bit aroused by all the beer I had and by that last Viêt girl who rubbed her beautifully round and firm ass on my crotch for 10 min. So, I decided to have a night cap at the Chinese bar that sits just in front of Judy's, on the corner of the street. While waiting for my taxi.

It's a typical Chinese girlie bar, where you drink reasonably priced beer (60) and are encouraged to buy lady drinks (100) to as many girls as possible. Girls are passable at best, but friendly and reasonably English speaking. Late twenties to late thirties, some slender, some not. I settled with 2 and bought 1 round. Small talk and some shoulders massage ensued. I asked what was possible and they told me we could get a private room upstairs where I would get HJ and BBBJ. Price was not reasonable, one thou each, but I was somewhat drunk and horny. So I said yes.

Moved up to the room, where they got naked and took turns to tease, then proceeded with BJ. At one point, one got on me cowboy while the other was pumping. That was great fun. I asked if FS was possible and they said no. But if I kept it secret. Alright. So I paid another thou for both, not each, and they were ready to go BB. I was drunk but not that drunk and fished two condoms out of my pocket. We used one.

Ah, nothing beats the view of a small ass up and down in reverse call girl while you suck on a meaty nipple. Both were enthusiastic and energetic. I did not last long.

Overall great evening, a bit on the very expensive side, but we only live once.

Yesterday afternoon, riding my bike around, I spotted a MP on Hami lu, close to Honqjiao lu, between numbers 1971 and 1955. Looked closed, curtains half closed but a sign saying open and a girl seated at the counter.

I stopped and looked around. Hmmmm. It's actually 50 m south of a police station.

I decided to give it a try, I was in need of some massage anyway.

Went in, welcome in english, was allotted a girl in her late twenties, cute face, big smile, a tad on the chubby side but not too much, no breasts to speak of. Went to the room, and started to undress, the girl came around and gave me a squeeze. Oh! I said to myself. Good sign!

Started with 20 Minutes of slow, quite strong, back massage. No tease before flip then slow waking up of the monster. At that moment the girl fished out her mobile and translated: do you want more? Said yes, she said 500, I asked "for what", she said BBBJ, I frowned then she made the typical fingers gesture of right index going through a circle made by right thumb and index. I said yes. Of course.

She undressed completely then we started with BBBJ, quite sloppy. She moved up her leg on the table to give me access (I was clearly not her first, LOL) then sat on my face for DATY, I like when I feel the pleasure button getting bigger and harder. After a dew minutes, she moved around and we started (covered). She was very wet and displayed signs of liking what we were doing. Whether this was true or not, I'll never know. Several positions including amazon, which is quite rare in this part of the world. I finished with her squatting on me, my hands on her firm ass.

Was a good experience which I will repeat.

FS does not seem to be on the standard menu though, as I felt she was attentive to what was happening outside of the room.

[QUOTE=GodfatherVit;2197647]Hey Midwestern,

Sent you a PM couple days back. In Shanghai for just a day this time on July 2 and could use a few of your wechat contacts if you're willing to spare them. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't know you (we've never communicated or shared info before, so I personally cannot vouch for you), I don't know your tastes, I don't know what you want, I don't know if you can speak Chinese, etc. , and given that you're in town for only a day, then I suggest you just contact Wenli or Maria or HuJing. They are great if you want a hassle-free and user-friendly provider.

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2197886]I personally did not go there to bring someone home and going to their place is not particularly safe (in my eyes). Besides, it was raining, and taxi would be an issue. So I played along. I had conversations with a few girls, all friendly and cute, trying their best to make you hard and give you a furtive rubbing, some like kissing, some put your hands on their curves. Overall and enjoyable experience. When I stayed with a girl for more than 15 minutes, I gave her a tip, as I knew I would not take them out. I also am straightforward and say I will not and that they are loosing valuable time with me. Some leave, some stay.
...
Overall great evening, a bit on the very expensive side, but we only live once.[/QUOTE]Nice report, thanks.

I also think it's fair to tip a girl who spends time with you in the bar. But how much?

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2197886]Saturday night, I decided to go and watch the (FRA / ARG) soccer game at Judy's. Arrived quite early and the place was already full, mainly Chinese customers in small groups drinking whiskey, eating watermelon, chain smoking and somewhat molesting all the girls around. I seldom go to Judy's, about once or twice a year in July. It's the first time I saw so many Chinese men, maybe it's another sign either of a declining expat community or that our hosts develop a similar taste.

There were about 50 Girls, not old in great majority, almost all Viets with a few Chinese and Russians. Most of the girls are pretty, many have silicone breast, sometimes protruding like cannon balls, not always the best choices or the best surgeons.[/QUOTE]Nice report but what's the damage at these places.

What I did on Saturday, not necessarily recommended, I was a bit off charts, but, anyway:

-Judy's:

Corona is 45 a piece, they ate not pushy so you can take your time.

Tips for girl arousing you varies from 100 to 300 depending on where your blood is at the time, arousing technique, sexiness, and length of time.

Short term at their place was offered at 1500. I do not try.

Blue dreams:

Corona is 60.

Lady drink is 100. Not easy to keep this at a minimum as you are like a honey pot in a bees nest. I kept it down to 4 (yeah, not very successful).

HJ and BBBJ Is 1000 for each girl you take upstairs. I took 2.

FS was an additional painfully negotiated down to 500 each. Possible to get lower. As I said the fee, in their mind, was for BBFS, which I refused.

Not cheap, I agree, but I had a great time).

Hey guys,

I will be traveling to Phnom Penh this year and have 15 HR layovers in Shanghai both ways. Any suggestions on the best way to get some action in this short amount of time?

[QUOTE=KingAmongKings;2198520]Hey guys,

I will be traveling to Phnom Penh this year and have 15 HR layovers in Shanghai both ways. Any suggestions on the best way to get some action in this short amount of time?[/QUOTE]If you do not already have some sort of China visa you will need to go through the 'entry without visa procedures', this will take some time before you can get out of the airport. Also allow time for travel from and back to the airport, for check in and do not forget that at some airports and/or airlines in China need you to collect luggage and check in again when leaving the airport. If you can get you luggage checked through to your final destination then that would be good. Use luggage storage at the airport if you need to.

I am not familiar with Shanghai so cannot offer anything about who to contact but you should check the operating hours of establishments to make sure they will be open when you want service.

Fifteen hours should give you plenty of time to do what you want if you plan you travel in Shanghai I. E maglev, bus, taxi etc, preplanning will pay dividends.

Teltel.

Hey guys,

After requesting some help here, I wanted to follow up with my report on my brief stay in Shanghai. As I had mentioned, I really had only 1 night for mongering before my activities were restricted.

First, some logistical advice for those not use to visiting China. I strongly advise you to install a VPN app on your phone before going, as this will greatly simplify communication for you once in China. Google is blocked, so you will not have access to your gmail or the Play Store either, so downloading apps after you are there becomes more challenging. I learned this firsthand, and although I was able to work around it, it was a pain before I managed to get the VPN app installed. So go ahead and download and test a VPN app and WeChat before you get to China.

Once I got WeChat installed, I looked at some of the ladies from the sights recommended here (Shanghai Nights, Rain.). I tried to set something up with Rain (I guess that is her name?) for one of the Rain ladies for later that evening, but Rain said the lady could come right now. That wasn't a good time for me, so I was trying to think if I could rearrange things for an earlier meeting. Rain became very impatient when I didn't answer her immediately (I mean within 5 minutes), and she texted "Answer!" Immediately followed by another text "I hate guests like this". What a *****! I found it ironic that it took her hours to respond to my initial text to her, yet she expected me to immediately answer her on demand. I then told her I wasn't interested as I don't like dealing with a bad attitude.

So based on some recommendations here, I tried to set something up with Beverly, thinking it was a safe play. She responded back promptly and we set a time for her to come visit me. I asked her to text me 30 minutes before to confirm we were still on, and so I could give her the details. The time came around, and I never heard from her, so I texted her. Still no response, even as time passed our appointment time. Some hour or so after our appointment time she finally text me back, making the excuse that she wasn't sure we were going to meet. Wtf? I told her this is why I ask her to text me 30 minutes before. She apologized, and she was very nice about it, but it threw a wrench in my plans.

I had noticed a massage place right across from the Pudong Marriott Renaissance hotel (Gu Lin, I think? So at this point I decided just to give that a whirl, as I needed a good massage anyhow. I walked over and the girl presented me with the options. Nothing jumped out at me as a guaranteed service to leave me happy, so I just went with the hour body massage (298 RMB), hoping I would get more. The masseuse was a cutish, younger girl with a pretty decent rack and average body. She told me her name, but I cannot remember it. I tried initiating some contact at a couple points during the massage, but was rebuffed, so gave up and resolved to just enjoy the massage. She gave an excellent massage, really working all the kinks out, and even if I got nothing else, I figured it was worthwile. At the end, I tried to persuade her for a he. She acted coy, and then asked for money. She wanted 300, but I told her 100. She refused, and even though I tried to remain steadfast, she would not accept 100. I moved to 150, which she also refused, but eventually she said 200. I knew this was too much, but after my earlier plans had struck out, I just said what the hell and gave in. She gave a nice HJ, taking her time and being very sweet afterward. She continued to massage me after, asking me personal questions about if I was married, girlfriend, saying how handsome I was, blah blah. She told me her name and said to ask for her next time. She spoke very little english, and I spoke no Chinese, or otherwise I would have tried to set something up with her for takeout at another time. I should have just gotten her number or WeChat, but I didn't.

Since the place was so close to the hotel, I slipped over one more time before leaving Shanghai, as I wanted another good massage. I did not ask for the girl, not only because I couldn't remember her name, but just to try someone else. This time I got an older girl who was obviously used to the game, and what I would call hardened. She allowed touching early on and was giggling, but immediately put the push on for money. She also asked for 300, which I flat refused as I had already decided I would give only 100, and if that wasn't accepted then I would be happy with just a good massage. She gave a terrible massage, applying no pressure at all, really just a very light touch massage. She did enough teasing to try to get me worked up so I would cave on her 300 demand, but that was her whole end goal. Classic prick tease. I enjoyed the approach of the girl from the first massage much more, as I was able to relax and enjoy the great massage, and only later did we talk money. This one did not focus on the massage at all, and was lazy, and was only interested in milking money from me. At the end, when I continued to refuse her 300, she said it was over. I pulled 100 from my pocket and laid it on the table, and she eventually took it and gave a passable HJ.

More is probably available at this place, and probably at a much better price, for non-gringos. The doors do all have a window in them, and when I tried to hang my clothes over the window, I was told no, so I can't be too sure how much they allow to take place there. I'm sure there are much better values away from major hotels. Thanks for your advice guys, and I wish I had more exciting things to report, but my time was just too limited.

[QUOTE=KingAmongKings;2198520]Hey guys,

I will be traveling to Phnom Penh this year and have 15 HR layovers in Shanghai both ways. Any suggestions on the best way to get some action in this short amount of time?[/QUOTE]1 hour to get out of immigration.

1 hour to get into city.

1 hour to get back.

2 hour buffer before departure.

10 hours should be plenty to get ST hotel and girl or incall. Rain has incall and a few girls from nightlife. Online will do hotel ST and service.

I would say Shanghai ain't that special or cheap anymore for quick unless you never had a Chinese girl and have to sample local talent in the home country, LOL.

There is a review at that famous HK site that extras are available at the airport massage hotel place.

Happy punting.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2198935]1 hour to get out of immigration.

1 hour to get into city.

1 hour to get back.

2 hour buffer before departure.

10 hours should be plenty to get ST hotel and girl or incall. Rain has incall and a few girls from nightlife. Online will do hotel ST and service.

I would say Shanghai ain't that special or cheap anymore for quick unless you never had a Chinese girl and have to sample local talent in the home country, LOL.

There is a review at that famous HK site that extras are available at the airport massage hotel place.

Happy punting.[/QUOTE]If you mean the massage parlor directly connected to the gate area, yes, it did used to offer extras (for $$ but it has been closed for a while now. Seems to coincide with the large crackdown last year.

[QUOTE=PartyFriend;2197897] It's actually 50 m south of a police station.[/QUOTE]Good report. Was their an increase in price? She offered BJ for 500; was FS more?

Your report reminded me of something a Chinese monger once told me, although I don't believe it in today's weather: Those shops closest to the PSB stations are (in his theory) safest because they are most likely paying someone off there to give a heads up if something is about to go down.

Again, I like this theory as a mental exercise but as you say, her focus was on what's going on outside.

Uncle Ira.

Thanks I Luv Email for your report. I try to be respectful of everyone's budget and know this varies widely. But it seems to me trying to get a handjob for $15 in a country that is cracking down on P4P is pretty hard. I am not surprised most girls didn't bite. Where P4P is legal (Brazil, Germany) prices are low But where it's illegal and enforced (China at the moment) I'd plan to pay a bit more if you don't want to be disappointed.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;2198746]
Once I got WeChat installed, I looked at some of the ladies from the sights recommended here (Shanghai Nights, Rain.). I tried to set something up with Rain (I guess that is her name?) for one of the Rain ladies for later that evening, but Rain said the lady could come right now. That wasn't a good time for me, so I was trying to think if I could rearrange things for an earlier meeting. Rain became very impatient when I didn't answer her immediately (I mean within 5 minutes), and she texted "Answer!" Immediately followed by another text "I hate guests like this". What a *****! I found it ironic that it took her hours to respond to my initial text to her, yet she expected me to immediately answer her on demand. I then told her I wasn't interested as I don't like dealing with a bad attitude.

So based on some recommendations here, I tried to set something up with Beverly, thinking it was a safe play. She responded back promptly and we set a time for her to come visit me. I asked her to text me 30 minutes before to confirm we were still on, and so I could give her the details. The time came around, and I never heard from her, so I texted her. Still no response, even as time passed our appointment time. Some hour or so after our appointment time she finally text me back, making the excuse that she wasn't sure we were going to meet. Wtf? I told her this is why I ask her to text me 30 minutes before. She apologized, and she was very nice about it, but it threw a wrench in my plans.
[/QUOTE]Regarding RAIN, I have repeatedly warned everyone that if you want to have a session with one of her girls, then you ask her when you are ready, with no questions asked and no requests made. RAIN is psycho, and I now fear that she may seek retaliation to whoever she gets annoyed at, whenever possible. She just wants straight-forward ready-to-go easy transactions.

Regarding Beverly, I don't understand why you didn't tell her where to meet ahead of time. You asking her to text you 30 minutes before the appointment to get the "details" is very strange. I don't blame her for blowing you off.

Anyway, thanks for the report. Sincerely. Too many people ask for advice and don't leave a report later.

Visiting Shanghai and had to stay a bit further out than I like, so I went outcall rather than venturing down to Manhattans / Judy's.

Based on a few reviews here, went with Baby from NO.

[URL]https://nightlife.online/girls/Baby[/URL]

Had to go down to pick her up (hotel elevator requires key card) and almost missed her as she was sitting in a chair facing away from me and, if I hadn't noticed a few hairs poking above the chair, would have missed her. Baby is tiny. Four feet nothing.

But very cute. Energetic and playful. And accommodating. She is definitely the girl in the picture, although she seems a little older than 23 (but doesn't act it).

Got back to the room, showered for a long time. She scrubbed every inch of me. Then moved onto the fun stuff: BBBJ, DATY, DATO. Finally put the cover on and went missionary with a flip to doggy. Baby got loud.

Can't cum with a condom (or very rarely) so yanked it off and came in her mouth.

Great girl.

Bonus: was willing to take US $.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2198991]Regarding RAIN, I have repeatedly warned everyone that if you want to have a session with one of her girls, then you ask her when you are ready, with no questions asked and no requests made. RAIN is psycho, and I now fear that she may seek retaliation to whoever she gets annoyed at, whenever possible. She just wants straight-forward ready-to-go easy transactions.

Regarding Beverly, I don't understand why you didn't tell her where to meet ahead of time. You asking her to text you 30 minutes before the appointment to get the "details" is very strange. I don't blame her for blowing you off.

Anyway, thanks for the report. Sincerely. Too many people ask for advice and don't leave a report later.[/QUOTE]With Rain, I'd caution any long-term Shanghai residents not to use a wechat account connected to your own identity. Too risky when she finally gets busted a la Stephen. For quick visitors, it probably doesn't matter.

I see Rain getting a lot of flack here but I've used 2 times and no complaints. First time booked for now, and second time for next early morning. Girls showed up on time, performed as expected and were very eager to please. However, both were quite inexperienced, and claimed that they have been in the business less than 1 year. But I had no issues about their enthusiasm, and were willing to do pretty much except anal to please (one allowed anal rimming but no dick).

Anyways, I've used many of the girls from the old SNG but kind of pissed at the new rules at NLO about 1 pop.

I'm not a fan of take out but I did try Manhattan last time (OMG the eye-candy) and I think I got really lucky, got a smoking hot chick, was very willing and we had a great time. 2 x times for 1200 rmb. (I tried half a dozen girls before, none were willing for less than 1200). Anyways, with this Viet girl, for the second time ever, I actually felt a connection. I know many girls would be friendly but there was always that "transactionny" feeling that I didn't get with this girl. Will be in shanghai next week and I already setup a time to meet her without paying the Manhattan premium.

So here's my question to the folks here, if Rain is out of question, Manhattan is expensive, what's the next best "safe" options? I speak ZERO chinese, am good looking fair-skinned indian guy, how to pick -up someone? Many people talk about saunas but I've always had difficulty finding them. Plus, I have 2 nights in Shanghai and usually work 8-8, so have unfortunately little room to explore.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2198991]Regarding RAIN, I have repeatedly warned everyone that if you want to have a session with one of her girls, then you ask her when you are ready, with no questions asked and no requests made. RAIN is psycho, and I now fear that she may seek retaliation to whoever she gets annoyed at, whenever possible. She just wants straight-forward ready-to-go easy transactions.

Regarding Beverly, I don't understand why you didn't tell her where to meet ahead of time. You asking her to text you 30 minutes before the appointment to get the "details" is very strange. I don't blame her for blowing you off.

Anyway, thanks for the report. Sincerely. Too many people ask for advice and don't leave a report later.[/QUOTE]You're very welcome. For Beverly, I really wasn't holding back any information, and I did in fact tell her I was at a hotel in Pudong, but she never asked the exact name so I just figured she would ask when she was ready. I wasn't really too upset over the no-show, because as I said, she was very nice about it, but at the least, I think she could have responded to my texts asking if she was coming. She never did respond until well after our appointment time. Sorry, but I'm not willing to take all the blame for our miscommunication, if indeed that's even what it was. If she needed more information to feel comfortable with the appointment, she could have asked for it at any time, and I would have given it to her. I think more likely she just chose to blow me off for whatever reason. At least she did finally respond back and apologized, so I appreciated that and told her no hard feelings, and we'd try again another time. Unfortunately, I never had time for another try.

[QUOTE=Ravij;2199513]

Anyways, I've used many of the girls from the old SNG but kind of pissed at the new rules at NLO about 1 pop.[/QUOTE]Agree! For more than 300 us$/hour, only 1 pop is a robbery.

[QUOTE]
I'm not a fan of take out but I did try Manhattan last time (OMG the eye-candy) and I think I got really lucky, got a smoking hot chick, was very willing and we had a great time. 2 x times for 1200 rmb. (I tried half a dozen girls before, none were willing for less than 1200). Anyways, with this Viet girl, for the second time ever, I actually felt a connection. I know many girls would be friendly but there was always that "transactionny" feeling that I didn't get with this girl. Will be in shanghai next week and I already setup a time to meet her without paying the Manhattan premium.
e.[/QUOTE]Do you mind sharing her info? Do you see PM? Thanks in advance.

Anybody know any good spots for some Texas Holdem in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=Ravij;2199513]

, what's the next best "safe" options? .[/QUOTE]Your right hand is the safest. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Rain posting your info, police raids on saunas and MPs.

There's risk in all of it. I think safetywise manhattans / judy's is the safest option.

1200 RMB vs 2 weeks in Jail? It's still cheap.

Was there on a business trip and hit up a WeChat contact from awhile back. The location was close to Hongqiao Airport. Above a Pizza Hut.

I had a preview of their lineup before. 1400 1800 2100 2400.70 minutes.

When I arrived, went to the lineup room. Maybe about 15-18 girls. All very nice but the cutest was a skinny girl in tight jeans and heels. When I picked her, she got flustered, and I said. If you don't want to go with me, I'the rather pick someone else. I'm 6'4 big guy. Mamasan told her I was a good guy and so we went.

Upstairs. Big bed with shower bed room. Girl turned out to be 18 years old. Working for 4 months. Hot body but light in the skills department. Shower bed. Not great. Followed by CBJ. I finished quick looking at her right body not due to her skill. Cuddled a little. She went back to another CBJ and then tried to mount me. I'm fairly big for a small Chinese girl so she had a rough time and I was clearly hurting her so we went back to CBJ and playing around.

Finished a second time with her grinding on me in reverse cowgirl. Lots of small talk in Chinese. 2100 total damage. I would certainly try other girls at that local. Maybe go with someone more experienced. Sometimes I forget that the hottest girls are the least experienced and my type. Spinners - can't always handle my girth.

Overall good experience. I find that you really need to have at least conversational Chinese to get the best experience.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2200444]Your right hand is the safest. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Rain posting your info, police raids on saunas and MPs.

There's risk in all of it. I think safetywise manhattans / judy's is the safest option.

1200 RMB vs 2 weeks in Jail? It's still cheap.[/QUOTE]Rain can post my info all they want, wechat ID made from dummy email / phone number. But I understand the sentiment.

I don't find takeout to be that safe because you have no guarantees of the girl running away with your wallet etc. I prefer NLO / SNG types of services because someone usually has reviewed and the probability is lower than other cases.

[QUOTE=SexInCity;2199740]Agree! For more than 300 us$/hour, only 1 pop is a robbery.

Do you mind sharing her info? Do you see PM? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't mind sharing but my subscription ran out and for some reason, all my cards were denied to renew it. Will figure it out. She's back in Vietnam anyways and will be back in 2 weeks.

My 2 cents of risk reward.

Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.

Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.

NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak.

Wechat / or other online: b / S and Wild West even more surprises unless you pick up a long referenced lady like Beverly or Cathy or other well reviewed lady.

Can say Rain has delivered 100% as has NLO. Girl shows up on time and is as pictured with a few caveats of course, and others have had the largest disappointments, YMMV.

Stay safe bros.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2200842]My 2 cents of risk reward.

Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.

Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.

NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak.

Wechat / or other online: b / S and Wild West even more surprises unless you pick up a long referenced lady like Beverly or Cathy or other well reviewed lady..[/QUOTE]Well, I just got blocked by Rain. I told her I'l making a booking for tomorrow, will confirm time a few hours ahead, but my meetings ran late the next day, so I told her I can't make a booking tonight, and then bham. LOL.

Anyways, interested in trying out Manhattan / Judy's tonight. Anyone interested? Looking to find thai ladyboys in one of them?

May I add Wenli64 u to your report: A very honest and reliable good looking contact.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2200842]My 2 cents of risk reward.

Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.

Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.

NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak..[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

Visiting Shanghai for business tomorrow and I have a free evening. I'm enticed by the sound of Judy's but I have a few questions.

1. Do you buy the girls drinks or am I confusing this with other places?

2. People have implied the girls rub up on you. Where does this happen? Are there dark and sticky corners for these sorts of antics? Tipping for this is few hundred RMB? Do they bring you to completion for that or are you tipping a girl for just some heavy petting?

3. Short time private room is on site or do you take girls off site? 1000-1500 negotiated with the girl? Room included?

4. Chinese girls or all foreign? What's the quality like?

5. Prime time? Is 7 or 8 pm to early for the action described above?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MrClark203;2201155]Hey guys,

Visiting Shanghai for business tomorrow and I have a free evening. I'm enticed by the sound of Judy's but I have a few questions.

1. Do you buy the girls drinks or am I confusing this with other places?

2. People have implied the girls rub up on you. Where does this happen? Are there dark and sticky corners for these sorts of antics? Tipping for this is few hundred RMB? Do they bring you to completion for that or are you tipping a girl for just some heavy petting?

3. Short time private room is on site or do you take girls off site? 1000-1500 negotiated with the girl? Room included?

4. Chinese girls or all foreign? What's the quality like?

5. Prime time? Is 7 or 8 pm to early for the action described above?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Usually I would tell you RTFF but I am in a charitable mood.

Judys is a bar that is 80-90% Vietnamese with 10- 20% Chinese, Kenyan and other countries occasionally, it's a pick up bar in that all girls are WG and want you to take them back to your hotel / apartment. They are ready to leave when you are and will come to you if alone in the bar.

You don't have to buy drinks as they are the same price you would pay they are not higher for the girls, they don't get a cut. I buy a few drinks to lighten the mood and enjoy the night. I used to never do that and still walked out with any girl. I don't see where it's made any difference on what they want to charge me. Don't feel you have to.

They rub up against you, sometimes have let me finger them if they had a dress on (rare). I have after drinks with them reach over and kissed cleavage. Grabbed their butts. They have held my little guy through my jeans (OTC) or rubbed their butt up against him to get me horny. This is all to get you to take them out the door. It's flirting, you don't have to pay for it but if you are tying them up, they can't make a living. Some guys tip them for this. I tend not to as it used to be free, now sometimes they want you to pay for the time. The Chinese guys do it and girls flock to them more since they started. Foreign men are less interesting to them now because we don't tip for that like the chinese guys do.

No private rooms, take a cab back to your place with the girl. Short time can run 1000-1500. After you are done they will ask you for an extra 100 for taxi money. Expect that and figure it in to your bill before you leave the bar.

The price is based on how beautiful they are, how rude you are, how long you want them. I have usually gotten girls that are 7's and 8's for 1000 with 2 pops. I have paid more but rarely less. The 9's know they are 9's and hold out for closer to 1500. If you don't like the price, move on and ask another. I have gotten 7's and 8's for 1500 all night but I prefer to sleep alone so I really don't do that anymore. Prices can be lower Sunday, Monday and Tuesday night. I have had girls tell me. It's Saturday night, that's Sunday night price when I offered too little. I was there in January this year and these are the prices I paid.

The place doesn't even open until 930. The place is dead until 10 pm. The action is 10:30 to 1 am. If you see a girl you like then, take her. She may not be around after that. Typically after 1 am you are getting the girls that aren't as pretty or on their second time around.

I have taken more than 2 dozen from Judy's / Manhattans (maybe 3 dozen). I have had more good times than bad.

There are a couple ladyboys but they are pretty obvious. If you are not sure. Check the package before your final deal and walking out of the bar.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2201292]Usually I would tell you RTFF but I am in a charitable mood.

Judys is a bar that is 80-90% Vietnamese with 10- 20% Chinese, Kenyan and other countries occasionally, it's a pick up bar in that all girls are WG and want you to take them back to your hotel / apartment. They are ready to leave when you are and will come to you if alone in the bar.

You don't have to buy drinks as they are the same price you would pay they are not higher for the girls, they don't get a cut. I buy a few drinks to lighten the mood and enjoy the night. I used to never do that and still walked out with any girl. I don't see where it's made any difference on what they want to charge me. Don't feel you have to..[/QUOTE]First of all, thank you. I have learned all this info the hard way but for someone new to the site, all this has to be scraped off in pieces and its a lot more intimating than you think.

Second, I noticed that the prices at Judy's were cheaper. Last night, Friday Night, I got an initial offer for a 6 & 7 together for 1500 rmb. I wasn't interested as I had my eyes on someone else but I could have easily negotiated that down to 1100-1200, for 2 girls!. I took a hottie 8-9 for 800, unlimited pops, came 3 times.

Also, I found Judy's quality to be higher last night than Manhattans. More 9's than usual. I also find Judy's a little less claustrophobic but I guess that's personal preference.

My only other issue with either places is its hard to select one because you know there is someone hotter out there, and you don't want to settle. Same issue as with Barney in HIMYM.

SamCan has all the details right on the button. I would only add that, to me, the music at Judy's was deafening, so I find Manhattan more appealing. Worth checking both of course. They are like two blocks from each other.

And I highly recommend taking a cab to The Blind Pig, which is literally less than a block from Manhattan, where you can have a starter drink and get up your energy to run the gauntlet (good food too). Most of us aren't used to being a worshipped object of desire. Get ready to feel like an Emperor and pick you a concubine or two. If you can't tell, I love it!

Reading recent posts about Judys and Manhattens almost makes me miss the days when I used to do takeout actively. Did it for 9 years mostly in Singapore. Ipanema for girl next door quality and Brix for slightly better quality. The drill at Judys and Manhattens sound identical. But I no longer am intetested in being in loud bars, being out past 11 pm, yelling at ripoff cab drivers, being gouged on beer prices, and walking into the hotel lobby with an obvious WG (when I was younger the WGs could pass for my wife or GF but I am now in my 50's so it is obvious the WG is a WG, haha). But I do miss Viets. Hottest women on the planet IMO. Anyway, these days it is too hot to fuck. Haha. But really, this weather has killed my libido. BTW, what's up with NLO only being down to 7 girls? They once had about 25. I don't understand some girls quitting, because why not keep the option open?

[QUOTE=Ravij;2201297]First of all, thank you.

Second, I noticed that the prices at Judy's were cheaper. Last night, Friday Night, I got an initial offer for a 6 & 7 together for 1500 rmb. I wasn't interested as I had my eyes on someone else but I could have easily negotiated that down to 1100-1200, for 2 girls!. I took a hottie 8-9 for 800, unlimited pops, came 3 times.

[/QUOTE]You're welcome.

Yes, I have gotten better prices and my standard negotiations has always been a target of 1000/2 pops. If I want the girl and can't get the price, I will pay more. I have only paid 1500 once when I was brand new to this 5 years ago and it was for an overnight. I negotiate the pops before I leave the bar. It scares some girls away but I'm not left wanting. If I don't want or can't do 2 pops, well they win. I have seen guys get 5-6's for 600-800 RMB. I have landed a solid 8 (that banged like a 9) for 800. I had already brought a girl to my room which was nearby. I went back to just have a beer as the night was young. This girl kept hitting on me as I was the only guy alone. I kept telling other girls no. She was desperate. It was her first time and night in shanghai. It was 1 am and had no one yet. I think she was trying to hard I told her I already had popped twice and didn't have it in me. Finally she said "what you pay?" I said 800, she said ok and off we went for a really good session. I tried to hook up again but it just didn't work out.

When I bring up these good deals to show anything can happen, I was getting a lot of crap. One guy in particular saying things like. She can't be pretty, she must be old, you didn't pay that. Etc. Etc. But why do I need to lie to a bunch of faceless screen names? I didn't bother putting that in my last post. I was told by a local that 800 short time is possible almost all girls. (about 18 months ago). this is not what i have found , maybe i am too easy.

Keep in mind, the lower you go the more resentful the girl could be. This is a transaction where you want the girl happy. I have found way overpaying doesn't help however. . Keep it fair, don't be a pushover.

There is also a piece of this that is personal. Some girls will go with certain races but don't want to. They tend to charge more for them. I am not saying its right. But it happens it's usually not a prejudice to the race but to the actions. Some girls have had certain multiple experiences that have made them not want to go. (more than one guy of a certain race is rude, abusive or tries to renegotiate in the room). This makes them not want to go or at least charge more for it. That is why some guys can do better than others. It's probably the same if you are not attractive or really fat. The girl is thinking about that fat guy on top of her. They do like to breathe. Haha.

I don't name the race because I am not bashing or being prejudice. I have confirmed this on my own and Steven from the old SNG told me the same thing over a beer. some of his girls would avoid these types.

I point this out only to say there is a lot that goes into what you pay. That is why being nice and OCCASIONALLY being the guy willing to buy a drink doesn't hurt. If you are of that particular race, it shows you are not one of "them" and you are different. I have even bought drinks for girls I have seen in the past but don't plan to take them that night. it just to let them know I still like them. They understand if it's not going to be their night with me, just like they are not waiting for just me.

Samcan.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2201419]BTW, what's up with NLO only being down to 7 girls? They once had about 25. I don't understand some girls quitting, because why not keep the option open?[/QUOTE]Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).

I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2201435]

When I bring up these good deals to show anything can happen, I was getting a lot of crap. One guy in particular saying things like. She can't be pretty, she must be old, you didn't pay that. Etc. Etc. But why do I need to lie to a bunch of faceless screen names? I didn't bother putting that in my last post. I was told by a local that 800 short time is possible almost all girls. (about 18 months ago). this is not what i have found , maybe i am too easy.

Keep in mind, the lower you go the more resentful the girl could be. This is a transaction where you want the girl happy. I have found way overpaying doesn't help however. . Keep it fair, don't be a pushover.

There is also a piece of this that is personal. Some girls will go with certain races but don't want to. They tend to charge more for them. I am not saying its right. But it happens it's usually not a prejudice to the race but to the actions. Some girls have had certain multiple experiences that have made them not want to go. (more than one guy of a certain race is rude, abusive or tries to renegotiate in the room). This makes them not want to go or at least charge more for it. That is why some guys can do better than others. It's probably the same if you are not attractive or really fat. The girl is thinking about that fat guy on top of her. They do like to breathe. Haha.

I don't name the race because I am not bashing or being prejudice. I have confirmed this on my own and Steven from the old SNG told me the same thing over a beer. some of his girls would avoid these types..[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.

BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.

Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?

[QUOTE=GregoryB;2201117]May I add Wenli64 u to your report: A very honest and reliable good looking contact.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Yes, I can vouch for Wenli as well. She is honest and reliable. Before she advertised on here, GB shared her contact with me and it helped me survive the crackdown. Thanks, GB.

Hey guys,

Just wanted to make sure if I am in transit through Shanghai that I do not need a tourist visa to enter. I have read on multiple sites tourist visa is only necessary if you are staying greater than 24 hrs. Just wanted to confirm this is true.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2201453] BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.
[/QUOTE]Sometimes I really want to throw them out too. But I've already negotiatied a two-fer! I bask in the glow, she checks her phone. Small talk, rinse wash repeat.

LOL.

[QUOTE=KingAmongKings;2201574]Hey guys,

Just wanted to make sure if I am in transit through Shanghai that I do not need a tourist visa to enter. I have read on multiple sites tourist visa is only necessary if you are staying greater than 24 hrs. Just wanted to confirm this is true.[/QUOTE]You can get entry without a visa subject to certain rules, best to read about this on an official site as the rules can change quickly.

In a nutshell, must be from one of the eligible countries as listed, must hold an onward ticket from the same airport to a foreign destination, can only travel in a certain area in / around Shanghai. Entry without visa can be for up to 144 hours in some cases.

Just make sure you allow time firstly to get through the line for the visa exemption process to catch your onward flight. Some research on travel to and from the airport and where to go for service will help maximise your hunting time.

If already hold a China visa and you are going from Shanghai to another city in China you can clear immigration and customs.

[QUOTE=NightLife17;2201444]Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).

I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.[/QUOTE]Haha, small world. Anyways, it seems that a lot of Viet girls are worried about police monitoring NLO or similar sites and don't want to advertise. I don't blame them, esp after the SNG scenario. I made a couple more contacts and have their wechats etc (already made plans to check them out next time I am in either Shanghai or Vietnam) but they don't want to make it public.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2201453]Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.

BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.

Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?[/QUOTE]As nature would grant me, I can usually go a few times easily, 3-4 times an HR. Record was 5 in 90 minutes and than chick lost her mind. Anyways, easiest way is to.

- Take a leak, drink fluids and freshen up.

- Make 5-10 minutes small talk.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2201453]Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.

BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.

Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?[/QUOTE]As nature would grant me, I can usually go a few times easily, 3-4 times an HR. Record was 5 in 90 minutes and thai chick lost her mind. Anyways, easiest way is to.

- Take a leak, drink fluids and freshen up.

- Make 5-10 minutes small talk.

- Ask the girl to wear lingerie.

- Try a different position.

- If nothing works, just do foreplay. You paid for the time, might as well get something out of it.

[QUOTE=Ravij;2201673]As nature would grant me, I can usually go a few times easily, 3-4 times an HR. Record was 5 in 90 minutes and thai chick lost her mind. Anyways, easiest way is to.

- Take a leak, drink fluids and freshen up.

- Make 5-10 minutes small talk.

- Ask the girl to wear lingerie.

- Try a different position.

- If nothing works, just do foreplay. You paid for the time, might as well get something out of it.[/QUOTE]And be 30 years old or less. Or bring chemicals.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2201453]Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?[/QUOTE]Yes, most of the FS MPs (called GM shops) were shutdown, some even literally smashed up by the police / hired thugs (is there a difference? According to the popular Chinese forum, a few have reopened on the down-low inside residential complexes, but I dare not go.

I will PM you a couple of places I know where you can still get action. But you got to tip the girls, so it's not cheap.

Shanghai, and I think most of China, is really not the same as before last summer.

The Chinese guys on the forum keep talking about this remote village in Yunnan where they go for mongering. It's like 6+ hours of train and bus rides out of the nearest big city, which itself is already a 2+ hour flight from Shanghai. If folks will go to those lengths, it shows how much it has dried up at home.

[QUOTE=NightLife17;2201444]Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).

I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.[/QUOTE]Given what happened to SNG, its boss and middle woman I can't understand how someone would do the same thing and hope it will not finish in the same way. It seems very dangerous to me especially if one is within reach of LE which is certainly the case for the girls and, I suppose, Coco, and maybe even you. Best of luck anyway I hope you know what you're doing.

Hey guys,

I will be back to SH in early August for business trip. Should be free a couple of days before being joined by colleagues.

I have lived in SH for a year awhile ago so I am very familiar with the city but I am sad to read that the mongering scene has changed a lot since my last visit.

I was hoping to go to a sauna but it seems like these places are now operating "in the dark" and prices have skyrocketed.

Do you guys know any chinese websites (I do speak and read Chinese good enough) where I could get some wechat IDs of saunas managers?

All the websites I used in the past are now shut down.

Also I was planning to go to Spring massage (the one on WanPing Rd. Which I already went to) but do not know if the famous 398 massage is still on the menu. Anyone has any intel on this?

I am not a fan of Manhattan and Judys as I prefer local flavours but I will probably give it a try.

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=VinceX;2202132]Also I was planning to go to Spring massage (the one on WanPing Rd. Which I already went to) but do not know if the famous 398 massage is still on the menu. Anyone has any intel on this?

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]I've tried 5 different Spring places since the shutdown (but not Wanping), and none of them offer the 398 RMB anymore. Instead they offer 368 RMB, which is identical to the 298 RMB of last year.

Gents -.

Who's your #1 outcall provider in Shanghai?

Will be there just one night and want to make it count.

Thanks,

-HF.

[QUOTE=HeavyFuel;2202242]Gents -.

Who's your #1 outcall provider in Shanghai?

Will be there just one night and want to make it count.

Thanks,

-HF.[/QUOTE]Maybe try Cathy Wong. She advertises in classifieds. Other members seem to like her a lot. I guess she is adventurous and really into her craft. Full disclosure: I never partook. Her looks do not fit my tastes.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2202210]I've tried 5 different Spring places since the shutdown (but not Wanping), and none of them offer the 398 RMB anymore. Instead they offer 368 RMB, which is identical to the 298 RMB of last year.[/QUOTE]Meaning you need to tip the girl if you want more right?

So given all the crackdown talk, I might just Wana get a regular massage LOL. Anyone know a place that is good and relatively cheap. I like the shiatsu places where they walk on your back if any fellow mongers can help out.

[QUOTE=VinceX;2202462]Meaning you need to tip the girl if you want more right?[/QUOTE]No, if you'll remember from last year, 298 RMB included, and still does, some level of service. If you tip for more, that is between you and the girl.

[QUOTE=KingAmongKings;2202493]So given all the crackdown talk, I might just Wana get a regular massage LOL. Anyone know a place that is good and relatively cheap. I like the shiatsu places where they walk on your back if any fellow mongers can help out.[/QUOTE]If you like Thai Yoga (with back walking), I recommend this chain.

They are all over the city. Get the Thai massage with Senior Technician. No oil, just a good strong massage and stretching. If you use Dianping, you can see which girl is popular and make a reservation. Strictly legit, so don't bother trying any funny business.

[QUOTE=KingAmongKings;2202493]So given all the crackdown talk, I might just Wana get a regular massage LOL. Anyone know a place that is good and relatively cheap. I like the shiatsu places where they walk on your back if any fellow mongers can help out.[/QUOTE]You can literally walk a block or two in any direction to find a regular massage joint. Even Spring has regular massages. Then there are also the other franchises such as yili, fudi, dragonfly, Yu, Zen, and a host of others.

Thanks for your reply, but the chain did not show up.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2202575]If you like Thai Yoga (with back walking), I recommend this chain.

They are all over the city. Get the Thai massage with Senior Technician. No oil, just a good strong massage and stretching. If you use Dianping, you can see which girl is popular and make a reservation. Strictly legit, so don't bother trying any funny business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobSH;2202575]If you like Thai Yoga (with back walking), I recommend this chain.

They are all over the city. Get the Thai massage with Senior Technician. No oil, just a good strong massage and stretching. If you use Dianping, you can see which girl is popular and make a reservation. Strictly legit, so don't bother trying any funny business.[/QUOTE]Drat. Forgot Chinese characters don't display without some faffing. Its pinyin name is Jun Yue Fu Qiao. Typing that it will bring it up on Dianping.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2202572]No, if you'll remember from last year, 298 RMB included, and still does, some level of service. If you tip for more, that is between you and the girl.[/QUOTE]I've never actually tried the 298 routine. Always went for the 398, which included body to body massage, nippples licking and HJ.

The masseuse being naked.

I wish to find the same kind of service.

Can you tell me what's included in 298? Does she undress completely?

Thanks for your time and help.

Given the state of NLO (almost no girls left, and quite frankly not the best ones), if anyone has direct contact to share, please PM me; and I will also share mine (Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Singapore).

[QUOTE=NightLife17;2201444]Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).

I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.[/QUOTE]

Hey Ravij, any way to contact you to exchange contacts? It seems impossible to PM you.

[QUOTE=Ravij;2201671]Haha, small world. Anyways, it seems that a lot of Viet girls are worried about police monitoring NLO or similar sites and don't want to advertise. I don't blame them, esp after the SNG scenario. I made a couple more contacts and have their wechats etc (already made plans to check them out next time I am in either Shanghai or Vietnam) but they don't want to make it public.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Keric333;2202587]You can literally walk a block or two in any direction to find a regular massage joint. Even Spring has regular massages. Then there are also the other franchises such as yili, fudi, dragonfly, Yu, Zen, and a host of others.[/QUOTE]Fudi is not really a regular massage shop, but closer to spring in experience (but girls won't take tips). Were others on your list like this? I haven't tried, other that dragonfly, which I think is totally legit.

I lived in Suzhou for 5+ years but moved back to the USA. Still get to Shanghai for work but not Suzhou and have been frustrated with the level of service and prices in Shanghai. Luckily one of the ladies I saw regularly in Suzhou moved with another lady to Shanghai and they do massage out of their apartment. I was a little worried the first time because it is a very Chinese sort of apartment and area, but it turned out well. Seems not having a direct Mama-san leaves them both giving better service than when in Suzhou. Anyway, PM me and I'll send you the WeChat info and a photo or two. The massage is 60 minutes with he included for no tip. I think more is on the table if you want to tip too, but certainly just for he it is a pretty good service. They go the extra mile to tease and build you up, much better than a lot of places I have been to.

The one who does the talking on WeChat is called Yang Yang and you have to translate on WeChat to communicate, she doesn't speak any English. She sends you the location on WeChat and from there it is easy. The work out of XuHui District near CaoHeJing Street and Nanning Road on the south west side sorta by the south train station.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2203466]Fudi is not really a regular massage shop, but closer to spring in experience (but girls won't take tips). Were others on your list like this? I haven't tried, other that dragonfly, which I think is totally legit.[/QUOTE]Well I personally have Fudi leaning towards more on the side of being regular massage joint. I wouldn't go there for he. You are correct in stating there is no tipping but nor would you get a he for one of the lower priced massages. I'd say there's a definite difference from Spring which has more options and the masseuses look more provocative.

As for other 'veggie' joints, like Kangdi or Kangdao, although rare, there have been instances where he has been offered if tipped. Keep in mind, as we all should know already, most legit masseuses won't have the look or the demeanor of someone who regularly gives tug jobs.

K.

[QUOTE=Dave1990;2203521], PM me and I'll send you the WeChat info and a photo or two. The massage is 60 minutes with he included for no tip. I think more is on the table if you want to tip too, but certainly just for he it is a pretty good service. They go the extra mile to tease and build you up, much better than a lot of places I have been to.

The one who does the talking on WeChat is called Yang Yang and you have to translate on WeChat to communicate, she doesn't speak any English. She sends you the location on WeChat and from there it is easy. The work out of XuHui District near CaoHeJing Street and Nanning Road on the south west side sorta by the south train station.[/QUOTE]You need to be a paid member to receive PM.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2203725]Well I personally have Fudi leaning towards more on the side of being regular massage joint. I wouldn't go there for he. You are correct in stating there is no tipping but nor would you get a he for one of the lower priced massages. I'd say there's a definite difference from Spring which has more options and the masseuses look more provocative.

K.[/QUOTE]OK, perhaps it depends on the shop. My regular Fudi shop only ever has guy customers, and then they always have the door window covered over with their red drape. The girls wear this kinda provocative flight-attendant uniform, and some of them are really cute.

[QUOTE=Dave1990;2203521]I lived in Suzhou for 5+ years but moved back to the USA. Still get to Shanghai for work but not Suzhou and have been frustrated with the level of service and prices in Shanghai. Luckily one of the ladies I saw regularly in Suzhou moved with another lady to Shanghai and they do massage out of their apartment. I was a little worried the first time because it is a very Chinese sort of apartment and area, but it turned out well. Seems not having a direct Mama-san leaves them both giving better service than when in Suzhou. Anyway, PM me and I'll send you the WeChat info and a photo or two. The massage is 60 minutes with he included for no tip. I think more is on the table if you want to tip too, but certainly just for he it is a pretty good service. They go the extra mile to tease and build you up, much better than a lot of places I have been to.

The one who does the talking on WeChat is called Yang Yang and you have to translate on WeChat to communicate, she doesn't speak any English. She sends you the location on WeChat and from there it is easy. The work out of XuHui District near CaoHeJing Street and Nanning Road on the south west side sorta by the south train station.[/QUOTE]Heading to Suzhou in early August, I see the Suzhou thread has gone silent. Not sure if this is due to the crackdown or not, but I look forward to sharing some reports once I hit the ground. Will be spending a day in Shanghai before Suzhou and am planning to hit a couple of Spring locations. I figure worst case scenario I will get a good massage after the flight, hopefully more!

Hi Ravji,

Is there any way to contact you. Your PM is not active. I am from India and visiting SNG. Need some help on pointers and other info.

[QUOTE=Joeybagadonutz;2203993]Heading to Suzhou in early August, I see the Suzhou thread has gone silent. Not sure if this is due to the crackdown or not, but I look forward to sharing some reports once I hit the ground. Will be spending a day in Shanghai before Suzhou and am planning to hit a couple of Spring locations. I figure worst case scenario I will get a good massage after the flight, hopefully more![/QUOTE]I spend all of my time in Suzhou and have found a number of wonderful girls. I am quite familiar with places east of Jinji Lake and 'The Pants' building. There is a special massage place that if you kinda of tell them what you are looking and look non-native for the right price you are in. But I typically don't to them unless I am looking for a normal massage or foot massage. My best luck has been through WeChat and also hanging out in the lobby of the hotel. They seem to like to hang out in the hotel lobbies certain nights of the week. I have even had them just walk up behind me and follow me up the elevator.

Back in Shanghai after a few months in the States. Not much new to add to the previous reports about crackdown, lack of options, etc. Even some of my previous standards have gone silent on WeChat, etc. It appears the crackdown is part of a larger societal tightening including social credit scores for citizen, fingerprint scans for "foreigners" upon arrival, VPN blockage financial credit tightening, etc. While history says that things will loosen up again, or reappear in other formats, channel etc in the mongering area, it sure has taken the fun out of Shanghai for the time being. I will continue to look for good options and report back on any keepers.

[QUOTE=GaMarkyMark;2204504]I spend all of my time in Suzhou and have found a number of wonderful girls. I am quite familiar with places east of Jinji Lake and 'The Pants' building. There is a special massage place that if you kinda of tell them what you are looking and look non-native for the right price you are in. But I typically don't to them unless I am looking for a normal massage or foot massage. My best luck has been through WeChat and also hanging out in the lobby of the hotel. They seem to like to hang out in the hotel lobbies certain nights of the week. I have even had them just walk up behind me and follow me up the elevator.[/QUOTE]Awesome, thanks Mark. Do you find that you need good Chinese language skills in Suzhou to meet girls? Which hotels do you have the best luck in meeting lobby girls? I will be at the Intercontinental, so due east of Jinji. Is the massage place you mentioned in the pants building? Thanks brother!

[QUOTE=Joeybagadonutz;2204661]Awesome, thanks Mark. Do you find that you need good Chinese language skills in Suzhou to meet girls? Which hotels do you have the best luck in meeting lobby girls? I will be at the Intercontinental, so due east of Jinji. Is the massage place you mentioned in the pants building? Thanks brother![/QUOTE]All my communication is done on WeChat, it has a translator. Although not perfect you can get the jest of what they are saying and they also can get the jest of what you want. After we do meet most of them have a translator app on their phone where you can speak and it will translate back, I also have one. That and facial expressions work great and also hand gestures, LOL.

The hotel is good, also take some walks around the lake and smile and try and start up conversations with girls that smile back and not nose into their phone.

No massage place is not in the Pants building or the huge mall below, typically they are on side streets. The ideal place are buildings that have KTV and a massage place adjacent to them or on the same floor.

Any chance this Suzhou crap can be posted in the Suzhou thread?

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2205254]Any chance this Suzhou crap can be posted in the Suzhou thread?[/QUOTE]I totally agree. And why not pay 20 bux for a membership and move your personal convos to PM? On a related note, I hope the China threads do not become like the ridiculous and chaotic India threads, with posters constantly begging each other for contacts. If you have contacts, then say so and ask that anyone that is interested to PM you. Otherwise, don't beg for contacts. We have already reported numerous times, over and over, who the reliable outcalls are. Just RTFF.

Since my regular sauna pushed back up prices from a special of all girls for 1400, thought I'd experiment.

Tried this place: [URL]http://www.aishxx.biz/thread-469669-1-1.html[/URL].

From the ad. Great location on Kangding in Jingan, but they misplayed it. Led me to an apartment and let me choose from 4 ugliest. While claiming 3 hot ones were on break. Adding insult to injury, they wanted nearly 1800. Politely declined and left. The 4 they offered I "might" do as freebies, but not for that price, protruding tummies, ugly faces, etc. These girls would have been 400-500 a few years ago.

They wechatted me after I left and offered a different location near Shanghai Railway Station. We'll see.

It's really hit and miss these days with all the internet marketing. But the trends seem to have sauna coming back with addition of many serve out of the apartments. I haven't tried too many of them. It may be good to start a Shanghai wechat group so we can share the info? I got a few good contacts we can share.

It has been a while. I visited one in the apartment and the services were pretty good. The girl is a solid 8 in look but the service is so so.

Kind bring me back to the memory of apartment girls a decade back. Those were the good time and a lot more fun.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2206176]Since my regular sauna pushed back up prices from a special of all girls for 1400, thought I'd experiment.

Tried this place: [URL]http://www.aishxx.biz/thread-469669-1-1.html[/URL].

From the ad. Great location on Kangding in Jingan, but they misplayed it. Led me to an apartment and let me choose from 4 ugliest. While claiming 3 hot ones were on break. Adding insult to injury, they wanted nearly 1800. Politely declined and left. The 4 they offered I "might" do as freebies, but not for that price, protruding tummies, ugly faces, etc. These girls would have been 400-500 a few years ago.

They wechatted me after I left and offered a different location near Shanghai Railway Station. We'll see.[/QUOTE]

Just returned to Miami from a week long biz trip to Shanghai. Despite best efforts no good quality, affordable, safe fun to be found. Amazing change in atmosphere in a few months time. I guess only an authoritarian government can effectively enforce not only a crackdown, but instill a sense of fear into normally adventurous mongers and providers. GFE saunas gone underground, massage seems mostly legit, bar girls drink rip offs only, etc. Finding good fun is hit and miss at best. Prices rival USA. Maybe the intense summer heat and humidity even at night has everyone in a funk and we can hope for better things in the Fall, but for now, the playground is closed unless you want to overpay and under enjoy.

What is the status of the BJ "spa" on Changshou road in Jingan? Any reports?

[QUOTE=TechAdv76;2206294]Just returned to Miami from a week long biz trip to Shanghai. Despite best efforts no good quality, affordable, safe fun to be found. Amazing change in atmosphere in a few months time. I guess only an authoritarian government can effectively enforce not only a crackdown, but instill a sense of fear into normally adventurous mongers and providers. GFE saunas gone underground, massage seems mostly legit, bar girls drink rip offs only, etc. Finding good fun is hit and miss at best. Prices rival USA. Maybe the intense summer heat and humidity even at night has everyone in a funk and we can hope for better things in the Fall, but for now, the playground is closed unless you want to overpay and under enjoy.[/QUOTE]Did you happen to try Manhattan or Judy's? It seems like they are possibly the best option right now. I'm just wondering if taking Judy's or Manhattan girls back to the hotel is still reasonably safe. It feels like a while since someone reported back on Judy's and Manhattans. I'll be there in a couple of weeks and will also report back.

[QUOTE=Jman90024;2206281]It's really hit and miss these days with all the internet marketing. But the trends seem to have sauna coming back with addition of many serve out of the apartments. I haven't tried too many of them. It may be good to start a Shanghai wechat group so we can share the info? I got a few good contacts we can share.

It has been a while. I visited one in the apartment and the services were pretty good. The girl is a solid 8 in look but the service is so so.

Kind bring me back to the memory of apartment girls a decade back. Those were the good time and a lot more fun.[/QUOTE]I sent you a PM with my Wechat ID.

[QUOTE=Jman90024;2206281]It's really hit and miss these days with all the internet marketing. But the trends seem to have sauna coming back with addition of many serve out of the apartments. I haven't tried too many of them. It may be good to start a Shanghai wechat group so we can share the info? I got a few good contacts we can share.

It has been a while. I visited one in the apartment and the services were pretty good. The girl is a solid 8 in look but the service is so so.

Kind bring me back to the memory of apartment girls a decade back. Those were the good time and a lot more fun.[/QUOTE]Happy to participate if you want to start a wechat group. There's definitely still action, but harder to find.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2206500]Happy to participate if you want to start a wechat group. There's definitely still action, but harder to find.[/QUOTE]Yes, lets do this. I sent both you guys a PM with my wechat ID.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2206522]Yes, lets do this. I sent both you guys a PM with my wechat ID.[/QUOTE]Hi Guys, I would like to join the wechat group. I will pass through shanghai next month and will stay for 1 night. Planning to hit sauna in Changning where the papa has send me the info. Do not know what condition is as the last time I visited this place was more than a year ago before the crackdown. I have address and will share through PM.

Enjoy if you can.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Whiskey7;2206431]Did you happen to try Manhattan or Judy's? It seems like they are possibly the best option right now. I'm just wondering if taking Judy's or Manhattan girls back to the hotel is still reasonably safe. It feels like a while since someone reported back on Judy's and Manhattans. I'll be there in a couple of weeks and will also report back.[/QUOTE]Yes J and M are still options and just about the only reliable ones, IMO. Not aware of any new hotel girl issues (assume hotel is historically girl friendly, still is). Seems the biggest issue in that scenario is higher prices because of fewer options. Bottom line is that SH is not as much fun, not as safe from LE, and certainly not as affordable as it once was. Frankly, it was so hot, humid and smoggy that I couldn't wait to leave, contrary to my pleasant trips in the past and great hospitality from my Chin biz partners, as usual. I believe things will eventually improve, but the crackdown may represent a shift in long term policy that some call the "fun police state". Many things viewed by Beijing as corrupt indulgences. Golf, nice cars, designer clothes, fancy biz meals, KTV and saunas for both locals and foreigners as now seriously frowned upon. Given the mandatory fingerprinting at the airport for foreigners the intimidation factor is substantial. My advice save the activities for somewhere less expensive and "safer" in all respects.

Thanks TechAdv76 for the reply / info!

BTW, I do fully realize I'm a newbie in here and I haven't yet built up any credit. I am however not new to the hobby (been active since taking a girl home from Harmony Theater in NYC back in the mid 90's). But I absolutely promise to post reviews / info after my Shanghai trip in a couple of weeks. I have a couple more questions I'the really appreciate some inputs on.

1) Currently I am booked into the Paramount Gallery Hotel. Apparently it is a 10-15 minute walk from J and M. Is this hotel considered WG friendly? Will I have to walk past reception to get to the elevators / room?

2) If I am returning with a WG, is it best to walk in separately, or together (I'm 44, and yeah, although I'm in decent shape, I think most people would not look at me and a J or M girl and think we were just a regular couple).

Ok, I'm going to chance my arm and ask one more question.

3) Given the choice of going to J or M and scoring a hot 8 or 9, or just venturing down to the hotel bar and finding a 7 for a similar price, I'the probably opt for the 7 in the hotel bar (just less hassle). Is the hotel bar (at a place like Paramount Gallery) an option?

BTW, if Paramount Gallery is not WG friendly, is there another option (other than Portman Ritz) close to J and M?

[QUOTE=Whiskey7;2206867]Thanks TechAdv76 for the reply / info!

BTW, I do fully realize I'm a newbie in here and I haven't yet built up any credit. I am however not new to the hobby (been active since taking a girl home from Harmony Theater in NYC back in the mid 90's). But I absolutely promise to post reviews / info after my Shanghai trip in a couple of weeks. I have a couple more questions I'the really appreciate some inputs on.

1) Currently I am booked into the Paramount Gallery Hotel. Apparently it is a 10-15 minute walk from J and M. Is this hotel considered WG friendly? Will I have to walk past reception to get to the elevators / room?

2) If I am returning with a WG, is it best to walk in separately, or together (I'm 44, and yeah, although I'm in decent shape, I think most people would not look at me and a J or M girl and think we were just a regular couple).[/QUOTE]I have never had an issue with hotels in China giving me a hard time about bringing girls back. Make sure you book your room with 2 guests not just 1. The Radisson properties (Xing Guo and New World), Hilton and Portman ritz are all girl friendly. Will also state that it has been 2 years since I have been in Shanghai, things may have changed. Will be there in a few days, will let you know if I have issues.

Most hotel bars are extremely hit or miss, found one good massage girl in Shanghai, but the rest were pretty rough.

I have a friend that stays at the Shangri-La and has brought back girls with no problems.

Good luck!

As for why:

[URL]http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/article/exhibitioninfo/domesticfairs/201801/20180102700972.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1807289525/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2207125]As for why:

[URL]http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/article/exhibitioninfo/domesticfairs/201801/20180102700972.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1807289525/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up. Your weather forecasts are always accurate.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2207125]As for why:

[URL]http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/article/exhibitioninfo/domesticfairs/201801/20180102700972.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1807289525/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Makes sense that international invite trade fair would lead to windy weather, just like our political conventions lead to homeless roundups, etc. In host cities. However, Beijing has mandated a shift toward less overt indulgence of wealth (golf, designer shopping, fancy cars, etc.) and decadence (you define), so the weather is windy all over China. Look at reports from other cities, all seem to be windier than usual.

I hope this wind is not the "new normal", but it may be.

Finally got registered.

Aroma Spa indeed is "on" and good.

358; 70 mins comes with good massage & he. Addtl tip for full naked & roaming. FS is definitely on, need to nego. Though, not yet tried at shop.

Mine was #80. Will not repeat; for there are other choices. Opens at noon, best time is ard early afternoon.

Have fun & stay safe.

Hey guys,

I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.

Shanghai is a big city. A little more location info would be a big help.

[QUOTE=SHRocks;2207657]Finally got registered.

Aroma Spa indeed is "on" and good.

358; 70 mins comes with good massage & he. Addtl tip for full naked & roaming. FS is definitely on, need to nego. Though, not yet tried at shop.

Mine was #80. Will not repeat; for there are other choices. Opens at noon, best time is ard early afternoon.

Have fun & stay safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2206361]What is the status of the BJ "spa" on Changshou road in Jingan? Any reports?[/QUOTE]Hey Beijing,

When I was there in May, everything was normal. Heading back in a couple weeks and will report if I have time to visit Changshou Lu.

[QUOTE=OnyxKhan;2207754]Hey guys,

I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.[/QUOTE]I would not pay in advance.

[QUOTE=OnyxKhan;2207754]Hey guys,

I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.[/QUOTE]Mimi is the real deal, sassy, fit little lady with implants. Met her once and continue to tease me through wechat.

My most memorable memory beyond my pictures of her in red heels and butt naked, is great BBJCiM and after DATY "I so horny boom boom time".

I would pay at beginning of date but not before hand. Perhaps suggest a meet up and coffee to size things up.

Good luck, if she shows up it should be good, YMMV.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2207830]Shanghai is a big city. A little more location info would be a big help.[/QUOTE]Oops. It was reported by a senior member previously.

Its on Xietu Road (Luban Road). A row of shops (part of a housing compound) directly opposite Century Mart supermarket (super huge one).

Line 4; luban Road exit; head to xietu Road.

[QUOTE=OnyxKhan;2207754]Hey guys,

I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.[/QUOTE]I would not pay in advance.

Jb.

[QUOTE=SHRocks;2207893]Oops. It was reported by a senior member previously.

Its on Xietu Road (Luban Road). A row of shops (part of a housing compound) directly opposite Century Mart supermarket (super huge one).

Line 4; luban Road exit; head to xietu Road.[/QUOTE]Update: I went back and it's closed today. Heard from girls contact; totally closed down.

My report was based on my earlier visit.

Damn. Lost another gem.

[QUOTE=SHRocks;2207999]Update: I went back and it's closed today. Heard from girls contact; totally closed down.

My report was based on my earlier visit.

Damn. Lost another gem.[/QUOTE]I have double verified; shop is not closed. Apologies for my misleading posting. I went there early noon; shop in total darkness. Called a girl who worked there; and she played a prank.

Confirmed they opened late and shop is operational last night. I'll triple confirm by going there again these few days and will report. Sorry for misleading.

Hello Gents,

Long time lurker and first time post. Was in Shanghai for several days and thanks for the detailed info in previous pages, was able to understand the "windy weather" that is now prevalent and the do / don't, who / who not. Since I speak zero Chinese, my language help was an app. So, I figured out that venturing in a lot of the places mentioned might be a challenge. I tried once to reach 76 Changshou and gave up.

Per the various recommendations, I had WenLi come to my hotel. Nothing to add to what has already been said. She is quite good, especially at rimming.

By chance I stumbled on a place that was just a block from my hotel, it was written on the side "foot, bath massage" and I decided to venture in. I could not utter a word in Chinese and neither could they in English. So I ended up with a regular foot massage for less than 200 RMB. Then I tried to ask the foot masseuse for "extras" (using the app) and she said that I can get extra from the "other girls" for 260 RMB, which I did, and I finally understood that you can directly ask for "massage with oil" for 260 RMB and you will get the "other girls".

Pros: a good he is included in the 260 RMB; the girl has to spent 45 minutes in the room; if you are done before the time, they will ask you not to leave and will continue to massage or sit with you till the 45 minutes are over; there are a variety of girls, between 4 and 7; roaming is allowed.

Cons: massage is so-so; massage beds are not the cleanest (had to get back to the hotel and take a shower every time); there was no line up every time I went. Maybe they could do one if asked, especially since the girls are in the 4-7; did not ask for line up because it was already awkward conversing through the app;.

As a note, all the mongers that I ran into when entering or exiting were all Chinese. I did not see any foreigner (beside myself). All girls that I had the various times I went there were "bushy". Not sure if it is a pro or con, but just what I found out.

Not sure when I will be back in your corner of the world.

Peace out gents.

While she may in fact be the real deal, there are plenty others that wouldn't require the risk. I've sent 9's home that insisted on paying before services. No way would I pay in advance.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2207886]Mimi is the real deal, sassy, fit little lady with implants. Met her once and continue to tease me through wechat.

My most memorable memory beyond my pictures of her in red heels and butt naked, is great BBJCiM and after DATY "I so horny boom boom time".

I would pay at beginning of date but not before hand. Perhaps suggest a meet up and coffee to size things up.

Good luck, if she shows up it should be good, YMMV.[/QUOTE]

I concur on not paying anything in advance. There are also services online which offer take-out and ask for a deposit. I strongly advise against that as well. I would understand if they arrive and they aren't to you liking and then asking for cab fare, then that to me would be acceptable. Other than that, I wouldn't pay for anything until after being serviced.

[QUOTE=JohnTheLover;2208522]Hello Gents,

Long time lurker and first time post. Was in Shanghai for several days and thanks for the detailed info in previous pages, was able to understand the "windy weather" that is now prevalent and the do / don't, who / who not. Since I speak zero Chinese, my language help was an app. So, I figured out that venturing in a lot of the places mentioned might be a challenge. I tried once to reach 76 Changshou and gave up.

Per the various recommendations, I had WenLi come to my hotel. Nothing to add to what has already been said. She is quite good, especially at rimming.

By chance I stumbled on a place that was just a block from my hotel, it was written on the side "foot, bath massage" and I decided to venture in. I could not utter a word in Chinese and neither could they in English. So I ended up with a regular foot massage for less than 200 RMB. Then I tried to ask the foot masseuse for "extras" (using the app) and she said that I can get extra from the "other girls" for 260 RMB, which I did, and I finally understood that you can directly ask for "massage with oil" for 260 RMB and you will get the "other girls"..[/QUOTE]What is shop number of this shop? Can you please PM me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GaMarkyMark;2204504]I spend all of my time in Suzhou and have found a number of wonderful girls. I am quite familiar with places east of Jinji Lake and 'The Pants' building. There is a special massage place that if you kinda of tell them what you are looking and look non-native for the right price you are in. But I typically don't to them unless I am looking for a normal massage or foot massage. My best luck has been through WeChat and also hanging out in the lobby of the hotel. They seem to like to hang out in the hotel lobbies certain nights of the week. I have even had them just walk up behind me and follow me up the elevator.[/QUOTE]I assume you tried the dancehalls? They can be great fun if you speak some Chinese.

What are the places East of Jinji lake? MPs? Do you have street names? What is the "pants building"?

[QUOTE=JohnTheLover;2208522]By chance I stumbled on a place that was just a block from my hotel, it was written on the side "foot, bath massage" and I decided to venture in.
Cons: massage is so-so; massage beds are not the cleanest (had to get back to the hotel and take a shower every time); there was no line up every time I went. Maybe they could do one if asked, especially since the girls are in the 4-7; did not ask for line up because it was already awkward conversing through the app;.


Peace out gents.[/QUOTE]Could you be a bit more specific about the location? It sounds like a fairly standard MP service for China, so I don't think naming them will get them in any LE trouble. Also, lineups are not the done thing in MPs, but you are free to request a different girl if the one they assign you is not to your liking, and doing this more than once is also OK. Lineups are a Sauna thing (but not many of those left these days).

I reported a while ago about this place that now seems to be mentioned here a few more times. I went there tonight and got two pops. One laying down with an ass massage and some subtle fingering (not my thing but I enjoyed it). Once I flipped about 20 minutes later little John was up again. I asked for FS and ended up paying a 600 cny tip. I know it's a bit high but this little skinny girl was perfect and I couldn't resist. She has no "number" but just ask the manager for a short skinny girl and you will get her.

Won't go into more details, but there you go. A new gem!

Xietu Road and Luban road. The shop is near a compound. Across a big Lianhua / Supermarket.

Quite a few freelancers or semi pros at Mint last Saturday. Even though I was with a girldfriend I got appoached 5 times in 1 hour including by a stunning Chinese woman, naked under her sleeveless jacket: I'm still seeing cleavage and side boobs. Coudn't convince GF to ask her if she was open to 3 p, didn't get her contact. May have been too expensive anyway given her apparent lack of success.

Hi,

Finally got my account working. I have contacts for a few Viet girls working in Shanghai, PM me for details. They aren't super-cheap but a few of them are super-good!

[QUOTE=TechAdv76;2206728]Yes J and M are still options and just about the only reliable ones, IMO. Not aware of any new hotel girl issues (assume hotel is historically girl friendly, still is). Seems the biggest issue in that scenario is higher prices because of fewer options. Bottom line is that SH is not as much fun, not as safe from LE, and certainly not as affordable as it once was. Frankly, it was so hot, humid and smoggy that I couldn't wait to leave, contrary to my pleasant trips in the past and great hospitality from my Chin biz partners, as usual. I believe things will eventually improve, but the crackdown may represent a shift in long term policy that some call the "fun police state". Many things viewed by Beijing as corrupt indulgences. Golf, nice cars, designer clothes, fancy biz meals, KTV and saunas for both locals and foreigners as now seriously frowned upon. Given the mandatory fingerprinting at the airport for foreigners the intimidation factor is substantial. My advice save the activities for somewhere less expensive and "safer" in all respects.[/QUOTE]Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.

On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2209454]Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.

On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. I am sure that human nature (lust and greed) will eventually bring a fun resurgence, but for now it is best to find a regular if possible to avoid the disappointments that comes from blind dates, not to mention the safety factor on all fronts.

Based on recent reports of this place, I decided to check it out. Easy to find. Address is 638 Xietu Lu. On the Didi app, you can just search for Century Mart Luban branch, as the spa is directly across the street from it, as a poster previously described. Menu is mostly in Chinese, but there was something called Aroma Spa, which was for 80 minutes and 358 rmb. However, I was told to go with the 70 minute 368 rmb option. Whatever. I like shorter sessions anyway. In the room, there is a shower, but it does not work, so I had to shower down the hall. Back in the room, in blue paper shorts, I am on my front, and the oil massage is so-so, but after 20 minutes, I get a very good cock massage that lasts for at least 5 minutes. The provider is trying hard to get me to pop, but I resist the urge because I wanted to find out if sex was available. I am in my 50's and so I cannot pop twice within an hour. The provider finally gives up trying to make me pop and lets out a loud sigh, and so she is obviously annoyed. She told me to flip. And while she is caressing me as I am on my back, she says she can take her top off if I tip her. I ask her for sex, and she said no way, and that it is not available at her shop. Ha. Liar. Anyway, I got up and showered and left. I was only there for 35-40 minutes total. I didn't even want to fuck her, because she was not pretty and kinda fat, but I was willing to do so to find out if sex was available at this shop. I saw a few other providers, and no one looked very good. Another poster also mentioned that he would not repeat with his provider. I believe other posters that said they got laid at this shop, so this is obviously a YMMV thing. But based on the girls that I saw and my own experience, I may not return. Well, I may return one more time if others continue reporting positive things about this place, hahaha. But in the meantime, let’s hold off on calling this place a gem. There are many many jack shacks in Shanghai where you can occasionally get lucky and get sex from a 3. FWIW, my provider was number 59.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2209758]Based on recent reports of this place, I decided to check it out. Easy to find. Address is 638 Xietu Lu. On the Didi app, you can just search for Century Mart Luban branch, as the spa is directly across the street from it, as a poster previously described. Menu is mostly in Chinese, but there was something called Aroma Spa, which was for 80 minutes and 358 rmb. However, I was told to go with the 70 minute 368 rmb option. Whatever. I like shorter sessions anyway. In the room, there is a shower, but it does not work, so I had to shower down the hall. Back in the room, in blue paper shorts, I am on my front, and the oil massage is so-so, but after 20 minutes, I get a very good cock massage that lasts for at least 5 minutes. The provider is trying hard to get me to pop, but I resist the urge because I wanted to find out if sex was available. I am in my 50's and so I cannot pop twice within an hour. The provider finally gives up trying to make me pop and lets out a loud sigh, and so she is obviously annoyed. She told me to flip. And while she is caressing me as I am on my back, she says she can take her top off if I tip her. I ask her for sex, and she said no way, and that it is not available at her shop. Ha. Liar. Anyway, I got up and showered and left. I was only there for 35-40 minutes total. I didn't even want to fuck her, because she was not pretty and kinda fat, but I was willing to do so to find out if sex was available at this shop. I saw a few other providers, and no one looked very good. Another poster also mentioned that he would not repeat with his provider..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the candid review.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2209454]Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont.[/QUOTE]You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.

I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?

[QUOTE=Cwomd;2209856]I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?[/QUOTE]Last time I saw BBS was up in dongbei last year. Southern area is completely wiped out. Didn't see any in jinjiang, quanzhou, guilin either.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2209816]You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.[/QUOTE]MW,

I am with you. I occasionally had room service mostly when I wanted to get laid and did not have other options in cities that I am not familiar with. If in Beijing, I would rather go to Maggie's. Room service cost seems uniform, 2 K, but sometime a 2 shows up. I often regretted afterwards, but what can I do? I was not using the right body part to think at the time.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2209816]You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.[/QUOTE]Sometimes, I had to have a regular massage first before getting a FS girl. That also adds to the cost.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2209816]You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.[/QUOTE]You're definitely not the only one overpaying for room service. I've done only a bit; most of my hotel stays have been in Shanghai where there are other options. Used to stay at the Jinling in Nanjing and they had hotel massage that was OK; it was quite a while ago and remember price being steep. Could occasionally get a he at the hotel spa in Kempinski Yinchuan in 2016, but way overpriced. A few years back (2008 - 2014) I spent a lot of time in small city of Jiangmen in Guangdong (sort of between Dongguan and Zhuhai). Used to stay at the Yucca Hotel there and the hotel in-room massage service was decent. He was always on the menu (with a 200 - 300 tip), and FS was hit or miss (about half girls would go for it for a 600 - 800 tip).

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2209816]You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.[/QUOTE]If one is tired and lazy and got 2 k to blow, why not WeChat nearby function. Never fails that I seem to get an invite from an agent or two with offering. Of course talent and price is variable but I have sampled from 600-1.5 K but never what I would call a 2/5 looks, usually passable 3/5, skill and enthusiasm seen 2/5, LOL and that has made me never do it again no matter what LB is thinking or wanting LOL.

All,

I am new to the forum and (relatively) new to SH, living and working there for 6 months speak some Chinese these days, taking 1:1 lessons. I had a tryout at J&M two weeks ago, staying at the Portman for convenience. Booked through [URL]trip.com[/URL] to get some good last minute rates.

Both clubs had some good action going on, with lots of nice girls. I found Manhattan more relaxed, found some people at the bar to chat to. Nice to stay there for a while and watch the action.

No problem with the hotel, we were a bit discreet and just happened to be in the same elevator.

Around midnight Nanyang / Tongren Road gets a little bit so so, danger of pickpocketing according to the girls. Best is to take only a bit of cash with you if you stay close by.

Good are to have some fun, will repeat at one point.

Hello fellow mongers,

I am new to the Shanghai thread (been reading a lot) but not new to the mongering scene.

I'm going to Shanghai for about 5-6 days in about 10 days.

I wanted to ask a couple of questions about those MPs offering full service for around 1200 plus taxi.

From what I'm reading, they are decreasing, but from the websites, there are at least 7-8 various websites with different girls.

Can anyone share their experience, recommendations on which websites have the best quality girls and what to expect from the full service? (extras like CIM, rimming).

Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?

Finally, for outcall to my hotel, would there be any recommendations on using m-republic or other specific websites that have cute-ish girls that do accept CIM, rimming etc for around 1,500 ?

I also saw some submissive website, anyone try those or know their prices?

Your feedback will be rewarded with pictures, full daily reports and any info I can gather that would be of help.

My main focus will be on outcall BTW, and I'd like to limit my per hour cost to 1,500 per girl if that's doable.

[QUOTE=AdvancedPerson;2210964]
Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?
.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is really that easy. If you use WeChat's search people nearby function, then you will immediately be bombarded with indies and pimps. But read Tyb60 's report just below. They never look like the pictures, and the service almost invariably sux. Don't take my word for it, it is a consensus opinion if you go through many pages of various China threads. If you want to fuck WGs in your hotel room, then try M or J for takeout or read the last 10 pages of the forum for reliable indies. I think many of us are staying away from agencies and ordering from MPs these days, especially using WeChat, which is easily monitored, because of a recent arrest of a well known agnency owner and because of anticipated windy weather. That's my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=AdvancedPerson;2210964]Hello fellow mongers,

I am new to the Shanghai thread (been reading a lot) but not new to the mongering scene.

I'm going to Shanghai for about 5-6 days in about 10 days.

I wanted to ask a couple of questions about those MPs offering full service for around 1200 plus taxi.

From what I'm reading, they are decreasing, but from the websites, there are at least 7-8 various websites with different girls.

Can anyone share their experience, recommendations on which websites have the best quality girls and what to expect from the full service? (extras like CIM, rimming).

Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?

Finally, for outcall to my hotel, would there be any recommendations on using m-republic or other specific websites that have cute-ish girls that do accept CIM, rimming etc for around 1,500 ?

I also saw some submissive website, anyone try those or know their prices?

Your feedback will be rewarded with pictures, full daily reports and any info I can gather that would be of help.

My main focus will be on outcall BTW, and I'd like to limit my per hour cost to 1,500 per girl if that's doable.[/QUOTE]If you have 1500ST I would highly recommend Manhattan. And that is the standard ST rate. I am sure others may say WeChat or whatever which is cool for them. But for me I like to see the girls up close and personal and not risk a no show or bait and switch with my very limited time. Plus the experience itself of being a truly sought after guy at the club is great fun by itself, which most of us have not experienced before. You will feel truly loved! 😀.

There is of course no real guarantee of CIM and YMMV. My experience is the younger ones are more likely to give full on GFE and not try to get by short changing you. My last girl there was a college student (believable) and whereas she politely declined DATY (no biggie for me) her DFK and BBBJ were passionate and enthusiastic, with CIM finish. 1500 plus 200 tip if I recall.

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[QUOTE=Midwestern;2211194]Yes, it is really that easy. If you use WeChat's search people nearby function, then you will immediately be bombarded with indies and pimps. But read Tyb60 's report just below. They never look like the pictures, and the service almost invariably sux. Don't take my word for it, it is a consensus opinion if you go through many pages of various China threads. If you want to fuck WGs in your hotel room, then try M or J for takeout or read the last 10 pages of the forum for reliable indies. I think many of us are staying away from agencies and ordering from MPs these days, especially using WeChat, which is easily monitored, because of a recent arrest of a well known agnency owner and because of anticipated windy weather. That's my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Things are unpredictable in China right now and us "foreigners" are carefully monitored. Err on the cautious side, even if more expensive!

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[QUOTE=AdvancedPerson;2210964]Hello fellow mongers,

I am new to the Shanghai thread (been reading a lot) but not new to the mongering scene.

I'm going to Shanghai for about 5-6 days in about 10 days.

I wanted to ask a couple of questions about those MPs offering full service for around 1200 plus taxi.

From what I'm reading, they are decreasing, but from the websites, there are at least 7-8 various websites with different girls.

Can anyone share their experience, recommendations on which websites have the best quality girls and what to expect from the full service? (extras like CIM, rimming).

Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?

Finally, for outcall to my hotel, would there be any recommendations on using m-republic or other specific websites that have cute-ish girls that do accept CIM, rimming etc for around 1,500 ?

I also saw some submissive website, anyone try those or know their prices?

Your feedback will be rewarded with pictures, full daily reports and any info I can gather that would be of help.

My main focus will be on outcall BTW, and I'd like to limit my per hour cost to 1,500 per girl if that's doable.[/QUOTE]

Been very busy lately and not able to report anything. I have been traveling Shanghai and China for twenty years, close to 6 trips and 75 night every year in China.

Will hang it up soon. The MP's, Judy's and Manhattans are a waste of time and money. When the time comes I should auction my Black Book off. Ha ha ha.

Badoo is a great site to work on in your spare time, you can find the Viets that hang out at Manhattans and Judy there. Make contact and have them visit you. Same price.

I have found some very interesting girls on Badoo. Anyone that posts her We Chat is an 80% sure thing. I stay in Pudong. Never a problem to have them Taxi over to the hotel.

When you take into consideration the time and money for the taxi and drinks, 1500-1800 for them to come to you is a good deal. And your on your own turf. (overnight is around 1800-2000).

I met a little gal sometime back, from poor family, skinny has hell. Loves to do anything, she is into porn. So she comes over, next morning she shows me her phone with a pair of glasses.

She needs, 300 rmb, that's all she wanted.

And I said "wanted", just the glasses. I could of said no and sent her home.

Of course I gave her 1500, she thought I was a KING. Now see her every other trip, she is very pleasing.

Guys just do your home work with these dating sites, after a while you will have 40-50 contacts. Problem is you have to keep in touch via WE CHAT.

HAPPY Hunting!!

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.

So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.

Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).

[QUOTE=Cwomd;2209856]I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?[/QUOTE]They are stilll loads. But you need to go to the less developed areas.

[QUOTE=Marty47;2211308]The MP's, Judy's and Manhattans are a waste of time and money.

When you take into consideration the time and money for the taxi and drinks, 1500-1800 for them to come to you is a good deal. And your on your own turf. (overnight is around 1800-2000).

Problem is you have to keep in touch via WE CHAT.[/QUOTE]Every now and then there are people like you comparing using dating sites to the bar / MP / Saunas / escort / usual mongering options.

It surelly is an option amongst others, but it doesn't make any sense saying MPs or bars are a "waste of time and money" when you say you end up paying 1500 to that girl and considering the chating time necessary to find and keep these contacts.

I actually understand better the guys who use dating sites to get freebies but then again we all know nothing is really free and for people who've used such sites before we all know its a huge time sink and not compatible with a busy working life and mariage.

Enjoy your dating sites but I still view MPs as much more efficient money & timewise :)

SamCan and others.

I have never tried these two places and would like to give them a try next weekend. Thank you for great reports! Still I have a few questions:

1. Is that true the girls there are generally older than KTV girls? KTV girls are most in their earlier 20's but more expensive for KTV girls, about 2500 for overnight vs. 1500-2000 overnight from Judy / Manhattan. Right?

2. We need to pay at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? I usually pay KTV girls in the morning before they leaving if for LT, or after action for ST.

3. More Chinese men or more Westerner men in Judy / Manhattan as the customers? These girl prefer Chinese or Westerner customers? Just curious.

4. Exact street address? Nanyang Road? I believe addresses were posted before. Sorry for asking again.

5. I guess the STD rate for Judy / Manhattan girls are similar to KTV girls or higher at Judy / Manhattan? Because KTV girls do not go out every night?

6. One drawback for Judy / Manhattan maybe the action starts after 11:00 PM, for KTV, I can bring back a girl earlier if you know the managers, correct? As I posted earlier, the KTV I went starting at 8:00 pm, I can pick a girl and leave right after I find a girl I like, and avoid renting a room at KTV, order drink, etc, since I know the manager.

I still would like to give it a try since so many good reports on them.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2201435]You're welcome.

Yes, I have gotten better prices and my standard negotiations has always been a target of 1000/2 pops. If I want the girl and can't get the price, I will pay more. I have only paid 1500 once when I was brand new to this 5 years ago and it was for an overnight. I negotiate the pops before I leave the bar. It scares some girls away but I'm not left wanting. If I don't want or can't do 2 pops, well they win. I have seen guys get 5-6's for 600-800 RMB. I have landed a solid 8 (that banged like a 9) for 800. I had already brought a girl to my room which was nearby. I went back to just have a beer as the night was young. This girl kept hitting on me as I was the only guy alone. I kept telling other girls no. She was desperate. It was her first time and night in shanghai. It was 1 am and had no one yet. I think she was trying to hard I told her I already had popped twice and didn't have it in me. Finally she said "what you pay?" I said 800, she said ok and off we went for a really good session. I tried to hook up again but it just didn't work out...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2211488]SamCan and others.

I have never tried these two places and would like to give them a try next weekend. Thank you for great reports! Still I have a few questions:

1. Is that true the girls there are generally older than KTV girls? KTV girls are most in their earlier 20's but more expensive for KTV girls, about 2500 for overnight vs. 1500-2000 overnight from Judy / Manhattan. Right?

2. We need to pay at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? I usually pay KTV girls in the morning before they leaving if for LT, or after action for ST.

3. More Chinese men or more Westerner men in Judy / Manhattan as the customers? These girl prefer Chinese or Westerner customers? Just curious.

4. Exact street address? Nanyang Road? I believe addresses were posted before. Sorry for asking again.

5. I guess the STD rate for Judy / Manhattan girls are similar to KTV girls or higher at Judy / Manhattan? Because KTV girls do not go out every night?

6. One drawback for Judy / Manhattan maybe the action starts after 11:00 PM, for KTV, I can bring back a girl earlier if you know the managers, correct? As I posted earlier, the KTV I went starting at 8:00 pm, I can pick a girl and leave right after I find a girl I like, and avoid renting a room at KTV, order drink, etc, since I know the manager.

I still would like to give it a try since so many good reports on them.

Thanks![/QUOTE]


I too will be in Judy's next weekend. Anyone wanting to buy SAMCAN a beer Saturday night, send me a PM. Otherwise, don't bother haha.

1. girls at judy's and Manhattans run from 20-40. I am guessing the average is 23-30 but its a guess.

2. I have never done KTV but your pricing is right for J / Ms.

3. The number of chinese customers at J / Ms has increased, The girls preference are guys with money not race.

4. Manhattan's and Judy's are behind the portman hotel (ritz carlton) located on Nanjing Lu. Take a cab there and walk a block around back. Or ask the taxi driver to take you to the blind pig restaurant / bar. Its right next door to manhattans / 2 blocks from judy's.

5. Never done an STD study, hope to never find out.

6. Judy's and Manhattans can open at 930 pm. Usually no one is in there but one or two girls you may not want. 1030 pm-1 am seems to be the prime time with the most choices. I have stayed to 230 on nights I really didn't care if I went home alone (it was after a long week of banging). Girls start to recycle by then from their first dates. It seemed like the girls were less willing to negotiate at that time. It's like they made their money on the first round and were holding back. I have heard that about 5 am prices drop way down. I have never cared to stay long enough to find out for 200-400 RMB.

I have answered your questions, you now owe us reports! that's how we all learn good experiences or bad. Share them and know none of us have had everything go perfectly. Anyone that asks me for help and doesn't provide a report is dead to me next time they ask. I learned the hard way here and I am sharing what i learned. I still got a long way to go

SAMCAN

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2211488]SamCan and others.

I have never tried these two places and would like to give them a try next weekend. Thank you for great reports! Still I have a few questions:

1. Is that true the girls there are generally older than KTV girls? KTV girls are most in their earlier 20's but more expensive for KTV girls, about 2500 for overnight vs. 1500-2000 overnight from Judy / Manhattan. Right?

2. We need to pay at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? I usually pay KTV girls in the morning before they leaving if for LT, or after action for ST.

3. More Chinese men or more Westerner men in Judy / Manhattan as the customers? These girl prefer Chinese or Westerner customers? Just curious.

4. Exact street address? Nanyang Road? I believe addresses were posted before. Sorry for asking again.

5. I guess the STD rate for Judy / Manhattan girls are similar to KTV girls or higher at Judy / Manhattan? Because KTV girls do not go out every night?

6. One drawback for Judy / Manhattan maybe the action starts after 11:00 PM, for KTV, I can bring back a girl earlier if you know the managers, correct? As I posted earlier, the KTV I went starting at 8:00 pm, I can pick a girl and leave right after I find a girl I like, and avoid renting a room at KTV, order drink, etc, since I know the manager.

I still would like to give it a try since so many good reports on them.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Of course as usual SamCan has solid info. I would echo the fact that there are plenty of early twenties type gals at Manhattan (I have no real Judy's experience). In fact two out of the last three I've taken fit that bill and my two mates took young ones as well. Plenty of young talent there.

As far as KTV nice if you can find it. I think you will need a Chinese insider to locate a westerner friendly KTV w takeout. I was not successful. But love Manhattan regardless. As SamCan says taxi driver may get confused. Going to Blind Pig is your best bet and a great pregame warmup.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2211628]As far as KTV nice if you can find it. I think you will need a Chinese insider to locate a westerner friendly KTV w takeout. I was not successful. But love Manhattan regardless. As SamCan says taxi driver may get confused. Going to Blind Pig is your best bet and a great pregame warmup.[/QUOTE]Show your walked and all KTVs will be westerner friendly haha, if you mean the language barrier, well, almost no girl speak English, but you can ask the staff and maybe there are some university students or foreigner girls (mainly Vietnam and east-Europe girls) that can speak English.

In front of Crowne Plaza Hotel, next to the dealership. 1822.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2208761]Could you be a bit more specific about the location? It sounds like a fairly standard MP service for China, so I don't think naming them will get them in any LE trouble. Also, lineups are not the done thing in MPs, but you are free to request a different girl if the one they assign you is not to your liking, and doing this more than once is also OK. Lineups are a Sauna thing (but not many of those left these days).[/QUOTE]

We need to pay the girl at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? Not after the actions (KTV style is after actions)?

I will try to be there on Friday (maybe Saturday too if feel good). How much is a beer? Just curious.

Thanks much, and may see you on Saturday (don't know how to use PM).

Will write a report if I indeed go.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2211598]I too will be in Judy's next weekend. Anyone wanting to buy SAMCAN a beer Saturday night, send me a PM. Otherwise, don't bother haha.

1. girls at judy's and Manhattans run from 20-40. I am guessing the average is 23-30 but its a guess.

2. I have never done KTV but your pricing is right for J / Ms.

3. The number of chinese customers at J / Ms has increased, The girls preference are guys with money not race.[/QUOTE]

This hotel (baolong, a two star hotel) is cheap and convenient (just across from M). If I book a room there, do you think I would have problem to bring a girl in midnight? Thanks for the comments!

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2209454]Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.

On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2211861]This hotel (baolong, a two star hotel) is cheap and convenient (just across from M). If I book a room there, do you think I would have problem to bring a girl in midnight? Thanks for the comments![/QUOTE]Girl will need to show passport at front desk and fill out a form (or have passport copied. Don't remember). But not a problem. Midnight not a problem either.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2211837]We need to pay the girl at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? Not after the actions (KTV style is after actions)?

I will try to be there on Friday (maybe Saturday too if feel good). How much is a beer? Just curious.

Thanks much, and may see you on Saturday (don't know how to use PM).

Will write a report if I indeed go.[/QUOTE]Beer is 40 or 50 RMB. Some girls ask for money up front, others after. It varies. If first time with the girl, more likely she'll ask up front. Seldom had them ask upfront for a repeat.

[QUOTE=Cwomd;2209856]I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?[/QUOTE]Stumbled upon an area seemingly intact still, randomly finding 5-6 BBS without looking for them so there could be more. Northwest from Jinshajiang / and Zhongshan (Jinshajiang station with lines 3/4/13), there's a cluster running from and Zhonghshan. Xingshan Rd. S Meiling. There also happen to be no small number of small massage shops which may or may not be in on it, but it should be hard to miss all the unmarked pink-lit storefronts.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2212288]Girl will need to show passport at front desk and fill out a form (or have passport copied. Don't remember). But not a problem. Midnight not a problem either.[/QUOTE]Thank you much for your reply!

How about payment for Judy & M girls, usually before they leave (after actions) or right after getting into the hotel room before the actions (payment first)?

Thank you again.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2212458]Thank you much for your reply!

How about payment for Judy & M girls, usually before they leave (after actions) or right after getting into the hotel room before the actions (payment first)?

Thank you again.[/QUOTE]Here you are repeatedly asking these questions. Some, which have been answered already. Please stop with the questions. Here are some answers to your questions so hopefully you can move on.

Since you love going BB but won't do the deed unless you see a STD report, forget Judy's or Manhattans.

Since you're even asking about prices of beer, forget Judy's or Manhattan.

Since you seem fixated on asking about paying beforehand or after, since each girl is different, forget J and M.

My advice, stick to girls you get from the mamasans.

Thanks to those who answered my earlier questions. As promised, here's my trip report.

Although I was in China for a week, most nights I was going to be out in the sticks for work and knew I wouldn't have any opportunities those days. I was only going to be in Shanghai on Tuesday and Saturday nights. Tuesday I was still with work colleagues, so my only real opportunity was going to be Saturday. I'd already decided I wouldn't be trying Spas / MPs or KTVs. I felt J and M were the safest / best options, with an outside chance of a hotel bar providing some opportunity.

As luck would have it, I freed up around 10 pm on Tuesday evening. I was staying in a hotel over by the Bund and thought I'd try the hotel bar. I was the only one there. I had a couple of beers and I was still the only one there. Even though I'd just flown in from western Europe earlier that day I was feeling no jetlag. So I decided it'd be a good idea to head over to J and M and do some recon ahead of my Saturday night excursion. In the end, I was glad I did.

My hotel on the Bund was 15 minute drive from J and M. It is here I ran into my first challenge. Given what people had said about taxi drivers fleecing anyone going to or from J and M, I decided to have the taxi driver take me to the Portman Rizt Carlton. That didn't seem to help though. The first two cabs that stopped said they wanted 100 RMB. I declined both. The third also insisted on 100 RMB. I knew this was too much, but I figured it was just $15, and at that point I just wanted to get over to J and M. So I agreed to the 100 RMB. The guy actually ran his meter and it was at 25 RMB when we got to the Portman. I paid the quadruple fare and started walking towards J and M. Well, at least I thought I was heading in the right direction. I'd read deep into this forum and thought I had the correct addresses. But I didn't. I won't bore you with the details, but FYI, M is on Nanyang Rd and J is on Tongren Rd right at the junction of Nanyang and Tongren.

I walked around for 20 minutes before I found M. And it was hot and humid. There was a couple of very nice looking African ladies standing out on the street a few yards down from the entrance to M, but given what I've read on this forum, and past experiences in Germany, I decided I'd be steering well clear of them, which is a pity, because they were both really hot. Anyway, I was in Asia and I wanted to hang with Asian ladies.

I've had A LOT of bar experience in my lifetime, but nothing could have prepared me for M. It was 11:15 pm on a Tuesday evening and it was very busy, with a ratio of 70:30 in my favour. It should have been a fantastic experience, but for a few reasons it wasn't. Firstly, there was nowhere to sit and no room to stand at the bar. Couple that with ladies constantly coming up to me, I just wasn't able to get comfortable. Knowing me, I just could not have talked to a girl and then decided to move on, it's just not in my nature. I'd have felt obliged if I'd spent even a minute with her. I really wanted to find a spot to stand and observe before making my own move, but that wasn't going to be possible in M. I managed to get over to the bar and order a drink, and got fleeced again. The barman took my 100 RMB for a (shit) Corona and disappeared, obviously determined not to give me any change. I could have kicked up a stink and insisted on it, but it just seemed like too much hassle. There was a guy at the bar who was observing my every move, and I think he did a good job suppressing his smirk as he enjoyed this rank amateur flail about the place.

80% of the girls were a 6 or less, though most of them I'd have had no problem shagging. But none were standing out for me. I don't get this kind of opportunity very often and I really wanted to make the most of it. There were a few 7's and maybe one 8. I ended up chugging my beer and getting out of there. I walked past the two African ladies who playfully attempted to get my attention and I went into The Blind Pig to lick my wounds. I drank a beer at the bar and decided I'd finish up my recon and check out J before heading back to my hotel. By the time I'd finished my beer at the Blind Pig however, I was four beers deep and decided if I found someone I liked at J then all bets were off, this recon mission would turn into some real action.

J was a whole different experience. Much roomier and less crowded. I walked the length of the bar and the girls smiled and seemed much prettier and far less aggressive. There was one in particular who really caught my eye but I just kept walking until I found a seat at the end of the bar. I ordered a drink (barman charged me 45 RMB and gave me change) and managed to get a few sips in and scope out the place before anyone approached me. And the one who approached me was the one who caught my eye when I walked down the bar initially. At this point I'd managed to scope out the entire place and she was definitely the one I was most interested in. I bought her a beer and we chatted for a while and I really liked her. She was a late 20's Vietnamese girl with a beautiful face and a drop-dead gorgeous slim body. A solid 8 in anyone's book, and something about her really clicked with me.

She knew I was a J rookie and she helped me through the whole process, playfully giggling at my mistakes. We left the bar and took a cab back to my hotel. At this point I knew it was going to be 100 RMB cab ride and just agreed to the first cab driver who came along and insisted on that price.

I was definitely apprehensive about the hotel. When I'd left there were multiple porters and guests in the lobby, and although we wouldn't need to walk past reception, we definitely could be seen from reception. As luck would have it, there were no porters around when I got back (around 12:15 am) and I never even glanced over at reception, just headed for the elevators. We weren't challenged by anyone and headed up to the room. One thing I really appreciated about her though, and probably most girls do this, after leaving J she threw on a light coverall / jacket over her very revealing dress, and changed into a pair of flat shoes. So she was way less conspicuous that she might have been when we entered the hotel.

I won't go into details here, but I had a fantastic time and she was just a fun, comfortable person to be around. We connectedd on WeChat and I told her I'd be back in Shanghai on Saturday evening and would like to see her again.

As I was traveling back to Shanghai on Saturday I was thinking I'd really like to see her again, but I was also thinking I'd like to experience the hunt in J again now that I had some experience. I decided that if she contacted me I'd arrange to see her, otherwise I'd just go down to J and check the place out again. As luck would have it, she messaged me around noon on Saturday and we arranged to meet in the lobby of my hotel that evening.

I was waiting for her out the front of my hotel (Paramount Gallery) at 9:30 pm when she cycled up on a bcycle, looking fantastic in blue jeans and a tight-fitting top. OMG, she was absolutely beautiful. We went out and had some food and drinks and a great chat. Then back to my hotel room for one of the most memorable nights of my life.

A few points to note.

I felt myself falling head over heels like I hadn't done since I was a teenager. I did however catch myself and decided I needed to nip it in the bud. I decided not to allow myself down that path. I took SamCan's advice and decided that such relationships cannot be pursued. Yes, it's highly unlikely that she looked at me as anything other than an ATM machine. But I'll just remember it as a beautiful time with a truly beautiful and fun lady. And yeah, if for nothing else, I think she was happy to spend the time with me that evening rather than run the gauntlet down at J's, not knowing what the night would hold in store for her.

As far as the hotel goes, Paramount Gallery has a reception on the 12th floor of a 21 story building. When you return at night you just take the elevator from the 1st floor to whatever floor you are staying on. So you don't need to go past reception. You do need to go by security on the 1st floor, but I think it's very unlikely these guys would challenge you. I've seen some people mention that they split up entering the hotel. For both of my hotels I decided to just enter with the girl as that felt more comfortable to me. I remember someone else mentioning that it'd be unlikely that they'd challenge a paying guest with a Vietnamese woman who could easily be his wife. That seemed to make more sense to me.

One other point to note. Although The Blind Pig is a good warm-up place, as others have mentioned, another interesting place to hit in that neighborhood is a bar / restaurant at the junction of Yuyuan Rd and Tongren Rd, just down from J's. I think it is called 'The Spot. ' It's a hopping place and seems to be a hangout for a lot of the Vietnamese girls either before they head over to J's or if they decide to take a break from J's during the night. I think you could easily score here, a much more relaxed environment, if you wanted to avoid the mayhem of J and M.

I'd like to say a special thanks to SamCan, who's advice on this forum I believe allowed me to really maximize my enjoyment. Outside of taxi costs I've deliberately not mentioned any other costs, for my own personal reasons. But I've nothing to add in that regard that SamCan hasn't already mentioned. His advice there is spot on.

I thoroughly recommend the Paramount Gallery. It's a really nice hotel for about 700 RMB / night. Way better than the hotel over at the Bund for the same price. My friend also mentioned that Swissotel was one of her favourite hotels in that neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Daldm;2211319]Hello,

I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.

So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.

Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Do you know if there is any speculation on wether things will get back to normal once the expo is over?

I have enjoyed my visits to MPs in the past and I am extremely sad to see that the places I have visited last year are all closed now.

Although I am a bourbon man, I enjoyed your report whiskey.

Not bad for a noob, haha.

Well Done!

Sam Can.

Hi all,

Hope you are all well.

Will be in Shanghai 10th Sept for a few days doing the furniture fair.

Usually I'm at M and J getting drunk and waking up to a beauty or a dog depending on how good or bad the beer Goggles serve me. LOL.

This time around I will be traveling with my business partner who is a goodie two shoes and I can't explain to him my hobbie. This is a shame. So I don't think I will able to sneak away.

I will have to order room service. I may hook up with a Nightlife lady, however if any of you have a great contact and are happy to share then please PM me, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Red.

Nice report Daldm.

Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?

If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.

PB.

[QUOTE=Daldm;2211319]Hello,

I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.

So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.

Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).[/QUOTE]

Thank you Whiskey for that great report. It's those long detailed reads that make ISG sing. And really good insights as well. I suppose it's true that M and J both have the same goal but a different vibe. You know I never noticed till now that I've never sat down in Manhattan! It is definitely packed and you are for sure the "most interesting man in the world" for a moment. But I could see how a Judy's could appeal in a very different way. Great news is we have both!

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2213008]Nice report Daldm.

Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?

If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.

PB.[/QUOTE]You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.

But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.

Great report Whiskey.

I always manage to get a seat in M. I usually find a Bar Steward, hand him a 100 note and ask him to find me a table. He will usually move girls occupying a table and let me have it.

Have fun guys.

Red.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2213138]

I always manage to get a seat in M. I usually find a Bar Steward, hand him a 100 note and ask him to find me a table. He will usually move girls occupying a table and let me have it.

Have fun guys.

Red.[/QUOTE]Oh! I like that! Thanks for the Tip.

Hey whiskey, you want to improve your trip report. Give a name to the girl (don't worry you aren't going to be able to keep her for yourself anyway) and give the price you paid. Or at least a range. I 'am real curious if you got the 1000 rmb 2 pop rule or something else. You said sam was right.

Many guys doubt me when I give this target. Many give me a lot of crap about it. If my numbers work for you, please weigh in. If you overpaid that is ok too. Frankly, I have not been there since early this year. With all the Saunas closing supply is less. I will be curious what I have to pay this time.

As my time is short this trip, I am actually more interested in different pops with different women than what I have to pay.

My first night last time, I had lilly 1000 for 2 pops, walked her back to manhattans from the portman after and bought her a drink. I left her and ran into the girl that took 800 for a great bang. (a few posts down you will see a copy of the original post).

I remember the bouncer laughing at me when he saw me heading out for a second round. He pointed and said "laowai, (foreigner). He was telling his buddy, there I go again.

For what it's worth, here's my take on cost.

I think what you pay depends on a number of different factors (and others have pointed most of this out before). Supply and demand is definitely a factor. And the night I was there (a Tuesday) there was a lot more supply than demand. But both places were very busy, so it wasn't like it was dead. Having said that, given the ratio of girls to guys (70:30), I've no doubt a lot of ladies went home without making a penny that night. Still, I'm sure they have their lower limits for what they'll go for (I. E. Most would prob prefer to go home alone and make nothing than taking just a few hundred rmb). But definitely it was a buyers market that particular night.

I'm also sure (again, as others have mentioned) that the overall make-up (looks and personality) of the potential client plays a role. If you're Brad Pitt they're going back with you for zero. If you're a maniacal looking serial-killer type, they're going to want a big payday to take that chance. Then there's everything in between. For most of us this probably isn't a huge factor, but I think it could easily make a few hundred rmb difference one way or the other (I. E. The slim, fit, good-looking guy with the easy-going personality is easily going to get a lower price than the overweight, sweaty guy with no personality). I know not everyone wants to hear that, but I think it's just the way it is.

Okay, on to my particular case. I'm no Brad Pitt, but I'm in decent shape and I think I have an easy-going personality and I can make a girl laugh and feel comfortable. I don't think this played much of a factor for my first night, but I think it was a big factor in the repeat on the Saturday night. I'll explain more later.

My goal was the SamCan 1 k 2 pop. The negotiation went really quickly. She started at 1500 and I started at 800. We quickly decided on 1000 for 2 pops. It was a very easy and amicable negotiation. But then I did something that will probably frustrate some of you, but for me I think it was a very inexpensive way to get a service level and overall experience that I wouldn't otherwise have received. A few minutes after we agreed the price, as we were leaving, I told her that I think she needs to improve her negotiating skills, that I would have paid 1200 easily because she is beautiful. Then we had a fun exchange and I told her I was going to pay her the 1200 anyway. Okay, I understand this sounds very corny, but it got a great laugh out of her and I believe it really helped strengthen whatever connection we had and played a big factor in me having two fantastic sessions with her. Yeah, you can say 'of course they're going to be / seem happier if you give them more,' but for me it was worth it. And yeah, you could argue that I could have just tipped afterwards if the service was good. My approach was different, some would say stupid. But I think it worked really well.

And, for the record, the service was off the charts that first night. It was very GFE. And I think my late maneuver paid huge dividends.

If you read my earlier post you'll know I also hooked up with the same girl on Saturday evening. The service was again off the charts. In fact that Saturday night was easily my best experience ever playing this game, and I've been doing it for a while. The interesting thing here is we never negotiated any price for Saturday evening. Money was never mentioned at all. Even when we were parting I just gave her what I thought was fair and she just put it in her purse without counting it. I gave her more that night because it was Saturday and I know that's their biggest night and I didn't want her to feel like she'd been stiffed. I think I could easily have given her 1200 again and she'd have been fine with it. The reason I say that is I'm sure for most of these girls they'd take a little less in exchange for knowing they're going to have a safe evening with someone they know and trust.

So I can definitely confirm SamCan's assertion that 1 k 2 pops are available, at least on a Tuesday night. I got the best looking girl in J to agree to to that price that night. I've no doubt there were a lot of girls in there that night who'd easily have gone for 800 or less. Obviously I can't say what the price might have been on a Saturday night, maybe it'd be hard to get an 8 for that price on a busy weekend, but I've no doubt you could get a very decent 6 or 7 for that price on a Saturday. And maybe you could get an 8 for that price if you've got decent game.

Overall I paid more than I needed to, but certainly not extravagantly so. I paid maybe 20% more than I might have. But I think I paid a very fair price for the experience I got. And I feel like the person I shared that time with also felt good about what she got, and that's important to me.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2213239]Oh! I like that! Thanks for the Tip.

Hey whiskey, you want to improve your trip report. Give a name to the girl (don't worry you aren't going to be able to keep her for yourself anyway) and give the price you paid. Or at least a range. I 'am real curious if you got the 1000 rmb 2 pop rule or something else. You said sam was right.

Many guys doubt me when I give this target. Many give me a lot of crap about it. If my numbers work for you, please weigh in. If you overpaid that is ok too. Frankly, I have not been there since early this year. With all the Saunas closing supply is less. I will be curious what I have to pay this time.

As my time is short this trip, I am actually more interested in different pops with different women than what I have to pay.

My first night last time, I had lilly 1000 for 2 pops, walked her back to manhattans from the portman after and bought her a drink. I left her and ran into the girl that took 800 for a great bang. (a few posts down you will see a copy of the original post).

I remember the bouncer laughing at me when he saw me heading out for a second round. He pointed and said "laowai, (foreigner). He was telling his buddy, there I go again.[/QUOTE]Samcan- I've generally been in your price range, with qualifier that I'm too old for 2 pops and the women skew aplder. Generally 1000. I'll go 1200 if I'm very impressed, but rare. Currently hearing complaints of not many customers from girls; was in J last Fri night at 3:30 (admittedly very late) and I was practically only guy left standing. So you should be able to do OK at your price target.

[QUOTE=Daldm;2213053]You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.

But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.[/QUOTE]I speak and write Chinese. Can you give me search strings. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

First, big thanks to Sam Can and Whiskey for sharing insights. I've visited Manhattan's several times (and reported here) and I've found it to be too loud, small to be able to find even a spot of floor to stand on, although with only one exception the selection has always been great.

So, I tried Judy's for a change and am glad I did. Followed the advise to take a Taxi (using DiDi app) to The Portman Ritz-Carlton and walked around the block. Three minutes tops to M, four to J's. Judy's is roomier with more seating options. Alas, none for me though while entering at 10:00. The place was packed. Favorable ratio of 70:30. Lots of 5-6 options available with some solid 8's mixed in, but all engaged with their marks. Was aggressively pursued by a 45-ish lady who's seen better days. With so many other younger and prettier creatures around, hard to be polite but I managed to get my 45 RMB Tiger draft beer, say cheers and walk on.

Again, really good selection. While I was looking around, one 20-ish Viet cutie came to me and chatted me up. Not my first choice on looks alone but good English, bubbly personality, great smile and the more we talked, and the more I checked out her tight little bod, the closer I got to making a deal.

She asked for 2 k for ST. (I guess I'm the fat guy with no personality. LOL) I countered with 1 k and we eventually settled for 1.5 k for 2 hrs /2 pops. (I suck at negotiating, especially with a pretty face and plumped up pert titties smiling up at me.).

So, another DiDi and 20 minutes later back to my hotel in Minhang. Session was great, started with shower together then went straight to it, totally unrushed and 7. 5/10 service. GFE, BBBJ, DATY and covered FS. Nice intermission with pleasant conversation and playful touching. Round 2 was more energetic. She's a trooper. Great sound effects, too. I bet my next-door neighbors thought so, too.

Anyway, she'll be in town till mid-September. PM me if you want her WeChat for a delivery service. (I got her permission to share with my friends) Nice and lovely girl, please be kind to her.

Thanks whiskey your data helps all. I'm in Shanghai. That's why I asked the girls name LOL. Can't PM you so I'm on my own hunt I guess.

Not busting you at all. I've dropped 200 rmb on a night on drinks for girls I didn't take home. Spend it the way you want but know your spending it. It's the guys that think they got a great deal at 2 k that worry me. If you know you can get her for less but you want to pay more that's up to you. Some one told me something a long time ago at M. If you get a girl tonight at 2 k they are all going to cost 2k every night till you leave. Like us they talk about this stuff. They also don’t want to be the paycheck.

I took one girl early in the night. She had 3 customers by night end. My regulars knew it and told me the next night. I did pay the least by the way. It was 1000/2. Everyone else had sloppy 3 rds and 4 ths. Haha.

If you go home feeling screwed but not that you got screwed you won! There was a girl I've paid 1200 for every time I see her. I wanted her 3 years ago and that set the rate. We've seen each other many times over the years. She's flown to sh when she's know I was coming. She's also the one that took me home for free one night if you remember that post.

Thanks whiskey. You did your part. Great reports. I'm calling you whiskeycan. From here on our.

I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.

Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2213469]I speak and write Chinese. Can you give me search strings. I'll give it a try. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Seems that I can't answear your question (didn't pass the forum moderator review phase), maybe I'll send you a PM once I subscribe to the forum (won't be that soon).

[QUOTE=SamCan;2213825]I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.

Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.[/QUOTE]Nice find Sam and thanks for sharing as usual. I wish I could be in Shanghai to meet up to buy you drinks but I don't go again until Oct. Have a great time and we all look forward to hear about your adventures. Damn I'm jealous. LOL.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2213825]I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms..[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot. Nice finding. I would like to try that MP. Do you have the exact address? Please.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2213825]I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.

Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.[/QUOTE]Welcome back to SH. I never considered takeout from MPs, but it seems like old hat to you. What do you do? Tell her to meet you at your hotel in X number of minutes or leave together? I am interested in the procedure that works best for you. My MO these days is get their wechat and arrange meetings on their day off. Never occurred to me that takeout is viable.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2214070]Welcome back to SH. I never considered takeout from MPs, but it seems like old hat to you. What do you do? Tell her to meet you at your hotel in X number of minutes or leave together? I am interested in the procedure that works best for you. My MO these days is get their wechat and arrange meetings on their day off. Never occured to me that takeout is viable.[/QUOTE]
This was a first (well second) for me. I really didn't expect the response but that's why you got to try!
She said she could leave if I said ok. I was trying to set something up for later but what the heck.
She walked 50yards behind me all the way to the hotel. It seemed to be her choice. I couldnt get her to understand hotel directions so she could call a cab. It was close enough to walk

She also made me wait out front of the store while she changed. I guess her boss didnt know.

By the way. During the massage ,She was very concerned about the HE. Although she started it without being asked. She stopped twice when she heard voices at the door and covered me up. Times we are in I guess

After my MP that turned into a hotel visit, I rested up and did the judys manhattans visits. Before I started I went to the blind pig for some awesome smoked BBQ. Trust me when I say I know Q. They do an amazing job and it's a great place to warm up. The cook there is from the USA.

I was completely lost with so many to choose. It's been a while and the more I looked the worse it got. Finally I found a 35 year old Viet that turned me on. Granted their were younger more beautiful girls but sometimes an aged wine is good. She was a definite 7. She, however banged like an 8. Showered. Together in bed she Licked me from head to tow BJ cowgirl, doggie, mish. All very good. she had committed to 2 pops and delivered. Brought me up in less than an hour for a second go. Definitely repeatable at 1200.

Went back to the bar after. Looked for allforbb. Who PM.d me. But we missed each other. Took down 2 girls names for later. Promised to call For an afternoon visit. Called one callled "H". She came to the hotel and I was a little disappointed She was much better in the j lighting than now. Still do able

She came to the room. Tiny spinner first time in sh. She had been there 3 days and I was her first customer. When I heard that I knew it wasn't going to be good. You'the think getting them fresh would be good. Not my experience now 3 timws.

We showered hit the bed. CBJ multiple positions. She complained on the penetration as she was tiny. We changed again.

She cuddled and stuff after but I couldn't get a 2 round. I forot to negotiate that last night. She jumped on her phone as she has a business in Vietnam. That did it and I threw her out around 4. Would not repeat.

Original plan had been to bring over Annie for a performance test after H. It wasnt happing as I was done. Went over to 250 yuyuan lu. An MP favorite. I knew my fave was back in the home city. The girl I met was from Sichuan. Great hard massage roaming all in she asked for a tip at points as I pushed the envelope not far enough for what I tipped but still happy overall. I offered her rmb to come to my room. I jokingly got to 2K for an hour. She was still saying no. She. Wasnt worth 2 k. I just wanted to. Know If shed take it. Anyway. After 4 pops In 36 hours junior wasnt cooperating. She had to work extra hard to get me finished. I tipped accordingly 5 pops in my first 30hours in Shanghai. Good to be back.

I will be in Shanghai next month. And after 8 years not checking on my ISG. Its surprise me after reading a couple of reports. Everything seems had changed a lot. As I understand, now its hard to find a great sauna like Shanghai hotel. Back then, a lot of sauna option and girls to find. But now. Anyone could give a little information about great sauna in shanghai nowadays? And how about the price? Experiencing on Manhattan or jjs are a good option too. But if the price around 1500 rmb, for western traveller is a good deal. But for me, its quite expensive because we are in China. Hahahhahah. There were a lot of option to find pretty girl or it still? Well. If there any information about shanghai and sauna. Let me know. Thank you.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2214258]After my MP that turned into a hotel visit, I rested up and did the judys manhattans visits. Before I started I went to the blind pig for some awesome smoked BBQ. Trust me when I say I know Q. They do an amazing job and it's a great place to warm up. The cook there is from the USA.

I was completely lost with so many to choose. It's been a while and the more I looked the worse it got. Finally I found a 35 year old Viet that turned me on. Granted their were younger more beautiful girls but sometimes an aged wine is good. She was a definite 7. She, however banged like an 8. Showered. Together in bed she Licked me from head to tow BJ cowgirl, doggie, mish. All very good. she had committed to 2 pops and delivered. Brought me up in less than an hour for a second go. Definitely repeatable at 1200.

Went back to the bar after. Looked for allforbb. Who PM.d me. But we missed each other. Took down 2 girls names for later. Promised to call For an afternoon visit. Called one callled "H". She came to the hotel and I was a little disappointed She was much better in the j lighting than now. Still do able

She came to the room. Tiny spinner first time in sh. She had been there 3 days and I was her first customer. When I heard that I knew it wasn't going to be good. You'the think getting them fresh would be good. Not my experience now 3 timws..[/QUOTE]I'm quite impressed at your stamina. You must have brought the first girl back to your hotel somewhat early (before midnight) and you still had time to go back for round two. Ding ding. I haven't been so daring but now. Game on (LOL). I tend to agree with your thoughts about the mature ladies are more fun. The good looking ones just want to be to mechanical and get out to find the next fisherman so the experience is "blah". So is that flower lady still outside the clubs badgering you to buy a flower or rain coats. It's so annoying. Stay safe and enjoy. Until next time.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2214774]I'm quite impressed at your stamina. You must have brought the first girl back to your hotel somewhat early (before midnight) and you still had time to go back for round two. Ding ding. I haven't been so daring but now. Game on (LOL). I tend to agree with your thoughts about the mature ladies are more fun. The good looking ones just want to be to mechanical and get out to find the next fisherman so the experience is "blah". So is that flower lady still outside the clubs badgering you to buy a flower or rain coats. It's so annoying. Stay safe and enjoy. Until next time.[/QUOTE]

MP adventure that went to my hotel was 6 pm. 35 YO. Viet midnight. I got the phone number that night fo H but she Was the next day at 330 and a yuyuaan lu MP visit around 10. Spaced out more than I may have spelled out.

Yes flower lady was there. There was also a 45 -48 year old short chubby woman outside that followed me saying "ass fuck 200 rmb, very good!" If that's anyone's cup of tea. LOL. Definitely not mine! I kept telling her go away and she wouldn't leave. Sheesh!

5 pops in 30 hours OMG! Saw you are "the Man," good job! I live vicariously thru you, share more, LOL.

Well Monday was a busy day at work and I'm off in pudong far away. By time I finished it was too late to call one of my regulars from Shanghai. I went down the street to see if that spa was there where I scored that beautiful 19 YO Sichuan girl last trip. I paid her 1000 to bang her on the table on top of an insane bath and massage fee. Her tight pussy was absolutely worth every penny of it. Unfortunately the place is empty. Chinese signs up in the window. Nothing but a memory.

Went to sha nana massage. They offered me an oil massage for 399 regular room or 439 for VIP room. I said YOLO and asked for the vip room. The desk girl physically stiffened and kept telling me it was a vip room. I said ok. Finally she told me alll were taken. I'the have to wait 20 minutes. I took a regular room for 399. I was escorted to my regular room with my massage girl tightly holding my arm. It all made me wonder if something fishy is going on In the vip rooms. The massage was good. I tried to speak to her but The girl had an attitude and didn't warm up till the flip. She then proceeded to offer a HJ for 500rmb. I laughed and I told her In Chinese for 500 I'the do it myself she kept watching the time knowing she had to make something happen. . I told her I was old and I didn't care if she did it or didn't do it. Price ended up at 200 and she finished me.

Tonight I contacted a regular. It was her last night in Shanghai. We rehearsed old times and I paid the regular fare. 30 something old viet names lily who always makes me smile. I handed her the money. She didn't count it.

I am staying at the Hilton Garden Inn Shanghai Hongqiao anyone know of something walking distance for a massage with a happy ending?

Thanks in advance.

Ask the bellman. There used to be a top massage parlor right next door to the hotel. It was called Hong Song. It went through a remodeling and opened with a different name.

I haven't been back since the crackdown to see if they are still in operation.

Red Rider.

I used to think it meant larger than see, but then I realized that a C+ is almost a be- so maybe a C+ cup is smaller than a see cup. I see some girls advertised as a C+.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2215262]Ask the bellman. There used to be a top massage parlor right next door to the hotel. It was called Hong Song. It went through a remodeling and opened with a different name.

I haven't been back since the crackdown to see if they are still in operation.

Red Rider.[/QUOTE]Hong Song was a sauna not a MP.
And the Hilton Garden Inn Shanghai Hongqiao is like 15 km from there so not really walking distance. You must be confusing with the normal Hilton :)

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2215462]Hong Song was a sauna not a MP.
And the Hilton Garden Inn Shanghai Hongqiao is like 15 km from there so not really walking distance. You must be confusing with the normal Hilton :)[/QUOTE]Or he's just confused on the terms sauna vs MP.

Well it's pretty bleak where Iam in pudong. There are few massage places left and 500 is the minimum HJ tip. I actually had a girl hold out for 700 and I walked out and she got nothing.

Anyway. For 500 plus 450 to the MP house, I'm better off calling from my list. Sun came over especially to see me from Vietnam when I told her I was coming. She updated her visa and booked a flight to Shanghai.

She's very thin but nice curves with a set of implants and overall pretty hot. I really don't care for silicone, but somehow I am ok with sun doing it. She's the girl I met in January and it was her first time. It was her second day and she was nervous she'd never get a customer. I'd gone back to the bar after 2 pops with another girl earlier. I was with no expectation of a 3rd pop. Sun was desperate offered me the job for 800 I took it. She calls today to tell me she's in Sh. She comes to my hotel.

She's an 8 but damn she bangs like a 9. She starts Erotic dancing and rubbing in front of the bathroom mirrors DFK, DATY, BJ rides me in cowgirl like a rodeo. I thought she was going to break it. On to mish, doggie mish. Done. Looking at her beautiful butt in doggie was too much. We talked and she got me going in a second round but I just couldn't keep going. It's been a long week. I'll be shooting dust by Saturday.

She agreed to 1100 plus 200 taxi. The distance is that far. After she drove out she was spooked on finding a taxi back. (I agree).

I think anyone could get her without the long commute for 1000 or maybe 1100

I threw her 200 more making her the highest I've ever paid for ST. Hey she flew over for me and I'm so glad she did. As I said whiskey, pay what you want but know what your doing.

She's a little thin for some but I do have digits and will share with senior members that post more than questions begging for others hard work. I do check.

Samcan.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2215470]Well it's pretty bleak where Iam in pudong. There are few massage places left and 500 is the minimum HJ tip. I actually had a girl hold out for 700 and I walked out and she got nothing.

Anyway. For 500 plus 450 to the MP house,.[/QUOTE]These are outrageous tip requests, but it is probably because you are a laowai, and you probably already know this is why. I used to get these requests too, because I am also a laowai. So then I started telling them that I live and work in Shanghai and that I'd like to know their work ID numbers and get their wechat contacts. So then they think we made a real connection and I am a likely repeat customer. It works. Every week I get wechat messages from them asking me to come and they treat me very very well for a 200 tip. Just some friendly advice for other visitors. I know that Sam already knows what he's doing. BTW, Sam, I am tempted to ask for Sun's contact, because I have happily banged your leftovers before, but my MO these days is to ask them to book the ST hotels but Viets don't or can't do this. Well, that said, your gal Lily did say I could meet her at her room, but on that day I met up with an indie at her place instead. Glad you are having a great time.

Haven't checked in for a few days, and in my absence SamCan has serviced half of Shanghai. Rumor on the street there says Viagra was developed from SamCan's stem cells.

SamCan, I like that you tipped extra to someone who flew in especially to see you. Nice gesture!

I've unfortunately no salacious stories to share. Back in the homeland plotting the next trip. Wondering if I could swing a job change that would get me out to SE Asia once a quarter. Just a dream for now.

I read "The Quiet American" on my plane ride home. Reminded me that Viet girls think very differently to European and US girls.

Info for you guys just passing thru. All the saunas have been closed for almost a year now. No need to dream about finding your fav sauna of the past. Most HJ places are also permanently closed, although there are a small number still open like Spring. KTVs have become outrageous expensive. M and J are in operation, and you get older milfs for 1500 or less. But the hot young ones are mostly interested in local Chinese customers and will not go for less than 3000 LT.

Better to go to Thailand or even HK.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2215733]Info for you guys just passing thru. All the saunas have been closed for almost a year now. No need to dream about finding your fav sauna of the past. Most HJ places are also permanently closed, although there are a small number still open like Spring. KTVs have become outrageous expensive. M and J are in operation, and you get older milfs for 1500 or less. But the hot young ones are mostly interested in local Chinese customers and will not go for less than 3000 LT.

Better to go to Thailand or even HK.[/QUOTE]I don't do saunas but have you been reading my posts? I've walked into 3 MPs and I'm 3 for 3 200 rmb tip got me roaming HJ.

I even got takeout from one right to my room. Skipped any tip at the MP. Granted Shanghai is not the Shanghai of a couple years ago but I've popped 8 times in the 5 days I’ve been here . , not really a desert.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2215641]These are outrageous tip requests, but it is probably because you are a laowai, and you probably already know this is why. I used to get these requests too, because I am also a laowai. So then I started telling them that I live and work in Shanghai and that I'd like to know their work ID numbers and get their wechat contacts. So then they think we made a real connection and I am a likely repeat customer. It works. Every week I get wechat messages from them asking me to come and they treat me very very well for a 200 tip. Just some friendly advice for other visitors. I know that Sam already knows what he's doing. BTW, Sam, I am tempted to ask for Sun's contact, because I have happily banged your leftovers before, but my MO these days is to ask them to book the ST hotels but Viets don't or can't do this. Well, that said, your gal Lily did say I could meet her at her room, but on that day I met up with an indie at her place instead. Glad you are having a great time.[/QUOTE]I'm in the middle of a heavy expat area which I think has caused the inflation. Anyway in a recent post I did. Beat a girl back to 300 still not worth it when including the massage for something I could DIY 😂.

I tell you what. If I. Could only alternate between Sun and Tina for the rest of my life I’d die a happy man

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2215733]Info for you guys just passing thru. All the saunas have been closed for almost a year now. No need to dream about finding your fav sauna of the past. Most HJ places are also permanently closed, although there are a small number still open like Spring. KTVs have become outrageous expensive. M and J are in operation, and you get older milfs for 1500 or less. But the hot young ones are mostly interested in local Chinese customers and will not go for less than 3000 LT.

Better to go to Thailand or even HK.[/QUOTE]While places go low profile there are still plenty of options.

I know of two old saunas still opened (though prices have sky rocket starting at 1400 RMB) and there must be many more.

Just the past week I scooted 6 MPs with various level of price and service, I have 3 other regular MPs I go to but one will soon have to close for reasons not related to the current shanghai context. I know of 4 other active MPs I don't like to go to and 2 not bad but barely go to then you have the chains like Spring and such.

So while Shanghai options have lowered and prices gone higher its not true to say Shanghai is no more.

So I was late tonight getting back to the jinqiao area. Couldn't call in a fave without being up till midnight and I have to work early. Walked away from the Marriott east and across the street. Passed by sha nana massage which I did he other night. And I walked around the corner. Massage 358 oil 80 minutes. I know I'm going to have to tip in this area if I want anything. I walk in and up to the room and there is a big glass door. I'm about ready to leave and this hot 26 YO from dong bei walks in. She's 5"9' or taller beautiful face doe like eyes. Thin body nice butt and overall just hot. Large A cups but what do you expect for China? She shows me the door goes. To a mirror when the room light is off. I stay. I consider her a solid 8

She gives a great massage and I'm getting turned on as she massages my back and low areas of my butt. She breakes the privat barrier just enough that I can't tell if this place is legit and she's over extending or. I'm in for a treat. I am getting so turned on cause it's naughty and I don't know where it's going.

On the flip she offers HJ for 500 rmb tip. I say no. She offers a BBBJ for 1000 rmb. I tell her too much. We debated sex in my nearby hotel. She's in for that for 2 K. I choke. She's willing to bang me on the massage table for 1500 she's hot and if I had brought that much as well as a condom. I'the be telling you a different story. She's fun she's playful and she's not coming off 500 for HJ with full roaming. I'm debating this with my dick in her hand. I let the silence get awkward and she’s not moving. . I am 2 nights from leaving China. I can say no stand my ground and go back to the hotel or I can basically have a hot chinese 26 YO for what I've paid for a happy ending in the USA from a chubby 45 YO chinese masseuse.

Little head won. I kissed and held those little titties and rubbed her pussy while she gave me a HJ and continued to try to up sell me to a BBBJ. After I pop she's still playful, she lays on me. Hugs me. Etc,

HER NAME IS FEE FEE. If I was here another night I'd try to get her to my hotel for 1500 without regret. I am now 4 for 4 stumbling into MPs. 3 at 200 tip , one at 500 at a weak moment

There’s still plenty out here and I’m not even trying to find them.

Sam. Our mutual friend is back at work.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2215907]Sam. Our mutual friend is back at work.[/QUOTE]I'm on it! And hopefully her!

Sam.

Check your PM.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2215470] Sun came over especially to see me from Vietnam when I told her I was coming. She updated her visa and booked a flight to Shanghai......................... She calls today to tell me she's in Sh.[/QUOTE]WOW. Clearly a busy girl backwards and forwards to Vietnam seems on almost a daily basis.

I msgd Sun yesterday and said I will be in SH on Tue 28 - she msgd me this morn and said GREAT as she will fly from VN on Monday and JUST CANNOT WAIT to see me.

Busy girl huh? Surely these little Angels would not tell those mug 'round eye' punters a fib or 2 would they?

Anyways I don't really want her but I seriously want one of her friends.

Edit: Damn the gorgeous friend is now working Brix in SIN.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2216062]WOW. Clearly a busy girl backwards and forwards to Vietnam seems on almost a daily basis.

I msgd Sun yesterday and said I will be in SH on Tue 28 - she msgd me this morn and said GREAT as she will fly from VN on Monday and JUST CANNOT WAIT to see me.

Busy girl huh? Surely these little Angels would not tell those mug 'round eye' punters a fib or 2 would they?

Anyways I don't really want her but I seriously want one of her friends.

Edit: Damn the gorgeous friend is now working Brix in SIN.[/QUOTE]Sure we talking about the same sun. ? I'll pm you her last 4 digits. I don't think she fibbed to me. She missed 4 paydays with me if she fibbed to me. I was here Saturday and her flight didn't land until Wednesday. I would have banged her twice by now if she'the been in town.

I don't care if they are fibbing. As long as she continues to bang like she does.

Hi guys,

I've been following your reports already for some time and habe to thank you for the valuable insights.

Really good to hear that there seems to be still some action. Even though it takes some more effort and caution.

I lived in Shanghai some years ago and was not yet fully in our hobby. So therefore interested to check how the situation is nowadays. I will keep you posted regarding the experiences in the next days.

Cheers,

Frank.

Went to judys my last night. Tried to hook up with another fave but it wasn't happening. Manhattans was slow. Girls looked older and I'm renaming it silicone valley. It's fine if you like that. It's just not my first choice. On to judys. It's hopping and I get flanked by a bunch and walk away cause I just want to take it in before I decide. Next thing I know sun spots me and hangs on to me. After a bit I stop fighting it cause I know it's going to be good. 1000 rmb? Ok sun? Sure let's go. Back at the Portman she pushes me on the bed we talk cuddle. She's in no rush. We get in the shower together. The room has a mirror on the other wall away from the glass shower. She hams it up backs into me and we're rubbing against each other and watching in the mirror. She asks if we want sex in front of the large mirror. Do I? Heck yea. . She's on her knees doing a BJ and I can see her from the wall mirror and the sink mirror. Let me just say the BJ is damn good and she's creative.

I try to bang her on the tub, too awkward. She jumps up on the sink. And we go at it. Not quite right. I pick her up easily walk to the bedroom and toss her on the bed. BBBJ DFK mish doggie cowgirl and back to mish rocking like a porn movie. I hope the neighbors weren't bothered. I pop and I'm down for the count catching my breath. She stays, talks and cuddles till I tell her it's ok. Damn well worth every penny.

She's 5'7" ish. Thin. Small but fake boobs (I know I said it's not my; first choice but with Sun it's ok) and never had kids keeping that snatch in good condition. Wow I Could do this more often.

As I'ved said I consider her an 8 but bangs like a 9.

A good choice for a last night in Shanghai.

Excellent report!

Thanks for your superb status and making me really looking forward now even more.

I normally like my girls a bit smaller and tinier but I will look out for this girl too.

Have a safe travel.

Hey guys,

Going to be back in SH for a day before heading home. I've lurked for a while but haven't kept up recently. I've used SNG in the past but it looks like things have take a turn for the worse. Going back a couple pages it seems like M and J, and NLO are the only realistic options for someone short on time?

I am particularly interested in saunas since I haven't had a chance to visit before the crackdown, but it looks like the current situation, price hikes, and risk involved makes them not very worthwhile, not considering the work I'd have to go through to find contacts from WC.

So having banged most all over the world and recently in Brazil, I suggest you skip trolling around the closed shops and save up for a ticket to Brazil! OMG it is beyond compare. You will be banging GFE models for $100. I am not joking. I did ten girls in 7 days. And all 8's and above save one 7. And three were 9. 5's no lie. Far and away best place I've ever been.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2216414]So having banged most all over the world and recently in Brazil, I suggest you skip trolling around the closed shops and save up for a ticket to Brazil! OMG it is beyond compare. You will be banging GFE models for $100. I am not joking. I did ten girls in 7 days. And all 8's and above save one 7. And three were 9. 5's no lie. Far and away best place I've ever been.[/QUOTE]Never thought about Brazil. I guess I need to expand my horizons. Did you ever feel in danger at nights?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2216414]So having banged most all over the world and recently in Brazil, I suggest you skip trolling around the closed shops and save up for a ticket to Brazil! OMG it is beyond compare. You will be banging GFE models for $100. I am not joking. I did ten girls in 7 days. And all 8's and above save one 7. And three were 9. 5's no lie. Far and away best place I've ever been.[/QUOTE]Ok but you are on the Shanghai board and last time I checked Shanghai to Sao Paulo takes 25 to 30 hours flight with connection (no direct flights).

So I don't see myself travelling for 50 to 60 hours each time I want to monger. Not to mention that if I was ready to spend 50 to 60 hours on the plane, I would only do so in business class and since a ticket is like 30 000 RMB to 40 000 RMB, you can get quite a few models even of foreign nationality for that price. Even if you are inept at finding options in Shanghai and the whole of China, you can travel to Macau or HK for a lot less and get several models of all kind of nationality for much less too.

So its great you had a nice time in Brazil but you should report it on the Brazil board :)

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2216445]Never thought about Brazil. I guess I need to expand my horizons. Did you ever feel in danger at nights?[/QUOTE]First sorry Sinafaguo and others for crashing the board. I am still on cloud nine and want to help my forum buddies.

In answer to the safety thing, not really. Rio I hear is bad and I am sure São Paulo has its places. But if you are in a crowded area it is fine. This place never sleeps. Last Saturday night when my girl and me headed to the love hotel from Casarão at 430 AM the streets were still packed with partygoers.

In retrospect I did engage in risky behavior, but that is on my drunk self. My last girl drove me to the love hotel. Probably unwise in Brasil and she'd been drinking and she was holding my hand the whole time she drove. A triple crown of risky behavior. Damn alcohol and thank you God for preserving my sorry ass!

I laid down 10 reports in the Sao Paulo forum starting last Saturday if you want deets.

Seems like a lot of tourists are coming to Shanghai before the summer ends. And some are looking for some naughty fun. If you are new to China, then please read RickMont's very recent report in China's General Info thread. He got ripped off by a tout. And his experience was scary. Reminder: Don't follow touts! They are everywhere, especially in areas where tourists congregate. I hate to admit it, but I've been scammed twice by touts in China. But it doesn't mean you can't have some safe naughty fun. I've banged 200-300 WGs in China. Most were good experiences.

I haven't logged onto this site in years and forgot the password and email I used for my old username Robhay. So its been awhile and even longer since I lived in Shanghai right next door to the great Babyface nightclub which was the best freebie spot (Guandi honorable mention) in SH and next door to Hong Kong KTV (I think that was the name) which had by far the hottest girls in town.

As I understand all the great KTVs are gone. What club does one go for the hot local girls these day? Coming back next weekend.

[QUOTE=RobHaynie;2216922]....... What club does one go for the hot local girls these day? Coming back next weekend.[/QUOTE]I haven't been in two years but I had good luck at Manhattan. I arrive in a week and plan on visiting Manhattan and Judy's since I am staying nearby. These aren't KTVs and the girls aren't local (Vietnamese) but plenty of info on them in prior pages. Six years ago I did pick up a local Chinese girl at Manhattan.

Sam,

By all indications an excellent adventure this week in Shanghai. Thanks for the posts and safe travels.

I just arrived for a week and will be at J tonight.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2216241]Went to judys my last night. Tried to hook up with another fave but it wasn't happening. Manhattans was slow. Girls looked older and I'm renaming it silicone valley. It's fine if you like that. It's just not my first choice. On to judys. It's hopping and I get flanked by a bunch and walk away cause I just want to take it in before I decide. Next thing I know sun spots me and hangs on to me. After a bit I stop fighting it cause I know it's going to be good. 1000 rmb? Ok sun? Sure let's go. Back at the Portman she pushes me on the bed we talk cuddle. She's in no rush. We get in the shower together. The room has a mirror on the other wall away from the glass shower. She hams it up backs into me and we're rubbing against each other and watching in the mirror. She asks if we want sex in front of the large mirror. Do I? Heck yea. . She's on her knees doing a BJ and I can see her from the wall mirror and the sink mirror. Let me just say the BJ is damn good and she's creative..[/QUOTE]

Someday our paths will cross. Good luck!

Pm me if you want suns digits. Meet her at the bar and make your own choice. She was my best fun all week.

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2217570]Someday our paths will cross. Good luck!
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Pm me if you want suns digits. Meet her at the bar and make your own choice. She was my best fun all week.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Hi Sam,

'm new in Shanghai and I'd like to contact Sun from VN for some spicy moments. I'll PM you!

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Went to Judy's early last night. 9:30. Working this week and prefer to not be out too late. I expected the place to be dead, early and on a Monday. I was pleasantly surprised to see excellent talent on display, a better selection than I have seen on recent visits midnight or later. Most certainly they were hoping to pull an early ST and be back. And fewer customers. Ratio very good. Can't comment on pricing, as I went with a regular. But previous experience has been pricing more reasonable Mondays and Tuesdays.

Dear First time visit to Guangzhou Canton visits in Oct. Any good place with incall or hotel with girls and massage full service incl f.

Thanks dude.

On the forum after such a long time to recover the password.

[QUOTE=RobHaynie;2216922]I haven't logged onto this site in years and forgot the password and email I used for my old username Robhay. So its been awhile and even longer since I lived in Shanghai right next door to the great Babyface nightclub which was the best freebie spot (Guandi honorable mention) in SH and next door to Hong Kong KTV (I think that was the name) which had by far the hottest girls in town.

As I understand all the great KTVs are gone. What club does one go for the hot local girls these day? Coming back next weekend.[/QUOTE]I believe you mean Rob Hay with a space in between and if you're looking for clubs to meet freebies you are better off with [URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/listings/nightlife/clubs/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ArmyChief;2217676]Dear First time visit to Guangzhou Canton visits in Oct. Any good place with incall or hotel with girls and massage full service incl f.

On the forum after such a long time to recover the password.[/QUOTE]If you are indeed a long time poster on this board, besides loosing your pw it seems you lost the undestanding that you are asking a Guangzhou question on the Shanghai board.

Read the correct board and look yourself for the answer to your question like most people do. People already give their time to writte reports, the point is to read them.

[QUOTE=StudNtnuNo;2217641]Hi Sam,

'm new in Shanghai and I'd like to contact Sun from VN for some spicy moments. I'll PM you!

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G[/blue][/QUOTE]If you get a subscription. Start posting your exploits and read the forum. I don't share digits with anyone that hasn't contributed. Sorry. It's just my way. There is info here if someone needs it to get going. I just believe in givers and takers. Not just takers.

Sam.

Foot massage place on Hami Lu. Choose the 60-minute oil massage option, 260 CNY. Decent massage, better than anything I've recently got at Spring, he included. Not a fancy place, but clean and rooms have showers.

[QUOTE=Aurangzeb;2218055]Foot massage place on Hami Lu. Choose the 60-minute oil massage option, 260 CNY. Decent massage, better than anything I've recently got at Spring, he included. Not a fancy place, but clean and rooms have showers.[/QUOTE]Hami Lu appears to be about 2. 5 kilometers long. Can you provide more complete location info please?

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2218167]Hami Lu appears to be about 2. 5 kilometers long. Can you provide more complete location info please?[/QUOTE]My bad, yes, of course. When you're walking towards Xinyu Lu from Quankou Lu, it's on your right. A couple of doors further down there is a massage place with a bi-lingual sign. If you reach that, back up a bit. The place I went to has no english sign, but you can recognize it by the foot massage images in the window.

A lot of people on here seem to think that if you pick the most expensive menu item at ANY Spring Spa (sometimes known as Yu Spa), then you will get some naughty adventure. This is not true. I recently visited the one on Xietu Road, and the one on Shuicheng Road, picked the 336 rmb option both times, and got a legit massage both times. In fact, some have reported that the one on Madang is also legit. The first time I went there, the receptionist took me aside and told me there is no happy massage, but when I turned to leave, she stopped me and said it was available. At other Springs that I have visited so far, naughty fun can be had. BTW, if I am wrong, then please correct me. This is a YMMV game, so maybe I just got unlucky.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2218421]A lot of people on here seem to think that if you pick the most expensive menu item at ANY Spring Spa (sometimes known as Yu Spa), then you will get some naughty adventure. This is not true. I recently visited the one on Xietu Road, and the one on Shuicheng Road, picked the 336 rmb option both times, and got a legit massage both times. In fact, some have reported that the one on Madang is also legit. The first time I went there, the receptionist took me aside and told me there is no happy massage, but when I turned to leave, she stopped me and said it was available. At other Springs that I have visited so far, naughty fun can be had. BTW, if I am wrong, then please correct me. This is a YMMV game, so maybe I just got unlucky.[/QUOTE]I've never been turned down for a happy massage at any Spring so far, but you have to check that they are actually a real Spring massage. Many re-branded into fully-legit spa the last couple of years. Then you just ask for 368 RMB service (it is usually off menu) - they will correct you if their local shop charges a little more or less (between 330 and 398). And bear in mind MP shops are being especially cautious recently due to increased LE monitoring. One of my regular places is closed with taped-up doors.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2218421]A lot of people on here seem to think that if you pick the most expensive menu item at ANY Spring Spa (sometimes known as Yu Spa), then you will get some naughty adventure. This is not true. I recently visited the one on Xietu Road, and the one on Shuicheng Road, picked the 336 rmb option both times, and got a legit massage both times. In fact, some have reported that the one on Madang is also legit. The first time I went there, the receptionist took me aside and told me there is no happy massage, but when I turned to leave, she stopped me and said it was available. At other Springs that I have visited so far, naughty fun can be had. BTW, if I am wrong, then please correct me. This is a YMMV game, so maybe I just got unlucky.[/QUOTE]Correction: I actually paid 488 at the one on Shuicheng Road for a crappy 60 minute legit massage.

Sinofaguo, I sent you a couple of PMs. Can you check your Inbox when you have a moment?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2218421]A lot of people on here seem to think that if you pick the most expensive menu item at ANY Spring Spa (sometimes known as Yu Spa), then you will get some naughty adventure. This is not true. I recently visited the one on Xietu Road, and the one on Shuicheng Road, picked the 336 rmb option both times, and got a legit massage both times. In fact, some have reported that the one on Madang is also legit. The first time I went there, the receptionist took me aside and told me there is no happy massage, but when I turned to leave, she stopped me and said it was available. At other Springs that I have visited so far, naughty fun can be had. BTW, if I am wrong, then please correct me. This is a YMMV game, so maybe I just got unlucky.[/QUOTE]I've had a blowjob here. Don't recall what I paid the house, but I tipped 300.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2214816]There was also a 45 -48 year old short chubby woman outside that followed me saying "ass fuck 200 rmb, very good!" If that's anyone's cup of tea. LOL. Definitely not mine! I kept telling her go away and she wouldn't leave. Sheesh![/QUOTE]Wooooah. That brings back memories of the old Tongren Lu, with a mate visiting from Europe when we entered no-panties girl put his hand on her pussy ("welcome to Manhattan") and when we rolled into a taxi a few hours later the "ass fuck 200 rmb, very good" was our send-off for the night. He's been repeating that phrase ever since, whenever we're drunk together (not enough, but plenty times).

Would it still be the same lady?

BTW the night included a quick between drinks blowjob on the fire escape stairway outside the back of old Manhattan. Ah those were the days!

Aurunzeb and RobSH, thanks for the intel.

Aurunzeb, what was the number of the provider at Xietu Lu that gave you a BJ?

Sinofaguo, your Inbox is full. I got your PMs, but I couldn't reply to them. But no need to empty your Inbox for me, my replies were just useless humorous responses to your kind PM replies to me.

Hey guys,

Just a quick post regarding my latest trip to SH.

I am very familiar with the city and speak decent Chinese.

I used to be a sauna lover but since the crackdown I gave up the idea.

I do have some contacts on wechat and saunas are still active in every district of the city though operating in the dark.

I just think it's not worth spending 2000 Y + for banging a hottie.

That left me with few options and M&J were not into consideration as I prefer local flavour.

The only place I went to was the Spring massage on WanPing.

I chose the 398 massage which include Happy ending and no tips required.

I chose number 82.30's above average 6/7 out of 10 big breasts for a Chinese.

Regular massage was good but short. The naughty part was better.

She knows what she's doing. The masseuse used to get fully undressed but I guess now they changed their policy.

I had to tip her 150 Y for that. After playing and rubbing my little boy and licking my nipples I got very hard and that kinda turned her on LOL.

She was damn wet and ask me if I wanted to fuck. I was quite surprised as I thought that was not possible at Spring.

Hell yes!

We agree on 400 Y. Quick BJ and quick fuck. I left happy and promise to come back see her again.

A week later, went back to see her and the experience was even better.

I let her think that I was in SH for work and not vacations to create chemistry.

She agreed to meet me outside work and we exchanged wechat.

I felt like she really like me.

Overall I think SH is not the same as I used to be. Less fun and more expensive.

Thailand is a much better place for fun.

[QUOTE=VinceX;2218762]Hey guys,

Just a quick post regarding my latest trip to SH.

I am very familiar with the city and speak decent Chinese.

Thailand is a much better place for fun.[/QUOTE]Vince. Please get a PM. How much for takeout with this gem?

There used to be a sauna in Pudong off Century Ave, not anymore. But there is a Courtyard Marriott near the Century Ave metro stop and walking around on the back (western) side of it, you'll see a sign for a massage place in a parking lot. Had a sign and stairs on the outside going up a one-story. Figured what the heck, maybe I'll get lucky and in I went.

The receptionist greeted with a nice small with a look in her eye as I walked up. The manager (middle-aged man) was sitting in a chair next to her and send something in Chinese to her and she looked at him and nodded. She showed a couple of options. I asked if it was a special message. She said "only massage" in a rough voice. I figured she's following his instructions and not giving me that option, either that, or it's typical Chinese women's style of how they talk loud and abrasively towards men.

I tried to pretend like that's not what I came looking for and walking away hoping she'd call me back and offer a good massage. No luck. So stopped before exiting the door and I decided to go for a regular 1 H foot massage. But I did ask for a pretty girl. She said again "only massage! I said yes, but pretty girl.

She went in, brought someone out with her and said something like "here's girl", not as a question, but as a this is who it's going to be. She was medium-slim build, a 5.5-6 in appearance. I said OK and went and got a foot massage.

I waited during it if she would try to make a play or suggestion, no luck.

I offered using google translate, she declined.

Got a good foot massage though, even put me to sleep as she was doing it.

Paid (270 Y or so) and left.

Places that hit should be reported, as are places that miss, esp these days post-sauna shutdown. At least that was my thinking and thus sharing.

Not many options in Pudong or a Judys / Manhattans on this side of the river I guess.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2218421]A lot of people on here seem to think that if you pick the most expensive menu item at ANY Spring Spa (sometimes known as Yu Spa), then you will get some naughty adventure. This is not true. I recently visited the one on Xietu Road, and the one on Shuicheng Road, picked the 336 rmb option both times, and got a legit massage both times. In fact, some have reported that the one on Madang is also legit. The first time I went there, the receptionist took me aside and told me there is no happy massage, but when I turned to leave, she stopped me and said it was available. At other Springs that I have visited so far, naughty fun can be had. BTW, if I am wrong, then please correct me. This is a YMMV game, so maybe I just got unlucky.[/QUOTE]I had a he at the Shuicheng lu location.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;2219071]I had a he at the Shuicheng lu location.[/QUOTE]There used to be a 399 package there which included BJ from what I was told but I believe its not available these days since the place was raided a few months back.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2219086]There used to be a 399 package there which included BJ from what I was told but I believe its not available these days since the place was raided a few months back.[/QUOTE]Wait, what? It was raided only a few months ago, post crackdown? I once asked a Spring gal how they could still be open during the crackdown (back in October or November) and she said there was no way that Spring could close because it was such a well regarded and famous large chain. So I was under the impression that Springs were safe from raids.

Btw, there isnt even a shower at Shuicheng now. If you want an oil massage, they clean you with wet towels. I strongly insisted on a shower and they said no shower.

VinceX, kudos to you for getting a Spring gal to meet you outside. My MO these days is to get WeChat contacts at MPs and meet them at outside. My success rate is good at MPs that don’t get much business, so these girls are more willing to meet outside. But I have never been able to get a Spring girl to meet me outside, and I think it’s because they have plenty of customers at their MPs.

Incidentally, I was reading a lot of old posts in the Shanghai thread from a year and a half ago. Damn, its unbelievable how much the Shanghai mongering scene has changed for the worst in such a short period of time. Oh well.

First time visiting Shanghai after 7 years.

Can any bros recommend good MP & pick up?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2209356]Quite a few freelancers or semi pros at Mint last Saturday. Even though I was with a girldfriend I got appoached 5 times in 1 hour including by a stunning Chinese woman, naked under her sleeveless jacket: I'm still seeing cleavage and side boobs. Coudn't convince GF to ask her if she was open to 3 p, didn't get her contact. May have been too expensive anyway given her apparent lack of success.[/QUOTE]Can PM locations?

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[QUOTE=Forum69;2219030]Places that hit should be reported, as are places that miss, esp these days post-sauna shutdown. At least that was my thinking and thus sharing.

Not many options in Pudong or a Judys / Manhattans on this side of the river I guess.[/QUOTE]If we were to report all the places that don't offer he, this forum would be full of them. These days in China a he is an exception rather than the rule. Only worth reporting a strike out if others had reported success previously.

[QUOTE=AndyHibiki;2219195]Can PM locations?[/QUOTE]No need for PM, the name of the place was in the title: Mint. It's the well known dance club at Fuzhou Lu. I only care about local beauties but last time there was also a few black WGs in addition to the usual Russian "models" who may or may not be in the same trade. Check the door policy and dress code before going.

Arrived in Shanghai from Europe. Had been chatting to a fili on wechat girl for months (since last visit here) and arranged to finally meet her. Landed 4 hours late so I was fucking exhausted by time I got to my hotel. Quick shower and headed out to Zapatas. Got there 2 hours before she arrived because she was late. She was coming with her friends and on a night out. It was 50/50 whether she'the come back to my hotel.

In that 2 hours I connected with a local Chinese girl on Tantan. Got chatting and she said she wanted to fuck me tonijnt. Yeah right. But it stuck on my head. Fili finally shows up and I met her and had a drink. She was fucking amazing looking but I got the vibe that she was after a night out and not up for coming back to hotel. Even if she was I figured it would be about 4 am before she would want to. So I thought fuck it. I needed a guaranteed fuck that night. So made my excuses of being tired and said we'the meet in the week. Headed off to The Spo and met the local girl.

To my surprise she was there. Her photos on Tantan and wechat were from a flattering angle and she was chubbier than what I normally like. I was half thinking about ditching her and heading to Judys. But then she whispered in my ear that she wanted me to fuck her up the ass. Fuck yeah. So decided that whilst not my typical girl she would be free and up for it.

Back to hotel. In the room. Get some drink from duty free flowing. Grab a shower. She joins me and great BJ in the shower.

Dry off and onto the main event. On the bed. On the table. In the floor. Sucking me by spitting on my cock. Whilst her finger is up my ass. But because of the little blue pill I can't cum easy. I'm like a porn star. Keep going for ages.

Fucked her ass which she loved. And screamed (sorry neighbors) so much. Made her squirt by fingering her pussy whilst she sucked me. Fuck was that horny. Eventually came when she edged me with her fingers and tongue. Cum went everywhere. Like a fucking fountain and she lapped it up.

Slept eventually and she wanted more when we woke. But my cock was not up for it. Far too sensitive from the previous battering.

She left and gave her money for the taxi.

She's been sending my nude photos all day and wants to meet again. I've got loads of downtime in this trip so will definitely meet her again. But still exploring other options and have a regular from Malaysia who just landed and wants to meet. She's a regular to Judys. So decided to hit both Judys and Manhattan and Zapatas again. Happy days indeed.

Hi Lander, thanks for your contribution! I surely want to go there next Friday with company.

Can you quickly let me know dress code and entrance fee or do I need to make a reservation?

I used to go to that other place in Fuzhou Lu, the „house of blues and jazz" but it's no longer.

Very interesting.

It used to be packed you barely could get in! But it seems these days are gone.

Thanks for any comment or recommendation.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2219618]No need for PM, the name of the place was in the title: Mint. It's the well known dance club at Fuzhou Lu. I only care about local beauties but last time there was also a few black WGs in addition to the usual Russian "models" who may or may not be in the same trade. Check the door policy and dress code before going.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobSH;2219450]If we were to report all the places that don't offer he, this forum would be full of them. These days in China a he is an exception rather than the rule. Only worth reporting a strike out if others had reported success previously.[/QUOTE]Really? I was there only a week. I went to 4 MPs and scored an he at all of them. Actually, in one place, I declined HE before coming and turned it into takeout to my hotel. One of the places offered BBBJ or FS in the room as well as takeout FS to my hotel but the prices were insane, tho the girl was hot.

Only one of them I had been to before and knew it was an HE place. The girl I got, however, was not my regular and with all the reports I really wasn't sure it was going to work out. But all went normal and me without trying. I will admit all places were more cautious than years past.

Maybe I am just lucky but I don't think so. One place had a girl in the white top (showing sexy cleavage) with black short dress. An obvious sign in the good old days something was available. This place was the alley of Wanhangdu lu. Another, sha na na. Club in JinQiao pudong (across from the Marriot). The girls were pretty and in short terrycloth type outfits another possible sign. One was around the corner from there and just seemed the type of place tho the dress was not right. I actually started to leave and I met the girl that was going to do my massage. The Mamasan said beautiful girl will do. I stopped 2 feet from the door and went back to the room.

Frankly after reading all the reports, i was concerned and PM'd a lot of folks. I told midwestern i was ready to leave my pussy money home LOL. despite the concerns, read my reports from a week or so back. i had one Heck of a good time.

Maybe I have HE-dar. As these places were pretty obvious to me.

[QUOTE=Whiskey7;2215698]Haven't checked in for a few days, and in my absence SamCan has serviced half of Shanghai. Rumor on the street there says Viagra was developed from SamCan's stem cells.

SamCan, I like that you tipped extra to someone who flew in especially to see you. Nice gesture!

I've unfortunately no salacious stories to share. Back in the homeland plotting the next trip. Wondering if I could swing a job change that would get me out to SE Asia once a quarter. Just a dream for now.

I read "The Quiet American" on my plane ride home. Reminded me that Viet girls think very differently to European and US girls.[/QUOTE]Whiskey, I must have been too busy "servicing Shanghai" to read this post, I am back in the USA desert and saw this post for a chuckle.

Yes, I had messaged sun 2 weeks before shanghai. She said she was in Viet Nam. I told her when I would be there. She told me she would get her visa. I arrived Saturday. She messaged me to say she had her visa and could be there by Wednesday. She was the best of the week. Looking back, knowing what I know now. I would have paid for her ticket. I only banged her once the trip before. What a mistake.

As far as stem cells? No I don't think so. Some of us do, however, believe in living better through chemicals. Cialis and Viagara can be purchased over the counter in China as easy as buying a pack of life savers.

Can anyone recommend a legit KTV in Shanghai with highwr quality talent. A past resident of Shanghai and frequent visitor of LA KTV in the past. Will be in town this weekend. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2218652]Aurunzeb, what was the number of the provider at Xietu Lu that gave you a BJ?.[/QUOTE]I'm tempted to say 59, but my memory is fuzzy. She said her name was Chin Chin.

So I checked in with what had been a large and thriving sauna on Xian Xia. Now they seem to hop around every few weeks from hotel to hotel. This is the 4th location (that I personally know of). I've stayed away since prices appear to be north of 2,000 in the current climate. However, they sometimes run a 1,300 special for the 7 xx, 8 xx and 9 xx girls. Still more than it should be, but I need a young hot thing every now and then. I wish they would just do out-calls like an escort service. However, saunas seem to be all about control. No out-calls.

Basically, they now direct known clients to a hotel room where the girls are sleeping / lounging around. 3 pm and only 6 in line-up, but all pretty hot. They hop to attention and let me pick. Pulled a 23 year old, fashion model like, super thin, very small tits, maybe 8. 5 by my ratings. We relocated to another hotel room they rent out. She was extremely nice. Given the new arrangement, girls take their cell phones to rooms (unlike in a formal sauna). Advantage is you can try to talk them into making friends on wechat. She made me promise not to tell the bosses. Maybe I'll get something out of it, who knows.

I got to say, though, the current style of sauna is not risk-free, not for faint-of-heart and not for non-Mandarin speakers / writers. They frequently relocate and are obviously anxious about LE. Instructions are detailed and hard to follow. Any complications they cut off contact. Who knows if the old days (what? 1 year ago?) of dozens of Shanghai saunas open to anyone will ever return.

I probably should just stick to Manhattan, a safer option. But like I said, sometimes I really want to a pretty young thing resembling a hot coed. No signs of childbirth. Furthermore, affluent local Chinese guys have become the preferred clients in Manhattan. Harder than it used to be for an ordinary white dude to bed the hottest chick in the place. I'm not bitter. It's just the market. Power to the locals!

Anyone else hitting these roaming clandestine saunas, or is it just me?

Just come back from shanghai. I had a short business meeting with my partner in the evening in Shanghai and used the opportunity to visited a sauna. Traveled from Beijing to Shanghai by high speed train and arrived in Hongqiao station. Put my luggage in a self service storage locker. Called my contact and get the direction to the sauna. The sauna is in a apartment complex and has no sign. You will not find any sign outside of the building. I was given a address to a grocery store near by. When I arrived the store, called my contact and he come over o meet me in the store first and led me to a small door on the side of the apartment complex entrance. Once I enter the building, there is no front desk, just walk into a larger room where he called out about 20 girls with tags. The price is steep, only 1 was 1389,3 were 1589,5 were 1799, about 10 1999, and a few 2199. I choose a 20 year old for 1799, with a very pretty face, but short girl. She led me to a room up stairs by hand. There is a water bed on the floor. Start with shower, water bed experience, BBBJ and rimming on the water bed, then onto the bed, with tongue all over my back, rimming again, and BBBJ again until enter her tight pussy. The experience is great. The price is high.

I can not wait to come back.

JB.

Just back from ten days in China. 6 nights in SH, 6 wonderful nights with 6 different friends, I have made over the years. I posted a few weeks ago about the dating sites, got bashed a little, but it works for me.

Got a little Rumor that Stephen got 12 years and the girls 3 years each. They appealed and lost. So 12 years it is.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2219762]Maybe I have HE-dar. As these places were pretty obvious to me.[/QUOTE]Yea, most of the massage parlors in Shanghai are legit, but if you only go to ones with telling signs then surely you will have better luck.

I've had the habit recently of trying the mid-range chains where from first appearance it's not obviously totally legit and not obviously 'special'. I would consider Spring and Fudi in this category, and they give he, but I've had no success at chains such as Yuwutong and Junyuefuqiao, despite similar opening hours and menu price. Does anyone know of other chains that provide extras?

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[QUOTE=TheGuy;2220043]So I checked in with what had been a large and thriving sauna on Xian Xia. Now they seem to hop around every few weeks from hotel to hotel. This is the 4th location (that I personally know of). I've stayed away since prices appear to be north of 2,000 in the current climate. However, they sometimes run a 1,300 special for the 7 xx, 8 xx and 9 xx girls. Still more than it should be, but I need a young hot thing every now and then. I wish they would just do out-calls like an escort service. However, saunas seem to be all about control. No out-calls.

Anyone else hitting these roaming clandestine saunas, or is it just me?[/QUOTE]I've been meaning to try these clandestine saunas, and the fact that it's in apartments doesn't bother me at all. It's just the risk factor. This all seems much more dangerous than just one year ago. I used to be a very frequent visitor to the old saunas when they were around. Do you happen to have a contact to a reliable agent for these new ones?

Dress code is smart casual. Look like you can afford the $20 cocktails.

M1 NT technically is a club, with an annual membership fee. With membership guaranteed entry. Otherwise risk being turned away. It's been maybe 4 years since I was a member, so working from dated info. A buddy showed up there last Wednesday and couldn't get in until he called a friend who is in M1 NT management. So definitely suggest calling / emailing the club and reserving. Tables, as I recall, had a minimum spend. Again, my info is dated but recall it was on order of RMB5000. +/- depending on table size, but you get the general idea.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;2219753]Hi Lander, thanks for your contribution! I surely want to go there next Friday with company.

Can you quickly let me know dress code and entrance fee or do I need to make a reservation?

I used to go to that other place in Fuzhou Lu, the house of blues and jazz" but it's no longer.

Very interesting.

It used to be packed you barely could get in! But it seems these days are gone.

Thanks for any comment or recommendation.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optional;2220627]I've been meaning to try these clandestine saunas, and the fact that it's in apartments doesn't bother me at all. It's just the risk factor. This all seems much more dangerous than just one year ago. I used to be a very frequent visitor to the old saunas when they were around. Do you happen to have a contact to a reliable agent for these new ones?[/QUOTE]Wouldn't the new Sauna that operate out of a rotating set of hotel rooms be more safe?

Always moving from location to location, under radar, hotel likes the $ and if totally discrete no complaints from guest far safer too?

I fancying trying one and getting to see before I buy, LOL.

Thanks, gotcha.

Looks like I not fancy. As a short term visitor.

Then will still visit the "house of blues and jazz".

Gregory.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2220653]Dress code is smart casual. Look like you can afford the $20 cocktails.

M1 NT technically is a club, with an annual membership fee. With membership guaranteed entry. Otherwise risk being turned away. It's been maybe 4 years since I was a member, so working from dated info. A buddy showed up there last Wednesday and couldn't get in until he called a friend who is in M1 NT management. So definitely suggest calling / emailing the club and reserving. Tables, as I recall, had a minimum spend. Again, my info is dated but recall it was on order of RMB5000. +/- depending on table size, but you get the general idea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2220893]Wouldn't the new Sauna that operate out of a rotating set of hotel rooms be more safe?

Always moving from location to location, under radar, hotel likes the $ and if totally discrete no complaints from guest far safer too?

I fancying trying one and getting to see before I buy, LOL.[/QUOTE]Safer than trying to operate a regular sauna now, but definitely less safe than before because they are not giving envelopes to the police anymore.

I just got back from a very short and busy visit to SH. On my one day off I went to 76 Changshou Lu and was very disappointed that the place is closed with a big paper sign taped across the doors in Chinese. I could not read it but it seemed clear the placed was closed, and not just for the day.

After that, I went by an old standby BBS near Gubei Lu and it was even worse. Not only was it closed, but the front wall and doors had been demolished and a new concrete wall had been built in its place.

Finally I went to another massage place and got a good, thorough massage for 298 RMB. Aaagh. Thanks to a suggestion on here, I made sure to get her Wechat for the future.

Have fun, stay safe.

Doit.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2221302]I just got back from a very short and busy visit to SH. On my one day off I went to 76 Changshou Lu and was very disappointed that the place is closed with a big paper sign taped across the doors in Chinese. I could not read it but it seemed clear the placed was closed, and not just for the day.

After that, I went by an old standby BBS near Gubei Lu and it was even worse. Not only was it closed, but the front wall and doors had been demolished and a new concrete wall had been built in its place.

Finally I went to another massage place and got a good, thorough massage for 298 RMB. Aaagh. Thanks to a suggestion on here, I made sure to get her Wechat for the future.

Have fun, stay safe.

Doit.[/QUOTE]Ah, too bad about 76 Changshou Lu. When I first went there, I got hooked, and then I started going there about 2-3 times a week. It was a no-brainer. It was near where I worked, and almost every day at work I would ask myself, "should I go get a 268 RMB BBBJ?" and it was rare when I thought "no. " But eventually, I got tired of the dirty floor, dirty shower, and dirty bedding, the many customers waiting their turn, the providers that were 3's and 4's, the very tiny towels, and the surly guy at the front desk. Sometimes the towels were still wet and I asked my provider one time why the towel was wet and she said they can't clean and dry the towels fast enough because they had so many customers. Actually, many times, the girls wanted to rush out when we were done so they could quickly suck another dick. BTW, to be fair, some providers were at least 5's, but I didn't know how to book them on QQ and they were usually busy when I was there. Anyway, not surprised this place got shut down. It seemed like everybody knew about this place. I saw Europeans, Americans, Koreans, Indians, Japanese, and of course, Chinese guys there. It probably became too much, and the LE had to shut it down. But I truly enjoyed the place for a while and I am sad it is closed.

Check out what Rain posted on her WeChat moments:

We are not service for indian. I don't want always hear discount and discount! Indian always ask give me best price. Give me good price. Always make me crazy and angry! Even I say 1200 girls available. They will say too much to much! Yesterday I talk with one indian 1 hour. At the end he make me blacklist! Of course have some really high quality indian guest before. That really little a part of! 97 % indian they ask about everything also know the price. At the end day too much, sorry. You waste my 1 hour time just sorry. I let girls waiting about 1 hour just sorry! Most time sorry is nothing!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2221374]Ah, too bad about 76 Changshou Lu. When I first went there, I got hooked, and then I started going there about 2-3 times a week. It was a no-brainer. It was near where I worked, and almost every day at work I would ask myself, "should I go get a 268 RMB BBBJ?" and it was rare when I thought "no. " But eventually, I got tired of the dirty floor, dirty shower, and dirty bedding, the many customers waiting their turn, the providers that were 3's and 4's, the very tiny towels, and the surly guy at the front desk. Sometimes the towels were still wet and I asked my provider one time why the towel was wet and she said they can't clean and dry the towels fast enough because they had so many customers. Actually, many times, the girls wanted to rush out when we were done so they could quickly suck another dick. BTW, to be fair, some providers were at least 5's, but I didn't know how to book them on QQ and they were usually busy when I was there. Anyway, not surprised this place got shut down. It seemed like everybody knew about this place. I saw Europeans, Americans, Koreans, Indians, Japanese, and of course, Chinese guys there. It probably became too much, and the LE had to shut it down. But I truly enjoyed the place for a while and I am sad it is closed.[/QUOTE]Number 3, YuEr from Sichuan, was a star performer, and stunning when she walked into the room oh high heels. Her BBBJ sometimes as good as #18 at Shaanxi Road, where she worked before Changshou. #11 was good too. Ah, the good old days. I would have brought my own towel if that had become an issue. I insisted the floor be cleaned once.

I'm will be traveling to Shanghai this upcoming week and would like to know if anyone can share with me is there anywhere in walking distance where fun can be had. I read Cesaer Palace was one place but not sure who I would get there or if westerns are allowed. And input would be greatly appreciated. I will share experiences once I'm back.

[QUOTE=Relaxer24;2221452]I'm will be traveling to Shanghai this upcoming week and would like to know if anyone can share with me is there anywhere in walking distance where fun can be had. I read Cesaer Palace was one place but not sure who I would get there or if westerns are allowed. And input would be greatly appreciated. I will share experiences once I'm back.[/QUOTE]Cesaer Palace is a luxury place. These places are thought for groups of rich Chinese men. To be a western should not be a problem. The problem is the language. Don't expect anyone talking English there. The other problem is that these clubs (there is a similar one in Wunding Road, close to Carrefour), as I said, are thoughts for groups, so, if the price is shared could be great. For just one person, could it be too expensive. Better call someone from Massage Republic.

#3 of Changshou Road and Shaanxi Road spa locations. Some of us had the pleasure. She is gone as are both locations. 😂128514;128514;128514;128514;128514;.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2221563]#3 of Changshou Road and Shaanxi Road spa locations. Some of us had the pleasure. She is gone as are both locations. 😂128514;128514;128514;128514;128514;.[/QUOTE]I remember seeing that pic before. Although I never had the opportunity to partake.

Hi,

Does anyone know if there are still pharmacies around which sell Cialis and Co. Without prescription?

Name? Address? Price?

Thanks.

Am going to Shanghai soon. I'm wondering if it is still possible to get a he massage at Spring Massages. I was thinking of the WangPing Rd one.

[QUOTE=NonLinear;2222177]Am going to Shanghai soon. I'm wondering if it is still possible to get a he massage at Spring Massages. I was thinking of the WangPing Rd one.[/QUOTE]There are posts about Spring massage in August and September this year, a mixed bag perhaps.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer80;2222145]Hi,

Does anyone know if there are still pharmacies around which sell Cialis and Co. Without prescription?

Name? Address? Price?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cialis and Viagra are available at pretty much every pharmacy without a prescription. Look for the green plus sign to find a pharmacy. They seem to be everywhere. If you cannot speak Chinese, then just mime getting an erection. Gets lots of laughs. They might try to talk you into a cheaper imitation, because the patents on Viagra and Cialis may have expired, but I always opt for the real thing. The price is almost exactly the same as in the United States, so they are expensive. Most recently, I bought the one-a-day Cialis pills, which are 5 MG pills. This way, I can just eat 2 of them for the typical 10 MG dose. As you know, it is not easy cutting a 20 MG Cialis pill.

[QUOTE=NonLinear;2222177]Am going to Shanghai soon. I'm wondering if it is still possible to get a he massage at Spring Massages. I was thinking of the WangPing Rd one.[/QUOTE]This was discussed in some depth a couple of weeks ago. Check out the thread for those recent posts. In short, I think you will be happy at the WangPing one.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer80;2222145]Hi,

Does anyone know if there are still pharmacies around which sell Cialis and Co. Without prescription?

Name? Address? Price?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have posted 10 times. 9 times you were asking questions and looking for information. Only 1 time did you provide a report. But you are obviously a monger. So, don't just take. Also give. Anyway, I hope my posted answer to your recent question helps you.

I read the guidelines and hope I'm adhering to them; here's my report:

During a recent visit, I was looking at outcall options online and longed for the good old days of detailed info available online. I came across an agency called "Shanghai Escort Review".

Short summary = It's legit, but with bait and switch wrt pics / profile, but there was FS. Yes, it provided much needed service delivered to my hotel room for the posted amount. No, I don't plan on repeating with the agency.

Long version, call me gullible but I thought the pics would be accurate given it is an agency. The site showed about 10 girls, with pics, profiles, services offered. I reached out to the agency via email from the website. I asked for confirmation Amy is as in the pics, to which they said yes. I asked for another pic, they sent some similar looking girl wearing sunglasses so I could not tell, I provided the hotel name and time and booked Amy. When evening came, I asked if my time could adjust 30 m earlier, and they accommodated. Amy arrived on time.

I chose Amy, the first profile due to her petite slim physique and persona implied in the profile and she was from Singapore. The girl that arrived was mid 20's, medium build, one shade or two shy of chubby (not fat), Chinese (afaik), and had an aggressive fast-paced personality and mood.

She walked all the way in when I opened the door, I said 'Hi, I don't think you're Amy'. To which she replied 'Yes I am'. 'You don't look like the pics at all'. To which she says 'Look again honey'. 'You're note from Singapore' I said.

By then she circled back to me, wrapped her arms around me and gave me a kiss, letting me know she's here to provide the service if I still wanted it. It had been a long time since I popped so I went with it. I set the envelope out, which she took. Asked for cab fare, for which I gave her 120 why. She asked for 200 why, I said agency said 100-200 y. She said it's far and needs 200 y. OK, whatever. FS 1 HR rate was 1000 y.

We then did ShowerF2, only LFK, no DFK, CBJ for about 30's and then she hopped on CG and we did a few positions until I came. Afterwards I said how about a massage as time is not up, she gave a half-hearted push push push on my back. I said that's OK, and said my good byes.

I was disappointed it wasn't Amy. I got 'OK' service, and got to pop.

Hi,

I am new to Shanghai.

Any one ever tried to find a girl in this websie.

Seems there are many girls in this website. I don't know if they are truly available.

[URL]http://nirvanashanghai.com/[/URL]

I am an active contributor in SEA threads and have posted a couple of FR on the SH thread too. I travel here quite frequently on business but there is never enough time to hobby.

This week I found myself with some spare time on hand. So yesterday (Sunday) I wandered around a bit and at around 8 pm closed in on Nanyang Rd. Manhattan was closed. So a bit of walk further to Tongren Rd but Judy was closed too. And they did not appear like they were likely to open later in the night.

Question to gents active in SH. Did I miss something? Please educate me.

Meanwhile in other news I got a decent hit on Tantan. I met the girl at THE Starbucks around 2 pm and after an hour of small talk we were back at my hotel. Spent the rest of the afternoon in bed. In the end around 6 pm when I told her she should get gong she turned on the waterworks and it became quite a task to get her to leave. No money discussed. None given. 28, divorced after a year of a rocky marriage to a gambling man, no kids, etc. Bangin time. I love this city.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2222280]There are posts about Spring massage in August and September this year, a mixed bag perhaps.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]I went to one in Jing'an district at lunch time the other day (they have 4 locations in the area) and the place was so full that they only had a room without shower to offer me.

The girl was rather cute actually. She was in legit pijamas so I was afraid she would do the legit massage too but then she asked me if I wanted oil or not. I then figured an oil massage where oil becomes optional is obviously not legitShe then said she used to work at the place at changshou lu and only started working at spring 3 months ago, so I guess its the famous 76 changshou lu you guys often mention.

Her massage wasn't too bad and later on she asked me if I wanted her to start a boob massage over my back for an extra 100 rmb. Note that I took the 336 RMB massage with HJ included.

I figured why not and I was right to as her boobs were decent size and it felt damn right.

Upon turning face up she asked me if I wanted another service by hand or mouth or something else. She said if I was to buy a member card today she was ready to include the full service at cost (336 RMB). I laughed and told her I wasn't looking for anything else than a HJ and didn't wan't to buy a card but told her if I did I would have accepted her offer with joy.

Then she offered to take all her cloth off and offer full roaming for 300 RMB, I said 200 RMB but she then told me there was already 100 RMB for the tits massage and getting fully naked with roaming was 200 RMB. I told her I stick to 200 RMB but if its very well done I will up my tip to 300 RMB.

She made sure to slowly tease me and later on jokingly asked me how she was doing and if that would get her 300 RMB (I smiled and said yes sure you're doing great) she was happy and kept up with giving me full attention and full access to her body for roaming.

Nice session. Exact location and girl number given by private only to contributing members.

Hi folks,

Was in Xintiandi having a meal and drinks with friends.

Got propositioned by many guys and ladies trying to sell me a lady.

I fobbed them off but others kept coming.

Later in the night there some streetwallers / freelancers about. All Chinese. And some of them were babes. I mean 8 in my books. While others were average to borderline ugly.

I didn't partake as I was with friends. However may try one if the opportunity arises.

Anyone had any experiences in the area?

Red.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2222742]Hi folks,

Was in Xintiandi having a meal and drinks with friends.

Got propositioned by many guys and ladies trying to sell me a lady.

I fobbed them off but others kept coming.

Later in the night there some streetwallers / freelancers about. All Chinese. And some of them were babes. I mean 8 in my books. While others were average to borderline ugly.

I didn't partake as I was with friends. However may try one if the opportunity arises.

Anyone had any experiences in the area?

Red.[/QUOTE]A few months ago, I went to Xintiandi around 9 pm for an after work dinner and drink. Since it was warm, I was sitting outside one of the restaurants when I was approached by an attractive young Chinese lady who invited me to a "party". Although I am a very experienced international traveler and am aware of all the scams, for some reason she charmed me into taking a cab with her. We ended up at an unmarked building in a section of Shanghai that I did not readily recognize. The next two hours were truly scary. In short, after doing nothing that would rack up huge charges in a tiny private room fully-clothed except chatting and drinking a couple of beers, I was presented with a bill for 30,000 Rmb. When I refused to pay, two big guys came into the room and threatened to get physical. When I tried to call the police on my Chinese cell phone, they ripped it from my hand and said the police were paid off by the boss' father who ran operations like this all over town. I am a big guy too, but they had my outnumbered, so I reluctantly agreed to pay what I could with US bank cards. The total charged was probably close to $2,000. Finally after deciding that they had wrung all the money they could out of me, they gave me a "free" beer and sent me penniless back to my hotel in a cab. I immediately cancelled the charges online with my banks. There was some reluctance to void the charges since the proper PIN had been used, etc. , but eventually when the "vendor" did not respond to the banks' inquires the banks all agreed to credit my accounts. Whew.

Because I figured the crooks would be enraged when they learned the banks had voided the charges, I also changed hotels and kept a low profile for the rest of my trip. I even took a deep breath when going through outbound Chinese immigration since I was worried that these connected crooks might have lodged a claim against me that might prevent me from leaving China, which I was anxious to do. Luckily, things went smoothly, but I did breathe an extra sigh of relief when my AA flight took off for Dallas! Subsequent trips have been less eventful.

Moral (s) of this story:

1. Never go with any one you don't know, especially if you are alone. This can be difficult if you've had a couple of drinks and the come on is from a pretty young thing, but don't kid yourself that you are such a hot stud that cute young ladies are going to really approach you to go to parties, free massages, tea ceremonies, English classes, etc. It just does not happen!

2. Limit what you carry in terms of cash and cards, etc. And.

3. no p. In China is worth the risk and the stress of these situations.

I have worked all over the world and I am by no means young anymore, but this night in Shanghai still gives me chills and makes me very grateful that Karma or some other past good deeds, etc. Extricated me from a very dicey spot. Learn from my mistake. I did.

Thank you Techadv76 for reporting your experience. Hopefully it will help prevent others from experiencing the same.

If it's too good to be true then it probably is. Don't think with the wrong head. Stay safe. It's enough that we have to be aware of authorities. Don't put yourself in a position to be in danger of being scammed.

A few years ago, I was in Shanghai with limited time and opportunity. This site proved to be a pretty good place to arrange some fun. The girls were reasonably priced, the madam could communicate well in English and the service was essentially no hassle.

Now I cannot find it online.

Were they arrested? I spent some time RTFF, but cannot find out what happened. Is there a new site?

Thanks, F.

On a whim, I emailed [EMAIL]booking@shanghai-nightlife-guide.com[/EMAIL]. I got a return message that, "Unfortunately Steven and most of the team behind him, have been arrested. Shanghai Nightlife Guide will not return. Etc. ".

That is a very unhappy event. I wonder how long these guys went to prison in China (can they bribe their way out?). Mon Dieu!

I have had several happy moments in China over the last 15 years, but the place was always complicated due to language and cultural issues. I hadn't been to Shanghai for about 2-3 years, but was considering a return in November. With this sustained crackdown, and the dramatic increase in prices, Shanghai and Beijing seem far less appealing to me. Am I missing something?

[QUOTE=Forest;2223113]A few years ago, I was in Shanghai with limited time and opportunity. This site proved to be a pretty good place to arrange some fun. The girls were reasonably priced, the madam could communicate well in English and the service was essentially no hassle.

Now I cannot find it online.

Were they arrested? I spent some time RTFF, but cannot find out what happened. Is there a new site?

Thanks, F.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Forest;2223118]On a whim, I emailed [EMAIL]booking@shanghai-nightlife-guide.com[/EMAIL]. I got a return message that, "Unfortunately Steven and most of the team behind him, have been arrested. Shanghai Nightlife Guide will not return. Etc. ".

That is a very unhappy event. I wonder how long these guys went to prison in China (can they bribe their way out?). Mon Dieu!

I have had several happy moments in China over the last 15 years, but the place was always complicated due to language and cultural issues. I hadn't been to Shanghai for about 2-3 years, but was considering a return in November. With this sustained crackdown, and the dramatic increase in prices, Shanghai and Beijing seem far less appealing to me. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Reliable intel says Steven got a 12 year sentence and his two assistants got 3-5 years. There was a sting where they arrested over a dozen Johns, mostly foreigners, to testify against Steven and Judy. NLO is okay. Reliable indies on there. MPs, saunas, and agencies are a bit risky. Agencies are now risky because of what happened to Steven.

Went for an afternoon visit to Spring Ya'an Road last week. Seems they have a new regime there now. No showering in the room, instead you have to go along the hall to a dedicated shower room. Ok, before your massage but somewhat uncomfortable after, if you know what I mean.

Massage was pretty good but after the flip, the girl began the hustle for tips. On the positive side, BJ was on offer for 500, I declined being short of cash. Still, an uncomfortable experience.

Luckily, not that far away on Xietu Rd, there's a new Spring (Aroma Spa) that doesn't do the shower down the hall nonsense. It isn't branded as a Spring, except on its DianPing listing. Looks like it might be a better option.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2223134]Reliable intel says Steven got a 12 year sentence and his two assistants got 3-5 years. There was a sting where they arrested over a dozen Johns, mostly foreigners, to testify against Steven and Judy. NLO is okay. Reliable indies on there. MPs, saunas, and agencies are a bit risky. Agencies are now risky because of what happened to Steven.[/QUOTE]Judy's and Manhattans remain your best bet if you are near jing ann.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2223234]Judy's and Manhattans remain your best bet if you are near jing ann.[/QUOTE]SamCan I was there this Sunday around 8 pm and both places were closed and did appear they might open later in the night. I posted a couple of days back to clarify.

Can you please throw some light.

[QUOTE=TechAdv76;2222926]A few months ago, I went to Xintiandi around 9 pm for an after work dinner and drink. Since it was warm, I was sitting outside one of the restaurants when I was approached by an attractive young Chinese lady who invited me to a "party". Although I am a very experienced international traveler and am aware of all the scams, for some reason she charmed me into taking a cab with her. We ended up at an unmarked building in a section of Shanghai that I did not readily recognize. The next two hours were truly scary. In short, after doing nothing that would rack up huge charges in a tiny private room fully-clothed except chatting and drinking a couple of beers, I was presented with a bill for 30,000 Rmb. When I refused to pay, two big guys came into the room and threatened to get physical. When I tried to call the police on my Chinese cell phone, they ripped it from my hand and said the police were paid off by the boss' father who ran operations like this all over town. I am a big guy too, but they had my outnumbered, so I reluctantly agreed to pay what I could with US bank cards. The total charged was probably close to $2,000. Finally after deciding that they had wrung all the money they could out of me, they gave me a "free" beer and sent me penniless back to my hotel in a cab. I immediately cancelled the charges online with my banks. There was some reluctance to void the charges since the proper PIN had been used, etc. , but eventually when the "vendor" did not respond to the banks' inquires the banks all agreed to credit my accounts. Whew.

Because I figured the crooks would be enraged when they learned the banks had voided the charges, I also changed hotels and kept a low profile for the rest of my trip. I even took a deep breath when going through outbound Chinese immigration since I was worried that these connected crooks might have lodged a claim against me that might prevent me from leaving China, which I was anxious to do. Luckily, things went smoothly, but I did breathe an extra sigh of relief when my AA flight took off for Dallas! Subsequent trips have been less eventful.

Moral (s) of this story:

1. Never go with any one you don't know, especially if you are alone. This can be difficult if you've had a couple of drinks and the come on is from a pretty young thing, but don't kid yourself that you are such a hot stud that cute young ladies are going to really approach you to go to parties, free massages, tea ceremonies, English classes, etc. It just does not happen!

2. Limit what you carry in terms of cash and cards, etc. And.

3. no p. In China is worth the risk and the stress of these situations.

I have worked all over the world and I am by no means young anymore, but this night in Shanghai still gives me chills and makes me very grateful that Karma or some other past good deeds, etc. Extricated me from a very dicey spot. Learn from my mistake. I did.[/QUOTE]What a story, sorry you had to go through that. Yeah, the one truism in Shanghai: Never go with touts. Anywhere!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2223134]Reliable intel says Steven got a 12 year sentence and his two assistants got 3-5 years. There was a sting where they arrested over a dozen Johns, mostly foreigners, to testify against Steven and Judy. NLO is okay. Reliable indies on there. MPs, saunas, and agencies are a bit risky. Agencies are now risky because of what happened to Steven.[/QUOTE]After Steven's experience, I will never use a wechat tied to my identity to monger.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2223306]After Steven's experience, I will never use a wechat tied to my identity to monger.[/QUOTE]When I used Steven's service, I called from the hotel. I gave my room number and name. I left 2 days later so the risk was limited to whatever notes they took to give the girl. I had asked steven if them kept customer records back then. He said they did not. I never asked if the girls kept the data somehow.

Luckily for me, I tend to be paranoid when mongering.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2223288]SamCan I was there this Sunday around 8 pm and both places were closed and did appear they might open later in the night. I posted a couple of days back to clarify.

Can you please throw some light.[/QUOTE]Neither place has girls until at least 9:30. They may be open at 9 but it's just bartenders and waiters. The best time to show up is 10 pm and pick a girl by midnite. That is prime pickings. After that, 1;30- 2 am is when recycles start if you missed the girl the first time, she's back for round 2.

I have heard that 430 am is discount time where the desperate girls drop their prices. I never thought it was worth hanging around until then for 200-300 RMB discount. Last time I was there at 3 am (looking for my own second round LOL), the girls (I guess) had already made their money of their first john. Not many were willing to drop and frankly wanted more than prime time.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2223460]Neither place has girls until at least 9:30. They may be open at 9 but it's just bartenders and waiters. The best time to show up is 10 pm and pick a girl by midnite. That is prime pickings. After that, 1;30- 2 am is when recycles start if you missed the girl the first time, she's back for round 2.

I have heard that 430 am is discount time where the desperate girls drop their prices. I never thought it was worth hanging around until then for 200-300 RMB discount. Last time I was there at 3 am (looking for my own second round LOL), the girls (I guess) had already made their money of their first john. Not many were willing to drop and frankly wanted more than prime time.[/QUOTE]I have always hit it around 11 and it is packed. Definitely don't bother before 10.

Scanned the past threads and planning to head over to Spring at Maoming tomorrow. Notes well taken, 328 RMB outside and then going to trying my luck inside. Just curious, do they offer any selection?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2223460]Neither place has girls until at least 9:30. They may be open at 9 but it's just bartenders and waiters. The best time to show up is 10 pm and pick a girl by midnite. That is prime pickings. After that, 1;30- 2 am is when recycles start if you missed the girl the first time, she's back for round 2.

I have heard that 430 am is discount time where the desperate girls drop their prices. I never thought it was worth hanging around until then for 200-300 RMB discount. Last time I was there at 3 am (looking for my own second round LOL), the girls (I guess) had already made their money of their first john. Not many were willing to drop and frankly wanted more than prime time.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Then it is my bad that I landed up early on Sunday. Perhaps I will go around later on my next visit. I am now back in SG.

In other news, yesterday (my last night on this trip) was pretty good. I was at the Northern end of the Bund for a couple of drinks with an old pal around 10 pm. When my friend went to take a leak, I looked at people nearby on WeChat and fired off quite a few greetings. Of the several that responded, one girl named Elektra took my fancy and I asked her directly if she wanted to have some fun. She replied with a yes, so I told her I need at least another hour before I could meet her. She said she was happy to wait. So I finished my little catch-up with my friend and then called her. She answered almost immediately. She spoke reasonably good English and was happy to come and meet for a drink and talk things over.

Within the next 30 minutes she was at the agreed rendezvous point. Cute thing, no more than 5'4", definitely not PRC, hair dyed blonde and all other parts of interest in good proportion. Turns out she is Indonesian of Chinese descent, working in Shanghai and moonlighting as a WG. The conversation moved swiftly to matters of importance. She wanted RMB 1200 for 3 hours. I told her I will give her RMB 1000 if she stays till morning and if her service is good then another RMB 200 as a tip. She haggled but I stuck to my offer. In the end she saw that this was the best she would get out of me and she agreed.

Back to the hotel around 12.30 am. Absolutely no issues with her attitude or service. Did everything I wanted. I think I fell asleep by 2. 30 am. Woke around 6 am and went to town again, but this time I did not last too long. But Elektra would have none of that shit. She took it upon herself to get me hard again with a real good BBBJ. And this time she expertly rode me CG and kept at it till I exploded. Real good show. I would say she really earned that RMB 200 tip. So I actually gave her another RMB 100, totaling my damages to RMB 1300. Went for my meetings with bloodshot eyes. Slept on the flight back to SG.

Should be back in November. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2223745]Thanks. Then it is my bad that I landed up early on Sunday. Perhaps I will go around later on my next visit. I am now back in SG.

In other news, yesterday (my last night on this trip) was pretty good. I was at the Northern end of the Bund for a couple of drinks with an old pal around 10 pm. When my friend went to take a leak, I looked at people nearby on WeChat and fired off quite a few greetings. Of the several that responded, one girl named Elektra took my fancy and I asked her directly if she wanted to have some fun. She replied with a yes, so I told her I need at least another hour before I could meet her. She said she was happy to wait. So I finished my little catch-up with my friend and then called her. She answered almost immediately. She spoke reasonably good English and was happy to come and meet for a drink and talk things over.

Within the next 30 minutes she was at the agreed rendezvous point. Cute thing, no more than 5'4", definitely not PRC, hair dyed blonde and all other parts of interest in good proportion. Turns out she is Indonesian of Chinese descent, working in Shanghai and moonlighting as a WG. The conversation moved swiftly to matters of importance. She wanted RMB 1200 for 3 hours. I told her I will give her RMB 1000 if she stays till morning and if her service is good then another RMB 200 as a tip. She haggled but I stuck to my offer. In the end she saw that this was the best she would get out of me and she agreed.

Back to the hotel around 12.30 am. Absolutely no issues with her attitude or service. Did everything I wanted. I think I fell asleep by 2. 30 am. Woke around 6 am and went to town again, but this time I did not last too long. But Elektra would have none of that shit. She took it upon herself to get me hard again with a real good BBBJ. And this time she expertly rode me CG and kept at it till I exploded. Real good show. I would say she really earned that RMB 200 tip. So I actually gave her another RMB 100, totaling my damages to RMB 1300. Went for my meetings with bloodshot eyes. Slept on the flight back to SG.

Should be back in November. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Nice! Do t you love it? Finding a gem like that makes it all worth it. They DO exist!

Long time reader, and haven't had much to add so I haven't. I have been to Shanghai 4 or 5 times over the last two years going again next week. I have kinda settled into a routine of Manhattans / Judy's, pick one, with Mediocre results. A few good experiences most not so great. Looking to break out of the mold. I have also tried SeekingArrangement in Shanghai with no great results (had really great luck in Tokyo with it though), the few I met were seriously not as described and had a price tag on them of a Manhattan model.). Wondering if there are any place that midweek would have some "Semi-Pros", In the old days Zapatas was a hot spot for this, but not so much now. Xian Tan Di, also back in the day was good but no longer. Bar Rouge isn't the answer. How about Mint (I know I spelled it wrong). Where else advice would be appreciated.

At Blanquiceleste that bar on the north end of the Bund sounds like a good place to fish WeChat, which hasnt worked for me yet. Do you recall the name?

Also, I really like Russians, anywhere to get them in Shanghai? I know etiquette says to eat local but most of what I have had is Vietnamese, Mongolian, etc so.

I will post the results of my expeditions this trip.

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2224262]Long time reader, and haven't had much to add so I haven't. I have been to Shanghai 4 or 5 times over the last two years going again next week. I have kinda settled into a routine of Manhattans / Judy's, pick one, with Mediocre results. A few good experiences most not so great. Looking to break out of the mold. I have also tried SeekingArrangement in Shanghai with no great results (had really great luck in Tokyo with it though), the few I met were seriously not as described and had a price tag on them of a Manhattan model.). Wondering if there are any place that midweek would have some "Semi-Pros", In the old days Zapatas was a hot spot for this, but not so much now. Xian Tan Di, also back in the day was good but no longer. Bar Rouge isn't the answer. How about Mint (I know I spelled it wrong). Where else advice would be appreciated.

At Blanquiceleste that bar on the north end of the Bund sounds like a good place to fish WeChat, which hasnt worked for me yet. Do you recall the name?

Also, I really like Russians, anywhere to get them in Shanghai? I know etiquette says to eat local but most of what I have had is Vietnamese, Mongolian, etc so.

I will post the results of my expeditions this trip.[/QUOTE]I too am running out of supply in Shanghai. I recently reconnected with Rain, who I hate, LOL, but I saw that she had some new talent so I swallowed my pride and contacted her. But I wouldn't recommend this, because there's always a chance that she may eventually suffer the same fate as Steven of SNG. Lately, I've been going to MPs off the beaten path, and have been collecting the girl's WeChat. Then later I contact them to meet outside. Half the girls are aghast, or give me the run around, but I have had success with the other half, because they are desperate for money. The fact that they are not exactly pros is kind of a turn on. As for J and M, SamCan is the expert of course. He seems to love it. I used to do a lot of takeout in Singapore (Brix and Ipanema), and so I know the drill, and the ups and downs, so I can understand that you're not thrilled with your experiences with it. Regarding WeChat search, Blanquiceleste got kind of lucky. The consensus on here is that WeChat search is a waste of time for several reasons. I tried to too, with results that varied so much that I eventually decided it wasn't worth it. There are saunas operating secretly, but I haven't tried them yet. Prices seem high, and I'm a bit afraid of a raid. There are indies on NLO, the resurrection of SNG, and you asked about Russians, well, there are Russians on there sometimes. Not now, but maybe they will be back in town when you're in town. Finally, regarding SA, I also tried that, and banged over 20 non-pro girls using it, but after a year and a half, I quit. If you want to know why, then check out my comments in the Singapore thread under the Seeking Arrangements thread. Anyway, hope some of this helps. Good luck, report, and stay safe.

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2224262]At Blanquiceleste that bar on the north end of the Bund sounds like a good place to fish WeChat, which hasnt worked for me yet. Do you recall the name?[/QUOTE]I was at VUE. You can't miss that one.

But as Midwestern points out, I really think I got lucky. Over the years, WeChat has never worked well for me, so this time when it did I was pleasantly surprised, so much so that I wrote a report. I also wrote a report on finding a girl through Tantan, which is also new for me.

Of course YMMV.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2224314] As for J and M, SamCan is the expert of course. He seems to love it. I used to do a lot of takeout in Singapore (Brix and Ipanema), and so I know the drill, and the ups and downs, so I can understand that you're not thrilled with your experiences with it. [/QUOTE]

Saunas have always scared me and I used SNG in the past. i knew Steven well and we spoke a lot. I have a good feeling about NLO as an option but I have heard Rain has outed a few mongers and for me that won't work..

I find J / M to meet my needs and be the safest option. There is no 3rd party relaying and having my info. I stay at the Portman 1-2 blocks away. I can pick the girl walk to the hotel and go back after for a beer or a second round with another girl depending on what I am up for. I have gotten better determining what girl will be fun or what girl will be less fun. My last trip I pulled one girl that wasn't great from Manhattans. The rest were ok to great.

I've pulled some girls from MPs that has been fun as well.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2224314]I too am running out of supply in Shanghai. I recently reconnected with Rain, who I hate, LOL, but I saw that she had some new talent so I swallowed my pride and contacted her. But I wouldn't recommend this, because there's always a chance that she may eventually suffer the same fate as Steven of SNG. Lately, I've been going to MPs off the beaten path, and have been collecting the girl's WeChat. Then later I contact them to meet outside. Half the girls are aghast, or give me the run around, but I have had success with the other half, because they are desperate for money. The fact that they are not exactly pros is kind of a turn on. As for J and M, SamCan is the expert of course. He seems to love it. I used to do a lot of takeout in Singapore (Brix and Ipanema), and so I know the drill, and the ups and downs, so I can understand that you're not thrilled with your experiences with it. Regarding WeChat search, Blanquiceleste got kind of lucky. The consensus on here is that WeChat search is a waste of time for several reasons. I tried to too, with results that varied so much that I eventually decided it wasn't worth it. There are saunas operating secretly, but I haven't tried them yet. Prices seem high, and I'm a bit afraid of a raid. There are indies on NLO, the resurrection of SNG, and you asked about Russians, well, there are Russians on there sometimes. Not now, but maybe they will be back in town when you're in town. Finally, regarding SA, I also tried that, and banged over 20 non-pro girls using it, but after a year and a half, I quit. If you want to know why, then check out my comments in the Singapore thread under the Seeking Arrangements thread. Anyway, hope some of this helps. Good luck, report, and stay safe.[/QUOTE]The general trend in China is not good. Crackdowns and tightening up in all aspect of society. Foreigners were given privileges that Chinese citizens do not enjoy and hence there are the likes of J and M and SNG. SNG is down. One can see the future of J and M. Maggie's is still going (is Chocolate back to the normal operation?) but not like the old days. This is it. It is all part of the big communist party plot. I would enjoy while I can but turn my attention somewhere else too.

I appreciate the advice. On the way in will be in town just Tuesday night, then out to Beilun for 2 weeks, will have a few more days on the flipside. The only scene in Beilun are KTVs and they are stupid expensive. In Shanghai I usually stay at the Marriott Center City due to its proximity to subways, would love the Portman but its over the expense account. I think I am going to give Zapatas a shot for Taco Tuesday, and then perhaps the Pig or the spot. I think I saw some free lancers in there one trip, and one I really wanted but she didn't seem interested in me. (me early 50's,reasonable shape, with a little game). Not in to paying stupid amounts for tail. And frankly China is starting to get stupid. Last summer was in Manhattan quite a bit and SA was giving me enthusiastic models for $300, not eastern Europe but not $250 for an unenthusiastic Viet. I will be starting projects in Argentina (which has mixed reviews, but googling looks pretty reasonable), and Thailand, which also sounds like its on the downhill run. Have never hit Pattaya.

I appreciate it the advice on the Vue that will get worked into the plans.

Why have I never seen anyone report on their experiences with Kaitexi? They advertise in classifieds all the time. Maybe I should take one for the team, but someone on here must already have some useful intel.

I posted 6 months or so ago about a MP on Fahuazhen near. It's hard to find (I recall Midwestern had a problem finding), as there isn't an obvious sign. Address is 869, I think. Not marked, but 867 is next door. A door with a guy behind a desk, not visible from the street.

Massages at 279 and 369; 369 includes he with girl nude and body rub. Rooms have a shower and are relatively clean.

The girls are variable quality. Seem to be country girls with baby damage. I've been there maybe 6 times. Of these, only 1 did not offer FS and she had excellent other skills. Today girl offered FS, but prices seem to have gone up. Couldn't get her off 500, where early this year got 300 without much negotiation.

Girl today was friendly, nice smile. But not much of a looker. Maybe a "4". Decent skills. OK personality. No. 3.

Massage was OK, if not very long. Was in and out (including a shower) in 45 minutes. A good place for a short time.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2227399]I posted 6 months or so ago about a MP on Fahuazhen near. It's hard to find (I recall Midwestern had a problem finding), as there isn't an obvious sign. Address is 869, I think. Not marked, but 867 is next door. A door with a guy behind a desk, not visible from the street.

Massages at 279 and 369; 369 includes he with girl nude and body rub. Rooms have a shower and are relatively clean.

The girls are variable quality. Seem to be country girls with baby damage. I've been there maybe 6 times. Of these, only 1 did not offer FS and she had excellent other skills. Today girl offered FS, but prices seem to have gone up. Couldn't get her off 500, where early this year got 300 without much negotiation.

Girl today was friendly, nice smile. But not much of a looker. Maybe a "4". Decent skills. OK personality. No. 3.

Massage was OK, if not very long. Was in and out (including a shower) in 45 minutes. A good place for a short time.[/QUOTE]My contacts are complaining about needing customers and needing money. Just start saying no to higher prices. I've spoiled my regulars, so I'd like to have alternatives. A rub and tug is better than FS, depending on a worker's skill and experience. The next time you arrive she might go down in price, not wanting to lose the money.

Hit Shanghai and took the maglev in, this time tried the subway to people's square. Was much quicker than a cab. I had a few saved wechat addresses from my last trip and seeking arrangement tried one, and started a chat but she was non committal. So headed out to Zapatas one of my old stomping grounds from years gone by that used to have semi pros in abundance. This Tuesday night non were present but there was a large crowd of western college chick's enjoying the taco buffet and bottomless margaritas. Would highly recommend the food and hooch for 30 bucks. But I wanted a playmate was just getting ready to head to the pig, when wechat range and my polish model decided to play. Had a nice although expensive time with her. Noticed that the Marriott bar had a couple of free Lancers in it which is a first. Also the number of hustlers on Nanjing road was way down perhaps due to being Tuesday night. Cab situation is horrible, all off meter and hard to get at that. I think I am going to have to sign up for didi. About it. More on my return trip and perhaps a Beilun report.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;2227399]I posted 6 months or so ago about a MP on Fahuazhen near. It's hard to find (I recall Midwestern had a problem finding), as there isn't an obvious sign. Address is 869, I think. Not marked, but 867 is next door. A door with a guy behind a desk, not visible from the street.

Massages at 279 and 369; 369 includes he with girl nude and body rub. Rooms have a shower and are relatively clean.

The girls are variable quality. Seem to be country girls with baby damage. I've been there maybe 6 times. Of these, only 1 did not offer FS and she had excellent other skills. Today girl offered FS, but prices seem to have gone up. Couldn't get her off 500, where early this year got 300 without much negotiation.

Girl today was friendly, nice smile. But not much of a looker. Maybe a "4". Decent skills. OK personality. No. 3.

Massage was OK, if not very long. Was in and out (including a shower) in 45 minutes. A good place for a short time.[/QUOTE]I still cannot find that place, but I've been busy with other gals. Regarding price, I think 500 for FS is quite reasonable. These MPs that offer FS by providers that are 3's and 4's are really only two notches above a BBS, IMHO. Before the crackdown, I was able to pay 400 tip for FS at many places. So, 500 tip post-crackdown is reasonable. That said, my goal would be to do each provider one time, and then never go back. First time with almost anyone is good for me, even with 3's and 4's, as I like strange (this means new pussy for those unfamiliar with the lingo). BTW, I am impressed that you can call a spade a spade. I am so tired of people saying that place XYZ has 7's and 8's. It is just not possible that so many places have gals that are 7's and 8's.

Got to see Cathy on my last trip, last month. She is always learning new tricks that can make life very enjoyable. For all you guys that haven't had the pleasure, you should try her, you will get hooked on her.

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2227832]Hit Shanghai and took the maglev in, this time tried the subway to people's square. Was much quicker than a cab. I had a few saved wechat addresses from my last trip and seeking arrangement tried one, and started a chat but she was non committal. So headed out to Zapatas one of my old stomping grounds from years gone by that used to have semi pros in abundance. This Tuesday night non were present but there was a large crowd of western college chick's enjoying the taco buffet and bottomless margaritas. Would highly recommend the food and hooch for 30 bucks. But I wanted a playmate was just getting ready to head to the pig, when wechat range and my polish model decided to play. Had a nice although expensive time with her. Noticed that the Marriott bar had a couple of free Lancers in it which is a first. Also the number of hustlers on Nanjing road was way down perhaps due to being Tuesday night. Cab situation is horrible, all off meter and hard to get at that. I think I am going to have to sign up for didi. About it. More on my return trip and perhaps a Beilun report.[/QUOTE]Your reference to Zapatas reminded me of times past. Used to be Wednesdays and Saturdays for pros there. Also. Has anyone been to Paulaner in Xintiandi recently? Normally a handful of semi-pros working there weekends, but I haven't been in there in maybe 2 years.

Regarding taxis. Definitely need to go Didi. Too difficult flagging on the street during normal hours.

Hi,

I'll be at the hotel Equatorial next Friday. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for great MPs nearby? Looking for something that's maybe open late on Friday and walking distance. I don't speak Chinese.

Thanks in advance.

I have now been turned down at 2ST hotels recently. The last time I was turned down at a ST hotel was during the crackdown. So I am thinking about using Airbnb, which is operating in many big cities in China, including Shanghai. Some of these places don't even require a face-to-face check-in. They have key-coded locks. And they are cheap. Anyone have any experience with using Airbnb to rendezvous with WGs? Any catches, warnings, risks, suggestions? I know there are local Chinese apps doing the same thing, but I want to stick to Airbnb because it's in English and I trust Airbnb. Thanks, bros.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2229964]I have now been turned down at 2ST hotels recently. The last time I was turned down at a ST hotel was during the crackdown. So I am thinking about using Airbnb, which is operating in many big cities in China, including Shanghai. Some of these places don't even require a face-to-face check-in. They have key-coded locks. And they are cheap. Anyone have any experience with using Airbnb to rendezvous with WGs? Any catches, warnings, risks, suggestions? I know there are local Chinese apps doing the same thing, but I want to stick to Airbnb because it's in English and I trust Airbnb. Thanks, bros.[/QUOTE]I've used them both in Beijing and Shanghai. For shanghai I've only used it with a regular but Beijing I used it with a random wg. Most the time the airbnb hosts don't live close by so it isn't a problem and they don't really ask questions. Problem with airbnb is some places are hard to find and pictures can be deceiving sometimes. Some are not as big as it appears or not as clean and beds are obviously not the hotel quality. Another big issue is since it doesn't tell you exactly where the location is you can end up in a very inconvenient place, thin walls or a lot of neighbors. In my experience it is better to book a larger apartment or house as smaller apartments you'll be able to hear the neighbors and they will of course be able to hear you.

Most the time you will only meet the host when you arrive if the place is hard to find or you need to get a key.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2230005]I've used them both in Beijing and Shanghai. For shanghai I've only used it with a regular but Beijing I used it with a random wg. Most the time the airbnb hosts don't live close by so it isn't a problem and they don't really ask questions. Problem with airbnb is some places are hard to find and pictures can be deceiving sometimes. Some are not as big as it appears or not as clean and beds are obviously not the hotel quality. Another big issue is since it doesn't tell you exactly where the location is you can end up in a very inconvenient place, thin walls or a lot of neighbors. In my experience it is better to book a larger apartment or house as smaller apartments you'll be able to hear the neighbors and they will of course be able to hear you.

Most the time you will only meet the host when you arrive if the place is hard to find or you need to get a key.[/QUOTE]Great insights! Thanks, Boag. I will try it out. I notice that many places are offered by 3rd party service providers. For example, when I did some searching, I found that there was a service provider who was renting rooms on behalf of about 20 room / apt / home owners. They look like they know how to run a business and so this may help with quality of experience and place. But I will find out. Thanks again, Boag.

[QUOTE=BoyWonder69;2229050]Hi,

I'll be at the hotel Equatorial next Friday. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for great MPs nearby? Looking for something that's maybe open late on Friday and walking distance. I don't speak Chinese. [/QUOTE]There used to be a couple of places in the lane behind the Equatorial and one of them offered some pretty good spinners offering a cat rub followed by FS for ¥500. But they're closed now and the lane is part of a 2-3 star hotel. I've been tempted to go explore inside the new hotel because this is the kind of place within which all these MPs have moved. Do go in an explore and let us know.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2220893]Wouldn't the new Sauna that operate out of a rotating set of hotel rooms be more safe?

Always moving from location to location, under radar, hotel likes the $ and if totally discrete no complaints from guest far safer too?

I fancying trying one and getting to see before I buy, LOL.[/QUOTE]I've used these a couple of times now and had very good service! The contact will generally meet you at a convenience store near by and take you into the hotel or to the floor that they've occupied. Then they'll get you to choose. Sorry no gold fosh bowl with lights and music! But good eye to eye contact with the spinners!

Cat rub is vertical in the bath tub! So not great! Prices are higher, all the services are the same. Just try to make sure that the room is clean and has fresh towels!

[QUOTE=Boag11;2230005]I've used them both in Beijing and Shanghai. For shanghai I've only used it with a regular but Beijing I used it with a random wg. Most the time the airbnb hosts don't live close by so it isn't a problem and they don't really ask questions. Problem with airbnb is some places are hard to find and pictures can be deceiving sometimes. Some are not as big as it appears or not as clean and beds are obviously not the hotel quality. Another big issue is since it doesn't tell you exactly where the location is you can end up in a very inconvenient place, thin walls or a lot of neighbors. In my experience it is better to book a larger apartment or house as smaller apartments you'll be able to hear the neighbors and they will of course be able to hear you.

Most the time you will only meet the host when you arrive if the place is hard to find or you need to get a key.[/QUOTE]I would advise against it. Who know what hidden cams the landlord may have concealed. There is no concept of privacy in China.

First off, just wanted to everyone who has been posting in the last few months. I'm coming to Shanghai next week and this thread has been invaluable. Planning to try out M and Js. Was thinking of Rain, but I hit her up yesterday asking what the specials were and she was super pushy and blocked me cause I did't repsond in time. So I guess that's a no go. I'll try NLO when I touch down. I'll be posting reports of each of the nights I go out so I can contribute.

I've spent the last few months building relationships with girls at massage parlors. Regular visits, consistent tips and a smiling demeanor has served me well.

The first place (reviewed here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=2171849&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2171849) is inexpensive, and spartan. A foot massage is 60, full body (no oil) is also 60. There are 3 ladies, all have (surreptitiously) given me handjobs, and I round off the bill to 100 if I am only getting one of the massages+he, or 200 if I'm getting both+he. There is one short haired lady who now regularly gives me a BBBJ w / CIM, and I push the total up to 300 for the massage+BJ.

The second location (details here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=2183154&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2183154) is 188 for full body oil massage including a handjob (I round it off to 200), and the one lady I've been working on, now gives me a blowjob too and I pay 300 for the full body oil massage and CIM.

My point is, there are willing providers everywhere. Just need to take a little time and let them get familiar with you. .

[QUOTE=RobSH;2230204]I would advise against it. Who know what hidden cams the landlord may have concealed. There is no concept of privacy in China.[/QUOTE]This is a good point.

A few experiences I would like to share from the site Massage Republic. Had a visit from Kaory, in my hotel. A mature Colombian lady, at least her fotos were accurate. In her add it was 1500 including owo. Did some weChatting, where she started at 2000. We agreed on 1500 plus taxi, still overpriced. Other than her add: owo was only after extra payment. Kind of kills the encounter. Not a repeat business.

From Massage Republic I tried as well 'Pretty Mature Lady', again a miss match. Hardly any English, massage was all right, sex was not with the details that we agreed on: no CIM etc.

The only good deals I found were in Manhattan and Judys, you get to talk to the girls first, then negotiate the details and usually they keep their word. Most of the girls are from VietNam. My taste is more for the older ladies, but are hard to find.

I was in Shanghai 2 weeks back, staying in a hotel near Peoples Square. I went to Judy's and Manhattan on a couple of nights. Manhattan was crowded as usual with some very nice lookers and very loud. So, I ended up in Judy's for a more relaxed evening. After looking around for a while, I met Jeny. She had been standing in a corner by herself and was shy to approach anyone. After hanging out in the bar for some time, settled on 1200 for LT. Jeny is from Hanoi and was on her 2nd monthly tour of Shanghai. We had a really good time back in the hotel and she left around 9 am. I went back to Judy's a second time and met Jeny again and we repeated. I also found a regular date through Badoo, an office worker from Philippines, on my last evening in Shanghai for a very nice dinner and walk around the Bund. I am in touch with her since and I should have some interesting company for my next trip to Shanghai. I also tried to reach Sun, recommended on this board, but she had gone back to Vietnam when I contacted her.

I'm about to do what most of my well off Chinese friends have done and do. It's to have a mistress. This involves paying for her housing of course. And a monthly stipend too. I've done this before in the states, but never in China. Any advice and suggestions, especially from those with experience, would be highly appreciated. And before you tell me that pussy is pussy and that I should not do this, well, I actually like her. Long legs. Let's me do bareback. And provides almost genuine GFE. So. Call me whipped.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2230690]I'm about to do what most of my well off Chinese friends have done and do. It's to have a mistress. This involves paying for her housing of course. And a monthly stipend too. I've done this before in the states, but never in China. Any advice and suggestions, especially from those with experience, would be highly appreciated. And before you tell me that pussy is pussy and that I should not do this, well, I actually like her. Long legs. Let's me do bareback. And provides almost genuine GFE. So. Call me whipped.[/QUOTE]I was here with a massage girl before I got serious about WG. I used to be in SH every other month. It was great, I enjoyed it. I had someone to show me around, be my interpreter, teach me chinese and go on trips over night when I travelled. Many times she would travel alone and meet me at my business hotel if I was travelling with colleagues. It, did however, cost me more than I ever imagined (it never seems to stop with just the agreed amounts). There are of course gifts, needs not defined at the time. . "all the other boyfriends do this, why you not give me for that?

I still miss her as I actually cared for her but she was Hell girl (as I called her many times) and I am also so glad to be free of her. I was addicted to that 24 YO pussy (I was 48) and it took me not letting her know when I was returning to shanghai to finally break free.

YMMV, it was an experience I am glad I had but not one I would want to repeat.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2230690]I'm about to do what most of my well off Chinese friends have done and do. It's to have a mistress. This involves paying for her housing of course. And a monthly stipend too. I've done this before in the states, but never in China. Any advice and suggestions, especially from those with experience, would be highly appreciated. And before you tell me that pussy is pussy and that I should not do this, well, I actually like her. Long legs. Let's me do bareback. And provides almost genuine GFE. So. Call me whipped.[/QUOTE]Its your money, don't worry about what others say. I have done this with three different Chinese women and a Mongolian (not at the same time, LOL). The Mongolian didn't last long because she couldn't handle money. Two of the Chinese women got dumped after awhile because they started acting like wives. The third Chinese woman I still send money too every now and then because I really like traveling with her and she is fun to be with. Not a great looker, but has a great body and likes sex. I use PayPal to send money. The Chinese government is regularly changing the rules and recently my friend had to start putting her PayPal money in an account separate from the one her regular paycheck goes into. Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

I use to use SNG but obviously don't anymore. I keep seeing NLO, call me naive, but what site is that? I am still pretty green on China as most my knowledge and experience is from other countries. I am thinking about heading back up to Shanghai for a few days and will probably hit up M and J, but was looking to explore other options. Thanks for the help.

FLT.

Hi,

Been residing around the World for years, resided in Shanghai about 5 years ago. Wow, amazing so long ago now.

Anyway, was obviously fun there in some ways and I like pretty, light skinned Chinese girls a lot and may choose one to marry someday.

Anyway, deciding between the next 2 months in shanghai and Hangzhou or Hanoi or Chiang mai.

I prefer clean light skinned girls and prefer natural (unpaid) sex and dating. (Not the sugardaddy style dating either).

Rent budget is about 20-23 maximum daily.

Which of those three areas is optimal? I speak some Mandarin, although not much Thai or Vietnamese.

Also prefer safe clean places. (Talking about the general area).

Thanks in advance for useful recommendations! Sitting in a hotel in Taipei now. Has been a slow process figuring out how to get the cutest girls in bed here.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2230690]I'm about to do what most of my well off Chinese friends have done and do. It's to have a mistress. This involves paying for her housing of course. And a monthly stipend too. I've done this before in the states, but never in China. Any advice and suggestions, especially from those with experience, would be highly appreciated. And before you tell me that pussy is pussy and that I should not do this, well, I actually like her. Long legs. Let's me do bareback. And provides almost genuine GFE. So. Call me whipped.[/QUOTE]I currently have one on the side. Before you commit, a few factors you might want to consider. If you haven't started paying her rent or have given her any stipend yet, is it because money is a factor? Will you have a problem spoiling her by giving her things she asks for? Do you expect her to be exclusive only to you and be upset if you find our she isn't? If you answer yes to any of the questions, I suggest you strongly mull it over.

Granted, not all females are materialistic and I don't know to what extent your relationship is, but mistresses generally equates to moolah. There is no buyers remorse. You should be well off financially and money shouldn't be a problem when it comes to having a mistress. If it is, then don't do it. Nothing worse than worrying financially just to keep her around.

K.

[QUOTE=FLT09;2230875]I use to use SNG but obviously don't anymore. I keep seeing NLO, call me naive, but what site is that? I am still pretty green on China as most my knowledge and experience is from other countries. I am thinking about heading back up to Shanghai for a few days and will probably hit up M and J, but was looking to explore other options. Thanks for the help.

FLT.[/QUOTE]Nightlife Online is someone trying to fill the void that SNG left behind after Steven and his operators got arrested and jailed. The NLO owner thinks he has learned from Steven's mistakes. And he was able to recruit some of SNG's gals. As with SNG, he had gals that were indies and gals that used the operator. However, recently, he only has indies. You can find their site in classifieds.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2230696]I was here with a massage girl before I got serious about WG. I used to be in SH every other month. It was great, I enjoyed it. I had someone to show me around, be my interpreter, teach me chinese and go on trips over night when I travelled. Many times she would travel alone and meet me at my business hotel if I was travelling with colleagues. It, did however, cost me more than I ever imagined (it never seems to stop with just the agreed amounts). There are of course gifts, needs not defined at the time. . "all the other boyfriends do this, why you not give me for that?

I still miss her as I actually cared for her but she was Hell girl (as I called her many times) and I am also so glad to be free of her. I was addicted to that 24 YO pussy (I was 48) and it took me not letting her know when I was returning to shanghai to finally break free.

YMMV, it was an experience I am glad I had but not one I would want to repeat.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insights. Sounds like you had a GF in SH. I had those too when I was in BJ. But this time I am thinking about going straightforward er nai experience and do the arrangement thing. But I will proceed with caution. Still haven't decided yet.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2231089]Thanks for the insights. Sounds like you had a GF in SH. I had those too when I was in BJ. But this time I am thinking about going straightforward er nai experience and do the arrangement thing. But I will proceed with caution. Still haven't decided yet.[/QUOTE]No experience here, but don't you run the risk that your 'exclusive' lady will run some side-business (QQ is easy to do for them, flexible hours and no house rules etc).

Which brings me to QQ: have been trying the QQ world this Summer and have to say that in the current Shanghai environment (no saunas etc) its can give some good relief! The logistics are also not so complicated as I first thought (after reading der Xie's report a few months back. Thanks). But as always there are pros and cons: heavily photoshopped pics, often crappy apartments and low hygiene (vs regular Spas etc). On the bright side: lots of girls who rotate a lot, set prices (no haggling etc), FS always included. Have a try!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2230690]I'm about to do what most of my well off Chinese friends have done and do. It's to have a mistress. This involves paying for her housing of course. And a monthly stipend too. I've done this before in the states, but never in China. Any advice and suggestions, especially from those with experience, would be highly appreciated. And before you tell me that pussy is pussy and that I should not do this, well, I actually like her. Long legs. Let's me do bareback. And provides almost genuine GFE. So. Call me whipped.[/QUOTE]If you only see her a few times per week, she will work on the side. You could probably avoid that by paying an outrageously high stipend, but otherwise she will no doubt supplement her income. If you're OK with that, no problem. You could also allow her to do it but take a cut.

There is an MP girl that I like. Looks are only so-so. But she is tall, and so she has great long legs. And she likes DFK, DATY, and let's me bareback her. It took me months before she finally agreed to meet for sex. So, I feel like she is only shagging me. Anyway, her boss recently moved her to his other MP, which is a veggie place, LOLOL. So, she is complaining about the money. She used to make 20,000 rmb per month giving he massages, but now she cannot even get a tip, and besides, who goes to a veggie place that often? So, she wants to meet me more often, which is great for me. We have been meeting at ST hotels, but they are getting harder for me to sneak in to. I am a foreigner, so I am not allowed to book a ST hotel. For example, I cannot even book a room at a Hanting Hotel, even though I have told them many times that I am allowed to do so, because I have a resident permit. And regardless, she is also starting to tire of sneaking around, as she was starting to become known at one ST place, and I don't blame her. So, I thought about airbnb, and Boag11 gave me some nice pointers, but RobSH pointed out that some of these places may have hidden cameras, and I am sure he is right. Doesn't take much to set that up, especially given that Chinese are so tech savvy (and pervvy). So then I started thinking about renting a room for her and making her my er nai. SamCam pointed out that it may become old and not end well, and he is right of course, and even though AggieDad was supportive of this er nai idea, as he has done it successfully, but Keric333 warns me that it could cost me a lot. I was thinking that it may only cost me 5 k in monthly rent and 10 k in monthly allowance, but now that I think about it, maybe I am greatly underestimating the costs. Finally, I think Changlelu and The Guy are spot on correct that eventually, she will start to rent her pussy out to others, especially once she finds out that I will never spend the night. I'd feel like a fucking fool if I was helping her fuck other guys on my nickel!

So, what should I do? For now, I am going to ask her to book 4 star hotel rooms and stay 2 nights. She will check in after she gets off work, and then I will fuck her all next day, and then she can check out the following day and go to work. I figure, this seems safe. I thought about doing this with 2 star hotels, but I am risk averse. Many reliable punters (and even WGs) have told me it is riskier to meet WGs at low star hotels than high star hotels. This should be quite safe, right? You may wonder why I don't book the rooms. Well, it is hard to explain. For one, my work schedule is erratic, but I also don't want any record of my being at any hotel, if I can help it.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. Any insights or suggestions regarding any of the above would be great. And before you tell that I should just fuck other WGs, well, I already do. Thanks, bros.

It seems the real problem you have is having a place to do the deed. Seems simple enough. Since you have a resident card, rent a furnished apartment and have it be your phuck pad. May be a waste if you when you use it but it seems that might be your better alternative then looking around for hotels. In my opinion, this is a better way of having your money used than giving it to her as a stipend. You can also bring other girls there as well.

K.

Midwestern,

How about you get a service apartment for yourself? Keep the keys to yourself, invite her whenever you want and you could still use it with others. Remember that WG's see you mainly as an ATM, and so does your girl as you noted in your post "So, she is complaining about the money. She used to make 20,000 rmb per month giving he massages, but now she cannot even get a tip, and besides, who goes to a veggie place that often? So, she wants to meet me more often, which is great for me. " My guess is she will be looking to you for that 20 K per month.

Hi Midwestern,

Seems your mental dilemma caused a lot of vibe here.

Just would like to throw in a few more points:

- with an er nai set up you are more or less 'forced' to recoup your investment by going often, say 3-4 times a week, which might be inconvenient given other work / private commitments. But also, it will quickly get stale and feel like some kind of regular relationship. During the height of the crackdown last year I basically went to see my regular (in her workplace) 3 times a week. Service was good but since I did not want to explore other options (dangerous and little available at the time anyway) this regularity was kind of killing. And that was while not having to pay for an apartment etc, so I was quite free from a financial point of view. After a few months I reduced the frequency and started to venture out again (see my QQ comments earlier). They noticed my lower frequency and are asking what happened (ATM feeling). Just told them that I am traveling a lot this year.

- Try to avoid renting ST hotel in your name, while not sure if the hotels duly register these ST events with LE (as for real overnight stays), but how are you going to explain that a resident laowai is renting ST hotel rooms. Sure you can argue that she is your girlfriend etc and that both of you can not meet at home (like a lot of married Chinese lovebirds) but this is not something you should want. Always have the girl renting the room in her name and the hotel should not bother.

Cheers.

Since this is the current topic, I guess I'll share what I've been doing and how I've been handling it.

First off, I would like to clarify that I'm single and I wouldn't consider this an mistress situation. I currently stay in Shanghai for the most part but I often travel back and forth from Guangzhou. There's a chick who lives in Guangzhou that I'm fond of. I found her a place and currently pay her rent (6500). We have an understanding that I stay there whenever I'm in Guangzhou. No other men are to stay there as well or at least don't let me catch whiff of it. I give a little something every month to the complex security to keep an eye on her for me. I've told her it's fine if she hooks up with other men as long as it's not in our apartment because honestly, there's no way of stopping her if she wanted to. It's too much of a hassle to be of a control freak.

Every month, I send her 5000 plus gifts from wherever I've been, which isn't too much. So basically, I'm paying for her to house sit the apartment and for her time whenever I head to Guangzhou. She would also fly here to shanghai whenever I ask her to if I needed her companionship.

I don't know if this is what you guys are looking for but I hope it helps to give an option of what can be done.

K.

I like her booking the rooms for you. I have heard also 4 star and 5 stars tend to be safer. There is no perfect solution. There are cameras everywhere you go in China. MPs, hotels, etc.

When SNG was an option, I never liked the idea of using my phone. I called directly. SNG never had my phone number. They had my last name for the 24 hours I was there but that was it.

I am careful so I would go the 4 start route myself. Save the er nai money and stay in nice places when you screw for the difference.

SAM.

At Keric333, thanks for sharing your experiences. Your suggestion to rent my own place is a good one that I didn't think about. I'the have to think about upkeep and bills, but I like the concept overall if I can rent from a landlord directly.

At DIU, the service apartment is a good idea, as my upkeep is taken care of, but maybe the formality may be an issue. I am going to check it out, as there is a Fraser Suites near me.

At Changlelu and at SamCan, yes!, I don't want so many hotel stays in my name. I used to rent at 268 Hotels, which was great because they are cheap, I can check in before noon usually, whenever I checked out early they'the refund me without hassle, and a lot of 268 Hotels are so run down that their elevators didn't even require key cards. BUT, there was a 20 year old indie that used to book ST hotels for us, and one day, she suddenly said she didn't want to book them anymore because she didn't want all those stays on her record. I was like WTF. Then I better stop booking so many rooms too.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2231087]Nightlife Online is someone trying to fill the void that SNG left behind after Steven and his operators got arrested and jailed. The NLO owner thinks he has learned from Steven's mistakes. And he was able to recruit some of SNG's gals. As with SNG, he had gals that were indies and gals that used the operator. However, recently, he only has indies. You can find their site in classifieds.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. What is the best way to go about finding Saunas now or are they more suspect to visit? I had a contact from SNG but he recently went dark on WeChat so I am assuming he changed it again so I have lost contact. He came to be a trusted host and always had a safe and quality Sauna for me to visit. That is my favorite avenue of p4 p but at a loss on how to find the good quality saunas now.

FLT.

I feel bad that I have been littering the board with requests for advice on maintaining an er nai (mistress), so here is a report.

Louissa on NLO is a good deal at 1200. Legit 25 years old. Firm bod. And a tad tallish, so she is lean. Her profile says A cup, which sometimes means flat, but she has a handful, and they are firm. Her profile also says CBJ, but to my pleasant surprise, she gives a good BBBJ. But she is a smoker in case that bothers anyone.

I feel bad that I have been littering the board with requests for advice on maintaining an er nai (mistress), so here is an update on Rain's agency.

First, I hate Rain, but I recently re-connected with her (again, as she has blocked me several times already). You guys have to remember to not ask her any questions. Just tell her the girl, place, and time. That's it. It doesn't matter if you have never used Rain before. If you ask her anything, she will go ballistic. One time, she was offering discounts on her WeChat, and I asked her who was available for the discounted price, and after she told me, I told her that I was not interested in any of those girls, and she went ape shit crazy insane on me for wasting her time and blocked me.

Anyway, here is my update. Maybe her KTV closed during the crackdown and never reopened, because running the escort agency had previously been just a side job for Rain and her KTV girls. But these days, she is aggressively pimping her girls. It used to be that the same 2-3 girls were on matinee discounted prices (1000 incall or 1200 outcall) and overnight discounted prices (2000), but these days, around half or more of them are available each day at the discounted prices. And, she is regularly posting reviews of girls from punters, showing snapshots of their WeChat exchanges. She even sometimes offers discounted prices of 800 for matinee meetups. You just need to connect with her on WeChat to get these discounted prices.

Anyway, I don't have a field report on any specific girl, as their performance is nearly identical to one another. I met a third of them, maybe half of them. They all perform the same. Good unrushed BBBJ, and good FS. All pleasant gals. But one thing that I can say, at least for me, the prices are very accurate. That is, a 1500 gal is hotter than a 1200 gal. I guess they are self aware.

But keep in mind that many of us are nervous about using agencies these days, given what happened to Steven and SNG. So, just keep that in mind. And I suggest that you don't contact Rain using anything that can identify you. Rain has been known for outing mongers. For example, if you argue with her on email, then she will post your email address on her WeChat moments for all of us to see.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2231825]I feel bad that I have been littering the board with requests for advice on maintaining an er nai (mistress), so here is a report.

Louissa on NLO is a good deal at 1200. Legit 25 years old. Firm bod. And a tad tallish, so she is lean. Her profile says A cup, which sometimes means flat, but she has a handful, and they are firm. Her profile also says CBJ, but to my pleasant surprise, she gives a good BBBJ. But she is a smoker in case that bothers anyone.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Problem with Nightlife Online is same as SNG. They only allow positive reviews, so they can mislead (and don't provide incentive for girls to deliver). So good to have independent reviews.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2231837]Thanks. Problem with Nightlife Online is same as SNG. They only allow positive reviews, so they can mislead (and don't provide incentive for girls to deliver). So good to have independent reviews.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the reviews on NLO are absolutely useless. Totally useless. Anyway, main reason why I reviewed Louissa is because she is new on there.

Hi all,

Thanks so much for all the valuable information posted here. I'll be in Shanghai staying near Yu Garden. Does anyone know of a place within walking distance that I can find some attractive 18-25 yr old company? Any help is appreciated. Unfortunately my hotel isn't an option for company.

[QUOTE=DaveHd967;2232430]
Thanks so much for all the valuable information posted here. I'll be in Shanghai staying near Yu Garden. Does anyone know of a place within walking distance that I can find some attractive 18-25 yr old company? Any help is appreciated. Unfortunately my hotel isn't an option for company.[/QUOTE]We're waiting on your reports to give you more valuable info.

Looking forward to reading them.

Dear Shanghai folks,

I had quite some success meeting local girls with Badoo, Chinese and other SEA ones. I know there are also quite a few hookers in Badoo, but setting the age limit to 30 (I am 52) seems to have filtered most of them out. I got some dates with Chinese girls visiting Shanghai, and mad a full hit with a very nice Philippina. First date was an art gallery (yes), and it turned out that the lady had not only intellectual needs. Lots of Philippinas live with families and room mates with little privacy, and they are pretty lonely sometimes. I have my own place in SH, so this came quite handy. We are meeting on a regular basis now for sightseeing, workouts, and lots of sex. She had a lot of time to explore herself in the past, and she enjoys to try some of this with a partner. Lots of fun. So for you who are resident or spend more time in China than just a weekend, its worth giving it a try.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2231825]I feel bad that I have been littering the board with requests for advice on maintaining an er nai (mistress), so here is a report.

Louissa on NLO is a good deal at 1200. Legit 25 years old. Firm bod. And a tad tallish, so she is lean. Her profile says A cup, which sometimes means flat, but she has a handful, and they are firm. Her profile also says CBJ, but to my pleasant surprise, she gives a good BBBJ. But she is a smoker in case that bothers anyone.[/QUOTE]I can concur with Midwestern, with Louisa!

Pictures are accurate! Cute and young and fun. She got freaked out with all the police she saw around my hotel my hotel that I think killed her attitude and as she left said she would do better next time. She wasn't a kisser but menu included BBJ as noted but didn't enjoy DATY and the smoker thing really turned me off, probably will more likely try some old reliable or something new, but she is cute!

[QUOTE=RW141;2230662]A few experiences I would like to share from the site Massage Republic. Had a visit from Kaory, in my hotel. A mature Colombian lady, at least her fotos were accurate. In her add it was 1500 including owo. Did some weChatting, where she started at 2000. We agreed on 1500 plus taxi, still overpriced. Other than her add: owo was only after extra payment. Kind of kills the encounter. Not a repeat business.

From Massage Republic I tried as well 'Pretty Mature Lady', again a miss match. Hardly any English, massage was all right, sex was not with the details that we agreed on: no CIM etc.

The only good deals I found were in Manhattan and Judys, you get to talk to the girls first, then negotiate the details and usually they keep their word. Most of the girls are from VietNam. My taste is more for the older ladies, but are hard to find.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I also have been looking at that site for escorts. There are a few "Pretty mature Lady" on the site, of which I am interested in one. She is having 2 advertises, one where she writes her name I Lisa and another where she calls herself Lily.

Can I ask if you met any of those, or was it a total different pretty mature lady?

I have been seeing a few ladies from that site. I think you must remember that the website itself can not give you much warranty for quality. It is the ladies themselves who makes the advertise.

Of the current ladies I can recommend you Wenli. Her statements are honest, she gives you what she promises. And be aware of a mind blowing BBBJ. She does not do any upsale and she is actually quite cute.

You also can find her on other sites and P411.

Another one was Aida from Indonesia, but she is not advertising currently.

BR,

DaneinChina.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2233051] She wasn't a kisser but menu included BBJ as noted but didn't enjoy DATY and the smoker thing really turned me off, probably will more likely try some old reliable or something new, but she is cute![/QUOTE]How about Alice? Did you perform DATY on "her" ? :)

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2233067] ........
Of the current ladies I can recommend you Wenli. Her statements are honest, she gives you what she promises. And be aware of a mind blowing BBBJ. She does not do any upsale and she is actually quite cute.
.....[/QUOTE]I saw Wenli in early September and second that emotion. I would repeat.

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Hi together,

Several years ago, I was enthusiastically in the Manhattan-Bar many times. I love to spend the night with freelancer-girls.

On the internet I read that the Manhattan was closed. Who knows something? Is Manhattan still there and can I meet freelancer girls there, same before?

Gladly also alternatives. No sauna, KTV etc.

Thanks for your information.

[QUOTE=Benji26;2234267]Hi together,

Several years ago, I was enthusiastically in the Manhattan-Bar many times. I love to spend the night with freelancer-girls.

On the internet I read that the Manhattan was closed. Who knows something? Is Manhattan still there and can I meet freelancer girls there, same before?

Gladly also alternatives. No sauna, KTV etc.

Thanks for your information.[/QUOTE]Manhattan was closed for approx 3 months late 2017/ early 2018. It was open last time I was in Shanghai at end of September. Unless something has changed in 2 weeks, still open and operating the same business model.

[QUOTE=Benji26;2234267]Hi together,

...... Who knows something? Is Manhattan still there and can I meet freelancer girls there, same before?............[/QUOTE]I can also confirm that Manhattan and Judy's were still there when I was there in early September.

[QUOTE=Bigfoot16;2234699]I can also confirm that Manhattan and Judy's were still there when I was there in early September.[/QUOTE]I was at both clubs this past weekend. Many more fish then fishermen due to the local holidays.

I had to make a rare visit to Pudong earlier today. Out for a lunchtime walk near the Doubletree Hilton, I spotted three MPs actively touting for business, either in the street outside, or just inside, the entrance of their establishments. Judging by the way these ladies were dressed, it's pretty clear that there was more than a back rub on offer. I didn't have time to confirm this, but I have to say, it's been a couple of years at least since I've seen such open advertising anywhere in Shanghai. Could things finally be lightening up?

[QUOTE=Benji26;2234267]Hi together,

Several years ago, I was enthusiastically in the Manhattan-Bar many times. I love to spend the night with freelancer-girls.

On the internet I read that the Manhattan was closed. Who knows something? Is Manhattan still there and can I meet freelancer girls there, same before?

Gladly also alternatives. No sauna, KTV etc.

Thanks for your information.[/QUOTE]Hi Benji.

I live in Shanghai since 10 years. If you have been to J&M more than 2 years ago, then be prepared for the following changes:

* under 2000/ LT the ladies will ignore you, at least till 3 am.

* the old party times are gone. Since the Vietnamese took over, step by step J&M became pure contact locations; it is all about "how much" and immediate "you take me hotel?"

* the majority of men now are Chinese as their other fun places have been closed down (by the way: they are the reason for the increased pricing).

I personally go there very rarely now (while it was my center of enjoyment a few years ago). The good times are gone.

Cheers, Shamuc.