Jakarta

Anyone have a tailor they recommend in Jakarta? I would like to have a couple of suits made when I pass through in January. I will probably choose a hotel near the tailor, so north / south / west doesn't matter. Much thanks.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2110250]Well put. I've been to Medellin myself, about 18 months ago. It was fun, the girls were very pretty and all-in-all it was really cheap. However, the service was least impressive of all the places I've mongered at. The girls were (in general) polite and respectful (with one exception) albeit a bit distant. No kissing, covered BJ, and a general lack of oral contact. There were none I would repeat with. ....
Thailand offers many great options, modest to cheap ST, reasonable safety for the visitor and good service from the girls.[/QUOTE]Its interesting my experiences have been pretty much opposite. I get much better service more reliably in MDE than in BKK. I haven't been to LOS since 2012 but doubt it has gotten better. Now in MDE I have a network that clues me into the better performers and in both locals have gotten duds. But I have a much higher batting average in MDE, hands down. Perhaps part is personal preference as well. I prefer active bed partners who enjoy as well. Other guys prefer a more submissive bed partner which is what you will generally get in Asia.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2110047] As far as Thailand, give me Bangkok over Pattaya every time. The girls are still Thai, but are much hotter in Bangkok than in Pattaya (at least that's my experience).[/QUOTE]Interesting. I have only been to LOS 5 times (first in 1998 and last in 2012). For my upcoming trip (only one week) I'm skipping BKK and just doing Pattaya. BKK is just to frenetic for me and I prefer the more laid back pace of Pattaya. I really didn't see much difference in terms of talent in either place.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2110396]Interesting. I have only been to LOS 5 times (first in 1998 and last in 2012). For my upcoming trip (only one week) I'm skipping BKK and just doing Pattaya. BKK is just to frenetic for me and I prefer the more laid back pace of Pattaya. I really didn't see much difference in terms of talent in either place.[/QUOTE]Might just be bad luck on my part when I go to Pattaya. I've only been there about 10 times while I have been to Bangkok over 100 times. Jakarta is no less frenetic than Bangkok. The main difference is that there are options for things to do during the day in Bangkok. Jakarta is a late night scene with practically nothing to do during the day.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;2110372]Anyone have a tailor they recommend in Jakarta? I would like to have a couple of suits made when I pass through in January. I will probably choose a hotel near the tailor, so north / south / west doesn't matter. Much thanks.[/QUOTE]Use google to find Laxmi tailors. They have branches in various parts of Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2110574]Use google to find Laxmi tailors. They have branches in various parts of Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that's a big help.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;2110372]Anyone have a tailor they recommend in Jakarta? I would like to have a couple of suits made when I pass through in January. I will probably choose a hotel near the tailor, so north / south / west doesn't matter. Much thanks.[/QUOTE]I always stitched my suits at Hari Om tailors in Pasar Baru. Its pretty close to the mongering scene and walking distance from Hotel Classic.

[QUOTE=JohnAldrich;2110678]I always stitched my suits at Hari Om tailors in Pasar Baru. Its pretty close to the mongering scene and walking distance from Hotel Classic.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will look into Hari as well. This board has always come through with excellent recommendations. I'll try to pay it back with a decent FR (not about suit fitting, of course).

Hello seniors, I will be visiting Jakarta from Dec24- Dec27th. This is my 1st time to Indonesia, I am an Indian and I will be flying from the US. I pm'ed a few seniors in the thread and thanks to Womaniszer for sharing some details.

As per Womanizer's suggestion I am planning to book All Seasons near Gajah Mada. Plan is to visit Classic / Travel and Blok M. How far is Blok M from Gajah Mada? I also read about De Leila, Is this still open and it looks like a restaurant, Can we find working gals here?

Please suggest me some good genuine massage places around Gajah Mada. If anyone can share some free lancer contacts that will be great as I prefer getting the lady to my room for all night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1980828]Here's a girl from the Marriott I had stay a couple of days with me. 19 years old, which is nice, but the key is that she has big boobs and is a non-smoker. For me to allow a girl to stay more than an hour or so in my room, she cannot be a smoker. I prefer to never take a girl who smokes if possible. Unfortunately, it's not so easy to find non-smokers these days in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Hello Smoothy, Can you share some details about this beauty? Is there a dance club in Marriott to pick ladies?

Staying at Four Points for 3 nights. Planning on checking out Classic and Terminal. Also plan on going to BATS one night.

Any suggestions for massage places near by? I usually go to Delta for massage and release but the cost seem relatively high.

Any other suggestions? Things to try? Must try estaurants? Legit spas?

Thank you for any advice.

[QUOTE=Dave#2;2111294]Staying at Four Points for 3 nights. Planning on checking out Classic and Terminal. Also plan on going to BATS one night.

Any suggestions for massage places near by? I usually go to Delta for massage and release but the cost seem relatively high.

Any other suggestions? Things to try? Must try estaurants? Legit spas?

Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]Hi Dave,

Classic and Terminal have nice choice but it all depends upon timing and what are you looking out for.

Better you connect on dating app earlier and connect with independent. With independent you get a real women who love sex and also they earn some good money which will be cheaper then trying and negotiating upfront rather then under influence of alcohol.

Sydpat.

[QUOTE=Dega123;2111286] How far is Blok M from Gajah Mada? I also read about De Leila, Is this still open and it looks like a restaurant, Can we find working gals here?[/QUOTE]Staying at Gajah Mada is great for the brothels near gajah mada, but it's quite far away from blok m or de leila. Yes, you can find working girls at both.

[QUOTE=Dega123;2111288]Hello Smoothy, Can you share some details about this beauty? Is there a dance club in Marriott to pick ladies?[/QUOTE]That girl stopped answering my texts. I think she got married and lives in the village now.

[QUOTE=Dave#2;2111294]Staying at Four Points for 3 nights. Planning on checking out Classic and Terminal. Also plan on going to BATS one night.

Any suggestions for massage places near by? I usually go to Delta for massage and release but the cost seem relatively high.

Any other suggestions? Things to try? Must try estaurants? Legit spas?

Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]Your hotel is in a good location. You are quite close to Malioboro. Even at rush hour, you should be able to get there in about a half hour. There is a real massage in Malioboro if you want. Classic and Terminal are actually the same place (classic terminal) and although it's further than Malioboro, it's not very far. But that's just for sex. I do believe there is a massage place in the basement of hotel classic, but I hear it's not cheap. There is a Delta Spa close to Malioboro at Harmoni that you can go to.

As far as restaurants, it depends what kind of food you are looking for and if you are looking for a unique environment, etc.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2111436]Your hotel is in a good location. You are quite close to Malioboro. Even at rush hour, you should be able to get there in about a half hour. There is a real massage in Malioboro if you want. Classic and Terminal are actually the same place (classic terminal) and although it's further than Malioboro, it's not very far. But that's just for sex. I do believe there is a massage place in the basement of hotel classic, but I hear it's not cheap. There is a Delta Spa close to Malioboro at Harmoni that you can go to.

As far as restaurants, it depends what kind of food you are looking for and if you are looking for a unique environment, etc.[/QUOTE]Greatly appreciate the helpful advice! Food wise, I eat everything! Love seafood and duck. Ate a lot of duck and various veggies last time I was in Jakarta.

In terms of Malioboro, how much are massage? Is HJ standard?

I'll be sure to share my experiences on the forum.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2111424]Staying at Gajah Mada is great for the brothels near gajah mada, but it's quite far away from blok m or de leila. Yes, you can find working girls at both.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy. Do you know if De Leila still has Moroccan girls? How much do they charge for night? I am thinking on whether taking my hotel in Gajah mada or at Sudirman fx. Where can we find some freelancers in Jakarta? TIA.

[QUOTE=Dega123;2111583]Do you know if De Leila still has Moroccan girls? How much do they charge for night?.[/QUOTE]I am no expert on Morrocan girls in Jakarta, but Tiga Kuda and De Leila should have some. Most likely Tiga Kuda is a more target rich environment for that. I don't know what they charge, but it won't be cheap.

Hey guys,

I'm heading to Jakarta soon. I'm staying at a hotel south, away from the action, but will likely check out Malio Hotel and Malioboro club. I'm someone who really dislikes pubic hair on women, and I've noticed girls in SE Asia have never used a razor / wax trip on their privates ever in their lives. Is this the case in Jakarta too? I doubt I will fine any bald puss, but even something that is at least trimmed up would be an improvement!

Hi,

I have not been to bats and keen to try on my next coming trip to Jakarta. How's the scene on Monday night at bats? Or where else could I find a good young LT in Jakarta on Monday?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TheRugdr;2111776]Hey guys,

I'm heading to Jakarta soon. I'm staying at a hotel south, away from the action, but will likely check out Malio Hotel and Malioboro club. I'm someone who really dislikes pubic hair on women, and I've noticed girls in SE Asia have never used a razor / wax trip on their privates ever in their lives. Is this the case in Jakarta too? I doubt I will fine any bald puss, but even something that is at least trimmed up would be an improvement![/QUOTE]I have only really experienced one real bushy pussy in Indonesia. Some of the girls I have had the pleasure have had smooth pussy's and some very few hairs due the fact that they do not have hairy genes. Do as I do before hand and ask if shaved / smooth and if a deal breaker say thanks but no thanks. I can't see why this should be a problem.

Thanks,

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2111938]I have only really experienced one real bushy pussy in Indonesia. Some of the girls I have had the pleasure have had smooth pussy's and some very few hairs due the fact that they do not have hairy genes. Do as I do before hand and ask if shaved / smooth and if a deal breaker say thanks but no thanks. I can't see why this should be a problem.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's very rare to find a bushy one even if they don't shave. But if you want a bald shaved pussy, the girls at BATS are more likely to have that than anywhere else. Even the brothel girls have hair. The reason the BATS girls don't often have hair is they are more westernized and realize that westerners like them to shave. The more sophisticated the girl, the more likely it is that she will shave her pussy. At BATS, I will ask them point blank "do you shave your pussy"? They have always answered me truthfully.

There was another question about BATS on a Monday. It's not a good place on a Monday relative to the weekend nights, but there are no good places anywhere in town on a Monday so it's as good as anywhere else. BATS and CJs are your best bets for free lancers on a Monday night. If you go to BATS and it is dead, head over to CJs (and vice versa).

[QUOTE=RobJones;2111938]Do as I do before hand and ask if shaved / smooth and if a deal breaker say thanks but no thanks. I can't see why this should be a problem.

Thanks,

Rob.[/QUOTE]Or just have extra disposable razors in your room. Most will be happy to quickly tidy things up prior to the session.

Plan on heading to BATS tonight (Sat night). What is best time to go? Don't want to end up there too early when it's dead but don't want to be there too late and be too tired to bring back a gal.

I'm planning on getting some drinks first at Immigrants before heading to BATS.

Planned on going to BATS last night but got lazy and found a massage girl on WeChat who came to my hotel. 400 k for 90 mins massage followed by HJ. Thought it was bit expensive but just wanted a good release before falling asleep.

BTW. Thank you for all the helpful information. Here for 2 more nights then have a return trip planned for Feb.

[QUOTE=Dave#2;2111971]Planned on going to BATS last night but got lazy and found a massage girl on WeChat who came to my hotel. 400 k for 90 mins massage followed by HJ. Thought it was bit expensive but just wanted a good release before falling asleep.[/QUOTE]That is not expensive for a real massage followed by handjob. Most times I just get the massage and it's still 250 k (200 k plus 50 k tip if they are good). I like a good massage and have a few numbers of excellent massage girls I found on we chat. I find that the really good looking ones rarely ever give a good massage so I consider a real massage and sex to be two separate experiences for the most part. An extra 150 k for a handjob is cheap depending on how hot the girl is. But if I find the girl hot enough to allow her to give me a handjob, I will engage her in full sex. I never get the handjob because I can only get off once a night and I want to save that load for actual sex with a hottie, but if you are into a HJ and the woman doesn't look like a homeless grandma, it's a good price. You will be very hard pressed to find cheaper than that.

[QUOTE=Dave#2;2111971]Plan on heading to BATS tonight (Sat night). What is best time to go? Don't want to end up there too early when it's dead but don't want to be there too late and be too tired to bring back a gal.

I'm planning on getting some drinks first at Immigrants before heading to BATS.

Planned on going to BATS last night but got lazy and found a massage girl on WeChat who came to my hotel. 400 k for 90 mins massage followed by HJ. Thought it was bit expensive but just wanted a good release before falling asleep.

BTW. Thank you for all the helpful information. Here for 2 more nights then have a return trip planned for Feb.[/QUOTE]I would say 10 pm is the earliest you want to go if you don; t mind paying the entrance fee. Think they start charging about 9 pm - 9. 30 pm, and the girls don; t enter until after that, think they're not allowed in until charging starts. I used to go in just before 9 pm and have some pizza to get the carb levels up and have something in the system to soak up the alcohol. There's always guests in there as it is open all the time, not like CJ's in The Mulia which doesn't open till 9. 30 pm. Made that mistake before and been in there really early:-O. So if you go early, you won't be the only one there, especially on a Saturday night.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2011200]A late post on this.

This was a new experience for me and I thank the fellow contributors for encouragement. On this trip to Jakarta I decided to play around with Tinder and see what turned up. As it was 20 and 22 year old semi-amateurs turned up in my bed at the Four Seasons for separate sessions.

[/QUOTE]What can I say but so glad I came across this report, decided to try Tinder out for my trip to The Big Durian next week and it's certainly seems to be a good way to set up dates, especially if you have limited time to go out hunting. Set up an account a week ago and it's now at the point where I'm having to juggle girls and make excuses to some girls as better ones pop up. Seems like everything from 18 to older than you want to go near is willing and able to come round. I'm not a big fan of 18 year old star fishes, but there are certainly some good looking older ladies who are interested in "friends with benefits" arrangements, I'm more than happy to take a girl out for dinner if I end up shagging them afterwards. Will post nest week on how things go. I will say one thing though, it appears that Indonesia is predominantly Whatsapp based, and they only use Tinder as the "here I am come and get me" introduction. You need a Whatsapp account that you have set-up anonymously if you don; t want them to see your real phone number. WeChat is so much better as you can chat on that without giving out phone number. Time to have some fun after a four year absence.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112027]That is not expensive for a real massage followed by handjob. Most times I just get the massage and it's still 250 k (200 k plus 50 k tip if they are good). I like a good massage and have a few numbers of excellent massage girls I found on we chat. I find that the really good looking ones rarely ever give a good massage so I consider a real massage and sex to be two separate experiences for the most part. An extra 150 k for a handjob is cheap depending on how hot the girl is. But if I find the girl hot enough to allow her to give me a handjob, I will engage her in full sex. I never get the handjob because I can only get off once a night and I want to save that load for actual sex with a hottie, but if you are into a HJ and the woman doesn't look like a homeless grandma, it's a good price. You will be very hard pressed to find cheaper than that.[/QUOTE]Now that I've returned from Delta Spa, I do have to agree. I ended up spending close to 800 k for massage and a beer. I had planned on killing some time until Classic opened (at 3 pm) by hanging out at the sauna but I was told it was undergoing renovations.

Massage was good but not worth 800. Classic was super fun. I'd rather have saved my money for Classic.

First of all, thanks to everyone for all the helpful information. Finally took the plunge into Classic and was not disappointed.

Shows up at 11:30 AM and was told they would open at 3 pm. So took a walk to Malioboro and was told they would open at 2 pm. So took a walk to Delta and planned on spending several hours enjoying the sauna followed by a massage. Well, the sauna area was closed for renovations so straight to the massage room I went. Massage plus a beer was 800,000. Massage was good but not worth the price. The massage girl also badgered me for a tip so I ended up giving her 50 k.

Headed to Classic and it was 2:30 so found an area restaurant for a light lunch and 2 beers. Entered Classic at 3:15 and a mamasan immediately grabbed my arm, sat with me and asked what type of lady I want. I told her young, thin, no baby. She brought a girl over and she fit the bill. I told mamasan I may be interested in doing a double so I could see more ladies. None looked any better than the current girl so off we went to the room. Her body was smoking! No fat on her and very nice natural tits. I negotiated her into allowing me 2 shots.

Total damage was. 335 k to mamasan. 300 k tip to girl for 2-pops. 110 k to Classic to settle my tab. I was very pleased.

After we finished and was leaving the room, there was a blonde girl in tan colored dress with tattoos. Holy smokes was she hot! I was tempted to find her and go for another session. But after she walked back with her dude, I lost her in the bar.

Planned on going to BATS tonight but will instead get some really nice dinner and save myself for Classic tomorrow instead. Popped 4 times already today! WeChat massage girl in the morning, Delta Spa, and 2-pops at Classic. I'm planning on reloading my soldiers and try out several girls at Claiic tomorrow.

Will post another report after tomorrow'a adventures.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2112054]What can I say but so glad I came across this report, decided to try Tinder out for my trip to The Big Durian next week and it's certainly seems to be a good way to set up dates, especially if you have limited time to go out hunting. Set up an account a week ago and it's now at the point where I'm having to juggle girls and make excuses to some girls as better ones pop up. Seems like everything from 18 to older than you want to go near is willing and able to come round. I'm not a big fan of 18 year old star fishes, but there are certainly some good looking older ladies who are interested in "friends with benefits" arrangements, I'm more than happy to take a girl out for dinner if I end up shagging them afterwards. Will post nest week on how things go. I will say one thing though, it appears that Indonesia is predominantly Whatsapp based, and they only use Tinder as the "here I am come and get me" introduction. You need a Whatsapp account that you have set-up anonymously if you don; t want them to see your real phone number. WeChat is so much better as you can chat on that without giving out phone number. Time to have some fun after a four year absence.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't see it as a big deal if they close the brothels like Alexis. I rarely ever leave my own apartment anymore. Why fight the traffic? There's no need because you can just log into tinder and meet a girl. If I swipe right on a girl in Jakarta, the chances are about 50% that she will also have swept right and it will be a match. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. They are normally willing to meet that same day. Whatsapp is absolutely the app everyone uses in Jakarta. And that's a good thing because it's the best app out there. Wechat in Jakarta is worthless for chat, it's only good for finding massage girls. Line is also popular in Jakarta and it's a better way to check out some of the girl's photos. They all have instagram as well. If you are chatting up girls on Tinder outside Indonesia prior to you arrival, I guess you paid money to upgrade your Tinder. I'm not sure that's worth it because you can use the free version and meet the girls in Jakarta very easily once you arrive. They don't normally want to waste any time chit-chatting anyway, they want to meet immediately.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112189]This is why I don't see it as a big deal if they close the brothels like Alexis. I rarely ever leave my own apartment anymore. Why fight the traffic? There's no need because you can just log into tinder and meet a girl. If I swipe right on a girl in Jakarta, the chances are about 50% that she will also have swept right and it will be a match. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. They are normally willing to meet that same day. Whatsapp is absolutely the app everyone uses in Jakarta. And that's a good thing because it's the best app out there. Wechat in Jakarta is worthless for chat, it's only good for finding massage girls. Line is also popular in Jakarta and it's a better way to check out some of the girl's photos. They all have instagram as well. If you are chatting up girls on Tinder outside Indonesia prior to you arrival, I guess you paid money to upgrade your Tinder. I'm not sure that's worth it because you can use the free version and meet the girls in Jakarta very easily once you arrive. They don't normally want to waste any time chit-chatting anyway, they want to meet immediately.[/QUOTE]Smoothy,

Great info. Can you please let us know about the experience with girls that you meet over tinder. The photo might be fake or old and they might want a "Wham bam thank you mam". You don't get to see their body and interest levels.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2112054]What can I say but so glad I came across this report, decided to try Tinder out for my trip to The Big Durian next week and it's certainly seems to be a good way to set up dates, especially if you have limited time to go out hunting.[/QUOTE]What is the average price for these Tinder-freelancers? Average good permance? BBBJ-CIM-anal?

Thanks in advance.

Word has it that Top Gun has finally gone bankrupt and is completely closed now.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112382]Word has it that Top Gun has finally gone bankrupt and is completely closed now.[/QUOTE]Is there anywhere left or proposed in Jakarta that replicates the old Blok M I. E. A few foreigner friendly bars within walking distance of each other where a punter can mix meeting buddies, a few beers and some fair priced tail?

It seems like the only options left are the 5 star bars, brothels scattered around the city and direct call Apps. These have their place but they don't offer the social night out option and moving between them brings Jakarta's horrendous traffic into play.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2112398]Is there anywhere left or proposed in Jakarta that replicates the old Blok M I. E. A few foreigner friendly bars within walking distance of each other where a punter can mix meeting buddies, a few beers and some fair priced tail?

It seems like the only options left are the 5 star bars, brothels scattered around the city and direct call Apps. These have their place but they don't offer the social night out option and moving between them brings Jakarta's horrendous traffic into play.[/QUOTE]Blok M still has D's Place, My Bar and that Moonrider place, but it's a far cry from the Blok M of the past. The popular place for expats now seems to be Eastern Promise. But that's just one bar and it's only a good option on Friday and Saturday nights. D's place is still there at blok M, and it's still a decent option, but it's very likely going to have a decline in business since Top Gun is closed now. I like to go to D's place late at night. When that Octagon karaoke place next door to it closes, some girls from that karaoke come into D's place and they are not bad looking. If there is nothing at D's, I will go to My Bar after 2 am. Unfortunately, My Bar is almost a lost cause these days, it rarely has any talent anymore and doesn't even get started until 2 am. There are no areas for foreigners like the old blok M of the past with multiple bars with naughty girls in a small area.

On a side note, I picked up a true stunner in Top Gun just a few weeks ago. One of the best girls I've ever met in Jakarta. She claimed it was her first night visiting the Blok. I walked in the door and she was seated there at the bar right near the door. It took me all of 2 seconds to go approach her and all of 2 minutes to ask her to go home with me. haha. After that night, I was so impressed, I had her stay with me an entire week. So it is still possible to find a gem on the Blok (just not in Top Gun anymore).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112550]There are no areas for foreigners like the old blok M of the past with multiple bars with naughty girls in a small area.[/QUOTE]Smoothy, thanks for this. However it truely sucks that the Institutions of Jakarta are passing away. I don't want to jump on the "Good Ol Days" band wagon but it wasn't that long ago that it seemed impossible that the 6th Floor, Top Gun etc could close. Places like these offered a great night where guys could meet up for beers, have a meal, visit multiple bars and then grab some tail if required. Costs were so low that having a posse of followers was a routine event. They also offered the anonymity of turning up and simply making a selection without random photos and email / Facebook links being posted on some pretty incriminating web sites.

Internet bookings and stand alone locations are great but they don't offer the party atmosphere that these places did and convert everything to a wham bam transactional event.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112382]Word has it that Top Gun has finally gone bankrupt and is completely closed now.[/QUOTE]That's sad news. Was business so bad there?

Hey guys,

Reading the forum for travel help. I will be visiting Jakarta from 9-12 Dec. Will be staying at Harris vertue harmoni. Just read reports. Thanks Smoothy for it. About me 30 Indian male. Have downloaded tinder. Working on it. And getting connected to few girls. What is the best time to visit Maliboro? Also how far would Harris vertue harmony take from airport on Sunday night around 10. Did any one get lucky at normal clubs which have normal girls coming. ?any tips or apps to install for stay in Jakarta? May be something for taxi or hotels. Please guide.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2112658]That's sad news. Was business so bad there?[/QUOTE]The last few months it was terrible. They had stopped having a band every night and only had it a couple of nights a week. And if you wanted to order something like a diet coke or a corona, they no longer carried anything like that. Only the simplest items. They had scaled down operations to the point where it was a shell of it's former self. A girl had told me previously it was going to close months ago, but they hung on as long as they could.

The problem was the type of crowd they had been getting for the last couple of years. Many guys going there were cheap Charlies who only bought one drink and milked it while playing pool for free all night. When I walked in the door, I would get royal treatment. They'd immediately get me a table because they know I will buy multiple drinks for myself and for the girls. Unfortunately, they didn't have enough customers like that. I always liked Top Gun, it's a damn shame it's closed. I'm not really much of a D's place guy so I rarely go there. The last time I went there, I asked the waitress how much it cost for a bottle of alcohol. She told me the price and I said I would just stick to one drink. Her response was a bit surprising. She said "Ya, I knew you wouldn't get a bottle here. You only get bottles at Top Gun." The fact that she knew I got bottles of alcohol at Top Gun was odd. Obviously they talk about us more than I thought.

Business on the Blok these days is dreadful in general. They may all go bankrupt soon enough.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2112227]What is the average price for these Tinder-freelancers? Average good permance? BBBJ-CIM-anal?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Meeting up with the first contact tonight and that's basically a "friends with benefits", going out for food and drinks and then ------ What does it cost me? An extra meal in a fancy restaurant, but then I get some good looking, fun company. We've been chatting on Whatsapp constantly for the past two days and she has a wicked sense of humor and her mnd seems to be down in the gutter, which suits me just fine. (She's a divorced Indo and has lived overseas for a while). Shall see what happens. She's on her way across to hotel now. If she's good, I'm a creature of habit and may repeat for the week. If she's a dud, then it's on to the others and cost will be figured out soon enough.

One thing of note, was in KL last night and Tinder doesn't seem to be as good for picking up girls as it is in Indo or Vietnam. Wasn't looking to pick up anybody as I had an previous FL with me, just wanted to see options, and mostly seemed to be girls looking for actual boyfriends (shock/horror) or FL from sub-Saharan Africa, not my cup of tea as they say.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112780]

Business on the Blok these days is dreadful in general. They may all go bankrupt soon enough.[/QUOTE]That's saved me a couple of taxi fares then. Was going to pay TG a visit later this week.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2111951]Agreed. It's very rare to find a bushy one even if they don't shave. But if you want a bald shaved pussy, the girls at BATS are more likely to have that than anywhere else. Even the brothel girls have hair. The reason the BATS girls don't often have hair is they are more westernized and realize that westerners like them to shave. The more sophisticated the girl, the more likely it is that she will shave her pussy. At BATS, I will ask them point blank "do you shave your pussy"? They have always answered me truthfully.

There was another question about BATS on a Monday. It's not a good place on a Monday relative to the weekend nights, but there are no good places anywhere in town on a Monday so it's as good as anywhere else. BATS and CJs are your best bets for free lancers on a Monday night. If you go to BATS and it is dead, head over to CJs (and vice versa).[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy. Will post reports after my trip which is another week to go.

Can someone enlighten me where's the best location to tinder in Jakarta for young uni student? And for FL? I connected with a FL asking for 2 jt st. After RTFF, that's not the market price is it?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2112227]What is the average price for these Tinder-freelancers? Average good permance? BBBJ-CIM-anal?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]They ask various prices. I've had them ask 500 k and I've had them ask 3 million. I'd say the average is about 1 million. I've had some awesome performers. Every one of them allowed BBBJ and CIM (although I don't cum in their mouth, I like to cum on their body or face). A few were into anal. One girl preferred anal, and another demanded it. LOL. The one that demanded it though wanted 1. 5 and was too hard core, so I only had her come over once. The 500 k girl was only 20 years old and very hot and great in bed, but she already had a kid. Any girl who has had a kid drops drastically in value if you ask me. The ones asking 3 million were very hot, but I did not take them up on their offer.

You can also find them who will have sex for free if they like you and just want sex. At my age, those are rare. But there are plenty of young guys getting free sex using Tinder.

[QUOTE=RDM87;2112765]Hey guys,

Reading the forum for travel help. I will be visiting Jakarta from 9-12 Dec. Will be staying at Harris vertue harmoni. Just read reports. Thanks Smoothy for it. About me 30 Indian male. Have downloaded tinder. Working on it. And getting connected to few girls. What is the best time to visit Maliboro? Also how far would Harris vertue harmony take from airport on Sunday night around 10. Did any one get lucky at normal clubs which have normal girls coming. ?any tips or apps to install for stay in Jakarta? May be something for taxi or hotels. Please guide.[/QUOTE]I only use Grab Taxi. So please download that App. Its works on fixed fare basis.

Go Hotel Classic its the best.

Hey mates,

I've encounter a few I assume "DL" that says open BO and VCS on their bio. What does BO and VCS stand for? TIA.

Top Gun was open about a week ago.

More detail to follow soon.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112893]You can also find them who will have sex for free if they like you and just want sex. At my age, those are rare. But there are plenty of young guys getting free sex using Tinder.[/QUOTE]Also depends on what you are looking for. There are good looking woman available who are older in age and haven't had kids either. My first hook up last night is one of those, all free and she's just left. It's now 4 pm. May have a few extra pounds but that doesn't worry me at my age. She's left to go and get a bag and is staying for the rest of the week. Free sex. Well bar the cost of some nice meals, and fun conversation = less boring nights.

On a separate note. Had a little bit of an under-performance last night so went Blue Pill hunting in Senayan Plaza. Bugger me, didn't realize it was that simple to get here (I'd always got in Bangkok):

Viagra is available over the counter, no questions asked, from the Guardian Apotek basement level Senayan Plaza. The pharmacist just smiled when I told her she is going to make my girlfriend happy and made a point of showing me that the boxes where unopened and expiry date was 2021. My horned up Tinder freebie is in for some fun tonight.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2113235]Free sex.[/QUOTE]In my experience, there is no such thing. There is always either a monetary or emotional cost. Let's see how you feel about it after the week is up. Good luck!

[QUOTE=JasonLc;2113207]Hey mates,

I've encounter a few I assume "DL" that says open BO and VCS on their bio. What does BO and VCS stand for? TIA.[/QUOTE]Hi mate,

BO is Booking Open which means she is working and taking bookings. VCS I have no idea with as I am not a tinder user.

I hope this helps.

Rob.

Worked on Java in 2014. Planning to visits in May 2018.

Sad to read about decline and loss in Jakarta (Hotel Melawai, maybe Top Gun).

I read about these hookup apps but fail to understand or be able to use them.

First, I need programs that work on a PC. Not a phone as my wife has access to my phone so too dangerous.

Second. It seems impossible anymore to sign up without a mobile phone number. Again wife makes it too dangerous to use phone.

Am I missing something or has the world changed and I fail to move with it?

Do I have an computer only meeting options?

P.S. I tried Indonesian Cupid, but the girls are so lazy to write anything but a 2 word message.

Thanks, TowelBoy.

[QUOTE=JasonLc;2113207]Hey mates,

I've encounter a few I assume "DL" that says open BO and VCS on their bio. What does BO and VCS stand for? TIA.[/QUOTE]BO = Bloated Ostrich.

VCS = Vocally Challenged Squealer.

Or other not so frequently used abbreviations may be Booking Out and Video Call Sex.

Damn. Now I'm really interested at bloated ostrich.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2113487]BO = Bloated Ostrich.

VCS = Vocally Challenged Squealer.

Or other not so frequently used abbreviations may be Booking Out and Video Call Sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2112844]Meeting up with the first contact tonight and that's basically a "friends with benefits", going out for food and drinks and then ------ What does it cost me? An extra meal in a fancy restaurant, but then I get some good looking, fun company. We've been chatting on Whatsapp constantly for the past two days and she has a wicked sense of humor and her mnd seems to be down in the gutter, which suits me just fine. (She's a divorced Indo and has lived overseas for a while). Shall see what happens. She's on her way across to hotel now. If she's good, I'm a creature of habit and may repeat for the week. If she's a dud, then it's on to the others and cost will be figured out soon enough.

One thing of note, was in KL last night and Tinder doesn't seem to be as good for picking up girls as it is in Indo or Vietnam. Wasn't looking to pick up anybody as I had an previous FL with me, just wanted to see options, and mostly seemed to be girls looking for actual boyfriends (shock/horror) or FL from sub-Saharan Africa, not my cup of tea as they say.[/QUOTE]Tinder doesn't work in Malaysia and Singapore. Anyone could just realize it by checking their local "cupid" website. Malaysia, Singapore are the two countries that get feminism toxic in this part of the world.

1) Lokalisasi (red light district) in Indonesia?

I ever visited Lokalisasi Sarkem of Yogyakarta. For sure you all know 150 k rp can't get a decent room to fuck women, but some of the women look good.

It is a regret that before I ever make a visit to Kalijodo of Jakarta and Dolly of Surabaya. Both of these are closed down and wiped out forever.

There is another lokalisasi in Jakarta, they call it lokalisasi Royal. The coordinate shall be as the following:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cim[/URL]+Jangkrik / at -6. 133113,106. 8026937,17 z / data=!4 m7!3 m6!1 s0 x0:0 x8567 b0 e0504 d87 ca!8 m2!3 d-6. 133113!4 d106.8048824!9 m1!1 b1.

Heard that the current price is upward a bit:200 k rp. 200 k is always for young lady.

I kind of enjoy fucking woman in a rocky environment. Not always, just want to find some different experiences.

Do you guys have any experience in such kind of lokalisasi? Mind to share?

2) Go-jek sister app. Go Life.

Any thought on go life massage?

I have never tried before as now I am not in Indonesia.

The massage is cheap. It seems that basically you could only choose to say you are a man, then you expect the therapist is a woman.

Can't demand more than that. The cost of 1 hour body massage is 80 k rp, it could be arranged in your premise, be it home or hotel.

I just wonder if the therapist looks good, has anyone ever converted the therapist massage becomes massage plus plus (pijat++/ pijat plus plus).

For sure, the go life has rule that therapist can't engage in such kind of activity.

If the therapist turns out to be old, by looking it positively, you have experienced and quality massage for just 80 k rp / hour, isn't it great?

Anyone share their experience on this? I just can't wait to back to Indonesia and give it a try.

[QUOTE=JasonLc;2113670]Damn. Now I'm really interested at bloated ostrich.[/QUOTE]Yep, they are wild in bed.

I hate that they use all of those abbreviations like BO, VCS, etc. Many westerners don't know those abbreviations, but all of the local Indonesians know them. I've never tried the Video chat sex but my indo friends are always sending me videos of the girls they chat with. I have to admit, it's pretty hot. They pay in advance for that though, it's not worth the gamble and with the price of actual sex so cheap I don't see the point. I'll stick with the booking out chicks. Personally, I think for a girl to say she's available for booking out in Indonesia is almost redundant. The majority of girls are available for money.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2113476]Worked on Java in 2014. Planning to visits in May 2018.

Sad to read about decline and loss in Jakarta (Hotel Melawai, maybe Top Gun).

I read about these hookup apps but fail to understand or be able to use them.

First, I need programs that work on a PC. Not a phone as my wife has access to my phone so too dangerous.

Second. It seems impossible anymore to sign up without a mobile phone number. Again wife makes it too dangerous to use phone.

Am I missing something or has the world changed and I fail to move with it?

Do I have an computer only meeting options?

P.S. I tried Indonesian Cupid, but the girls are so lazy to write anything but a 2 word message.

Thanks, TowelBoy.[/QUOTE]Hi TowelBoy,

I have a similar situation to you with a somewhat nosey / suspicious wife and my phone. Try Badoo and Tagged for Personnel Computer contacts. I use both with success in Indonesia and I am sure you don't need to supply a mobile number and if you do it is only one contact to verify your identity and that's it. I make all my contacts at work and the wife has no access to my deeds. To make contact with your harem after you have sourced them can be thru either Whatsapp or Line. Both need to be downloaded on your phone and again contact is only to verify your ID. I hide the Line app icon in a folder that I rarely use with about 3 pages in it so it is on the last page so the chances of my wife seeing it is minimal. I am using Line this time and you can put a password on it. When you download the apps go to the settings and change the notifications to silent. Also I turn my ringer down when I'm home so if any girl gets keen and calls when I'm home no one can hear the call and I will usually block any girl who insist on calling because they want more then just sex and 1 way or the other will cause your problems. I have done all this successfully over the last 2 years with great success in Indonesia and it's looking good for me in Thailand early next year too. Don't be scared because I did and I'm mid 50's so its not hard. Let me know how it works out for you.

All the best.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2112780]The last few months it was terrible. They had stopped having a band every night and only had it a couple of nights a week. And if you wanted to order something like a diet coke or a corona, they no longer carried anything like that. Only the simplest items. They had scaled down operations to the point where it was a shell of it's former self. A girl had told me previously it was going to close months ago, but they hung on as long as they could.

<SNIP>

Business on the Blok these days is dreadful in general. They may all go bankrupt soon enough.[/QUOTE]The girls will need to go to other bars for their income. Maybe to the Kemang bars like EP and Murphy's.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2113476]Worked on Java in 2014. Planning to visits in May 2018.

Sad to read about decline and loss in Jakarta (Hotel Melawai, maybe Top Gun).

I read about these hookup apps but fail to understand or be able to use them.

First, I need programs that work on a PC. Not a phone as my wife has access to my phone so too dangerous.

Second. It seems impossible anymore to sign up without a mobile phone number. Again wife makes it too dangerous to use phone.

Am I missing something or has the world changed and I fail to move with it?

Do I have an computer only meeting options?

P.S. I tried Indonesian Cupid, but the girls are so lazy to write anything but a 2 word message.

Thanks, TowelBoy.[/QUOTE]Get another phone, another number and keep it unknown to normal world. Use it only for mongering purpose and sign up for tinder, wechat etc.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2113424]In my experience, there is no such thing. There is always either a monetary or emotional cost. Let's see how you feel about it after the week is up. Good luck![/QUOTE]Yep, monetary value came in the form of meals in decent restaurants (which I do anyway) and a little help with an "electricity bill" (2. 5 juta) at the end of 4 days (that came up on the last night). Got to love the way they put it. Didn't want to stay tonight as she would have had to leave early in the morning as I am heading out of town. Saying that, she was crazy good in bed, and certainly was more than two pops a day! Would I repeat for sure. Anyway, free night tonight and it's a choice of Tinder, WeChat or BATS. Friday night so I think I'll go the BATS route and enjoy the view!

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2113476]Worked on Java in 2014. Planning to visits in May 2018.



I read about these hookup apps but fail to understand or be able to use them.

[/QUOTE]WeChat is better for anonymity with the girls as you don't need to give them a phone number, just your WeChat ID, or send them your QR Code to scan. Problem is, it is sparingly used in Indonesia (Indonesia likes to be different, just like they where really the only girls to embrace BBM! I've had a few girls chat to me on it but no great volume. You can look for who's around you and find some contacts that way. But all in all it doesn't have much traction in Indonesia. The rest of keeping things "hidden" is laid out by Rob. And yes, we're all in the same age group. My biggest problem is keeping my kids away from the phone. Because if anybody can suss out what's going on. Your phone should always be password protected in case it gets stolen. That's what I tell my other half.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2114405]My biggest problem is keeping my kids away from the phone. Because if anybody can suss out what's going on. Your phone should always be password protected in case it gets stolen. That's what I tell my other half.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2113476]First, I need programs that work on a PC. Not a phone as my wife has access to my phone so too dangerous.

Second. It seems impossible anymore to sign up without a mobile phone number. Again wife makes it too dangerous to use phone.

Am I missing something or has the world changed and I fail to move with it?

Do I have an computer only meeting options?
[/QUOTE]Or just buy a second burner phone for travelling. Leave it rattling around in the bottom of the drawer at the office when not in use.

Hey guys,

I will be in Jakarta Harris vertue Harmoni from 9-12 Dec. What should I look forward for Saturday night? Maliboro better for girls or bats? Also does Maliboro have selection of Russian or Colombian or other nationalities? How long does it take from airport to Harris vertue at 9:30 in the night?

[QUOTE=RDM87;2114433]Also does Maliboro have selection of Russian or Colombian or other nationalities? [/QUOTE]Yes it does. As far as your other questions about malio or bats, that depends on your taste. Malio is a brothel where you won't take the girls to your hotel, bats is all free lancers where you need to take them to your hotel to shag. The girls at Malio are younger and better looking. The girls at BATS are better in bed, are older, and speak English. Taxi will take less than an hour.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2114687]Yes it does. As far as your other questions about malio or bats, that depends on your taste. Malio is a brothel where you won't take the girls to your hotel, bats is all free lancers where you need to take them to your hotel to shag. The girls at Malio are younger and better looking. The girls at BATS are better in bed, are older, and speak English. Taxi will take less than an hour.[/QUOTE]Between does Harris vertue have girls in the lobby like other hotels have?

[QUOTE=RDM87;2114730]Between does Harris vertue have girls in the lobby like other hotels have?[/QUOTE]Inside Harris hotel lobby you will not find any girls. That hotel is a good place to stay, but you won't be picking up any girls in the hotel. There are very few hotels in Jakarta where you can pick working girls up in the lobby or a bar inside the hotel. You are right across the street from malioboro though and can walk there in a few minutes.

Hi,

Just landed in Jakarta last night as I had come for official purpose. On my badoo but could not get any response or connection, so message my earlier girl and she very much obliged to walk into my room. Had shower and gave such a great BBJ that I just gave all my load to her and she just swallow each drop out of it. Then she relaxed me and once I am hard again she very much oblige to put cover and put it in her pussy. Had a great relaxation time. Gave her 1 million and taxi for 100 K and very much she slip out at night. She immediately recognised my number and agree to come down that was her good quality.

Don't mind to repeat her tonight as I am not in mood to hang out in local bars and fish around as I return back from meeting and dinner late and many time host vehicle drop you right at the hotel, so does not find mood to hang out again. So this in call service direct works really well for me.

Happy to share contact who need her.

The best thing about Indonesia and Jakarta in particular is just the supply of young girls that come flooding in from far and wide. 18 yrs, 19 yrs, 20 yrs. That for me is the single greatest thing about living in Indonesia. Two on Thursday, one Friday. And the crazy thing is I couldn't possibly try them all. As fast as OS can get through them there's another turns up, and some of them are so nice and so gracious. You would be surprised how many of them love sex especially when they've never tasted 7" of big thick bule thing before. I love them so!

Long may live Indonesia and all it's beautiful girls.

I found something I thought to be interesting on the web today, and you guys who have been around Jakarta or Bali for a few years may appreciate it. I would imagine that many guys who have been mongering in Indonesia over a span of years starting around 2008 until now have met, been with, or wanted to be with a fairly well known (among expats) Indonesian girl named Serliana. Of any Indonesian girl these days, I would think she would be the closest thing to a current somewhat well known sex symbol for western expats. I first met her around 2008 and I think she was 21 back then, so she would be about 30 now. She used to hang out at Red Square, CJs and Bats back around 2008 to 2010. She always was a wild one who loved to party. She's one of those girls who would get drunk and make out with her girlfriends in the bar who were up for it. I have memories of some very hot nights when she was around. I was into one of her friends at the time, so I was around that group of girls on occasion and it was never a dull night. Then she moved to Bali and had breast enlargement surgery. She was already fairly sexy, but that enlargement really made her very very sexy and she became extremely popular. It was an amazing transformation. After the boob job, I would see her in Bali (mostly at Coccoon) or sometimes in Singapore at Brix, but she could still be seen in Jakarta as well on occasion. I haven't seen her in person in a few years (I know she got married, had a kid, divorced and I believe is married yet again to another guy). However, although she's had a kid, she still looks quite sexy.

Anyway, if you do a google image search on "serliana playboy slovenia", you can check out some of her current nude photos. It seems they were shot in September. Anyone who doesn't only like white skinned girls will appreciate the pics, but they will be more special to those who have known her over the years. Now that Jupe is gone and Tiara Lestari has way passed her prime, Serliana's the biggest sex symbol in Indonesia in my eyes. Over and above the boob job, she has filled out in all the right places from the very skinny girl she was back in 2009.

The reason I searched her today is because I was reminded about her by a youtube video. Rather than play mp3's, sometimes I like to play videos on a certain youtube channel on my TV because it has music I like and the videos have hot women. Basically almost all the women are white women. However, I noticed that Serliana was in a video for a Def Leppard song. If you do a youtube search on "def leppard women stroker ace" you can see it. I'd be curious where the heck he found a video of her to include in one of his videos.

I'm not trying to promote her, but it does look like she's getting noticed. I just found it interesting.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2118289]

Anyway, if you do a google image search on "serliana playboy slovenia", you can check out some of her current nude photos. [/QUOTE]They worked overtime in photoshop or with cover all make up to get the tattoo coverage down.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2118289]
The reason I searched her today is because I was reminded about her by a youtube video. [/QUOTE]I prefer the ones uncovered by this search: "serlyana rosida model FHM Jakarta" which supposedly details a young tattooless girl doing her best work in a spa pool. Alexis maybe?

Searching for "Indo Model Serlyana R" will uncover the full video that was used in that Def Leppard one.

You're welcome.

Personally whilst I never had the pleasure (fancy that, missing out on an Indo expat hangout girl) her photos didn't do much to impress, though she certainly was more impressive in real life in Red Square. It seems that the more contact they have with expats, or the more they earn a living from them, the more crappy tattoos appear. I can think of two (one featured here, who also erm came to prominence around 2009) that progressively got sillier tattoos as their 'career' progressed. The stars seem to be a popular one (another featured here has since had hers removed at great expense and pain to the management) but at least they aren't as bad as angel wings. Especially when they get one at a time! Still, gives you something to look at instead of engaging in intelligent conversation, which with most of this lot will bring your IQ down into double digits.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2118354]
I prefer the ones uncovered by this search: "serlyana rosida model FHM Jakarta" which supposedly details a young tattooless girl doing her best work in a spa pool. Alexis maybe?[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing, I notice a video of my ex girlfriend on that porn site. Haha. No sex though, she's just doing a sexy dance. Unfortunately, there's a bit too much cock in that "serlyana rosida model FHM Jakarta" for my eyes, but the dude looks like he might be Menteng!

I doubt Stroker Ace pulled the video he used from that "Indo Model Serlyana r" one simply because that video isn't high enough quality and is mostly blurry. There are multiple videos of her on youtube so he most likely pulled it from one of those. She also used to post multiple videos on her facebook, but I doubt he got them from facebook. I'm just surprised he pulled any indo video at all.

We used to joke that she was the gynecology model back around 2009. She used to pose for many photos back then and over 50 percent were her spreading her pussy wide. They've been on the internet for years though. She always had some tats even dating back to 2008, just not as many back then.

I think playboy photoshops every photo of every girl. However, I have some photos taken with her at Coccoon post boob job and pre baby and they aren't photoshopped one bit. She looks very similar to those playboy photos in those Coccoon photos. Glad to see she's doing well.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2118354]They worked overtime in photoshop or with cover all make up to get the tattoo coverage down.

I can think of two (one featured here, who also erm came to prominence around 2009) that progressively got sillier tattoos as their 'career' progressed. The stars seem to be a popular one (another featured here has since had hers removed at great expense and pain to the management) but at least they aren't as bad as angel wings. Especially when they get one at a time! Still, gives you something to look at instead of engaging in intelligent conversation, which with most of this lot will bring your IQ down into double digits.[/QUOTE]I find the The Tramp Stamp trend of tattoos very vulgar. I remember when they were taboo in the Indies. Read Paul Theroux's novel Saint Jack set in '70's Singapore if you need to know why. The internet killed of characters like Jack Flowers sadly.

Does anyone recollect the "Tanamur Head Spinner" Indo girl from 90's called Petra Verkaik? She told me rather than getting a tattoo she got acupuncture to stop smoking. A very wise career move IMHO, she was the first Indo girl that made a successful career in soft porn after the slim one whose name I forget who was in the Emmanuelle films.

I went to CJ's and Bats a few weeks ago but while I enjoyed the atmosphere I found all the girls to be mingers. Just like Badoo / Tinder I find the place too transactional from the offset The cuties are willing to get taken away far too early, it's a shame they don't want to enjoy themselves clubbing first.

The one's that are left over explain that they had a Dutch or German grandparent. I really don't see how that add's value announcing to me their grandma was a Nyai. I don't think I've left CJ's or Bats with a hookup for over 4 years. I'm just glad the granite faced one's in their 'late '50's avoid me.

It's much more fun getting your balls emptied in Kota. Report to follow.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2118409]
Does anyone recollect the "Tanamur Head Spinner" Indo girl from 90's called Petra Verkaik? [/QUOTE]I don't recall her in Tanamur. I do recall that one chick who always wore the bikini. I think it was either an American or British flag bikini. Smoking hot. But I don't think that was Petra Verkaik. Petra looks extremely hot, but she looks like a white woman.

Hi,

I was a contributor to the Manila, Bali, Mexico City, London and Shanghai forum few years.

Ago, but now I have forgotten my username having been inactive on ISG for a while.

I am planning a trip to CGK over the holidays (10 days) and wanted to confirm some details.

Having RTFF. Plan is to spend few days in Jakarta find a chick to travel with. I am writing this.

From work, so it lacks the use of some particular words. I'm a late 20's south Asian guy.

1. Hotel: Aryaduta and Harris both seems to offer good value for money. Is there a.

Particular location for either of these? Any other hotels in the same price range? I need.

Good internet and want to avoid the walk of shame. I prefer guests coming to my room.

Directly without much hassle. Discretion is a must.

2. I like to use Tinder and this has worked ok in the past. But, it'll be a shame to not use the.

Joints discussed here. For incall, how many times can I finish in the allocated time? For.

Outcalls, is 1000 k IDR the norm? I don't want to overpay and inflate the market for others.

3. I really hate covering up (I know the risks, never caught anything so far! Is BB service.

And completion inside usually allowed at the joints discussed here? If not, how easy is it.

To find it. Manila, London and Tinder dates in Bali were great for this. Not too sure about.

Jakarta. Please confirm.

4. Where can I get some manscaping etc. Done? Any good places?

5. I like to get tested before and after my escapades. Has anyone done this before? Please.

Recommend reliable clinics.

6. Lastly, I will definitely need some help staying up. Easy to get generic stuff from the.

Pharmacy?

If things work according to plan, I should be there in the next few day or by the weekend. Any.

Other suggestions about locations outside Jakarta will be appreciated too (I've already done.

Bandung) Wingman with local knowledge will be useful.

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Hi,

I was a contributor to the Manila, Bali, Mexico City, London and Shanghai forum few years ago, but now I have forgotten my username having been inactive on ISG for a while.

I am planning a trip to CGK over the holidays (10 days) and wanted to confirm some details.

Having RTFF. Plan is to spend few days in Jakarta find a chick to travel with. I am writing this from work, so it lacks the use of some particular words. I'm a late 20's south Asian guy.

1. Hotel: Aryaduta and Harris both seems to offer good value for money. Is there a particular location for either of these? Any other hotels in the same price range? I need Good internet, maybe a view and want to avoid the walk of shame. I prefer guests coming to my room Directly without much hassle. Discretion is a must.

2. I like to use Tinder and this has worked ok in the past. But, it'll be a shame to not use the Joints discussed here. For incalls, how many times can I finish in the allocated time? For Outcalls, is 1000 k IDR the norm? I don't want to overpay and inflate the market for others.

3. I really hate covering up (I know the risks, never caught anything so far! Is BB service And completion inside usually allowed at the joints discussed here? If not, how easy is it To find it. Manila, London and Tinder dates in Bali were great for this. Not too sure about in Jakarta. Please confirm.

4. Where can I get some manscaping etc. Done? Any good places?

5. I like to get tested before and after my escapades. Has anyone done this before? Please Recommend reliable clinics.

6. Lastly, I will definitely need some help staying up. Easy to get generic stuff from the Pharmacy?

If things work according to plan, I should be there in the next few day or by the weekend. Any.

Other suggestions about locations outside Jakarta will be appreciated too (I've already covered Bandung) Wingman with local knowledge will be useful.

Petra Verkaik was a busty Playboy centerfold as I recall. Not likely.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2118420]I don't recall her in Tanamur. I do recall that one chick who always wore the bikini. I think it was either an American or British flag bikini. Smoking hot. But I don't think that was Petra Verkaik. Petra looks extremely hot, but she looks like a white woman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2118488]Petra Verkaik was a busty Playboy centerfold as I recall. Not likely.[/QUOTE]She's half Indonesian though so it's possible.

Just saw the mention of Tanamur.

God I miss that place. Never seen anywhere that comes close since those days.

Hello fellow mongers,

I am planning to visit Indonesia and would like to know if there is any place to pick up Russian working girls in Jakarta and Bali (like shock 39 in Bangkok). I did RTFF and apologies if this has already been discussed and I missed out.

I know most of you will tell me if I want Russians, I should rather go to Russia. But on my passport, it is not that easy.

[QUOTE=DCups;2118488]Petra Verkaik was a busty Playboy centerfold as I recall. Not likely.[/QUOTE]You probably think it was not likely that the gogo girls were tied to the rooftop rafters in Tanamur.

Or Grace Jones turned up to to her own celebration night (bottom left in hat) in Tanah Abang Timor.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2118769]You probably think it was not likely that the gogo girls were tied to the rooftop rafters in Tanamur.[/QUOTE]"tied"? I never saw that! I know they were always in the rafters dancing and I loved watching them. Those girls never seemed to give any of the Bules a shot with them. They all seemed to have local indo boyfriends and were off limits to us westerners. However, I have since become fairly good friends with an ex Tanamur dancer. She still looks quite good even though she has to be late 30's or early 40's now.

I'd love to see someone re-open Tanamur. There's really nothing in town that compares to that place anymore.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2118774]"tied"? I never saw that! I know they were always in the rafters dancing and I loved watching them. Those girls never seemed to give any of the Bules a shot with them. They all seemed to have local indo boyfriends and were off limits to us westerners. However, I have since become fairly good friends with an ex Tanamur dancer. She still looks quite good even though she has to be late 30's or early 40's now.

I'd love to see someone re-open Tanamur. There's really nothing in town that compares to that place anymore.[/QUOTE]It was a well-heeled choreographer that had the idea of dancing from the rafters. Some even swung across the dance floor like Peter Pan. By the early '90's they had built a safer gangway where presumably Smoothy goggled at them. Many of the dancers were professionals from Cruiseships and TV.

It was a tanamur dancer who first took me to the Lipstik roller disco in Blok M, my balls hadn't dropped so I don't think I appreciated her long legs. But hey I was the King of the Blok M jungle in that roller-skate disco for many years.

One positive outcome from the current "clothes stay on" regime with the sexy dancers is the girls are beginning to experiment and improve their exotic dance techniques. The girls at the Emporium are really beginning to compete on the poles. Maybe Coyote dancers are the next trend in Jakarta we should look forward to until the Hadrami governor resigns.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2118815]
One positive outcome from the current "clothes stay on" regime with the sexy dancers is the girls are beginning to experiment and improve their exotic dance techniques. The girls at the Emporium are really beginning to compete on the poles.[/QUOTE]I never really thought the dancers at Emporium were anything special to look at, and mostly they were all lazy dancers (some have been pretty good). But there was one girl there who could actually pole dance. I haven't been there in over a year, so I doubt she's still there. But it's rare to find a girl in Jakarta who can actually dance other than the professional sexy dancers around town who dance for special occasions. I don't know how many here remember Red Icha who used to dance at D's place at times, but she was my favorite ever. The other ones I really liked was Gita who used to dance mainly at Red Square and Hannah who danced at various places and had that sexy pouty look. I think they are both married to westerners now though.

I don't know anything about those events, Pete. I've only been to Indo three times. Did you score with Petra Verkaik? I'd do her in a heartbeat even tho she's 50-something now. Older women need loving too! Love those huge boobs. Didn't realize her mom was Indo until I googled it. Cheers.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2118769]You probably think it was not likely that the gogo girls were tied to the rooftop rafters in Tanamur.

Or Grace Jones turned up to to her own celebration night (bottom left in hat) in Tanah Abang Timor.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;2119556]I don't know anything about those events, Pete. I've only been to Indo three times. Did you score with Petra Verkaik? I'd do her in a heartbeat even tho she's 50-something now. Older women need loving too! Love those huge boobs. Didn't realize her mom was Indo until I googled it. Cheers.

.[/QUOTE]In the late 80's she was in an episode of Married with Children where she was a model for Al Bundy's favorite magazine - "Big-Uns". Unfortunately, I don't think I ever saw her at Tanamur. Then again, I didn't get to Tanamur until the late 90's.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2119581]In the late 80's she was in an episode of Married with Children where she was a model for Al Bundy's favorite magazine - "Big-Uns". Unfortunately, I don't think I ever saw her at Tanamur. Then again, I didn't get to Tanamur until the late 90's.[/QUOTE]Are you sure it was her? I did see Teri Weigel, Penthouse Pet turned porn star, in one of the episodes of Married With Children.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2120069]Are you sure it was her? I did see Teri Weigel, Penthouse Pet turned porn star, in one of the episodes of Married With Children.[/QUOTE]Looks like it was from 1996.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQfQE2OG_YM[/URL]


There were lots of famous girls in that TV show from time to time. Terri Weigel was very hot in the episode she was in, so was Traci Lords. But I think I'd take Petra over both of them due to the Big-Uns.

I hate posting for requests for contacts but I m rather frustrated with we chat and the lot. I am from the uk but my heritage is indian / malaysian and unfortunately there is a horible stereotype against us. So would appreciate if anyone could help me out. I am in bali at the moment and have found the x houses to work but its kind of lonely at the night. I will be visiting Jakarta in Jan. And would be there for around 10 days and would like a few night stands or perhaps someone who would be able to be with me and of course bang them 2 to 3 times per day. Hence my request. Thinking of staying at classic once again. I thank You in advance for any help!

Mongering is very different in Indonasia from India or in Malaysia. Now in Jakarta you do prep before you come here. Such as you fix your contacts on DIA or other sources.

Another way is to RTFF.

[QUOTE=Rikiz;2120255]I hate posting for requests for contacts but I m rather frustrated with we chat and the lot. I am from the uk but my heritage is indian / malaysian and unfortunately there is a horible stereotype against us. So would appreciate if anyone could help me out. I am in bali at the moment and have found the x houses to work but its kind of lonely at the night. I will be visiting Jakarta in Jan. And would be there for around 10 days and would like a few night stands or perhaps someone who would be able to be with me and of course bang them 2 to 3 times per day. Hence my request. Thinking of staying at classic once again. I thank You in advance for any help![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120098]Looks like it was from 1996.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQfQE2OG_YM[/URL]


There were lots of famous girls in that TV show from time to time. Terri Weigel was very hot in the episode she was in, so was Traci Lords. But I think I'd take Petra over both of them due to the Big-Uns.[/QUOTE]I missed that episode. Loved the clip, though.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120098]Looks like it was from 1996.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQfQE2OG_YM[/URL]


There were lots of famous girls in that TV show from time to time. Terri Weigel was very hot in the episode she was in, so was Traci Lords. But I think I'd take Petra over both of them due to the Big-Uns.[/QUOTE]In 2000 I worked on Sint Maarten for a while and Teri Weigel was a guest stripper in one of the strip joints near Maho Beach in that time. Rules at the time forbade full nude, but she was available for trips to a separate room for nude lap dances. Way beyond my budget. Besides that, she was no longer the slim Penthouse Pet but had gained several inches. Her strip dance was excellent, though.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2120337]Mongering is very different in Indonasia from India or in Malaysia. [/QUOTE]True. It's actually extremely easy to get laid in Indonesia. India is close to impossible without connections and or speaking Hindi, and Malaysia is a mediocre place for mongering at best.

[QUOTE=DCups;2119556]I don't know anything about those events, Pete. I've only been to Indo three times. Did you score with Petra Verkaik? I'd do her in a heartbeat even tho she's 50-something now. Older women need loving too! Love those huge boobs. Didn't realize her mom was Indo until I googled it. Cheers.

.[/QUOTE]Both her parents were Indo (in the old Dutch meaning). I don't think her family would have approved of me going out with her, as I was a bit of a street urchin back then and more interested in visiting Tanamur for the music.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2119354]I never really thought the dancers at Emporium were anything special to look at, and mostly they were all lazy dancers (some have been pretty good). But there was one girl there who could actually pole dance. I haven't been there in over a year, so I doubt she's still there. But it's rare to find a girl in Jakarta who can actually dance other than the professional sexy dancers around town who dance for special occasions. [/QUOTE]Tease Club (Emporium) does seem to specialise in hiring girls from other clubs. Whenever I'm presented with a newbie by the fagasans the girls then invariably tell me they were previously in Malio / Alexis etc. I find the Tease club more relaxed than it's competitors. Hiring surly barmen to serve the big influx of foreign guests was a mistake as I really enjoyed the banter with the naive young students.

Last visit my credit card got charged Rp 700,000++ for a ladies drink. I though about complaining to the management but the girl (with a smoking hot rack) insisted she would include a BBBJ in the back box room, so I resisted complaining.

There was a club in the Jayakarta hotel that hired non-strip professional dancers for the punters but I didn't feel comfortable as people would come along to watch with their wifes and girlfriends.

[QUOTE=Rikiz;2120255]I hate posting for requests for contacts but I m rather frustrated with we chat and the lot. [/QUOTE]First comment, WeChat is a waste of time in Indo, they use WhatsApp, Instagram or Line. I'd a couple of good Indian friends who had no problem getting laid in Jakarta, so it's definitely possible, but unfortunately there is some bad feelings towards Indians in alot of the upper end clubs and the girls will stay clear unless they know you. I can't fault Tinder as a means of seeing what you can get, yes it costs a few dollars to get full use, but it's definitely worth it. Put on your profile that your British, use words like "generous gentleman looking for some fun" and see who hooks up with you. The only problem may be that they want to switch to WhatsApp to talk, which is hard to do anonymously unless you get a pay as you go SIM to set up your account. May be a total dud, but I'd be surprised. And don't knock back the older woman. I met up with a 43 year old ex-model, yes she could do with loosing about 5 kgs, but no kids, great set of tits and a good ass to grab hold off and an absolute nymphomaniac. I'll certainly be using Tinder for future visits if I get tired of my nympho or the other girls I know.

Jakarta, Philippines or Thailand girls have suffered a lot of trauma in hands of Indians. When I was in Kualalumpur, A Pinoy girl Start cussing at any Indian she see at the beach club. I asked her why you so mean to Indian looking men. She said Indian tourist robbed her and ganged [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her as well.

Accoording to her, an Indian dude picked her up and took her to hotel, after having sex with him, he called 7 more friends and they all had sex with her. At the end her money she made from previous Clint was missing and they paid her half of what she asked.

[QUOTE=Rikiz;2120255]I hate posting for requests for contacts but I m rather frustrated with we chat and the lot. I am from the uk but my heritage is indian / malaysian and unfortunately there is a horible stereotype against us. So would appreciate if anyone could help me out. I am in bali at the moment and have found the x houses to work but its kind of lonely at the night. I will be visiting Jakarta in Jan. And would be there for around 10 days and would like a few night stands or perhaps someone who would be able to be with me and of course bang them 2 to 3 times per day. Hence my request. Thinking of staying at classic once again. I thank You in advance for any help![/QUOTE]

Planning to spend few days in Jakarta next week for the new year, I am wondering if this period is appropriate to visiting clubs.

Is now any other place replacing Hotel Alexis?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2120607]There was a club in the Jayakarta hotel that hired non-strip professional dancers for the punters but I didn't feel comfortable as people would come along to watch with their wifes and girlfriends.[/QUOTE]That place is still around and called 36, has the same midget at the door for 10+ years as well. Love that place, it's also one of the few places in Jakarta with decent Thai chicks and it's not too expensive.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2120904]I was in Kualalumpur, A Pinoy girl Start cussing at any Indian she see at the beach club. [/QUOTE]Was in the BC a couple of months ago and a huge argument started up between a bunch of girls and an Indian dude after they spotted him walking round taking pictures of all the girls he liked. Guess he was planning to go back for a five fingered shuffle to save a few dollars. Couple of girls surrounded him and where making him delete photos. Sort of wonder about some guys, and yes have heard other horror stories from some of my regulars.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2121112]Was in the BC a couple of months ago and a huge argument started up between a bunch of girls and an Indian dude after they spotted him walking round taking pictures of all the girls he liked. Guess he was planning to go back for a five fingered shuffle to save a few dollars. Couple of girls surrounded him and where making him delete photos. Sort of wonder about some guys, and yes have heard other horror stories from some of my regulars.[/QUOTE]If you are from the sub continent good luck in BC or TC. Unfortunately girls opinion of these men are not great. At matter of fact gauging from my 3 trips there and speaking to the girls I would say you have a chance with 20% of the girls there. I too have heard horror stories about smelly, unclean, rough sub continent men who sometimes refuse to pay or short change the girls.

Warning: This post is going to be boring for long time Jakarta mongerers and for those of you who only frequent the high end spas and clubs.

This is a summary of my very recent 6 night stay in Jakarta.

For the record, I'm a 58 year old Caucasian with average looks, medium-build body, blue eyes, fairly white skin, and fully gray hair. I'm clean-shaven, dress neatly yet casually, and shower twice a day. I bring this up because it's amazing how many western guys I encounter in clubs here in Asia who are a bit negligent about personal hygiene.

I'm not overly fussy about the quality of my hotels and women, and I economize a bit because I'm now retired. I try to keep my cewek target price around 300-500,000 rupiah. And I don't want to spend more than $50 USA Currency for a 4 star hotel.

I do think the price / value ratio at places like Hotel Classic and Travel is very good. It's amazing how attractive many of the women are, but very few girls speak English and for me the service has become rather routine over time.

Unlike most posters here, I don't search for young model-quality females. I'm very comfortable with someone between the ages of 30-40. Above-average looking gals with dark skin and chunky bodies are fine as long as they dress sexy in a skirt and heels and have a great attitude.

I seek variety so I spice up my nights with visits to clubs along with brothels and streetwalkers. I like to talk, drink and party with someone before making a commitment. I can more adequately assess whether she has decent quality English skills and has the potential for giving me the attention I deserve. Nothing like running my hand up her thigh while she's rubbing my cock through my jeans to seal the deal.

This time I stayed in North Jakarta at the 4 star Novotel Gajah Mada. Only $41 USA Per night through the Expedia website. I very highly recommend this hotel. Large, clean, and well-maintained room with a comfy king-sized bed and consistently fast internet. The free breakfast was adequate but nothing special. Bluebird / Pukasa taxis cost 35,000 to travel to central Jakarta and 70,000 to Blok M. And the Olimo Transjakarta bus stop for north-south line #1 is a short walk away.

My first day I headed over to the Lokasari Square in Mangga Besar in the middle afternoon for a freelancer. Some of you may be acquainted with the mamasan who operates from an outside back corner table at KFC (located on the access road between the Square and Jalan Mangga Besar). Luckily on that day she had a great-looking girl sitting with her, a 17 year old thin long-haired cutie for 300 K (yes, 17 is legal in Indonesia and she had a photo ID). I'd say she was a solid 7 and very good looking compared to the typical Lokasari girl. Unfortunately she spoke zero English but I just could not pass her up.

She ended up being very shy and never warmed up in the room the way I hoped. But she had a smoking hot body and a tight box and was sufficiently compliant. No fireworks but it was great value for the money.

The second night I headed back to Lokasari and encountered a moderately-attractive 35 year old standing in front of the Prinsen Park Hotel (Google maps has this hotel in the wrong spot. It's located between Lokasari Square and Jalan Mangga Besar).

Unfortunately she had a bit of a flabby belly. But she spoke very good English and seemed to be a fun person. We stood and talked for about 5 minutes, then headed to a sidewalk eatery and split 2 big bottles of Bintang beer, where we settled on a price of 400 K. She said I would be her first bule customer, but who knows for sure.

We got to the room at 10 pm and she left at 5 am. Lots of kissing, multiple great BBBJs and 3 rounds of intercourse. Round 3 started by her waking me out of a dead sleep by stroking my cock and blowing in my ear. She drained every gram of sperm out of me. When she left she gave me her phone number and Facebook ID and told me she loved me. Blah blah blah, at the door I gave her an extra 50,000 and sent her on her merry way. But she was an amazing performer.

Days 3-5 to follow.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2121259]If you are from the sub continent good luck in BC or TC. Unfortunately girls opinion of these men are not great. At matter of fact gauging from my 3 trips there and speaking to the girls I would say you have a chance with 20% of the girls there. I too have heard horror stories about smelly, unclean, rough sub continent men who sometimes refuse to pay or short change the girls.[/QUOTE]I am generelly not part of these discussions. But somehow thought to share a some facts.

Lets not stereotype things. I know here in Malaysia, many great pinays living in harem of.

Malaysian Indians.

There may be bad people too in the subcontinent but if you ever go and see why BC charges.

Are increasing day by day becauae these peoole come here as a tourist and pay the gal what they ask.

I have seen many pakistani people in here (check estana curry club) also behaving super shit.

I have seen many white people being beaten by security guards at Changkat for ill behaviour (I have saved some and one of them is.

Here).

I have seen many young duds from Europe getting girls from beach club and not paying them.

I have seen many chinese fellas beating gals and raising voices.

I have seen many indian fellas stalking gals like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] with sight.

I have seen many old white dicks discussing over 100 myr with a WG.

I have seen many arabs trging to grope any gal they see in the club.

I am writing here because m againest any kind of racist stereotype.

I have not seen any seasoned monger crying over other nationalities, only some.

Once in a blue moon mongers are crying foul.

Disclaimer- lets hunt it. My list in south east Asia is always running full. I wish I have a sperm generation machine. And certainly not from this continent.

Any fella who feels being discarded by WGs in Kl. Welcome to PM me. Let me show you.

How entire club gals lick you when you enter but being a gentleman is the key.

No matter where you come from. Respect the gals like a gal. Treat them nice.

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Just finished detail reports on KL & before Sabang so please assist.

First time in Jakarta. My preferences to find freelancer and bring back to hotel room. Find spas etc too fast & rushed, mechanical GFE is important.

Also prefer to interview and gauge chemistry etc ala Beach club KL.

Considering 2 options. Stay HARRIS Vertu Hotel Harmoni and visit Lokasari Plaza for FL and Maliboro for alternate option.

Or.

Was looking at be Fashion hotel where everything is there on site. (but hotel looks a bit dodgy).

Budget 500- 1 mill. Would be nice, ST only, as said don't have to be glamours but GFE is v important.

Please advise your thoughts. Regards.

On my third night I was pretty darned tired due to yesterday's ball draining. So I planned on taking it easy by going to a club to listen to music and talking to some westerners. Through internet research I came across Jalan Jaksa, which is the backpacker area of Jakarta, similar to Khao San Road in Bangkok except much smaller. I had read about a small club / hostal called Memories Cafe, where a few westerners and working girls tend to congregate. It sounded intriguing so I headed over there at around 10 pm on Friday night.

I can't say there was anything too memorable about Memories. The 3 person band was okay and a large bottle of Bintang was only 50 K. A westerner came by my table and we proceeded to talk and drink, and I slowly became drunker and hornier. I walked outside and glanced at the two tables of multiple un-escorted women, but they were far below even my less than lofty standards and simply not doable. I would never recommend going there for the express purpose of picking up a lady for hire.

However, at a neighboring table inside the cafe a moderately attractive gal had been giving me the eye. 37 years old, about 5 feet tall and only about 90 pounds, she was a tiny little thing. She and her two friends had been there around an hour, and she was already getting fairly tipsy. I mustered up the courage to head to their table to say Hello, and she was quite friendly. After a few minutes we started dirty dancing, then headed back to the table where she sat on my lap. She then started rubbing my hard cock and said it didn't feel like an old man dick, haha. I sensed she was a semi-pro, so I figured I'd just see where the night went.

After a while she asked whether I wanted to go to another club in south Jakarta. By this time the alcohol had numbed my sense of logic and fear, so I threw caution to the wind and we all hopped in a Bluebird taxi and sped away.

The club we ended up at was called Eastern Promise. It attracts a lot of western guys and I highly recommend it. It's divided up into 4 areas: restaurant, sports bar, live band bar, and a general bar. We headed to the general bar area and I was shocked at how crowded it was at 3 am. The female-male ratio was about 2-1 and I was pleasantly surprised with how attractive most women were. I would estimate there were at least 6 pros there, and all were doable.

A pitcher of Bintang was 245 K and it was adequate for the 4 of us. She and I did more hand holding and some simulated pole dancing for me. By 4 am I was really tired and shit-faced and needed a change of scenery. We all piled in an Uber-type car and headed back to Jaksa where we dropped off her friends. She then insisted on escorting me to my hotel. I was only good for one round but my gosh, what a round it was. We didn't talk about money but when she left at 7 am I slipped 500 K in her open purse. Of course she noticed but never counted the amount. It was one hell of a night.

Saturday night found me tired as hell, yet bored just sitting around the room. I decided on going to Blok M Jalan Falatehan for the first time. Unfortunately I got there too early, at 10 pm. It hadn't sunk in that the party in Jakarta doesn't get going until after midnight. As other posters have mentioned, that street is a shithole. There are only 4 or 5 bars open, and only two with any meaningful action: DJ's and MyBar. I sat at DJ's for a while and watched the 3-4 dancers (more like swayers in their 6 inch heels) operating on the elevated stage. Drafts of Bintang were a very reasonable 41 K. Plenty of moderately attractive thin, dark, and mostly tattooed ladies dressed in tight sultry outfits, so it was a nice way to pass the time.

On the short walk to MyBar a short chubby girl named Rani called to me from across the street. A rather plain "girl next door" type with a beautiful smile. As she spoke pretty good English, we were able to sit and talk a while. She had arrived that day from a month-long vacation in Bandung and only had 4 K in her purse. She politely pleaded for me to take her and promised good service. I'm a softy for a hardluck story so I offered 500 K for overnight, to which she agreed.

In the taxi she was not shy about kissing me deeply and rubbing my cock, so I figured I was in for a good night. We used 3 condoms but only 1 cum because I was worn out. During the second session her pussy tightened and she moaned. Afterward she mentioned her climax was the first she had experienced in months. She then proceeded to thank me over and over again for going over the call of duty. I'm such a helpful guy. She even let me take some racy photos.

In the morning I gave her 100 K extra to cover her transportation back to south Jakarta. Of course I assume she was just going to ride the bus which costs only 3,500 rupiah.

Day 5 to follow.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2121310]
The club we ended up at was called Eastern Promise. It attracts a lot of western guys and I highly recommend it. It's divided up into 4 areas: restaurant, sports bar, live band bar, and a general bar. We headed to the general bar area and I was shocked at how crowded it was at 3 am. The female-male ratio was about 2-1 and I was pleasantly surprised with how attractive most women were. I would estimate there were at least 6 pros there, and all were doable.[/QUOTE]Eastern Promise has been around for a long time, but it's become more of a pickup spot lately than it was in years past. Now that Top Gun is closed, many of the Top Gun girls go to Eastern Promise. EP is only happening on Friday and Saturday nights though. Every other night is pretty dead. I'm not really a fan of EP, I much preferred Top Gun. It gets damn hot outback in the area where they have the band outside since there is no air conditioning out there.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2121310]On my third night I was pretty darned tired due to yesterday's ball draining. So I planned on taking it easy by going . . . However, at a neighboring table inside the cafe a moderately attractive gal had been giving me the eye. 37 years old, about 5 feet tall and only about 90 pounds.[/QUOTE]I hate it when that happens LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121313]Eastern Promise has been around for a long time, but it's become more of a pickup spot lately than it was in years past. Now that Top Gun is closed, many of the Top Gun girls go to Eastern Promise. EP is only happening on Friday and Saturday nights though. Every other night is pretty dead. I'm not really a fan of EP, I much preferred Top Gun. It gets damn hot outback in the area where they have the band outside since there is no air conditioning out there.[/QUOTE]I ventured back there on Sunday night (Christmas eve) and the crowd in the regular bar was only 1/3rd the size of Saturday night. The live band bar was hopping with locals, but you're right, it was hotter than hell in there so I quickly retreated. Eventually two young ladies came in the regular bar and we caught each other's eyes. They sauntered over to my table and I bought each a bottle of San Miguel, reasonably priced at 52,000 rupiah. Unfortunately the super cute one spoke no English and the plainer one wasn't hot enough to counter my reduced level of hornyness. She did start rubbing my thigh and asked if I was interested in a threesome, but I was worn out.

If you have any suggestions on bars similar to Eastern Promise, I'd love to hear about them.

By night #5 I was friggin' fatigued. I wasn't the slightest bit horny. But it was my last night in the Big Durian and I didn't want to waste it by watching CNN in the hotel room. So at 10 pm I hailed a Pukasa taxi and headed back to the Eastern Promise bar complex. There wasn't a big crowd in the bule bar section and my body wasn't really ready for action, so I headed out of there at around 11:30 pm. I hadn't yet been inside MyBar on Blok M Jalan Falatehan so I figured I'd check it out on the way home.

Sunday night was Christmas Eve and I didn't have high hopes for much to be happening there. As I suspected, at midnight on Sunday the crowd was pretty darned sparse and the quality of females was severely lacking. But I was already there so I sat at the bar and ordered a draft of Bintang, which cost 65 K. The crowd started picking up after 1 am and there ended up being a few highly doable women present by 2 am.

Anyway, I sat alone for a while until a rather eccentric regular American customer sat in a neighboring chair and we chatted for a while. I asked him how many of the female customers are available for hire, and he said every one of them is there for our pleasure. My kind of place, somewhat similar in nature if not in style to the LA Cafe in Manila.

After a while, one of his lady friends stopped by to say hello. And that's when my night changed for the better.

Her name is Sophia. She's a thin and light-skinned gal, somewhat tall for an Indonesian lady. I'm guessing she's in her 40's and has probably been working there for decades. For all I know she's probably a local legend, haha.

Anyway, he introduced me and we briefly chatted. Then a Christmas song (We Wish You a Merry Christmas) started playing and she and I started singing. She really warmed up to me and we sat on adjoining chairs with our arms around each other.

After a while we started dancing at our chairs. Then being such a congenial person, she started sticking her tongue down my throat. My gosh she was a voracious kisser and persistent crotch-rubber. She also leaned down and started giving me a simulated blow job through my pants, which was more stimulating than you might think. And she didn't complain when my hands roamed underneath her white mini dress, either.

I initially felt a little self-conscious about the public displays of affection, but after beer #4 I didn't give a shit about appearances. We must have made out for at least 1 1/2 hours, and my tongue and dick were fatigued from all her attention. By 3 am I was really really tired and told her I hated to leave but I really needed to go. She then apologetically asked if I could give her a little money so she could get some food. I handed her 100 K, for which she seemed extremely grateful.

The guy I was sitting with told me that Sophia is a genuinely nice person, and I have no reason to disagree. Never in my life have I had such a stimulating time without having sex. I'm assuming she will be hanging around MyBar for another decade, so I'm sure I'll see her again, haha.

To summarize, I had one hell of a time in Jakarta and didn't spend a ton of money. My day #1 conquest was a bit ho-hum, but all 4 subsequent women seemed genuinely attracted to me and went well out of their way to pleasure me.

I'm in Kuala Lumpur now. There are plenty of options here: Beach Club, Thai Club, ACE Building, Chinatown 40 ringgit shit-hole bordellos, and numerous naughty spas. But I really miss Jakarta. I'll certainly be back.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2121292]Just finished detail reports on KL <snip>
First time in Jakarta. My preferences to find freelancer and bring back to hotel room. Find spas etc too fast & rushed, mechanical GFE is important. Also prefer to interview and gauge chemistry etc ala Beach club KL.

Considering 2 options. Stay HARRIS Vertu Hotel Harmoni and visit Lokasari Plaza for FL and Maliboro for alternate option.

[/QUOTE]Hey NewImage, I liked your recent trip reports. Too bad about your Cebu City visit. I went to Cebu City one time on my cherry boy PI trip. I had a pretty good time there and met some nice girls, but I preferred MNL, AC, and Subic which is the primary reason I have not returned to Cebu in 6 or 7 years.

Personally, I think Jakarta has a lot more to offer than KL, so if you liked KL, I think you will love Jakarta.

Jakarta FL Pickups: CJ's & (to a slightly lesser degree) Bats are my two favorite pick up bars. ST is around 1,000,000. I have never been to Eastern Promise, but it sounds interesting based on Keen Eye Joe's recent report.

If its Thurs thru Saturday night around 1 am or later and in the unlikely event that you haven't found what you are looking for at CJ's or Bats or you are back out on the hunt for a 2nd session after visiting Malioboro / Malio, then head to Blok M. The street is a dump, but the bars are warm and inviting.

Stay at either the Harris Vertu or the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni. Both hotels are located within walking distance across the street from Malioboro / Malio.

MY REALLY IMPORTANT RECOMENDATION to you: check out Malio Club and Malioboro. It does not matter what your pre-Jakarta preference is. "WHEN in Rome" should be your guiding philosophy. The big mistake you made in Cebu was sticking too long with the internet social network pickup sites when they were not working for you and not switching to the local bar scene. Malioboro / Malio rocks and has a great assortment of girls in different price points. IMHO it puts Beach Club to shame. The only downside is that it is too prohibitively expensive to take a girl out of the club, but don't let that deter you from going and checking it out. Remember, When in Rome! I really think you will like Malioboro & Malio.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2121357]
Jakarta FL Pickups: CJ's & (to a slightly lesser degree) Bats are my two favorite pick up bars. ST is around 1,000,000.[/QUOTE]If you are regularly getting CJs and BATS girls for 1 million short time, you are doing better negotiating than anyone I know. 1 million is the lowest possible in those bars these days and the average is 1. 5 to 2 million. The hottest girls sometimes even ask 2. 5 depending on the ratio of men to women that night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121499]If you are regularly getting CJs and BATS girls for 1 million short time, you are doing better negotiating than anyone I know. 1 million is the lowest possible in those bars these days and the average is 1. 5 to 2 million. The hottest girls sometimes even ask 2. 5 depending on the ratio of men to women that night.[/QUOTE]Good morning Smoothy.

I have never paid more than 1 million for a ST CJ's or BATS girl, but of course this does not include drinks and tips. The last girl I took out of CJ's in April 2017 was very sexy and very friendly in the bar as we fooled around a little by the bar off the main room. I briefly touched on the subject of price and time and she was ok with my 1 mil plus "nice tip" if you make me happy offer. Which she did, so I gave her a 200,000 tip before she left my room. One of the memorable highlights of the session was slow dirty dancing and stripping together before she went down on me and blew me in front of the window of my Ayana MidPlaza Hotel room. Most girls want the curtain drawn.

My experience with the CJ's girl I took out before the last one mentioned above was a little different. I knew this one for a couple of years and we had made plans to meet up again at CJ's that night. She showed up about 45 minutes late with a girlfriend. I bought a bottle of Absolute Vodka so we could party in the bar. That was very expensive, but I did not care because this was a special occasion. The girls and I danced and kissed and entangled the next couple of hours while we consumed 3/4 of the bottle. The girls offered up a threesome, but I declined the invitation saying I wanted to have a one on one reunion first and we could do a threesome another night. The girlfriend was understanding. Long story short; I gave 'M' 1. 4 mil including a generous tip plus taxi money. She left around 4 am. The previous year I took her for a LT (multiple shags) for 2 mil plus tip.

I know you know Jakarta, so I will not argue with you if you are saying the CJ's price range has moved up. I just know what I paid in April and in previous trips. I am not a heavy negotiator. I don't believe in it because I think it kills the vibe. The vibe between myself and the 1st girl in the top paragraph was good. She originally was looking for a LT encounter. I countered her LT suggestion with my 1 mil offer for ST and clinched the deal with my "nice tip" if you make me happy which she readily accepted. The next time I am in CJ's or BATS and I find a girl I like, I will take note of what her 2018 asking price is and report back to the forum.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2121599]Good morning Smoothy.

I have never paid more than 1 million for a ST CJ's or BATS girl, but of course this does not include drinks and tips. The last girl I took out of CJ's in April 2017 was very sexy and very friendly in the bar and we fooled around a little by the bar off the main room. I briefly touched on the subject of price and time and she was ok with 1 mil and "nice tip" if she made me happy which she did. I gave her a 200,000 tip before she left my room. One of the memorable highlights of the session was dancing and stripping together in front of the window of my Ayana MidPlaza Hotel room.

My experience with the CJ's girl I took before the last one mentioned above was a little different. I knew this one for a couple of years and mad plans to meet up again at CJ's. She showed up about 45 minutes late with a girlfriend. I bought a bottle of Absolute Vodka so we could party in the bar. That was very expensive, but I did not care because this was a special occasion..[/QUOTE]I went to bats and CJS too but the price was from 1. 5 mils to 3 mils. Damn I bought them drinkw which cost like 140 k. Still all came down from 3 to 1.5 but not lower then that.

I tried x2 and dragonfly. Buy one bottle invited some hot chicks and rest was up to you.

One day at x 2 ,at the time of bar close, met one super nice gal and she came to ma hotel, the only time she spoke about money we were in hotel room which was disappointing but somehow managed her to agree on 1 mil. What a three holes she was. Night was all holes access.

Even taxi drivers are also friendly and took to some shady houses which was like 600 k for night.

Jakarta gals are a bit hot if they like to drain you.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2121339]By night #5 I was friggin' fatigued. I wasn't the slightest bit horny. But it was my last night in the Big Durian and I didn't want to waste it by watching CNN in the hotel room. So at 10 pm I hailed a Pukasa taxi and headed back to the Eastern Promise bar complex. There wasn't a big crowd in the bule bar section and my body wasn't really ready for action, so I headed out of there at around 11:30 pm. I hadn't yet been inside MyBar on Blok M Jalan Falatehan so I figured I'd check it out on the way home.

Sunday night was Christmas Eve and I didn't have high hopes for much to be happening there. .[/QUOTE]Thanks for a series of nice reports Joe, I like your style. It sounds like you created your own good luck.

I wouldn't mind betting you have an easy manner with these ladies, give a bit of yourself and the results just happen. My favourite Jakarta haunt is quite downmarket with lots of kampung girls and I have had some amazing experiences over the years from just treating them like human beings for whom the cards of good luck have not necessarily played out and be relaxed. I think when I die I will be thinking about my wild nights in that place.

So thanks again, you probably made yourself easy for the girls to like, I think your writing style gives that away.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2121622]Thanks for a series of nice reports Joe, I like your style. It sounds like you created your own good luck.

I wouldn't mind betting you have an easy manner with these ladies, give a bit of yourself and the results just happen. My favourite Jakarta haunt is quite downmarket with lots of kampung girls and I have had some amazing experiences over the years from just treating them like human beings for whom the cards of good luck have not necessarily played out and be relaxed. I think when I die I will be thinking about my wild nights in that place.

So thanks again, you probably made yourself easy for the girls to like, I think your writing style gives that away.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the kind words, OS. I'm a firm believer in the old adage, "the cheaper the grapes, the sweeter the wine". I'm just a simple guy with simple tastes who loves being with a simple gal who places me high on a pedestal.

Nothing disappoints me more than paying big money and receiving lackluster service. That's why when in Singapore, I've changed from being an Orchard Towers man to a Geylang guy.

Today I visited the ACE building in Kuala Lumpur and had a nice, high-spirited 30 minute session with a pleasant late-20's Viet gal for just $17 USA. If the session would have stunk, I could have just gone back downstairs and found another $17 gal. Yes I could have gone to a 60 minute spa for $50 or picked up a 2 hour short-timer at the Beach Club for $100 + drinks, but of course there's no guarantee of better service.

On my next Jakarta trip I probably will explore the Kota Indah bars off of Pen-J and perhaps some of the nightclubs in the Kota area of far north Jakarta. Any suggestions of other venues would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2121599]The next time I am in CJ's or BATS and I find a girl I like, I will take note of what her 2018 asking price is and report back to the forum.[/QUOTE]Sounds good. If you are getting them for 1 million, I am getting ripped off! Haha. I will say that there are girls there who will take 1 million, but they aren't the cream of the crop by any means. Then again, after I get to know a girl from BATS or CJs, they will normally accept 1 million (or less) even if they are a complete stunner. But the first night I meet them, I've not pulled a true stunner from CJs or BATS for only 1 million in years.

NewImage: since I start this online searches I never had to go to bars, Spas, or clubs anymore.

Always do your home work before you come to Indonasia.

I have programming software to keep track of all the girls I talk online.

I use Badoo, DIA, OkCupid, Tindar. OkCupid works much better for me. 99% of time girls don't ask for money straight, but I never let them go empty handed. My main target are non pros and I do not tell them I am looking for serious in relationship.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2121292]Just finished detail reports on KL & before Sabang so please assist.

First time in Jakarta. My preferences to find freelancer and bring back to hotel room. Find spas etc too fast & rushed, mechanical GFE is important.

Also prefer to interview and gauge chemistry etc ala Beach club KL.

Considering 2 options. Stay HARRIS Vertu Hotel Harmoni and visit Lokasari Plaza for FL and Maliboro for alternate option.

Or.

Was looking at be Fashion hotel where everything is there on site. (but hotel looks a bit dodgy).

Budget 500- 1 mill. Would be nice, ST only, as said don't have to be glamours but GFE is v important.

Please advise your thoughts. Regards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121661] Then again, after I get to know a girl from BATS or CJs, they will normally accept 1 million (or less) even if they are a complete stunner. But the first night I meet them, I've not pulled a true stunner from CJs or BATS for only 1 million in years.[/QUOTE]For Benchmarking purposes, I have:

- Got a slender shaped girl out of BATS all night for 1 million in early 2015 - night involved a fair amount of drinking and a trip to Blok M (with drinks for her friends too) before 'retiring' for the night.

- Had a pretty mid 30's ish girl out of CJs end of 2016 for 1. 5 million that involved a few rounds of drinks for her and her friend plus a whole heap of laughing before 'retiring' for the night.

- Have NFI about 2017 except for getting a ST quote of 1. 5 million in the last hour at CJs earlier this year which was a hassle even though she looked pretty decent. Deal wasn't taken up.

- Have had a 23 yo girl with her name tattoed on her arm for 300 k plus tips in FM1 who also waltzes through CJs at far higher rates (which is where she finds her bule boyfriends) - contacts lost unfortunately!

- Have had a 27 yo photo model off Tinder for 3 million ST in the last six months that blew away (figuratively and literally) the ones mentioned above in performance. And that's saying something as none of them were disappointing or ordinary.

Last two for perspective. Ok. I'm bragging.

Basically, better rates to be found at CJs and BATS with a lot of partying and drinking (so sticker rate isn't all in rate) or familiarity as demonstrated by Smoothy. Also lots of alternatives in either price direction that won't disappoint. Just get amongst it!

OK question for you guys if your paying 1.5 m or 2 m for a girl that's 100 to 140 usd. I can do that in the US and better in Thailand, Philippines why go to Jakarta?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2121695]
- Got a slender shaped girl out of BATS all night for 1 million in early 2015 - night involved a fair amount of drinking and a trip to Blok M (with drinks for her friends too) before 'retiring' for the night.[/QUOTE]I would be willing to bet that I know that girl. Any photos?

[QUOTE=Zman429;2121721]OK question for you guys if your paying 1.5 m or 2 m for a girl that's 100 to 140 usd. I can do that in the US and better in Thailand, Philippines why go to Jakarta?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Have you seen some of the pictures posted by OffshoreSwell and others of the 18 to 20-year-old delicious cuties they're nailing in Jakarta? That's all the motivation I need to go!

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2121677]NewImage: since I start this online searches I never had to go to bars, Spas, or clubs anymore.
I use Badoo, DIA, OkCupid, Tindar. OkCupid works much better for me. 99% of time girls don't ask for money straight, but I never let them go empty handed. My main target are non pros and I do not tell them I am looking for serious in relationship.[/QUOTE]A big shout out to all those who responded. I have not been a fan of social media being a 55 yo dinosaur stuck in the 70/80's but it seems the effortless and most time effective way to go. I also suppose on vacation we have lots of spare time so using these methods are plausible.

I am "attached" at home so I would imagine I would need 2 phones.

It would seem staying at the Harris Vertu or the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni is the way to go. Have to agree that paying 1. 5/ 2 mil defeats the purpose of going. My budget 500 - 1. 2 would be my budget considering other locations as mentioned.

Keen Eye it would seem we have similar MO and traits. Thanks for your reports, very helpful.

2 more quick q's. Blok M. A bit dodgy, dangerous? - Seems like takeaway from here could be good but even though I am a big guy (height LOL) don't want hassles with taxi mafia et al.

Also Lokasari Square and around. Worth trying for daytime pick up- anymore opinions re here?

Once again big thankyou to all.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2121792]

2 more quick q's. Blok M. A bit dodgy, dangerous? - Seems like takeaway from here could be good but even though I am a big guy (height LOL) don't want hassles with taxi mafia et al.

Also Lokasari Square and around. Worth trying for daytime pick up- anymore opinions re here?

Once again big thankyou to all.[/QUOTE]By the sounds of it Top Gun is now closed, so that would take any reason for me to go to the Blok away. There's still the's and MyBar, but they will must likely be feeling the pinch now that TG is closed. Was going to visit the Blok when I was in town a couple of weeks ago, fortunately saw the post that TG was closed, so didn't waste money on a taxi. The's was OK to visit on the way to TG, but never picked up from there. MyBar was always a late bar, don; t know what the scene is now. There is a report not so far back that the girls from TG have migrated to Eastern Promise in Kemang. Don't know in what numbers, and will be a bit of a pain if they have, as EP was always a good spot to start the night free of attention with a good curry and some beer.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121739]I would be willing to bet that I know that girl. Any photos?[/QUOTE]I think you would win the bet. There's not that many of them around in those bars matching that brief description. No photos of that one unfortunately. She wasn't super slender, but certainly more slender than 95% of the female attendees that night!

[QUOTE=NewImage;2121792]A big shout out to all those who responded. I have not been a fan of social media being a 55 yo dinosaur stuck in the 70/80's but it seems the effortless and most time effective way to go. I also suppose on vacation we have lots of spare time so using these methods are plausible.

I am "attached" at home so I would imagine I would need 2 phones.

It would seem staying at the Harris Vertu or the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni is the way to go. Have to agree that paying 1. 5/ 2 mil defeats the purpose of going. My budget 500 - 1. 2 would be my budget considering other locations as mentioned.

Keen Eye it would seem we have similar MO and traits. Thanks for your reports, very helpful.

2 more quick q's. Blok M. A bit dodgy, dangerous? - Seems like takeaway from here could be good but even though I am a big guy (height LOL) don't want hassles with taxi mafia et al.

Also Lokasari Square and around. Worth trying for daytime pick up- anymore opinions re here?

Once again big thankyou to all.[/QUOTE]I've only been to Blok M twice, both times in the previous week. I can't say I noticed any definite taxi mafia presence. There were always a couple of Bluebird / Pukasa taxis nearby but none parked directly in front of the clubs. I just walked up / down to the ends of Jalan Falatehan to find one.

The first night the driver used the meter without being prompted. But the second night, after getting in the car the driver informed me the price would be 200 K, which is outrageous. I already knew it would cost roughly 70 K to travel to North Jakarta so I hopped out and walked to the other end of the jalan and found another Bluebird, who used the meter.

When you take a taxi, make sure it says Bluebird or Pukasa on the side doors. There are taxis from other companies who have painted their cars with the same color scheme as the metered taxis to lure the unsuspecting customer, so always check the door.

As for safety, one night I walked a 360 degree oval around Jalan Falatehan and the neighboring 3 streets in pretty much an inebriated stupor because I wanted to flirt a little with the streetwalkers. Not one of my smartest decisions but I encountered no problems. In fact, the people I ran across at 3 am were pretty darned friendly and not outwardly menacing at all. But I don't plan on being so bold again.

By the way, the streetwalkers were asking for 300K for a BJ and 500K for short time. None of them were any superior in looks to some of the available girls in MyBar.

My last piece of advice: If you're going to Blok M, inform the driver you are going to Jalan Falatehan. Write it down on a piece of paper and show it to the driver. Don't just tell him you are going to the Blok M bars, like I did on my second night. He dropped me off in the much larger and nicer Japanese bar area of Blok M, which is a ways away from Falatehan. I ended up hiring a tuktuk cab to take me to the proper spot.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2122028]I've only been to Blok M twice, both times in the previous week. I can't say I noticed any definite taxi mafia presence. [/QUOTE]There are some crappy taxis still hanging out there, but nowadays there isn't the mafia taxi presence from years past. Bluebird taxis are actually allowed to pick people up and allowed to wait at the end of the street with no issues. 10 years ago, those taxis were terrified to infringe on the taxi mafia's turf. So that is one thing about Felatehan that has changed for the better. There also isn't the throng of little kids and old lady beggars in the street anymore. The most famous beggar of them all passed away a few years ago. Her name was Miriam and she was the old lady who used to pretend that she couldn't walk. She'd sit there in the street and ask for money and if someone didn't give her any, she'd say "I kill you tomorrow!" or "I bet your dick is too small to satisfy any woman". One time she was just outside the doorway of the beloved and since closed Lintas Melawai bar, sitting in the street and begging for money pretending that her legs were crippled. The girl I was with was going to give her money and I told the girl "don't give her anything, she's rude and a pain in the ass". Miriam immediately jumped up and ran after me telling me she was going to kill me. She was damn fast too! Luckily I was wearing tennis shoes that night or she would have caught me. Such a sweety. She will be missed by many.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2121820]By the sounds of it Top Gun is now closed, so that would take any reason for me to go to the Blok away. There's still the's and MyBar, but they will must likely be feeling the pinch now that TG is closed. Was going to visit the Blok when I was in town a couple of weeks ago, fortunately saw the post that TG was closed, so didn't waste money on a taxi. The's was OK to visit on the way to TG, but never picked up from there. MyBar was always a late bar, don; t know what the scene is now. There is a report not so far back that the girls from TG have migrated to Eastern Promise in Kemang. Don't know in what numbers, and will be a bit of a pain if they have, as EP was always a good spot to start the night free of attention with a good curry and some beer.[/QUOTE]If the girls have migrated to EP it should not be a big problem. They will not go to the restaurant and I guess not to the front bar too. The beer garden is my guess; I picked up a few MILF's there.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2121792]

2 more quick q's. Blok M. A bit dodgy, dangerous? - Seems like takeaway from here could be good but even though I am a big guy (height LOL) don't want hassles with taxi mafia et al..[/QUOTE]I worked on Java in 2014. I stayed in Jakarta a dozen times during my 6 month stay.

I always stayed at Hotel Falatehan on the same street as Top Gun et al. I spent many late nights (3 am) browsing the neighborhood, after my CJ's / BAT'S date left, and never once felt unsafe.

Sure, you get heckled a lot from the bystanders, but nothing more than that. I was 59 at the time; 6'1" and 250 lbs American.

Taxis were always problematic in that area with ridiculous rates. I always walked a few blocks to the Blok M mall and caught a taxi from there.

I return for 3 weeks in April 2018 and am truly excited.

Traveler, over and out.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2122126]If the girls have migrated to EP it should not be a big problem. They will not go to the restaurant and I guess not to the front bar too. The beer garden is my guess; I picked up a few MILF's there.[/QUOTE]The will probably go into the front bar during the week as the beer garden is closed during the week (or was when I was there last year). Always has been a few FL's in the front bar, but not many. When the beer garden is open over the weekend you get many more FL's in there.

Yesterday went to Malio club. Each and every girl was clothed. There was no nude dancing even after 1 am. And no girl was topless even in the balcony. But I did have a great time.

Is Malioboro just upstairs Malio club? And does it look like Classic Terminal.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2121357]Hey NewImage, I liked your recent trip reports. Too bad about your Cebu City visit. I went to Cebu City one time on my cherry boy PI trip. I had a pretty good time there and met some nice girls, but I preferred MNL, AC, and Subic which is the primary reason I have not returned to Cebu in 6 or 7 years.

Personally, I think Jakarta has a lot more to offer than KL, so if you liked KL, I think you will love Jakarta.

Jakarta FL Pickups: CJ's & (to a slightly lesser degree) Bats are my two favorite pick up bars. ST is around 1,000,000. I have never been to Eastern Promise, but it sounds interesting based on Keen Eye Joe's recent report.

If its Thurs thru Saturday night around 1 am or later and in the unlikely event that you haven't found what you are looking for at CJ's or Bats or you are back out on the hunt for a 2nd session after visiting Malioboro / Malio, then head to Blok M..[/QUOTE]

First time in Jakarta, and even though it was really late around 1 am, decided to check out the Malio Hotel. Google Maps shows two locations when you search Malio-- one on North Petojo near the Lion Air tower (and across from Harris Vertu hotel, which is how I found it from a previous report), and one called "MALIOBORO" on West Rawa. RTF from before, thanks for everyone's reports, but it appears I still need help lol.

Arrive at Malio Hotel and you can tell it's the spot because there are a ton of carts outside selling vitamin V and condoms, plus our favorite sketchy taxi drivers.

I enter through the most obvious entrance, go through a metal detector, receive a wristband, and then directed to elevators but no other instruction. I ended up on the 4th floor and got lost among the rooms before being directed back to the club area, which is two levels (I started on level 3, the upper level with the large booths and balcony where you can see down to the stage and lower level). There were several groups of girls in the booths, some with guys some without, and guys scattered around the balcony watching the dancers below.

I took a few minutes to take it all in, and figure out what was going on. It wasn't obvious that there was anything available as the girls for the most part looked bored and were just smoking / drinking on the upper level. Below, there were 5-6 dancers all wearing full dresses (kind of like what you might wear to the office) doing their best to look as bored as possible. A few started doing choreographed dances together later and seemed to have more fun.

I went down to the lower level, and had to flag down a server to get a beer. I saw what seemed to be mamasans wearing blazers with purses, but I wasn't sure. After about 45 min or so, a girl approached me who was pretty cute and who I would have taken upstairs, but she got greedy with the lady drinks and started ordering them without my approval, and tried to get me to order for her friend too. I told the waiter in no uncertain terms that I only ordered X and not what she said, and sent her away. I wish I could remember her name but she was fairer skinned with slightly brown dyed hair and while not a hardbody, slim with nice rack and on the taller side. Rounder face but cute. Of course most of the girls are wearing colored contacts, she had on greenish / blueish ones.

Later approached by a very bubbly GND face but very nice body girl. I got her # for later. It was pretty easy to get #s it seemed if you want to do a meeting for another day.

Finally, a dancer on stage caught my eye. On my way out I saw her and grabbed her to chat to. She had a crazy friend with blond hair, and huge tits for a small frame (could be push up, but she was very slim). She resembled Tia Tequila, very funny with decent English. My dancer girl had an even nicer body to me-- slim without an ounce of fat. I asked her to go up to the room, and this guy appeared (papasan? He told me the cost would be 2,080,000 rp for the room + 20 lady drinks at 65 k (1,300,000 rp), or a total of 3,380,000 rp!!

My hard-on went away when I saw that LOL. While I knew Malio from the club area wasn't cheap, I was expecting the total to be in the range of 1-2 m, not 3. 5 m. What was going on here?

I tried to negotiate but it went nowhere.

Also, I did not see where the Malio Bar area was-- is that on the first level? Or another one that I missed? Any other levels to worth checking out?

At this point it was 3 am, and I had a shot in the chamber. Debated between going home and trying one more time-- decided to check out Hotel Classic. Luckily it seems all these places are open until 4 am. While the first floor club area was closed already, the 3rd floor (or level 2) club was open, where within 10 minutes, a mms found me, and I picked a girl walking by who was very cute and had a slim, GND body (smaller but natural A / BS). Just my type. She was a sport in the room even though I took a while, and she even started to have pain because it took longer than she was used to-- she needs to use lube other than her own spit. But it was a nice finish despite having somewhat lower end facilities (a bouncy / saggy mattress, less than spotless floors and shower). It was acceptable, not the best. Probably similar to Onasis level in Bali vs Riverview. This was much more reasonable, total bill around 500 k including 2 beers and a water and entrance.

I should also say the venue was kind of depressing at this hour, and it was deserted in the common/public spaces. I think some of the guys actually stay here? Saw some at closing heading up the elevators. The 3rd floor club was huge, with high tables and chairs all over, a large are with a dozen or more pool tables, and a stage with unenthusiastic dancers, plus a large payment counter. Felt like how a locals-only casino might feel if there was no gambling haha. But there were a few cuties there, the and price is quite reasonable.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2122767] a girl approached me who was pretty cute and who I would have taken upstairs, but she got greedy with the lady drinks and started ordering them without my approval, and tried to get me to order for her friend too[/QUOTE]This is shocking. Who would have ever thought this might happen?

Full of great information. Disappointed to hear that about Malio. Going to be in the Harris Vertu for a week in February, will try my hand at Malio of course but 3,380,000 rp is ridiculous. Seems going there and getting numbers is the best way to utilize that facility.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2122767]First time in Jakarta, and even though it was really late around 1 am, decided to check out the Malio Hotel. Google Maps shows two locations when you search Malio-- one on North Petojo near the Lion Air tower (and across from Harris Vertu hotel, which is how I found it from a previous report), and one called "MALIOBORO" on West Rawa. RTF from before, thanks for everyone's reports, but it appears I still need help lol.

Arrive at Malio Hotel and you can tell it's the spot because there are a ton of carts outside selling vitamin V and condoms, plus our favorite sketchy taxi drivers.

I enter through the most obvious entrance, go through a metal detector, receive a wristband, and then directed to elevators but no other instruction. I ended up on the 4th floor and got lost among the rooms before being directed back to the club area, which is two levels (I started on level 3, the upper level with the large booths and balcony where you can see down to the stage and lower level). There were several groups of girls in the booths, some with guys some without, and guys scattered around the balcony watching the dancers below.

I took a few minutes to take it all in, and figure out what was going on. It wasn't obvious that there was anything available as the girls for the most part looked bored and were just smoking / drinking on the upper level. Below, there were 5-6 dancers all wearing full dresses (kind of like what you might wear to the office) doing their best to look as bored as possible. A few started doing choreographed dances together later and seemed to have more fun.

I went down to the lower level, and had to flag down a server to get a beer. I saw what seemed to be mamasans wearing blazers with purses, but I wasn't sure. After about 45 min or so, a girl approached me who was pretty cute and who I would have taken upstairs, but she got greedy with the lady drinks and started ordering them without my approval, and tried to get me to order for her friend too. I told the waiter in no uncertain terms that I only ordered X and not what she said, and sent her away. I wish I could remember her name but she was fairer skinned with slightly brown dyed hair and while not a hardbody, slim with nice rack and on the taller side. Rounder face but cute. Of course most of the girls are wearing colored contacts, she had on greenish / blueish ones.

Later approached by a very bubbly GND face but very nice body girl. I got her # for later. It was pretty easy to get #s it seemed if you want to do a meeting for another day.

Finally, a dancer on stage caught my eye. On my way out I saw her and grabbed her to chat to. She had a crazy friend with blond hair, and huge tits for a small frame (could be push up, but she was very slim). She resembled Tia Tequila, very funny with decent English. My dancer girl had an even nicer body to me-- slim without an ounce of fat. I asked her to go up to the room, and this guy appeared (papasan? He told me the cost would be 2,080,000 rp for the room + 20 lady drinks at 65 k (1,300,000 rp), or a total of 3,380,000 rp!!

My hard-on went away when I saw that LOL. While I knew Malio from the club area wasn't cheap, I was expecting the total to be in the range of 1-2 m, not 3. 5 m. What was going on here?

I tried to negotiate but it went nowhere.

Also, I did not see where the Malio Bar area was-- is that on the first level? Or another one that I missed? Any other levels to worth checking out?

At this point it was 3 am, and I had a shot in the chamber. Debated between going home and trying one more time-- decided to check out Hotel Classic. Luckily it seems all these places are open until 4 am. While the first floor club area was closed already, the 3rd floor (or level 2) club was open, where within 10 minutes, a mms found me, and I picked a girl walking by who was very cute and had a slim, GND body (smaller but natural A / BS). Just my type. She was a sport in the room even though I took a while, and she even started to have pain because it took longer than she was used to-- she needs to use lube other than her own spit. But it was a nice finish despite having somewhat lower end facilities (a bouncy / saggy mattress, less than spotless floors and shower). It was acceptable, not the best. Probably similar to Onasis level in Bali vs Riverview. This was much more reasonable, total bill around 500 k including 2 beers and a water and entrance.

I should also say the venue was kind of depressing at this hour, and it was deserted in the common/public spaces. I think some of the guys actually stay here? Saw some at closing heading up the elevators. The 3rd floor club was huge, with high tables and chairs all over, a large are with a dozen or more pool tables, and a stage with unenthusiastic dancers, plus a large payment counter. Felt like how a locals-only casino might feel if there was no gambling haha. But there were a few cuties there, the and price is quite reasonable.[/QUOTE]

I can't imagine going to Indo and pay 3,380,000 for a pussy. This is almost a Las Vegas rates. In Las Vegas prostitutes would have sex with anyone (old, disable, even you the ugliest men alive).

It's a 100% guaranteed you will get laid for this much here in US. Why would you go and pay this much thousands of miles away?

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2122824]Full of great information. Disappointed to hear that about Malio. Going to be in the Harris Vertu for a week in February, will try my hand at Malio of course but 3,380,000 rp is ridiculous. Seems going there and getting numbers is the best way to utilize that facility.[/QUOTE]

For the reference of future mongerers Google Malio hotel instead of Malioboro. Link: [URL]https://g.co/kgs/X4LiRW.[/URL].

It seems Malio has toned down its awesomeness a lot. Great reports on this thread like #11831 and #11731 had given me great hopes. There are no nude dancers and even in balcony booths these dancers would not open their tops.

As of ridiculous price you were quoted is because you chose a dancer. If you had chosen a regular girl it would have been less. I was quoted 1. 2 million or something for a regular girl, I don't remember exactly. Even Uzbek girls will go for less than 2 million. A waiter had told me upstairs of Malio club you could get girls for 400 k, 900 k and 1. 3 mil. But for the life of me I could not figure out where this Malio bar was at 1 am. I was told it's closed when I went upstairs.

Could some experienced punter tell is Malio bar just above Malio club and does it close at 1 am nowadays?

Happy punting.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2122767]First time in Jakarta, and even though it was really late around 1 am, decided to check out the Malio Hotel. Google Maps shows two locations when you search Malio-- one on North Petojo near the Lion Air tower (and across from Harris Vertu hotel, which is how I found it from a previous report), and one called "MALIOBORO" on West Rawa. RTF from before, thanks for everyone's reports, but it appears I still need help lol.

Arrive at Malio Hotel and you can tell it's the spot because there are a ton of carts outside selling vitamin V and condoms, plus our favorite sketchy taxi drivers.

I enter through the most obvious entrance, go through a metal detector, receive a wristband, and then directed to elevators but no other instruction. I ended up on the 4th floor and got lost among the rooms before being directed back to the club area, which is two levels (I started on level 3, the upper level with the large booths and balcony where you can see down to the stage and lower level). There were several groups of girls in the booths, some with guys some without, and guys scattered around the balcony watching the dancers below..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2122823]This is shocking. Who would have ever thought this might happen?[/QUOTE]Isn't shocking, it's just very annoying.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2122823]This is shocking. Who would have ever thought this might happen?[/QUOTE]Haha, the fact that she tried was not shocking. But I was very annoyed when she started drinking them before I even had a chance to say yes or no. That's when I sent her away and made it clear to the server how many I actually ordered.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2122857]For the reference of future mongerers Google Malio hotel instead of Malioboro. Link: [URL]https://g.co/kgs/X4LiRW.[/URL].

It seems Malio has toned down its awesomeness a lot. Great reports on this thread like #11831 and #11731 had given me great hopes. There are no nude dancers and even in balcony booths these dancers would not open their tops.

As of ridiculous price you were quoted is because you chose a dancer. If you had chosen a regular girl it would have been less. I was quoted 1. 2 million or something for a regular girl, I don't remember exactly. Even Uzbek girls will go for less than 2 million. A waiter had told me upstairs of Malio club you could get girls for 400 k, 900 k and 1. 3 mil. But for the life of me I could not figure out where this Malio bar was at 1 am. I was told it's closed when I went upstairs.

Could some experienced punter tell is Malio bar just above Malio club and does it close at 1 am nowadays?

Happy punting.[/QUOTE]I think I did see some non-indo girls upstairs in the balcony area, but didn't inquire. One girl either looked korean or chinese, maybe viet. A couple of Russian or Uzbek or some Eastern European girls. Are these girls also at the Malio Bar, vs the club? And are those prices (2 m, 1. 3 m, 900 k, 400 k) inclusive of the room? I was told by the dancer's papasan / pimp that 1. 3 m (20 x 65 k lady drinks) only would have allowed for a BJ with her. Much too rich for just that though.

Yes the prices are inclusive of rooms. The price quotes for BJ (20 lady drinks) is again for dancers. The non dancer girls have reasonable prices.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123067]I think I did see some non-indo girls upstairs in the balcony area, but didn't inquire. One girl either looked korean or chinese, maybe viet. A couple of Russian or Uzbek or some Eastern European girls. Are these girls also at the Malio Bar, vs the club? And are those prices (2 m, 1. 3 m, 900 k, 400 k) inclusive of the room? I was told by the dancer's papasan / pimp that 1. 3 m (20 x 65 k lady drinks) only would have allowed for a BJ with her. Much too rich for just that though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123067]I think I did see some non-indo girls upstairs in the balcony area, but didn't inquire. One girl either looked korean or chinese, maybe viet. A couple of Russian or Uzbek or some Eastern European girls. Are these girls also at the Malio Bar, vs the club? And are those prices (2 m, 1. 3 m, 900 k, 400 k) inclusive of the room? I was told by the dancer's papasan / pimp that 1. 3 m (20 x 65 k lady drinks) only would have allowed for a BJ with her. Much too rich for just that though.[/QUOTE]I do not know if the prices listed here are still valid, but on this page [URL]https://www.massageprices.com/listing/jakarta/malioboro-hotel-spa/[/URL] It is pretty well explained about Malioboro and different floors. Any expert could confirm?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123065]Haha, the fact that she tried was not shocking. But I was very annoyed when she started drinking them before I even had a chance to say yes or no. That's when I sent her away and made it clear to the server how many I actually ordered.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing. Send any extra drinks back. Pay attention when in any place, and make YOU are the one ordering. Then there is no questionable 'mistake'.

I generally don'why buy drinks for the girls that come around begging for drinks. Now if one is pretty nice, and I want to feel her up, then I will order 2 of the BS shots. BUT touch her first at the waist or pull her closer to you. If she backs away or holds back (red flag) send her away. Don't waste your money. I want the one who gets close and rubs against me. After all that's why you are buying a drink.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2122767]First time in Jakarta, and even though it was really late around 1 am, decided to check out the Malio Hotel. Google Maps shows two locations when you search Malio-- one on North Petojo near the Lion Air tower (and across from Harris Vertu hotel, which is how I found it from a previous report), and one called "MALIOBORO" on West Rawa. RTF from before, thanks for everyone's reports, but it appears I still need help lol.
where the Malio Bar area was-- is that on the first level? Or another one that I missed? Any other levels to worth checking out?

At this point it was 3 am, and I had a shot in the chamber. Debated between going home and trying one more time-- decided to check out Hotel Classic. Luckily it seems all these places are open until 4 am. While the first floor club area was closed already, the 3rd floor (or level 2) club was open. [/QUOTE]Same place.

Mailo is downstairs, fun bar / club atmosphere with girls available. Dancers will be very expensive, if they will even go with you. The girls seated in groups are less costly. I think around 900 k (ask mama to be sure).
Malioboro is upstairs. That's where you will find a larger number of girls sitting on the hugs couches. All types of girls in there Indo and Foreign / Imports.
Last time I went to Malioboro was about 1. 5-2 years ago. Prices were 1. 2 M for foreign girls and 800 k for Indo ladies. I would think the prices have probably increased since by about 100-1500 k.

Classic Hotel, you went to the Classic 2 as I call it - 2nd level. There is another one Classic 5. Go check it out. Same type of set up and more girls. I went to both last year. Prices range about 350 k if I remember correctly.

Looking forward to another visit.
Have Fun!

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123065]Haha, the fact that she tried was not shocking. But I was very annoyed when she started drinking them before I even had a chance to say yes or no. That's when I sent her away and made it clear to the server how many I actually ordered.[/QUOTE]It's only the dancers who do that. The regular girls who are there to be taken upstairs don't pull that crap. The dancers are there to get you to buy as many drinks as possible and don't really care if you have sex with them or not because they are focused on making money from the drinks. They have a goal of 60 drinks a night, so they are aggressive. (I had one favorite girl dancing there who used to come to my place often after work around 4 am and she would be complaining about having to drink so many Sprites because it gave her an upset stomach. I don't know why the put Sprite in those glasses instead of water.) Some of the dancers will go upstairs with you (for an exorbitant price as you mentioned, but some won't go at all and will only give a BJ for an exorbitant price). I never take the dancers for sex at any venue in Jakarta simply because they are too expensive and the regular girls can be just as good looking. The regular girls just don't show as much of their body so there is a false perception that the dancers are hotter. I do however frequently buy drinks for the dancers. They like to work in pairs. So when you buy for one, another will come up and try to leech drinks as well. I always make it clear to the server immediately that I am only buying for one girl and if that 2nd girl drinks anything, I am not buying those drinks. It's easy to control the number of drinks the first girl gets since she is sitting in my lap. If she tries drinking a drink I didn't give her permission to drink, I will stop her and explain that she has to ask me each time for a drink and cannot drink until I agree. Sometimes the girl will ask me many many times as I fondle her before I finally agree to let her drink another drink. If she does take another drink from the server again without my permission, I refuse to pay for that drink, push her off my lap and tell her to get lost. Like pipelayer99 says, make sure they will allow you to grope them prior to buying any drinks. I think it's good fun and rarely have to push them off my lap. I do normally end up buying a girl around 10 drinks if I like her though.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2122909]Isn't shocking, it's just very annoying.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha! Smoothy, sometimes they don't get your sense of humour! LOL.

Illigals.

Went to check out Illigals the other day, but because it was near New Year's Eve, the spa / pool / sauna area was closed. They told me instead that they had regular and special girls available for FS massage. The "special girls" are supposed to be model quality, but there were none available. I was brought to an area with loud music playing and cocktail tables with groups of girls standing about. I seemed to be the only customer. It was a very large area with two sides and a main counter that takes care of the charges. The mms had all the girls stop looking at their phones and line up, and I selected one of the cuter ones out of about 20 girls (only 2-3 were doable for me). I will say, the facilities here are brand new and very nice as previously reported. It was a little hard to find the entrance as in the front by the street is Starbucks and Burger King-- you have to walk all the way down along the side of Starbucks to get to the lobby.

In the room, my girl was very attentive and sweet. She got really into things after DATY and basically f* the shit out of me. Good attitude and service, even if her body was a little disappointing-- boobs were large but saggy and overall slim but had cellulite. That being said, very sweet and cute face. Her # was 316, I think-- saw it on the board on the way out (they have a screen that shows all the assignments to rooms with the girl's #s? Tipped her 100 k and she seemed happy with that. Total damage without tip was 950 k.

There is also a club of some sort on the first floor. They told me entrance was 150 k so I didn't look inside as I had just done the deed.

Malio.

Went back to Malio on NYE expecting it to be crazy. Turned out to be fairly empty around midnight. It was crazy trying to get there, though, with people setting off fireworks in the middle of the main road and walking through traffic. Ended up spending about an hour in traffic for what should be a 10-15 min drive.

And, I think I've finally figured out the layout of this place (took a fair bit of wandering though).

From the main entrance (by the driveway, south side) if you press 2 on the elevator, you end up at Malio bar and lounge. The elevators open and there's the charge counter. The left side is the live music area that is smaller and has tables of girls sitting around and you can order food and drink. I only noticed a few other customers there and about 15 girls looking bored. On the other side to the right when you exit the elevator is a huge area with large square booths on a lower level, tables, a bar, and a bar / stage where I guess dancers normally dance when there are customers. Since there was nobody there, really, except for a few girls in the booths and four dancers dressed in the same schoolgirl outfit, I left pretty quickly. The four dancers all came over and chatted me up, and I ended up getting them one drink each (50 k per drink). They told me they could go with me to the room for 1. 75 m. Too rich for me. The mms in the live music area told me 350 k for one girl or 600 k for two, and then apparently you need to pay 40 k for each girl for condoms?

Before I made a decision, I went to figure out the layout. From the 2nd level, if you go up the stairs to 3, then you can walk all the way to the other side and when you reach a security post, with a sleepy guard, that's the Malio club area. I ended up entering on the balcony level. It was much busier here, and there were more girls dancing than the other night, but still more dead than I expected. I did see a booth full of eastern european girls, but none looked good to me. There were a fair number of nice and slim Indo girls, what appeared to be Viets, and maybe Chinese. Did not ask prices as there were girls at the 2nd level bar that were just as attractive.

So I went back and decided to take two for the hell of it since it is a good deal at 600 k. I selected a girl with no ass but a smoldering body otherwise-- very tight and firm, with pretty awesome tits. The other girl I wanted who appeared to have a really nice natural body as well said she was on her period. My guess was she didn't want to do a 3-some. Oh well-- ended up picking a really cute faced girl who had nice large natural tits (but just a little bit chubby otherwise) who was also friends with the first girl I picked. I asked them if they would be ok with doing a session together, and they assured me, yes.

Well, I'm not sure if they are not used to doing 3-somes or what, but it took a fair bit of direction on my part. Neither girl took the initiative to fondle or kiss each other, so I had my hands full trying to stimulate both girls. Good thing I'm ambidextrous and also can chew gum at the same time.

Kept the atmosphere fun and light, and the session turned out to be one of the better sessions I've had in the last few years-- definitely hot, and used up all 3 condoms they gave us. One sagami and two really thick ones. Might end up seeing the slim girl that I picked first again, she had quite good English and was much more into things than the other one. Tried to tip each girl 100k, but they told me 200k was "minimum tip". Not sure if that was just the girls trying to take advantage, but I did it anyway (you can tip via credit card too), as the session was good and they both performed well. 1.080m (before VAT) for two girls and 90 minutes is still good. Is there a "minimum tip"?

Regarding tips, on the way out, the security guys called me a taxi, then wanted 100k tip or something. I literally did not have any cash left (only about 25k + 50k emergency) so I said sorry, and walked onto the street and called a Grab. If anyone deserves a tip, it's not these guys-- it's the guys who clean the rooms. Maybe I'll find a way to tip them next time. Given it was NYE right outside the place were cops directing traffic. And earlier there were people all around watching fireworks. I wonder if most people know what goes on inside?

Anyway, definitely some good value to be had here. Need to take a break and then might go back to explore Hotel Classic's other levels, or if I can, arrange an app girl.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123612]Is there a "minimum tip"? [/QUOTE]Nope. You can tip whatever you like. 100 k is what I normally give them. You also don't need to buy condoms. The girls already have condoms in their bags and will whip them out if you don't have them or don't buy them. I think the extra money for condoms scam is only for guys who can't speak Indonesian because they never ask me if I want to buy a condom. It's best to bring your own condoms anyway because their condoms are crap.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123612]
If anyone deserves a tip, it's not these guys-- it's the guys who clean the rooms. Maybe I'll find a way to tip them next time.[/QUOTE]The girls have to tip them, so if you are leaving the girls more of a tip you can consider that money going directly to the guys cleaning the rooms if you like. I think the girls leave them 20 k each time.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123612]I wonder if most people know what goes on inside? [/QUOTE]It's rare that I have met any local in Jakarta who does not know what goes on inside Malioboro. They may not have been inside, but they know what goes on. Alexis used to be the most famous brothel, but Malioboro and Hotel Classic are also very well known.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123612]
Malio. And, I think I've finally figured out the layout of this place (took a fair bit of wandering though).

From the main entrance (by the driveway, south side) if you press 2 on the elevator, you end up at Malio bar and lounge. The elevators open and there's the charge counter. The left side is the live music area that is smaller and has tables of girls sitting around and you can order food and drink. I only noticed a few other customers there and about 15 girls looking bored. On the other side to the right when you exit the elevator is a huge area with large square booths on a lower level, tables, a bar, and a bar / stage where I guess dancers normally dance when there are customers. Since there was nobody there, really, except for a few girls in the booths and four dancers dressed in the same schoolgirl outfit, I left pretty quickly. The four dancers all came over and chatted me up, and I ended up getting them one drink each (50 k per drink). They told me they could go with me to the room for 1. 75 m. Too rich for me. The mms in the live music area told me 350 k for one girl or 600 k for two, and then apparently you need to pay 40 k for each girl for condoms?[/QUOTE]The place you describe in the paragraph above on the 2nd floor to the right of the elevator with a bar and tables full of import girls on one level and couches with Harem Indo girls on the lower level is Malioboro Lounge. As you correctly pointed out, there you will find some very attractive & friendly Indo Malioboro dancer girls that want 1,750,000 rp, the import girls are 1,400,000 rp, and the harem Indo couch girls are 900,000 rp & 1,100,000 rp respectively.

A simple way to understand the layout of this establishment is to envision walking from the street down the driveway: 1) the first entrance into the building leads past a front desk on your left and directly to the elevators which will take you up to the Malioboro Lounge on your right and the small bar on your left when facing the room registration desk. 2) the 2nd entrance into the building opens directly to a different front desk. Walk thru the doors to the left of this front desk past the elevators and stairs and you are in Malio Club on the ground level. Once inside Malio Club you will find more harem Indo couch girls sitting to the left and right and dancers on the stage and walking around the bar huslting for drinks in exchange for slight sexual favors. I have never seen import girls in Malio Club. The Malio couch girls are 900,000 rp & 1,100.000 rp same as in Malioboro.

On my last trip to Jakarta I had the plesaure of 2 Malio Club harem couch girls one of which was extra good so I repeated with her 4 times. On two other nights I also had the pleasure of one of the Malio dancers who went upstairs with me to a private room for 2,000,000 rp. I am not sure if all the Malio Club dancers go to private rooms with customers because I have been quoted some crazy rates from a couple of Malio dancers so I just assume they were not into having sexual congress with me. 555. I do know the dancers will all try to coax you up to the 2nd floor semi private mezzanine for very expensive BJ's which does not interest me in the slightest.

I also had a session with a sexy Malioboro Lounge dancer my 1st night back for 1,750,000rp. And on a very quiet Easter Sunday night when the place was rather low key and many girls just failed to show up, I took a very sexy and very petite Chinese import girl from Malioboro Lounge (1,400,000rp) and I had a very good time with her.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123612]
Before I made a decision, I went to figure out the layout. From the 2nd level, if you go up the stairs to 3, then you can walk all the way to the other side and when you reach a security post, with a sleepy guard, that's the Malio club area. I ended up entering on the balcony level. It was much busier here, and there were more girls dancing than the other night, but still more dead than I expected. I did see a booth full of eastern european girls, but none looked good to me. There were a fair number of nice and slim Indo girls, what appeared to be Viets, and maybe Chinese. Did not ask prices as there were girls at the 2nd level bar that were just as attractive.

So I went back and decided to take two for the hell of it since it is a good deal at 600 k. I selected a girl with no ass but a smoldering body otherwise-- very tight and firm, with pretty awesome tits. The other girl I wanted who appeared to have a really nice natural body as well said she was on her period. My guess was she didn't want to do a 3-some. Oh well-- ended up picking a really cute faced girl who had nice large natural tits (but just a little bit chubby otherwise) who was also friends with the first girl I picked. I asked them if they would be ok with doing a session together, and they assured me, yes.

Well, I'm not sure if they are not used to doing 3-somes or what, but it took a fair bit of direction on my part. Neither girl took the initiative to fondle or kiss each other, so I had my hands full trying to stimulate both girls. Good thing I'm ambidextrous and also can chew gum at the same time.

Kept the atmosphere fun and light, and the session turned out to be one of the better sessions I've had in the last few years-- definitely hot, and used up all 3 condoms they gave us. One sagami and two really thick ones. Might end up seeing the slim girl that I picked first again, she had quite good English and was much more into things than the other one. Tried to tip each girl 100k, but they told me 200k was "minimum tip". Not sure if that was just the girls trying to take advantage, but I did it anyway (you can tip via credit card too), as the session was good and they both performed well. 1.080m (before VAT) for two girls and 90 minutes is still good. Is there a "minimum tip"?

Anyway, definitely some good value to be had here. Need to take a break and then might go back to explore Hotel Classic's other levels, or if I can, arrange an app girl.[/QUOTE]Great reportage Dirk! I am glad you had a good time. Malio / Malioboro is one of my favorite brothels in Asia. I have never done the 2 girls for 600,000 deal in the small bar opposite Malioboro Lounge that you reported on above. I think I will have to check out that space on my next few visits and see if there are any girls there pretty enough to entice me away from my favorites: the expensive dancers and my 2nd favorite: the Indo harem couch girls of both Malioboro Lounge and Malio Club.

P.S. In my humble experience, being with two sexy Asian bisexual girls in a threesome is quite rare. In fact I have never had it. Thus the best I can usually expect in SE Asia is two girls dedicated to taking good care of me simultaneously as in one girl riding my dick while the other girl is riding my face or something along those lines. But I will say this, with the right girls Asian threeway can be a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2123706]the best I can usually expect in SE Asia is two girls dedicated to taking good care of me simultaneously as in one girl riding my dick while the other girl is riding my face.[/QUOTE]It's a rough life.

As for the tip I was also quoted 200 k is the minimum tip there. With the service that I got in Malio compared to other places, I guess it's pretty good deal.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2123706]The place you describe in the paragraph above on the 2nd floor to the right of the elevator with a bar and tables full of import girls on one level and couches with Harem Indo girls on the lower level is Malioboro Lounge. As you correctly pointed out, there you will find some very attractive & friendly Indo Malioboro dancer girls that want 1,750,000 rp, the import girls are 1,400,000 rp, and the harem Indo couch girls are 900,000 rp & 1,100,000 rp respectively.

A simple way to understand the layout of this establishment is to envision walking from the street down the driveway: 1) the first entrance into the building leads past a front desk on your left and directly to the elevators which will take you up to the Malioboro Lounge on your right and the small bar on your left when facing the room registration desk. 2) the 2nd entrance into the building opens directly to a different front desk. Walk thru the doors to the left of this front desk past the elevators and stairs and you are in Malio Club on the ground level. Once inside Malio Club you will find more harem Indo couch girls sitting to the left and right and dancers on the stage and walking around the bar huslting for drinks in exchange for slight sexual favors. I have never seen import girls in Malio Club. The Malio couch girls are 900,000 rp & 1,100.000 rp same as in Malioboro.
[/QUOTE]Hmm. That makes more sense, I did not notice a second entrance farther down the driveway. Will save some wandering next time I am trying to go to the club.

Regarding the harem / import girls, I think I saw some women around (and men?) who were the mms / pps. But I'm not sure. Are they supposed to approach or do I need to identify and flag them down somehow? It was also pretty slim pickings this past week, maybe because of the public holiday or nights I went.

And the time you went with a dancer for 2 m, was that all inclusive? I was quoted separately for room (2,080,000) and then was told I'd have to buy lady drinks also (x20 = 1. 3 m). I wonder if anyone has been successful arranging to meet a dancer or girl they've sessioned with outside the club / establishment, as I've gotten several numbers but they've been quite flaky. Do I need to explicitly offer cash or hint at it somehow so they know I'm serious?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123835]I wonder if anyone has been successful arranging to meet a dancer or girl they've sessioned with outside the club / establishment, as I've gotten several numbers but they've been quite flaky. Do I need to explicitly offer cash or hint at it somehow so they know I'm serious?[/QUOTE]If you didn't take the girl to the private room for sex, it will likely be difficult to get her to come to your room. She normally has to know you a bit more than a casual meeting in the bar because she has to trust you enough to come to your place. A couple have come to my room after just meeting them once casually and buying a few drinks for them, but that was after many texts and promising a certain price (I promised 1 million). If you can find one who speaks English, that is a much more likely target than one of those kampung girls who speaks no English.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123835]Hmm. I wonder if anyone has been successful arranging to meet a dancer or girl they've sessioned with outside the club / establishment, as I've gotten several numbers but they've been quite flaky. Do I need to explicitly offer cash or hint at it somehow so they know I'm serious?[/QUOTE]Yes I have been success. I have called 2 girls to my room for threesome. They stayed with me for 4 days.

But to bring up this situation, it took me a lot of hard work to keep in touch with those girls regularly, while I was in my home country. Once the girls gain trust, they are fine to join us in our room.

Damage: I offered them 1 Million per day per girl.

I was talking to a working girl in my hotel room after sex. She said that Alexis is not closed, its just renamed and is operating at same place. Is it true?

Can anyone confirm if Classic Terminal is still open? I want to visit there one day and I will definitely report back!

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2124797]I was talking to a working girl in my hotel room after sex. She said that Alexis is not closed, its just renamed and is operating at same place. Is it true?[/QUOTE]Fingers crossed! Any intel is appreciated.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2124797]I was talking to a working girl in my hotel room after sex. She said that Alexis is not closed, its just renamed and is operating at same place. Is it true?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Alexis since 2012. Too damn expensive and too damn far away from everything. I feel there have always been plenty of better options in Jakarta as far as value for money and convenience. However, I do know people who did enjoy going there. From what I hear, Alexis as we know it as a "massage place" that included full sex is closed. What may be open is the first floor disco called 4play. I did hear a rumor that disco is still open. My bet is that if you ask your working girl if the name of the place is 4play, she will say yes. That is just the disco.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2123612]Well, I'm not sure if they are not used to doing 3-somes or what, but it took a fair bit of direction on my part. Neither girl took the initiative to fondle or kiss each other, so I had my hands full trying to stimulate both girls. Good thing I'm ambidextrous and also can chew gum at the same time.[/QUOTE]Unlike other posters, 3 somes are hard for me to find and usually end up being stressed serial sessions. The advice I gathered is that it is best to let the girl choose the third.

If you get repeats or regular, you can get a feel if the girl is bisexual. IMHO, those are the gems and I sometimes fail to appreciate till it is too late.

Emporium.

I saw earlier reports of Emporium and even though folks said it wasn't anything special, I had one of the best experiences thus far in Jakarta here. Obviously, a lot of it has to do with the chemistry with the girl, and it wasn't cheap, but the setup and vibe of the place was a little less chaotic and less pressure than Malio.

On getting there, just make sure you are going to Emporium Hotel, and not Emporium Pluit, as my driver almost thought (I had to correct him before we set off, would have been a long drive to nowhere!

I felt Emporium had facilities nearly as nice as Illigals, and the girls were a step up. There were two levels of girls, 1. 25 and 1. 08 or something like that, so not much difference. There were cuties in each group, they only have local indo girls. I ended up picking a girl that looked completely non-indo (of course many look different with their dyed hair and colored contact lenses), and it turned out she was 1/4 mixed. Absolutely stunning to my eyes, and had a very built body, plus very sweet and friendly demeanor. Service was pretty incredible, and even with a slight language barrier, there was some chemistry that helped.

Before the session, I decided to to avail of the sauna and hot pools. It was pretty empty, I guess because it's still sort of the holiday period, but it was nice facilities. Tip: keep the shorts they give you on. I went FKK mode and took them off in the sauna, and the staff had a good laugh at my expense.

Overall, I would recommend Emporium especially given it's very near central Jakarta and has good facilities (albeit a little small). Total damage was around 1. 5 including a drink.

Malio.

A few days later, went to Malio again to try and see if things picked up after the holiday. Saw the scammer dancer from last time, and her friend -- they pretended not to know me LOL. Another dancer who I had some fun with remembered me too and came right over.

Side note: This might just be me, but I get a little self-conscious when I am pursuing multiple girls in the venue, and wonder how it reflects if they see me going with different girls, coming back often, etc. I know rationally that they know what we're there for, but I kind of don't want to be seen as indiscriminate either LOL. Anyone else feel this way? For example: the dancer that recognized me, messaged me later and was like "I saw you talking to another dancer when you said you were going home", which is true, I was intending to go home but got distracted. Especially if I had good chemistry with a girl that I sessioned with, I don't want to disappoint her if I pick another. Weird I know. I've had the same issue with Macau, where I have purposefully gone to a different sauna if I knew a girl I liked and have kept in touch with was working that night and I wasn't going to pick her.

I think the main concern here for me is that I still want my cake and eat it too-- don't want to sour an existing good connection and also want to try something new LOL.

Ok, back to Malio.

First checked out the M Lounge on Level 2 to the right. Busier than before, but still pretty empty. No girls in the booths on the lower level. Was quoted 900-1. 1 m for the girls at the tables, and 1. 75 m for the dancers. There were a few very nice looking girls among the dancers, but I didn't feel like they were 4 x better than the girls in the live music across the foyer.

Headed up to the club to try and find a dancer that I liked the other day. While I wasn't intending to pick a girl, I was curious and ended up talking to one of the mamasans. I think someone said earlier it's true-- each mamasan / pps has their own stable of girls and doesn't work with each other. So will need to talk to each mms if you don't see who you like. I sat down and almost immediately, the adorable bubbly dancer from before who recognized me came up and threw her arms around me. She has some baby fat around the tummy but an amazing rack and butt. Ended up buying drinks for her, and even food later for her and her friends, and it was funny how hungry these girls are-- they tore into that food like they haven't eaten in a week.

On my way out, a couple girls caught my eye and the mms saw me and asked what I wanted. I told her and she brought a lineup to me. The girl I ended up with was not who I was intending to pick, but the service was excellent. While the price is 1. 1 for this one, there were also very cute 400 k and 900 k girls. Mms confirmed that the dancers were 2. 08 m + 10-20 lady drinks. Keep in mind that the room portion of the price is taxed, so it's actually a bit more than 1. 1 or whatever. I had to stare at the bill to figure it out LOL.

Another note on rooms and pricing-- they ask if you want standard or suite room, I picked standard and it was very large and a bit nicer compared to when I picked girls from Level 2 bar for 300 k each, maybe because of the level of girl? I tried to say don't need condom for 40 k, but it didn't seem like it was an option. Do I just flat out refuse? Or can I bring my own?

Lastly, again ended up tipping 200 k, even though the girl tried to suggest 500 k LOL. She sort of covered up the first two options (200 and 300) with her thumb in a cute way, so I didn't get annoyed. I mean can't fault her for trying LOL. Even though I know tip is optional, or 100 k would do, for $8 more why not just have everyone be happy?

Where next?

So I've tried Illigals, Malio 3 x, Classic Hotel, and Emporium. Any other must-try places? It's been hard for me to set up app girls or get girls to meet me outside the venues, due to schedules and also logistics (everything is so spread out and nobody wants to travel anywhere), also maybe I've gotten fewer matches due to being of Asian descent, vs. Western-looking guys. My approach for regular girls has been to try and meet at a mall near my hotel, so we can head back after easily if things go well. I think if I meet at a farther away mall, the distance could discourage her. Thoughts on that?

Earlier there was a comment about why not get civvies or freebies if you're good looking or young. I'm no model, but I like to think I clean up pretty good, and I have my fair share of civvies /"freebies" when I travel and when dating at home. BUT, it all comes at a cost. If all I want is a fun experience and not a relationship, then sometimes a place like Malio is perfect.

Cost.

I think the word "freebie" is misleading. Nothing is free, in time or money. Or emotions. If I think about some of my terrific "freebie" experiences (some girls where it's definitely a FWB+ type relationship, no money given, but gifts, dinners, travel) these are some of the most expensive. A more low-key dinner out and then back to the room with no money exchanged still costs many hours of "courting" plus the actual date, and the cost of the date itself. A recent example in Bangkok ended up costing 3-4 k THB, about what it would cost with a FL from Thermae, and more than going to an oily, and similar to a lower end soapy. That being said, the experience is different, and it can be much more fun / rewarding if the girl actually likes being with you and it's not about the money.

Time.

Most times I don't have hours upon hours to spend chatting, arranging dates, dealing with flakes, and blocking off an evening or afternoon. It can be a lot easier to just "point and shoot" as another member has mentioned. Also it's on my schedule. I go when I want, leave when I want, and I prefer to sleep alone most times anyway (it has to be a special girl for me to want her to spend the night, so I rarely do LT).

Experience.

Depending on what I'm looking for, maybe the hunt and warm glow of a civvie is what I want, or I want to be pampered at like Emporium or a soapy.

Emotions.

Even with working girls, emotions can come into play. With a "freebie" or civvie, even more so. While mostly on the girls' part, it happens here too, I'm not a robot.

Anyway, just some thoughts on this whole thing. Ultimately, life is a game, and as long as we have fun playing it, that's what matters.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2125298]
Where next?

So I've tried Illigals, Malio 3 x, Classic Hotel, and Emporium. Any other must-try places?[/QUOTE]Since you liked Emporivm and Malio, try the following:

Golden Hands - (kota tua area) Jl. Bandengan Sel. No. 43, RT. 5/ RW. 16, Pejagalan, Penjaringan, Kota Jakarta Utara, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 14450, Indonesia.

Tematik Spa - (Pluit area) - Jalan Jembatan Tiga No. 36 FC, RT. 13 / RW. 16, Penjaringan, RT. 1/ RW. 16, Penjaringan, Kota Jakarta Utara, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 14440, Indonesia.

Sun City - (Mangga Besar) - Gedung Lindeteves Trade Centre Lantai 6, Jl. Hayam Wuruk No. 127, Mangga Besar, Tamansari, RT. 1/ RW. 6, RT. 1/ RW. 6, Mangga Besar, Tamansari, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 11180, Indonesia.

V2 Club Lounge - (near Malio) - Jalan Kh. Hasyim Ashari Dlm No. 6, RT. 2/ RW. 8, Petojo Utara, Gambir, RT. 1/ RW. 4, Kb. Klp. , Gambir, Kota Jakarta Pusat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 10130, Indonesia.

King Cross, Sumo Spa, D'Heaven - (3 places next to each other in kelapa gading area) Komplek Kokan Permata Blok E38- 42, Jalan Boulevard Bukit Gading Raya, Kelapa Gading Barat, RT. 15/ RW. 3, RT. 15/ RW. 3, Klp. Gading Bar. , Klp. Gading, Kota Jakarta Utara, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 14250, Indonesia.

Day 0:

Landed in Jakarta airport at noon, took a bluebird taxi from their stand to Pasar Baru for 180 k IDR. Reached fave hotel (Pasar Baru) and slept till late night. Fave Hotel is a budget hotel ($30) but didn't have basic things like mini-bar, wardrobe and a reliabel wifi. Other than location nothing really good about it. Tried to use Grab taxi and Bluebird taxi apps but drivers refused to come to the hotel. I guess the best way is to catch'them on the street. Went back to my room and slept again.

Tl; dr: Fave hotel is not good and First day wasted.

Day 1 part 1:

Waited till 4 PM and went to Hotel Classic. The security guard told its closed but reading the previous reports I was sure it opened at 3 PM. Went inside. Classic Hotel has 3 levels for mongering. The basement level is called Bunker. 5th level is called Terminal. Reached 3rd floor and went inside. Its dark as fuck. The general mood was gloomy. As soon as I entered a mamasan caught my hand directed me to a seat. She explained the setup, which is 330 k for a girl for an hour. Then she showed her lineup. There were six girls, none of them were stunners. I chose a girl who was smiling. This trick has worked well for me in BKK. She sat with me and we exchanged some pleasantries. Then she asked me to go to room. Once inside room the pathetic experience was ditto of Ryo from #11758. Once she removed her dress, she had sagging boobs that's such a turn-off. We showered together and she made me lie on a bed and gave a short CBJ. She started with cow girl, we switched to missionary and then switched to doggy. Once in doggy, she said, "I finish, you finish fast". I just banged her to this done with. Once I finished she ran to shower, got dressed and asked a tip. Gave her 100 k which I am sure she didn't deserve. I went back to the sitting area and ordered a beer. And started talking to another mamasan. She told 9 P. M is the best time to visit the place. She told she could show some girls, but after such pathetic experience I was not in mood.

TL; DR: I got played.

Tip for newbie: don't commit to a mamasan at beginning. Go inside, order a beer and take some time to understand the scene.

Total damage: 330 k + 100 k (tip) + 120 k (2 small bintang).

WIR: absolutely no.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2125381]she made me lie on a bed and gave a short CBJ. [/QUOTE]Covered BJ? At that point, I would have told her to go fuck herself, gave her no tip, dressed and left the room immediately to see if the mamasan could get me a different girl.

Thanks for these additional locations, Mr. Smooth. Have you noticed any particularly stacked and slim babes at any of these? I realize availability could change on any given day.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2125376]Since you liked Emporivm and Malio, try the following:

Golden Hands - (kota tua area) Jl. Bandengan Sel. No. 43, RT. 5/ RW. 16, Pejagalan, Penjaringan, Kota Jakarta Utara, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 14450, Indonesia.

Tematik Spa - (Pluit area) - Jalan Jembatan Tiga No. 36 FC, RT. 13 / RW. 16, Penjaringan, RT. 1/ RW. 16, Penjaringan, Kota Jakarta Utara, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 14440, Indonesia.

Sun City - (Mangga Besar) - Gedung Lindeteves Trade Centre Lantai 6, Jl. Hayam Wuruk No. 127, Mangga Besar, Tamansari, RT. 1/ RW. 6, RT. 1/ RW. 6, Mangga Besar, Tamansari, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 11180, Indonesia.

V2 Club Lounge - (near Malio) - Jalan Kh. Hasyim Ashari Dlm No. 6, RT. 2/ RW. 8, Petojo Utara, Gambir, RT. 1/ RW. 4, Kb. Klp. , Gambir, Kota Jakarta Pusat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 10130, Indonesia.

King Cross, Sumo Spa, D'Heaven - (3 places next to each other in kelapa gading area) Komplek Kokan Permata Blok E38- 42, Jalan Boulevard Bukit Gading Raya, Kelapa Gading Barat, RT. 15/ RW. 3, RT. 15/ RW. 3, Klp. Gading Bar. , Klp. Gading, Kota Jakarta Utara, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 14250, Indonesia.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2125462]Covered BJ? At that point, I would have told her to go fuck herself, gave her no tip, dressed and left the room immediately to see if the mamasan could get me a different girl.[/QUOTE]To Smoothy.

I always ask the mamasan if BBBJ is on the menu take your time and get a drink and talk to the girl before going up to the room, I only tip if I get good service hotel classic or hotel travel not the place if you want GFE but for 330 k don't expect too much.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=DCups;2125466]Thanks for these additional locations, Mr. Smooth. Have you noticed any particularly stacked and slim babes at any of these? I realize availability could change on any given day. [/QUOTE]There is no telling which girls are working at which places because they are constantly changing. I don't remember her number, but this one at Tematik had awesome breasts.

Cute, too. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2125579]There is no telling which girls are working at which places because they are constantly changing. I don't remember her number, but this one at Tematik had awesome breasts.[/QUOTE]

Visited Classic again, this time to check out some of the other floors. First went to the ground level club (entry 50 k). Last time, it was already closed when I arrived after 3 am. This time, quite busy, with nude dancers on stage. While some had good bodies, I didn't find any that cute. Walking around, most guys were just chilling with a drink. A few westerners at the bar.

Based on what I saw, somewhat slim pickings. Maybe most of the good ones were in the room, so might be worth hanging out and waiting a bit. A couple mms did approach, and use laser pointer things to get girls' attention LOL. On my way out I did notice a taller, slim cute one, but was already on my way out and she was heading to the girls' rest area.

Then went to "Bunker" in the basement, which is a spa. Closed at 11 pm though.

Then up the elevator to the 5th floor. This club was much busier, though about the same size as the one on 2. And also 2 x darker. So dark that even as I walked around, I could not clearly see any of the girls. Many girls were engaged with guys at tables. While I was not there to hang out, I suppose most local guys will go party in a group with friends, hang and chill with the girl before going to the room (if they go at all). Girls here will actually drink with you, not the usual lady drink set up. Mms here also use laser pointers to get the girls to come over. I picked a cute girl that even though she had a little pooch (and probably from a baby) was quite cute and slim, and we had good chemistry despite language barrier. Session was fun, even though her tits were a little bit saggy (but on the smaller side so not too bad). 100 k tip and she seemed happy.

Next time, though, I will wait longer before selecting, maybe even walk around more, or be more specific with the mms before making a selection as a few girls caught my eye on my way to pay.

And now, I am exhausted because of all the options in this city. I think it's actually easier here than in BKK with as good or better quality (I like natural, and there is more surgery in BKK), plus I feel like much less chance of post-op LB. Also nice options with ability to pay with CC means more points and less cash I have to carry around or worry about exchanging when I depart.

Your first mistake was you went too early.

Second mistake was your didn't ask the girl age.

3rd mistake was you gave her tip.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2125381]Day 0:

Landed in Jakarta airport at noon, took a bluebird taxi from their stand to Pasar Baru for 180 k IDR. Reached fave hotel (Pasar Baru) and slept till late night. Fave Hotel is a budget hotel ($30) but didn't have basic things like mini-bar, wardrobe and a reliabel wifi. Other than location nothing really good about it. Tried to use Grab taxi and Bluebird taxi apps but drivers refused to come to the hotel. I guess the best way is to catch'them on the street. Went back to my room and slept again..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2125298]
Side note: This might just be me, but I get a little self-conscious when I am pursuing multiple girls in the venue, and wonder how it reflects if they see me going with different girls, coming back often, etc. I know rationally that they know what we're there for, but I kind of don't want to be seen as indiscriminate either LOL. Anyone else feel this way? For example: the dancer that recognized me, messaged me later and was like "I saw you talking to another dancer when you said you were going home", which is true, I was intending to go home but got distracted. Especially if I had good chemistry with a girl that I sessioned with, I don't want to disappoint her if I pick another. Weird I know. I've had the same issue with Macau, where I have purposefully gone to a different sauna if I knew a girl I liked and have kept in touch with was working that night and I wasn't going to pick her.

and it was funny how hungry these girls are-- they tore into that food like they haven't eaten in a week.

I tried to say don't need condom for 40 k, but it didn't seem like it was an option. Do I just flat out refuse? Or can I bring my own?[/QUOTE]Just tell the girl you want to try a new one. She is there to fuck other guys, so don't worry about that stuff.

Food? No, they don't eat much. So if you bought them food, they should take better care of you (if you choose one of them).

Condoms. You have already been told. Decline their condom price. Bring your own, whatever kind you like. Don't forget the girls also have condoms in their bag.
YES. DECLINE the extra cost for condoms.

I'll be in Jakarta just for a day on Saturday. Have to head to airport at 9 pm.

I'll do a massage type place around noon then want to visit a venue with lots of dancing girls. What options do I have? I see King Cross only starts at 8:30 pm.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2125298]Side note: This might just be me, but I get a little self-conscious when I am pursuing multiple girls in the venue, and wonder how it reflects if they see me going with different girls, coming back often, etc. I know rationally that they know what we're there for, but I kind of don't want to be seen as indiscriminate either LOL. Anyone else feel this way? For example: the dancer that recognized me, messaged me later and was like "I saw you talking to another dancer when you said you were going home", which is true, I was intending to go home but got distracted. Especially if I had good chemistry with a girl that I sessioned with, I don't want to disappoint her if I pick another. Weird I know. I've had the same issue with Macau, where I have purposefully gone to a different sauna if I knew a girl I liked and have kept in touch with was working that night and I wasn't going to pick her.[/QUOTE]IMHO, Emporium, Mailo and such girls are there to hook up with clients. If you are trying to meet them outside as a repeat, it should not matter either. If you are meeting freelancers or regular girls, then you might worry about your image. Otherwise, both of you are in the game and just be civil and polite and say next time.

Greetings fellow,

Longtime lurker, first-time contributor here. I went to Orchardz industri raya today at about 6 pm, and I have. I suppose you'd call it a field report, but like watching a human pyramid, it raises more questions than it answers. Got the super VIP room for 285 k, went in, lockers facilities all as reported, except the "exercise area", which was two lonely stationary bikes. Super VIP room was basic but clean, mirrors, double bed, shower with decent water pressure. Nice lady behind the counter with all the hanging number tags asks your girl preference, you don't get to pick.

You knew all that though, or you would within 5 minutes of walking in the door if you don't. What makes this report-worthy. Said nice lady knows nothing about the notorious "butterfly" package. I blocked out 5 hours of my day for what's reported all over the Internet as a reliably slippery 3-hour ordeal. She just said, "I recommend #61" based on "slim". OK, sure, let's see what happens. Good recommendation looks-wise, nothing to write home about but I doubt you'd day no, 22 and not at all fat or big-boned with solid C / D pillows, but I got an okay-ish oil massage in her underwear, not topless, for 45 minutes followed by "mau apa? HJ / BJ / FJ, from the technician. I didn't even ask prices, just said HJ, which was a one-handed affair that did the job but honestly leaves me wanting more. Chatted for a bit with Google translate, at the end when we exhausted topics of conversation and I motioned to leave she said "tip? I explained why I didn't have more cash and she smiled and hugged me anyway. Tipped 130 k (all the cash I brought. I thought packages were paid at the desk, only brought a card), walked out, polite smiles all around.

So, kinda positive experience with everything on offer by a satisfactory provider, but definitely not what I came for. It's 8 pm, that means I got in and out of the room in under 90 minutes. Go back and read about what the "butterfly" package is, that ain't what I got, but I also got a nice, cooperative provider who didn't beg for tips or rush me. I think. I can live with that! You're hearing sour grapes because I wanted the squishy oily booby foreplay.

I'm new in Jakarta and to this hobby in general, but I've read back hundreds of pages in this and other forums, so the new governor and general unpredictability of establishments and girls are both factors I know exist.

But the question stands. Are the packages gone, or did I get unlucky? I hope it's the latter, and that some kindly dirty old soul can tell me to grow a pair and tell the nice desk lady in the lounge she's wrong.

[QUOTE=SomeJerk;2127263]Tipped 130 k (all the cash I brought. I thought packages were paid at the desk, only brought a card)[/QUOTE]I don't think the place is allowed to openly offer that butterfly package anymore due to the recent local crackdowns. But had you brought cash, you could easily have gotten the girl to do it in the room for some extra cash if you knew enough bahasa indonesian to communicate to her what you want. It used to be about 800k for that butterfly package. You can figure out how much you needed to tip her by subtracting what you paid for the room compared to 800k.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2127463]I don't think the place is allowed to openly offer that butterfly package anymore due to the recent local crackdowns. But had you brought cash, you could easily have gotten the girl to do it in the room for some extra cash if you knew enough bahasa indonesian to communicate to her what you want. It used to be about 800k for that butterfly package. You can figure out how much you needed to tip her by subtracting what you paid for the room compared to 800k.[/QUOTE]"Make love" was offered without any mention of price, and based on previous reports here and elsewhere I know it's about 300 k / shot in room. This is why I say cooperative provider. No complaints regarding service except that the packages seem to no longer be openly offered. Which was the whole point of Orchardz vs other spas in the first place.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2127463]I don't think the place is allowed to openly offer that butterfly package anymore due to the recent local crackdowns. But had you brought cash, you could easily have gotten the girl to do it in the room for some extra cash if you knew enough bahasa indonesian to communicate to her what you want. It used to be about 800k for that butterfly package. You can figure out how much you needed to tip her by subtracting what you paid for the room compared to 800k.[/QUOTE]I just responded without reading carefully enough, and if the mods could kindly delete that response, I'd be grateful. On reread I missed the fact that could have gotten the body slide, not just "make love", in the room if I knew enough Bahasa Indonesia! LE blind goblok!

The more apt question would be, what might some useful vocabulary be to negotiate such a thing? I know very very basic Indonesian, improving but generally still failure-ish.

Still though, not offering it openly leads to people not knowing it exists, which leads in turn to a drop in demand, as well as the loss of the option of redress from management. Damn shame is what it is, sir.

[QUOTE=SomeJerk;2127593]I just responded without reading carefully enough, and if the mods could kindly delete that response, I'd be grateful. On reread I missed the fact that could have gotten the body slide, not just "make love", in the room if I knew enough Bahasa Indonesia! LE blind goblok!

The more apt question would be, what might some useful vocabulary be to negotiate such a thing? I know very very basic Indonesian, improving but generally still failure-ish.

Still though, not offering it openly leads to people not knowing it exists, which leads in turn to a drop in demand, as well as the loss of the option of redress from management. Damn shame is what it is, sir.[/QUOTE]I don't think speaking proper Indonesian will help that much, for example most girls will know what Blowjob is, ironically more girls know the word Blowjob than what it is in Indonesian. Sepong. I sometimes use the Sundanese word kenyot which is usually accepted with mirth.

I've not read back through the forum but I think you went to the wrong Orchardz. The main one is in PangJay while the small branches are at Industri and the Airport.

If they are not going to show you the girls for selection then yes you should request what the "special paket" are and get the receptionist to write it down with the prices on a scrap of paper, They will do this automatically as they are not on the official massage menu.

At Orchardz I remember I was always offered 3 special pakets. I prefer to select the Ice Smoothy which includes hot and cold tea BJ. I think Butterfly was called Butterfly, the other was mandi kucing / cat bath all about 800 k as Smooth suggests but could be up to 1 m.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2124797]I was talking to a working girl in my hotel room after sex. She said that Alexis is not closed, its just renamed and is operating at same place. Is it true?[/QUOTE]I read elsewhere that MOST of Alexis is still open. The spa is closed but the club and karaoke are still open. 1001 & Emporium are where to go for the Alexis spa treatment.

(I'd post the name of that very famous site if I knew that it was permitted.).

[QUOTE=UsPete;2127828]
At Orchardz I remember I was always offered 3 special pakets. I prefer to select the Ice Smoothy which includes hot and cold tea BJ. I think Butterfly was called Butterfly, the other was mandi kucing / cat bath all about 800 k as Smooth suggests but could be up to 1 m.[/QUOTE]Would someone please expand on what's in Orchardz' Butterfly package. There are a lot of comments of it having special inclusions and customers enjoying the time but Google and RTFF indicates it is just a breast / body to body massage to completion. Enjoyable, yes but hardly a one off rarety. Am I missing something??

I haven't been checking in much these past couple of months and I thought I would drop in to see what I have been missing and I have to say it would appear that the answer is "not much".

I can't believe the once mighty Jakarta scene is now reduced to Malioboro and Classic and a couple of other massage / spa joints, as would appear to be the case from the past few weeks of reports.

Is that it gentlemen? Or is it that, as I suspect is likely, the whole scene has moved online? Has Tinder absorbed everything now (as it certainly has in my case) that no one is much bothered about the commercial operations beyond the obvious handful of established places?

That works for me and I find I haven't the time to bother much about what's happening in the clubs and bars but is it really that limited these days? It must make it very restricted for visitors to this town, as I once was myself many years ago when thanks to this forum I was like a kid in a candy store visiting all the very many hot spots the length and breadth of this town, from CJ's to Kalijodo and Blok M to Lokasari with all points of BATS, Hard Rock Cafe, Panjay, Jalan Industri and Stadium in between.

Is Anies Baswedin winning without even trying?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2128698]Would someone please expand on what's in Orchardz' Butterfly package. There are a lot of comments of it having special inclusions and customers enjoying the time but Google and RTFF indicates it is just a breast / body to body massage to completion. Enjoyable, yes but hardly a one off rarety. Am I missing something??[/QUOTE]That's all it is. You aren't missing much if you don't check it out.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2128702]Or is it that, as I suspect is likely, the whole scene has moved online? Has Tinder absorbed everything now (as it certainly has in my case) that no one is much bothered about the commercial operations beyond the obvious handful of established places?[/QUOTE]I rarely go out anymore either. There is no need. It's so easy to find girls on tinder. But I still venture out at times. Eastern Promise is rocking on the weekends. If you haven't been lately, you should check it out. The owner of the place said the new influx of hookers there has saved the place since business was waning prior to that.

The old standards of BATS, CJs and pretty much every place you listed (other than kalijodo, hard rock, and stadium) are basically the same as ever (sans sexy dancers). If you do want to venture to those places, they are definitely still a good time. The problem is the girls at BATS and CJs are overpriced. I still love going there on occasion. Hell, I might go tonight. I don't know if the good band is at BATS tonight or not though. I think the new band there is pretty funny.

But I believe the reason there are pretty much only posts about the brothels up north anymore is that most of the guys from this forum who used to live in Jakarta do not live in Jakarta anymore. Those were the guys posting the interesting reports where they actually chatted up girls and had some fun with them other than in a one hour brothel room. Living in Jakarta absolutely opens up different and more interesting options than not living in Jakarta. I'd be surprised if more than 5 people on this forum still live in Jakarta these days. Nowadays it's mostly sex tourists flying in from Singapore or other fairly nearby places looking for a couple of days of cheap brothel sex with little or no getting to know the girl. It's definitely far less interesting conversation than we had in the old days. Seriously, how many reports do we need on Malioboro and Hotel Classic hookers? Once you've read one report, that's pretty much the way it is every time. I've been to those places probably 100 times, sometimes the girls are sucky, at times they are good, but the lay of the land is basically always the same. However, North Jakarta brothels do seem to be the main topic of interest now. Unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2128781]Eastern Promise is rocking on the weekends. If you haven't been lately, you should check it out. The owner of the place said the new influx of hookers there has saved the place since business was waning prior to that.[/QUOTE]You see? There still are nuggets to be found on this forum.

I had no idea about EP. I have always used it as a meeting place to hook up with Tinder dates as it is convenient and bule friendly. It is also a place the good girls can feel comfortable meeting in as I lay the essential groundwork for preparing to turn them bad (and if they have already agreed to meet up with a guy old enough to be their father for a late-night drink, the process of turning them bad is usually pretty perfunctory). Whereas if the Tinder date has already made it clear that she is open to negotiating commercial relations (and Tinder is full of them) then a glass of wine before popping next door to POP Hotel is always welcome.

However, I didn't realise that there already were in-house suppliers. I mean I knew half the waitresses could be had for the asking, and I have notched up a few of them, but I didn't know there were out and out hookers in the joint. I guess I always assumed they were the wives of the old Aussie oil blokes I saw propping up the bar or playing pool (sorry lads but you know what I mean).

Thanks Smoothy, great info as always.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2129012]
I had no idea about EP.[/QUOTE]Only on the weekend though for Eastern Promise. On another point, have you noticed that free lance girls have been dropping their asking price lately pretty much all over town? Tinder girls as well. The girls are telling me that things are much tougher than they used to be to find customers. While it used to be the standard asking price, I haven't had a new girl ask me for as much as a million rupiah in a while now. They now start negotiations at 800 k (other than CJs and BATS girls). Then again, I had a girl I met at CJs a couple of years ago tell me to forget it when I offered her 1 million to come to my place, she wanted at least 1.5. But she wasn't a hard core hooker, she works mainly as a SPG and rarely hits CJs, I'm not sure she knows times are tough on the hooker front yet.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2129057]Only on the weekend though for Eastern Promise. On another point, have you noticed that free lance girls have been dropping their asking price lately pretty much all over town? Tinder girls as well. The girls are telling me that things are much tougher than they used to be to find customers. While it used to be the standard asking price, I haven't had a new girl ask me for as much as a million rupiah in a while now. They now start negotiations at 800 k (other than CJs and BATS girls). Then again, I had a girl I met at CJs a couple of years ago tell me to forget it when I offered her 1 million to come to my place, she wanted at least 1.5. But she wasn't a hard core hooker, she works mainly as a SPG and rarely hits CJs, I'm not sure she knows times are tough on the hooker front yet.[/QUOTE]I find the Tinder girls are happy to accept around 600,000 for the most part, sure one or two insist on crazy money, I have even been asked for 3 million, but by and large they are happy with that for a mid-afternoon hook-up. Of course you can get it much cheaper in Malioboro or Classic, but I prefer semi-pros over bonded serfs in bordellos for fun experiences, plus they don't insist on condoms for blow-jobs, or indeed often at all.

Forgive me but tossing up between PP or Jakarta. Done Bali, KL, Sing, Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok, HCM, Manila, Cebu and a few others.

Am more a FL, pick up, nightclub take home to hotel room guy more so than massage, fishbowl, spa or ST hotel guy.

No 1 spot for me is BC in KL. Love the Viets there, quick, easy, no BF but a tad expensive.

Looking for cheaper option for a week to 10 days.

So pros and cons when tossing up PP vs Jak.

Regards.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2129509]Forgive me but tossing up between PP or Jakarta. Done Bali, KL, Sing, Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok, HCM, Manila, Cebu and a few others. Am more a FL, pick up, nightclub take home to hotel room guy more so than massage, fishbowl, spa or ST hotel guy. No 1 spot for me is BC in KL. Love the Viets there, quick, easy, no BF but a tad expensive.
Looking for cheaper option for a week to 10 days.

So pros and cons when tossing up PP vs Jak.

[/QUOTE]The short answer is Jakarta, but I know you will eventually visit both cities so pick one for your next trip and have a great time. I prefer both Jakarta & Phnom over KL. Here are some comparisons to think about:

1. CJ's (Jakarta) is a much better 5 * pickup bar than BC. Darling Darling (Phnom) is good too, but not on the level of CJ's. Score +1 for Jakarta.

2. Phnom has many small hostess bars which you will like. The remaining few Blok M bars (Jakarta) can be good, but score +1 for Phnom.

3. Jakarta has Malio / Malioboro, Kings Cross, Emporium & Tease, Colosseum Club & 1001 Pool, Illigals, and Classic. I know what you stated as your preferences above, but this is where Jakarta out shines itself. You will not know what you are missing until you check these bordellos out. Score a BIG +1 for Jakarta.

4. Phnom is considerably cheaper than Jakarta, so I leave it to you how much weight to give this consideration.

I will sum up my preferences this way: When I am thinking about a fun filled 5-night visa run from LOS, my favorite destination is Phnom Penh. It is funky Buddha land and Khmer girls are very friendly. The Food is good and I like the culture. But when I am considering a serious alternative to BKK or Manila loaded with really attractive and passionate girls, especially for a 2-week trip or longer, there is no better place that comes to my mind than Jakarta. Hence my recommendation is go to Jakarta and have a great time. But again, Phnom Penh is a lot of fun too only I would recommend it for a shorter side trip out of BKK or Pattaya.

On the last few days of my trip last week, I was feeling kind of worn out. I'm a once a day kind of guy, and recently, late nights are no longer my thing, so the 3-4 am finishes were taking its toll.

Was able to meet up with two civvies off Tinder and TanTan (mainland China app), though both were local girls. It took quite a bit of chatting before we could arrange a time to meet. One was older, but cute, and eager to jump into bed. No IDR requested, but had a nice dinner out with drinks. The other from Tinder was a sweet girl looking more for a dating situation but and she did not come over until the second meeting, and ended up being a really great time back at the hotel, despite her initial reservations. She came around on her own though, no Aziz-style persuasion needed.

One thing I've noticed is I don't seem to be getting as many matches from apps as others report here-- maybe because I'm not bule? Most girls that match with me are looking for boyfriends. I also haven't had any girls straight up ask for cash to come over or anything like that either. And I haven't seen any profiles with the BO, VCO codes really. Some massage offers, but they say only massage in your room for 300 k (unless they offer more once they come over? Or is this more of a bait & switch / scam?

Decided to do a repeat with one of the girls from my 3-some at Malio Bar, I think she is pretty damned cute and has a hot body with large natural tits and the very slim body that I prefer. She seemed surprised to see me again, and was a little smiley / giggly. Why I can't get her to meet me OTC is beyond me. Did not see much else in Malio that night (a Tuesday night).

Also managed to meet up with one of the girls from Emporium OTC. She came over after her shift in the wee hours, and didn't stay the night (my preference). Pretty amazing experience with her, she was ravenous. Wanted to go 2 x but I only had one. Gave her 1 m tip, probably could have given less but it was an above and beyond session and I want to keep the door open for next time.

On a side note: Tried to check out V2 Club Tuesday around 9 pm. But looks like it's closed? Or maybe I just couldn't find the entrance. I walked into the hotel on the right side but the vibe didn't seem right, then I walked around the left side, and found a banner advertising V2, but nobody around except for a few guys lying on the ground nearby. Lights kind of off, no security. Went up the elevator (which had V2 posters inside) and stopped at every floor but every floor was gated / locked up or deserted. Oh well, walked to Malio which was only 5 min away.

Second side note: One of the civvies I met up with first at Plaza Kalibata. Nearby are some residential towers, and we walked around a bit since she used to live there. We had a snack at a 24-hour diner inside the residential complex, and she mentioned that she has heard there is a lot of prostitution happening in the complex, and when she lived there saw lots of young, made up girls with older ladies going up and down the elevators and picking up guys to go upstairs. In fact, she thought the table behind us was a pimp and his girls (there were 3 really made-up girls wearing sexy outfits with a local guy all eating and on their phones). Maybe only accessible to locals.

All in all, fun first trip to Jakarta, hope to return soon.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2129528]

Second side note: One of the civvies I met up with first at Plaza Kalibata. Nearby are some residential towers, and we walked around a bit since she used to live there. We had a snack at a 24-hour diner inside the residential complex, and she mentioned that she has heard there is a lot of prostitution happening in the complex, and when she lived there saw lots of young, made up girls with older ladies going up and down the elevators and picking up guys to go upstairs. In fact, she thought the table behind us was a pimp and his girls (there were 3 really made-up girls wearing sexy outfits with a local guy all eating and on their phones). Maybe only accessible to locals.[/QUOTE]Kalibata City ("kalcit" as locally referred to) is besides a regular apartment complex also a "public secret" prostitution and narcotics place, it's often been reported on in Indonesian media. Girls mostly advertise through twitter / wechat / similar apps, and obviously it helps if you have numbers of some papi or mami's.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2129528]
Second side note: One of the civvies I met up with first at Plaza Kalibata. Nearby are some residential towers, and we walked around a bit since she used to live there. We had a snack at a 24-hour diner inside the residential complex, and she mentioned that she has heard there is a lot of prostitution happening in the complex, and when she lived there saw lots of young, made up girls with older ladies going up and down the elevators and picking up guys to go upstairs. In fact, she thought the table behind us was a pimp and his girls (there were 3 really made-up girls wearing sexy outfits with a local guy all eating and on their phones). Maybe only accessible to locals.
[/QUOTE]Those Kalibata hookers are not just for locals (although mostly for locals). They sometimes have 4 or 5 girls in the same small apartment there. They want 500 k for an hour. I have local friends who often send me photos of the girls they tried at Kalibata and offer me their contact numbers. Sometimes I get their contacts if they are hot and I do have quite a few of the girls numbers, but I have only tried it once. Those girls prefer to have sex in their apartment at kalibata while I prefer to have them come to my place so I only did it once. I'd much rather pay a little more to have them come to my place than have sex in one of those tiny Kalibata apartments. I've recently seen some Kalibata hookers on Tinder as well. I would think you could just hang out there at Kalibata and meet them as well in the dining area.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2129519]I prefer both Jakarta & Phnom over KL. [/QUOTE]I do too. However, I am a westerner, and I believe this guy may be Indian. That changes things quite a bit. If I were Indian, I would likely prefer KL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2129734] They sometimes have 4 or 5 girls in the same small apartment there.[/QUOTE]

That could work in your favour though: A buddy of mine once told me he went there and he arrived in a small studio apartment where he had a choice of 3 girls, after picking his girl the other 2 started to get their stuff to leave, he asked where they'd go and they said they'll wait outside for them to finish. He then got one to lick his ass and balls while he was banging the original one and the other one to record it all on his phone for a 150k tip to each.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2129741]I do too. However, I am a westerner, and I believe this guy may be Indian. That changes things quite a bit. If I were Indian, I would likely prefer KL.[/QUOTE]We kill for less here. LOL.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2129849]We kill for less here. LOL.[/QUOTE]My apologies. Then Natty's advice is spot on for you. I do find that there are different segments of the mongering population. Westerners, Asians, Indian, etc. Each segment has a bit different tastes.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2129857]My apologies. Then Natty's advice is spot on for you. I do find that there are different segments of the mongering population. Westerners, Asians, Indian, etc. Each segment has a bit different tastes.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm a lover not a fighter.

And a double for Natty be!

Well, have not heard about the exact location in all the years. Will definitely have to give it shot as something different. The funny thing is that locals who are safe for me to ask such things always seem to draw a blank when I ask them questions about places to go.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2129725]Kalibata City ("kalcit" as locally referred to) is besides a regular apartment complex also a "public secret" prostitution and narcotics place, it's often been reported on in Indonesian media. Girls mostly advertise through twitter / wechat / similar apps, and obviously it helps if you have numbers of some papi or mami's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2129970]The funny thing is that locals who are safe for me to ask such things always seem to draw a blank when I ask them questions about places to go.[/QUOTE]That reminds me of when I very first came to stay in Jakarta. The office I was working in had some expats so I figured they could lead me to the night life. They all claimed that they didn't go out since they were married. Later I found out they were going out every night of the week chasing Indonesian pussy and just didn't want people outside their circle knowing what they were doing.

I worked on Java in 2014 and spent some time in Jakarta during my tenure there.

My favorite haunts are CJ's, then BATS, and Top Gun.

Near the end, I discovered Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawi thanks to posts by Koperen Klaas. At the time there were a fair amount of negative posts about the place but it suited me well and I always enjoyed it. Low key, small, decent looking girls, excellent service, GFE attitude, fair price at 600 k. I made maybe 6 visits and loved every one.

I would go there for fun in the afternoon (Arti) or early evening (Ani) before the evening began at 10 pm at CJ's or BTA'S. I like to get there early and get a good seat near the entry door to peruse the talent walking in.

I am coming back to visit my 2014 friends from where I worked. I spend 3 weeks on Java overlapping between April and May. I have 6 days to spend in Jakarta & the rest in the province.

I was sad to learn of the demise or Maribaya last year.

I have spent weeks perusing the forum, in part, searching for a replacement for Maribaya. I do not like huge meat markets where there is mostly perfunctory or starfish performance. A GFE attitude and personality probably tops my list. I don't need stunners and can always find a girl who I find pretty. I go more for the "girl next door" look anyway.

I'm 60, 6'1" and chubby. Started my diet the day I bought the tickets a few weeks ago. Lost 15 lbs already. Nothing beats proper motivation to stick to a diet. In fact I lost 65 pounds in 2014 while in Indonesia. Regardless, when in the P4P market, I never had a problem finding women and my belief is that personality and attitude top the girls list.

In all my research, it seems like Kings Cross might be the closest match to Maribaya for me.

I've noticed more comments in general about CBJ at some venues up north. BBBJ is a must for me. So I need place where those girls are more of the majority.

The only issue seems to be location as it a far afield from the CJ's area where I am staying.

Comments, Ideas, Solutions?

P.S. I know nothing of Tinder, but hope to try it when I am there.

Thanks, Traveler.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2129848]He then got one to lick his ass and balls while he was banging the original one and the other one to record it all on his phone for a 150k tip to each.[/QUOTE]Seems the one who got stuck licking his balls and ass for 150 k got the short end of the stick while the one who simply had to record it on his cell phone for the same money got a great deal.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2129725]Kalibata City ("kalcit" as locally referred to) is besides a regular apartment complex also a "public secret" prostitution and narcotics place, it's often been reported on in Indonesian media. Girls mostly advertise through twitter / wechat / similar apps, and obviously it helps if you have numbers of some papi or mami's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2129734]Those Kalibata hookers are not just for locals (although mostly for locals). They sometimes have 4 or 5 girls in the same small apartment there. They want 500 k for an hour. I have local friends who often send me photos of the girls they tried at Kalibata and offer me their contact numbers. Sometimes I get their contacts if they are hot and I do have quite a few of the girls numbers, but I have only tried it once. Those girls prefer to have sex in their apartment at kalibata while I prefer to have them come to my place so I only did it once. I'd much rather pay a little more to have them come to my place than have sex in one of those tiny Kalibata apartments. I've recently seen some Kalibata hookers on Tinder as well. I would think you could just hang out there at Kalibata and meet them as well in the dining area.[/QUOTE]Would you guys consider this a safe option for foreigners? Also how is the quality compared to say, Classic, at a similar price point?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2130225]Would you guys consider this a safe option for foreigners? Also how is the quality compared to say, Classic, at a similar price point?[/QUOTE]Sure it's safe. Quality is not as good as Classic and is more expensive. Buy let's get real, there is no better value for money in the entire world than Hotel Classic when you compare. Classic has young, hot girls and includes nice rooms with a shower for about 25 USD an hour for everything - and it's safe. I don't know any place anywhere in the world that has a deal as good as that when you are considering both the girl and the venue.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130236]Sure it's safe. Quality is not as good as Classic and is more expensive. Buy let's get real, there is no better value for money in the entire world than Hotel Classic when you compare. Classic has young, hot girls and includes nice rooms with a shower for about 25 USD an hour for everything - and it's safe. I don't know any place anywhere in the world that has a deal as good as that when you are considering both the girl and the venue.[/QUOTE]Certainly wish we had venues like Classic in BKK. Jakarta is different. Not a tourist destination and you fish in the same pond as the locals. They are far more welcoming. Locals in BKK don't want foreigners in their places. Also locals in Thailand like to brag about what they spent. Does not seem to be as much the case in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2130246]Certainly wish we had venues like Classic in BKK. Jakarta is different. Not a tourist destination and you fish in the same pond as the locals. They are far more welcoming. Locals in BKK don't want foreigners in their places. Also locals in Thailand like to brag about what they spent. Does not seem to be as much the case in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Beware though of Smoothy's recommendations. Less than four months ago he wrote in a post here "I totally agree with most of your report. Especially the crap shag at Hotel Classic. That's "standard" crap service at that place. Although it's cheap and the girls are young and hot. It's extremely rare to get good sex there. " His most recent post stating "Buy let's get real, there is no better value for money in the entire world than Hotel Classic when you compare" should be read in tandem with his earlier posts (there are many actually) complaining about how bad the service is there.

There are a lot of great places in Jakarta, and it is IMHO overall a better scene than Bangkok although it is difficult to know whether that will continue for long given the real possibility of politically-motivated crackdowns, some of which have already occurred. But as a Jakarta regular, I don't even bother with Classic (or Travel, its competitor for terrible service) anymore.

So, what do you recommend, LA5?

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2130261]There are a lot of great places in Jakarta, and it is IMHO overall a better scene than Bangkok .[/QUOTE]

OMG! LOL! Generally had luck with colleagues with at least pointing me in the right direction. I thought there might be places locals go, not so much for the price but for the change of scenery and experience. Being going to the same joints mentioned here so was looking to something different when I have time to explore and not just want to shoot a load. Glad to hear Classic is considered good value.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130135]That reminds me of when I very first came to stay in Jakarta. The office I was working in had some expats so I figured they could lead me to the night life. They all claimed that they didn't go out since they were married. Later I found out they were going out every night of the week chasing Indonesian pussy and just didn't want people outside their circle knowing what they were doing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2130280]So, what do you recommend, LA5?[/QUOTE]I think we all already know by now that LA5 only has one truly favorite spot. Taman Lawang. However, I don't even consider it as an option.

Why is that Smoothy? Pardon my ignorance.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130409]I think we all already know by now that LA5 only has one truly favorite spot. Taman Lawang. However, I don't even consider it as an option.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2130280]So, what do you recommend, LA5?[/QUOTE]Some of the places I can recommend in Jakarta include King Cross, Malioboro (although staff there can drive you crazy with too many demands for tips), and the brothels at Kota Indah off of Pangeran Jayakarta, including the newly renovated Sari Ayu. The latter brothels are in the same price range as Classic and Travel and to the extent the cheaper lounge is open at Malioboro--this seems to vary from one time to another--it can too be in the same general price range.

There are, of course, many other good options in Jakarta, many of which have been mentioned in this thread and some of which are rather inexpensive.

As to Smoothy's childish insult directed at me for pointing out the contradictions in his posts about Classic, it is sad to see such an immature post by a member of this community.

I recently had a wechat pimp show me a pic of a very hot white skinned 19 year old girl with long sexy legs. This was a picture of a girl that Indonesian and Chinese men dream about, and of course Bules would like her as well. So I agreed to have her come over. I was quite leery that this hot girl was not going to be the one showing up, but I was just sitting home watching TV, so it was no gamble and I could send her away if I didn't like the girl. 15 minutes later, I get a call from security asking me if I agreed to allow a girl up who wanted to come to my room. I asked him if she was nice looking, and he said she was. I would have accepted her up anyway, but I like joking around with the security guy. He knows I have a lot of girls come over and is always good for a laugh when discussing the girls. But what showed up at my door? A dark skinned girl who looked nothing like the girl in the photo other than having long hair and long legs. I know I should have turned the girl away as point of principle, but she had a great smile, a very cute face, and seemed to have a fun personality. She was 19 years old, probably about 165 cm tall, nice long hair, and couldn't speak a word of English (which means nothing to me, but indicates she's not used to being with white guys). I decided to go ahead and accept her in. It ended up being a pretty good "massage" and she was willing to wear a body stocking so she was fairly good fun. She was obviously new to the game from the way she conducted herself. She at first asked for a condom even for the BJ and I told her that wasn't going to happen. I got the impression that she had been told by someone else to ask for a condom and she immediately agreed not to use a condom. Honestly, she didn't know much about sex and had to be directed (but was willing). It was as if she had only tried missionary position and sex on top. Other than that, I had to instruct her into each position (reverse cowgirl, pile driver, etc). She was reluctant to certain positions at first, but got into it as we went along. No anal though. I got her personal phone number in case I wanted to repeat in the future. But I told the pimp that even though the girl he sent was pretty nice, I didn't appreciate being lied to and blocked his number.

Just for reference for those asking about the quality of girls at kalibata city apartments, this is a Kalibata girl. This girl looks very nice in this photo, but in reality, that massage girl I posted in the previous post was nicer. The photos just aren't as nice.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130514]I recently had a wechat pimp show me a pic of a very hot white skinned 19 year old girl with long sexy legs. This was a picture of a girl that Indonesian and Chinese men dream about, and of course Bules would like her as well. So I agreed to have her come over. I was quite leery that this hot girl was not going to be the one showing up, but I was just sitting home watching TV, so it was no gamble and I could send her away if I didn't like the girl. 15 minutes later, I get a call from security asking me if I agreed to allow a girl up who wanted to come to my room. I asked him if she was nice looking, and he said she was. I would have accepted her up anyway, but I like joking around with the security guy. He knows I have a lot of girls come over and is always good for a laugh when discussing the girls. But what showed up at my door? A dark skinned girl who looked nothing like the girl in the photo other than having long hair and long legs. I know I should have turned the girl away as point of principle, but she had a great smile, a very cute face, and seemed to have a fun personality. She was 19 years old, probably about 165 cm tall, nice long hair, and couldn't speak a word of English (which means nothing to me, but indicates she's not used to being with white guys). I decided to go ahead and accept her in. It ended up being a pretty good "massage" and she was willing to wear a body stocking so she was fairly good fun. She was obviously new to the game from the way she conducted herself. She at first asked for a condom even for the BJ and I told her that wasn't going to happen..[/QUOTE]Thank you for your contribution and making this forum live again, so what was the damage you paid for this girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130517]This girl looks very nice in this photo, but in reality, that massage girl I posted in the previous post was nicer. The photos just aren't as nice.[/QUOTE]Both are pretty nice, I'd take either.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130236]Buy let's get real, there is no better value for money in the entire world than Hotel Classic when you compare.[/QUOTE]Of course there is specially when you consider the poor service that you can find there. Just look at other boards.

But in Jakarta the best value for money is not to be found in brothels we all know that.

Oh, in Jakarta, where would one find the best value for money?

[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2130564]Of course there is specially when you consider the poor service that you can find there. Just look at other boards.

But in Jakarta the best value for money is not to be found in brothels we all know that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2130564]Of course there is specially when you consider the poor service that you can find there. Just look at other boards.

But in Jakarta the best value for money is not to be found in brothels we all know that.[/QUOTE]That depends on your definition of value for money. The guy specifically used Hotel Classic for the value comparison. That indicates he likes Hotel Classic. For those who like the service at Hotel Classic, there is no possible better value for money. I think the service sucks so I don't go there, but I have friends (all of them are Asian) who love it. Personally, I don't look for value for money, I look for a good experience. I consider an expensive girl who provides good service to be better value than a cheaply priced girl who just lays there.

I think this board probably has more complaints about bad service at Hotel Classic than any other (especially by me). But I will admit that you can't easily find young girls and a very nice room for that cheap price.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2130514]I recently had a wechat ...... 15 minutes later, I get a call from security asking me if I agreed to allow a girl up who wanted to come to my room. what showed up at my door? A dark skinned girl who looked nothing like the girl in the photo other than having long hair and long legs.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you got a good one. Talk about luck, especially considering she wasn't the same girl advertised. What was the damage for the session?

Alexis was probably the best spa in Jakarta in terms of choice of girls and facility, but since it is now closed, and I already experienced Malioboro, I wanted to try something new.

Based on the reports, Illigals seemed to be worth a visit, so I decided to have a go. When I arrived, the entrance was a bit confusing, as you need to go through an alley that is next to the Starbucks. Once I reached Illigals, I went straight to the 3rd floor for the massage & spa. The entrance fee is 100 k Rupiah, and when I entered, I saw quite an empty bar with tables with few girls sitting around and a pool in the middle. The mamasan approached me asking me what I wanted, and so I asked for for the options. She gave me 2 choices: Regular for 900 k and Special for 1. 3 Mil Rupiah, all locals, no import. Then she immediately pushed me to go for Regular and pointed me to one girl, which I did not really like. I asked for Special and she said all of them are busy. And kept pushing me for this girl. Then I said I wanted to see the line up, which she was reluctant to do, she asked 3 other girls to come, which I also did not like, then she asked everyone to join. The line up was about 8 girls in total, all ranging from 5 to 7. I was quite disappointed that they did not have more than this. The only one smiling at me was the one she initially pointed out to me. So although I did not like her face, her body looked OK and I decided to go for her.

After that, we went straight to the room, she did not even propose to have a session at the swimming pool, like in Alexis. The room was nice, large and well maintained, and the girl immediately put some porn on TV for me to watch. Then we went to shower, and start the session immediately. She did BBBJ me, we did various position, with DFK. Overall, it as an average session. When I finished, and put on my clothes, we went out and I went to pay at the counter.

The bill was totally at 1. 3 Mil Rupiah, and they tried to charge me for a drink which I did not take, so I asked them to take it out: 900 k for the girl + 100 k entrance fee + 100 k tip + taxes. I found the cost quite high for the value that you get: although the facility was nice, there were a limited choice of girl, with average quality, the session was average and mamasan quite pushy, not willing to give me the line up. So I will not repeat with Illigals. I really miss the spa from Alexis! I hope there will be a similar set-up soon in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2130564]Of course there is specially when you consider the poor service that you can find there. Just look at other boards.

But in Jakarta the best value for money is not to be found in brothels we all know that.[/QUOTE]What other boards? Where would I find the better value for 1 M IDR in your opinion? What would be a bottom low offer accepted at CJ's and BATS?

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2130453]Some of the places I can recommend in Jakarta include King Cross, Malioboro (although staff there can drive you crazy with too many demands for tips), and the brothels at Kota Indah off of Pangeran Jayakarta, including the newly renovated Sari Ayu. The latter brothels are in the same price range as Classic and Travel and to the extent the cheaper lounge is open at Malioboro [/QUOTE]All of these places can be OK, I still have trouble getting used to the cold showers, smell of wee and cockroaches at Kota Indah. And have nearly stopped going to MTR bar there because of the number of mosquitoes in the room and getting my feet minced by them while the lady had been attending to parts further up. Dengue fever is still quite common around Jakarta and I don't want it. Then the last skill I have developed there is the dodge the burning cigarette shuffle amongst all the locals dancing away. They do appear to have a good time though.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2130834]Yeah, you got a good one. Talk about luck, especially considering she wasn't the same girl advertised. What was the damage for the session?[/QUOTE]I gave her 800 K.

Although I used to go out frequently, I rarely go out anymore since it's so convenient just meeting girls on Tinder or wechat and having them come to my place. However, I decided to head out last night. I'm a fan of live music, so started the night at Jaya Pub. For those who don't know, Jaya Pub is one of the oldest pubs in Jakarta. I'm not sure, but I think it opened back in the 70's. It's now owned by a couple of older Indonesian "legend artists" (I think they were actors or dangdut singers in the past), and the female owner is almost always seated in the back of the bar. As usual, on the weekend it was packed. Quite a few expats hang out there, but it's not really a pickup spot. It's one of the places in town where you can actually see a white guy there with his white wife, if that tells you anything about the chances of picking up a hooker there. Slim to none. LOL. But if you like live music in a casual pub environment where they play rock, this is a good place to have some beers.

There are a lot of middle class Indos there as well. I find that if I go there alone and just hang out listening to the music, it's easy to find friends for the evening just among the crowd. One time I had an Indo guy trying to fix me up with his daughter. His daughter looked pretty damn good too. But they lost interest when they found out how long I had stayed in Jakarta. Haha.

Anyway, the bands were pretty good, and as usual, the crowd sang along to many songs and tooted horns after pretty much every song (bicycle horns are hanging from the ceiling all over the bar, so you can toot the horns after the songs you like as a form of appreciation. As the night goes on and people get more drunk, the horns are honked more and more.) They change bands every hour. One of the bands there played mostly Queen songs and did a good job with them, then played a really unique version of Hotel California that was fast paced and rockin' rather than it's normal slow pace, which I found pretty cool. I should have made a video of that one. I find it a good time there even though I know I am not going to be picking up any girls.

After a couple of hours at Jaya Pub, I left and headed to Eastern Promise. They also had a live band. It's the same band that used to play Hard Rock Cafe and Liquid Exchange. I think the name of the band is Java Beat. I'd recommend that band to anyone, one of the better bands in Jakarta. It wasn't as hot outside as normal due to rain recently so it was bearable there. The place had a fairly large selection of hookers without a doubt. I almost felt like I was in Top Gun because there were some of the normal Top Gun girls there. I can't say the selection of ladies was as good as you find at CJs or BATS, but it was decent. There was one quite tall girl who was walking out with her friends when I first walked in, and I regret not hitting on her immediately and pulling her back into the bar. Stunner. However, all was not lost as I ended up with a girl I liked. I had not seen her around before so I doubt she was a Top Gun girl. She said she was 20 years old and she lived in Bintaro, but was there with her friends to celebrate her friend's birthday. Her friend with the birthday had a white boyfriend so I am guessing he was footing the bill for the evening. Her friends were not attractive at all, but she was definitely attractive in my opinion. Although her friend spoke English, she didn't speak a word of English. This chick loved to dance. Unfortunately, the way she danced reminded me of the puppet from the old Howdy Doody show for some reason. She didn't look like that puppet, but moved like him. Haha. I can't say that was a turn on, however she was quite cute. Luckily she didn't move like that in bed later.

I left Eastern Promise with the girl and we went to the bar at the top of the Westin hotel for a final drink for the night. I hadn't been there in months and it looked like it was a clear night so we could have a good view of Jakarta from the 67th floor bar. Unfortunately, going there was a mistake (or at least ordering the drinks I did was a mistake). The view was excellent, but just one drink for the both of us was 450 k. What a rip off. Next time I will stick with beer. After that I took her home and had her put on a skimpy school girl skirt and some black nylons. She was good fun, good in bed, and it was a nice end to the night. Photos attached.

I still prefer Tinder and wechat delivery, but it was a good change of pace.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2130964]An have nearly stopped going to MTR bar there because of the number of mosquitoes in the room and getting my feet minced by them while the lady had been attending to parts further up. Dengue fever is still quite common around Jakarta and I don't want it. [/QUOTE]Yes, makes sense. Dengue coincides with the rainy season, which is now (Nov-April). Once I picked it up in Gili T, ages ago, it was ugly. Very.

Maybe two good things to know about dengue:

1. Mozzies that transmit it, bite during the daytime and especially like the times around dusk and dawn.

2. Dengue is location bound. Don't know if health care / councils are tracking locations in Jakarta?

But last week I was in South Lombok and canceled plans to go Sekotong as it is going around there now.

Awesome photo's BTW. Thanks sir mulus.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2130453]Some of the places I can recommend in Jakarta include King Cross, Malioboro (although staff there can drive you crazy with too many demands for tips), and the brothels at Kota Indah off of Pangeran Jayakarta, including the newly renovated Sari Ayu. The latter brothels are in the same price range as Classic and Travel . . . [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2130964]All of these places can be OK, I still have trouble getting used to the cold showers, smell of wee and cockroaches at Kota Indah. And have nearly stopped going to MTR bar there because of the number of mosquitoes in the room and getting my feet minced by them while the lady had been attending to parts further up. Dengue fever is still quite common around Jakarta and I don't want it. Then the last skill I have developed there is the dodge the burning cigarette shuffle amongst all the locals dancing away. They do appear to have a good time though.[/QUOTE]Thirteen minutes before posting the above, OS wrote me a message in which he said, among other things, "I am a huge fan of kota Indah. . . " and "It is entirely your decision but I prefer to keep KI as discreet as possible on this forum. . . " While his pm to me from which I only reproduced a small portion makes it clear why he posted his largely negative review here, I felt him doing so had the collateral effect of making my recommendation look foolish. I therefore asked him to remove his post, but I haven't heard back from him. So in light of this I think this clarification is appropriate. I, however, would have no objection if Jackson removes both OS's post as well as my present response to it.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2128702]I haven't been checking in much these past couple of months and I thought I would drop in to see what I have been missing and I have to say it would appear that the answer is "not much".

I can't believe the once mighty Jakarta scene is now reduced to Malioboro and Classic and a couple of other massage / spa joints, as would appear to be the case from the past few weeks of reports.

Is that it gentlemen? Or is it that, as I suspect is likely, the whole scene has moved online? Has Tinder absorbed everything now (as it certainly has in my case) that no one is much bothered about the commercial operations beyond the obvious handful of established places?

That works for me and I find I haven't the time to bother much about what's happening in the clubs and bars but is it really that limited these days? It must make it very restricted for visitors to this town, as I once was myself many years ago when thanks to this forum I was like a kid in a candy store visiting all the very many hot spots the length and breadth of this town, from CJ's to Kalijodo and Blok M to Lokasari with all points of BATS, Hard Rock Cafe, Panjay, Jalan Industri and Stadium in between.

Is Anies Baswedin winning without even trying?[/QUOTE]I just returned from three weeks in Jakarta and the scene has indeed changed. A number of Top Gun girls have moved to EP, but I also picked up a few MILF's there (and was actually picked up by one last Tuesday). I haven't been to Blok M. I planned on going to BATS, but unfortunately was sick for three days, which kind of ruined my schedule a bit. It's handy to have a little list of phone numbers of girls ready, willing and able to come to your room, taking a friend if you want it.

After I sort my pictures I will upload some to the Picture Gallery.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2131548]I just returned from three weeks in Jakarta I haven't been to Blok M.[/QUOTE]Three weeks in Jakarta and you didn't visit Blok M? What the hell is the world coming to?

It sounds like Blok M is in decline (duh) and Eastern Promise is rising. I will have to check out EP. Looking forward to it in fact.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2131613]It sounds like Blok M is in decline (duh) and Eastern Promise is rising. I will have to check out EP. Looking forward to it in fact.[/QUOTE]EP is a great place. Even if you go during the week just for a drink and food it's pretty good. Grand Kameng hotel across the road is good too.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2129082]I find the Tinder girls are happy to accept around 600,000 for the most part[/QUOTE]I have not had this same experience. Are you talking about the Tinder girls who are sent by pimps? Those girls get 300 k and the pimp gets whatever you agree to above that amount. Those type of girls will accept 600 k, but I haven't found any who will take as little as 600 k when the girl herself is the one putting the tinder ad up. They want at least 700 and mostly 800, some want 1 million or even more. I am curious if you are negotiating this amount before the girl arrives or are you just handing them that much on the way out with no negotiations involved?

Then there are the "freebies" who don't want any money at all, but those are the worst because they end up being a huge pain in the ass. I'd prefer to keep it a business transaction.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2131415]While his pm to me from which I only reproduced a small portion makes it clear why he posted his largely negative review here, I felt him doing so had the collateral effect of making my recommendation look foolish.[/QUOTE]

Both of you are right. Kota Indah is indeed a place with seedy and smoky brothel bars down a dark alley with cold showers, smell of wee and cockroaches. That said, the place is still worth checking out for those not too squeamish. Prices are roughly the same as in Classic or Travel, there's a fair bit of choice, no door fees, and I think service is slightly better (admittedly, compared to a rather low baseline). My sample might be too small to know for sure. At least mamasans are not nearly as aggressive or annoying as in Classic or Travel (my main gripe about those places apart from service).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2131855]Both of you are right. Kota Indah is indeed a place with seedy and smoky brothel bars down a dark alley with cold showers, smell of wee and cockroaches. That said, the place is still worth checking out for those not too squeamish. Prices are roughly the same as in Classic or Travel, there's a fair bit of choice, no door fees, and I think service is slightly better (admittedly, compared to a rather low baseline). My sample might be too small to know for sure. At least mamasans are not nearly as aggressive or annoying as in Classic or Travel (my main gripe about those places apart from service).[/QUOTE]The petulance of some of our more childish members aside who think their judgement is being criticised. I would stand by everything I said about KI, having just spent time there Friday and Saturday nights just gone. All of the things I mentioned and confirmed by Crocodilexp are in play. The cockroaches are certainly about. , OS personally took the opportunity to relieve himself in the shower a couple of times and killed 4 mosquitos in MTR while getting ready to entertain the lovely lady, including one that had bitten somebody.

It also gets raided by the police periodically, the last one being on Tue 9th of Jan, police will block off the two entrances to the place and check IDs of everybody in the place, run drug tests on customers and the girls and generally make it known who is in charge. Indonesian police and military are not permitted in the dunia malam or night world and if the raid nets any police or military having a night of fun they are in a spot of bother.

There are always gems to be found in this business and so much depends on the proponents, I have always enjoyed myself at KI although I think getting the best out of these girls is about being empathetic and treating them like humans. I don't mind getting down and dirty.

I could imagine our petulant friend not enjoying himself much there, standing scowling at the door to bar royal with his teddy bear in hand and lip dragging on the floor waiting for the mammy to come and organise someone to play with his wee wee but then it's a diverse world we live in.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2132023]The petulance of some of our more childish members aside who think their judgement is being criticised. I would stand by everything I said about KI, having just spent time there Friday and Saturday nights just gone. All of the things I mentioned and confirmed by Crocodilexp are in play. The cockroaches are certainly about. , OS personally took the opportunity to relieve himself in the shower a couple of times and killed 4 mosquitos in MTR while getting ready to entertain the lovely lady, including one that had bitten somebody.

It also gets raided by the police periodically, the last one being on Tue 9th of Jan, police will block off the two entrances to the place and check IDs of everybody in the place, run drug tests on customers and the girls and generally make it known who is in charge. Indonesian police and military are not permitted in the dunia malam or night world and if the raid nets any police or military having a night of fun they are in a spot of bother.

There are always gems to be found in this business and so much depends on the proponents, I have always enjoyed myself at KI although I think getting the best out of these girls is about being empathetic and treating them like humans. I don't mind getting down and dirty.

I could imagine our petulant friend not enjoying himself much there, standing scowling at the door to bar royal with his teddy bear in hand and lip dragging on the floor waiting for the mammy to come and organise someone to play with his wee wee but then it's a diverse world we live in.

Hope that helps.

OS.[/QUOTE]Here is the entire PM OS sent me for those who may be interested:

Hi LA G.

I am a huge fan of kota Indah precisely because it is more locals. And a lot of the time service is sans caps. It is entirely your decision but I prefer to keep KI as discreet as possible on this forum so as to not spoil it with the wrong type of punter and there are a few.

But completely your call.

Regards.

OS.

I was shocked he then proceeded in response to my recommendation to bad mouth the place on this forum. You can form your own judgments as to why and the appropriateness of his posts here. Particularly interesting that he now says he took a "wee" in the shower at MTR apparently to somehow justify his earlier statement the places there smell like wee. Hilarious!

He must be a very brave man to visit MTR almost immediately after posting he would avoid the place because he feared getting Dengue Fever from the numerous mosquito bites he gets there. Great to see such a brave and level-headed member here!

As to OS's assertion I don't enjoy the place, it was me who recommended it on this board, and OS who responded by bad-mouthing it.

Oh!

And I also caught Chlamydia there. Two times actually.

Enjoy.

OS.

[QUOTE=Sydpat;2116642]Hi,

Just landed in Jakarta last night as I had come for official purpose. On my badoo but could not get any response or connection, so message my earlier girl and she very much obliged to walk into my room. Had shower and gave such a great BBJ that I just gave all my load to her and she just swallow each drop out of it. Then she relaxed me and once I am hard again she very much oblige to put cover and put it in her pussy. Had a great relaxation time. Gave her 1 million and taxi for 100 K and very much she slip out at night. She immediately recognised my number and agree to come down that was her good quality.

Don't mind to repeat her tonight as I am not in mood to hang out in local bars and fish around as I return back from meeting and dinner late and many time host vehicle drop you right at the hotel, so does not find mood to hang out again. So this in call service direct works really well for me.

Happy to share contact who need her.[/QUOTE]Hello,

I just met her for the second time and I can confirm she likes to please.

She surely is not number one in looks but I think her service is one of the best.

She is smart, talkative and she can be a Good guide as well.

She prefers older men, so 40.

Sometimes ISG is blocked but me and Sydpat both have her WhatsApp.

Greetings, Frits.

[QUOTE=JoelGoodsen;2131366]Yes, makes sense. Dengue coincides with the rainy season, which is now (Nov-April). Once I picked it up in Gili T, ages ago, it was ugly. Very.

Maybe two good things to know about dengue:

1. Mozzies that transmit it, bite during the daytime and especially like the times around dusk and dawn.

2. Dengue is location bound. Don't know if health care / councils are tracking locations in Jakarta?

But last week I was in South Lombok and canceled plans to go Sekotong as it is going around there now.

Awesome photo's BTW. Thanks sir mulus.[/QUOTE]You are correct Dengue is location bound, and there are periodic reports in the local newspapers about at which parts of the city it is prevalent at particular times. Often though those reports do not reach print until they are not so helpful. Fortunately I haven't gotten Dengue although have had my share of mosquito bites over the course of my many visits to Jakarta, including a few at the five-star hotel I usually stay at in Central Jakarta (the General Manager there told me other guests have reported mosquitos there).

Dengue is scary, even more so for those who have already had a bout with it; subsequent bouts become increasingly dangerous to one's health. At one point, I thought it might not be a problem in North Jakarta (where Kota Indah is) based on a number of reports I saw of Dengue in South Jakarta. However, since then I have seen at least one report of Dengue in North Jakarta. Insect repellant helps, but it is not 100 percent, particularly if one doesn't want to mess with DEET-based repellants.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2132054]Oh!

And I also caught Chlamydia there. Two times actually.

Enjoy.

OS.[/QUOTE]Be careful. I hear if you catch that too many times, you become petulant.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2132216]Be careful. I hear if you catch that too many times, you become petulant.[/QUOTE]I am quite amazed that my humble life as OS the punter can attract such attention from the little people. It's a bit like one of those painful facebook post's where they go into the fine detail of their most recent bowel movement. Now to get back on track. Does anybody have any requests for a new destination of which our trusty correspondent might report back from?

You know, you can PM each other, don´t you? So, LA G couldn't you ask OS for his motives by PM before putting him in the pillory?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2132258]You know, you can PM each other, dont you? So, LA G couldn't you ask OS for his motives by PM before putting him in the pillory?[/QUOTE]Agreed. Anyone with any class at all will keep their PMs private.

Getting back on topic, after the earthquake and running down quite a few stairs to get out of the building, I decided I needed a massage. So I opened up wechat and had a massage girl come over this afternoon. (On a side note, I've often wondered if I would notice an earthquake if it hit while I was having sex. Since she arrived about an hour or so after it, I didn't get to find out this time.) She showed up at the door and was a 25 year old who looked quite nice with big tits. I need to speak with the security guys because for some reason they told her I have a lot of girls come to my room. Why they felt the need to tell that to a massage girl is beyond me. It makes me wonder what they tell the girls I see more often.

The massage was absolutely excellent so I was hesitant to even go for sex and considered just telling her to continue with the massage. But I had already told her up front that I would pay for massage and sex, and had her take off her clothes when she first arrived to massage me naked the entire time. So I figured it was a must to end it with sex. She asked if I was ready for "special" and I said yes. As it turned out, that was the right decision. She started out by oiling up her ample tits and rubbing them all over my cock. I have to admit, it was pretty heavenly. Those tits are big and firm, perfect for titty fucking. She then gave me a really nice cock, balls, and ass massage with oil. She has obviously done this before because she was talented. I was hard and ready for action so she climbed on top of me in reverse cowgirl position for the initial penetration. I thought that was pretty awesome since it's quite rare to start out with that as the first position. I reached around from behind and grabbed her tits while she rode me. We stayed in that position for a while because it was loving it. We ended up changing positions a few times, but I couldn't last long since she had done such an expert job with the oil prep prior to sex. Very satisfying massage.

I have to say that sometimes it's good to be in Jakarta. (even with the earthquakes).

[QUOTE=Menteng;2132258]You know, you can PM each other, dont you? So, LA G couldn't you ask OS for his motives by PM before putting him in the pillory?[/QUOTE]He didn't respond to my pm. I gave him some time to do so before posting about this.

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;2132155]Sometimes ISG is blocked but me and Sydpat both have her WhatsApp.[/QUOTE]Some VPN providers, like PureVPN, have now browser extensions. Super convenient to use. No more blocking.

I recently spent 9 days in Jakarta, tried four hotels, went to Illigals, went to Colosseum, etc. , etc.

Quick observations: I have nothing new to add about Illigals, the recent posts about it are roughly accurate. Colosseum is notorious for being full of freelancers; however, when I was there, I didn't get that sense. There were a few freelancers, maybe a handful. Harris Vertu is a very nice hotel, and not too expensive. Grand Indonesia has some gorgeous women. For me, the general look of the girls in Jakarta will merit a return trip. For my tastes, they are on average the most attractive Asian women.

The majority of girls that I choose came from WeChat. Now, WeChat is a scam because the pictures rarely ever match the girl, maybe never. I learned this on my first day in Jakarta. Two times in two attempts, the girls sent to my room didn't match the photos on their ads. This didn't stop me from doing the deed, but it taught me a valuable lesson. My strategy for success was as follow: 1. Let the pimp know that I was aware that I was talking to a middleman. 2. Let the pimp know that I wanted pretty, young, thin girls, and then ask for pictures of the girls that were available at the moment. 3. Finally, let the pimp know that I would send away a girl who didn't match the photo. The above strategy worked and turned WeChat into a source of excitement.

On WeChat, there are ads for massage++ and "traditional massage". All massage++ girls are offering sex, and most (but not all) traditional massage girls will provide sex too. I didn't find one massage++ girl who could give a massage. On the other hand, the traditional girls do give massages. The prices quoted by the massage++ pimps range from 800 ribu to 1,5 juta. It's never necessary to pay 1,5 juta as 1 juta will suffice. The price quoted by the traditional massage ads was consistently 300 ribu for 90 minutes. With the traditional girls, the negotiation for extras is one-on-one in the room, and they typically wanted 1 juta. 1 juta seemed like a strong anchor. Instead of negotiating down from 1 juta, I simply asked for two pops for that price. Negotiating for two pops always worked with both the pimps and the traditional girls. Of course, the pimps have even more reason to accept this offer because their body isn't being used to provide the service.

Note: Even though WeChat ads are overwhelmingly managed by pimps, one of my favorite providers was a freelancer who made the first move and initiated contact with me via WeChat.

WeChat and Tinder also have some girls that are indirect about their intentions as freelancers or who are running some sort of more complicated romance scams. For instance, there is a scam involving a girl who lives far away from the city center, and who wants some exorbitant "taxi money" to come on a date. I didn't get the sense that there were many authentic romances available via WeChat / Tinder. It's definitely caveat emptor. And my next trip, I'll invest more time in IndonesianCupid to try to get access to some of the lovely girls that are so common at Grand Indonesia and in the SCBD.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2131705]EP is a great place. Even if you go during the week just for a drink and food it's pretty good. Grand Kameng hotel across the road is good too.[/QUOTE]Good food. And tonight is Friday night. From 5 till 6 pm on Friday nights they have FREE beer. Yes, that's right, free. However, if anyone in the bar uses the restroom during that hour, they shut it down at that point. So use the restroom before coming to EP then drink for free for an hour.

[QUOTE=KConstant;2133474]

Quick observations: I have nothing new to add about Illigals, the recent posts about it are roughly accurate. Colosseum is notorious for being full of freelancers; however, when I was there, I didn't get that sense. There were a few freelancers, maybe a handful. Harris Vertu is a very nice hotel, and not too expensive. Grand Indonesia has some gorgeous women. For me, the general look of the girls in Jakarta will merit a return trip. For my tastes, they are on average the most attractive Asian women.

WeChat and Tinder also have some girls that are indirect about their intentions as freelancers or who are running some sort of more complicated romance scams. For instance, there is a scam involving a girl who lives far away from the city center, and who wants some exorbitant "taxi money" to come on a date. I didn't get the sense that there were many authentic romances available via WeChat / Tinder. It's definitely caveat emptor. And my next trip, I'll invest more time in IndonesianCupid to try to get access to some of the lovely girls that are so common at Grand Indonesia and in the SCBD.[/QUOTE]All pretty accurate except these 2 points IMHO.

Colosseum full of freelancers? Nope. Not at all. Most girls that go there come in groups and are kept a close eye on, the chance to get to them directly is slim to none unless you know some of the guys in the group. The second type of girl that goes there works for the club as "LC" (Lady Companion). You can book them, but that's a different ballgame and very costly, even more so than CJ's girls for take-out. What you could do is book them as "LC" to accompany you for the night, get their number and meet them outside of work, which reduces the price quite a bit but she must like you. All girls that work there live in the mess right behind the club (left side of the parking area, next to the minimart).

Obviously this is a matter of taste, but I think quality of girls is much higher at Plaza Indonesia, Plaza Senayan and Senayan City. Want an ever higher quality? Go for a night out to Monty's, Savoi or Leon in Senopati / Wijaya. If you have game try the Mulia hotel for Sunday Brunch or during / right after a wedding. Pacific Place right after a Ritz-Carlton wedding is usually good as well with quite a few dropping by at Cork & Screw or Chambers for after drinks.

Then again, if you like the type of girls at Grand Indonesia the above information is probably not of use for you. In that case I would recommend Basque in Mega Kuningan, that's like shooting fish in a barrel there these days, and those are "real" freelancers.

Boobs are back!

At least they were at the striptease at 36 a few days ago, not full nude yet and the security is paranoid2 about anyone even touching his phone. Need to investigate if others are following suit.

I was in "B-Fashion" Karaoke next to Taman Anggrek last weekend, got lucky with getting a room (last minute thing) and the line-up at midnight was shit. Since we already ordered alcohol we figured we'd just as well pick out some girls to accompany, and we literally did a spin the bottle as to who got picked. In the end did have a good time with all girls going topless in the room allowing some play, blowjobs in the room and 2 guys doing a chick in the adjacent toilet for a 500 k additional tip. We suspect that a few of the girls had some chemical "candy" before joining us, as they were really, really wild.

When it came time to pay the bill, we all remember being told that each girl was 1 voucher at 1. 2 jt for accompanying, and 5 vouchers (eg 6 jt) for "booking out", yet the bill said only 600 k per girl. We quickly paid and left, never really sure on what the actual prices were. Was it just the papi trying to rip us off but failed to communicate it properly to the cashier, was it a miss-communication and was that 1. 2 jt including the "voluntary" tip, or was it a discount because the papi got a quick peck on one of the guys in the room (don't ask)? We'll probably never know.

Similar to Colosseum, the girls live in a mess close-by, but not all of them do. One guy hit it off with his girl and we waited for her at the entrance so he could bring her home. She did actually show up and they left together, it was another 1jt for her for the rest of the night, but arranged outside of the venue.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2133516]Boobs are back!

At least they were at the striptease at 36 a few days ago, not full nude yet and the security is paranoid2 about anyone even touching his phone. Need to investigate if others are following suit.[/QUOTE]Topless at Hotel Classic Bunker last night as well. But not bottomless.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2133488]Good food. And tonight is Friday night. From 5 till 6 pm on Friday nights they have FREE beer. [/QUOTE]How were the women early on a Friday night? I would plan to come to Eastern Promise in April on Friday evening between say 5 to 9 pm. Then off to CJ's.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2133488]Good food. And tonight is Friday night. From 5 till 6 pm on Friday nights they have FREE beer. Yes, that's right, free. However, if anyone in the bar uses the restroom during that hour, they shut it down at that point. So use the restroom before coming to EP then drink for free for an hour.[/QUOTE]The Pressure hour is a long established tradition at EP. Enjoy it as long as you can!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2131721]I have not had this same experience. Are you talking about the Tinder girls who are sent by pimps? Those girls get 300 k and the pimp gets whatever you agree to above that amount. Those type of girls will accept 600 k, but I haven't found any who will take as little as 600 k when the girl herself is the one putting the tinder ad up. They want at least 700 and mostly 800, some want 1 million or even more. I am curious if you are negotiating this amount before the girl arrives or are you just handing them that much on the way out with no negotiations involved?

Then there are the "freebies" who don't want any money at all, but those are the worst because they end up being a huge pain in the ass. I'd prefer to keep it a business transaction.[/QUOTE]I don't swipe those who have "BO" on their profiles, because as you say they start the bidding at 1 million (or even as high as 3 million, as I mentioned). I swipe on the attractive twenty-somethings who have somewhat revealing clothes on in the pics, actually I swipe on all the attractive twenty-somethings but generally you can judge what's what from the profile.

Anyway, so a cute 23-yo replies to a substantially older bloke who has made it plain in his profile that he is not interested in serious relationships, I know we aren't talking about novices getting ready to enter convent life. But they want to keep up the facade that they are good girls, so not long into the conversation they will let it slip that momma / little brother / grandpa / whatever is sick and they really could do with some financial help, oh dear I reply, I would love to help, but I have only got half a million or so to spare at the moment, would that do? We take it from there and we get the deal done for maybe 600 or 700.

Slightly time-consuming I grant you, but that suits me as I usually like to plan my entertainment in advance and have all my ducks in a row for the day in question.

As to pimps on Tinder, I have never encountered them at all. Oh, and in reply to an earlier poster, believe it or not some of the massage therapists are genuinely just massage only, if they say "traditional massage" usually that's a rub-only deal (not sure about a tug).

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2133728]How were the women early on a Friday night? I would plan to come to Eastern Promise in April on Friday evening between say 5 to 9 pm. Then off to CJ's.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]By 10 pm on Friday I saw a dozen or so well-dressed and made up women who I would put in the age range 30-40, they walked around the joint, going in and out, being greeted by customers and staff, giving the eye to guys (like me) whom they had not previously met. Now like I say I had previously thought these women were wives of Aussie oilies, in EP for a night out, but given the fact that they appear to be there every Friday night and they don't seem to be attached to any particular bloke I assume they are freelancers.

Some are attractive in a Sarah Palin MILF kind of way, but a few of them do look like Falatehan re-treads, there were a few other younger girls who did seem to be attached to specific blokes so until I see them regularly I can't say what their status is.

This was purely planned as sexcapade. I holed up in Aryadutta for 4 nights and this is what I did.

1) I went to CJ's on Wednesday night. This is more of place where the cougars are on the prowl, at least on the ladies night. There were only a handful below 25 and some seemed old enough to be my grandma. Quite a big place and I liked the secluded bar on the other side from the live band. Lot of eye contacts and few approaches, I settled with one who claimed she needed to go to school next morning. She was young and wonderful, must be in early twenties or late teen. 2 Million asked and settled for 1. 8 M. Bit of bad breath but got my two shots. If you are interested in mature ladies, you can try this place. Young ones are available but fewer in number.

2) I went to Bats on Thursday night. May be not a good idea but I wanted to visit clubs on weekend. I settled for short and bit stout lady, around 30 years with terrific tits and ass. Got out at around 10:30. Yes, even before it all began. 3 shots including anal. 1.5 Million. The lady was out by 1 am. Bargain buy.

3) Went to classic on Friday. I liked the girls who danced at level 2. Got them a few drinks and one was very interested. Got her number, texted her but nothing worked out in end. Apart from that I did screw a couple in level 2 at 375 k. One gave me a very good CBJ. Didn't bother asking for bbj. I like classic purely because I liked watching them dance. Not much of a GFE guy. The shags were good given I don't even bother kissing them or sucking tities. More of handsy guy and I just let them play. Whatever they do, they are bargain buy for 375 k. Drinks for 400 k. Shag for 750 k. Went to dragonfly club on later that night. I didn't notice too many WG's on a Friday night. May be because of cover charge. Decent music but the place is not as posh as in the reviews. Decent crowd but by no means trendy. Again couple of cougars were very interested. I returned alone to hotel.

4) Went to malio spa on Saturday afternoon. Got a decent massage girl, 400 k massage and 200 k tip and after the session asked if I can book her for night. She asked me to negotiate with mamasan. The price quoted was 2 Million from 5 pm to 10 am next morning. But wasn't really serious. Moreover I had planned to go to club later that evening. The club had great dancers and my kinda of place. They are all over you if you buy some drinks. I lost count of how many girls I was with. 2. 2 Million for the night.

5) In the afternoons or morning, I got two non++ massages. Picked them from Wechat but again as mentioned might as well been dealing with pimps. Again different girls turned up than the one I chose. Took the massages as they were cheap and ladies, in mid 30's, were decent. I sent back the girl I requested for shag. In fact for the shag session booked through wechat, a shemale turned up in my room. Quite embarrassing moment.

6) Tinder too worked but I didn't indulge after the shemale incident.

Overall a decent experience but I regret going to CJs and BATS a little bit. Should have been to classic or malio.

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;2132155]Hello,

I just met her for the second time and I can confirm she likes to please.

She surely is not number one in looks but I think her service is one of the best.

She is smart, talkative and she can be a Good guide as well.

She prefers older men, so 40.

Sometimes ISG is blocked but me and Sydpat both have her WhatsApp.

Greetings, Frits.[/QUOTE]Hello,

Met her again today. She told me she still needs some extra cash that her daytime job cannot give her.

She prefers men above 40. She is not like a professional hooker more like a bit overweight but ready to please neighbour. She is surely one of the most talkative ladies I ever met. She will only stop talking when she takes care of your tool. She can do that very well.

Just connect to her before just before arrival or when you are already in Jakarta.

Greetings, Frits.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2134702]1) I went to CJ's on Wednesday night. This is more of place where the cougars are on the prowl, at least on the ladies night. [/QUOTE]These cougars are freebies, right?

Staying in my hotel after my horrible experience at Hotel Classic (#12156), I was in two minds whether to go back at the peak 2100 hrs to Classic with lessons learnt or try Malio club instead. After re-reading Ryo's post I decided it will be best if I don't fall into sunk cost fallacy and instead should try Malio. Reached outside the Malio around 2130 hrs. I tried to directly enter without going through the metal detector. The security guard politely said to come through the metal detector, I didn't have any problem with that as I was carrying nothing dangerous other than my dick. Once entered I was directed to reception and given a band and said the minimum expenditure should be 150k IDR. I said ok, and I walked into the Malio maze. I don't know where I went but I ended up somewhere which seemed to like a restaurant, walked out of there ASAP.

While roaming around, I saw three sexy ladies dressed in one pieces and asked one of them who was wearing a tight fitting red dress where the Malio Club was. She told me to follow her for Malio Club. I would have followed that chick even to the Mars. Well we went into the elevator and reached what I am guessing as the second level of the building to the balcony of the Club. From the parapet I looked down, I saw group of girls (maybe 6) dancing on a square stage, finally I reached the right place.

Went down and sat at the stool just infront of the stage. A mamasan or a waiter-in-chief approached me as she guessed its my first time there. She showed me menu on a tablet and from it I ordered some cocktail. From then I enjoyed my drink alone. Nobody approached me nor did I. After sometime a lady sat next to me. I began talking to her. And offered her a lady drink. Called the waiter and said him to give her a lady drink, he told me you cannot give here a lady drink but you can take her to room for 1.2 million. After hearing a million I tuned out and lost interest as the girl was not that attractive. I still told him to bring a beer for her so that I can chat with her a little more. She tried to convince me during the talk for "chici chici"boom boom" but I politely told that I just want to relax. In the meantime I saw next to me an old japanese wearing a Malio bathrobe getting a lapdance. Well this what I came for. I called the waiter, and pointed him to the stripper grinding that grandpa and said that will be my next order.

Waiter went away to find dancers and after some time two dancers approached me. One of them was clearly not interested just after looking at me. And she excused herself from this situation. But one of the two stayed. She introduced herself and asked for drinks. I said two drinks to the waiter but she insisted three. Well I succumbed to the demand this time and many more times later that night to detriment of my wallet After getting the drinks she started her work. While grinding I was keeping my hands on her waist, she told me that she just got a tattoo and not to keep my hands on her waist but I can keep it on her boobs. Well I was more than happy to oblige to the request. While all this was happening a new dancer just entered the club. My girl pointed to her and said that girl is her sister. Well, I don't know how their parents raised them but I was not going to show favoritism among the siblings. So I told her to call her sister too. And thus I ended up with two of the sisters on my both sides. The stool in front of the stage was not every comfortable and they said lets go upstairs.

We settled in one those balcony booths. Soon a girl with chinese features came and introduced herself as Jessica. She was cute as a button with long never ending legs. To deviate a little bit, one of the security guys came from the ground floor and stood in front my booth. I don't know what was special about me or my situation that he took such an interest. Pretty sure guys with 3 dancers with a guy are a norm there though that night was a little bit slow. This didn't faze me to enjoy my company, because I didn't travel to Jakarta to show modesty. After some time he did give me thumbs up though. And to cut the long story short, I had a blast with these three girls, spending around 5 drinks for each of the three. I also talked to my waiter at length and figured out somewhat how the club works. At last gave him 50/100 IDR tip and went to the billing section. The expense for the whole night was 1.7 million IDR.

Don't know whether this is less or more but I was happy with Malio after the horrible experience I had at classic. To anybody who will be going to Jakarta for the first time, just remember: "Always bet on Malio".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2135233]These cougars are freebies, right?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Most of them charge upwards of 1.2 million IDR.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2134702]Went to dragonfly club on later that night. I didn't notice too many WG's on a Friday night. May be because of cover charge. Decent music but the place is not as posh as in the reviews. Decent crowd but by no means trendy. Again couple of cougars were very interested. I returned alone to hotel.[/QUOTE]Cougars in Dragon Fly? LOL. You must be pretty damn young to think that. One of my favorite girls who told me she was there just last Wednesday with her friends from high school is only 19 years old, so I know there are young girls in there these days as well. The average aged girl who goes there is in her mid to late 20's or early 30's. In my opinion, those are not cougars. I consider a cougar to be over 40. You won't find many over 40's in Dragon Fly.

Wednesday, Friday and Saturday are the nights for Dragon Fly.

Can someone please advise the name of this establishment?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3tnFuQ-Ur0[/URL]

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2135291]Staying in my hotel after my horrible experience at Hotel Classic (#12156), I was in two minds whether to go back at the peak 2100 hrs to Classic with lessons learnt or try Malio club instead. After re-reading Ryo's post I decided it will be best if I don't fall into sunk cost fallacy and instead should try Malio. Reached outside the Malio around 2130 hrs. I tried to directly enter without going through the metal detector. The security guard politely said to come through the metal detector, I didn't have any problem with that as I was carrying nothing dangerous other than my dick. Once entered I was directed to reception and given a band and said the minimum expenditure should be 150k IDR. I said ok, and I walked into the Malio maze. I don't know where I went but I ended up somewhere which seemed to like a restaurant, walked out of there ASAP.

While roaming around, I saw three sexy ladies dressed in one pieces and asked one of them who was wearing a tight fitting red dress where the Malio Club was. She told me to follow her for Malio Club. I would have followed that chick even to the Mars. Well we went into the elevator and reached what I am guessing as the second level of the building to the balcony of the Club. From the parapet I looked down, I saw group of girls (maybe 6) dancing on a square stage, finally I reached the right place.

Went down and sat at the stool just infront of the stage. A mamasan or a waiter-in-chief approached me as she guessed its my first time there. She showed me menu on a tablet and from it I ordered some cocktail. From then I enjoyed my drink alone. Nobody approached me nor did I. After sometime a lady sat next to me. I began talking to her. And offered her a lady drink. Called the waiter and said him to give her a lady drink, he told me you cannot give here a lady drink but you can take her to room for 1.2 million. After hearing a million I tuned out and lost interest as the girl was not that attractive. I still told him to bring a beer for her so that I can chat with her a little more. She tried to convince me during the talk for "chici chici"boom boom" but I politely told that I just want to relax. In the meantime I saw next to me an old japanese wearing a Malio bathrobe getting a lapdance. Well this what I came for. I called the waiter, and pointed him to the stripper grinding that grandpa and said that will be my next order.

Waiter went away to find dancers and after some time two dancers approached me. One of them was clearly not interested just after looking at me. And she excused herself from this situation. But one of the two stayed. She introduced herself and asked for drinks. I said two drinks to the waiter but she insisted three. Well I succumbed to the demand this time and many more times later that night to detriment of my wallet After getting the drinks she started her work. While grinding I was keeping my hands on her waist, she told me that she just got a tattoo and not to keep my hands on her waist but I can keep it on her boobs. Well I was more than happy to oblige to the request. While all this was happening a new dancer just entered the club. My girl pointed to her and said that girl is her sister. Well, I don't know how their parents raised them but I was not going to show favoritism among the siblings. So I told her to call her sister too. And thus I ended up with two of the sisters on my both sides. The stool in front of the stage was not every comfortable and they said lets go upstairs.

We settled in one those balcony booths. Soon a girl with chinese features came and introduced herself as Jessica. She was cute as a button with long never ending legs. To deviate a little bit, one of the security guys came from the ground floor and stood in front my booth. I don't know what was special about me or my situation that he took such an interest. Pretty sure guys with 3 dancers with a guy are a norm there though that night was a little bit slow. This didn't faze me to enjoy my company, because I didn't travel to Jakarta to show modesty. After some time he did give me thumbs up though. And to cut the long story short, I had a blast with these three girls, spending around 5 drinks for each of the three. I also talked to my waiter at length and figured out somewhat how the club works. At last gave him 50/100 IDR tip and went to the billing section. The expense for the whole night was 1.7 million IDR.

Don't know whether this is less or more but I was happy with Malio after the horrible experience I had at classic. To anybody who will be going to Jakarta for the first time, just remember: "Always bet on Malio".[/QUOTE]Hey don't get me wrong. Its your money but. Yes you had a great time but was there more than just a lap dance and some slap and tickle?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2135233]These cougars are freebies, right?[/QUOTE]I don't think they are really cougars. He may be referring to the girls in their mid to late 20's and early to even late 30's. Many of them are still sexy. No doubt the girls in CJs are older than at the brothels in North Jakarta. Then again, the girls in CJs can speak English and will stick their tongue up your ass and screw your brains out (the older girls will, the younger ones may not). The young girls at Hotel Classic are starfish. There are also some young girls at CJs (admittedly not many), and they will also provide better service than at Hotel Classic.

And they do want money.

Personally, I prefer young 20 year olds, so I don't take the CJs girls home often. But I can speak Indonesian so I don't care if the girls can speak English. There is a definite market for the CJs girls. Mostly tourists who can't speak any Indonesian. However, I take the CJs girls on occasion too. I think they are good fun. But I wouldn't call them "cougars". I consider a cougar to be over 40 years old. They call cougars "tante girang" in Indonesia. And if you are a young, good looking guy, the cougar will pay you, you don't pay the cougar. A cougar would have zero interest in me, I am too old for them. So considering that basically every girl in CJs will want to go home with me, that right there disqualifies them as cougars. LOL.

This is a recent photo inside CJs. I'm curious if you any of you guys consider these to be cougars?

The girls in the photo are certainly not cougars IMO unless one is an adolescent. Late 20's maybe 30 something I guess. Very doable, especially the busty one on the left. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2135520]I don't think they are really cougars. [/QUOTE]

Maybe the one on the left is approaching my upper limit, though she is the type of package I prefer.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2135520]This is a recent photo inside CJs. I'm curious if you any of you guys consider these to be cougars?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoaxK;2135463]Can someone please advise the name of this establishment?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3tnFuQ-Ur0[/URL][/QUOTE]It is 1001 executive club.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2135520]I don't think they are really cougars. He may be referring to the girls in their mid to late 20's and early to even late 30's. Many of them are still sexy. No doubt the girls in CJs are older than at the brothels in North Jakarta. Then again, the girls in CJs can speak English and will stick their tongue up your ass and screw your brains out (the older girls will, the younger ones may not). The young girls at Hotel Classic are starfish. There are also some young girls at CJs (admittedly not many), and they will also provide better service than at Hotel Classic.

And they do want money.

Personally, I prefer young 20 year olds, so I don't take the CJs girls home often. But I can speak Indonesian so I don't care if the girls can speak English. There is a definite market for the CJs girls. Mostly tourists who can't speak any Indonesian. However, I take the CJs girls on occasion too. I think they are good fun. But I wouldn't call them "cougars". I consider a cougar to be over 40 years old. They call cougars "tante girang" in Indonesia. And if you are a young, good looking guy, the cougar will pay you, you don't pay the cougar. A cougar would have zero interest in me, I am too old for them. So considering that basically every girl in CJs will want to go home with me, that right there disqualifies them as cougars. LOL.

This is a recent photo inside CJs. I'm curious if you any of you guys consider these to be cougars?[/QUOTE]In my last visit to Jakarta in 2015 I did not visit CJs but if these are a representative sample of the fare there and they give good service I will place it on my to do list in my visit to Jakarta next year. Although I was not impressed by the service at Classic I will include it for my cheap thrills. Its been many years since I last did a cougar, who I agree is a woman over 40, and am not averse to doing one but have no intention of paying for the privilege. I have never done an Asian cougar and should put that on my bucket list. The closest was a 37 year old Thai.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2135520]This is a recent photo inside CJs. I'm curious if you any of you guys consider these to be cougars?[/QUOTE]The photo is not sharp enough and the lighting is not that great. But Smoothy, what did the lady of the left say was her age?

[QUOTE=Wimble;2135706]The photo is not sharp enough and the lighting is not that great. But Smoothy, what did the lady of the left say was her age?[/QUOTE]I don't know. I've never been with her. They were friends of the girl I was with that night. If I had to guess, I'd say the one on the left is early 30's and the one on the right is 23 or 24.

Agreed. Though I would say the one on the left could be as high as mid 40's. If the girl keeps in shape, it gets harder to tell when they are over 27. Especially from a picture. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2136002]I don't know. I've never been with her. They were friends of the girl I was with that night. If I had to guess, I'd say the one on the left is early 30's and the one on the right is 23 or 24.[/QUOTE]

Hello all!

My first time in Indonesia. Super excited to be here! Have been RTFF for almost a month now & thanks to all you legendary folks, I now have a fair idea on how to spend my next 2 days here. Staying put in Shangri-la hotel for the next 2 days before heading out to Bali & hoping BATS won't disappoint me tonight. Not sure how action packed is BATS on a Saturday night but hoping to score high!

Booked a double occupancy & hoping there won't be any issues bringing the lady to my room. Should I be checking in my guest or just walk her to the room directly? Planning to buy some Vitamins for tonight's action. Would appreciate if someone could point me to a pharmacy nearby.

FRs from tonight's action to follow soon!

Cheers!

TLL.

Hello,

I plan on visiting Malaysia and Indonesia this May and was wondering if foot fetishes are mostly accepted (known about) in Indonesia by providers? Any experiences or recommendations would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheLongLoop;2136567]Hello all!

My first time in Indonesia. Super excited to be here! Have been RTFF for almost a month now & thanks to all you legendary folks, I now have a fair idea on how to spend my next 2 days here. Staying put in Shangri-la hotel for the next 2 days before heading out to Bali & hoping BATS won't disappoint me tonight. Not sure how action packed is BATS on a Saturday night but hoping to score high!

TLL.[/QUOTE]Your post reminds me of my first night at BATS back in August 2014 when I was working on Java. You'll get better with time as I did.

I always enjoyed getting there around 10 pm and getting a seat at the bar near the entrance. That way I could observe the ladies when they arrived.

Tastes differ, but in the dozen or so times I was there in 2014. There were always a large handful of ladies that appealed to me. Good Luck in that.

Interestingly, I am staying at the Shangri-La one night in April when I arrive and the last Friday night when I leave in May. I am curious to see how you will like it being at the hotel rather than staying elsewhere, which is what I did when working, because the Shangri-La was out of my price range at the time.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Damone123;2136656]Hello,

I plan on visiting Malaysia and Indonesia this May and was wondering if foot fetishes are mostly accepted (known about) in Indonesia by providers? Any experiences or recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]The foot is regarded as impure / furthest away from God in Indonesian (and many other asian) societies.

Providers are available but you will be limited to girls with a lot of experience with foreign fetishes rather than cheap local establishments. Try the expat bars or what's left of Blok M and be prepared to ask a few girls before you find someone who will deliver. Definitely settle terms BEFORE leaving the bar otherwise you will likely have a non performer when you arrive back in the room.

Enjoy.

All set to explore offerings at BATS, went to Grand Indonesia mall for Vitamins & currency exchange. 13300 IDR per $ was the rate offered which was better than 13,035 being offered at the Shangri-La hotel. Next stop Guardian pharmacy. Cialis & Viagra was easy to purchase, no questions asked. 643 k for a pack of 4 pills works out twice what I normally pay back home.

Loaded with ammunition for the night, I head back to the hotel & then to BATS. Nothing interesting at 10 PM, I settle down just behind the bar area with a a ridiculously expensive jack & coke (192 k) As someone earlier pointed out, the place has a high concentration of cougars & those are the ones to approach you first. A couple of them tried their best to convince me how good they are in bed LOL. A little chat later they leave me alone. Some good numbers being played by the band, I wait for that elusive younger one. Earlier, while I was heading out to the mall I did see some interesting ones going away with a few bules. Guess last night's action started early & I missed out. A couple of Jack & cokes, I notice 2 ones at the bar & I eventually zero in on my hunt. Some pleasantries exchanged & I ask her what's she's doing later in the night, she straightaway quotes 6 mil to come with me! A few negotiations later she's ready for 2 mil. Grabs my arm & off we go to my room. The usual chat about, work & what brings me to Jakarta. Says she's a beautician staying with a friend in Jakarta. She liked the hotel room. A few minutes later off she goes to the shower. All the while I sensed she had one too many drinks. I come back from the shower & she's fast asleep! Hello! Kept saying sorry that she drank too much. Round one wasn't disappointing, but nothing interesting either. Super drink & barely awake, she keeps saying sorry for her state. Big turn off, I just couldn't think of round 2 , was tempted to send her away & head out to CJ's. I eventually did send her away but was too tired to go to CJs after a long flight the same day. Hoping to explore CJs & Malio today.

Cheers!

TLL.

[QUOTE=TheLongLoop;2136567]Hello all!

My first time in Indonesia. Super excited to be here! Have been RTFF for almost a month now & thanks to all you legendary folks, I now have a fair idea on how to spend my next 2 days here. Staying put in Shangri-la hotel for the next 2 days before heading out to Bali & hoping BATS won't disappoint me tonight. Not sure how action packed is BATS on a Saturday night but hoping to score high!

Booked a double occupancy & hoping there won't be any issues bringing the lady to my room. Should I be checking in my guest or just walk her to the room directly? Planning to buy some Vitamins for tonight's action. Would appreciate if someone could point me to a pharmacy nearby.

FRs from tonight's action to follow soon!

Cheers!

TLL.[/QUOTE]Hi Dear, Shangri La is totally girl friendly, you can take girls without any hassle. You can take even two girls same time, no question asked. I did it multiple times and even twice Brought girls from outside clubs, no hassle. Enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=TheLongLoop;2136871]
Loaded with ammunition for the night, I head back to the hotel & then to BATS. Nothing interesting at 10 PM. Guess last night's action started early & I missed out.[/QUOTE]For sure you did not miss out on any girls if you showed up at 10 pm. There is no talent there by 10pm. On a Saturday night, often the best girls won't even show up until midnight.

Did you get any photos of the girl?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2136839]The foot is regarded as impure / furthest away from God in Indonesian (and many other asian) societies.[/QUOTE]That's odd. I have had some Indonesian girls in the massage places suck my toes and lick my feet. And a few free lancers as well.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2136967]Hi Dear, Shangri La is totally girl friendly, you can take girls without any hassle. You can take even two girls same time, no question asked. I did it multiple times and even twice Brought girls from outside clubs, no hassle. Enjoy your trip.[/QUOTE]Yes Melman, it is GF. No questions asked. Interestingly while checking in, the bell boy suggested me to check-out BATS if I wanted to have some fun in Jakarta.

Cheers!

TLL.

LOL! One of my Indo regulars would have me sit on the bed against the backboard, while she rides me and sucks my toes. Great view! And allows me to rest.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2137076]That's odd. I have had some Indonesian girls in the massage places suck my toes and lick my feet. And a few free lancers as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2137073]For sure you did not miss out on any girls if you showed up at 10 pm. There is no talent there by 10pm. On a Saturday night, often the best girls won't even show up until midnight.

Did you get any photos of the girl?[/QUOTE]Agree. I did notice many girls walk-in past midnight. Is the scene pretty much the same in CJs? The one I took goes by the name Ria, petite & super energetic. Forgot to ask her friend's name though. This is the only pic I managed to shoot. The state she was in I could have taken many but just didn't know if she would allow, considering she's not a pro, or so I assume.

[QUOTE=Damone123;2136656]Hello,

I plan on visiting Malaysia and Indonesia this May and was wondering if foot fetishes are mostly accepted (known about) in Indonesia by providers? Any experiences or recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]My experience is that most girls will be happy to let you have your way with their feet. However, some may be ticklish and with those you have to take it very slowly, start with lightly licking their toes, they will giggle uncontrollably at first but with time they will get accustomed to it and succumb, some will take longer than others. Then there are those who will not like it at all and will continually push you away from their feet. It is hit or miss. I don't ask for foot fetish, I just get into it once in the room and experience the aforementioned reactions. You may ask for it in advance if you wish. If what you want is your feet spoilt then you can consider Smoothy's experience.

A couple of months ago on my way out of Jakarta I had made a reservation at one of the airport hotels. At the Spa reception I tried to avoid the expensive package and asked for a normal massage and an English speaking girl.

Got a girl of pleasant looks, she ain't the prettiest but she is super cool chick. She wore no bra! Seems that she hails from Jakarta and had previously worked at Hotel Olympic. And I had the impression I was her first foreigner. For the massage I opted for her the shiatsu which I enjoyed very much. She really does give a decent massage and not try to just rush through it.

The massage was quite good but she had left the bra and pants on. As usual she asked the question "What else would you like? I replied everything to which she replied "How much will you give me?" Anyway we enjoyed ourselves for quite a while; I would try the Spa, but ask for a different girl next time, to get a more experienced wilder girl.

[QUOTE=TheLongLoop;2137109]Agree. I did notice many girls walk-in past midnight. Is the scene pretty much the same in CJs? The one I took goes by the name Ria, petite & super energetic. Forgot to ask her friend's name though. This is the only pic I managed to shoot. The state she was in I could have taken many but just didn't know if she would allow, considering she's not a pro, or so I assume.[/QUOTE]Cool. Looks like you got her to iron your clothes too! Good work.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2137087]LOL! One of my Indo regulars would have me sit on the bed against the backboard, while she rides me and sucks my toes.[/QUOTE]I love it when they do that!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2135357]Cougars in Dragon Fly? LOL. You must be pretty damn young to think that. One of my favorite girls who told me she was there just last Wednesday with her friends from high school is only 19 years old, so I know there are young girls in there these days as well. The average aged girl who goes there is in her mid to late 20's or early 30's. In my opinion, those are not cougars. I consider a cougar to be over 40. You won't find many over 40's in Dragon Fly.

Wednesday, Friday and Saturday are the nights for Dragon Fly.[/QUOTE]I did see three of them at Dragonfly that night and they were the only ones, out of say 50 women, who I would regard as cougar. They were definitely in 40's and they definitely looked odd. They just tried hard to cover their age and hence had a lot of makeup and tight ass pants. I am 31 BTW.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2136030]Agreed. Though I would say the one on the left could be as high as mid 40's. If the girl keeps in shape, it gets harder to tell when they are over 27. Especially from a picture. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]I think its more on me to clear the air about the cougar comment. IMHO, some of the ladies that I met on ladies night at CJ's were far older than the oldest one. Left - in pic. Few of ladies. Say 15% were apparently over 45. The majority - 60% - were around 35 but they tried so hard to look younger with their makeup and attire they actually ended up looking older. 15% were OK. 10% were young. What do you guys think of Ms Jennifer astonish?

I actually felt bad about it the first time because I was worried when was the last time I clipped my toe nails. My feet were washed properly before because it is part of my routine! LOL! She started doing it because I would run out of steam. She would quietly and gently guide me into various positions that allowed me to rest while she did the work.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2137420]I love it when they do that![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2137779]I think its more on me to clear the air about the cougar comment. IMHO, some of the ladies that I met on ladies night at CJ's were far older than the oldest one. Left - in pic. Few of ladies. Say 15% were apparently over 45. The majority - 60% - were around 35 but they tried so hard to look younger with their makeup and attire they actually ended up looking older. 15% were OK. 10% were young. What do you guys think of Ms Jennifer astonish?[/QUOTE]I was in the queue at the entrance at CJs or BATS (never remember which is which) about 3 years ago and there was a young girl in her early 20's behind me. She was well dressed and certainly didn't seem to be a regular, so I did mention to her that if she was a hotel guest she could jump the queue but I didn't think it was really the nightclub for her, as lot's of old sad married men inside.

She replied politely in a strong Manado accent that she wasn't a hotel guest whilst furiously texting somebody on her mobile phone (as kids do these days). She then received a call and it was clear she was speaking to her friend who was inside the club, asking to borrow money.

The hilarious part was her friend inside was called "Oma". So I waited at the entrance and sure enough this lady comes outside the club to talk to her young friend at the entrance. And yes you've guessed it. It was her grandaughter! So she scolds her granddaughter - "you shouldn't come to borrow money from me at my workplace! And sends her packing with 50 k for a taxi.

I spent the rest of the night in the club getting drunk on gin and avoiding all the old hags with their saggy tits.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2137892]I was in the queue at the entrance at CJs or BATS (never remember which is which) about 3 years ago and there was a young girl in her early 20's behind me. She was well dressed and certainly didn't seem to be a regular, so I did mention to her that if she was a hotel guest she could jump the queue but I didn't think it was really the nightclub for her, as lot's of old sad married men inside.

She replied politely in a strong Manado accent that she wasn't a hotel guest whilst furiously texting somebody on her mobile phone (as kids do these days). She then received a call and it was clear she was speaking to her friend who was inside the club, asking to borrow money.

The hilarious part was her friend inside was called "Oma". So I waited at the entrance and sure enough this lady comes outside the club to talk to her young friend at the entrance. And yes you've guessed it. It was her grandaughter! So she scolds her granddaughter - "you shouldn't come to borrow money from me at my workplace! And sends her packing with 50 k for a taxi.

I spent the rest of the night in the club getting drunk on gin and avoiding all the old hags with their saggy tits.
[/QUOTE]So we are supposed to be of the impression that only saggy titty grandmas go to BATS? Haha.

In truth, the young working girls don't care that the guys are old. (Yes, if the girl was from Manado, she wasn't likely a working girl. Although you say her Grandma was a working girl, so perhaps she was as well.) The only thing the working girls care about is if you have money. Hell, those girls WANT older guys. Those are the guys with the cash. Admittedly, the older girls outnumber the hotties there due to the reason I am about to discuss (I believe).

The problem younger girls have in BATS is they normally cannot speak English, so they need to find a guy who either doesn't care about communicating verbally or who can speak Bahasa Indonesian. The majority of guys in there either can't speak any Indonesian or they are married and have no place to take a girl without paying for a hotel room.

Not too long ago, I recommended BATS to an 18 year old stunner who couldn't speak a word of English. I was out of town that night or I would have loved to have taken her home myself. She had worked as a dancer at one of the popular brothels in North Jakarta, but had recently quit and was in between work. This girl is one of the hottest girls I have ever met in Indonesia. 5 foot 6, great firm boobs, slim, pretty face, beautiful smooth young skin, long hair. Truly stunning. She went to BATS looking great and sent me a photo of what she looked like that night. I figured she'd be scooped up within 5 minutes. However, I was shocked when she didn't even get a customer for the night and went home alone. How the hell a young stunner like that doesn't get picked up is beyond me. Admittedly, she is a shy girl and a guy would have to approach her first. I would have been all over her two seconds after spotting her. Turns out she did talk to a few guys, but they lost interest when they couldn't communicate. (She literally speaks zero English). Sadly, I actually think the older scrags who can speak fluent English have the advantage there. Coincidentally, a friend of mine was visiting Indonesia for a week and he was there that night, so I recommended her to him via text when I found out he was in BATS. He did talk with her for a few minutes but decided the lack of communication was too big an obstacle and he went home alone as well. His loss. (he ended up taking her home a few nights later when I was back in town to facilitate the conversation and he fell in love with her and kept her the rest of the week).

There is a tall, big titty 19 year old from Sumatra who goes to BATS almost every Thursday who I have wanted to take home for months now. I just haven't had the opportunity. Hot hot hot.

So that people don't think there are only older girls, there are some young girls in BATS. They are girls who can normally speak at least some English. They may not be in the majority, but they do exist. This is the last girl I took home who I met inside BATS. Awesome girl! If I remember correctly, her name was Ina. Or maybe it was Oma? I forget.

This Friday night at CJ's. 10 pm – around 10 WGs. By 11 pm – I'd say, more than 25. Some were young, some were in their 30-ies.

Rejected approach of a young (but not so cute) looking girl, but surrendered to a girl who in her late 20-ies but with a very nice smile and good English. We flirted a while, had some beer together, listened the band. When it became too noisy, I suggested going out.

Deal was 100 USD, 3 hrs, as many shots as I could. She could not stay until morning that night, but said Saturday night could be all mine.

Great body (petite but with proportionally big breast and firm ass), good techniques. But what was the best – absolute 100% GFE.

Too bad I had a flight on Saturday afternoon (otherwise I would definitely repeat with her). Got her phone number. And hope she is available when I happen to be in Jakarta again.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2137779]I think its more on me to clear the air about the cougar comment. IMHO, some of the ladies that I met on ladies night at CJ's were far older than the oldest one. Left - in pic. Few of ladies. Say 15% were apparently over 45. The majority - 60% - were around 35 but they tried so hard to look younger with their makeup and attire they actually ended up looking older. 15% were OK. 10% were young. What do you guys think of Ms Jennifer astonish?[/QUOTE]Cougar par excellence.

[QUOTE=Harv78;2138219]This Friday night at CJ's. 10 pm around 10 WGs. By 11 pm I'd say, more than 25. Some were young, some were in their 30-ies.

Rejected approach of a young (but not so cute) looking girl, but surrendered to a girl who in her late 20-ies but with a very nice smile and good English. We flirted a while, had some beer together, listened the band. When it became too noisy, I suggested going out.

Deal was 100 USD, 3 hrs, as many shots as I could. She could not stay until morning that night, but said Saturday night could be all mine.

Great body (petite but with proportionally big breast and firm ass), good techniques. But what was the best absolute 100% GFE.

Too bad I had a flight on Saturday afternoon (otherwise I would definitely repeat with her). Got her phone number. And hope she is available when I happen to be in Jakarta again.[/QUOTE]Is this standard price for ST. Well 3 hrs. Or is this under? I was under the assumption and by my reading that at CJ's and BATS they wanted much more. Like 1. 5 to 2 mill? Or even higher? Or are you just a shrewd negotiator?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2138398]Is this standard price for ST. Well 3 hrs. Or is this under? I was under the assumption and by my reading that at CJ's and BATS they wanted much more. Like 1. 5 to 2 mill? Or even higher? Or are you just a shrewd negotiator?[/QUOTE]Prices of free lancers have dropped in Jakarta recently. It used to be the hottest girls wanted 2.5 million (which I always thought was crazy). Now, 100 usd is pretty much the price at both BATS and CJs. (about 1.3 million to 1.5 million rupiah).

I'm not sure why it is, but the girls tell me that times are tougher than before.

Tinder and wechat girl prices have also dropped.

Prices in the brothels are still the same, but they were always cheap.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2137779]What do you guys think of Ms Jennifer astonish?[/QUOTE]I didn't see her at CJs. I must not have been there that night. How much was she asking for short time?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2138480]Prices of free lancers have dropped in Jakarta recently. It used to be the hottest girls wanted 2.5 million (which I always thought was crazy). Now, 100 usd is pretty much the price at both BATS and CJs. (about 1.3 million to 1.5 million rupiah).
I'm not sure why it is, but the girls tell me that times are tougher than before.
Tinder and wechat girl prices have also dropped.
Prices in the brothels are still the same, but they were always cheap.[/QUOTE]Great news and thanks Smoothy. So rough guide to Wechat girls please?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2138661]Great news and thanks Smoothy. So rough guide to Wechat girls please?[/QUOTE]Sorry found your post re Wechat girls: "They normally want between 200 and 300 for massage and then extra for extra service. They will end up with between 600 and 800 if sex is included when it's all said and done. ".

I'm bad.

Did Long Loop get sucked up in the excitement there?

Have been waiting for 2+ days to hear his CJ'S report.

When you come up for air, LL, let us know how things went at CJ'S.

SEA Traveler.

Can anyone share in PM some nice tried & tested girls. If She is good conversationist and knows the city well, would be perfect for me.

The drinks is on me for Whoever share such contact.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;2134720]Hello,

Met her again today. She told me she still needs some extra cash that her daytime job cannot give her.

She prefers men above 40. She is not like a professional hooker more like a bit overweight but ready to please neighbour. She is surely one of the most talkative ladies I ever met. She will only stop talking when she takes care of your tool. She can do that very well.

Just connect to her before just before arrival or when you are already in Jakarta.

Greetings, Frits.[/QUOTE]Can you please share her number in PM? Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2138480]Prices of free lancers have dropped in Jakarta recently. It used to be the hottest girls wanted 2.5 million (which I always thought was crazy). Now, 100 usd is pretty much the price at both BATS and CJs. (about 1.3 million to 1.5 million rupiah).[/QUOTE]What's the current rate for the top Malioboro girls?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2138796]What's the current rate for the top Malioboro girls?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I'm a bad one to direct a question about the most expensive girls in a brothel. I can tell you the cheapest there are 420 k. I don't take those expensive chicks at Malioboro. When the mamasan mentions 2 million, I don't even listen to the rest of what she says. For sure, it's 2 million and something. That's why I am not sad about Alexis closing. If I am going to spend that kind of money (which I really don't want anyway), I would want the girl coming home with me rather than for an hour in an upstairs room there at Malioboro.

However, I am sure someone else here does know the answer to that. Perhaps Natty?

Just a confirmation. All of the dancers around town seem to be wearing bikinis now. Not even topless.

Hi,

I will be visiting Jakarta for 5 days and will be staying at Hotel Mercure Chikini. It the hotel girl friendly and also let me know the pick up bars and massages with extras near by.

Thanks.

I will be in Jakarta later this week. Here is a list of places I plan on visiting. Let me know if I am missing a must see bar or spa. My question is which places are better earlier and which later?

Malioboro.
Classic.
Illigals.
Hotel Travel.
BATS.
CJ.

Also, it is easy to buy a SIM card and get some Rupiah at the airport? How much is taxi from the airport to my hotel near Malioboro?

You change money at BNI at the airport. Taxi will generally cost around IDR 150,000.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2140731] Also, it is easy to get some Rupiah at the airport? How much is taxi from the airport to my hotel near Malioboro?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2140731]I will be in Jakarta later this week. Here is a list of places I plan on visiting. Let me know if I am missing a must see bar or spa. My question is which places are better earlier and which later?

Malioboro.
Classic.
Illigals.
Hotel Travel.
BATS.
CJ.

Also, it is easy to buy a SIM card and get some Rupiah at the airport? How much is taxi from the airport to my hotel near Malioboro?[/QUOTE]You can easily pick up a SIM card at the airport, but it will be much more expensive than if you pick it up anywhere other than the airport. I think at the airport they want 200k, and anywhere else it's 30k. Once you arrive at your hotel, they can tell you where to get one if you aren't in a rush to get one at the airport.

Rupiah, there are plenty of ATMs at the airport. You can see them as soon as you pass the passport check. If you want to exchange dollars, you can easily do that at the airport, but will get a worse rate than other places around town.

Price of a car to your hotel depends on which car you take. As usual in any country, pay no attention to anyone aggressively asking you if you want a taxi or car and walk right past those idiots to the official taxis and cars. If you take a bluebird taxi, I would guess around 150 k. A cheaper taxi, a bit less. But these taxis use meters so you don't have to worry about haggling the price. They charge a fair price and you pay the meter fare, tolls, and the airport surcharge of about 10k. I've never had an "official" taxi try to rip me off at the airport. A silverbird mercedes taxi, around 300 k. There is a cue for taxis at curbside. You go to a machine and get a number (there is one machine for bluebird and one for the other cheaper taxis, most locals will be taking the bluebirds because they have the best reputation so they will have the longer cue) and that is your number in the cue. Or you can go to the Goldenbird counter after immigration and book a car there. That isn't much more expensive than a taxi and includes tolls. I normally just book a Goldenbird car like an Innova or Avanza rather than taking a taxi. It's a bit more expensive but I feel it's a minimal upcharge for the comfort. Or you could take the new train. I think that costs 70 k and you could take a taxi from the train station to your hotel for about 30 k. Or you could take the Damri Bus. I think that is 40k. You would need to take a taxi from the bus station to your hotel. Or you could even call a Grab Car. I don't do that at the airport simply because it can be a hassle meeting them and I need wifi to call.

Your list is enough to keep you busy. I don't have any special recommendation other than those that are "must sees". Personally, I would throw Hotel Travel to the curb and replace it with King Cross in Kelapa Gading, but Hotel Travel is ok.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2140731]I will be in Jakarta later this week. Here is a list of places I plan on visiting. Let me know if I am missing a must see bar or spa. My question is which places are better earlier and which later?

Malioboro.
Classic.
Illigals.
Hotel Travel.
BATS.
CJ.

Also, it is easy to buy a SIM card and get some Rupiah at the airport? How much is taxi from the airport to my hotel near Malioboro?[/QUOTE]Many of these places above do not generally open until later in the afternoon or evening. You can try Malioboro and Illigals for the massages and relaxation in the afternoon, but things would usually pick up only at night. Be prepared to have small change as the workers there are aggressive in asking for tips. Never been to BATS or Hotel Travel, so cannot provide feedback on those. Classic is pretty much a meat market, and the mommy-san can be pushy there. I never like that place much, but it's cheap. CJ will not open until 9 or 10 PM, but if you have the budget, that is the better place to visit. It is my preferred choice. Go there on Ladies night on Tuesday where the place will be packed with freelancers. Have fun!

Pretty much nothing at all in Jakarta starts early. If you aren't working, I would recommend not even waking up until noon. The earliest would be perhaps Hotel Classic or Hotel Travel at around 2 pm, but the selection of girls will be limited at that time. Malioboro will get going at around 3 or 4pm but all of the girls will not be there yet. Most places don't have all of their girls until 7 pm. Places like BATS and CJs don't get started until after 10 pm or even 11 pm. Ladies night at CJs is Wednesday night. Although no place starts early, there are plenty that are open late. You can stay at some places like My Bar, Colosseum, X2, Golden Crown, etc until 5am.

I would add to Smoothy's advice. I usually get SIMPati with a data plan because it has better coverage and I can tether is Wifi is worse than mobile data. But it will not matter since you are in Jakarta. Some other SIMs come with a small amount of data.

I also notice some ATMs spit out different denomination bills. Have small bills to pay exact amounts. Money exchange / hotel can break for you.

There is a VIP arrival service with or without transport. Looks like you have a full schedule! LOL

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2140769]You can easily pick up a SIM card at the airport, but it will be much more expensive than if you pick it up anywhere other than the airport. I think at the airport they want 200k, and anywhere else it's 30k. Once you arrive at your hotel, they can tell you where to get one if you aren't in a rush to get one at the airport.

Rupiah, there are plenty of ATMs at the airport. You can see them as soon as you pass the passport check. If you want to exchange dollars, you can easily do that at the airport, but will get a worse rate than other places around town.

Your list is enough to keep you busy. I don't have any special recommendation other than those that are "must sees". Personally, I would throw Hotel Travel to the curb and replace it with King Cross in Kelapa Gading, but Hotel Travel is ok.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2140731]I will be in Jakarta later this week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2140805]Pretty much nothing at all in Jakarta starts early. If you aren't working, I would recommend not even waking up until noon. The earliest would be perhaps Hotel Classic or Hotel Travel at around 2 pm, but the selection of girls will be limited at that time. Malioboro will get going at around 3 or 4pm but all of the girls will not be there yet. Most places don't have all of their girls until 7 pm. Places like BATS and CJs don't get started until after 10 pm or even 11 pm. Ladies night at CJs is Wednesday night. Although no place starts early, there are plenty that are open late. You can stay at some places like My Bar, Colosseum, X2, Golden Crown, etc until 5am.[/QUOTE]Oops, Ladies night at CJ is in fact on Wednesday instead of Tuesday as I had previously posted. Got my day wrong, I was probably too drunk to recall the day then, LOL.

Thanks, Smoothy. What is there to do during the day then? Go to mall? I've been to the monument and museum. QUOTE=Smoothy;2140805 Pretty much nothing at all in Jakarta starts early. If you aren't working, I would recommend not even waking up until noon. The earliest would be perhaps Hotel Classic or Hotel Travel at around 2 pm, but the selection of girls will be limited at that time. Malioboro will get going at around 3 or 4 pm but all of the girls will not be there yet. Most places don't have all of their girls until 7 pm. Places like BATS and CJs don't get started until after 10 pm or even 11 pm. Ladies night at CJs is Wednesday night. Although no place starts early, there are plenty that are open late. You can stay at some places like My Bar, Colosseum, X2, Golden Crown, etc until 5 am. QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2140815]Thanks, Smoothy. What is there to do during the day then? Go to mall? I've been to the monument and museum. [/QUOTE]

Things to do during the day:

Massages, there are many smaller places opening from 11/12 noon, mostly in West and North Jakarta, Delta and My Place have several branches around the city. You can go a bit "off the beaten path" (For this forum at least) an try massage places like Orchardz, be-Fashion, FM1 etc for massage +++ in the afternoon. There's a blowjob shop up in PIK that used to do a buy 1 get 2 special, unfortunately these days they've stopped that but you do get a 20 k discount so it comes to 150 k for a BBBJ, no tips required.

There are so many massage shops around that focus on guys, best way to find them is in the "Nightlife & Events" section of the Kaskus forum (Moderate to advanced level of Indonesian skills required to follow any kind of conversation, but the opening posts with prices etc can usually be understood by a quick google translate) where they put on their prices, promotions, girls available each day with sometimes a link to an IG account with pics of those girls. They're obviously photoshopped most of the time but they don't make them very extreme. I'm currently training a girl from one of the smaller massage shops in doing a proper b2 b massage. She already gives a very proper massage and she's getting the hang of the b2 b part now as well.

Alternatively you call girls whose numbers you got from the previous night at CJ's or so, or roll the dice with WeChat / Twitter.

Have you tried the new museum of modern & contemporary arts nusantara? (MACAN) It's quite good. Movies in Jakarta are very good money, I love to go to "Premier Class", where you get luxury seats and waiter service for around 100k a movie (depending on the movie). Unfortunately Premier usually does not have dolby atmos so you need to go to the regular cinema's for that, which costs 50-75k, Atmos is usually only in the first screening room, bigger cinema's also in the second. (Cinema 1, 2, 3 etc).

If you find a girl you like you can take her on a daytrip to the 1000 islands (Pulau Seribu) from North Jakarta, but it depends on the season, don't do it now.

If you're active there's a good climbing wall down in Alam Sutera/Serpong, a google search of peak to peak jakarta should get you the information you need.

Hi,

I am thinking of visiting Jakarta for a weekend, and having read the forum, I just wanted to share my thoughts, and if anyone could help it be great.

This is going to be a very rare visit, so I want to make it worth it (as they say) so far, my understanding is.

Malioboro is a spa with girls in the spa (that you can take out or there is a private room).

Malio Club is a strip club very near by, and while you can have sex with the girls there, there is no option for takeout (unless you agree something outside).

King Cross. Strip club and brothal.

Since I plan to be in town for a short time, I rather go for quality as I like them slim. Might also do a pickup in a club. (like Tiga Puluh or CJ).

One question, I keep on hearing that Kota in Jakarta have very nice places? Any suggestions. Thinking of staying at Aryaduta Jakarta.

[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2141090]
Malioboro is a spa with girls in the spa (that you can take out or there is a private room).

Malio Club is a strip club very near by, and while you can have sex with the girls there, there is no option for takeout (unless you agree something outside).

King Cross. Strip club and brothal.

Since I plan to be in town for a short time, I rather go for quality as I like them slim. Might also do a pickup in a club. (like Tiga Puluh or CJ).

One question, I keep on hearing that Kota in Jakarta have very nice places? Any suggestions. Thinking of staying at Aryaduta Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Malioboro does have a spa, but there are no girls in the spa area. The girls are seated in a big room one floor above the spa where you select one and take her to a short time room upstairs. There are also dancers on a stage in that same room where the girls are seated (dancers used to be nude, but now all wear bikinis due to recent government restrictions). Malio club is in the same building as Malioboro, you just walk to the back side. It has girls seated to the right who are the same as the girls seated in the front area in that big room. You can take them upstairs for an hour in a room there. Malio club has more dancers than the front area with the big room of girls has, but again, they are wearing bikinis now. You can take the dancers as well, but they are more expensive than the seated girls. Local girls will range from 800 k to 1. 8 million depending on the girl. Imports from China, Uzbek, etc are over 2 million. You cannot take any girls out of Malioboro or Malio (you could, but it would be ridiculously expensive), you only take them upstairs in a room there for an hour.

King Cross is basically the same as Malioboro. It has a big room that has girls seated that you can select and dancers wearing bikinis. There is also karoake at King Cross if you like. King Cross is cheaper than Malioboro. I think the girls are between 700 k and 1 million now.

Forget Tigah Puluh, it died 10 years ago. CJs in Hotel Mulia and BATS in hotel Shangri-La are still good fee lance pickup spots though.

Aryaduta is fine. Older hotel, but nothing wrong with it. I think Harris Vertu is better though since it's brand new and in a better location.

I'm not sure what places you are thinking about when you say "Kota". Kota is the Indonesian word for city and is just a reference to the North Jakarta area. Malioboro is in Kota. There are tons of places in Kota. Malioboro, Hotel Classic, etc. King Cross is in the Kelapa Gading area which also has many good places.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2141102]...... You cannot take any girls out of Malioboro or Malio (you could, but it would be ridiculously expensive), you only take them upstairs in a room there for an hour......[/QUOTE]You can request to have the girl visit you during her day off where a better fee could be negotiated.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2141134]You can request to have the girl visit you during her day off where a better fee could be negotiated.[/QUOTE]Yes, you can try that, but I wouldn't count on her showing up. It's a great plan for those of us living in Jakarta who don't care if we lose a day by the girl not showing. If I were only in town a few days, I doubt I would rely on that strategy. If you do get a girl to show up at your place once, you can normally rely on her showing after that. But I've found that first time is elusive.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2141257]Yes, you can try that, but I wouldn't count on her showing up. It's a great plan for those of us living in Jakarta who don't care if we lose a day by the girl not showing. If I were only in town a few days, I doubt I would rely on that strategy. If you do get a girl to show up at your place once, you can normally rely on her showing after that. But I've found that first time is elusive.[/QUOTE]I did it once with a Mongolian girl I met in a visit there in 2015. I sessioned her on site and we agreed to meet at a mall close to my hotel on her day off. She turned up, bought some stuff and I bought her lunch after which we went to my hotel. If she had not turned up I would have had lunch anyway and sessioned somewhere later. Planning is key.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2141267]I did it once with a Mongolian girl I met in a visit there in 2015. I sessioned her on site and we agreed to meet at a mall close to my hotel on her day off. She turned up, bought some stuff and I bought her lunch after which we went to my hotel. If she had not turned up I would have had lunch anyway and sessioned somewhere later. Planning is key.[/QUOTE]Good point. If you are only in town a short time, planning is extra important. I am going to KL next month, and have connected online with a number of OFW girls from different SEA nations. One in particular is eager to meet me as soon as I arrive. While I feel pretty confident she will show up, she isn't sure if she if wants to spend the night with me in my hotel. But, if she doesn't, I will still be within short walking distance of three or four different brothels and massage parlors I am interested in visiting anyways. It will hard for me NOT to get laid, regardless of her decision.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2141102]
I'm not sure what places you are thinking about when you say "Kota". Kota is the Indonesian word for city and is just a reference to the North Jakarta area. Malioboro is in Kota. There are tons of places in Kota. Malioboro, Hotel Classic, etc. King Cross is in the Kelapa Gading area which also has many good places.[/QUOTE]So, I'm nitpicking here, but most of what usually is referred to as "Kota" is actually not North Jakarta but West and Central. For example Malioboro falls under the Central Jakarta district, as does Hotel Classic, however Colosseum and Travel are under West Jakarta.

Alexis is pretty much where North Jakarta starts, and if looking on a map is pretty much in the middle of that district, from Pantai Indah Kapuk in the west till Tanjung Priuk in the east.

Nitpickmode / off.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2141376]So, I'm nitpicking here, but most of what usually is referred to as "Kota" is actually not North Jakarta but West and Central. For example Malioboro falls under the Central Jakarta district, as does Hotel Classic, however Colosseum and Travel are under West Jakarta.

Alexis is pretty much where North Jakarta starts, and if looking on a map is pretty much in the middle of that district, from Pantai Indah Kapuk in the west till Tanjung Priuk in the east.

Nitpickmode / off.[/QUOTE]Reading up on a wiki, it was said that Kota, or North Jakarta is the better place to be. Looking at the map, I consider places like Alexis and Golden Crown to be in that area.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2140940]Movies in Jakarta are very good money, I love to go to "Premier Class", where you get luxury seats and waiter service for around 100k a movie (depending on the movie). [/QUOTE]Premier is a great option for a fun lunchtime date. Book an early screening, say about 12 pm, who the hell goes to the cinema at that time? It will be virtually empty. Book two seats in a corner in the back row and enjoy fun under the blankets. I have a fond if somewhat bizarre memory of watching "Benjamin Button" and trying to make sense of what the hell was going on in the movie as I was continually distracted by a delightful young lady in a jilbab I had picked up and who was stretched over my seat giving me a blowjob while I had my fingers up her skirt and sticking in alternate orifices.

Heavens, that was fun, and you can order beer too.

Still can't for the life of me work out what that movie was about mind you.

Smoothy, your inbox is full, you popular fellow.

[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2141404]Reading up on a wiki, it was said that Kota, or North Jakarta is the better place to be. Looking at the map, I consider places like Alexis and Golden Crown to be in that area.[/QUOTE]Better place to be to go where? It depends where you want to go. I thought you said you wanted to go to Malioboro and CJs. Alexis is so far north that it's basically in Ancol. The further towards Ancol you get, the further you are away from anything else in Jakarta other than Ancol. (Alexis is closed.) If you intend on spending your time at Golden Crown, Orchardz spa, Club 36, Penjay, Hotel Travel, or Lokasari, then it might make sense sacrificing quality of hotel and staying further north. But Malioboro, Hotel Classic, Emporivm, and places like CJs and BATS are further down and you can get a nicer hotel.

If you want to go to Malioboro, you can stay in a very nice hotel at Harris Vertu right across the street from Malioboro and can walk there. If you want to go from there to Hotel Classic, you just turn left on Jalan Juanda and then left again and you are there in a few minutes. If you want to go to CJs, that is way on the other side of town regardless of where you stay in North Jakarta. There is a bus station right in front of that Harris hotel and you can take the bus to Kota station in about 5 minutes if you so desire. Keep in mind that if you want to stay near Mangga Dua mall (in between Alexis and Golden Crown and the true definition of the "Kota" area), all of the hotels in that area are shitty relative to a hotel like Harris Vertu. It's not as if Malioboro and Golden Crown are far apart. They are not.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2141376]So, I'm nitpicking here, but most of what usually is referred to as "Kota" is actually not North Jakarta but West and Central. For example Malioboro falls under the Central Jakarta district, as does Hotel Classic, however Colosseum and Travel are under West Jakarta.

Alexis is pretty much where North Jakarta starts, and if looking on a map is pretty much in the middle of that district, from Pantai Indah Kapuk in the west till Tanjung Priuk in the east.

Nitpickmode / off.[/QUOTE]Ha. I'll have to go into that explanation the next time I ask one of my expat friends living in South Jakarta if he wants to go to Malioboro and he answers with "I'm not going to North Jakarta, the traffic sucks up there!"

I like your premier movie idea. A movie like Benjamin button would be the perfect choice. Find a movie that will bore the girl so she will focus on you.

I am a regular to Bali never have a problem meeting ladies, but am about to embark on my 1st trip to Jakarta.

Not at all in to the late night scene, I will be crashing by 11 pm as early morning starts.

Any suggestions on a not to expensive hotel that is close to a mall or establishment that will have a choice available late afternoon. Early night?

Would appreciate any intro to ladies, happy to reward all be it my capabilities are restricted to under an hour these days.

Feel free to PM me as opposed to cramming the site with what may be obvious to most.

Looking forward to my trip, none the least as be alone.

Pedro.

This is quite helpful Smoothy. Many thanks. I only have three days in Jakarta so I am staying at Classic then Tematik then Faletehaln. I hope I made some good choices. Are any of the movie theatres near any of these?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2141540]If you want to go to Malioboro.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

Has anybody been to the Blok lately since Top Gun has closed? Heading into town in a few weeks and have a free night (unfortunately a Sunday) to do a bit of late night bar hoping. Was wondering if My Bar and Dee's have picked up any of the slack or the death of Blok M is nigh and I may as well go to CJ's or BATS. Where do girls form CJ's and BATS drag their ass to these days if they don't get any business, doubt they're heading to Kemang. Might have to be a quick WeChat run to fill some boredom as I suspect Sunday is going to be dead in that part of town.

Thanks in advance.

Re: "Kota", My old monger board used that as an abbreviation for Kota Inda.

Interesting to see Smoothy reference Penjay. I realize it's not for the rookies here, but it gets precious little mention.

I'll be at grand Indonesia mall for lunch. Which is the best spa in the area to go after lunch?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2141843]I'll be at grand Indonesia mall for lunch. Which is the best spa in the area to go after lunch?[/QUOTE]For a real massage, Delta Spa Harmoni. Hot Stone massage. It's like 600 k for 2 and a half hours and a free hand job at the end included.

Harmoni Plaza, BL be 12 - 12 A unit 36 - 38 Jl. Suryopranoto No. 2.

Ph: 021-6385-3777.

[QUOTE=Porker;2141813]
Interesting to see Smoothy reference Penjay.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, like Blok M, it's a spot of former good memories that has gone downhill relative to other options.

If you want to try an old time place that is rarely ever mentioned but has been restored to a point that is nicer than it ever was but the price remained low, try Medika (they call it New Medika now I think, but it's the same place). It's in an area with a lot of traffic until late evening, so wait until then to go. The rooms are nice and there are some nice girls there for less than 400 k. They used to have a topless female DJ, but with the new regulations, I doubt it anymore.

New Medika.

Jl. Daan Mogot I 27-33, Jakarta 11470.

Phone number +62-21 568 2610 (Behind Citra Land Mall).

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2141704]
Has anybody been to the Blok lately since Top Gun has closed? Heading into town in a few weeks and have a free night (unfortunately a Sunday) to do a bit of late night bar hoping. Was wondering if My Bar and Dee's have picked up any of the slack or the death of Blok M is nigh and I may as well go to CJ's or BATS. Where do girls form CJ's and BATS drag their ass to these days if they don't get any business, doubt they're heading to Kemang. Might have to be a quick WeChat run to fill some boredom as I suspect Sunday is going to be dead in that part of town.[/QUOTE]Sunday is very dead at Blok M. Sunday is dead everywhere else too, just not as dead. Maybe try CJs, but don't expect much.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2141881]Sunday is very dead at Blok M. Sunday is dead everywhere else too, just not as dead. Maybe try CJs, but don't expect much.[/QUOTE]Smoothy,

Thanks, yeah I was expecting as much. Used to spend a lot of time in Jakarta Mon-Sat, only ever had a couple of Sunday nights in town and I used them like the girls probably do. To recover. I did find some recent reviews on My Bar via google that suggests that it is still relatively busy in the late night hours, especially later in the week. Maybe give it a look on my next trip, although going by current frequency the blok will probably be under renovation by then!

I'm.

Made a huge mistake wasting time checking out Blok M last night. Never again! Friday night from 11 pm to 1240 am wasted in my life. Thought I was in Texas when I walked in to DS place. Country music. Wtf. At least DS place had one very pretty gogo girl. Slim with very short hair. Busty too. Eastern promise was worse for girls. Average age maybe 40 to 45 for girls. The band was amazing at eastern promise though. Walked into a couple of other bars there like my place but totally dead.

Did not go to octagon. Rushed back to go to hotel travel. Any info on octagon? Taxi driver recommended dragonfly but said girls 3 million. No thanks.

Bottom line I still like seeing gogo girls dancing. Can someone list the bars that still have gogo girls, even if not topless?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2142294]At least DS place had one very pretty gogo girl. Slim with very short hair. Busty too.[/QUOTE]If you liked one, you should have tried the VIP room. You can take those girls in the back VIP room at D's and fuck them or get a BJ if you want. Just have to negotiate price with them. That's a unique experience going back there and would have been worth trying once if you did have your eye on a girl.

The best time to go to D's is just prior to 2am because the girls at the Karaoke next door (I think the place is called Oktagon or something like that) finish their shift and sometimes come in and check for possible customers at that time. Some of those karaoke girls are nice. I wouldn't say that D's place plays country music very often. They mainly play pop and rock. But they mix in country and my favorite - indonesian dangdut. I can't complain about the music there, I like that they mix it up.

After 2am, if no sexy karaoke girls wander into D's place, you can walk next door and check out My Bar since it doesn't even have any customers until around 2am anyway.

I agree though, the Blok is basically now dead. Damn shame. It used to be awesome.

Unfortunately I couldn't talk to her she was with a guy already.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2133555]Topless at Hotel Classic Bunker last night as well. But not bottomless.[/QUOTE]Are the prices at bunker the same as classic on 3rd floor?

What is the proper tip to pay a girl at classic above the 350 k?

Are DFK and BBBJ not the norm at classic and travel. Have had girls at both not willing to DFK and BBBJ.

Have a function in Tangerang that will require me to book a hotel close by.

Any advice on a good hotel, central to action or meeting ladies, not in to the lat night scene.

Might it be near a Mall or Shopping center where one may snag a gem and non WL?

Cheers.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2142630]

What is the proper tip to pay a girl at classic above the 350 k?

[/QUOTE]In October 2016 I tipped 100 k Rupiah based on advice from this board. The chicks seemed reasonably happy about this.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2142630]Are the prices at bunker the same as classic on 3rd floor?

What is the proper tip to pay a girl at classic above the 350 k?

Are DFK and BBBJ not the norm at classic and travel. Have had girls at both not willing to DFK and BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Price is a bit cheaper at bunker but about the same. I love the rooms at bunker, they are so cool. It's like the pirates of the carribean ride at disney.

Normal tip is 100 k unless they insist on covered BJ. If they insist on that, I don't give them a tip. Many of those girls do insist on covered BJ and do not DFK. DFK is too personal for them. They wouldn't want to cheat on their Indonesian boyfriend. I have no problem with them not providing DFK, but I do have a problem with a condom for the bj.

Bad news. Here's a recent article saying the police are targeting the following places for shut down if they don't immediately crack down on people using drugs in those places. Some of our favorites are listed here.

Illigals.
Tematik.
Golden Crown.
Hotel Classic.
B'Fashion Club.
Happy Puppy (karaoke).
Hotel Travel.
New Monggo Mas.
Bandara (Diskotek).
Kota Indah.
Top 1 (diskotek).

You will need to use google translate to read the following link, but here it is.

[URL]https://news.detik.com/berita/d-3876682/buwas-ada-peredaran-narkoba-di-36-diskotek-di-jakarta?_ga=2.21495410.8904920.1519018428-1476338213.1517454236[/URL]

Personally, I've never been offered drugs at any of those places and wouldn't take them even if I was offered them. I think the locals take drugs themselves anywhere there is music and it's dark. Maybe these places should just turn off the music and turn the lights up bright. That might solve the problem. (Might be tough for a karoake to turn off the music.).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2142630]Are the prices at bunker the same as classic on 3rd floor?

What is the proper tip to pay a girl at classic above the 350 k?

Are DFK and BBBJ not the norm at classic and travel. Have had girls at both not willing to DFK and BBBJ.[/QUOTE]80% of the girls at Travel or Classic don't make anything above minimal effort (often less), so they don't deserve a tip. For others, I've given 50 k for acceptable service, to the few who weren't actively trying to make it bad. Even those would be unlikely to get a tip at other venues, but they did exceed the extremely low expectations at Classic or Travel. Nobody really stands in my mind as memorable, or deserving more than 50 k. Even some very low-end venues like former Kalijodo or fishbowls of Sanur, Bali, provided better service.

No, DFK and BBBJ are not the norm.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144294]Bad news. Here's a recent article saying the police are targeting the following places for shut down if they don't immediately crack down on people using drugs in those places. Some of our favorites are listed here.

Illigals.
Tematik.
Golden Crown.
Hotel Classic.
B'Fashion Club.
Happy Puppy (karaoke).
Hotel Travel.
New Monggo Mas.
Bandara (Diskotek).
Kota Indah.
Top 1 (diskotek).

You will need to use google translate to read the following link, but here it is.

[URL]https://news.detik.com/berita/d-3876682/buwas-ada-peredaran-narkoba-di-36-diskotek-di-jakarta?_ga=2.21495410.8904920.1519018428-1476338213.1517454236[/URL]

Personally, I've never been offered drugs at any of those places and wouldn't take them even if I was offered them. I think the locals take drugs themselves anywhere there is music and it's dark. Maybe these places should just turn off the music and turn the lights up bright. That might solve the problem. (Might be tough for a karoake to turn off the music.).[/QUOTE]I have been considering a 2019 visit to Indonesia. Will be keeping my eyes on developments re whether I should make this happen.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144294]Bad news. Here's a recent article saying the police are targeting the following places for shut down if they don't immediately crack down on people using drugs in those places. Some of our favorites are listed here.

Illigals.
Tematik.
Golden Crown.
Hotel Classic.
B'Fashion Club.
Happy Puppy (karaoke).
Hotel Travel.
New Monggo Mas.
Bandara (Diskotek).
Kota Indah.
Top 1 (diskotek).
[/QUOTE]I would never return to Jakarta if Hotel Classic shut down. Hotel Travel was my 2nd favorite place in Jakarta. Although service was inconsistent I seemed to have gotten better service than recently reported on these 2 places.

I may have the opportunity to return in about 10 days but not sure if I should since I just left 5 days ago. Leaning towards going now if Classic and Travel are possibly shutting down soon. No signs of drugs or girls with visual effects of drugs from my daily visits on my recent trip.

Thanks for the info, Smoothy. Please advise if you get any updates.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144294]Bad news. Here's a recent article saying the police are targeting the following places for shut down if they don't immediately crack down on people using drugs in those places. Some of our favorites are listed here.

Illigals.
Tematik.
Golden Crown.
Hotel Classic.
B'Fashion Club.
Happy Puppy (karaoke).
Hotel Travel.
New Monggo Mas.
Bandara (Diskotek).
Kota Indah.
Top 1 (diskotek).

You will need to use google translate to read the following link, but here it is.

[URL]https://news.detik.com/berita/d-3876682/buwas-ada-peredaran-narkoba-di-36-diskotek-di-jakarta?_ga=2.21495410.8904920.1519018428-1476338213.1517454236[/URL]

Personally, I've never been offered drugs at any of those places and wouldn't take them even if I was offered them. I think the locals take drugs themselves anywhere there is music and it's dark. Maybe these places should just turn off the music and turn the lights up bright. That might solve the problem. (Might be tough for a karoake to turn off the music.).[/QUOTE]I may be wrong. But a detailed read tells me Bawas, the drug czar, wants a "commitment from the government" to shut down a list of venues he says are selling drugs, but he will "only publish if he gets a promise to shut them down from the government". The list of venues in the article are places that have received "stern warnings" in the past. Bawas also says the government needs to get serious about drugs, implying it currently is not serious about drugs. I am not at all trying to say Smoothy is wrong or that you shouldn't be careful, but the article looks like Bawas being Bawas. He's a public idiot whose promises mean roughly as much as Trump's.

I'm just a nob and a lurker on a mongering forum. My Indonesian is far from perfect. I am not a doctor, side effects of taking my advice may include blue balls and arrest. But I don't think it's time to worry just yet.

[QUOTE=SomeJerk;2145612]I may be wrong. But a detailed read tells me Bawas, the drug czar, wants a "commitment from the government" to shut down a list of venues he says are selling drugs, but he will "only publish if he gets a promise to shut them down from the government". The list of venues in the article are places that have received "stern warnings" in the past. Bawas also says the government needs to get serious about drugs, implying it currently is not serious about drugs. I am not at all trying to say Smoothy is wrong or that you shouldn't be careful, but the article looks like Bawas being Bawas. He's a public idiot whose promises mean roughly as much as Trump's.

I'm just a nob and a lurker on a mongering forum. My Indonesian is far from perfect. I am not a doctor, side effects of taking my advice may include blue balls and arrest. But I don't think it's time to worry just yet.[/QUOTE]SomeJerk I agree, you've got a more thorough understanding of the Indonesian media than our esteemed colleague Smoothy. At the end of March Mr Buwas is retiring officially from the civil service. He has put his CV out publicly and targeting the selectively listed Police managed entertainment spots in North Jakarta. He has made it clear his ambition post-retirement is to work as a security guard on the door of nightclubs.

In the big picture I think this is good news if drugs are being restricted from being used in the nightspots I monger in.

Ah. Nightlife and drugs. It's not like you can exterminate it.

Was at a club this weekend, we had just arrived and ordered our bottles when the head waiter came over to me and asked if I needed a doctor. Being pretty far gone already from a few bottles earlier that night, I didn't get it, until he said "Pharmacy?" when the penny dropped.

And seriously. Happy puppy? That shows how far they're going in their paranoia.

Thank you for all the amazing info and FRs in the Jakarta thread. Especially Smoothy; I did the homework but eventually went by Smoothy's recommendation of classic hotel in case time is limited in Jakarta. And it was definitely a satisfying choice!

Reached Classic hotel at about 11 pm and went to level 2. I entered the door and was handed a band and was told that the entry charge was 40 k. I must have missed this detail in the FRs but since it was not a large amount, I nodded and went in. The place is huge (I didn't realize till later!) but I got caught by an mms pretty quickly and she asked me my preference (I said someone small) and she created a six girl line-up within 4 minutes! I liked a smiling face in that line-up and chose her. Couldn't really understand her name, and I guess it doesn't matter. She was cute, petite, be cups, and not aggressive at all. We sat for sometime while I nursed my beer. But there was not much point because we couldn't really have a conversation as she didn't seem to understand English.

We went to one of the downstairs rooms. And as we walked past the band stage and the pool tables I realized what a large place this is. In fact, I am glad that I didn't realize it earlier because it seemed over-whelming! Anyway, went down to the room. Nice, clean, shower facility, mirror on one entire wall. We showered together and then I asked her to massage me for a little while. She didn't understand so I massaged her instead. It was a great idea because we really clicked with that. After that she massaged me really nicely and we were just petting till the point that we got a call to the room. Which was probably to tell her to hurry up or to check on her. I motioned her to start sucking and she gave me a BBBJ for a bit and then CBJ for a quick 5 seconds. The deed was good. She was tight in spite of the lube and that made it good for me (sometimes the lube is so much that I just don't get any feeling); I am a little bigger than average and she kept saying 'big, big' which was good for the ego as well. The girl did not try and rush at all, contrary to the reports that I had read. Did a couple of positions and then came while pounding her from the back while she was sprawled on the bed on her front. Really sexy to watch in the mirrors!

Used up almost 45 minutes and so went back upstairs; paid my bill and then left back for the hotel, well satisfied for the night.

One sour note: the cashier first showed up an amount of 765,000 on the electronic machine to which I didn't react; then she showed a new amount of 76,000 and asked for 100 k to which I asked for the bill. Then she showed 48 k as a new amount. Which made sense to me (40 k entry + 8 k for one beer) . It looked like she was trying to get away with a larger amount if I was not paying attention / was drunk.

Nightlife in Jakarta is a whole lot of fun because you may choose to enhance your experience if you choose and Jakarta is already fun on steroids compared to any other place OS has ever been before any enhancement.

What concerns me is that the decision making by these "pejabat tinggi", never follows what we would consider normal logic. Firstly, a lot of people in high positions in Indonesia are essentially uneducated. Sure they might have a degree from some local university but that doesn't count for much. A lot of them have never travelled which is courtesy of a lot of our western countries being so mean spirited in denying young Indonesians that visa to travel and soak up alternative ways to look at things and so they are quite limited in their idea of how to change things, and thirdly if you want to rise. You need to dedicate yourself to cultivating patronage. "Asal bapak senang", "as long as the boss is happy" pretty much sums up problem solving for these guys and so there are limited pathways for innovative solutions to any problem to make their way up through all these people clinging onto whatever power they hold at their shitbox desk in some mould stained office with a busted air conditioner.

The thing is that they all crave power. Look at any news interview and the (probably uneducated) boss is blah blah blah to the camera and all these wannabes will be crowded into the frame behind him trying to associate themselves with power. If your family wants to scrape together the money, for $12,000 US, you can become a policeman, Then if you work harder at cultivating patronage than you do solving crime and looking after law and order, you too can work your way up the chain, no education needed. But if you are female you still need to pass the virginity exam where they open you up with a speculum to make sure you have the morality necessary to enforce law and order (go figure that one out).

So it should be as no surprise that they have a rather unsophisticated approach to drug enforcement. I think complacency is your worst enemy if that is what you like to do and their approach if you get caught is very punitive. It's the fog of a corrupt culture that is hard to see through and that makes the announcements like this one hard to second guess but OS never considered Happy Puppy a den of sin and theres a couple of other nightclubs that are conspicuous by their absence on that list which just leaves me just a little confused.

That said, I am sympathetic to the govt in dealing with the amount of shabu that seems to be coming into Indonesia but am not sure how cracking down on bars and nightclubs like on the list will solve that problem.

Perhaps if they wanted to really make Indonesia a better place they could go to war on litter, how awesome would that be.

"One sour note: the cashier first showed up an amount of 765,000 on the electronic machine to which I didn't react; then she showed a new amount of 76,000 and asked for 100 k to which I asked for the bill. Then she showed 48 k as a new amount. Which made sense to me (40 k entry + 8 k for one beer) . It looked like she was trying to get away with a larger amount if I was not paying attention / was drunk".

Actually it was 48 k for the beer (which is pretty good) as the entrance fee is waived if you get a girl. But on my last trip late last year I did notice that Classic tried to up the bill a few times if you didn't pay attention.

Anyone doing drugs in Jakarta is just asking for trouble. If that's your thing and you want to take the risk, by all means, it's always yours to take, but these S. E. A. Are drugs enough for me. Walking around is being barraged by an insane amount of auditory + visual scramble. Not sure why anyone would risk serious bad news.

I love this forum. Joining it was the best thing I've ever done. Soon, I'll be getting out of the frigid, cold, disgusting and. E. China, and heading south!

I'll be in and out of Jakarta / KL starting in June, and can hand-hold newbies or be a wing-man / chiong buddy for a small fee + one service paid. I consider this a whole night deal, no hourly stuff, and I will not waste your time. I love both scenes, deeply. I think they best Thailand if you do it right.

I'm also beginning a private lifestyle documentary biz, seeking clients to follow and professionally photograph their fun. This can just be casual shots (Hey, Ma / Wifey! Or more serious. Whatever is needed.

English only, sadly, but that's the rub.

If anyone's interested, feel free to message me, and we can chat. I am dead serious about getting this going. I'm a low-key, moderate drinker (nothing too sloppy) who thinks of himself as funny, isn't a jerk, very patient, and is just looking to have some serious fun.

Best,

TS.

Dear all,

I have just recently shifted to Jakarta. I had my first experience at Grand Kimochi Cempaka. However it was a rushed decision and I couldn't spend much time deciding which babe to go for.

Is there an online blog / portal where the names and photos are listed for selection? And what is the usual "Tip" for a full-service menu? I paid around 400,000 to the girl inside the room. Was it ok, less or more? This was over and above the IDR 250,000 I paid for the room at the reception.

Please do let me know bretheren.

Thanks,

LB.

[QUOTE=ThingStick;2146625]Anyone doing drugs in Jakarta is just asking for trouble. If that's your thing and you want to take the risk, by all means, it's always yours to take, but these S. E. A. Are drugs enough for me. Walking around is being barraged by an insane amount of auditory + visual scramble. Not sure why anyone would risk serious bad news.

I love this forum. Joining it was the best thing I've ever done. Soon, I'll be getting out of the frigid, cold, disgusting and. E. China, and heading south!

I'll be in and out of Jakarta / KL starting in June, and can hand-hold newbies or be a wing-man / chiong buddy for a small fee + one service paid. I consider this a whole night deal, no hourly stuff, and I will not waste your time. I love both scenes, deeply. I think they best Thailand if you do it right.

I'm also beginning a private lifestyle documentary biz, seeking clients to follow and professionally photograph their fun. This can just be casual shots (Hey, Ma / Wifey! Or more serious. Whatever is needed.

English only, sadly, but that's the rub.

If anyone's interested, feel free to message me, and we can chat. I am dead serious about getting this going. I'm a low-key, moderate drinker (nothing too sloppy) who thinks of himself as funny, isn't a jerk, very patient, and is just looking to have some serious fun.

Best,

TS.[/QUOTE]Interesting. One of the two mongering behaviors that is as risky as playing with hard drugs is profiting from sex. (the other is the idiocy of messing with with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls). Examples of "tour guides" who have found themselves in jail can be found throughout Asia, Latina America, Africa, ect. So, while you are warning others about drugs, I am warning them to be very careful of such offers, and YOU, if you really have not thought it through. Jakarta is not the place to fuck with this.

[QUOTE=HardyBoyZ;2146351]

One sour note: the cashier first showed up an amount of 765,000 on the electronic machine to which I didn't react; then she showed a new amount of 76,000 and asked for 100 k to which I asked for the bill. Then she showed 48 k as a new amount. Which made sense to me (40 k entry + 8 k for one beer) . It looked like she was trying to get away with a larger amount if I was not paying attention / was drunk.[/QUOTE]I must have been getting hosed because I certainly paid much more than 8 k rupiah for a beer at classic. I was never told of any entry fees on my 4 visits last week. Maybe Smoothy can clarify the pricing at classic.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2146631]Dear all,

I have just recently shifted to Jakarta. I had my first experience at Grand Kimochi Cempaka. However it was a rushed decision and I couldn't spend much time deciding which babe to go for.

Is there an online blog / portal where the names and photos are listed for selection? And what is the usual "Tip" for a full-service menu? I paid around 400,000 to the girl inside the room. Was it ok, less or more? This was over and above the IDR 250,000 I paid for the room at the reception.

Please do let me know bretheren.

Thanks,

LB.[/QUOTE][URL]http://therapistfashionspa.********.com.au/2017/07/nomor-2-anggi-foto-therapist-fashion-spa.html[/URL]

Found this in my searching. Not exactly what you want but may be of interest. Others may also be interested.

Also try this: [URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/000000000000000013812927/fashion-hotel-amp-spa/481[/URL].

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2146940]I must have been getting hosed because I certainly paid much more than 8 k rupiah for a beer at classic. I was never told of any entry fees on my 4 visits last week. Maybe Smoothy can clarify the pricing at classic.[/QUOTE]Hi BB. You didn't get hosed. There is nowhere in Jakarta where you can get a beer for 8 k IDR, which is US $0. 80 or Aus $0. 75 or so. 75 cent beers are a memory from my long-ago youth or some special. I also don't know about an entry fee -- but it's been donkey's years since I visited -- and I suspect the 40 K IDR may be a minimum charge. Too much confusion about payments in the report. TTG.

[QUOTE=ABCinLA;2146527]"One sour note: the cashier first showed up an amount of 765,000 on the electronic machine to which I didn't react; then she showed a new amount of 76,000 and asked for 100 k to which I asked for the bill. Then she showed 48 k as a new amount. Which made sense to me (40 k entry + 8 k for one beer) . It looked like she was trying to get away with a larger amount if I was not paying attention / was drunk".

Actually it was 48k for the beer (which is pretty good) as the entrance fee is waived if you get a girl. But on my last trip late last year I did notice that Classic tried to up the bill a few times if you didn't pay attention.[/QUOTE]True, true. It's if you don't buy anything at all, they charge you the 40k. It was likely 48k for the beer. I'm not sure how it ended up being 76k total though unless the beer was a Corona, but they waive that entry fee once you take a girl. Would have to see a photocopy of the receipt. And for 76k, it's not worth the time taking the photo and posting it anyway. LOL.

If you don't want to have to spend a dime, you can go to Bunker on the ground floor. I believe they have a 50k entry fee, but if you are white, they don't charge you anything if you don't spend anything. They tell you about the 50k entry fee, but when they see you have spent nothing when you check out, they don't charge you. It seems that entry fee is just for locals (my local friends always have to pay that 50k even if we walk in together and walk out together). I'm not guaranteeing that Indians or non local Asians can go there without paying, but I do know white guys can. I've always found it odd that they don't force that cover on everyone since Bunker was the place with the better nude dancers and they were continuously dancing nude while the 2nd floor only had dancers intermittently. Now, of course, there are no nude dancers anywhere. Then again, I think I have only been in there 3 or 4 times where I was charged nothing, and one of those times I gave the cashier a 50k tip anyway because she was smoking hot and I already had the 50k out. Every other time I spent well over that. However, the first two times I spent nothing, so I know it had nothing to do with my spending money in the past.

I remember when My Bar in Blok M first opened, it was packed with cheapskate locals (guys) who would just sit in there all night spending nothing. You couldn't even move in the place and it was uncomfortable. I stopped going in there due to that. Then My Bar started charging a cover for only the local guys. It was a huge improvement in the ambience of the place. Personally, I'd like to see places like Hotel Classic (and every other place in town that has hookers and dancers) charge at least a 100k entry fee (that is waived when you spend at least that much). If they did that, I'd start going to those places more often. As it is now, I prefer going to those places in the afternoon only, before they are packed with loitering locals.

I sometimes feel guilty because the entrance fee is not minor to many locals. Then again, it is like the clubs in NYC during the days when clubs can choose and pick who goes in and who has to pay. It was not insignificant to me but my friend (s) usually picked up the tab. I get spoiled in Asia because one can usually talk ones way out of paying because an expat is a desired client and probably willing or can to spend. Saw one fat expat whale last week getting xaped by girls asking and getting LDs. I was going to walk over and tell the whale to slow down but I was closer to and knew the BGs. LOL

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2146988]I remember when My Bar in Blok M first opened, it was packed with cheapskate locals (guys) who would just sit in there all night spending nothing. You couldn't even move in the place and it was uncomfortable. I stopped going in there due to that. Then My Bar started charging a cover for only the local guys. It was a huge improvement in the ambience of the place. Personally, I'd like to see places like Hotel Classic (and every other place in town that has hookers and dancers) charge at least a 100k entry fee (that is waived when you spend at least that much). If they did that, I'd start going to those places more often. As it is now, I prefer going to those places in the afternoon only, before they are packed with loitering locals.[/QUOTE].

Hotel recommendation near action?

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2146369]Firstly, a lot of people in high positions in Indonesia are essentially uneducated. Sure they might have a degree from some local university but that doesn't count for much. A lot of them have never travelled which is courtesy of a lot of our western countries being so mean spirited in denying young Indonesians that visa to travel and soak up alternative ways to look at things and so they are quite limited in their idea of how to change things, and thirdly if you want to rise.[/QUOTE]Alas if only what you describe were so we would have little to worry about, but it isn't. The type of person you describe certainly exists but not at national decison-making level. The guys you describe run some mid level provincial office and their decisions rarely if ever effect most of us here, the power they wield is minimal to the likes of us.

That, however, is not the case at national level where the ever-more conservative turns in state policy are being made. Even at Jakarta level the caricature you describe is simply not the case. Anies Baswedan is extremely well traveled and educated in the US and Japan, his deputy is equally well-traveled and educated, also in the west, he is a hugely successful businessman.

The House of Representatives is filled with men just like them, there are probably more multi-millionaires in the House than in most western parliaments, by a long chalk. These men travel overseas all the time and they don't travel on budget airlines or stay in AirBnB. The same applies to the chiefs of the Army, Police and Drugs squad. Tito Kurniawan of the national Police has a Phd from the University of Singapore, for example, these men own watches worth more than our houses.

These are the men cracking down on our hobby, not some kampung subdistrict chief. They don't worry because unlike us schlubs you won't find them haggling with a mamasan in Classic, they fly their women in from Europe and put them up in the five-star apartment blocks they own, they don't worry about a booze ban because they don't buy their Bintang in Carrefour, they own vineyards in the South of France.

These are serious men, if they have decided that the future of Indonesia will be a lot more proscribed in terms of freedom (our freedom, not theirs obviously), then I fear that is how it will be.

Did you RTFF? Here is a good one from Smoothy recently.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;2147422]Hotel recommendation near action?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2141540]Better place to be to go where? It depends where you want to go. I thought you said you wanted to go to Malioboro and CJs. Alexis is so far north that it's basically in Ancol. The further towards Ancol you get, the further you are away from anything else in Jakarta other than Ancol. (Alexis is closed.) If you intend on spending your time at Golden Crown, Orchardz spa, Club 36, Penjay, Hotel Travel, or Lokasari, then it might make sense sacrificing quality of hotel and staying further north. But Malioboro, Hotel Classic, Emporivm, and places like CJs and BATS are further down and you can get a nicer hotel.

If you want to go to Malioboro, you can stay in a very nice hotel at Harris Vertu right across the street from Malioboro and can walk there. If you want to go from there to Hotel Classic, you just turn left on Jalan Juanda and then left again and you are there in a few minutes. If you want to go to CJs, that is way on the other side of town regardless of where you stay in North Jakarta. There is a bus station right in front of that Harris hotel and you can take the bus to Kota station in about 5 minutes if you so desire. Keep in mind that if you want to stay near Mangga Dua mall (in between Alexis and Golden Crown and the true definition of the "Kota" area), all of the hotels in that area are shitty relative to a hotel like Harris Vertu. It's not as if Malioboro and Golden Crown are far apart. They are not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2147469]Alas if only what you describe were so we would have little to worry about, but it isn't. The type of person you describe certainly exists but not at national decison-making level. The guys you describe run some mid level provincial office and their decisions rarely if ever effect most of us here, the power they wield is minimal to the likes of us.

That, however, is not the case at national level where the ever-more conservative turns in state policy are being made. Even at Jakarta level the caricature you describe is simply not the case. Anies Baswedan is extremely well traveled and educated in the US and Japan, his deputy is equally well-traveled and educated, also in the west, he is a hugely successful businessman.

The House of Representatives is filled with men just like them, there are probably more multi-millionaires in the House than in most western parliaments, by a long chalk. These men travel overseas all the time and they don't travel on budget airlines or stay in AirBnB. The same applies to the chiefs of the Army, Police and Drugs squad. Tito Kurniawan of the national Police has a Phd from the University of Singapore, for example, these men own watches worth more than our houses.

These are the men cracking down on our hobby, not some kampung subdistrict chief. They don't worry because unlike us schlubs you won't find them haggling with a mamasan in Classic, they fly their women in from Europe and put them up in the five-star apartment blocks they own, they don't worry about a booze ban because they don't buy their Bintang in Carrefour, they own vineyards in the South of France.

These are serious men, if they have decided that the future of Indonesia will be a lot more proscribed in terms of freedom (our freedom, not theirs obviously), then I fear that is how it will be.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that HL77 I guess I have a western centric view of the world, I may be naive here but do these men not have any vision for their country?. Does Tito not see corruption as a disease dragging his country backwards? And Anies can play to the hardline vote but the muslim world is not exactly flush with success stories from going down that pathway.

I guess atthe start this was about cracking down on drugs which has quite universal appeal. Will watch with interest.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2147471]Did you RTFF? Here is a good one from Smoothy recently.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I have booked Harris Vertu for May. Hope there is still a scene there then with all the talk about crackdown.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2130261]Beware though of Smoothy's recommendations. Less than four months ago he wrote in a post here "I totally agree with most of your report. Especially the crap shag at Hotel Classic. That's "standard" crap service at that place. Although it's cheap and the girls are young and hot. It's extremely rare to get good sex there. " His most recent post stating "Buy let's get real, there is no better value for money in the entire world than Hotel Classic when you compare" should be read in tandem with his earlier posts (there are many actually) complaining about how bad the service is there.

There are a lot of great places in Jakarta, and it is IMHO overall a better scene than Bangkok although it is difficult to know whether that will continue for long given the real possibility of politically-motivated crackdowns, some of which have already occurred. But as a Jakarta regular, I don't even bother with Classic (or Travel, its competitor for terrible service) anymore.[/QUOTE]Where do you go now?

LAGuy5 obviously still has his panties in a wad since I disagreed with him when he said everyone should carry their passport around with them at all times. (which I still think is a dumb move)

I have always said the service at Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel sucks. Where did I say it was good? It's a rare occasion I go there and take a girl there anymore since it's not worth my time to get star fish service. I value my time more than the dirt cheap price. Most of my Western friends also do not like the service there. However, if you are Asian, you will almost certainly like it. All of my Asian friends think it's great. They care more about the hot young girls and cheap price and disregard the bad service. And the majority of posters here now seem to be Asian rather than Westerners.

Malioboro has better service, but is more expensive. If you want really good service, free lancers around town in places like BATS or CJs or even Tinder are better options.

There are so many places in town and each one varies on the quality of girls at any given time. But the key to the service is how the mamasans handle the girls. The fact that I always get good service at King Cross and always get bad service at Hotel Classic is a direct reflection on the mamasans who train and control those girls. The mamasans at Hotel Classic and Travel are the worst in the city in my opinion. They simply don't care about whether or not the girls provide good service. However, they sure do know their business when it comes to finding young and attractive girls to pimp out.

I like to rotate places, going to different ones rather than sticking to any particular one. I still do go to Hotel Classic and Travel on occasion, but not often. I plan to hit Medika tonight with some local friends.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147780]LAGuy5 obviously still has his panties in a wad since I disagreed with him when he said everyone should carry their passport around with them at all times. (which I still think is a dumb move)[/QUOTE]Got to agree with you there. I travel a lot would never carry my original passport around with me when I am out and about. Way too much hassle if I were to lose it. Never leave it with a hotel front desk either, if they need it, they can photocopy it. The only place for your passport when you travel is under lock and key in your room safe.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2147805]Got to agree with you there. I travel a lot would never carry my original passport around with me when I am out and about. Way too much hassle if I were to lose it. Never leave it with a hotel front desk either, if they need it, they can photocopy it. The only place for your passport when you travel is under lock and key in your room safe.[/QUOTE]Have a guy said to me he carries all his money with him at all times too. He says so he knows where it is. I bet one day he won't know where it all is, but someone else will.

I have a saying "can't help dumb people".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147780] .......However, if you are Asian, you will almost certainly like it. All of my Asian friends think it's great. They care more about the hot young girls and cheap price and disregard the bad service. And the majority of posters here now seem to be Asian rather than Westerners.......[/QUOTE]I am under the impression that Asian men are much more easily satisfied sexually than Western men. Providers who are accustomed to sessioning Asian men will expect you to pump in one position, come and go in short order and that just won't do for me.

My 2 cents and experience. In the past, I have photo ID and copy of passport if just about town. Nowadays, the copy is digital. Less of a problem depending on your race and where you are travelling. If you are likely to get stopped, I would suggest carrying the original. In countries with national ID cards and whereby you are likely to get stopped, I would suggest carrying your passport. By law, some places require you to carry a national ID card. And if you are likely to get stopped and in an unfriendly country, it is not worth the risks.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2147962]My 2 cents and experience. In the past, I have photo ID and copy of passport if just about town. Nowadays, the copy is digital. Less of a problem depending on your race and where you are travelling. If you are likely to get stopped, I would suggest carrying the original. In countries with national ID cards and whereby you are likely to get stopped, I would suggest carrying your passport. By law, some places require you to carry a national ID card. And if you are likely to get stopped and in an unfriendly country, it is not worth the risks.[/QUOTE]I have copied the photo page of my passport and laminated it. I carry that with me at all times.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2147957]I am under the impression that Asian men are much more easily satisfied sexually than Western men. Providers who are accustomed to sessioning Asian men will expect you to pump in one position, come and go in short order and that just won't do for me.[/QUOTE]General to a great degree especially for the last few trips the service I've had at both has gotten better and better. At Maliboro I generally get girls from the spa or at the cheaper price small bar with a live band across the stairways. I must say girl service at Maliboro overall from my experience is a cut below. Now when I go to Classic Terminal / Hotel Travel I use my trusty Google Translate to let them know what I expect and I won't take them if their not agreeable. I generally will be frisky / groping them a bit to get a handle on their accomodative nature plus whether or not the clothing is hiding something I might not like. This seems to work for me and they don't seem to mind. I find Classic Terminal / Hotel Travel girls pretty honest so they won't agreed to something they won't do (unlike the prior KTV girls from Chong Ping who will say anything). Of course every once in awhile I'm seduced by a huge rack leading me to take a leap of faith. Lastly, I don't need or care for deep french kissing but I understand others might.

I go Indonesia very frequent on business. I bet those people criticizing about carrying passport are oblivious to of Indonesian law that requires foreigners to carry a valid ID document in Indonesia, like a KITAS or Passport. A photocopy or digital picture is useless, and if ever caught in a Police check or road check with that, you will be arrested. Nowadays not as easy to bribe cops as before, much more expensive because of politic pressure. So please, go ahead and risk it your own choice, but you will be the one regret if the day comes.

If you don't believe me, see the below video at 3:00 where foreigner arrested in cafe because no passport, despite a photo of it:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq4ENrO2gkg&t=253s[/URL]

[QUOTE=ABCinLA;2148162]I must say girl service at Maliboro overall from my experience is a cut below. Now when I go to Classic Terminal / Hotel Travel I use my trusty Google Translate to let them know what I expect and I won't take them if their not agreeable. I generally will be frisky / groping them a bit to get a handle on their accomodative nature plus whether or not the clothing is hiding something I might not like. This seems to work for me and they don't seem to mind. I find Classic Terminal / Hotel Travel girls pretty honest so they won't agreed to something they won't do.[/QUOTE]If that works for you, why can't you do that same thing at Malioboro?

I think the service at Malioboro is not bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. I've been with over 100 girls at Malioboro. I can only remember two girls at Malioboro who I thought were as bad as the average Hotel Classic/Hotel Travel type of girl in bed. The rest were at least decent. There was one girl at Maliboro with big tits who gave me an awesome rim job. I repeated a few times with her. A few years later, she was working at Hotel Classic. She had gotten a little fat by then but still looked pretty good. Since I had never had a girl at Classic give me a decent rim job ever, I took her for old times sake. The strange thing was that in the room at Classic, she wasn't rimming me. At Malioboro she had gotten right down to business. I told her that her rimming talent was the main reason I took her and that I wanted that. She told me that they weren't supposed to do that at Classic, but she would since she knew me from before. I'm guessing either the girl just got lazy or the mamasans are actually telling the girls not to do certain things at Classic.

Guys,

No response or assistance to my post, maybe as I am a first time poster it being my 1st trip here, but I have been a long time contributor to Australia and Bali as you will see.

Love some tips or details on any privates around Tangerang as there a few days, made contact with a few around Jakarta also as there a few days, but them coming to fruition will be the test as many want- yeah yeah but not so efficient when it comes to crunch time I find. Love a non full on WL ideally.

Your guidance appreciated.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=PedrosNeeds;2142724]Have a function in Tangerang that will require me to book a hotel close by.

Any advice on a good hotel, central to action or meeting ladies, not in to the lat night scene.

Might it be near a Mall or Shopping center where one may snag a gem and non WL?

Cheers.

Pedro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndoSniper;2148168]I go Indonesia very frequent on business. I bet those people criticizing about carrying passport are oblivious to of Indonesian law that requires foreigners to carry a valid ID document in Indonesia, like a KITAS or Passport. A photocopy or digital picture is useless, and if ever caught in a Police check or road check with that, you will be arrested. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I believe that link has been posted here before. Crazy stuff. About 2 years ago, you posted for the first time asking for advice on Indonesia since it was your first visit. I'm curious, how many times have the police asked you for your passport in road blocks or raids in those very frequent visits of the last two years?

I'm not saying something crazy like that video is impossible, but in my opinion, it boils down to whether you think it's more of a risk losing your passport and having the trouble of having to get it replaced (it happened to me once, and it was not something I want to repeat) or the remote possibility of the police hauling you into jail for simply not carrying your passport everywhere you go. My bet would be that less than .001% of all Westerners visiting Jakarta have been hauled into jail for not carrying their passport. However, if everyone carried their passport at all times, I would bet the percentage of people losing their passport would be higher than that. It's also a pain in the ass having to carry that around all the time.

In the last 20 years, I've been asked by the police to see my passport in road blocks about 10 times. I've been caught in 2 raids of brothels as well. I've never been arrested. Most times I pay nothing, sometimes 100 k. One time I actually had my passport by mere coincidence since I had just arrived that day and they still wanted money. Rather than sit there for hours, I gave the guy 100 k. Is there a tiny chance that I would be caught up in "raid" like the one in that video you posted (which was targeting foreigners in an area where a bunch of Nigerians had overstayed their visas for years) and actually hauled to jail? I would say the chances are extremely low. Hanging out in any area where there are a bunch of Nigerians is never a good idea, it's why I avoid Jalan Jaksa altogether. If you are at Jalan Jaksa, you absolutely need to have your passport on you. But that's an exception. There is also a chance you could get blown up by a bomb in Jakarta since there have been bombs. But it's your call whether you should fear those bombs and not visit Jakarta or take a chance and visit.

On another note, did you ever find any good places to go in Tangerang? After you asked about information on places in Tangerang a couple of years ago, you never shared anything about your experiences.

I just carry a digital copy, a photo ID, cash and phone in Indonesia. Also business card. It is a country friendly to western businessmen. And I have been checked by LEO more than once. From what I heard, LEO would take you to your safe in some jurisdictions if required.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2148352]Hanging out in any area where there are a bunch of Nigerians is never a good idea, it's why I avoid Jalan Jaksa altogether. If you are at Jalan Jaksa, you absolutely need to have your passport on you. But that's an exception. There is also a chance you could get blown up by a bomb in Jakarta since there have been bombs. But it's your call whether you should fear those bombs and not visit Jakarta or take a chance and visit.[/QUOTE]As a US person, my photo ID now is my passport card as the US driver's license has lost a lot of its clout since many States are issuing them with lesser scrutiny about being legally in the US. I still remember travelling to Canada and some of the Caribbean Islands on just a US driver's license.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2148151]I have copied the photo page of my passport and laminated it. I carry that with me at all times.[/QUOTE]

I should clarify, I am not encouraging not following the local rules or laws. IMHO, it is only for the passport that the risk of losing it out weighs the trouble of not having it on you in Indonesia. Likewise, I had mine stolen. Unlike Smoothy, I don't drive in Indonesia. Not worth the hassle if I get into an accident. Different risks reward analysis.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2148352]I'm not saying something crazy like that video is impossible, but in my opinion, it boils down to whether you think it's more of a risk losing your passport and having the trouble of having to get it replaced (it happened to me once, and it was not something I want to repeat) or the remote possibility of the police hauling you into jail for simply not carrying your passport everywhere you go. My bet would be that less than .001% of all Westerners visiting Jakarta have been hauled into jail for not carrying their passport. However, if everyone carried their passport at all times, I would bet the percentage of people losing their passport would be higher than that. It's also a pain in the ass having to carry that around all the time.[/QUOTE]

I never carry my passport in Jakarta or any other place other than when I have to pass immigration-the hassle of loss is too high.

For safety I carry a credit card sized copy of front and main ID page, printed on high quality photo paper, and laminated in plastic.

When I travel, I always have that card in my wallet. Shockingly several times I have used it to check into a hotel and even to change money when traveling in a variety of places. I'm actually surprised that it has worked but I continue to carry it. If for no other reason than if I'm found unconscious from a traffic accident, or that 12th shot of Hibiki, at least someone will know which embassy to notify. Surely, not a guarantee for all situations, but a cheap thing that has proven helpful.

Additionally, I keep a pdf of my passport (password protected) on my phone as further back-up.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2148419]I should clarify, I am not encouraging not following the local rules or laws. IMHO, it is only for the passport that the risk of losing it out weighs the trouble of not having it on you in Indonesia. Likewise, I had mine stolen. Unlike Smoothy, I don't drive in Indonesia. Not worth the hassle if I get into an accident. Different risks reward analysis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2147553] I may be naive here but do these men not have any vision for their country?. [/QUOTE]The vision they have of their country is of them running it and making ever more money in the process.

In a democracy, such as it is, in a country like Indonesia that means persuading voters to vote for you. And right now, as with everywhere around the world, conservatism wins votes, only aging liberals like us in our middle-class urban redoubts are still holding out for individual freedoms.

It's all a function of rising prosperity, the middle classes in Indonesia are newly-minted and you don't get more conservative people than a housewife on her first step up the social ladder. She is living in a nice little "cluster" home in some suburb in Depok or Bekasi, she has a Honda Accord parked in the carport, her husband has a decent job in a bank or the government, she has started wearing the jilbab and her kids are at private school.

Now years ago, women like her wouldn't have given a fiddler's fart about drugs, booze and "pornografi" or "free sex", they simply didn't impinge on her life. Decades ago the only people drinking alcohol were bules, Chinese, Christians and deadbeat "preman", no one she need worry about. But then she realized her little darlings were now hanging out in Seven-11 and drinking beer in the evening, that was soon knocked on the head. Drug use was the same, no one she knew took anything stronger than cigarettes and coffee, now shabu-shabu is being handed around at school functions, time for a drug panic.

Same with pornography, no one ever saw any, now their kids are accessing it on their phones, bang! Internet censorship. Equally in the past their husbands wouldn't dare play around as everyone in the kampung would know about it, now Tinder is on his phone and he seems to be spending a lot of evenings with colleagues in business meetings in North Jakarta, time to shut down the red-light districts.

Whipping up a moral panic is the quickest way to get votes and as you won't be affected (particularly as you have just outlawed criticism of the House of Representatives, so no one will dare report on your shenanigans) passing ever more restrictive laws is a cost-free vote winner.

We are living in our cocoon in Jakarta so we don't realise how quickly the rest of the country is changing, but go out to Central and West Java and look at the girls and women dressed from top to toe in very conservative Islamic dress in a way that was simply unimaginable 20 years ago but which is now taken for granted. Try to buy a beer in these places where once it was freely available in corner shops and supermarkets.

I think Jakarta, like Bali, will hold out to a large degree, Batak areas in Sumatra also (although Christian "ibu-ibu" are every bit as conservative as their Muslim sisters), there is simply too much money and vested interests involved, but the scene here will become ever more cramped and the free-wheeling days of old are gone and they ain't coming back.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2148669]I never carry my passport in Jakarta or any other place other than when I have to pass immigration-the hassle of loss is too high.
Additionally, I keep a pdf of my passport (password protected) on my phone as further back-up.[/QUOTE]Excellent idea, that I hadn't thought of. Personally I carry my US Passport Card with my cash and credit cards in a money clip. The passport card isn't a substitute for regular passport except for a handful of nations. But, it is an official US govt. Form of ID. But, I will still do a PDF and keep it on my mobile devices.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147780]LAGuy5 obviously still has his panties in a wad since I disagreed with him when he said everyone should carry their passport around with them at all times. (which I still think is a dumb move)
[/QUOTE]You won't stop will you? What an asshole.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147780]I have always said the service at Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel sucks. Where did I say it was good? **snip**
Malioboro has better service, but is more expensive. If you want really good service, free lancers around town in places like BATS or CJs or even Tinder are better options.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ABCinLA;2148162]General to a great degree especially for the last few trips the service I've had at both has gotten better and better. At Maliboro I generally get girls from the spa or at the cheaper price small bar with a live band across the stairways. I must say girl service at Maliboro overall from my experience is a cut below. Now when I go to Classic Terminal / Hotel Travel I use my trusty Google Translate to let them know what I expect and I won't take them if their not agreeable. I generally will be frisky / groping them a bit to get a handle on their accomodative nature plus whether or not the clothing is hiding something I might not like. This seems to work for me and they don't seem to mind. I find Classic Terminal / Hotel Travel girls pretty honest so they won't agreed to something they won't do (unlike the prior KTV girls from Chong Ping who will say anything). Of course every once in awhile I'm seduced by a huge rack leading me to take a leap of faith. Lastly, I don't need or care for deep french kissing but I understand others might.[/QUOTE]I have agree with Smoothy here. I got one of the most mechanical and rushed service in my mongering career in Classic. And a really great service at Malioboro from the bar the with live band. For newbies I would recommend: "Always bet on Malio. " Classic would cost 330 k without tips and Maliboro bar would cost 620 k (420 k + 200 k tip). 290 k more expensive compared to Classic but worth the decent service I guess.

I have been stopped road check about 5-6 times in Jakarta. My first time I had a phone passport photo and Polis refuse and would bring me to station if no pay money. After I carry my passport or APEC business card and they never ask money or take me in. One time I was accompany two Qatari colleagues who not carry passport for business dinner and the Police bring them to station for a few hours before release. I am not sure if they paid money for release or no. My Office had always advise me to carry proper ID in Jakarta as safety especially around holidays and Ramadan, but people here can choose up to them, but if they get caught they will face some issues.

I do not use this website much because I am busy working in Jakarta or back home I don't care. But even before I can see the environment is toxic, this website not for friendly exchange information, it is a few bullys who control everything and judge everyone, and care more about being right than helping people. I just try add my simple advice and I don't know why you need to research my history or discredit people. It is very disfunctional and I have better thing to do than that. Cheers.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2149021] Classic would cost 330 k without tips and Maliboro bar would cost 620 k (420 k + 200 k tip). 290 k more expensive compared to Classic but worth the decent service I guess.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the total newbie question but I thought Malioboro girls were much more than "620 k (420 k + 200 k tip)". I definitely didn't get quoted that amount albeit my girl was from Malio Club. Will write more when I get some time to do a full FR. small correction, Classic is now 365k.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2148713]We are living in our cocoon in Jakarta so we don't realise how quickly the rest of the country is changing, but go out to Central and West Java and look at the girls and women dressed from top to toe in very conservative Islamic dress in a way that was simply unimaginable 20 years ago but which is now taken for granted. Try to buy a beer in these places where once it was freely available in corner shops and supermarkets.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. I was living in Indonesia up until about 1 year ago, working on a project about 3 hours from Bandung. Every woman in the village wore conservative clothes. We very rarely saw anyone in anything but a Hijib. Even in Bandung you can't buy alcohol at supermarkets or 7-eleven's, you have to go to beer outlets like the ones around Jalan Braga. We didn't even take alcohol back to our camp as we thought the locals may get upset when they saw the empty bottles and cans. Different world to Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2149151]Sorry for the total newbie question but I thought Malioboro girls were much more than "620 k (420 k + 200 k tip)". I definitely didn't get quoted that amount albeit my girl was from Malio Club. Will write more when I get some time to do a full FR. small correction, Classic is now 365k.[/QUOTE]If you go up to the 2nd floor (the floor with the big room where the girls sit). Enter that big room, then Exit that room using the far right doors. Walk straight across to the little room where there is live music. (the room to the right of the elevators) The girls in that room are 425 k. And I think they are just as good as the girls in the big room.

Is that the room named M Club or M Bar or something like that? That's the room where I saw the girls I preferred in Malio Hotel. Problem was my buddy doesn't prefer the younger petite ones and didn't want to stay in the tiny bar.

Thanks Smoothy. That's where I head back to first next time in Malio Hotel.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2149265]If you go up to the 2nd floor (the floor with the big room where the girls sit). Enter that big room, then Exit that room using the far right doors. Walk straight across to the little room where there is live music. (the room to the right of the elevators) The girls in that room are 425 k. And I think they are just as good as the girls in the big room.[/QUOTE]As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I found the girls in the big room more attractive for my taste than the ones in the little room. The ones in the big room were taller for one. However, if my memory serves me right I got better service from the girls in the little room.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2149291]As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I found the girls in the big room more attractive for my taste than the ones in the little room. The ones in the big room were taller for one. However, if my memory serves me right I got better service from the girls in the little room.[/QUOTE]They are taller and whiter in the big room. They throw the darker skinned shorter ones in the small room. (for the most part) But there are some gems in that small room. The problem is that the gems are normally busy as hell, so getting a session with the top girls in the small room is hit or miss. Many times they have bookings with 3 guys already waiting in line for them. I also have found that the girls in the small room give better service. The girls in the big room can be prima donnas (especially if the locals are going crazy over them since they are tall with white skin).

What is the best time to get there, Smoothy? I don't care about skin color, only tit size, small frame.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2149296]The problem is that the gems are normally busy as hell, The girls in the big room can be prima donnas (especially if the locals are going crazy over them since they are tall with white skin).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2149214]Completely agree. I was living in Indonesia up until about 1 year ago, working on a project about 3 hours from Bandung. Every woman in the village wore conservative clothes. We very rarely saw anyone in anything but a Hijib. Even in Bandung you can't buy alcohol at supermarkets or 7-eleven's, you have to go to beer outlets like the ones around Jalan Braga. We didn't even take alcohol back to our camp as we thought the locals may get upset when they saw the empty bottles and cans. Different world to Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I can't comment specifically on Bandung, but I can say one thing for sure about West Java girls. It doesn't matter what they are told to wear on their heads or how to behave in those kampoengs. Once they have worked out how to unzip a man's flies they jump on a bus to Jakarta or another big city.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1938013]I think Auustralia is the only country since last year that has to have a visa. There is no love lost between the two countries and maybe because the Australians are loud also! Haha.[/QUOTE]30 day free on arrival.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2149151]Sorry for the total newbie question but I thought Malioboro girls were much more than "620 k (420 k + 200 k tip)". I definitely didn't get quoted that amount albeit my girl was from Malio Club. Will write more when I get some time to do a full FR. small correction, Classic is now 365k.[/QUOTE]I guess in Malio club you would have been quoted above 3 million IDR for the dancers and 1.2 million for the regular girls. 620 k is for the girls from Malio bar. Quoting Dirk67 for the directions on how to reach Malio bar.

[QUOTE]From the main entrance (by the driveway, south side) if you press 2 on the elevator, you end up at Malio bar and lounge. The elevators open and there's the charge counter. The left side is the live music area that is smaller and has tables of girls sitting around and you can order food and drink. I only noticed a few other customers there and about 15 girls looking bored. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1938013]I think Auustralia is the only country since last year that has to have a visa. There is no love lost between the two countries and maybe because the Australians are loud also! Haha.[/QUOTE]As an Aussie (and I speak here only for myself but am sure many will agree) in 2002 88 Australians were killed in a Bali nightclub. This will never be forgotten. Yes I know Terrorism can happen anywhere, even in Australia.

In the Indonesian press the bombers were called heroes. "On 25 October 2008, Communications and Information Minister asked the Indonesian media to stop calling the three "heroes". ".

There have been other loss of life too in 2005.

We, as Aussies, will be loud and stand up and be counted against this form of barbaric ideological bullshit that plagues our world.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2149265]If you go up to the 2nd floor (the floor with the big room where the girls sit). Enter that big room, then Exit that room using the far right doors. Walk straight across to the little room where there is live music. (the room to the right of the elevators) The girls in that room are 425 k. And I think they are just as good as the girls in the big room.[/QUOTE]Having RTFF, an booked into Harris Vertu as per recommendation, what is smoothy's top 5 as of 2018? Even better if it is not too far from Harris hotel. I have been to almost everywhere else in S E Asia but never Indonesia. I am on my way in May.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;2149492]Having RTFF, an booked into Harris Vertu as per recommendation, what is smoothy's top 5 as of 2018? Even better if it is not too far from Harris hotel. I have been to almost everywhere else in S E Asia but never Indonesia. I am on my way in May.[/QUOTE]Note that Ramadan starts on May 15 this year and last for a month. If you are traveling to Jakarta in May during that period, your selections will be very limited and night life will be duller than usual, and some may not even be opened.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2149517]Note that Ramadan starts on May 15 this year and last for a month. If you are traveling to Jakarta in May during that period, your selections will be very limited and night life will be duller than usual, and some may not even be opened.[/QUOTE]Oh s**t. Will change plans.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;2149884]Oh s**t. Will change plans.[/QUOTE]Ends 14 June but allow for at least 3 days for the celebration of the Eid. 21 June would be my date because some of the girls would not have worked for anywhere between 1 to 5 weeks and rents will be due LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2149946]Ends 14 June but allow for at least 3 days for the celebration of the Eid. 21 June would be my date because some of the girls would not have worked for anywhere between 1 to 5 weeks and rents will be due LOL.[/QUOTE]Another tactic is that shortly before Ramadan the girls will be desperate for cash to fund their trip back to the Kampung. It's a very expensive time for them because they know that when they return everyone will have their hand out for something from the well to do city girl. She will be very reluctant to refuse and dispel the myth.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2149950]Another tactic is that shortly before Ramadan the girls will be desperate for cash to fund their trip back to the Kampung. It's a very expensive time for them because they know that when they return everyone will have their hand out for something from the well to do city girl. She will be very reluctant to refuse and dispel the myth.[/QUOTE]I used that to my advantage in 2014. I bought a plane ticket to Surabaya at the request of one of my favorites and in exchange, she spent the day and night with me. Next morning we took a cab to the airport because I had a flight at the same time to Bali. Her ticket was less than 1 million. Great deal for me.

Friends,

Need a quick help. I have been approached by this guy calling himself Alvin. He is asking for a full deposit in his account before I can book one of his babes. There are some sweet juicy Russians and Uzbek on Illegals Insta account. What is your suggestion bretheren? Can you please advise?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2149946]Ends 14 June but allow for at least 3 days for the celebration of the Eid. 21 June would be my date because some of the girls would not have worked for anywhere between 1 to 5 weeks and rents will be due LOL.[/QUOTE]29 to July 3. Thanks. I think I dodged an arrow about Ramadan.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2150031]Friends,

Need a quick help. I have been approached by this guy calling himself Alvin. He is asking for a full deposit in his account before I can book one of his babes. There are some sweet juicy Russians and Uzbek on Illegals Insta account. What is your suggestion bretheren? Can you please advise?[/QUOTE]Dude are you serious? Treat him like a Nigerian Prince.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2150414]Dude are you serious? Treat him like a Nigerian Prince.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response Rob. Unfortunately, blood rushed downstairs rather than upstairs and I ended up paying him, before I could read your reply.

So far he has been true to his words, he told me he'll send pictures once the money comes in and he did. I am meeting the girl today at a designated point, which is in CBD, so not one of the Mangga Besar (where they rob you of your balls) areas.

I hope everything goes ok. Don't want to land into the hands of mafia and get castrated.

Though if the Instagram account is anything to go by, it has around 1,100 followers.

Shall keep everyone posted in the community how it turns out.

So despite the good advise from rob. I went ahead and got burnt. Modus operandi so others can be safe.

1. Alvin claiming to be from illegals would contact.

2. you deposit money.

3. he'll share photos.

4. next morning he'll call and say that the room rent has gone up, give some more.

5. the time fixed would be of 4 pm.

6. till 2 pm he will continue to engage with you, sending you more pics of the girl and asking you to wait as she is getting ready.

7. two hours prior to the deed. I got blocked on his number, whatsapp as well as instagram account.

8. good lesson learnt.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2150031]Friends, Need a quick help. I have been approached by this guy calling himself Alvin. He is asking for a full deposit in his account before I can book one of his babes. There are some sweet juicy Russians and Uzbek on Illegals Insta account. What is your suggestion bretheren? Can you please advise?[/QUOTE]Are you kidding me? Run away, now.

Baba Loda.

Man sorry you got burnt and a lesson to everyone who is offered this deal, don't do it! The only thing I pre pay for is MacDonalds and I know what I will get. In the P4 P scene pre payment is a nono even if asked for by the girl when you first meet. It allows you to get out if it is a bait and switch or to lower the rate if the experience is under par.

I hope it wasn't too expensive a lesson to be learnt.

I've never understood why anyone would even consider paying up front in any circumstance other than when dealing with a legitimate proven business.

Reminds me of the time my ex-girlfriend wanted to buy a computer from a guy who had an ad online. He only wanted like 2 million for it and it was worth more than that. He asked my girlfriend to send him a bank transfer of 500 k to reserve it and he would bring it to her. I told her that there is no way I would do that. He can arrange for us to meet him somewhere and we will buy it at that time, but no way should she send him any money in advance. She thought it was too good a deal to pass up so she sent him the 500 k from her own bank account. No surprise, after receiving the 500 k, she never heard from the guy again.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2150586]So despite the good advise from rob. I went ahead and got burnt. Modus operandi so others can be safe.

1. Alvin claiming to be from illegals would contact.

2. you deposit money.

3. he'll share photos.

4. next morning he'll call and say that the room rent has gone up, give some more.

5. the time fixed would be of 4 pm.

6. till 2 pm he will continue to engage with you, sending you more pics of the girl and asking you to wait as she is getting ready.

7. two hours prior to the deed. I got blocked on his number, whatsapp as well as instagram account.

8. good lesson learnt.[/QUOTE]If life throws you a lemon, make a lemonade out of it. Lessons learned for you. Do the photos that he sent look real or plucked out from the internet?

Also, I don't know if it is against this forum policy guidelines since it only mentions no email address. Why not post the phone number attached to his WhatsApp account here if it is allowed?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2150958]I've never understood why anyone would even consider paying up front in any circumstance other than when dealing with a legitimate proven business. [/QUOTE]It's exam season in Cebu and I assume elsewhere so many girls on the chat rooms are offering help today visit tomorrow programs. I'd suggest they would have the same outcome.

Sorry guys, brain fade on my part with totally the wrong board. But the intent remains during exam period in Indo

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2150986] Also, I don't know if it is against this forum policy guidelines since it only mentions no email address. Why not post the phone number attached to his WhatsApp account here if it is allowed?[/QUOTE]I don't think our friend Alvin will keep his phonenumber. He can buy simcards anywhere, anytime. And, of course, use a different name.

Looking at booking either the Millenium Sirih or Saripan Pasific for upcoming visit.

Are these lady friendly and near some day time action?

I like shopping centers or malls are they not to far from either?

Cheers,

Pedr.

Hello,

I promised a lady that I met several times a few weeks ago in central Jakarta to write something nice about her here. So here I go.

She is 36. Talkative, funny but serious. Has a day time job but will be able to meet you after work for short or long time. Her English is good! So are her skills.

I can share her whatsapp by personal message.

She prefers older men 40 up.

Greetings,

Frits.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2149950]Another tactic is that shortly before Ramadan the girls will be desperate for cash to fund their trip back to the Kampung. It's a very expensive time for them because they know that when they return everyone will have their hand out for something from the well to do city girl. She will be very reluctant to refuse and dispel the myth.[/QUOTE]I am planning a trip from May 11-14, timed just before the start of Ramadan. Hope it will be a good time to enjoy Jakarta.

Hi guys,

Is Hotel Travel still open and offering the same type of services? Service girls for IDR 350 K for one hour and Massage girls for IDR 250 K for 2 hours?

Cheers in advance.

[QUOTE=PedrosNeeds;2151600]Looking at booking either the Millenium Sirih or Saripan Pasific for upcoming visit.

Are these lady friendly and near some day time action?

I like shopping centers or malls are they not to far from either?

Cheers,

Pedr.[/QUOTE]Neither hotel is great, but both are fine. Usually Millenium is a great hotel anywhere around the world, but not in Jakarta. Sari Pan is an older hotel and I'd say the two are about equal. I'd go with the Sari Pan because you can walk over to Sarinah if you want. It's an old mall, but there are some places to eat and a good place to play pool. Grand Indonesia is the best mall in the city and it's close.

There really is no day action in Jakarta. Nothing starts before 3 pm.

Every hotel in the city is girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Rak22;2151750]I am planning a trip from May 11-14, timed just before the start of Ramadan. Hope it will be a good time to enjoy Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Terrible time to come to Jakarta. For sure every single place in the city will be closed on the 14th. I normally say don't carry your passport, but carry it at that time. There will be plenty of police shakedowns at that time.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2151101]I don't think our friend Alvin will keep his phonenumber. He can buy simcards anywhere, anytime. And, of course, use a different name.[/QUOTE]True that. However I doubt if he would change his instagram handle. So here goes.

Instagram handle name: illegals. Divisispa.

Its cleverly done as there are around 1000 followers on his handle and if you see some of the comments they would tend to make you believe that the person is real and genuine. He added me to the account before cheating me post which he blocked me on the group. Which means if I want to write a review, I can't.

Email: reflects the same name as his instagram account.

It is a significant burn for me. I could have enjoyed authentic Kimochi mabes atleast 5 times with that money. Anyways, no point crying over spilt milk, but sharing it all because I don't want any other brother to get burnt like I did.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2150958]I've never understood why anyone would even consider paying up front in any circumstance other than when dealing with a legitimate proven business.

Reminds me of the time my ex-girlfriend wanted to buy a computer from a guy who had an ad online. He only wanted like 2 million for it and it was worth more than that. He asked my girlfriend to send him a bank transfer of 500 k to reserve it and he would bring it to her. I told her that there is no way I would do that. He can arrange for us to meet him somewhere and we will buy it at that time, but no way should she send him any money in advance. She thought it was too good a deal to pass up so she sent him the 500 k from her own bank account. No surprise, after receiving the 500 k, she never heard from the guy again.[/QUOTE]Valid point Smoothy. Just that when I looked at his instagram account with 1000+ followers and some positive comments I got driven to believe that he may be legit. Of course the fact that the blood rushed southwards rather than northwards, didn't help the case!

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2150986]If life throws you a lemon, make a lemonade out of it. Lessons learned for you. Do the photos that he sent look real or plucked out from the internet?

Also, I don't know if it is against this forum policy guidelines since it only mentions no email address. Why not post the phone number attached to his WhatsApp account here if it is allowed?[/QUOTE]Buddy photos that were on his profile, I double checked by doing a google image search and they did not appear in results, thereby further cementing my belief that may be he is genuine.

Hello Bros,

I'm going to Jakarta next week and I am wondering if some of you know if its still possible to take out girls from Malioboro and other spas.

I think its more enjoyable to have the girls for overnight in my hotel room.

Assume she wants one with a big bank account, with a heart condition, and preferably unmarried!

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;2151741]She prefers older men 40 up.[/QUOTE]

Knew a Indo gal who believed an Indian guy needed some money in order to complete his journey to the US to find an IT job and was offering to marry her. All on social media. Once she sent the money to help him, he disappeared. And this was a serious amount of money. The sad thing is that it was not the first time she got taken for a ride.

It is hard to ague with female logic or optimism.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2150958]Reminds me of the time my ex-girlfriend wanted to buy a computer from a guy who had an ad online. He only wanted like 2 million for it and it was worth more than that. He asked my girlfriend to send him a bank transfer of 500 k to reserve it and he would bring it to her. I told her that there is no way I would do that. He can arrange for us to meet him somewhere and we will buy it at that time, but no way should she send him any money in advance. She thought it was too good a deal to pass up so she sent him the 500 k from her own bank account. No surprise, after receiving the 500 k, she never heard from the guy again.[/QUOTE]

I noticed that Saturday, April 14 is Isra and mi'raj in Indonesia. Are Jakarta spas and bars usually open or closed on National holidays?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2151919]Terrible time to come to Jakarta. For sure every single place in the city will be closed on the 14th. I normally say don't carry your passport, but carry it at that time. There will be plenty of police shakedowns at that time.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy for letting me know about May 14th. I will try to leave a day earlier to my next stop. Bangkok.

I hope 12-13th May (Sat-Sun) will be OK in Jakarta.

Going to be in Jakarta next week. Anyone can recommend a good outcall massage service to hotel. Pretty girls with happy ending?

[QUOTE=JonahLee;2153583]Going to be in Jakarta next week. Anyone can recommend a good outcall massage service to hotel. Pretty girls with happy ending?[/QUOTE]Why don't you stay at FM 7 by the airport for at least a night to get me info on the place as they do have a sauna with girls provided.

[QUOTE=JonahLee;2153583]Going to be in Jakarta next week. Anyone can recommend a good outcall massage service to hotel. Pretty girls with happy ending?[/QUOTE]You could go on Tinder and set your search for girls 18 to 21. Quite a few of the girls shown that look like models will actually be pimp massage services. They will send a girl to your room.

Looking for some help about Colosseum /1001. I'm planning on going one night when I am in town in April (theres a dj I really like) and I don't want to worry about getting jacked by the police or having any other problems getting back to the Hyatt, so I'm going to just sleep near the club and leave in the afternoon when I wake up. Money isn't an issue.

I'm trying to book a room, and for the life of me cannot figure it out. I searched on 1001 and don't get any hotel to show up (agoda, expedia, google, etc). K7 doesn't work either, and the Colosseum website doesn't help. Anybody know how I can book this online, or worst case scenario, can I just show up a bit early and book a room before I get wasted? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I used to love going for a sauna, steam and hot stone massage at Delta spa. The one at Gatot Sabroto was great but it's closed down. I hear the one at Grand Wijaya closed down. The one near Mangga Dua mall is a dump and so is the one at Harmoni. Does anyone know any good Delta massage places still left that also have sauna and steam room? I'd like to find a good one. However, can anyone verify that the hot stone massage is now 915,000 rupiah rather than the 500,000 it used to be? If that's the case, I'm done with the place even if there is still a nice facility remaining. I visited the one at Harmoni last week and they wanted 915k with no sauna or steam room. I will admit the therapists were very hot, but I wasn't there for that so I left. I have never seen therapists that hot at any other Delta so I am thinking perhaps that 915k was only the rate at harmoni since their girls are there for sex more than giving a massage. Just a guess.

[QUOTE=Hulk2211;2155278]Looking for some help about Colosseum /1001. I'm planning on going one night when I am in town in April (theres a dj I really like) and I don't want to worry about getting jacked by the police or having any other problems getting back to the Hyatt, so I'm going to just sleep near the club and leave in the afternoon when I wake up. Money isn't an issue.

I'm trying to book a room, and for the life of me cannot figure it out. I searched on 1001 and don't get any hotel to show up (agoda, expedia, google, etc). K7 doesn't work either, and the Colosseum website doesn't help. Anybody know how I can book this online, or worst case scenario, can I just show up a bit early and book a room before I get wasted? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I assume that DJ is Zedd. I wish I can be there to attend his performance. Anyway, I don't think 1001 is a hotel in a traditional sense that you book like ordinary hotel. They are mostly rooms that are designed for you to use during the events that you want to have a session with their on site girls. Again, I might be wrong. In any case, there should not be any problem for you to get on a taxi from 1001 to your hotel. It is pretty safe and as long as you use Bluebird taxi. Just book a decent hotel like Merkure hotel along Hayam Wuruk or Gajah Mada, or Mangga Dua, and hotels there are very close to 1001.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2154289]You could go on Tinder and set your search for girls 18 to 21. Quite a few of the girls shown that look like models will actually be pimp massage services. They will send a girl to your room.[/QUOTE]From reading here I discovered from WEchat you can get a girl to come to your room at a price of: Massage 200/300 + sex 300- 500 for sex = 600- 800 total.

What prices would I be paying for the Tinder girls. Same or via a pimp I would assume slightly more?

[QUOTE=JonahLee;2153583]Going to be in Jakarta next week. Anyone can recommend a good outcall massage service to hotel. Pretty girls with happy ending?[/QUOTE]Hi Jonah,

Are you looking for massage or girl in your room. I know one free lancer who provide good incall service either on ST or LT.

Let me know if you are intrested to have her details then PM me.

Thanks.

James.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2155537]From reading here I discovered from WEchat you can get a girl to come to your room at a price of: Massage 200/300 + sex 300- 500 for sex = 600- 800 total.

What prices would I be paying for the Tinder girls. Same or via a pimp I would assume slightly more?[/QUOTE]The pimps are actually cheaper. Mainly because their girls are kampung girls not smart enough to use Tinder themselves rather than a fairly clever girl who can setup her own Tinder account. The pimp girl gets 300 for sex and the pimp gets the rest depending on what he negotiates with you. They are the same pimps that are on wechat so it's exactly the same price. They will negotiate price for full sex before even coming, so it's not a 200 + an extra charge for sex, it's a flat fee for sex inclusive.

If you try for a girl who says she will only give you a massage, those are the ones who will want between 200 and 300. There is no guarantee of sex, but it's probably still likely if you want it. They again, are the exact same price as the wechat girls.

Tinder has a lot of girls who are just normal girls though looking for either a boyfriend or money to pay the bills who will not give you a massage but can still be coerced into sex (either free or for a fee). I don't find many girls like that on wechat. Price is up to you. Ranges from free to into the millions for the girls who think they are special.

Jakarta veterans: I am chating now with one of my girlfriends in JK who is telling me that she knows of at least 2 prositutes who have been working with the police and setting up Bules for drug busts that require big time bribes to get out of. Does anyone think that happens? She claims that the girls get themselves invited up to a foreigner's hotel room and 10 minutes later the police are banging on the door and dragging the mark down to the police station where he will either be charged or forced to pay lots of money to be released. The woman will have planted drugs in the guys possession or the police will just claim they found them.

Ever hear any stories like that? This girl lives in North Jakarta and I gather these are freelancers who she claims make a regular practice of this.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2155673]Jakarta veterans: I am chating now with one of my girlfriends in JK who is telling me that she knows of at least 2 prositutes who have been working with the police and setting up Bules for drug busts that require big time bribes to get out of. Does anyone think that happens? She claims that the girls get themselves invited up to a foreigner's hotel room and 10 minutes later the police are banging on the door and dragging the mark down to the police station where he will either be charged or forced to pay lots of money to be released. The woman will have planted drugs in the guys possession or the police will just claim they found them.

Ever hear any stories like that? This girl lives in North Jakarta and I gather these are freelancers who she claims make a regular practice of this.[/QUOTE]I haven't heard any stories like this one specifically, but do know of at least one instance where a policeman tried planting something at the airport in the hopes of later turning it into a bribe (not really at liberty to give out details).

What worries me is that although the present government's anti-corruption actions have had some effect, it likely is causing governmental officials to find more creative (and perhaps safer) ways of extorting bribes, particularly given many of them had to go into debt to pay the bribes they needed to get their positions in the first place. And they were counting on using bribe money they received to pay off these debts. A vicious circle for sure, and one that might encourage the sort of police behavior you describe.

Incidentally, based on your sense of the girlfriend who told you this, how likely do you think her story is actually true?

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2155673]Jakarta veterans: I am chating now with one of my girlfriends in JK who is telling me that she knows of at least 2 prositutes who have been working with the police and setting up Bules for drug busts that require big time bribes to get out of. Does anyone think that happens?

Ever hear any stories like that? This girl lives in North Jakarta and I gather these are freelancers who she claims make a regular practice of this.[/QUOTE]This is standard practice for people who pizz off the wrong people but I would be surprised to find it happen randomly to some poor guy that just took a girl back to his room.

You hear a lot about small drug busts in Bali and Jakarta where a long term resident is found with a couple of jonts or a small amount of coke in his house. Invariably there is a ripped off business partner, girls treated roughly or an embarrassed ex-boyfriend not being mentioned.

My first comment after a couple of nights in North Jakarta is I haven't seen so much petty bickering and lack of clarity among local staff.

1. Marlioboro. The girls they're bringing in are definitely Division 2 material. Heavily padded bra's and Hockey pants don't add anything. The 2nd floor curtain / privacy space that cost 20 ladies drinks has been shut down. Curtains remain open.

So you get sent to the third floor if you're daft enough to pay the 20 drinks like me. The lady room manager wasn't impressed by this move, as it's interfering with her business She demanded I should only expect 15 minutes access to the room for 20 drinks and for BBBJ. I could see she was trying to bully me and had to stand my ground. After remonstrations and a verbal standoff in Betawi which ashamed everyone else on the floor, I agreed one of the big Buddhas had to resolve. I made it clear to Buddha I would take around half an hour to finish as I wasn't reliable like the sunrise.

He runs the place and initially I was surprised he took the lady floor managers side. It was only after I said that it looked like the tail was wagging the dog and he wasn't in control of the club that he smiled and changed his mind.

BBBJ was very good.

2. Illigals. Smoky overpriced shithole, nothing else to say but avoid.

3. Tease club, Empo- Major body blow for me. They've shut the darn place down! The big new club that's taken years to build on the 5th floor is now open, Despite all the staff treating me like a long lost friend and offering a complimentary drink this new club sucks, unless you like listening to Bon Jovi covers and being blinded by the an expensive lighting system. I didn't stay around for the sexy dancers. I'll miss those secret little private rooms behind Tease. The new policy as with Malio is to hire a "bedroom". Can't see the naked lesbian shows returning in a hurry.

4. Classic, I'm not a regular but still had some time on my hands. 2nd floor Good atmosphere, had to negotiate hard and struggle to find a willing partner for BBBJ. It's only when I mentioned I was circumcised did the cheap farm girls agree. So there's a tip lads.

Classic costs peanuts. Had a few beers with some off duty police officers who said everyone's income had dropped drastically which maybe explains all the moody staff I came across.

5. Kota Indah. The aquariums are all "under renovation" forcing the girls into the public bars and tables. No one seems to have got the hang of things, and the girls scuttle around like chickens without a mother. A sober Filipino sailor wandered into Royale and sat at the bar as one does to drink. 10 minutes later he's getting shouted at by a Mamasan that either he swiftly goes upstairs or pay to drink with his "booked" partner. I don't think he even realised the WG next to him was there.

One year ago I would have found this funny but now it is concerning.

So on ordering some great fried pidgeon I was tempted by one girl who also had her sister on-site. But Sister wouldn't double up as she worked in "recruitment".

Kota Indah is still a good afternoon warm up venue. On enquiring I was told twice that the pole dancers have all gone to work in Batam. They'll be disappointed when they get there as I believe the pay is miserable and cougar dancers aren't given the recognition they deserve.

Follow up on hotels with executive lounges next maybe.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2155755]Tease club, Empo- Major body blow for me. They've shut the darn place down! The big new club that's taken years to build on the 5th floor is now open, Despite all the staff treating me like a long lost friend and offering a complimentary drink this new club sucks, unless you like listening to Bon Jovi covers and being blinded by the an expensive lighting system. I didn't stay around for the sexy dancers. I'll miss those secret little private rooms behind Tease. The new policy as with Malio is to hire a "bedroom". Can't see the naked lesbian shows returning in a hurry.
[/QUOTE]Terrible news. Out of all the bars in Jakarta Tease was the one I didn't mind spending time in. The staff was super friendly and professional. No pushy mamasans. Reminded me the most of a gogo bar in Thailand. The girls were only soso and the ladydrinks a bit expensive but a great place to chill out in between my sessions at Classic and Travel.

Any other bars like Tease in Jakarta?

[QUOTE=UsPete;2155755]On enquiring I was told twice that the pole dancers have all gone to work in Batam. They'll be disappointed when they get there as I believe the pay is miserable and cougar dancers aren't given the recognition they deserve.[/QUOTE]One of my former semi regulars was a dancer at KI among other venues such as classic, golden hands, etc. Since I am pretty much always awake all night, she would occasionally come to my place after work. She started coming over when she was 20, but I think she's around 23 now. Tight package for sure. She has indeed been relocated to Batam. She seems to enjoy it there because she is now making much more money. They don't have her working as a dancer though, she is working karaoke. She claims the other girls she danced with in Jakarta are also there. She has some Singaporean guy she met there who paid to get her a passport and is bringing her to Singapore on occasion now. She said he is "royal" and paid recently to get a house built in Indramayu. I don't know if the other girls have been as lucky, but it seems she's not wanting to return to Jakarta any time soon. If so, good for them, they were making peanuts as dancers in Jkt.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2155755]
So you get sent to the third floor if you're daft enough to pay the 20 drinks like me.

It was only after I said that it looked like the tail was wagging the dog and he wasn't in control of the club that he smiled and changed his mind.

had to negotiate hard and struggle to find a willing partner for BBBJ. It's only when I mentioned I was circumcised did the cheap farm girls agree. So there's a tip lads.[/QUOTE]1) yes, you are daft to do that. LOL But I do daft things as well, so who am I to judge?

2) I'll have to use that one in the future!

3) That's good advice. I'd never thought of that as a selling point, but I have noticed recently that the girls often comment in the room that they are surprised I am circumsized. Obviously it does make a difference to them.

I will be in Jakarta for a few nights in April and a few nights in May.

I have 3 nights in April.

Wed at Shagri-la, Thu at Falatehan & Friday at Hotel Mulia.

I have a room booked at Hotel Falethan on a Thursday as I had done before when I worked in Indonesia in 2014.

With the demise of Blok M I am reading about here, I am considering cancelling that reservation and staying elsewhere.

Should I cancel at Falatehan?

I was recently drinking with a buddy from out of town on a random weekday and he heard about Classic, having failed to talk him out of it on grounds of horrible service I figured I'll just tag along for the ride and have a few beers while waiting for him to be disappointed. As it was his first time in a place like that I tried to give him a few points on the ride over, but well. Kids in a candy-shop are hard to control. Him not being able to speak any Indonesian whatsoever didn't help matters either.

Parked on the 5th floor and walked straight into the club. Even before we sat down and ordered our drinks, each of us had 2 girls around us and a swarm of mami's trying to get attention. I was reasonably successful in getting rid of them, but my friend not so much. He was loving the attention and refused any help to get rid of his pembantu looking leaches. Is it SOP for the ugliest ones to get the first shot? Obviously the girls were nagging him to go to the room within 10 minutes when he finally came to his senses and got rid of them. They weren't even properly off of his lap yet when one of the dancers passing by grabbed his crotch, got his hand on her tits and he was on the hook for 10 shots within a matter of minutes. Classic. In all fairness he was fine with it, but you need to be strong and keep saying no in places like this if you just want to have a beer while getting the lay of the land.

I have had too many bad experiences with places like Classic and Travel and avoid going there as much as possible, usually sticking to just drinking while my buddies do their thing if unavoidable. That was until I saw this really smoking hot chick being introduced by a mami to the guy on the next table. Tall even without the heels, long white legs, flat stomach, perky tits without fillers in the bra and a killer face. I was hooked. I understand fully well that judging a girl on her looks in this place is pretty much a recipe for disaster and disappointment, but sometimes you have one of those moments where you just don't care about the service and you'll happily pay the 350 k to just get her naked. Called the mami over and got lucky that the neighbour went for the chubby one.

Now the mami I mentioned earlier was pretty useless for 2 reasons. The first reason was that despite giving her a description of my friends' preferences she came back 4 times with the total opposite of his preferences. He finally just started walking around and picked the first girl he liked that smiled at him. The second reason was in regards to my girl, my girl had hesitations to go with me (more on that later) which I could see from her body language and conversation with the mami after introductions. The mami however just pushed her towards me and pretty much told her that she had no choice. Now something like that just doesn't sit right in my book, no matter how hot she is I won't force her to come with me against her will and told this to the mami. I made it clear that she shouldn't force her girls to do something that they are uncomfortable with and if the girl really doesn't want to go with me, there's many other fish in the sea. Mami wasn't happy. I said the same thing to the girl, who paused and looked at me for a few seconds after which a huge smile appeared on her face followed by a hug in which she whispered "kamu orangnya baik, aku gak takut lagi kalau naik ama kamu". (You are a good person, I'm not afraid anymore to go to the room with you).

So, with my buddy finally provided for it was time to go to the rooms, the moment she locked the door she literally jumped me and started kissing me. Not just a peck, no, deep french kissing. Things got pretty hot in the room and literally everything was on the menu, although it did take some time as she was unbelievably tight. Even just a finger was difficult. But with enough spit (she had no lube.) we made it work. Bareback blowjob, bareback fucking, creampie, the whole nine yards. Funny thing is that at the beginning she did take a condom out of her purse, started to unwrap it during the BJ, only to put it on her fingers and finger my ass during the BJ causing me to almost shoot early.

She claimed to be born in Jakarta to Manadonese parents, 19 years of age and only started working there 3 weeks prior as a side-job to be able to pay for university. Can be true, can be a total lie, don't really care. I doubt she'll be there long if it's true and someone will put her up in an apartment in the city as a side chick.

What is the lesson learned? Classic will be shit for 99% of the time, but you do sometimes get lucky and meet that 1% and be surprised.

My buddy? Said the service was horrible and swore to never go back there. You win some, you lose some.

Random tip: If you like whiter asian girls, my tip is to not look at the face or arms but at the feet if possible. They normally use a shitload of make-up and whitening creams on their face / arms to make them appear whiter but once the clothes come off their real colour shows, which for me is a turnoff. I've found that they never do anything about the feet and that's a dead give-away.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2156231]
My buddy? Said the service was horrible and swore to never go back there. You win some, you lose some.[/QUOTE]You should have taken him directly back and made sure he got your girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2156248]You should have taken him directly back and made sure he got your girl.[/QUOTE]That's what I suggested but he has this thing about going with a girl that his mates have been with.

For me they're all born again virgins after a shower.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2155964]I will be in Jakarta for a few nights in April and a few nights in May.

I have 3 nights in April.

Wed at Shagri-la, Thu at Falatehan & Friday at Hotel Mulia.

I have a room booked at Hotel Falethan on a Thursday as I had done before when I worked in Indonesia in 2014.

With the demise of Blok M I am reading about here, I am considering cancelling that reservation and staying elsewhere.

Should I cancel at Falatehan?[/QUOTE]In short, yes. Girls moved on. Remember the 1968 song 'Those were the days my friend. '?

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2156272]That's what I suggested but he has this thing about going with a girl that his mates have been with.

For me they're all born again virgins after a shower.[/QUOTE]Since you had just cum inside her, it would probably be advisable to wait until the next day. However, the next day would have been fine, provided he got there early enough before she had a twat full of some other guy's jizz.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2155755]My first comment after a couple of nights in North Jakarta is I haven't seen so much petty bickering and lack of clarity among local staff.
3. Tease club, Empo- Major body blow for me. They've shut the darn place down! The big new club that's taken years to build on the 5th floor is now open, Despite all the staff treating me like a long lost friend and offering a complimentary drink this new club sucks, unless you like listening to Bon Jovi covers and being blinded by the an expensive lighting system. I didn't stay around for the sexy dancers. I'll miss those secret little private rooms behind Tease. The new policy as with Malio is to hire a "bedroom". Can't see the naked lesbian shows returning in a hurry.
[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more, the new Tease is awful. Spent about 2 hours there drinking with some girls a Saturday night 3 weeks ago, it was no fun at all. I would rather burn the same amount of money in Malio club for much more fun. Visited Malio a few night before, me and my friend had 3-4 girls each for about 2 hours. Yes it is a bit expensive but wow you can have a lot of fun. Split in two it still isn't too bad.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2155755]
Classic costs peanuts. Had a few beers with some off duty police officers who said everyone's income had dropped drastically which maybe explains all the moody staff I came across.[/QUOTE]It really is astonishing how quiet these places have become, and given the new regulation that Anies has passed, which gives the city authority to shut down any premises (even multiple-venue places) on the basis of any report, be it in the media or some busy-body sending a whatsapp message, of drug use or prostitution without any need for verification and without appeal I can only surmise the big meat markets' days are numbered.

That's fine, we'll get over it, the same way we got over Blok M dying. We have our smartphones and so have tens of thousands of girls who desperately need money, if Anies thinks he will clean up Jakarta from vice, good luck to him. I have a teaspoon he can borrow if he also fancies his chances at emptying the ocean.

The market has an unerring way of winning. It will take some ingenuity at first, and cause a little bit of inconvenience (let's face it Classic was only an option when we were too damn lazy to look for something better) but we'll win in the end and we will wonder why we ever worried about it.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2157545]It really is astonishing how quiet these places have become[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure. I do think the places are missing the guys who went there just to watch the dancers, but I'm not so sure the girls are not getting many customers for sex. I visited a few weeks ago and asked the girl I went with how long she had worked there. She said she had been there almost a year now. I asked her how many guys she has sex with there in a day. She claimed to average 7 a day and said she had never been with less than 5 in a day and her record was 11 in a day. She said she had worked at Malioboro for 3 years prior to Classic and preferred Classic because although she received less per shag, she got a lot more customers. She said she averaged 3 at Malioboro where they charged a million for her in the big room, that on occasion she had no customers at Malioboro, and her record there was 7.

Sounds like she is pretty busy these days.

I will say though that I do have some Indonesian friends who no longer go to those places because the only thing they wanted to see was the nude dancers.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2157545]It really is astonishing how quiet these places have become, and given the new regulation that Anies has passed, which gives the city authority to shut down any premises (even multiple-venue places) on the basis of any report, be it in the media or some busy-body sending a whatsapp message, of drug use or prostitution without any need for verification and without appeal I can only surmise the big meat markets' days are numbered[/QUOTE]Agreed!, he certainly has them rattled, The aquariums are all darkened and you need to pick your girls from a darkened room. But then it isn't called the worlds oldest profession for nothing. OS just spent a fantastic night in favourite Jakarta haunt and my best avice would be to take some time to build a relationship with a good Mami, that's not splashing money around like you are King Pring but being respectful, a good Mami can be your friend. Once they know you are OK they can keep the sweeties flowing like you wouldn't believe. Having spent a fair bit of time in these places, the dynamics of human nature are the same as anywhere, here's where Indonesians stand out as they are some of the most socialised people you will ever meet. And given that our craft was practised in Indonesia long before anybody colonised the place I concur with HL77, I'm just going to miss the convenience of the mongering version of a Macdonalds drive through.

It seems that a lot of the population would rather live beside a mosquito filled drain and complain about the corruption as long as their leadership is from the right faith. Than accept vision and progress from a leader of the wrong faith. The risk is the further they get left behind the more they need somebody or something to blame.

Fortunately for us, you can get a full nutsack even when you live next to a dirty old drain and sometimes late at night when they are all tired of swatting mosquitoes, guess what？.

Hello guys,

This is my first forum in this country page, so please help a bit as I am coming for 1 week to Jakarta so need a help regarding mongering in a budget so want to have fun and coming for 1st time so want to know the places for full service and want to try also massage and other street hookers also. So please help in sharing in info and would be given info of India (Ahmedabad) so please help its urgent.

I have just been back in Jakarta after an absence of a year and a half.

On the second floor of Classic, my old favorite haunt (I like to plough through large volumes of girls), the girls no longer sat on couches along the walls but at the high tables. It was also darker than before and not so easy to see the girls. Mamasans are as pushy as before and now it is a bit more difficult to scan the girls. However, I had quite a nice time there.

King's Cross was a disappointment. Not very friendly. One really has to engage a papa / mamasan to get through to the girls.

Sumo ditto, and really very few girls and not many of the attractive. This may have been because it was a Sunday, they claimed so, IDK.

Malio was ok, same as before but much fewer girls in the part I used to like (closer to the main road).

Travel was a surprise. I have always found that it had a large number of very attractive girls, but that service was so consistently bad and cold that it must be due to special training aimed at bad service. However, this time it was different. Like many of the other places, Travel was also a little dark. Like Classic they had changed the system, with girls no longer sitting on the fenced off couches, but rather sitting on couches along the wall right by the tables. It was much more interactive, everybody was really friendly and service in the room was consistently great. Towards the end of the evening I was accosted by a girl who really wanted me to take her newbie friend to the room because she thought I would do a nice job of introducing her to the work. I resisted but ultimately obliged and it was a beautiful inexperienced girl next door GFE type of experience.

Conclusions: I was there too short to draw very strong conclusions, but the impression was fewer girls, slightly less attractive girls on average, a bit more subdued atmosphere, darker but still good fun. Only one girl didn't want BBBJ / French kissing / DATY. I always cleared these things before going to the room and often the response was enthusiastic. The world of mongering is going downhill (not just Indonesia), but hasn't ended yet.

Next time I think I need to get into the Tinder / Wechat universe, but it seems rather inefficient if you want to go somewhere and sleep with 3 girls in 3 hours, picking the ones you have best chemistry with out of 50 others.

This has been my observation, too, Cuke. I thought it just might be me but the more I travel to the same places the worse it gets especially, Vietnam, PI, Cambodia. More expensive and less GFE beauties. Still you can get lucky once in a while and it still beats the hell out of the fat ass psychotics in the USA So, grab it while you can, amigos. Try to get a line-up of regulars if you go to the same place often enough. Well, to each his own.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2158059] The world of mongering is going downhill (not just Indonesia), but hasn't ended yet.[/QUOTE]

As next week I am coming to Jakarta and would be staying for 1 week and I would be free after 2 days so want to monger. But as it is first time so I have no idea of anything about mongering in Jakarta so a help would be a great for me and interested in massage specially and then street hookers but in budget so a help would be great. And how much would be costing of one full day mongering. Please help by sharing info as I am coming for the first time.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2158059]
King's Cross was a disappointment. Not very friendly. One really has to engage a papa / mamasan to get through to the girls.

Sumo ditto, and really very few girls and not many of the attractive. This may have been because it was a Sunday, they claimed so, IDK.[/QUOTE]Sunday sucks everywhere. But the fact that the mamasans are not aggressive at King Cross is one of the reasons I like it. When I see a girl I like, I will find a mamasan and get the girl brought over to me. If I don't find a mamasan near, I just walk over to the girl and wave her over to sit with me. There is really no need for a mamasan at that place (or any place for that matter). The girls are easy enough to view there without one.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2155499]I assume that DJ is Zedd. I wish I can be there to attend his performance. Anyway, I don't think 1001 is a hotel in a traditional sense that you book like ordinary hotel. They are mostly rooms that are designed for you to use during the events that you want to have a session with their on site girls. Again, I might be wrong. In any case, there should not be any problem for you to get on a taxi from 1001 to your hotel. It is pretty safe and as long as you use Bluebird taxi. Just book a decent hotel like Merkure hotel along Hayam Wuruk or Gajah Mada, or Mangga Dua, and hotels there are very close to 1001.[/QUOTE]So I wrote the girl that took my table booking at Colosseum, and she said you can book a room by calling directly and provided a phone number. So, looks like 1001 has rooms.

Have another question which I couldn't find an answer for, so looking for help. I'm landing at 11:30 pm on a Thursday and staying at the Grand Hyatt. I'm guessing I will be checked in by maybe 1 am (no clue though) Wondering if places like Malioboro are even open, and if so, any good that late, or am I better off going to BATS or CJs? At that time of night, I likely won't be too picky, on both looks or price. Just looking to get something done quickly, so would lean towards Classic / Travel / Marioboro if those are options. BATS / CJs is more work, but at least I know they are open.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hulk2211;2158313]So I wrote the girl that took my table booking at Colosseum, and she said you can book a room by calling directly and provided a phone number. So, looks like 1001 has rooms.

Have another question which I couldn't find an answer for, so looking for help. I'm landing at 11:30 pm on a Thursday and staying at the Grand Hyatt. I'm guessing I will be checked in by maybe 1 am (no clue though) Wondering if places like Malioboro are even open, and if so, any good that late, or am I better off going to BATS or CJs? At that time of night, I likely won't be too picky, on both looks or price. Just looking to get something done quickly, so would lean towards Classic / Travel / Marioboro if those are options. BATS / CJs is more work, but at least I know they are open.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Looks like you want to get some action fast, LOL. Anyway, CJ is opened until 3 AM on Thursday and there would still be freelancers there, though the herd may thin out by then. The standard price for these FL is typically 2 million Rp. Overnight, but you can probably get it for less by the time you get there as it approaches closing time. BATS is nearer to Hyatt though CJ is not too far away either, but they close at 2 AM if not mistaken. I have not been to BATS, so I cannot tell what you will get there. I would recommend that you go to the other establishments like Malioboro, Classic etc the next day at an earlier time. 2 AM is too late for those places anyway. Other Jakarta vets can probably provide feedback of the safety in and around those areas at this time of the night, particularly if you are traveling alone. I will feel safe traveling only between Hyatt and CJ via taxi during those wee hours. Make sure you only get on Bluebird taxis.

[QUOTE=JeetYoyo;2158035]Hello guys,

This is my first forum in this country page, so please help a bit as I am coming for 1 week to Jakarta so need a help regarding mongering in a budget so want to have fun and coming for 1st time so want to know the places for full service and want to try also massage and other street hookers also. So please help in sharing in info and would be given info of India (Ahmedabad) so please help its urgent.[/QUOTE]Hi Jeet,

You need to subscribed to ISG so forum team can give you direct contact number of independent.

I have a number for one of them let me know if you want it to be shared.

Best wishes.

[QUOTE=Hulk2211;2158313]So I wrote the girl that took my table booking at Colosseum, and she said you can book a room by calling directly and provided a phone number. So, looks like 1001 has rooms.

Have another question which I couldn't find an answer for, so looking for help. I'm landing at 11:30 pm on a Thursday and staying at the Grand Hyatt. I'm guessing I will be checked in by maybe 1 am (no clue though) Wondering if places like Malioboro are even open, and if so, any good that late, or am I better off going to BATS or CJs? At that time of night, I likely won't be too picky, on both looks or price. Just looking to get something done quickly, so would lean towards Classic / Travel / Marioboro if those are options. BATS / CJs is more work, but at least I know they are open.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I had some information I could have shared privately but not on the public forum, but you can't receive PMs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2158470]I had some information I could have shared privately but not on the public forum, but you can't receive PMs.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy. Yeah. I live in Hong Kong and my home forum is a local forum so I do most of my posting there I'm a newb on this forum. Haven't gotten around to a subscription although Ill check it out.

Thanks for the info GG. Looks like I'll just hit CJs and see if theres anyone worthy. From what I can tell, opinions are very mixed on CJs quality. We have similar joints in HK (Escape, HK Cafe, Sparks, Neptune 3, etc) Escape is the high end, and the best girls there will often try to hold out for 5 mil juta for overnight, so for 2 mil for overnight, she doesn't need to be a supermodel for me. No big deal if theres no one I like. Theres always another night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2158274]Sunday sucks everywhere. But the fact that the mamasans are not aggressive at King Cross is one of the reasons I like it. When I see a girl I like, I will find a mamasan and get the girl brought over to me. If I don't find a mamasan near, I just walk over to the girl and wave her over to sit with me. There is really no need for a mamasan at that place (or any place for that matter). The girls are easy enough to view there without one.[/QUOTE]Which do you prefer for mongering, Indonesia or Thailand?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2158655]Which do you prefer for mongering, Indonesia or Thailand?[/QUOTE]This has been discussed many times on this forum with myself and many others giving their opinions. If you search back, there were some good discussions. I prefer Thailand.

[QUOTE=Hulk2211;2158488]Thanks Smoothy. Yeah. I live in Hong Kong and my home forum is a local forum so I do most of my posting there I'm a newb on this forum. Haven't gotten around to a subscription although Ill check it out.

Thanks for the info GG. Looks like I'll just hit CJs and see if theres anyone worthy. From what I can tell, opinions are very mixed on CJs quality. We have similar joints in HK (Escape, HK Cafe, Sparks, Neptune 3, etc) Escape is the high end, and the best girls there will often try to hold out for 5 mil juta for overnight, so for 2 mil for overnight, she doesn't need to be a supermodel for me. No big deal if theres no one I like. Theres always another night.[/QUOTE]Let us know how it goes for you with this trip, and hopefully your post will be as good as your last one. The girls in the looks department in CJ can be hit or miss. I do find higher probability of better girls on Ladies night (Wednesdays). I prefer the GFE type and usually tend to bump into a few good ones there.

I am new to Jakarta and am here for 2-3 days with some colleagues / clients from the US. One of my colleague mentioned that Jakarta is one of the most happening places in Asia and that we should have fun while we are here. If money was not a concern, is there a place / pick up joint for some good looking girls that want to hang out while we are in Jakarta, have a good time. Going to dinners, clubs and staying in nice hotels for 2-3 days? I have read the last few hundred pages on the forum and come to the conclusion that CJ's and Bats are the only options. Anything else you experienced mongers can suggest?

[QUOTE=Sacking;2159004]I am new to Jakarta and am here for 2-3 days with some colleagues / clients from the US. One of my colleague mentioned that Jakarta is one of the most happening places in Asia and that we should have fun while we are here. If money was not a concern, is there a place / pick up joint for some good looking girls that want to hang out while we are in Jakarta, have a good time. Going to dinners, clubs and staying in nice hotels for 2-3 days? I have read the last few hundred pages on the forum and come to the conclusion that CJ's and Bats are the only options. Anything else you experienced mongers can suggest?[/QUOTE]In your case, if money is not a concern and time is more of the essence, then I recommend Colosseum 1001. You can either use their KTV or table on their dance floor with minimum cover charge. You can book the girls to accompany and entertain you while there, and book them out for overnight session. The quality of the girls there are pretty good but they do not come cheap. The ambiance is better from Thursday to Saturday. For other weekdays, things are a bit quieter there. But if you are into KTV and go in groups, then it does not matter anyway.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2158682]This has been discussed many times on this forum with myself and many others giving their opinions. If you search back, there were some good discussions. I prefer Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for saving me the search.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2159217]Thanks for saving me the search.[/QUOTE]No problem at all. This is a good report on the topic.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1754728&viewfull=1#post1754728

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2159258]No problem at all. This is a good report on the topic.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1754728&viewfull=1#post1754728[/QUOTE]This is great. However I would caution against making generalisations about looks and performance against girls across 16,000 islands. A big breasted north Balinese girl, a tall, slender Batak girl, a firey Bugis girl and a porcelain skinned Manadonese girl all look and behave very differntly.

The same can be said for other countries. I'm in the Philippines now and, while I usually prefer small spinners, have totally fallen for the Mindanao girls where 36 DD is regarded as flat chested.

I wonder if anyone has done a comparison of girls across the country?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2155537]From reading here I discovered from WEchat you can get a girl to come to your room at a price of: Massage 200/300 + sex 300- 500 for sex = 600- 800 total.

What prices would I be paying for the Tinder girls. Same or via a pimp I would assume slightly more?[/QUOTE]To New image.

Most Wechat girl want 1.5 Mil and up for FS to your hotel now days for 600 k look like a rip off to me be careful don't be so naive.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2159286]To New image.

Most Wechat girl want 1.5 Mil and up for FS to your hotel now days for 600 k look like a rip off to me be careful don't be so naive.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]A decent good looking girls cost around 1 to 1.5 million. A street walker cost 450 to 600 K plus room and you don't know what you are going to get.

If you are not a regular monger it would be advisable to spend a decent amount on a girl as a one off good experience you can take it home, rather then be stingy and missed a good opportunity you get.

That my view.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2159286]To New image.

Most Wechat girl want 1.5 Mil and up for FS to your hotel now days for 600 k look like a rip off to me be careful don't be so naive.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]You are the one being ripped off if you're paying 1. 5 jt for WeChat girls. 6-800 is the norm.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2155452]I used to love going for a sauna, steam and hot stone massage at Delta spa. The one at Gatot Sabroto was great but it's closed down. I hear the one at Grand Wijaya closed down. The one near Mangga Dua mall is a dump and so is the one at Harmoni. Does anyone know any good Delta massage places still left that also have sauna and steam room? I'd like to find a good one. However, can anyone verify that the hot stone massage is now 915,000 rupiah rather than the 500,000 it used to be? If that's the case, I'm done with the place even if there is still a nice facility remaining. I visited the one at Harmoni last week and they wanted 915k with no sauna or steam room. I will admit the therapists were very hot, but I wasn't there for that so I left. I have never seen therapists that hot at any other Delta so I am thinking perhaps that 915k was only the rate at harmoni since their girls are there for sex more than giving a massage. Just a guess.[/QUOTE]Try Kebon Jeruk, the one near the foodhall opposite the toll from Puri Indah.

It's been years so I can't tell you much on the price, but their facilities were very complete.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2159460]You are the one being ripped off if you're paying 1. 5 jt for WeChat girls. 6-800 is the norm.[/QUOTE]The girl only gets 300 k of that money. Whatever you pay above that goes to the pimp.

I do believe there are free lance girls out there charging more, but the girls controlled by the pimps do cost between 600 and 800. I don't even deal with those pimps these days though. If they start out with "you want sex? I block them. I like the girls who tell me it's "massage only". And I want them to speak to me only in Indonesian. If they speak English, they are almost assuredly a pimp and I block them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2159258]No problem at all. This is a good report on the topic.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1754728&viewfull=1#post1754728[/QUOTE]Smoothy, I have been reading your reports on Indonesia for years and lately on Thailand as you seem to reside in South East Asia, and appreciate your expertise on mongering there. I reside in New York and am truly honoured that you favorably regard my views on SEA mongering. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2159460]You are the one being ripped off if you're paying 1. 5 jt for WeChat girls. 6-800 is the norm.[/QUOTE]To Hihi.

If you want girl for 600 k all you going to get is skank. The SW at Lokosari plaza want 600 k for ST this days and they are low quality if you want cheap girl poor service then Hotel travel is your best bet for 350 k,I don't go for the Wechat girl most are rip off they will upsell you at your hotel room I go to disco and club to do all my hunting.

Fasf Eddie 48.

This is a share of my experience of what happened 5 months Back.

People say the service is poor in classic. How ever I seem to get the opposite. About me Indian 5'11 chocolate skin Built with little tummy late 30. The girls I chose where of the shy type who were interested and were showing the willingness though.

The time I entered the ratio was like 50 to 5 ladies. Pussy every where. Inside the room they were more interesting and I thought were thrilled as they meet some one from another culture, They were also not a dead fish (Dead fish happens most in Thailand for me) they were relatively short in height to me and max to my chest, I chose real cute ones on both occasions they did cooperate to all positions I asked for and I was relaxed and took my time till the phone rang. I can say if you are an Indian Indonesia is a better place to monger than Thailand.

I think the atmosphere in Indonesia is not so capitalistic as in Thailand. However since I like the whole atmosphere of Pattaya I would be travelling there in a month will post updates soon on them may be may 20 onward.

This chick on Tinder appears to have huge tits. I asked her point blank in Indonesian if her tits were that big and real. She said yes. She even claimed to have never had a baby. So I had her come over. She shows up and her tits do look that big in clothes. But when it came time to take off her clothes, she was extremely shy, and after the clothes came off, her tits were tiny. What a rip off. She had this weird bra with coconut like things in it. If you see her on tinder, I'd recommend avoiding her.

I don't know if any of you guys attended this event back in 2005, but I was going through some of my old Jakarta stuff and found this old ticket. It was the TOP sexy tabloid party at PitStop bar (had been renamed Avenue by that time) in front of Sari Pan Pacific hotel. Best event I have ever attended in Jakarta. The TOP tabloid girls were stunning and they danced wearing just bikini bottoms and thin white t-shirts tied to expose their stomachs with no bras while guys poured water on their tits. Then they had a lesbian act with 2 of the hottest girls I have ever seen in Jakarta. Those girls obviously weren't lesbians because they also pulled guys from the crowd into their act. I wish I could find more events like that one. I was shocked the Sari Pan allowed something like that to go on there. LOL I miss those old tabloids too. They were excellent. We ended up going home with two of the girls from the show.

I arrived in Jakarta late last night and managed to get to CJs around 1:30 am, so I had 90 minutes to find something for the night. As I was walking in, three older guys were walking out and one of them said something to the effect that there was no talent there. I was concerned but figured I may as well check it out anyways.

My sense is that either people are spoiled or I have very low standards. The ratio seemed around 1 to 1 when I entered, and I saw plenty of girls that were reasonably attractive. A few seemed really young. As soon as I walked in, a girl who was probably a 6 was all over me. She was pretty wasted but also lots of fun so I went along with it. She started at 3 M for overnight and I got her down to 2 M. I didn't really negotiate because by the time I got around to it, I only had about 20 minutes so I just figured I would just go with it.

I shagged her three times between her trips to the bathroom to puke. She was really wrecked. In the morning after she left, I noticed she puked a little on the bed. I got to tip housecleaning well this trip. She was pretty good performance wise. I didn't try the backdoor, but otherwise she did everything.

Tonight I hit Classic terminal 2 and Colosseum. Classic is really dark. I could barely check out the girls because they were all at the tables and again, really dark. I would avoid if you are a guy that likes to compare all the girls and stresses over picking the best available. I wound up going with the first girl the mamasan brought because she seemed really nice and her body was my type. 375 k for 1 hour 1 shot. No kissing and CBJ, which I know some guys don't like, but she was very energetic which made up for it. All in all, not bad and dirt cheap so no complaints.

Afterwards I went to 1001/ Colosseum, primarily to see Giuseppe Ottaviani, who I first saw maybe 10 years ago and wanted to check out for the sake of nostalgia. I got there really early so I first checked out the pool area. The girls there are significantly better than Classic and CJs. I would rate them on the same level as Darling 1 in Macau.

I was quoted 1. 4 for locals and I didn't catch the price for the foreign girls but they weren't that hot so it didn't matter. I also checked out the KTV girls and they were generally somewhere between Classic girls and the pool girls. The girls at the pool I saw seemed hotter. I saw probably 50 girls at the pool and maybe 50 KTV girls that were in the 1st floor waiting area as well as wandering around.

I wound up skipping getting a girl and just got a regular massage for 180 k. It was an OK massage. I specified no HJ (not sure if it would have been offered). I can only do so many shots and I didn't want to waste one on a HJ. Afterwards, I went to the club alone.

I saw literally no unattached girls in the club from what I could tell. Almost every girl there was with at least a couple guys, and none of them looked remotely like they were on the job. A Lot of people were clearly on meds but it seemed no different there than lots of other clubs I've been to. I didn't feel unsafe in the slightest the whole time I was there. I've read about clubs like the old Stadium being really sketchy, but Colosseum seemed fine. The music was good and I thought the light show was pretty good.

Tomorrow I'll either hit CJs, with more time to hunt, or maybe Malioboro.

[QUOTE=Hulk2211;2160527]I arrived in Jakarta late last night and managed to get to CJs around 1:30 am, so I had 90 minutes to find something for the night. As I was walking in, three older guys were walking out and one of them said something to the effect that there was no talent there. I was concerned but figured I may as well check it out anyways.

My sense is that either people are spoiled or I have very low standards. The ratio seemed around 1 to 1 when I entered, and I saw plenty of girls that were reasonably attractive. A few seemed really young. As soon as I walked in, a girl who was probably a 6 was all over me. She was pretty wasted but also lots of fun so I went along with it. She started at 3 M for overnight and I got her down to 2 M. I didn't really negotiate because by the time I got around to it, I only had about 20 minutes so I just figured I would just go with it.

I shagged her three times between her trips to the bathroom to puke. She was really wrecked. In the morning after she left, I noticed she puked a little on the bed. I got to tip housecleaning well this trip. She was pretty good performance wise. I didn't try the backdoor, but otherwise she did everything.

Tonight I hit Classic terminal 2 and Colosseum. Classic is really dark. I could barely check out the girls because they were all at the tables and again, really dark. I would avoid if you are a guy that likes to compare all the girls and stresses over picking the best available. I wound up going with the first girl the mamasan brought because she seemed really nice and her body was my type. 375 k for 1 hour 1 shot. No kissing and CBJ, which I know some guys don't like, but she was very energetic which made up for it. All in all, not bad and dirt cheap so no complaints.

Afterwards I went to 1001/ Colosseum, primarily to see Giuseppe Ottaviani, who I first saw maybe 10 years ago and wanted to check out for the sake of nostalgia. I got there really early so I first checked out the pool area. The girls there are significantly better than Classic and CJs. I would rate them on the same level as Darling 1 in Macau.

I was quoted 1. 4 for locals and I didn't catch the price for the foreign girls but they weren't that hot so it didn't matter. I also checked out the KTV girls and they were generally somewhere between Classic girls and the pool girls. The girls at the pool I saw seemed hotter. I saw probably 50 girls at the pool and maybe 50 KTV girls that were in the 1st floor waiting area as well as wandering around.

I wound up skipping getting a girl and just got a regular massage for 180 k. It was an OK massage. I specified no HJ (not sure if it would have been offered). I can only do so many shots and I didn't want to waste one on a HJ. Afterwards, I went to the club alone.

I saw literally no unattached girls in the club from what I could tell. Almost every girl there was with at least a couple guys, and none of them looked remotely like they were on the job. A Lot of people were clearly on meds but it seemed no different there than lots of other clubs I've been to. I didn't feel unsafe in the slightest the whole time I was there. I've read about clubs like the old Stadium being really sketchy, but Colosseum seemed fine. The music was good and I thought the light show was pretty good.

Tomorrow I'll either hit CJs, with more time to hunt, or maybe Malioboro.[/QUOTE]

Great report. Be prepared to have small bills when visiting Malioboro, since you will be pestered to the point of harassment by everybody there for tips. So, did you end up staying overnight at 1001?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2160545]Be prepared to have small bills when visiting Malioboro, since you will be pestered to the point of harassment by everybody there for tips. [/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you are talking about here. I've been to Malioboro over 100 times and I have never even once had to whip out any bills at all to give any tips other than the 100 k I give the girl in the room after we have sex. I do buy lady drinks for the dancers, but those go on the bill.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2160631]I'm not sure what you are talking about here. I've been to Malioboro over 100 times and I have never even once had to whip out any bills at all to give any tips other than the 100 k I give the girl in the room after we have sex. I do buy lady drinks for the dancers, but those go on the bill.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I had a different experience. Every time I pass through any areas, the workers would keep saying, "Boss, tips". Sure, I can choose to ignore them, but after so many times from different people, it gets under my skin. Even when I try to flag down taxis on the road in front of the building, the security would even say to me, "Boss, tips".

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2160731]Unfortunately, I had a different experience. Every time I pass through any areas, the workers would keep saying, "Boss, tips". Sure, I can choose to ignore them, but after so many times from different people, it gets under my skin. Even when I try to flag down taxis on the road in front of the building, the security would even say to me, "Boss, tips".[/QUOTE]I am guessing you mean when you walk past the guys sitting in the hallway upstairs who clean the rooms. Yes, sometimes they ask for a tip. I laugh and walk right past them. I've never directly given them a tip, but the girls do leave money in the room for them. I forget how much they leave them. As far as the security guys downstairs wanting to get me a taxi, I ignore them too. If they always got me a nice taxi, I would let them get me a taxi. But they don't. They get the front taxi in the cue regardless of whether it's a nice one or not. So I walk past them and directly to the street and get my own taxi.

I got stuck in this crappy city because I missed a connecting flight. Had to book a new ticket and spent 5 nights checking out a few places. I have not been into the city for 3 years, always just in the airport.

One thing I want to warn foreigners going to Classic Hotel 3 F. I went there 4 times during my stay and the cashier tried to scam 3 out of 4 times.

1. First time, I did not take a lady but ordered a Sprite. The cashier lady charged me something like 175,000, but I reminded her I only ordered a Sprite, the she said sorry, price down to 96,000, but still I did not believe that is the real price, but I thought I have not been here 3 years and price may have gone up, so I just paid and left. But later on I found out that was padded. Always ask the receipt if you suspect the cashier try to scam you.

2. Second time, I took a lady, and did not order anything. On my way out, the cashier, a different lady tried to charge me the entrance fee 40000. I knew that if you take a lady the entrance fee is waived, So I reminded her that I took a lady, then she asked me back you have lady? I said yes. Then she gave me the exist card. Very obvious she tried to scam newbies.

3. Third time, took a lady, did not order anything. The only time out of 4 that things went smooth. No cheat.

4. Fourth time, the same thing happened again as second time. Another cashier tried to scam me the entrance fee. I had to tell her I took a lady already, then got my exist pass.

They have done this 3 out of 4 times to me. I believe they do this very often to foreign customers. Be careful of these cashiers.

Classic 3 F has changed format. All the girls now sitting in the middle where customers used to sit. They are divided into different groups with different color uniforms, managed by different mamasan. The lighting was really bad. It is very hard to figure out their face and shape. You may have to pull them somewhere near the lights to take a better look. It is getting really hard to choose.

The nude dancing is all gone. Only singer with band and girls dancing fully clothed. The mamasans, I feel, are much more aggressive than before. Maybe business not as good as before, I don't know. But the way they pull you here and there full force and parade their girl team after team can be quite intimidating for newbies. A few times I really got fed up by all these aggressive pulling and hard selling, I had to take a break in the toilet to catch a breath.

Classic 5 F is more mellow, and it is a little brighter than 3 F, but I went in 2 times, the girl number was only about 10-15, no where near the number in 3 F. The entrance charge in 5 F is 30000 if you don't order.

The fee is now 365000 for a session, up from 350000.

I heard the city government knocked down the entire Kalijodo red light district some time ago. This was a place not for the faint-hearted. But for many years I really enjoyed taking the rough adventures. I have found many really unpolished gems from here. Also have seen some really gorgeous girls working here for peanuts. Really had a good memory from here for so many years, another place that has gone into the memory lane just like many other places in Asia.

I asked a few taxi drivers and they all told me that Kalijodo is completely gone. I even took a taxi to look to see if there is any residual activity, but there was none in that whole area, in fact these houses were flattened. But later on a Uber driver told me that Kalijodo has relocated into another area, quite far from the original one. I did not have time to check it, but I promised this Uber driver if he shows me the new location, I will buy him 2 ladies one night for present.

Anyone knows about the new incarnation of Kalijodo? I will try to check it out next trip into Jakarta.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2160836]I really got fed up by all these aggressive pulling and hard selling, I had to take a break in the toilet to catch a breath.[/QUOTE]I had one mamasan follow me across the bar to the toilet. I took the scenic route checking out all the girls who were not hers. I purposely took my time in the toilet. When I came out she was still at the door waiting for me!

How much do the mamasans make out of the 365 k? How much do the girls make?

I stayed in Mangga Besar 2 out of my 5 nights. I noticed for the first time there were many car / van brothels along Mangga Besar 8. I was walking down Mangga Besar 8 away from the main road passed Hotel Travel, I was called by a pimp and noticed a van with 4-5 girls in there. I took a look they looked mediocre but not too bad. Then the pimp guided me a few meters away and there were 3 more cars / vans with 2-4 girls inside. No one was outstanding but they beat the Lokasari workers by far.

The pimp then asked me my type, I told him slim, young, no baby, he then made a call, told me to wait 3 min. Then came another car with 2 girls inside. One girl had an okay face but really nice shape. The pimp told her to get out and told me to feel her. He grabbed my hand and told me to touch her tits and feel her tummy and tried very hard to sell her to me, keep saying no baby, young young, no baby.

He quoted me 500000 without room. I told him that is more than Hotel Travel nearby. He then said 400000, promised me good service. I paid and the same car took me and girl back to my hotel nearby.

The session was quite alright, she demanded a tip for BJ 100000. Later on, I walked around some more, I found out there were more mobile brothels in Mangga Besar. I even found a bajaj with 2 girls sitting inside nearby my hotel, and the driver was trying very hard to sell me. Both of them actually looked alright, price quoted to me again 500000, I am sure that can be bargained down.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2160922]I had one mamasan follow me across the bar to the toilet. I took the scenic route checking out all the girls who were not hers. I purposely took my time in the toilet. When I came out she was still at the door waiting for me!

How much do the mamasans make out of the 365 k? How much do the girls make?[/QUOTE]Deduct the taxes and fees (likely 30%, but may vary) then deduct the cost of the room, then split between the parties. Each party will earn about 115 K IDR in the example when the room is 50 K and the split is 50/50.

[QUOTE=Questner;2161019]Deduct the taxes and fees (likely 30%, but may vary) then deduct the cost of the room, then split between the parties. Each party will earn about 115 K IDR in the example when the room is 50 K and the split is 50/50.[/QUOTE]It's a damn crime that the mamasan makes even 1 tenth of what the girl makes, let alone equal or more than what the girl makes.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2161014]I stayed in Mangga Besar 2 out of my 5 nights. I noticed for the first time there were many car / van brothels along Mangga Besar 8. I was walking down Mangga Besar 8 away from the main road passed Hotel Travel, I was called by a pimp and noticed a van with 4-5 girls in there. I took a look they looked mediocre but not too bad. Then the pimp guided me a few meters away and there were 3 more cars / vans with 2-4 girls inside. No one was outstanding but they beat the Lokasari workers by far.

The pimp then asked me my type, I told him slim, young, no baby, he then made a call, told me to wait 3 min. Then came another car with 2 girls inside. One girl had an okay face but really nice shape. The pimp told her to get out and told me to feel her. He grabbed my hand and told me to touch her tits and feel her tummy and tried very hard to sell her to me, keep saying no baby, young young, no baby.

He quoted me 500000 without room. I told him that is more than Hotel Travel nearby. He then said 400000, promised me good service. I paid and the same car took me and girl back to my hotel nearby.

The session was quite alright, she demanded a tip for BJ 100000. Later on, I walked around some more, I found out there were more mobile brothels in Mangga Besar. I even found a bajaj with 2 girls sitting inside nearby my hotel, and the driver was trying very hard to sell me. Both of them actually looked alright, price quoted to me again 500000, I am sure that can be bargained down.[/QUOTE]Do you have any photos? Maybe there are some gems there, but I haven't been lucky enough to find any yet. I have wandered over there on occasion when I'm really drunk and in the area, but I still end up not taking the girls because I have never find one I liked. Some of the girls standing beside motorbikes near Jalan Pelatehan Blok M are far hotter than any girl I have seen in those pimp mobiles up north. There are even some decent girls on occasion standing by motorbikes along the road across from Malioboro. I just hate for those guys on the motorbikes to make any profit off the deal so I very rarely do it.

[URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/03/30/two-more-entertainment-venues-to-be-shut-down-after-alexis.html[/URL]

Anyone want to predict which wll be the next to be shut?

So I spent last night at Malioboro and went back to CJs. I will do another field report soon. Lots of opinions to share. My list of places I've checked out so far now includes. CJs, Malioboro, 1001, Classic. I will try Travel and likely one other place tonight. Probably BATS.

After that, I'm not sure what else is worth checking out for the rest of the week. I leave on Friday. I am thinking maybe of trying a Korean KTV somewhere (please recommend one if you know one), as well as trying golden crown. I'm not worried about safety as I'm pretty experienced in Asia in dodgy places. I have my head on a swivel.

Other than that, I don't have any strong feelings so I'm looking for ideas. The one thing I could really use is an afternoon place with good spa facilities (sauna, jacuzzi) and reasonably hot girls to bang. Malioboro had that but I would prefer to try somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2161086][URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/03/30/two-more-entertainment-venues-to-be-shut-down-after-alexis.html[/URL]

Anyone want to predict which wll be the next to be shut?[/QUOTE]Almost certainly Classic. It was in its death throes two weeks ago.

Level 5 seemed to have few women actually available. Service staff were disinterested for the most part. Not many customers.

Level 2 was better with more girls available but far fewer than what was available 6 months ago. Girls sitting on the stools normally reserved for customers.

Travel had the same set up. So dark I couldn't barely see what the girls looked like. Didn't seem to have a decline in customers to the degree that Classic did.

King Cross same set up as above on the ground floor. Few girls. Dead on a Saturday evening.

New Medika similar to above. No fishbowl. Few customers (although early evening).

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2161086][URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/03/30/two-more-entertainment-venues-to-be-shut-down-after-alexis.html[/URL]

Anyone want to predict which wll be the next to be shut?[/QUOTE]This is a sad trend. I had a great time in Geylang Singapore in 2008 but it is now a shadow of its former self. CP, in China was once my favorite hobbying destination in Asia until the 2014 crackdown. I had a fantastic time in Jakarta in 2015 but there seems to be a crackdown there as well albeit slower than CP. I may have to rethink a planned visit there. May have to confine myself to Thailand.

Kota Indah has not changed much except a few shops changed their names. The last trip I came here must have been 4-5 years ago. I remember one time many years ago me and a friend were stopped near the entrance of Kota Indah by 2 police as we were walking to get a taxi, fake police or real I don't know, and we were extorted 100000 each for not carry passport with us.

This time, I got off Jayakarta station and put on my pollution mask that covers most of my face, and walked the short 3 min walk to KI. Made sure there were no uniform men around this time. I went in a few shops, and in general I feel the number of girls were less as compared to 5 years back. Each shop 10 to at most 20 or so. The quality was a notch lower than Travel or Classic. But I would say there were several doable ones.

I remember years ago the girls were in the fish bowl, but this time most of them were sitting outside in the customers sitting. I did not check all these shops, but checked a few. I am not sure I can remember the names correctly, Sariyu, Royal, LA, MRT, and 2 more I cannot remember the names. The price was also similar to years ago in my memory and almost the same as Travel or Classic. I was quoted 330 to 380, some places have different tiers.

So basically the price is the same as Travel or Classic, so I just don't think tourists need to come here unless you are so curious to see the entirely local scene. There was not much pressure from the mamasan. I just ordered a soft drink and watch the girl flow in a few shops. But spent 2 hours in KI and went through 6 or so shops, and did not see anyone that stood out.

But I decided to take a random acceptable girl just for fun. In the last shop MRT, I picked one with a slender body, face acceptable. I think she was either price 330 or 350, I don't remember. I paid 400 k together with a soda and a beer, and got some peanuts change back. The room was clean but a few level down from these rooms in Classic and Travel.

The girls do not speak any English here except yes, no, ok, and some common hand gestures like HJ, BJ. So far this trip the girls I met all demanded tip for BJ, this girl as well. She was quite fun, all smiles and giggle, and kept talking Bahasa non-stop to me even she knew I do not understand a word.

The atmosphere is entirely local, but I did not feel unwelcome, or feel uneasy. The whole night I only saw one other non-Indon, an Arab looking guy. It got quite crowded with local guys later hour. Soft drink and beer are cheap local price. It was kind of fun but I would not come here on regular basis.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2161170]Almost certainly Classic. It was in its death throes two weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Does not appear to be Classic since it's neither in West Jakarta nor is it a MP or a disco. From the article, "I have received a recommendation letter from Jakarta Tourism Agency to close two entertainment venues, one massage parlor and one nightclub, in West Jakarta," Yani said.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2161309]So basically the price is the same as Travel or Classic, so I just don't think tourists need to come here unless you are so curious to see the entirely local scene. There was not much pressure from the mamasan. [/QUOTE]

No pressure from the mamasans is as good a reason as any to check it out. Thanks so much for the review of an area that does not get reviewed here often.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2161309]So far this trip the girls I met all demanded tip for BJ, this girl as well. [/QUOTE]Sorry, but this post is confusing to me. It's just standard procedure for any brothel girl anywhere in Jakarta to shower, get in bed with you, and start giving a BJ and / or full body tongue bath. I think I had one girl years ago who didn't want to give a BJ and I threw her out and had the mamasan replace her immediately. A tip is standard at the end of the BJ, Fuck for the hour, but I've never even once in 20 years had any girl ask me specifically for an extra tip to give me a BJ in a brothel in Jakarta.

Maybe I just have a very delicious looking dick?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161058]It's a damn crime that the mamasan makes even 1 tenth of what the girl makes, let alone equal or more than what the girl makes.[/QUOTE]To be fair, the girls at Classic and Travel normally do so little work in the room and have such meh attitudes that the mamasans may well be working harder and more strenuously, albeit not for the benefit of the punter, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161363]Sorry, but this post is confusing to me. It's just standard procedure for any brothel girl anywhere in Jakarta to shower, get in bed with you, and start giving a BJ and / or full body tongue bath. I think I had one girl years ago who didn't want to give a BJ and I threw her out and had the mamasan replace her immediately. A tip is standard at the end of the BJ, Fuck for the hour, but I've never even once in 20 years had any girl ask me specifically for an extra tip to give me a BJ in a brothel in Jakarta.

Maybe I just have a very delicious looking dick?[/QUOTE]Someone must have really tasty cock. In my experience going back over 10 years or so in Jakarta, I never had this luck as you mentioned BJ as standard procedure in lower tier bath houses like Travel or Classic. They take a shower and always want to go straight to sex, and ask them for a BJ, their first reaction would be no no, then I insisted then they would try to say or hand gesture 100, for me this has become the standard procedure in these low end bath houses. The only exception is bath house like Alexis, I had several sessions there in the past, BJ was always on auto mode.

In fact, I got more automatic blow jobs in now defunct Kalijodo more than anywhere in Indonesia. Really miss that place.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2161440]Someone must have really tasty cock. In my experience going back over 10 years or so in Jakarta, I never had this luck as you mentioned BJ as standard procedure in lower tier bath houses like Travel or Classic. They take a shower and always want to go straight to sex, and ask them for a BJ, their first reaction would be no no, then I insisted then they would try to say or hand gesture 100, for me this has become the standard procedure in these low end bath houses. The only exception is bath house like Alexis, I had several sessions there in the past, BJ was always on auto mode.[/QUOTE]I think I know what mistake you are making. You must already have a hard on. After the shower and lying in bed, I am still soft as a wet noodle. Intercourse isn't even possible at that point. If they don't give me a BJ, they aren't going to get my dick hard, so they don't have any choice but to give me a BJ. On occasion, a girl will try to get me hard with a hand job rather than blow job, but that won't do anything for me so they have to go for the BJ whether they like it or not.

I'm not saying the girls will all be good at giving a BJ, but they never ask me for an extra tip to do it. The only place in Jakarta I ever visited where a fantastic BJ was guaranteed was Maribaya (now closed). The girls there told me the mamasan trained them how to give a good BJ. That mamasan must have been a good trainer. Suffice it to say, the mamasans at the places in North Jakarta don't teach these girls much about how to give good service to a man.

This would be my last update for this Jakarta accidental trip. Life back to normal and next hunting trip will be at least a while from now. I went in Hotel Travel actually twice in a night. First time I went in and walked around. Mamasan were active but not aggressive like Classic 3 F. The girls were divided by color uniforms and sitting on the sofa on all sides of the building. I asked the price, it is the same as before 350 k. I did not pick or look closely at the girls because I felt something wrong with tummy after eating these Bakmi so I went back to my room for a toilet break.

When I exit and about to pay the entrance, the nice lady cashier just waved me through, said no need to pay. So if you just look around and do not order anything or take a lady, I guess the entrance is free just like before. The cashier lady was honest. Impressed.

A few hours later, I entered again and walked around. There is a back room with pool tables and some more ladies there. I made 2 rounds front and back, these mamasan were more gentle than Classic 3, but still were trying hard to introduce their team to you one by one, in a more polite way, I felt a bit more comfortable here. I finally picked a girl, later in the room I found out she has huge tattoo on her back, and also really sagging tits, even though her tummy looks very tight and flat. These were already a turn off. So did not finish with her. But always give these girls 100 k or up for tips, they really only get peanuts from the 350 k (Travel) or 365 k (Classic). Some girl this trip told me they get only 150 k.

I arrive in Jakarta on April 25. I will need a working phone ASAP.

I am bringing my Samsung Galaxy S8 which Verizon tells me will work internationally and is not locked.

The question is, how do get the phone set up on a local network in Indonesia?

If, for some reason, I can't get my phone working, can I rent a local phone for the 3 weeks I am there. Too costly to buy a new one for just a short period of time.

What are my options please?

Terima kasih,

Bob.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2161592]But always give these girls 100 k or up for tips, they really only get peanuts from the 350k (Travel) or 365k (Classic). Some girl this trip told me they get only 150k.[/QUOTE]I think I mentioned that the girl I took recently at Classic told me she never does less than 5 guys a day. She claimed to only make 100k, not 150k. But either is peanuts. I also always give 100k tip (unless they demand a condom for the BJ, in that case they get zero). But at 100k from the place and 100k tip from every guy, that's 1 million rupiah per day they are making. That's damn good money for an Indo. (not every guy does give 100k though, I realize that.).

To put it into perspective, I recently saw one of my old favorites from King Cross working as a waitress at a Sushi place. She now says makes a salary of 2.4 million per month and works every day for 12 hours a day. I asked her why she doesn't go back to working as a hooker and she claims she has an Indonesian husband now and he won't allow it. I asked her why she even needed to work since she now has a husband. She claimed he made less than her since he works as a security guard at an apartment building.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2161440]Someone must have really tasty cock. In my experience going back over 10 years or so in Jakarta, I never had this luck as you mentioned BJ as standard procedure in lower tier bath houses like Travel or Classic. [/QUOTE]Hmmm, makes me wonder what the reason might be, that they treat you differently. Ten years ago I was still pretty active in Jakarta and to my recollection, BJ's (I insisted on BBBJ) and cat baths were included.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161653]
To put it into perspective, I recently saw one of my old favorites from King Cross working as a waitress at a Sushi place. She now says makes a salary of 2.4 million per month and works every day for 12 hours a day. I asked her why she doesn't go back to working as a hooker and she claims she has an Indonesian husband now and he won't allow it. I asked her why she even needed to work since she now has a husband. She claimed he made less than her since he works as a security guard at an apartment building.[/QUOTE]For old times sake you should have had invited her to a hotelroom for an additional fee. LOL!

So I spent last night at Malioboro and went back to CJs. I will do another field report soon. Lots of opinions to share. My list of places I've checked out so far now includes. CJs, Malioboro, 1001, Classic. I will try Travel and likely one other place tonight. Probably BATS.

What are the going prices in CJ's?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2160346]This chick on Tinder appears to have huge tits. I asked her point blank in Indonesian if her tits were that big and real. She said yes. She even claimed to have never had a baby. So I had her come over. She shows up and her tits do look that big in clothes. But when it came time to take off her clothes, she was extremely shy, and after the clothes came off, her tits were tiny. What a rip off. She had this weird bra with coconut like things in it. If you see her on tinder, I'd recommend avoiding her.[/QUOTE]Was just about to book her to. Saved the day.

I managed to buy a cheap ticket arriving in Jakarta on Jun'10th, but I completely forgot about.

Ramadan. Considering that it does last 1 month and there's still Eid, I would to like hear from the veterans.

('this my maiden trip). My itinerary would include Classic, Malioboro, CIJ, BATS, vans on Mangga Besar.

Kings Cross and maybe Wechat / Tinder.

I fly in from Manila and haven't bought the ticket out of Jakarta but ETD would be around Jun 17th.

So, the question is: Will the venues be closed or have few girls? Would you drop this trip and from Manila.

Go to BKK or Pattaya instead? Your views are welcome and much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2161684]For old times sake you should have had invited her to a hotelroom for an additional fee. LOL![/QUOTE]I am guessing you know very well that I did indeed do that. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161653]I think I mentioned that the girl I took recently at Classic told me she never does less than 5 guys a day. [/QUOTE]Very true; and to pay attention, if you ask to take a girl out usually the management will charge you 5 times the short time fee.

Is it the direction of things to come? Logging into Tinder through FB may not work.

[URL]http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesian-communications-minister-threatens-to-shut-down-facebook-if-privacy-breached[/URL]

Anyone knows about the new incarnation of Kalijodo? I will try to check it out next trip into Jakarta. (Quote).

You could try Rawa Malang at Cakung, East of Tanjung Priok port. But this place is seriously not for the faint hearted.

[QUOTE=Questner;2161996]Very true; and to pay attention, if you ask to take a girl out usually the management will charge you 5 times the short time fee.[/QUOTE]That's if you take her out after 11 pm. If you take her out at say 5 pm, they will want even more.

[QUOTE=MsgForU;2161735]I managed to buy a cheap ticket arriving in Jakarta on Jun'10th, but I completely forgot about. Ramadan. Considering that it does last 1 month and there's still Eid, I would to like hear from the veterans. ('this my maiden trip). My itinerary would include Classic, Malioboro, CIJ, BATS, vans on Mangga Besar. Kings Cross and maybe Wechat / Tinder.
[/QUOTE]

June 10th is close to Eid. Ramadhan itself is subdued, but Eid is generally empty, the worst time for mongering. Some venues would be closed, others have reduced hours, and of those open, most girls won't be present.

If the primary purpose of your trip is mongering, might be good to reconsider.

Eid is, however, a decent time to visit Jakarta since traffic is much better than at other times. If you're meeting a civilian who stays in the city, it's not a bad time to be around at all.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2162411]June 10th is close to Eid. Ramadhan itself is subdued, but Eid is generally empty, the worst time for mongering. Some venues would be closed, others have reduced hours, and of those open, most girls won't be present.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity, how does this impact Bali? I recently witnessed Bali to have a very Hindu culture, but I am aware that many of the WGs in the X-houses are Javanese or from other islands. So I am wondering if they head home for Ramadhan or do they prefer to remain wayward girls making some loose change on the Isle of the Gods.

[QUOTE=MsgForU;2161735]I managed to buy a cheap ticket arriving in Jakarta on Jun'10th, but I completely forgot about.

Ramadan. Considering that it does last 1 month and there's still Eid, I would to like hear from the veterans.

('this my maiden trip). My itinerary would include Classic, Malioboro, CIJ, BATS, vans on Mangga Besar.

Kings Cross and maybe Wechat / Tinder.

I fly in from Manila and haven't bought the ticket out of Jakarta but ETD would be around Jun 17th.

So, the question is: Will the venues be closed or have few girls? Would you drop this trip and from Manila.

Go to BKK or Pattaya instead? Your views are welcome and much appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you can cancel that ticket for no fee, I would do it immediately. There's a reason that flight was cheap. No non-Muslim in their right mind flies into Indonesia just before Idul Fitri. Especially for a sex vacation. Flights out of Jakarta at that time are tough to get as people scurry to flee the area, but flights in from countries where few Indonesian Muslims are based are of course cheap. Flying in at that time makes no sense at all unless you are going there to celebrate Ramadan by praying all day long in the mosque every day starting the 12th or 13th when every place in town will be shut tight for 3 or 4 days. Depends on the police situation because that varies year to year.

Been in and out of Jakarta and the region for 15+ years.

Myself and a few friends are coming back again for 4 days from April 24 and staying at the Mulia (easy CJ's access).

Does anyone have intel on where a good soapy massage can be had these days? There was a place called Kartika that I went to years ago. Dingey as hell but great fun.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

Also if you are in town and want to hang with some guys that like to party, hit me up.

I'll be there April 25 to 29. Staying at Mulia on Friday. Shangri-La on Wednesday (BATS).

You have no PM capability.

[QUOTE=CoaxK;2162569]Been in and out of Jakarta and the region for 15+ years.

Myself and a few friends are coming back again for 4 days from April 24 and staying at the Mulia (easy CJ's access).

Does anyone have intel on where a good soapy massage can be had these days? There was a place called Kartika that I went to years ago. Dingey as hell but great fun.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

Also if you are in town and want to hang with some guys that like to party, hit me up.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Anyone tried GoJek massage? Any possibility of a plus plus there? Any views would be appreciated.

After RTFF, seems I missed this "small" detail.

Thank you for the inputs. This was supposed to be a mongering trip so.

Maybe I will extend my stay in the Phils or divert to Thailand.

I was working in Indonesia in 2014 from June to December. Age 59. Ramadan that year was in July-August.

I had enough companionship during Ramadan, but you have to have "boots on the ground" in advance to make contacts to last you thru the drier times of Ramadan.

I made a great overnight deal with a favorite, in exchange for a plane ticket for her to Surabaya the next day.

I remember loving the reduced traffic in Jakarta a lot.

[QUOTE=MsgForU;2163071] This was supposed to be a mongering trip so.

Maybe I will extend my stay in the Phils or divert to Thailand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2163235]
I remember loving the reduced traffic in Jakarta a lot.[/QUOTE]That's the only advantage. But my girlfriends are all out of Jakarta at that time, and all the fun places are closed, so where am I supposed to go to with that light traffic?

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2163235]I was working in Indonesia in 2014 from June to December. Age 59.[/QUOTE]There is a nickname the girls have for mongering guys your age in Jakarta. It's the same nickname they use for me. Berondong Tua.

My other two reports are in bali, and medan for day 1, day 2 & 3.

Day 4 Jakarta.

Flight is 1 PM to Jakarta from Medan. So, started around 10 from hotel. Had 2 hours to kill in airport. Luckily flight is on time. Saw the board Reflex (something) in Medan airport near my gate. 1-hour 185 IDR. For 20 $ I can spend the boring waiting time in a relaxing mood. Without hesitation booked 1:00. And the lady on the counter said 200 IDR I can get head massage as well. Said go ahead and add it and asked her to watch the gate which can be seen from her seat. She smiled and said yes, she will let me know once the gate is open. The massage was very relaxing and the girl did a wonderful job in leg massage and hand. While doing the head massage the receptionist said gate is opened. Paid the fees and rushed to the flight. Overall, a new experience. I never had a massage just seconds before flight. I slept the remaining 1:30 minutes in flight fully.

Reached Jakarta airport. Contacted my DateInAsia contact to inform I am heading to my hotel Redstart in Jakarta. She said she will be there by 6:00 pm. I came hotel get fresh and waited for her. Around 7:30 got a call that, her mum was calling her home so she must go. I was greatly disappointed. She said she will come tomorrow. I said don't bother, I am meeting others. She said she will go home and come back 9:00 PM. Based on Jakarta traffic I know she won't be able to make 9. I said if she is not in before 10. I will sleep. Both agreed. After 10 asked 5 minutes extension few times and its 11 already. Came to reception and asked me to come down. Since the lift access is by card. I went downstairs and sending a message where are you. She was there but I didn't realize she was that old I took her to room and said her that I couldn't recognize her face based on the photos in dating sites. She wants to go home in 1 hour. I was ready for action by kissing. She said no sex. I am almost pissed off now. I asked her if she want to go, she can go now. She asked for taxi charges 300 k. Based on the grab fairs her location is 30 k by that time. Gave 100 k and said good bye. She is still happy and left.

This hotel is near travel hotel. Just opposite. So, wanted to try the action there. While going to travel hotel saw this lady going in the grab bike. She saved a few dollars. Lots of great looking girls in travel hotel. Charing flat rate of 350 k per hour. Before finishing my second drink, one of the sharp mama son got me a girl to my taste. And ask me how with eyebrows. I paid and took her upstairs. Very slim moderately tall speaks decent English. Turned out to be a nice companion to speak in the room. Joined me in shower, she has paid lots of attention to right areas, I am returned the favor as well. She loved kissing. Had a proper DFK with her. With that I am almost ready for the action. She was giving a good BBBJ and finished in 10 minutes. She asked for a drink. I ordered on corona for me and another one for her. Had cuddled for a while and finished the drink and left. Gave her 50 K tip and left to room.

Day 5 Jakarta.

Wanted to replace my phone and buy some clothe back home. So, spent most of the time in two malls know for the respective merchandise. Surprisingly every single time When I am in food court. I get some eye contacts. Initially I was hesitant to approach.

Then in the IT mall the girls who work in the shop had the dinner together. One girl remembered me searching for mobile while she was in the stall. She smiled. I just tried my luck by started speaking like how is lunch. And as the discussion goes, pulled the chair and sat there. The girls started asking lots of questions from where I am from when I leave where I stay etc. One asked my WhatsApp number and I realized there is an opportunity. Now shared my number and got a big tub of ice cream box for the girls to share. I left the mall. Mgs started flowing during the entire day. The rest want to meet during Sunday. Only one wants to see me that night.

That girl turned up around 8:00 PM. A bit chubby to my taste but Turned out to be enjoyable. Again, as usual great kissing and after an hour she wants to leave home. Left around 10:15 pm. I gave her 300 k taxI money but she refused. So asked her nearby place to book a grab car for her. She agreed. So booked a cab and then later deducted from my grab account. Its four days had only 5 hrs of sleep / day. Wanted to sleep at least 8 hrs.

Day 6 Jakarta.

Another old contact which I have missed seeing last year Jakarta trip saw my WhatsApp Status and approached me to meet. She has promised that she will be in next one hour. So, had the breakfast at hotel and like promised she came on time. But to my horror, she is at least 35+ easily approaching 40. Nothing wrong with that but she is older than me. I didn't want to discuss this in lobby. So, took her to room and said that She is nowhere near the photos she has shared. I usually do a video chat before meet. But both these Jakarta contacts were in my WhatsApp for more than a year and sharing lots of photos. I said I will pay her to leave. Paid her taxi fare 100 k and said good bye. Saved the contact with more information in my mobile. So that I won't respond to the contacts in future.

Wanted to try Marlboro but the club opens only night. I have never tried the soapy massage before. So very eager to try that one while in Jakarta. But to my surprise no good info there. There is a blog saying Oasis, Kimochi Spa offers one. I was very close to Oasis but couldn't see the spa. So, went there and chose a girl by looking at the photo. Had the one-hour massage. The room has vinyl sheets. So, thought I am in the right place. But the massage is the regular massage with CBJ. Finished the deal and left.

Don't want to finish the day without FS. So, tried again travel. This time very young 19 years old from Bekasi. Very young, exactly my type. Enjoyed the session. Great kissing. Didn't do BBBJ properly but I was just hard, with her body. Absolute stunner. Had two rounds paid 100 k as tips and returned to room and crashed.

Will continue my trip in bali section.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2160230]This is a share of my experience of what happened 5 months Back.

People say the service is poor in classic. How ever I seem to get the opposite. .....
Inside the room they were more interesting and I thought were thrilled as they meet some one from another culture, They were also not a dead fish (Dead fish happens most in Thailand for me)....

I think the atmosphere in Indonesia is not so capitalistic as in Thailand. However since I like the whole atmosphere of Pattaya I would be travelling there in a month will post updates soon on them may be may 20 onward.[/QUOTE]Your experience is exact opposite of mine. For me attitude of BKK girls were much better compared to Jakarta. But I was also willing to pay a lot in BKK compared to Jakarta and also I was fit when in BKK and had a tummy while visiting Jakarta. The only experience I liked was with a Malio chick. She was extremely sweet and caring during the session everything other session in Jakarta was mechanical for me.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2160230]This is a share of my experience of what happened 5 months Back.

People say the service is poor in classic. How ever I seem to get the opposite.......

The time I entered the ratio was like 50 to 5 ladies. Pussy every where. Inside the room they were more interesting and I thought were thrilled as they meet some one from another culture, They were also not a dead fish (Dead fish happens most in Thailand for me)....

I think the atmosphere in Indonesia is not so capitalistic as in Thailand. However since I like the whole atmosphere of Pattaya I would be travelling there in a month will post updates soon on them may be may 20 onward.[/QUOTE]I had the exact opposite experience of you. Girls in BKK were much more GFE compared to Jakarta. Most of the girls in BKK were OK with BBBJ but that's not the case in Jakarta. Two factors that may contribute to it is that I was paying double of Jakarta rates in BKK and I was slim when visiting BKK. Only GFE I had was in Malio from a girl named Sofia and it was fantastic, all other sessions in Jakarta were lackluster and mechanical.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2163275]That's the only advantage. But my girlfriends are all out of Jakarta at that time, and all the fun places are closed, so where am I supposed to go to with that light traffic?[/QUOTE]Don't you have a little list with phone numbers?

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2164530]Don't you have a little list with phone numbers?[/QUOTE]What good does that do when they all went home to their villages for Idul Fitri?

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2164510]Your experience is exact opposite of mine. For me attitude of BKK girls were much better compared to Jakarta. But I was also willing to pay a lot in BKK compared to Jakarta and also I was fit when in BKK and had a tummy while visiting Jakarta. The only experience I liked was with a Malio chick. She was extremely sweet and caring during the session everything other session in Jakarta was mechanical for me.[/QUOTE]I agree with this, service is always better for me in Bangkok than in Jakarta (usually mechanical). That said, I mostly go with freelancers in Bangkok, whereas in Jakarta I've mostly done big brothel girls who seem to get 5 guys a night and are thus tend to be burned out and mechanical. In addition, I speak decent Thai but very little Indonesian, and that could affect both the choice and the vibe.

Sex workers in Thailand seem to be there of their own free will (not just freelancers, but also bar/massage) and there are few intrusive middlemen. In Indonesia, with few exceptions, they seem heavily managed. I try to avoid saying "owned", but sadly, that might not be far from the truth for some. Even streetwalkers on Mangga Besar seem to have a pimp who is pushing the girls to customers.

This makes the Indonesian pro scene off-putting for me to a degree. In Jakarta regular girls are a much better deal, far more rewarding both in bed and out of bed. In Bangkok, the opposite is the case, regular girls are easy enough, but often duds, and the effort is rarely worth it.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2162894]Hi,

Anyone tried GoJek massage? Any possibility of a plus plus there? Any views would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]P.S. - have tried kimochi new Mabes, the-heaven (grandwijaya), metropolis blok m massage.

Hands down Kimochi new is the best. The'Heaven is full of attitude for no reason, Metropolis. You can raw-dog (which is scary). So I want to now enjoy the comfort of my home and hence asking. Let me know please. Thank you!

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2164900]
Hands down Kimochi new mabes is the best.[/QUOTE]That particular Kimochi is in a crap area of town (Mangga Besar) so I have never tried that particular one, but I have no doubt it is good. Like any of these places, it depends on the girls they happen to have working there at the time.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2164900]P.S. - have tried kimochi new Mabes, the-heaven (grandwijaya), metropolis blok m massage.

Hands down Kimochi new is the best. The'Heaven is full of attitude for no reason, Metropolis. You can raw-dog (which is scary). So I want to now enjoy the comfort of my home and hence asking. Let me know please. Thank you![/QUOTE]I can confirm that, Kimochi has a decent room with amazing girls. I tried once, they girl is perfect 8/10. Very good massage. Asked for body slide but no one understand even after using google translate. Finished with wonderful BBBJ and HJ.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2164900]

Hands down Kimochi new is the best.[/QUOTE]Is this the kimochi across from hotel travel? What's the price for room and girl?

I worked on Java in 2014.

7 hours by train from Jakarta, but I got a handful of times in Jakarta. Loved it.

I have been preparing for this return visit since December.

As a precursor, I have an account on Indonesian Cupid, where I find most girls looking for a long-term relationship. Here are my 4 outliers out of maybe 100 who contact me.

1. I have one from IC (DIYA) who will openly fulfill my needs. The word naughty in her profile was a tip off. Duuhhh.

2. Another from IC (ANINDHITA), who I chat with on WhatsApp, agreed to meet me at my hotel. She asks "what I expect from her". I reply "nothing, you are the host in your country". Her reply shocked me, "If you looking for 1 night stand, I don't mind too. ".

3. Also from IC (MARIA) surprised me. Beautiful girl, Adamant that there will be no sex. Then, allegedly, her Dad got sick last month and things have now changed. Today she asks, "Can you help me if I stay with you when you are here. Will you give me money? I do not want to waste my time just for free. " She has a kid and has moved out of Dad's house to some small apartment in an alley. Claims she needs money to live and for child.

3 A. With Maria, I spent a fair amount of time over the past 2 months chatting and video-calling. She was my love affair, a woman to do things with away from mongering. From far away, it appears her story is true. I just don't know, but figure I have nothing to lose.

3 be. Before all this she agreed to come pick me up at the airport and drop me off at Shangri-La where I am staying.

4. Also from IC (LIYA), now wants to meet me at my hotel. The day after I arrive (because I arrive Wed evening and am set for Lades Night at BATS & CJ'S). Not sure of the best way to ask her about sex and what her plans with me are.

SUGGESTIONS from the experts please. Also comments and thoughts are appreciated.

SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2164900]P.S. - have tried kimochi new Mabes, <snip> Hands down Kimochi new is the best. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2166097]Is this the kimochi across from hotel travel? What's the price for room and girl?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2165437]That particular Kimochi is in a crap area of town (Mangga Besar) so I have never tried that particular one, but I have no doubt it is good. Like any of these places, it depends on the girls they happen to have working there at the time.[/QUOTE]There are 5 Kimochi Spas in and around Jakarta. The oldest one, let's call that one Kimochi Spa 1, is located in front of Hotel Travel in Mangga Besar.

Then there is a second newer one, lets call this one Kimochi 2 even though it has formally changed its name to Pangeran Spa. Google Pangeran Spa for the exact location. This might be the one BabaLoda is reporting on if he is talking about Kimochi "new".

And then there is: Grand Kimochi Spa (Kimochi 3), then Kimochi Spa Cikarang / Bekasi (Kimochi 4) located outside Jakarta in Cikarang, & lastly the Grand Kimochi Spa Taman Palem (Kimochi 5) near the Aston Hotel. They all might be worth checking out, I don't know, but #5 is half way to the friggin' airport. LOL.

But thanks for the original report BabaLoda. The Kimochi Spas are definitely a good topic for conversation.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2166130]There are 5 Kimochi Spas in and around Jakarta. The oldest one, let's call that one Kimochi Spa 1, is located in front of Hotel Travel in Mangga Besar.

Then there is a second newer one, lets call this one Kimochi 2 even though it has formally changed its name to Pangeran Spa. Google Pangeran Spa for the exact location. This might be the one BabaLoda is reporting on if he is talking about Kimochi "new".

And then there is: Grand Kimochi Spa (Kimochi 3), then Kimochi Spa Cikarang / Bekasi (Kimochi 4) located outside Jakarta in Cikarang, & lastly the Grand Kimochi Spa Taman Palem (Kimochi 5) near the Aston Hotel. They all might be worth checking out, I don't know, but #5 is half way to the friggin' airport. LOL.[/QUOTE]If I am not mistaken, New Kimochi Mabes 2 is none of those.

Here's New Kimochi Mabes 2. It's basically behind Kartika or Illigals. you could walk to it from Hotel Mercure.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/dewakimochi/[/URL]

I have to laugh about the one across from Hotel Travel. That's the first spa I ever tried in Jakarta. What a dive.

Of the chicks on that Kimochi Mabes instagram site, I think I'd probably go with this one. It appears they do not have a steam room or sauna though so I won't be visiting.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2166110]
SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]Your groundwork is admirable, you don't make clear what sort of relationship you are looking for, non-pro, semi-pro, GFE, long-term (ie the entire course of your visit) or one night stand, but here's how they look to me.

1, Diya, commercial, simply ask her the price and decide whether you are willing to pay, any more than 1 million and I wouldn't bother as at that money you can simply get whatever you need anywhere without the bother of meals and drinks or shopping (which I am guessing you are thinking about if you are going to the trouble of chatting and getting to know them).

2, Anindhita, semi-pro, will take longer to get to the point about the price and will pretend she doesn't normally do this sort of thing but strategy aside she will be pretty much the same as Diya.

3, Maria, semi-pro, but more manipulative, will cost a lot more than the two above, she also has a kid. Honestly, you will be paying over the odds for what you can get for 350 in one of the big meat markets and without the hassle. Don't let her take control of your stay in Jakarta, which I guarantee she will try to do. You are the customer (for have no doubts that is what you are), you must maintain the upper hand.

4, Liya, she is willing to come to your hotel, for what? Dinner and a drink, as a convenient meeting place from which you can go out to see the sights? Or to come up to your room? Any Indonesian woman who is willing to meet a complete stranger in his hotel room is a pro, otherwise I would put her down as semi-pro. Don't be afraid to broach the topic, they aren't shy about asking your plans.

So you have a nice line-up, all of them no doubt up for fun, and I am sure they will all make your stay an interesting one.

Just don't kid yourself, they are all commercial, more or less, choose a different one every night, don't invest anything like the idea of some romantic love match in any of them. In your free time go to a brothel or massage parlour where you will get the exact same result for less emotional commitment and half the price.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2166162]Of the chicks on that Kimochi Mabes instagram site, I think I'd probably go with this one.[/QUOTE]She's my type. Both girls I've been seeing in komplek Kota Indah are similar to her.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2166244]She's my type. [/QUOTE]Pretty much every girl on that site is my type. But that doesn't mean I will go there. LOL. There are so many places in Jakarta and so many girls. Almost every venue has nice girls.

However, I would like to find one with a sauna and steam room to relax before and after having sex.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2166243]Your groundwork is admirable, you don't make clear what sort of relationship you are looking for, non-pro, semi-pro, GFE, long-term (ie the entire course of your visit) or one night stand, but here's how they look to me.

So you have a nice line-up, all of them no doubt up for fun, and I am sure they will all make your stay an interesting one.

Just don't kid yourself, they are all commercial, more or less, choose a different one every night, don't invest anything like the idea of some romantic love match in any of them. In your free time go to a brothel or massage parlour where you will get the exact same result for less emotional commitment and half the price.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]THANKS for the sage advice. It all makes sense to me.

I still think Maria is a non-pro, based on all I have seen and heard as she can only make it out for 1 of the 4 nights I am there, because she has to make an excuse to her Mom why she is gone all night. BUT, you made me painfully aware to watch my step with her. I thank you for that insight. I was overlooking it.

In response to your other questions:

1. I want variety. In 2014, when in Jakarta, I would go to Maribaya spa in the afternoon or early evening and then arrive at CJ's or BATS around 10 pm. I would often end the night on Blok M at Top Gun. So I am good for about 3 women a day.

2. Mostly short term associations as I don't want the emotional drain. Plus, I am not interested in lying to some girl about marrying her just to get in her pants.

3. I definitely insist on GFE 90% of the time. I want some connection, just not too much. A stellar BBBJCIM will make me forget the GFE aspect, but that is next to impossible to find.

4. I hate meat markets or dis-interested providers. I had the worst ever experience of my life in Cilacap in 2014. After being there about 4 months, I asked a local cab driver about women for sex. I had not seen any P-4-P in my 4 months working there. He promised to find a girl for me. One night he calls and says he got one. When I got to town to meet, the girl took a look at me and jumped back in his cab. A first for me. I am the only bule in this town, but now I understand from this forum, that not all girls like foreigners. Oh well.

Anyway, he promised to bring another and about an hour later he did. She was young, age 20. Once in the hotel room I was down DATY. When I looked up she was sitting there like she wished she was anywhere else & just watching TV. ZERO excitement and ZERO participation. It was so "cold" that I just stopped, got up, got dressed and walked out. Never again.

Thanks again Hilo for the advice.

SEA Traveler.

Based on advise from Hilo 77, I started to be a bit more aggressive with my Indo Cupid dates. Regarding their expectations of our time together. As I arrive in less than 2 weeks.

Several will now mention that they want to come to my room after "drinks and dancing". Ha ha ha.

These are girls with legitimate full-time day jobs. I guess looking for some evening fun, excitement and presumably supplemental income.

I understand that the BATS & CJ'S freelancers start at 1. 5 million.

Where do these part-timers fall in the pay scale?

Is there ever a freebie and how do you know the etiquette? I am ok with paying, but I am just curious. Never had a freebie in Indonesia. Had a few in the Philippines years ago.

Thanks In Advance.

SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2166640]Based on advise from Hilo 77, I started to be a bit more aggressive with my Indo Cupid dates. Regarding their expectations of our time together. As I arrive in less than 2 weeks.

Several will now mention that they want to come to my room after "drinks and dancing". Ha ha ha.

These are girls with legitimate full-time day jobs. I guess looking for some evening fun, excitement and presumably supplemental income.

I understand that the BATS & CJ'S freelancers start at 1. 5 million.

Where do these part-timers fall in the pay scale?

Is there ever a freebie and how do you know the etiquette? I am ok with paying, but I am just curious. Never had a freebie in Indonesia. Had a few in the Philippines years ago.

Thanks In Advance.

SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]With freebies I usually will make sure that pay for food, drinks, and maybe buy a gift. Pretty much like you were on a date. In the past I have bought perfume from Australia that they have requested or alcohol. I think the term freebie is a misnomer but it's refreshing not digging into wallet after the act.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2166162]Here's New Kimochi Mabes 2. It's basically behind Kartika or Illigals. you could walk to it from Hotel Mercure.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/dewakimochi/[/URL]
[/QUOTE]Nice lineup. What are the prices there?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2166162]If I am not mistaken, New Kimochi Mabes 2 is none of those.
Here's New Kimochi Mabes 2. It's basically behind Kartika or Illigals. you could walk to it from Hotel Mercure. [URL]https://www.instagram.com/dewakimochi/[/URL]

Of the chicks on that Kimochi Mabes instagram site, I think I'd probably go with this one. It appears they do not have a steam room or sauna though so I won't be visiting.[/QUOTE]A lot of the girls look young and doable. My first impression from the website is; the place kind of reminds me of Nataree. The girl whose photo I have just attached to this post, for example, found right at the top of the instagram list looks cute, sweet, and naughty to me. Just my kind of girl. 555. Thanks for the link. I might just check this place out in my ongoing efforts to expand my Jakarta horizon.

To give back to this thread I took one for the team and visited kimochi Mabes 2. Oddly the sign in the front says no. 6.

Walk in and you see photos of about 100 girls on the wall. Problem is that every girl I wanted was not working, including the photo Smoothy posted. I believe her name was keysha and not working today or this week. Maybe 20 girls available. The guy was really nice and patient as I tried to figure out who was working. Photos on one part of the wall and numbers listed of the girls working a distance away. I finally chose a girl. She did not look as good as the photo. She wasn't unattractive by any means but just facially not my type. I would not have chosen her at classic, travel or any of the kota Indah bars.

The massage was decent. She kept all her clothes on and moved away when I went for her tits. HJ was OK. No asking of any other extras. She was actually a very fun girl.

Price was 180 k for room and 150 k for the girl. You do not pay the girl directly so who knows how much of that 150 k she keeps. She would not accept a tip above the 150 k. Not sure if BBBJ or FS available we never discussed that and I figured I would save my energy for tonight.

Not sure if I will return. I really need to see a girl in person. I'm very picky. I only chose a girl to TOFTT. Difficult to catch a taxi after. You need to walk back out to the main street. I decided to just walk all the way to jonisteak.

Are delta and my place massage parlors the same where I do not get to see a girl first?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2166698]Nice lineup. What are the prices there?[/QUOTE]Scroll down the website. You will find this pic with prices. There are also a few pictures of the rooms. They look basic, but relatively clean and well lit.

Good, timely report BB. You posted it while I was atttaching the price photo. I can't believe full service is not on the menu for a little extra. I prefer to see the girls in person first before choosing too. Who doesn't? So, it sounds like this is a pretty simple, baisic place. It still might be worth checking out on a slow afternoon when I have nothing better to do, but it is not at the top of my priorities list.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2166804]
Are delta and my place massage parlors the same where I do not get to see a girl first?[/QUOTE]Yes, that is true. You cannot see the girls first. But you can see them first at Tematik Spa.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2166640]
Several will now mention that they want to come to my room after "drinks and dancing". Ha ha ha.

These are girls with legitimate full-time day jobs. I guess looking for some evening fun, excitement and presumably supplemental income.


[/QUOTE]I am not clear whether the "drinks and dancing" girls are among the previous girls you mentioned (Lya, Maria etc), but that puts a bit of a different perspective on things. A woman who is prioritizing drinks and dancing and not mentioning money does appear to be simply a civilian looking to be entertained on a nice night out (I am assuming at this point that you are reasonably presentable young chap and can hold a fairly decent conversation).

Frankly, if after you have pushed the issue as far as you have without being rude, and no money has been mentioned, then you must be entitled to assume it's a freebie. If she later asks for money, you can pay up, but with ill grace and some annoyance, and she doesn't get a second date.

As regards payment for semi-pros (ie not those openly describing themselves as BO) on Tinder, well how long is a piece of string? Smoothy and I have our differences on this, but I figure if you arrange a short time date, in the afternoon, at a place not far from where she lives, you can get it for around 600 k to 700 k. She isn't exactly overwhelmed with options at that time, she can reach your place by ojek and by maghrib she's free with cash in hand to either go home to mama or stay out and hook another date, at a somewhat higher rate. I certainly would advise not paying more than 800 k for a dating site hook-up, unless we are talking runway model looks and frankly even then why bother? But get it cleared up in advance.

Just my opinions, others will surely disagree (I have to be careful, people are getting a bit sensitive about blokes expressing their opinions around here).

I think it's some kind of religious holiday this weekend in Indonesia. Does anyone know if that will cause the fun places to be closed down this weekend?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2167040]Yes, that is true. You cannot see the girls first. But you can see them first at Tematik Spa.[/QUOTE]What about Orchardz, B Fashion, FM1, Peach Blossom, Griya Sehat, etc. Can I see the girls first?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2167102]What about Orchardz, B Fashion, FM1, Peach Blossom, Griya Sehat, etc. Can I see the girls first?[/QUOTE]Orchardz-don't know.

B Fashion -don't know.

FM1 -Yes.

Peach Blossom-No.

Griya Sehat-No.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2167064]I am not clear whether the "drinks and dancing" girls are among the previous girls you mentioned (Lya, Maria etc), but that puts a bit of a different perspective on things. A woman who is prioritizing drinks and dancing and not mentioning money does appear to be simply a civilian looking to be entertained on a nice night out (I am assuming at this point that you are reasonably presentable young chap and can hold a fairly decent conversation).

Just my opinions, others will surely disagree (I have to be careful, people are getting a bit sensitive about blokes expressing their opinions around here).[/QUOTE]Very astute that you picked up on the change in modus operandi. Ha ha ha.

Yes, this is ANITA from Indo Cupid. We chatted a bit a few months back, then maybe a weekly "Hello," on WhatsApp just to stay in touch. I could never figure out her motives from gentle probing. Encouraged by your observations, I pushed a bit further about how we will spend our time together and she answered back, "after drink and dance we will spend time in room" (smiley face).

LIYA on the other hand says, "I am not intense doing sexs" which I think means "I am not interested in sex".

Yesterday I signed up for Tinder Gold as I will now be in and out of Indonesia within the 30 days for $30 plan.

Tinder is a whole new beast. I am already quickly learning that English is not spoken as much as on the dating sites. More on that as I explore.

I did get 1 match that says - "open BO number me +62* Gk ush basa bari 1,5". I assume the 1,5 meant 1. 5 juta and that this was a pro. What does the BO designation mean??

Lastly, WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OWN OPINION. At least in America. Everyone should simply respect that or at least agree-to-disagree and be courteous about it.

Hilo, Thanks for the sage advice.

11 days and counting!

SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2167105]Orchardz-don't know.
B Fashion -don't know.
FM1 -Yes.
Peach Blossom-No.
Griya Sehat-No.[/QUOTE]Hopefully helpful for BFashion [URL]http://therapistfashionspa.********.com.au/2017/07/nomor-2-anggi-foto-therapist-fashion-spa.html[/URL].

Regards.

NI.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2167091]I think it's some kind of religious holiday this weekend in Indonesia. Does anyone know if that will cause the fun places to be closed down this weekend?[/QUOTE]I'm sure you already know this but everything is open. Not as crazy as last night for sure though.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2167236]I did get 1 match that says - "open BO number me +62* Gk ush basa bari 1,5". I assume the 1,5 meant 1. 5 juta and that this was a pro. What does the BO designation mean??

SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]It translates as "Open Booking, call me +62. No small talk, 1. 5 jt".

"Booking" or "BO" Is she is available to book for sex.

Similarly "no basa basi" indicates she wants to just discuss where and when with no polite Chats or texts needed.

Basically, she's just being honest and upfront that this is a purely commercial arrangement.

I'm not sure if you have seen it but there is a Pen Pals and Chat rooms page on the Philippines board that discusses a lot of MO's that would also be applicable to your situation and in Indonesia generally. It has some good debate on he benefits or planning ahead vs using yhe Apps once you arrive.

Hi,

I plan to be in Jakarta for the weekend the 20th to 22nd of April, so PM me if you want to meet-up.

I have not been to Jakarta for a very long time, and this is a once in a blue moon visit so I want to make the most of it (after RTTF). The plan is to stay in the Harris Vertu, and visit Malioboro and Malio for the day, and on Saturday evening visit CJ or BATS. I am also thinking of visiting Colosseum 1001 for the Friday night. I assume you can take out a lady for a LT there? Since I this is a short trip, I am looking for quality.

I also remember a very long time ago I went to a club / really dark bar, where a mamasan introduced me a few girls that I could talk to first to see if we got on. I remember taking the girl for the whole evening. Any suggestion on the best place to do the same?

Any feedback would be great.

[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2167361]Hi,

I plan to be in Jakarta for the weekend the 20th to 22nd of April, so PM me if you want to meet-up.

I have not been to Jakarta for a very long time, and this is a once in a blue moon visit so I want to make the most of it (after RTTF). The plan is to stay in the Harris Vertu, and visit Malioboro and Malio for the day, and on Saturday evening visit CJ or BATS. I am also thinking of visiting Colosseum 1001 for the Friday night. I assume you can take out a lady for a LT there? Since I this is a short trip, I am looking for quality.

I also remember a very long time ago I went to a club / really dark bar, where a mamasan introduced me a few girls that I could talk to first to see if we got on. I remember taking the girl for the whole evening. Any suggestion on the best place to do the same?

Any feedback would be great.[/QUOTE]Heads up that 1001 (I. E. KTV / Club not spa) can get very expensive to book the girl out for LT. They use voucher system there, so the lowest price for 1 voucher is 600 K, and the next tier level is 1 mil. So you pay 1 voucher to book the girl while in the club to accompany you and probably another 5 vouchers to book her out LT. Then they still expect a tip the next day, as they are required to pay off their mamasan. If you add them up, they are not cheap. However, I do like the quality of the girls there. At least they accept credit cards and to think about it, Jakarta is one of the very few places where you can actually use your CC for P4P.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164684]What good does that do when they all went home to their villages for Idul Fitri?[/QUOTE]One of my contacts has her family living in Jakarta, so she will be there. There are some others, too. Not all is hopeless.

CJ's may be moneywise a better option than a take out from let's say Malio. As for Tinder, I don't see any need to pay for it, as it is a spontaneous thing. You just have to 'relocate' your profile on FB to your travel location prior to signing into Tinder.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2167105]Orchardz-don't know.[/QUOTE]It's a no. Another one of those places where you pick a random number and hope she isn't a dog.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2167393]One of my contacts has her family living in Jakarta, so she will be there. There are some others, too. Not all is hopeless.[/QUOTE]If she is Christian, you are in luck. If she is Muslim, you are still likely out of luck. At least that's my experience.

[QUOTE=Questner;2167441]CJ's may be moneywise a better option than a take out from let's say Malio.[/QUOTE]Especially these days. In the past, CJs and BATS girls used to stand firm at 2 million or sometimes even 2.5 million. It's quite the norm now for the girls to accept 1 million.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2167452]Especially these days. In the past, CJs and BATS girls used to stand firm at 2 million or sometimes even 2.5 million. It's quite the norm now for the girls to accept 1 million.[/QUOTE]Is that ST or LT? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2167452]Especially these days. In the past, CJs and BATS girls used to stand firm at 2 million or sometimes even 2.5 million. It's quite the norm now for the girls to accept 1 million.[/QUOTE]I've been following the Jak forum for a while now and basically gleamed that girls at Bats & CJ were after anywhere from 1 mill to 2. 5. So now it is 1 mill. Please forgive me if I am a little confused. Could you elaborate a bit for us please. So the average would be?? Lower end is 1 mill I imagine? 2 mil is 146 US and I ain't paying that. I've been tossing up whether to go to PP or Jak and due to Blok M closing down and prices decided on PP.

In KL I can get 3 HR FL ST for around 90 US with hot looking Viet girls, sometimes a little less. Just need another location where things are a little bit cheaper as I travel for 3/4 wks and it soon adds up if you monger most nights.

Appreciate anyone's feedback / ideas.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2167619]In KL I can get 3 HR FL ST for around 90 US with hot looking Viet girls, sometimes a little less. Just need another location where things are a little bit cheaper as I travel for 3/4 wks and it soon adds up if you monger most nights.[/QUOTE]Which KL bars are you finding hot Viet Girls for 90 Usd per night?

Cheapest place would be Phnom Penh at 50 to 70 usd per night but don't expect a top Cambodian girl to look as hot as a top Thai, indo, or viet girl.

Maybe Laos is cheaper? Never been.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2167637]don't expect a top Cambodian girl to look as hot as a top Thai, indo, or viet girl.
[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. The 2nd hottest Asian girl I have ever been with was a Cambodian girl. I was staying at the Intercontinental hotel in Phnom Penh. I forget the name of the bar, but there was a popular one just outside that hotel and to the right within easy walking distance. The girl wanted 10 dollars for the night and was absolutely stunning. This was around 2002, so it was quite a while ago (and the only time I ever visited Phnom Penh), but the girl was damn hot.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2167619]I've been following the Jak forum for a while now and basically gleamed that girls at Bats & CJ were after anywhere from 1 mill to 2. 5. So now it is 1 mill. Please forgive me if I am a little confused. Could you elaborate a bit for us please. So the average would be?? Lower end is 1 mill I imagine? 2 mil is 146 US and I ain't paying that. I've been tossing up whether to go to PP or Jak and due to Blok M closing down and prices decided on PP.

In KL I can get 3 HR FL ST for around 90 US with hot looking Viet girls, sometimes a little less. Just need another location where things are a little bit cheaper as I travel for 3/4 wks and it soon adds up if you monger most nights.

Appreciate anyone's feedback / ideas.[/QUOTE]There is no set price. You negotiate. Many guys are still paying 2 million to 2. 5 million. However, about 5 years ago, getting one of the hotter girls to take a million was close to impossible. Now, they still ask for 2 million but can be talked down if there are not other guys clamoring for their services. If you can get a hot viet girl for 90 in KL, you should stick with KL. There are some hot viet girls in Jakarta on occasion but for sure they will want 2 million for short time.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2167488]Is that ST or LT? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I never do LT so I have no idea how much the girls want for long time. I prefer they leave my place 5 minutes after I cum. Even if they ask to stay the night, I throw them out.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2167637]Which KL bars are you finding hot Viet Girls for 90 Usd per night?
Cheapest place would be Phnom Penh at 50 to 70 usd per night but don't expect a top Cambodian girl to look as hot as a top Thai, indo, or viet girl.
Maybe Laos is cheaper? Never been.[/QUOTE]Had a 9 once but mainly 7 & 8's. I am pretty fussy but scrub up ok (even though I am well over 50) and seem to be able to get girls for 350 RM.

Have had 7's and 8's say money not important just want to be with you. Not trying to boast just saying how I find it.

NI.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2167688]There is no set price. You negotiate. Many guys are still paying 2 million to 2. 5 million. However, about 5 years ago, getting one of the hotter girls to take a million was close to impossible. Now, they still ask for 2 million but can be talked down if there are not other guys clamoring for their services. If you can get a hot viet girl for 90 in KL, you should stick with KL. There are some hot viet girls in Jakarta on occasion but for sure they will want 2 million for short time.[/QUOTE]Appreciate reply. Just looking for somewhere else to go cheapish. Looked at Hat Yai, PP and surrounds, Batam & Jak. KL has been my base for my last 3 trips and going back in June. When I read of experiences and prices some mongers pay I often wonder why it is I get the price and service I get. I am caucasian (this makes you stand out in KL, Aussie, don't drink or smoke, I make sure hygiene is good but don't over dress. Have that casual look. When I talk to girls I am confident but respectful and try to play the "nice guy" role. Being over 50 I have had a few years working out what women want to hear and how to treat them. Not saying I am a playboy or Casanova but its amazing what can be accomplished when you focus on them and not so much at getting your dick in ASAP. Just sayin. Oh 350 is for ST which when negotiating for me MUST mean Min 2 hrs, MUST DFK, must 2 pops, BBBJ, and associated GF Exp. This is reinforced at least twice at club before hand. I also tell them no BS or no $. Am quite prepared to boot out.

Unlike Smoothy I like a kiss and cuddle after so everybody is different. Am quite prepared to tip too. My general offer is 300 base plus 50/100 tip for good performance. That's always starting point and many accept. If they negotiate too hard I walk. Not good sign.

I think top price I paid last time was 400.

Can't wait till June when I am trying Penang as well. As usual a lengthy report will follow.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2167790]Appreciate reply. Just looking for somewhere else to go cheapish.[/QUOTE]Have you thought of the Philippines after Indo? Good connections to Jakarta and Bali and USD 20-40 LT in the Provinces rising to $60-80 in Metro Manila.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2167452]Especially these days. In the past, CJs and BATS girls used to stand firm at 2 million or sometimes even 2.5 million. It's quite the norm now for the girls to accept 1 million.[/QUOTE]My experience is limited. Last time I parted with 1. 2 M and 100 K for a taxi (would get her anywhere). She was not the cutest or the youngest but a nice person and left after 2 hours. That night girls the hot ones whom I chatted with started with $200 offer, then 2 M IDR. I think they can get it given the class of the hotel and its predominantly affluent Asian business clientele.

One of the hottest girls in Thailand that I had was from Buriram, a town closer to Cambodian border. She was Thai, but still looked more khmer to me.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2166797]A lot of the girls look young and doable. My first impression from the website is; the place kind of reminds me of Nataree. The girl whose photo I have just attached to this post, for example, found right at the top of the instagram list looks cute, sweet, and naughty to me. Just my kind of girl. 555. Thanks for the link. I might just check this place out in my ongoing efforts to expand my Jakarta horizon.[/QUOTE]Review on 555 - I have tried her already. She seems ok and willing to please on the face of it, but the moment you drop your pants down (or in my case, when I did), she saw my johnson and said "its too big! And let's be honest, I am not a Nigerian to be endowed with one. I am a humble Asian, everyone knows we don't have big size down below! So all in all, I sent her back. My recommendation for the place would be as follows:

1. Yes FS is available, you would pay IDR 540,000 for 90 minutes, this would include one shot with the girl.

2. Have tried a few birds there. Few recos. Rebecca (massive tits, a little belly fat, but extremely eager to please), Ega (forget the number) amazing pussy, cute face, Puput (350) amazingly tall and beautiful, got her to squirt one day and it was absolutely spectacular.

Few issues. When I start my deed, I politely ask the ladies to take a bath with me. All parts (no exceptions) get cleaned thoroughly. Post 3 pm is not a good time to go, some of their mouths would tell you the menu of the lunch they had! I usually tend to go there in the morning. Birds are fresh as dew and high on energy.

Hope this helps fellow bretheren.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2167811]Have you thought of the Philippines after Indo? Good connections to Jakarta and Bali and USD 20-40 LT in the Provinces rising to $60-80 in Metro Manila.[/QUOTE]Been to Sabang twice, Manila once, Subic Bay and Cebu recently. Exactly what do you mean by provinces? I thought Bali was a hole and mongering poor. Thanks.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2167920]Been to Sabang twice, Manila once, Subic Bay and Cebu recently. Exactly what do you mean by provinces?[/QUOTE]It depends what your interested in. Like Indonesia, the Philippines is large and diverse.

Personally, I enjoy the beaches around Cebu island and the Visayas generally. Davao had some of the best looking women I have seen for a long time.

It would be best to search the Philippine forum and move the discussion there if you are looking for more info.

Is that true that dancers at Malio don't dance topless anymore?

I visited Siem Reap last year and found that Khemer girls don't take no back seat to nobody! I was like a kid in a candy store with the line up that included some absolute stunners. A bit pricey at between USD 100 to 150 for ST but heck, all that "happy" pizza and shakes had clouded my judgement!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2167637]Which KL bars are you finding hot Viet Girls for 90 Usd per night?

Cheapest place would be Phnom Penh at 50 to 70 usd per night but don't expect a top Cambodian girl to look as hot as a top Thai, indo, or viet girl.

Maybe Laos is cheaper? Never been.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMen2099;2168054]Is that true that dancers at Malio don't dance topless anymore?[/QUOTE]They don't dance topless anywhere anymore. And most places that did have dancers in the past don't have them at all anymore.

If you are coming to Jakarta to see dancers, you are going to be disappointed.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2167619]I've been following the Jak forum for a while now and basically gleamed that girls at Bats & CJ were after anywhere from 1 mill to 2. 5. So now it is 1 mill. Please forgive me if I am a little confused. Could you elaborate a bit for us please. So the average would be?? Lower end is 1 mill I imagine? 2 mil is 146 US and I ain't paying that. I've been tossing up whether to go to PP or Jak and due to Blok M closing down and prices decided on PP.

In KL I can get 3 HR FL ST for around 90 US with hot looking Viet girls, sometimes a little less. Just need another location where things are a little bit cheaper as I travel for 3/4 wks and it soon adds up if you monger most nights.

Appreciate anyone's feedback / ideas.[/QUOTE]To New Image.

There many options here in Jarkata you can get girl all over the city at different price level, you can get girl at club like classic and hotel travel as cheap as 350 k that is less than 30 usd, if you go to high end club or high end disco girl start at 1 mil for ST and 2. 5 mil for LT it depend on quality of the girl it also depend on time of the night and your skill to bargain, I still think it is much cheaper here than KL and a lot more options.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2168207] you can get girl at club like classic and hotel travel as cheap as 350 k that is less than 30 usd[/QUOTE]Yes, if you take them to a short time room inside the brothel for an hour, that is the price. If you take that same Classic or Travel girl outside to your hotel room, it's 2 million rupiah (provided you take her after 11pm, if you take her around 5pm until next morning it will cost you between 3 and a half to 4 million rupiah).

If you are happy having sex in a short time room on site and not taking the girl to your own room, then it's cheap. Otherwise, Jakarta is not cheap.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2168233]Yes, if you take them to a short time room inside the brothel for an hour, that is the price. If you take that same Classic or Travel girl outside to your hotel room, it's 2 million rupiah (provided you take her after 11pm, if you take her around 5pm until next morning it will cost you between 3 and a half to 4 million rupiah).
If you are happy having sex in a short time room on site and not taking the girl to your own room, then it's cheap. Otherwise, Jakarta is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Appreciate Smoothy. Many mongers VMD but service like this is like Mcdonalds -yeah its cheap and its OK every once in a while but hardly constitutes as food.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2168233]If you are happy having sex in a short time room on site and not taking the girl to your own room, then it's cheap. Otherwise, Jakarta is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Not making a good case for Jakarta right now.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2168233]Yes, if you take them to a short time room inside the brothel for an hour, that is the price. If you take that same Classic or Travel girl outside to your hotel room, it's 2 million rupiah (provided you take her after 11pm, if you take her around 5pm until next morning it will cost you between 3 and a half to 4 million rupiah).

If you are happy having sex in a short time room on site and not taking the girl to your own room, then it's cheap. Otherwise, Jakarta is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Wow, based on this pricing model, it looks like the management of the company expects their girls to have anywhere between 8 to 10 sessions a day onsite. This is disturbing.

I have seen many 'executive clubs' around. Are these bars where you can pick up girls or do them at the clubs?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2168153]They don't dance topless anywhere anymore. And most places that did have dancers in the past don't have them at all anymore.

If you are coming to Jakarta to see dancers, you are going to be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, are they still serving girls (local and non local)?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2168478]Not making a good case for Jakarta right now.[/QUOTE]So I'm looking for an 6, 7, 8 FL girl I can take back to my hotel for 2 hrs for GFE for around 1 Mill to 1.2 Mill. Based on your knowledge / experience is this doable?

Looked at staying at Novotel Jakarta Gajah Mada Hotel and trying the surrounding area. But have been told quality is poor around Lokasari Square and Jaylan Mangga Besar.

Doable?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2168696]So I'm looking for an 6,7,8 FL girl I can take back to my hotel for 2 hrs for GFE for around 1 Mill to 1. 2 Mill. Based on your knowledge / experience is this doable?
[/QUOTE]Many punters including myself have had a lot of fun picking up quality FL girls at CJ's & Bats for around your price range. LT in my experience is more. This is probably your best bet for what you are seeking, but you know, that if this is your 1st time in Jakarta. "When in Rome" applies. IE You won't know what you're missing unless you give it a try and check out Malio, Malioboro, The Pool at 1001 Hotel, Emporium Spa & King's Cross ie the BORDELLOS.

You know what I like. I like similar to what you like. When I am in BKK, Pattaya, MNL & Phnom, I like to pick up sexy, amorous, young spinners in Go Go's and bars and take them back to my hotel for party party. Modified Natty ST lasting 4 or 5 hours. Then I like to repeat with the good ones while still searching for more new ones until my trip is over.

But Jakarta is different. In Jakarta, I have found that the best selection of sexy, amorous, young Indo girls are in the bordellos and it is just tooo damn expensive to barfine them out of their venue. That is just the way it is here. However, I have also found that when you click with a bordello girl she will happily come visit you before or after work or on her day off. So, I make some adjustments when I visit Jakarta and the result is I have a really great time with some amazing young girls. I think you will like the girls in CJ's, but I also believe you will like a lot of the girls in Malioboro and King's Cross for example. Jakarta is a treasure trove of young, natural, pussy talent. Don't fight it. Enjoy it! You only live once.

Traveling next week to Jakarta from the USA.

In 2014 I worked on Java and owned a locally purchased phone.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S8 in the USA. I am told by Verizon that the phone is unlocked and can be used in Indonesia.

I have a friend buying me a local sim card for my phone.

I have done extensive research and planning for dates, but I am wondering if my phone will retain my WhatsApp contact info when I switch sim's?

If I lose everything, I will be partially shit out of luck.

Does anyone know?

Thanks, SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2168729]Traveling next week to Jakarta from the USA.

In 2014 I worked on Java and owned a locally purchased phone.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S8 in the USA. I am told by Verizon that the phone is unlocked and can be used in Indonesia.

I have a friend buying me a local sim card for my phone.

I have done extensive research and planning for dates, but I am wondering if my phone will retain my WhatsApp contact info when I switch sim's?

If I lose everything, I will be partially shit out of luck.

Does anyone know?

Thanks, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]First off, you are using a Droid phone and you can let Google back up your contacts with the Google Contacts App. If you don't have Google Contacts, its free at Google Play. If you let Whatsapp to access your contacts, it will look for the backup. As a secondary measure, take then down on paper or save then on a digital document stored in Google Drive. But Google should be able to reinstall your contacts when you log back into your Google account, and even reinstall some of your messages.

One thing about docs in Google Drive is that you can actually download them onto your phone, if you find yourself in a situation with no WiFi and a poor data connection. That way you can have the doc loaded on the phone. I did that with the Bali X-Map so I could find the X-houses of Sanur by looking at my without being captive to any data connectivity.

I believe with Whatsapp, you might need to log back in with the phone number you used to set up your account with. I. E, use your home phone number. But all your contacts should be there. I used an XL Axiata card in Bali, and installed Whatsapp when a X-house girl wanted to hook up at my hotel later in the week. She entered her contact info in my regular phone contacts. When I installed Whatsapp installed, I had to log in again, but Whatsapp found her in my contacts. Whatsapp will also send you a text message with an access code to make sure its you but it you can also let it detect the access code automatically if you let it. If you don't see your contact immediately in Whatsapp, just search their name with the search feature. I just reinstalled Whatsapp just now (I'd removed it because I have no stateside contacts who use it, and most of my Asian contacts were of no consequence and some were just pestering me) as a experiment, and that's what happened. But, I recall once I got back in the states 3 weeks ago, and reinserted my domestic SIM card, I still had Whatsapp on my phone and still had the contacts and conversations of the three new contacts I added in Bali. So, I am thinking just swapping the SIM over should be all you need to do.

Alternately, you could set up a new Whatsapp account with your new Indonesian number, and let Whatsapp look for your contacts in Google (after you have logged back into Google) or install the Google Contact App, which will also be searched by Whatsapp for people with Whatsapp accounts. Its really easy. So, you shouldn't have anything to worry about really.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2168729]Traveling next week to Jakarta from the USA.

In 2014 I worked on Java and owned a locally purchased phone.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S8 in the USA. I am told by Verizon that the phone is unlocked and can be used in Indonesia.

I have a friend buying me a local sim card for my phone.

I have done extensive research and planning for dates, but I am wondering if my phone will retain my WhatsApp contact info when I switch sim's?

If I lose everything, I will be partially shit out of luck.

Does anyone know?

Thanks, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]You might want to do a bit more research about your phone compatibility, since Verizon runs on CDMA, while the majority of wireless in Jakarta is on GSM. LTE depending on the supported band might make it no longer an issue, but the last time I checked last year, LTE was still not widespread there. As far as whatsapp is concerned, you can use your existing account when switching sim card, no problem there.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2168749]You might want to do a bit more research about your phone compatibility, since Verizon runs on CDMA, while the majority of wireless in Jakarta is on GSM. LTE depending on the supported band might make it no longer an issue, but the last time I checked last year, LTE was still not widespread there. As far as whatsapp is concerned, you can use your existing account when switching sim card, no problem there.[/QUOTE]One odd quirk about the Verizon phones is the newer and nicer phones are hybrid GSM / CDMA phones, and will work on GSM networks when taken abroad. That includes the newer iPhones and newer Galaxy phones. But they use a proprietary CDMA network in the US. Its worth nothing that Verizon phones are not operative with other CDMA networks in the US, such as Sprint and the cheap Sprint resellers, and the old MetroPCS CDMA network.

I have also encountered Verizon branded phones on Ebay, that have been unlocked and can be used on GSM networks in the US. Otherwise, a regular locked Verizon or Sprint phone tends to be awfully cheap on the aftermarket due to their captivity.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2168706]Many punters including myself have had a lot of fun picking up quality FL girls at CJ's & Bats for around your price range. LT in my experience is more. This is probably your best bet for what you are seeking, but you know, that if this is your 1st time in Jakarta. "When in Rome" applies. IE You won't know what you're missing unless you give it a try and check out Malio, Malioboro, The Pool at 1001 Hotel, Emporium Spa & King's Cross ie the BORDELLOS.

You know what I like. I like similar to what you like. When I am in BKK, Pattaya, MNL & Phnom, I like to pick up sexy, amorous, young spinners in Go Go's and bars and take them back to my hotel for party party. Modified Natty ST lasting 4 or 5 hours. Then I like to repeat with the good ones while still searching for more new ones until my trip is over.

But Jakarta is different. In Jakarta, I have found that the best selection of sexy, amorous, young Indo girls are in the bordellos and it is just tooo damn expensive to barfine them out of their venue. That is just the way it is here. However, I have also found that when you click with a bordello girl she will happily come visit you before or after work or on her day off. So, I make some adjustments when I visit Jakarta and the result is I have a really great time with some amazing young girls. I think you will like the girls in CJ's, but I also believe you will like a lot of the girls in Malioboro and King's Cross for example. Jakarta is a treasure trove of young, natural, pussy talent. Don't fight it. Enjoy it! You only live once.[/QUOTE]Tried to PM you but your box is full. Seems everybody is asking or thanking you.

[QUOTE=XMen2099;2168629]Thanks for the update, are they still serving girls (local and non local)?[/QUOTE]On a recent trip (post Anies getting stuck into Alexis) I was eagerly awaiting my visit to the club floor of FM1 to select from the mamasan who provides the best girls there. Only to be greeted by no assistants, no music, no girls, and just the mamasan sitting there with the other forlorn mamasans. Who then directed me down to level 2 to see the girls. Ok, though that would be fine. Only to find 5 women (not girls) rather than the 50+ regular selection. In short. It's not good!

Quick, someone get Anies a shipping container full of stuffed white envelopes before it's too late!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2168747]

I believe with WhatsApp, you might need to log back in with the phone number you used to set up your account with. I. E, use your home phone number. But all your contacts should be there. [/QUOTE]I use WhatsApp all over Asia and swap sim cards in and out. Putting a new SIM card in will have NO ability on you accessing your contacts. It may ask if you want to update your Whatsapp number to the SIM number, I. E. Change to the Indo number, but you don't have to do that. So NO you don't need to log back in with your home number if you are not reinstalling the app. Keep the app open before changing SIMs to be safe.

WhatsApp links back to your normal contacts list, at least for iOS it does so even if you loss your Whatsapp app it will rebuild the contacts from your normal contact list, unless you have specifically kept these unlinked.

One thing I have done is to change my Whatsapp number to a local SIM in a foreign country when I am in that place with a SIM. This way my home phone number is shielded and my foreign GF's cannot decide to ring my cell phone or have a direct link to my home life. This means of course that my US friends cannot locate my WhatsApp account with my US cell phone as before. So I have to get their WhatsApp number first and message them. Then we are connected.

I am sure you know that if you get a local girls number then you can search that number (with proper country code) and if she has WhatsApp she will pop-up often with a nice photo. I always get phone numbers and connect back via WhatsApp (or Viber depending on the country).

Also, I highly recommend BBM (Blackberry Messenger) which somewhat common in Indo and I use that a lot. It has great security login features, it can make messages available for only 25 or 60 seconds and then disappear, and you can retract your entire chat from the other person's phone. Its perfect for having those nasty chats and then making sure you have not left a trail that may come back to bite you. You create a PIN number and use this to connect with other users, which again protects your phone number privacy. It used to be very popular in Indo but Whatsapp is provided by the carriers as free data and BBM uses data (not much, same as Whatapp in the US). For this reason, some girls will not have it on their phones and you need to convince them to download it. Most will if they want to keep you in their circle for future business. It has all the features of WhatsApp and many more privacy options. I avoid Whatsapp when possible. Same deal with changing SIMs it continues to work. Also will work on a tablet. Download in the US or when you arrive in Indo.

Last suggestion, if you use the national carrier, Telkomel SIM Pati, then you can download their app (My Telekomel) and easily manage your top-ups and chose data packages while you are in Indo or even offshore. You have to be onshore to set up the first time. I like this because I can load a data package before I board my flight and the moment the plane lands, Bam! I'm connected and sending BBM messages to the girls and arranging my afternoon or evening. Data is very cheap (1GB or $0.73) and good 4 G and some LTE coverage. Much cheaper and faster than AT&T or the US carriers. Often fast than the free hotel wifi.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2169163]I use WhatsApp all over Asia and swap sim cards in and out. Putting a new SIM card in will have NO ability on you accessing your contacts. It may ask if you want to update your Whatsapp number to the SIM number, I. E. Change to the Indo number, but you don't have to do that. So NO you don't need to log back in with your home number if you are not reinstalling the app. Keep the app open before changing SIMs to be safe.

WhatsApp links back to your normal contacts list, at least for iOS it does so even if you loss your Whatsapp app it will rebuild the contacts from your normal contact list, unless you have specifically kept these unlinked.

One thing I have done is to change my Whatsapp number to a local SIM in a foreign country when I am in that place with a SIM. This way my home phone number is shielded and my foreign GF's cannot decide to ring my cell phone or have a direct link to my home life. This means of course that my US friends cannot locate my WhatsApp account with my US cell phone as before. So I have to get their WhatsApp number first and message them. Then we are connected.[/QUOTE]Very good and helpful post. I had a lot of Whatsapp contacts prior to my last trip. However, when I realized they were a waste of time, I just plain uninstalled Whatsapp, as I saw WeChat as being popular at least with the people I was actually contacting. So, I was reinstalling Whatsapp in Indonesia with my XL sim after I got a request to connect on Whatsapp, and went through the process all over again. I am glad to hear that you can move from SIM to SIM with Whatsapp intact on your phone with all your contacts in place.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2168233]Yes, if you take them to a short time room inside the brothel for an hour, that is the price. If you take that same Classic or Travel girl outside to your hotel room, it's 2 million rupiah (provided you take her after 11pm, if you take her around 5pm until next morning it will cost you between 3 and a half to 4 million rupiah).

If you are happy having sex in a short time room on site and not taking the girl to your own room, then it's cheap. Otherwise, Jakarta is not cheap.[/QUOTE]To Smoothy.

All of us like to have a hot model every night but my budget don't allow me to do that, I do like to go to the top club or to Delta spa once on every trip to spoil myself and I just want to tell New Image he don't need to spend 2 mil rp on girl every night.

Fast Eddie 48.

Arriving home last night I saw a news report about a club somewhere that has been shut down because of a drug overdose (not a cop this time, unusually), Exotic was its name, not somewhere I had heard of and I don't think it has cropped up here. The only reason I mention it is that the news video showing the exterior of the building showed a "Kimochi" spa next door, which was a bit of a coincidence as I had never heard of it either until it cropped up in recent weeks on this forum.

Anyone got any more detailed knowledge?

All,

I will be in town on the weekend so PM if you want to get a beer.

It will be my first time in Jakarta, and I am looking for a bit of advice. Should I go to CJ or BAT on the Friday or Saturday night? Thinking also of visiting the the Pool at 1001 Hotel and Malioboro but what is the best time? Could go to the pool first and CJ later I guess. Also might try 1001 the KTV, but my guess is that it is no fun on your own.

Also other than the FL at CJ & BATs are there any place that you could take out a nice lady or two? Will also visit Malioboro.

Thanks guys for all the help so far, and I will post a report when I get back.

[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2169388]Also other than the FL at CJ & BATs are there any place that you could take out a nice lady or two? Will also visit Malioboro[/QUOTE]Sorry I have not had time to write in detail but skip malioboro unless you're into girls well into their 30's. You're better off hitting classic or travel or if you're more interested in service head to kota Indah (grand LA, starmoon, mtr, sari ayu, royal) or Kelapa Gading (king cross, mtr2, sumo spa, D heaven). You can find many girls in their early 20's at those places, all for the same as or less than you would pay for a malioboro girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2169443]Sorry I have not had time to write in detail but skip malioboro unless you're into girls well into their 30's. You're better off hitting classic or travel or if you're more interested in service head to kota Indah (grand LA, starmoon, mtr, sari ayu, royal) or Kelapa Gading (king cross, mtr2, sumo spa, D heaven). You can find many girls in their early 20's at those places, all for the same as or less than you would pay for a malioboro girl.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I am staying in the centre of town so I might go to Melaka Gading. What about the place mext to malioboro, malio (or something like that).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2169443]Sorry I have not had time to write in detail but skip malioboro unless you're into girls well into their 30's. You're better off hitting classic or travel or if you're more interested in service head to kota Indah (grand LA, starmoon, mtr, sari ayu, royal) or Kelapa Gading (king cross, mtr2, sumo spa, D heaven). You can find many girls in their early 20's at those places, all for the same as or less than you would pay for a malioboro girl.[/QUOTE]Dude, you think the girls at Malioboro are old and well into their 30's? Sorry, but that is flat out wrong. Makes me think you never went there. Most of the girls at Malioboro are just as young as the other places you mentioned. As a matter of fact, the last 2 girls I went with at Kota Indah were only around 20 years old, but had worked at Malioboro for over a year before working at Kota Indah. I have been with girls from King Cross, Hotel Classic, and all the rest who have started at Malioboro and now moved to those other places and were still young 20's. The last girl I was with at Malioboro was 19. There are some extremely young girls at Malioboro just like anywhere else. Hell, I took a King Cross girl to Bali once who had told me she was 20. But on her ID card it said she was 24. I asked her how old she really was and she told me she was 20 and had a fake ID made for when she started at Malioboro when she was younger because she wasn't old enough to work yet at that time. To say Malioboro only has old girls is laughable. The disadvantage to Malioboro is not that the girls are old. they are not. It's that the price is higher than the down market places. The advantage to Malioboro is I don't have to hang out in a crap dirty crowded smoke filled environment with low class locals. Kelapa Gading King Cross, Sumo and D Heaven are also good options similar to Malioboro. But MTR2 does not charge a cover so it's a step below in my opinion as far as environment simply because of the clientelle. I don't just care about where I can find the cheapest girls possible, I also care about the environment.

I wish what you were saying was correct. Maybe your visits to malioboro over the past 2 weeks were very different. I even stayed at Harris Vertu so I could walk to malio hotel. Maybe I just happened to choose 2 lousy weekend nights at malioboro. You have been there many more times than I have so you would know better. Each time I have been to malioboro it has been a morgue. About 50 girls sitting on their ass and maybe 5 customers.

Malio club does have younger girls than malioboro but nothing special over the past 2 weeks. You've seen who I like at starmoon, LA, and royal. I haven't seen that quality in malioboro or malio club. There was 1 dancer in malio club 2 months ago. Like I said, maybe I chose 2 wrong weekend nights to visit over the past 2 weeks. Maybe it's better on weekdays?

I don't know MarlboroRed but I can take a guess that he isn't too interested in buying 20 shooters costing 1. 3 million for a BJ.

If not reported yet, entry to malio club is 150k now. Pretty sure it was 100k a couple months ago.

Hi,

I first want to thank everyone for the information that you shared. On Friday, I arrived late so I just went to CJ. It there was a nice crowed, and with a group of nice ladies for all taste. YMMV, and I found it a bit too loud for my liking.

On Saturday, I visited hotel 1001 "The Pool". The place either had a KTV (and there were a few girls there) and the pool area, which I decided to visit. The place is really nice, with a somewhat dark (but not too dark) lounge area where you can chill ad have a beer or two. All the girls sit on the other side of the lounge, so you are not hassled.

When you are ready, call the mamasan and based on your requirements, she get you the line up. The rate is 1. 5 M for a local and 3 M for imports. I saw both and the quality of the girls are good and they are all welled dressed. The idea is that you get to spend 1 hour with the girl in the lounge (it is nice if you buy her a drink) to chit chat, and 1 hour in the room. If you are there with friends, you can take a private booth (by purchasing one of their bottles. Which is not really that expensive if you divided it by 3 or 4) to get the party started before heading to the room.

I did not see any "show"or anything, but then again, I was there early and left around 20:00.

After everything is finished, you walk out and clear you bill, either by cash or credit card. The only thing I did not like was that the cost was broken up all over the place, but it was about right.

Top notch place and will really, really visit again.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2169205]Arriving home last night I saw a news report about a club somewhere that has been shut down because of a drug overdose (not a cop this time, unusually), Exotic was its name, not somewhere I had heard of and I don't think it has cropped up here. The only reason I mention it is that the news video showing the exterior of the building showed a "Kimochi" spa next door, which was a bit of a coincidence as I had never heard of it either until it cropped up in recent weeks on this forum.

Anyone got any more detailed knowledge?[/QUOTE]Exotic was on Jl Mangga Besar Raya Down at the Jl Gunung Sahari end. It was a club out of the same mould as Mille's Golden Crown Etc. I miss those clubs. The thing that made me laugh the most at Mille's was the cross section of Indonesians you would see going in and out of the private rooms, if you sat around and watched for a while. You would see these respectable looking couples and groups, silver haired old girls and suited husbands, straight up the stairs and into the room. A bit like the Arabs, once that door closes it was game on and they were there to have fun.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2167064] <SNIP>

Just my opinions, others will surely disagree (I have to be careful, people are getting a bit sensitive about blokes expressing their opinions around here).[/QUOTE]Just add the more obnoxious ones to your ignore list. I have a relatively brief list (5, I believe) and it save a lot of useless reading.

Regards,

Ko.

So. Last time I had requested for a view it got missed completely by everyone making another feeble attempt yet again. If anyone has tried Go-Jek massage-at-home? How has been the experience? Is there a possibility of / for more?

Look forward to hearing some views.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2169167]So, I was reinstalling Whatsapp in Indonesia with my XL sim after I got a request to connect on Whatsapp, and went through the process all over again. I am glad to hear that you can move from SIM to SIM with Whatsapp.[/QUOTE]Aren't they making dual SIM phones anymore?

Can anyone please advise where a good soapy massage can be found these days?

Hi all,

I will be visiting Jakarta tomorrow. I have been reading the Jakarta100 bars page and the number of places to visit seems to be overwhelming! Has anyone compiled a list by location with hours, prices, etc? I would like to visit all the spots in an area without having to run all over town!

TIA.

Very useful FR covering both CJ and 1001 for my first visit. I had resolved to visit 1001 after checking out a YouTube video:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAn340OsSss[/URL] and this FR only reinforces my conviction.

[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2170608]Hi,

I first want to thank everyone for the information that you shared. On Friday, I arrived late so I just went to CJ. It there was a nice crowed, and with a group of nice ladies for all taste. YMMV, and I found it a bit too loud for my liking.

On Saturday, I visited hotel 1001 "The Pool". The place either had a KTV (and there were a few girls there) and the pool area, which I decided to visit. The place is really nice, with a somewhat dark (but not too dark) lounge area where you can chill ad have a beer or two. All the girls sit on the other side of the lounge, so you are not hassled.

When you are ready, call the mamasan and based on your requirements, she get you the line up. The rate is 1. 5 M for a local and 3 M for imports..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2171323]So. Last time I had requested for a view it got missed completely by everyone making another feeble attempt yet again. If anyone has tried Go-Jek massage-at-home? How has been the experience? Is there a possibility of / for more?

Look forward to hearing some views.[/QUOTE]They are not happy massages. Maybe you can get it, but its not the format from my two experiences.

How is Jakarta over Ramadan? Is it dead for the entire 30 days? I believe it's from may 15 to June 14 this year.

Jakarta friends, please let me know which are the best bars or clubs to pickup Working Girls from? I must admit I have not RTFF, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=ClitLover2012;2173187]Jakarta friends, please let me know which are the best bars or clubs to pickup Working Girls from? I must admit I have not RTFF, but any help would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am guessing you are Indian. As such, I recommend De Leila or Tiga Kuda. You can google them for details on where they are.

Thanks Smoothy!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2173378]I am guessing you are Indian. As such, I recommend De Leila or Tiga Kuda. You can google them for details on where they are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2171399]Aren't they making dual SIM phones anymore?[/QUOTE]Of course they do, but many people are too lazy or too cheap to look into that. Just bought a really cheap smartphone (General Mobile GM6, first time I heard of the brand) with similar specs to Samsung and others for 200 Euro. Dual SIM, Android 8, 32 Gb internal memory, quad core processor. If you're not into status, that's the way to go.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2172661]They are not happy massages. Maybe you can get it, but its not the format from my two experiences.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your help and reply As long as the masseuse is good looking, perhaps I can throw a few more IDRs as an incentive to 're-think'. In your two experiences, were the masseuse any good looking?

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2173716]Of course they do, but many people are too lazy or too cheap to look into that. Just bought a really cheap smartphone (General Mobile GM6, first time I heard of the brand) with similar specs to Samsung and others for 200 Euro. Dual SIM, Android 8, 32 Gb internal memory, quad core processor. If you're not into status, that's the way to go.[/QUOTE]If you are suggesting that I am lazy or cheap, I actually own a dual-SIM phone and used it for awhile. But, I didn't like using it, and didn't think the convenience was worth it. If I have to buy a SIM upon arrival and then set up the phone anyways, the benefits are limited. If I am flying back and forth between two countries it would be an enormously convenient. But, I have no idea when I will be back to Indonesia (next stop Colombia), and having a SIM card for XL Axiata installed next to my US sim, really doesn't make sense at this point.

This is probably a silly question. Installed Tinder for the first time using a free account. It searched for girls within the 20 miles radius in and around Jakarta, and I put a few liked swipes. In fact, almost all the girls look respectable, not sure how this whole thing works, and what's next.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2169640]Dude, you think the girls at Malioboro are old and well into their 30's? Sorry, but that is flat out wrong. Makes me think you never went there. Most of the girls at Malioboro are just as young as the other places you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Can confirm with everything Smoothy said. Last time I went, there were hardly any girls who were over 30. I went to the club and section where there is a live band and it was fantastic. Maybe somebody can get this impression if one goes to CIS chicks section. But I doubt.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2175172]Can confirm with everything Smoothy said. Last time I went, there were hardly any girls who were over 30. I went to the club and section where there is a live band and it was fantastic. Maybe somebody can get this impression if one goes to CIS chicks section. But I doubt.[/QUOTE]I am agreeing with you. I doubt there are any girls over 30 in there. If there are, it's a small number. I have been with over 100 girls there and never taken a girl over 25 years old. Most are 19 to 22.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2175172]Can confirm with everything Smoothy said. Last time I went, there were hardly any girls who were over 30. I went to the club and section where there is a live band and it was fantastic. Maybe somebody can get this impression if one goes to CIS chicks section. But I doubt.[/QUOTE]My comments about the age was referring to malioboro. Not positive that you went to malioboro, rather to the live band bar and possibly malio club? Can you confirm that you went to Malioboro and not malio club?

Hope you are correct. Will be back at malioboro again soon and will provide feedback.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2175049]This is probably a silly question. Installed Tinder for the first time using a free account. It searched for girls within the 20 miles radius in and around Jakarta, and I put a few liked swipes. In fact, almost all the girls look respectable, not sure how this whole thing works, and what's next.[/QUOTE]I highly recommend the gold option. You can see who liked you before you have to swipe and get many more options like hiding alot of private stuff.

It's super easy in Jakarta and you will get a gazillion likes. I arrived last Monday and installed it for the first time. Tuesday evening a girl I liked and matched visited me already and she is staying with me until I leave next Tuesday But you can also have many many (free) ONS. Jakarta girls are obsessed with foreigners. Not sure if it's the same for 'older' gentleman but as a younger person I doubt you ever have to go out to meet girls. And I'd say 70% of the one matching are awesome and fun girls. They are different then Filipinos but just as sweet and happy and fun. And way more interesting then the Thai (IMO). Jakarta itself is kinda. Mehh but with the right company (and amazing food) it's still a decent spot for a few days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2175423]Can you confirm that you went to Malioboro and not malio club?[/QUOTE]The age of the girls at both of those places is young 20's on the average and if there are any at all over 30, I would be surprised.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2175683]I highly recommend the gold option. You can see who liked you before you have to swipe and get many more options like hiding alot of private stuff.

It's super easy in Jakarta and you will get a gazillion likes. I arrived last Monday and installed it for the first time. Tuesday evening a girl I liked and matched visited me already and she is staying with me until I leave next Tuesday But you can also have many many (free) ONS. Jakarta girls are obsessed with foreigners. Not sure if it's the same for 'older' gentleman but as a younger person I doubt you ever have to go out to meet girls. And I'd say 70% of the one matching are awesome and fun girls. They are different then Filipinos but just as sweet and happy and fun. And way more interesting then the Thai (IMO). Jakarta itself is kinda. Mehh but with the right company (and amazing food) it's still a decent spot for a few days.[/QUOTE]I think the observation should be written as Jakarta girls on Tinder are obsessed with Caucasians only. No wonder I have not much luck in response since I look East Asian. LOL. I did got one response but based on initial chat, red flags were thrown and highly likely a scam in the making. I simply said no. Anyway, I am going to just delete my account after this trip.

Reached CGK around midnight on Wednesday, technically Thursday morning by then, and did not even bother to attempt to visit CJ even though it was the ladies night. I was simply too tired for anything else.

Caught up with a few hours of sleep and later that day decided to see how this whole Tinder works. Fair to say, I am a newbie on this one. I learned later that I have to swipe profiles that I like and wait back for the girl to respond in kind before we can chat via the app. At least that is the way how I think it would work for free account. Anyway, most of the girls that I discovered are not really what I expect. There were photos of girls in hijab and it would be hilarious if they are up to what I hope to achieve. I did not get many response, but there was one time when I received immediate feedback, and she got straight to business by saying BO. I guess that's the keyword for P4 P. Unfortunately, a few things immediately raised my suspicion. First red flag, she mentioned that she can use WhatsApp, but mentioned that her phone camera is kaput. Second red flag, she told me that I don't have to pay her anything, only that I need to pay for the hotel room through an online travel agency which she would book on my behalf. I just said this is not how I play and that's the end of it.

Later that night, oscillating between Malioboro, Illegals or 1001, I ended up at 1001 spa. My last trip was in October and back then it was disappointing, as I broke my own rule of selecting a Vietnamese import and my interaction with her was lackluster.

After going though the front entrance, the receptionist would walk me to the lift and the third floor personally. Next the security guard on the third floor asked for my handphone, and placed these two oversized stickers to cover the front and back of the camera, and the receptionist further mentioned that there is a cover charge of 200 K. Okay, this is definitely something new. As I get seated on one of the high table, a mamasan walked up to me and asked for my preference. I mentioned I am not interested in imports and looking for someone local who can provide GFE. After further interactions, I concluded that she had no idea and told her that I am just going to sit and observe before making a decision. I don't really like the idea of the girls being herded and paraded in front of me. Instead, I prefer to observe from a reasonable distance and gauge which girls would likely provide me with the best service and interaction based on their facial expression and body language. Many of the girls there were young with almost all of them in their twenties.

The girls noticed that I was observing them, and many would look my way and smiled to get my attention. I settled for a girl with the most genuine smile who happened to be also quite chatty. She settled next to me and as the rooms were full, I spent the next 45 minutes or so chatting. I always find it that if the girls are comfortable around you and in fact like you, the services and the overall experience will undoubtedly be enhanced. This girl who goes by the stage name Christina was no exception. Case in point, she started off with standard CBJ and ended up with me CIM twice. She also confessed to me sheepishly that she might be a semi border lesbian, since she likes the threesome experience with another girl, but clarified that she likes girls to fondle and lick her breasts but not necessary her pussy.

A few information tidbits that I find troubling. Christina was new to the game and barely over a month under their employment. Already, she was indebted to the company as soon as she started work. Like all profit maximizing corporation with no moral compass, they would squeeze every last pennies or rupiah in this case on these girls. They would charge an exorbitant amount on the dresses they are required to wear. They require that these girls live in their dorm which is conveniently located behind 1001 building, and of course charge them for everything. They would charge them for the hair stylist and makeup work that they have to have daily before work. They would charge them for the mandatory regular doctor inspections. The girls cannot leave the dorm while working there except during their off days. Their workday is a 12-hour shift and they have a daily target of hitting four vouchers. A voucher is an hour session and cost 1. 1 million each. I would ask how often does she meet her target, and she mentioned hardly ever. In fact, that day I was her first client and it was already nighttime. The spa girls would earn only a third of the voucher value which is something like 370 K and will only be disbursed to the after the month is over. No wonder these girls have to depend heavily on tips provided by their clients.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2176091]There were photos of girls in hijab and it would be hilarious if they are up to what I hope to achieve. [/QUOTE]It's only May and already I have clocked up three civilians on Tinder this year who wear jilbabs, two were married.

They were up for everything I hoped to achieve, and a lot that they wanted to achieve too.

No cash transactions were involved.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2176490]It's only May and already I have clocked up three civilians on Tinder this year who wear jilbabs, two were married.

They were up for everything I hoped to achieve, and a lot that they wanted to achieve too.

No cash transactions were involved.[/QUOTE]Wow, I stand corrected then.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2176052]Jakarta girls on Tinder are obsessed with Caucasians only.[/QUOTE]For sure Indonesian girls on tinder are obsessed with caucasians. However, I'd be surprised if they were only matching caucasians.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2176657]For sure Indonesian girls on tinder are obsessed with caucasians. However, I'd be surprised if they were only matching caucasians.[/QUOTE]I think the system does match me blindly I guess given that my interest profile is pretty much a blank slate literally. Their algorithms can only do so much with limited parameters. It is just that I just never hear back from any initiated chat.

By the way, is there any places where I can bring a girl to chill out (cover band etc) within 2 miles radius of Plaza Indonesia on Tuesday night besides CJ? Clubs like Immigrant is unfortunately closed from Sunday to Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2176676]I think the system does match me blindly I guess given that my interest profile is pretty much a blank slate literally. Their algorithms can only do so much with limited parameters. It is just that I just never hear back from any initiated chat.

By the way, is there any places where I can bring a girl to chill out (cover band etc) within 2 miles radius of Plaza Indonesia on Tuesday night besides CJ? Clubs like Immigrant is unfortunately closed from Sunday to Tuesday.[/QUOTE]B. A. T. S. In Shangri La springs to mind.

Recently visited KC after a lengthy absence and was disappointed with the set up.

Seemed to be a reduced volume of girls and they are no longer seated where they are easily visible for selection.

Instead they are uniformed (which appeared designed not to reveal) and seated within the room which is also not well illuminated.

Result, not easy to view before selection unless request lineups via Mami / Papi.

Miss the old setup which made relaxing with a drink so much more enjoyable.

Read lots recently about 1001. Is it now considered to be the closest thing to former Alexis? Does it have the best stock of Viet's!?

Appreciate any info and will report on forays to be made later this week.

F.

[QUOTE=Frankie555;2176978]Recently visited KC after a lengthy absence and was disappointed with the set up.

Seemed to be a reduced volume of girls and they are no longer seated where they are easily visible for selection.

Instead they are uniformed (which appeared designed not to reveal) and seated within the room which is also not well illuminated.

Result, not easy to view before selection unless request lineups via Mami / Papi.

Miss the old setup which made relaxing with a drink so much more enjoyable.

Read lots recently about 1001. Is it now considered to be the closest thing to former Alexis? Does it have the best stock of Viet's!?

Appreciate any info and will report on forays to be made later this week.

F.[/QUOTE]I only saw a few Viets at 1001 (same company as the now defunct Alexis) when I was there last week, but more girls from CIS this time. There were many pretty local ones which I prefer anyway.

Day2: I reached out via WhatsApp to a freelancer from CJ that I knew from my last trip to escort me that evening. Turned out that she was back in her kampung at Cirebon, a good four hours drive from Jakarta. She referred a few of her friends instead.

I WhatsApped two of them from the list based on the photos. The first one was not available and the second one already had a previous engagement with her regular, but was willing to do a short time with me until 9 PM. I told her that I needed a longer engagement and she being the opportunistic type in turn referred a few of her friends to me. We started off with Bahasa but then slowly ventured off into English. I was surprised that her written English was pretty good considering everything. Turned out that she had a bule boyfriend who is supporting her.

She sent me different photos of her friends and set the expectation of a referral fee. We settled on a price and finders fee for her. I was interested in one of the girls in her list, but turned out that girl also happened to be unavailable that day, while the ones that were available I was not interested. Sensing that I was about to give up, she suggested that we meet up over dinner, and if the girl she brings along does not work out, I will just cover their taxi cost. I agreed since it might not be a bad idea for me to see them in person since I do not trust all these touched up photos. We met up at MO bar with these girls being unfashionably late the Jakarta way.

My new "mamisan" looked much prettier in person than in her photos. Her friend also looked better in person, but unfortunately we just did not click. During the whole time I enjoyed the mamisan more than her friend and I was pulled more and more towards her during interactions. While we were there, the mamisan had also been juggling her whatsapp and had to step out twice to handle phone calls. Later on, she mentioned that she had been trying to field off her jealous bule boyfriend with lies and excuses as to where she was.

That night was a no-go as the mamisan profusely apologized on why she can't be my escort tonight. I told her it was not a problem and mentioned that she would be my go-to person for what future needs. I even told her that if things did not work out with her appointment that night, she can even meet up with me later. After settling the bill and giving them the taxi money as promised, I headed out to meet up with my friends in karaoke.

KTV is not my type of fun but it was for my local friends. We opened a few bottles of tequila that night, and since they were there with either their wives or girlfriends, they booked a KTV girl to accompany me. In case anyone is interested in bringing KTV girl for a night out, I wouldn’t recommend it. First, they would play hard to get and asked for super high amount. Next, they would use a fallback excuse that company policy does not allow them to leave with the clients out of Karaoke directly blah blah blah. In this case, the KTV girl was asking for 5 million and was not willing to budge on price. Already half drunk and with the time approaching 1 AM, I told my friends that I just need to head out to CJs to bring a girl back to my hotel from there instead.

My friend dropped me off at CJ and told he would wait for me in the parking lot and drive me back to my hotel once I hooked up with a girl there. By the way, during our drive there, that earlier KTV girl finally texted me and was willing to reduce her price to 2. 5 million, but however would need to be paid upfront first. This goes against my rule and I told her not to waste my time anymore.

CJ was still crowded and packed with many beautiful girls that Friday night even at 2 AM. Good thing it closes at 4 AM on Fridays. I bumped into a girl with a very sweet smile and we chatted and quickly clicked. However, I told her that I need to make my walk around the place before I can settle for anyone. Did my round, and even though there were several pretty ones that caught my attention, I still ended with the first girl. I texted my friend that I plan to stay at CJ a bit longer and told him that I would leave with the girl later with taxi instead. The girl has a great sense of humor and I enjoyed her company a lot. We left over an hour later for my hotel and had a great ML night with her into early morning.

Anyone know whether the clubs and brothels will be open on Tuesday and Wednesday night next week? I will be in Jakarta for a few days after a long hiatus and as (bad?) luck would have it my visit coincides with the beginning of Ramadan.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2177388]Anyone know whether the clubs and brothels will be open on Tuesday and Wednesday night next week? I will be in Jakarta for a few days after a long hiatus and as (bad?) luck would have it my visit coincides with the beginning of Ramadan.[/QUOTE]Monday and Tuesday absolutely nothing will be open. There is a chance for Wednesday that places will be open, but not sure given the current political situation and crack downs. I would try Malioboro, Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel. They usually stay open more than anywhere else. Thursday, everything will likely be open.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2177404]Monday and Tuesday absolutely nothing will be open. There is a chance for Wednesday that places will be open, but not sure given the current political situation and crack downs. I would try Malioboro, Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel. They usually stay open more than anywhere else. Thursday, everything will likely be open.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I'll try Hotel Classic on Wednesday night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2177404]Monday and Tuesday absolutely nothing will be open. There is a chance for Wednesday that places will be open, but not sure given the current political situation and crack downs. I would try Malioboro, Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel. They usually stay open more than anywhere else. Thursday, everything will likely be open.[/QUOTE]I just checked with my girl at 1001, Monday thru Thursday next week is confirmed closed at least for 1001. You can try call other establishments to check their opening hours next week. You can get their numbers via Google map app.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2177412]Thanks for the reply. I'll try Hotel Classic on Wednesday night.[/QUOTE]Good luck. Ggekko's post is probably more accurate though. Each year varies a bit, but given the current climate, I think expecting things to be shut down Monday thru Thursday is a realistic expectation.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time even trying the places. I would go on Tinder or wechat and look for girls there.

I spent 8 days in Jakarta and 10 days in the province.

I could not get into ISG until today due to a forgotten password.

I'll have a detailed FR in a few days.

Visited CJs, BATS, Blok M, and Eastern Promise.

Report soon.

SeaTraveler.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2178314]Good luck. Ggekko's post is probably more accurate though. Each year varies a bit, but given the current climate, I think expecting things to be shut down Monday thru Thursday is a realistic expectation.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time even trying the places. I would go on Tinder or wechat and look for girls there.[/QUOTE]Bad timing, as the Rupiah has crested 14,000 per USD. Hopefully the downward trend will continue past the religious nonsense for the sake of the more savvy mongers out there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2178314]Good luck. Ggekko's post is probably more accurate though. Each year varies a bit, but given the current climate, I think expecting things to be shut down Monday thru Thursday is a realistic expectation.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time even trying the places. I would go on Tinder or wechat and look for girls there.[/QUOTE]Are there likely to be girls at CJs or BATs Monday thru Thursday nights?

[QUOTE=Lion55;2179305]Are there likely to be girls at CJs or BATs Monday thru Thursday nights?[/QUOTE]You're likely to find that CJ's is closed this coming Monday & Tuesday if it follows my previous experiences of being in town during Ramadan. As things are getting tighter it may be closed longer. BATS always tended to be open, but only soft background music and all the lights are on. A few girls will drift in, but not too many. Instead of walk of shame it's pick-up of shame in full glare.

Easiest thing to do is call the hotel and see if the clubs are open, or send them an e-mail. Don't be shy they do answer.

Best option as has been mentioned previously is WeChat / Tinder. They are all up for it in Tinder, including those dressed up in Hijab. Just dumped a Hijab wearing lady who was getting a little too clingy. In her early 40's, an ex-model who had basically decided she wanted to find her religion!!!! First time I met her she was all party dress, wine and pork, even though she had some pictures of herself in a Hijab on Tinder. She took a guilt trip and went full time Hijab wearing, no pork, but still a little wine. Wasn't a hint of a walk of shame taking her into hotels. And as for the rest, well she was a bit of a porn star, loved toys and loved to send photos when I wasn't around. As with all of them she is rather tarnished and had her psycho moments - I don;t deal with drama to well (why should I) so when she kept talking about commitment it was bye, bye to her. So for Jakarta I take it plain and simple, anybody on Tinder is there for one reason, and if they play offended, just dump them and block them :-)

Had to stay in Kelapa Gading for work for a week. Stayed at a friends house. I could not come late, and I worked till late in the evening, so would go straight to my friends house. They would call me a traditional massage service lady from the many available on the internet for a massage at home in the room. This was done 4 times in different days. All of them who came were very traditionally dressed fully covered up. All of them were above 30 years old and not good looking. With two I got hand jobs at the end of the massage and with the third one got full service. The 4 rth one refused to give any additional service. Its not too difficult to get extras even from the traditional massage providers.

One of the days I managed to get out early and visited My Place, which is a relax place for Men, with sauna, hot and cold baths etc. They also have a massage service, which is what I went for. The massage reception was at the first floor. There they offered me a package of 2 hours massage which included shower wash, body scrub and a facial. I took the package with a private room with shower and tub. They charged me 1. 000.000. For the package which is about 70 USD. The girl gave me a nice massage, bath, facial etc. Including a hand job. She said they are not allowed to have full service. She did offer to take off her blouse for additional 500.000 which I found to be ridiculous, so I declined politely. If you have extra time and want to relax without full service, this is a nice place for that.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2179305]Are there likely to be girls at CJs or BATs Monday thru Thursday nights?[/QUOTE]No. The places will likely be closed.

OS spent the day touring to the East of Tanjung Priok, Jakarta's huge sprawling port complex. It's a low lying coastal area of miles of industry, containers, roads and rubbish. Sitting in a line of container trucks as far as the eye can see are oil stained trucking yards, earthmovers, salvage yards and containers, Here you savour the defining smells of Jakarta. High sulphur diesel exhaust,durians, drains and garbage. For some reason OS has a fascination with this kind of thing, most distressingly the sheer volume of garbage that Indonesians create and this incredible collective abrogation of responsibility for it. Go to any tourist destination in Indonesia and it's like the locals will be having a contest to see who can throw away the most plastic at it. Go to an industrial, or poor community around Jakarta and the waste problem seems overwhelming.

So with nostrils already on edge. OS tracked in and onto the Jalan Cakung drain, a road through some of the city's poorest that varies between 2 meter wide asphalt and corrugated dirt. The road follows the drain which runs from the sea through what must be the garbage / recycling heartland of Jakarta, bonfires to melt down electric motors, a mound of shoe soles bigger than a house to ships lifeboats that some enterprising soul has sailed down the drain and dragged up the bank and then behind that. A backdrop of one of Jakarta's waste mountains and then a huge cemetery in the middle. Jutting out into the cemetery is Rawa Malang, so on one side of the fence are families tending the plots of loved ones and on the other, a collection of alleys with cafe's blaring ear splitting music and girls of varying beauty where you may retire to their room with them and drink and everything else, the days when the wind is blowing towards the garbage mountain are slightly more romantic than when it blows towards you.

OS just had to try this, A tiny 2 M x 1. 5 M ply lined room, dirty mattress on the floor and a bottle of warm beer. Just enough room for OS to take his trousers off. Unfortunately the wind was blowing straight off the mountain but some camphor satchets on the wall fixed that but no aircon. Ita, a pretty 20 yo from Sulawesi was only too happy to take off her clothes when OS asked and shaped right up for the Camera when OS asked take her photo. She was a nice girl somehow installed in some horrendous surroundings. She previously had been working at a bar a couple of kilometers to the North near one of the transport terminals, am not sure whether being moved further down the drain was a promotion or demotion but this is as grim as you will see in Indonesia. For something to look forward to she was going home to Sulawesi for the second part of the fasting month.

Anyway, it was quite nice talking and playing with Ita and indeed, all of the people I spoke to in Rawa Malang but OS really had to be going, so after putting his clothes back on it was down the drain road he went past bags of this and that, dodging goats, cats and chickens untill he found an exit to a concrete road and the relative civilisation of a long row of container trucks.

If it was any other country, Ita would be just that, a pretty 20 yo a nice girl with a nice heart with a whole pile of nice boys wanting to know her. Unfortunately here, she may never get that opportunity for it's a long road to get up and out of a place like Rawa Malang. OS hopes she might make it although she didn't seem to mind it too much.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2180150]Ita, a pretty 20 yo from Sulawesi was only too happy to take off her clothes when OS asked and shaped right up for the Camera when OS asked take her photo. She was a nice girl somehow installed in some horrendous surroundings. She previously had been working at a bar a couple of kilometers to the North near one of the transport terminals, am not sure whether being moved further down the drain was a promotion or demotion but this is as grim as you will see in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]Haha. Very adventurous! How much did she charge you for her services?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2180156]Haha. Very adventurous! How much did she charge you for her services?[/QUOTE]They said 250 K but then the beer that they pushed really hard for was another 50. I really couldn't be bothered arguing although I reckon most rubbish collectors would be struggling to raise anything close to that.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2180157]They said 250 K but then the beer that they pushed really hard for was another 50. I really couldn't be bothered arguing although I reckon most rubbish collectors would be struggling to raise anything close to that.[/QUOTE]Awesome post. Best I've seen in a while. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2180150]
If it was any other country, Ita would be just that, a pretty 20 yo a nice girl with a nice heart with a whole pile of nice boys wanting to know her. Unfortunately here, she may never get that opportunity for it's a long road to get up and out of a place like Rawa Malang. OS hopes she might make it although she didn't seem to mind it too much.[/QUOTE]Nice post! Amazing what goes on in places most of us wouldn't even dare to venture.

Did you do your usual creampie?

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2180438]Nice post! Amazing what goes on in places most of us wouldn't even dare to venture.

Did you do your usual creampie?[/QUOTE]Managed to keep the big brain in control so no! Not at this locale, OS just wasn't that brave.

Great report Offshore Sweell.

You also may like to read an old ISG report from March 8. 2001 by Alex:

I used to live in Pondok Indah, one of the up market housing estates in South Jakarta. If you travel along the main road towards the Simatupang highway, and turn left there, you will find a few cheap working girls (and TV's) at the first bus stop. Some are young (early twenties), others in their forties. There's a little park-like area behind it, where they take you for a fuck or a blowjob (most of them will let you come in their mouths, some even swallow). This is open-air-fucking at its best. As usual, prices are around USD 2-3 for a short time. You can also take them to a 6-hour fuck hotel, a little bit further on the opposite side of the road.

Another excellent place to find cheap street girls (and transsexuals) is the area in front of the main railway station in the east of the town (you'll pass and make a stop-over here if you take the train to Bandung) and the railway tracks leading eastward. A ten-minute walk eastward from the railway station brings you to an area with lots of parked train wagons. Here you find girls all day but especially at night there are tens of them. They are usually young (late teens, early twenties, but some oldies) and the cheapest in town. Some you can fuck for not more than the price of a bottle of coke. You can fuck them in or in between the empty train wagons.

It's quite a thrill.

Walk around a bit and you see people fucking all over the place. The girls will come to you and do just about anything you want. I once fucked a mute girl in her early twenties in her ass there. They are shameless and let you fuck them in full view of others. Another cheap thrill, but of course you can hide in the trains if you are a less perverted type.

There are many more of these types of places all around Jakarta, but this should give you enough pleasure to last for your trip there. Feel free to email me for tips. Alex .

(Review # 3262).

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2177417]I just checked with my girl at 1001, Monday thru Thursday next week is confirmed closed at least for 1001. You can try call other establishments to check their opening hours next week. You can get their numbers via Google map app.[/QUOTE]As it turns out, places are still open tonight and don't close until tomorrow. You can never trust the Ramadan schedule until it actually arrives. I think they set an approximate day, then gauge the moon or something as it approaches to pick the day to start.

I've got an overnight in Jakarta. No time to do ground work, but did come across the Malio Hotel. Yes. It'll be more expensive, but the ease of having everything available in one spot is key in such a short window.

Anyone know if this place is still alive & kicking? I heard the Alexis Hotel shutdown, and I'm not able to contact or find a way to book a room at the Malio.

Appreciate the insight from anyone on the ground more recently.

[QUOTE=CFront;2180656]I've got an overnight in Jakarta. No time to do ground work, but did come across the Malio Hotel. Yes. It'll be more expensive, but the ease of having everything available in one spot is key in such a short window.

Anyone know if this place is still alive & kicking? I heard the Alexis Hotel shutdown, and I'm not able to contact or find a way to book a room at the Malio.

Appreciate the insight from anyone on the ground more recently.[/QUOTE]It's open right now, but will close tomorrow. If you hurry, you can make it.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2180150]Anyway, it was quite nice talking and playing with Ita and indeed, all of the people I spoke to in Rawa Malang but OS really had to be going, so after putting his clothes back on it was down the drain road he went past bags of this and that, dodging goats, cats and chickens untill he found an exit to a concrete road and the relative civilisation of a long row of container trucks.

If it was any other country, Ita would be just that, a pretty 20 yo a nice girl with a nice heart with a whole pile of nice boys wanting to know her. Unfortunately here, she may never get that opportunity for it's a long road to get up and out of a place like Rawa Malang. OS hopes she might make it although she didn't seem to mind it too much.[/QUOTE]Very exciting report. Last trip, I learned that my favorite hooker zone in Jakarta Kalijodo has been torn down. One Uber driver told me there is a new Kalijodo reincarnate. I think he must have been talking about Rawa Malang, which I had never heard until recently. It seems like this Rawa Malang place also has some unpolished diamonds like Kalijodo which had plenty of them.

Is this Rawa Malang place kind of sprung up after the closure of Kalijodo, or it has been in existence for a long time? It sounds like this place is five times rougher than Kalijodo or Bandung Saritem. I will definitely check it out on my next trip into Jakarta. Sounds like a fun adventure.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2180786]Very exciting report. Last trip, I learned that my favorite hooker zone in Jakarta Kalijodo has been torn down. One Uber driver told me there is a new Kalijodo reincarnate. I think he must have been talking about Rawa Malang, which I had never heard until recently. It seems like this Rawa Malang place also has some unpolished diamonds like Kalijodo which had plenty of them.

Is this Rawa Malang place kind of sprung up after the closure of Kalijodo, or it has been in existence for a long time? It sounds like this place is five times rougher than Kalijodo or Bandung Saritem. I will definitely check it out on my next trip into Jakarta. Sounds like a fun adventure.[/QUOTE]I also would like to know about this Rawa Malang. Unfortunately, my first trip to Jakarta is going to be during Ramadan, where all if not most of the spots are / will be closed. So I'm looking for areas which are not nightclubs, but where cheap fun can be head. Believe me, been to very rough areas before (does Newark ring a bell? If you can give a helping hand with some places like that but do not want to post, please PM.

Cheers.

A158.

[QUOTE=A158;2180809]I also would like to know about this Rawa Malang. [/QUOTE]I don't mean to be a wise ass, but I think you will find that there is almost no place in Jakarta that has not already been reported on this forum in the past. If you go to the "Search Thread" feature here at the top right of this thread, and type "malang" and click on Search, you will find this post in about five seconds.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2034245&highlight=malang#post2034245[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2180818]I don't mean to be a wise ass, but I think you will find that there is almost no place in Jakarta that has not already been reported on this forum in the past. If you go to the "Search Thread" feature here at the top right of this thread, and type "malang" and click on Search, you will find this post in about five seconds.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2034245&highlight=malang#post2034245[/URL][/QUOTE]I understand the search function. Thank you. I was more interested in how will the action be during Ramadan and the effects of it on these spots.

Thanks again.

Cheers.

A158.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2180786]Very exciting report. Last trip, I learned that my favorite hooker zone in Jakarta Kalijodo has been torn down. One Uber driver told me there is a new Kalijodo reincarnate. I think he must have been talking about Rawa Malang, which I had never heard until recently. It seems like this Rawa Malang place also has some unpolished diamonds like Kalijodo which had plenty of them.

Is this Rawa Malang place kind of sprung up after the closure of Kalijodo, or it has been in existence for a long time? It sounds like this place is five times rougher than Kalijodo or Bandung Saritem. I will definitely check it out on my next trip into Jakarta. Sounds like a fun adventure.[/QUOTE]My advice would be to go to Tanjung Priok, say to the bus terminal and get a motorcycle ojek to take you as the road in is barely what we would call a road, also English will not be widely spoken. It's actually not that far from Kelapa Gading but you need an ojek that knows his way around that part of town. You don't need to go far from Kelapa Gading before things go seriously downmarket.

[QUOTE=A158;2180937]I was more interested in how will the action be during Ramadan and the effects of it on these spots.[/QUOTE]Specifically for Ramadan? I believe your report will be the first Ramadan report on this forum (or likely any other) from that particular area.

I make sure to avoid Indonesia during Ramadan these days, so I won't be able to join you on your adventure, but I am looking forward to the report. These type of reports are much more interesting than the stale reports of guys going to Hotel Classic.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2181131]My advice would be to go to Tanjung Priok, say to the bus terminal and get a motorcycle ojek to take you as the road in is barely what we would call a road, also English will not be widely spoken. It's actually not that far from Kelapa Gading but you need an ojek that knows his way around that part of town. You don't need to go far from Kelapa Gading before things go seriously downmarket.[/QUOTE]In the old days Kalikodo was 150 k your last report on rawa malang you mentioned the bule price of 400 k which is higher than even classic or travel, if this remains the case then seems not worth the inconvenience exploring rawa malang right?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2181199]Specifically for Ramadan? I believe your report will be the first Ramadan report on this forum (or likely any other) from that particular area.

I make sure to avoid Indonesia during Ramadan these days, so I won't be able to join you on your adventure, but I am looking forward to the report. These type of reports are much more interesting than the stale reports of guys going to Hotel Classic.[/QUOTE]Adventure it is. I think it will be hard to get to the place as it is my first time in the country and not sure what to expect (but I get it. Garbage) , the biggest challenge will be the language barrier. Finding an ojek that know the way around. The girls, I'm sure there is plenty willing to play, the quality -Ah well will see.

Will see if OS will weigh on that with some thoughts. I read his reports and looks like he knows these places well.

Cheers.

A158.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2180722]It's open right now, but will close tomorrow. If you hurry, you can make it.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I understand. It is closing tomorrow?

A regular friend for over ten years and she gets better every year.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2181284]In the old days Kalikodo was 150 k your last report on rawa malang you mentioned the bule price of 400 k which is higher than even classic or travel, if this remains the case then seems not worth the inconvenience exploring rawa malang right?[/QUOTE]Kalijodo price was 150 k to 200 k for many years, but some shops would always quote you 300 k to 400 k at first when they see foreigners. But the price easily go down to normal if you counter offer them the real price. I am sure this place has same pricing as old Kalijodo, because it is for locals. I think he did not counter quote the real price. The extra profit does not go to girl, it goes to the shop owner. So it is better to counter offer the standard price, and give tip directly to the girl.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;2181504]A regular friend for over ten years and she gets better every year.[/QUOTE]Good lord, that is the most pronounced mound I have ever seen! Must look like a guy front on in jeans. Looks like she must be a real firecracker though. 10 years!? Bloody brilliant.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;2181513]Kalijodo price was 150 k to 200 k for many years, but some shops would always quote you 300 k to 400 k at first when they see foreigners. But the price easily go down to normal if you counter offer them the real price. I am sure this place has same pricing as old Kalijodo, because it is for locals. I think he did not counter quote the real price. The extra profit does not go to girl, it goes to the shop owner. So it is better to counter offer the standard price, and give tip directly to the girl.[/QUOTE]Kalijodo was never more than 150 k even at the end. I often paid 110 k. If you speak some Bahasa nobody will quote you 400 k or stupid price like that.

400 k for a local price is just ridiculous. Locals will never pay that. Foreigners who pay that price in a local brothel don't know anything about Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2181877]Kalijodo was never more than 150 k even at the end. I often paid 110 k. If you speak some Bahasa nobody will quote you 400 k or stupid price like that.

400 k for a local price is just ridiculous. Locals will never pay that. Foreigners who pay that price in a local brothel don't know anything about Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I second this I started going to Kalijodo the last 2 yrs before it was torn down and admittedly whilst I don't speak Bahasa I do get away looking like a local and I used go there by Angkot and I would spend 5-6 hours exploring and taking 3-4 girls each day over a 7 day period, but I never had to bargain I always paid 150 k and my choices were for slim type girls so maybe if I went for older girls I would be quoted less, but I was never quoted 400 k in the 30-40 interactions.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2181562]Good lord, that is the most pronounced mound I have ever seen! Must look like a guy front on in jeans. Looks like she must be a real firecracker though. 10 years!? Bloody brilliant.[/QUOTE]Botox? LOL.

Since Kalijodo is done - Kaput - there is no point to say how much anyone paid in the past, but guide the readers where and at which price point the similar experience can be received today. Also, in perspective, you have to put a price on taxi and most of all on time in traffic. How much is your time worth?

The going rate for free lancers from Tambora was 150 to 200 k before it burned down.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2182041]I second this I started going to Kalijodo the last 2 yrs before it was torn down and admittedly whilst I don't speak Bahasa I do get away looking like a local and I used go there by Angkot and I would spend 5-6 hours exploring and taking 3-4 girls each day over a 7 day period, but I never had to bargain I always paid 150 k and my choices were for slim type girls so maybe if I went for older girls I would be quoted less, but I was never quoted 400 k in the 30-40 interactions.[/QUOTE]Really happy that you saved 50 K with each girl, imagine the things you could do with the savings. Lash out and buy an apple, get yourself a new toothbrush, save up and get an enema. The mind boggles.

Of course cost matters but nobody paid 400 K here, it was an opening shot as an answer to a question and the debate is academic at best because none of you will ever go there.

OS prefers to treat these girls as people and it's always about the experience. Even when the girl is a poor choice it's polite to tip. I think some of you have no idea how hard life is for some of these girls and the system of debt bondage that gets them there. Next time take a moment to ask the girl about how she came to be there and your 50 K savings may not seem that important anymore.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2182314]

OS prefers to treat these girls as people and it's always about the experience. Even when the girl is a poor choice it's polite to tip. I think some of you have no idea how hard life is for some of these girls and the system of debt bondage that gets them there. Next time take a moment to ask the girl about how she came to be there and your 50 K savings may not seem that important anymore.[/QUOTE]Hear! Hear!

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2182314]
OS prefers to treat these girls as people and it's always about the experience. Even when the girl is a poor choice it's polite to tip. I think some of you have no idea how hard life is for some of these girls and the system of debt bondage that gets them there. Next time take a moment to ask the girl about how she came to be there and your 50 K savings may not seem that important anymore.[/QUOTE]You are so right. How can $4 USD make a difference for the guy.

Getting ready to make the trip. Be there Tuesday. Any update on the mongering situation in the past couple of days besides everything is closed during Ramadan?

Cheers.

A158.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2182314]<SNIP>

OS prefers to treat these girls as people and it's always about the experience. Even when the girl is a poor choice it's polite to tip. I think some of you have no idea how hard life is for some of these girls and the system of debt bondage that gets them there. Next time take a moment to ask the girl about how she came to be there and your 50 K savings may not seem that important anymore.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more, sir.

Visited Jakarta for the first time this weekend. Thanks to a lot of excellent information on this forum to help me prepare for the trip. I was a bit worried given how close my trip was to start of Ramadan, but it worked out quite well. I used an Indonesian dating site, Badoo and WeChat. Got lots of hits, many more than I had time for. I usually met the women at a nearby mall and made sure there was chemistry before going back to my hotel. The young women were very happy to meet an older man and didn't hesitate to spend a lot of time together. Here are the places I visited:

CJs: on Saturday night between 12-2 am and got a nice take-out. The music was good, lots of good talent. Danced with a few and picked a 20 something girl late in the night for excellent ST service. She works in a mall during the week.

Basque. Early weekend evening (9 pm onwards). Very crowded, with a good mix of locals and expats. It is not clear who is available because most were in groups, but I got many inviting looks. I went with a prearranged date, had a good dinner followed by dancing and back to hotel.

Henshin. Bar top of Westin hotel, the tallest building in Jakarta, a big hit with girls. Excellent Japanese-Peruvian food and nice outdoor bar. I met a pre-arranged date for dinner and drinks followed by a trip to hotel.

I didn't have time to go to Malio, Travel, Classic. Mainly because I stayed in Mega Kuningam and there was plenty to do locally. It was easy to ask girls to take a taxi to this area. Also visited a couple of nearby malls with for batik and local handicrafts. Ideally, one should visit Jakarta for a day and arrange the right company to visit Bali.

[QUOTE=A158;2182427]Getting ready to make the trip. Be there Tuesday. Any update on the mongering situation in the past couple of days besides everything is closed during Ramadan?

A158.[/QUOTE]The usual locations with hotel facilities and in-house spas are open. Can personally confirm that Hotel Akoya in Mangga Besar is open for service. I am pretty sure that FM Boutique Hotel in Tomang is also open.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2182314]Really happy that you saved 50 K with each girl, imagine the things you could do with the savings. Lash out and buy an apple, get yourself a new toothbrush, save up and get an enema. The mind boggles.

Of course cost matters but nobody paid 400 K here, it was an opening shot as an answer to a question and the debate is academic at best because none of you will ever go there.

OS prefers to treat these girls as people and it's always about the experience. Even when the girl is a poor choice it's polite to tip. I think some of you have no idea how hard life is for some of these girls and the system of debt bondage that gets them there. Next time take a moment to ask the girl about how she came to be there and your 50 K savings may not seem that important anymore.[/QUOTE]Tip for service, sure, makes sense. Tip for 3rd world conditions? Tell them you will severely enrich them if they will reveal their "manager" details.

[QUOTE=Rak22;2182656]Visited Jakarta for the first time this weekend. Thanks to a lot of excellent information on this forum to help me prepare for the trip. I was a bit worried given how close my trip was to start of Ramadan, but it worked out quite well. I used an Indonesian dating site, Badoo and WeChat. Got lots of hits, many more than I had time for. I usually met the women at a nearby mall and made sure there was chemistry before going back to my hotel. The young women were very happy to meet an older man and didn't hesitate to spend a lot of time together. Here are the places I visited:

CJs: on Saturday night between 12-2 am and got a nice take-out. The music was good, lots of good talent. Danced with a few and picked a 20 something girl late in the night for excellent ST service. She works in a mall during the week.

Basque. Early weekend evening (9 pm onwards). Very crowded, with a good mix of locals and expats. It is not clear who is available because most were in groups, but I got many inviting looks. I went with a prearranged date, had a good dinner followed by dancing and back to hotel.

Henshin. Bar top of Westin hotel, the tallest building in Jakarta, a big hit with girls. Excellent Japanese-Peruvian food and nice outdoor bar. I met a pre-arranged date for dinner and drinks followed by a trip to hotel.

I didn't have time to go to Malio, Travel, Classic. Mainly because I stayed in Mega Kuningam and there was plenty to do locally. It was easy to ask girls to take a taxi to this area. Also visited a couple of nearby malls with for batik and local handicrafts. Ideally, one should visit Jakarta for a day and arrange the right company to visit Bali.[/QUOTE]Good report. Thank you.

Care to share the name of the Indonesian dating site?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2183011]Good report. Thank you.

Care to share the name of the Indonesian dating site?[/QUOTE]I used Indo cupid. There is a lot of work involved in screening before hard, but it makes things easier once you reach.

[QUOTE=Porker;2182888]Tip for service, sure, makes sense. Tip for 3rd world conditions? Tell them you will severely enrich them if they will reveal their "manager" details.[/QUOTE]No it doesn't make sense. Specially in a local place because locals don't tip. In addition as a foreigner we always overpay anyway so tipping on top of that make us even more stupid. When you go to a local place and you are the only bule of the day tipping makes no difference because this place caters to locals who won't try to tell you how bad the condition of the girl is to make you feel guilty. Mongering is bad anyway so people who talk on this board as priests can get lost.

In addition I would never talk of a local brothel here considering that the governor wants to shut down everything related to P4P. Kalijodo like K11 got shut down because too much publicity from internet so people should think less of their ego and more of the community here. Guys like OS who wants to make us believe he is so brave because he went to RM by himself and none of us has ever done it makes me laugh. Many people do it but they won't talk about it openly on a public board because they are smart and they don't want these places to shut down.

[QUOTE=Rak22;2182656]Visited Jakarta for the first time this weekend. Thanks to a lot of excellent information on this forum to help me prepare for the trip. I was a bit worried given how close my trip was to start of Ramadan, but it worked out quite well. I used an Indonesian dating site, Badoo and WeChat. Got lots of hits, many more than I had time for. I usually met the women at a nearby mall and made sure there was chemistry before going back to my hotel. The young women were very happy to meet an older man and didn't hesitate to spend a lot of time together. Here are the places I visited:

CJs: on Saturday night between 12-2 am and got a nice take-out. The music was good, lots of good talent. Danced with a few and picked a 20 something girl late in the night for excellent ST service. She works in a mall during the week.

Basque. Early weekend evening (9 pm onwards). Very crowded, with a good mix of locals and expats. It is not clear who is available because most were in groups, but I got many inviting looks. I went with a prearranged date, had a good dinner followed by dancing and back to hotel.

Henshin. Bar top of Westin hotel, the tallest building in Jakarta, a big hit with girls. Excellent Japanese-Peruvian food and nice outdoor bar. I met a pre-arranged date for dinner and drinks followed by a trip to hotel.

I didn't have time to go to Malio, Travel, Classic. Mainly because I stayed in Mega Kuningam and there was plenty to do locally. It was easy to ask girls to take a taxi to this area. Also visited a couple of nearby malls with for batik and local handicrafts. Ideally, one should visit Jakarta for a day and arrange the right company to visit Bali.[/QUOTE]Good report. That's much more in line with a week I would spend in Jakarta.

I like it when they have the electric violin player at Henshin. That chick is pretty good.

Dear all,

Cheat alert. This profile is on instagram. Cleverly the profile is updated almost daily with new pic / video of the girl thereby giving a feel as if its legit.

Phone number: 858-XXXXXX83.

Would ask for deposit into account first and then block your number or pretend that the money hasn't been transferred into the account. Please be aware and avoid.

Funnily the number of cheat profiles on Twitter and Instagram have increased multifold since start of Ramadhan, perhaps because the usual water holes have dried up.

Anyways, wanted to bring this to everyones' attention. Hope this helps.

Thanks.

MB.

Hi bro,

Is it this one? [URL]http://hotsta.net/serliyanti211[/URL] thanks for warning us bro's we won't want to spoil our money on fake account's ahahah if you want real girls just go to classic or hotel travel its cheap and fun.

BTW if you want to try a real famous twitter girl try this one she's real I fucked her several times [URL]https://twitter.com/rhena_queen[/URL].

She don't even give you her number if your not serieus you can message her true twitter she's really hot nice tits and tight pussy bro's.

Just google under Rhena Queen you can see a lot.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2183142]Dear all,

Cheat alert. This profile is on instagram. Cleverly the profile is updated almost daily with new pic / video of the girl thereby giving a feel as if its legit.

Phone number: 858-XXXXXX83.

Would ask for deposit into account first and then block your number or pretend that the money hasn't been transferred into the account. Please be aware and avoid.

Funnily the number of cheat profiles on Twitter and Instagram have increased multifold since start of Ramadhan, perhaps because the usual water holes have dried up.

Anyways, wanted to bring this to everyones' attention. Hope this helps.

Thanks.

MB.[/QUOTE]

After 4 long months of planning, I arrived in Jakarta around 21:30. Long lines at Customs & Immigration.

Had a girl / friend, Maria, pick me up at Soekarno and drop me at Shangri-La.

Showered and ready to go around midnight.

Of course with jet lag from the USA, I was wide awake and ready to go.

Took a quick look thru BATS, then decided to head to CJ'S.

After about 30 minutes of perusing the talent at CJ'S, I opted to take ITA to my room at Shangri-La.

We did the deed, and I sent her on her way as the night was still young.

I went downstairs to BATS to take another look. As I was about to give up on the available talent, I sat down at the front of the bar facing the band.

Eventually I looked at the girl next to me. LO & Behold it was Tiffany. I had met Tiffany on several occasions in 2014 at BATS. I had always wanted to fuck her, but she was either taken or asking too much money. I decided this was a dream-come-true so I asked and she said 2 million. I said it's late and countered with 1. 5, which she accepted.

It was fun, but nothing special.

It was around 3:00 am. I was wide awake and wanting to explore more. The lobby had about 6 girls milling around as BATS was closing. I talked to each but they all wanted 1. 5, which I thot was high since I was their last option that night.

Instead, I decided to see what Blok M was like these days. It was my favorite late night stop in 2014 as I often stayed right on Jl. Falatehan.

So I grabbed a cab and headed to the Blok.

Went straight in to My Bar.

It was crowded and seemed about the same as in 2014 (without Top Gun of course).

Here, while drinking a beer, I met Lia and a friend. I offered 1. 5 for both and they accepted.

Lots of sucking and licking. Eventually got my 3rd shot of the night with the friends hand job and Lia providing a surprise prostate massage in fine form.

These 2 were the most fun time I had the entire trip.

In fact, I saw Lia 3 times during my 8 days in Jakarta. She knew how to push my buttons like no one else.

Eventually, I took an Ambien and drifted off to sleep.

Next Report. Friday Night. Hotel Mulia & CJ'S.

[QUOTE=Gern;2182827]The usual locations with hotel facilities and in-house spas are open. Can personally confirm that Hotel Akoya in Mangga Besar is open for service. I am pretty sure that FM Boutique Hotel in Tomang is also open.[/QUOTE]Yes, Akoya's open.

FM1 only the spa's open. Normal massage 300 k, extras nego with the girl. ST 550 k which I think is expensive. The club was closed, reopen after Ramadhan.

Next, I went Travel & Classic, was told the 3 P option no longer available. One mamasan from Classic said it might be back after Ramadhan, but the girl I took told me that it's almost 1 year that the 3 P option was scraped. Can anybody confirm this?

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2183313]Hi bro,

Is it this one? [URL]http://hotsta.net/serliyanti211[/URL] thanks for warning us bro's we won't want to spoil our money on fake account's ahahah if you want real girls just go to classic or hotel travel its cheap and fun.

BTW if you want to try a real famous twitter girl try this one she's real I fucked her several times [URL]https://twitter.com/rhena_queen[/URL].

She don't even give you her number if your not serieus you can message her true twitter she's really hot nice tits and tight pussy bro's.

Just google under Rhena Queen you can see a lot.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the lead my friend, have written to her. Would share the FR once she responds.

Looking forward to your next essay.

My Friend Maria was the one who picked me up at the airport on Wed and dropped me off at Shangri-La.

I met her on Indonesian Cupid a few months before the trip.

There was some debate here that she was a non-pro, but still looking for paid sex.

My gut told me she was not and that was solidified by her refusal to come to my room on Wed after dropping me off from the airport. However, she let me know she was coming to meet me Thursday afternoon and would be staying overnight. I had a room at Oakwood Suites in South Jakarta not far from Blok M. I highly recommend this hotel as it was built in 2016 and is new and nice.

What we all here overlooked when judging Maria, was the true, genuine GFE. Which is what I got Thursday night.

Her husband had died 3 years ago and she claimed not to have had sex since.

Based on her attack on me; her 9 orgasms to my 1 - I have to believe her story. Wouldn't take any money, not even a gift.

But now I had a girlfriend. Which has it pluses and minuses.

I wish I could share a picture, but it seems inappropriate in this instance.

Next Report. Friday at Hotel Mulia. CJ's - 3 girls (separately).

[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2183116]people should think less of their ego and more of the community here. Guys like OS who wants to make us believe he is so brave because he went to RM by himself and none of us has ever done it makes me laugh. Many people do it but they won't talk about it openly on a public board because they are smart and they don't want these places to shut down.[/QUOTE]LOL, coming from someone who is all ego and no community, that is rich. Offshore is a leader in the community, who posts interesting content, great photos and quality commentary. You just whine about people paying too much.

Places like Kalijodo and K11 got shut down because they were front page news and swarming with NGOs and do-gooders. I really doubt that the Indonesian government needs a foreign message board to realize that there are prostitutes plying their trade at Rawa Mewang (oops, sorry, RM- then they won't figure it out! If you want to do your bit to help reduce the profile of this message board, then stop reading and posting, so there is less traffic- just go away.

As for the original topic, tip if you want to. Bargain hard with the house, and make sure you pay local price. But as for giving money to the girl? Sure- you have a lot of money, she has very little.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;2183954]LOL, coming from someone who is all ego and no community, that is rich. Offshore is a leader in the community, who posts interesting content, great photos and quality commentary. You just whine about people paying too much.[/QUOTE]That, and abuse random people through PM and then block them fearing a backlash. Real tough guy.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;2183954]Places like Kalijodo and K11 got shut down because they were front page news and swarming with NGOs and do-gooders. I really doubt that the Indonesian government needs a foreign message board to realize that there are prostitutes plying their trade at Rawa Mewang (oops, sorry, RM- then they won't figure it out! [/QUOTE]Well said. The number of mongers active on this forum represent but an insignificant speck of the number of people partaking in P4 P worldwide. Yet, people have exaggerated notion of self-worth that makes them believe that their posts on this forum actually helps LE track down and shut iconic places like Kalijodo. Priceless!

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;2183954]As for the original topic, tip if you want to. Bargain hard with the house, and make sure you pay local price. But as for giving money to the girl? Sure- you have a lot of money, she has very little.[/QUOTE]Well said again. Be generous to the girl. What goes around comes around. Don't be an asshole.

DAY 3.

Moved to Hotel Mulia for Friday. My "GF" Maria, who spent the night Thursday, drove and dropped me off at Mulia.

Had dinner with an Indonesia Cupid date. Anita - 40 something, who had suggested "drinks and dancing" followed by fun in the room. This was my non-pro attempt.

However, I wanted to be settled in to CJ'S around 9:30 to get a good seat by the door. I like watching the girls come in and stroll by.

As always, she was late to the hotel for dinner so we ate in The Cafe and had a drink. When I suggested we adjourn to the room around 8:30 pm, she wasn't ready for fun yet, so we parted ways.

Oh well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Probably my fault for cutting the evening short, but I didn't want to miss out on a Friday night at CJ'S.

Got a great seat near the entrance & sat for couple of hours girl-watching. Finally decided I needed to make a choice soon (because I always want 2nd's or 3rd's later).

There was one girl who had captured my attention, tall and exotic looking, but she was chatting with others and my every attempt to pull her over to talk failed.

I moved on to a tall, cute sort of school-girl / college freshman look. I don't remember her name.

BBBJ was ok. DATY was great with her gentle moaning. CFS meant I couldn't feel anything. Tried to finish with BBBJ, but it wasn't good enough to get me to the finish line. Still I had fun and there was more to come anyway.

Returned to CJ'S to the delight of the door staff. Ha ha ha.

By now the tall, exotic girl was in the side bar with friends. I made my move and soon we were in my room.

She remembered me from 2014 and that triggered a vague memory from BATS and it wasn't a good one.

No pics allowed this time. As soon as we were naked, she rubbed my cock and said, "condom now".

I jumped up and said "WTF" condom and no BBBJ. Forget it. I ended the session; We got dressed and she headed out.

I took a short break and had a drink in the room.

Note to self - *Alcohol is ridiculously expensive in Indonesia.

Returned to CJ'S to the delight of the door staff. AGAIN. Ha ha ha.

Ordered a drink and walked around. I'm guessing it was maybe 1:00 am.

I seem to find girls that are huddling in the back corner by the bathroom area and the raised bar. I found Ita here on Wednesday night.

This time I found Zahra. I'm so glad I didn't waste time and energy on #2.

Zahra was a STELLAR FIND.

Perfect small size, perfect body, cute as hell in my book and boundless energy.

My experience is impossible to describe. She's like a gymnast; bouncing and riding my cock, while saying, "I like to fucking you". Cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, split cowgirl. Just unbelievable.

Best of all, she was fine with video so I taped the whole event. I never met a girl in 50+ years who could move like this girl. My cock was her personal pogo stick.

She eventually tired me out and finished me off.

What a great way to end a Friday night.

If you see her, take her. You won't regret it.

Doesn't speak much English, but she is moving constantly, so who cares.

I made up my mind to see her again before leaving Indonesia for good. Which I did. With great daytime HD video (But I will save those pics for that story).

Next up. Saturday night with Fritz's Rizky. A strange tale.

SEA Traveler.

Met Erna playing pool in a bar on Java back in the early noughties. She was in her late 20's. First night was pretty ordinary starfish but to save time and hassle of going to bars the next night, I made a date with her. Shopping, dinner and bed followed. She turned on the full porn star experience then. Any position, deep anal and full-on, eyes shut, mouth open take the load on face and down the throat. Unforgettable. Over the next couple years I saw her often, serial 2-3 night stands, take her out whenever I was in town. She lived in an incredibly run-down tenement on the city fringes, with 3 other girls. I bedded all of them over time, but Erna was really the girl for me. She never let on that she knew I fucked any of the others. As these things go, you drift closer, you drift apart and I was in Indonesia less and less.

Later, I find she is in Timor, working in a restaurant she said. For sure not. A couple of years after that she contacts me out of the blue to tell me she is happy and living with an Italian café owner in Bali. OK, but struth, Bali is full of delicious young working girls, so will that last? Later again, somehow, I get a Whatsapp from her. She is in Bogor, back on Java. Living in a cheap boarding house, she has forsaken the life, become much more pious, wears the jilbab and tells me she has re-connected with her family, or at least a brother who talks to her. Takes in washing for a living. I sent her a few hundred bucks. Finally, a message – 2 years ago? - to tell me she is going to Saudi through a labour hire company to be a housemaid. Quick calculation then and I figured I had known her about 15 years, and spent maybe a couple month's worth of nights with her over the first 3 years. Spent a couple of grand on her too. All good, by the way.

Then last week a message from one of the original housemates who still had my number from a long ago naughty tropical isle fuck fest. "Erna mati. " Erna is dead. Shit. Flurry of texts, she hung herself in her bedroom at her employer's house in Dharan, Saudi. Aged 41, no hubby, partner nor children. I have been feeling shit for the last week.

[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2183116]Guys like OS who wants to make us believe he is so brave because he went to RM by himself and none of us has ever done it makes me laugh. Many people do it but they won't talk about it openly on a public board because they are smart and they don't want these places to shut down.[/QUOTE]It's all coming back to me now, this guy used to go by the name of Prison Break. Got really abusive by PM because I wouldn't share any contacts with him so I blocked him. Then he reinvented himself as Bobmoron69. His main claim to fame with his earlier posts as Prison Break was harrassing other members.

Can only guess he's a short guy, 4 ft 11" with a bad case of little man syndrome, maybe works as a janitor or something because he seems to want most of his sex for nearly nothing which would suggest no money. Fortunately OS has lots of it and is quite happy to splash it around.

Certainly hasn't ever added much value to this forum or any others he trolls around.

Amazing what kind of BS people will say just because they don't want to recognize they overpay and other mongers can be right. Just pathetic.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2184225] Fortunately OS has lots of it and is quite happy to splash it around.
[/QUOTE]That's why you go to the poorest places of Jakarta. For sure it makes perfect sense to everybody. Good for your ego I guess.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2184225]It's all coming back to me now, this guy used to go by the name of Prison Break. Got really abusive by PM because I wouldn't share any contacts with him so I blocked him. Then he reinvented himself as Bobmoron69. His main claim to fame with his earlier posts as Prison Break was harrassing other members.

Can only guess he's a short guy, 4 ft 11" with a bad case of little man syndrome, maybe works as a janitor or something because he seems to want most of his sex for nearly nothing which would suggest no money. Fortunately OS has lots of it and is quite happy to splash it around.

Certainly hasn't ever added much value to this forum or any others he trolls around.[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha ha! Good one and people at work are wondering why I am in splits.

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2184209]Then last week a message from one of the original housemates who still had my number from a long ago naughty tropical isle fuck fest. "Erna mati. " Erna is dead. Shit. Flurry of texts, she hung herself in her bedroom at her employer's house in Dharan, Saudi. Aged 41, no hubby, partner nor children. I have been feeling shit for the last week.[/QUOTE]Godspeed. It is a tough life.

Given how employers in the Middle East treat their domestic helpers, I would not be surprised if this is foul play being hushed up.

[QUOTE=Rak22;2183109]I used Indo cupid. There is a lot of work involved in screening before hard, but it makes things easier once you reach.[/QUOTE]Thank you mate! Good work.

Condolences dude. I think there are a few of us who stay in touch with memorable repeat girls.

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2184209]Met Erna playing pool in a bar on Java back in the early noughties. She was in her late 20's. First night was pretty ordinary starfish but to save time and hassle of going to bars the next night, I made a date with her. Shopping, dinner and bed followed. She turned on the full porn star experience then. Any position, deep anal and full-on, eyes shut, mouth open take the load on face and down the throat. Unforgettable. Over the next couple years I saw her often, serial 2-3 night stands, take her out whenever I was in town. She lived in an incredibly run-down tenement on the city fringes, with 3 other girls. I bedded all of them over time, but Erna was really the girl for me. She never let on that she knew I fucked any of the others. As these things go, you drift closer, you drift apart and I was in Indonesia less and less.

Later, I find she is in Timor, working in a restaurant she said..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2184209]Met Erna playing pool in a bar on Java back in the early noughties. She was in her late 20's. First night was pretty ordinary starfish but to save time and hassle of going to bars the next night, I made a date with her. Shopping, dinner and bed followed. She turned on the full porn star experience then. Any position, deep anal and full-on, eyes shut, mouth open take the load on face and down the throat. Unforgettable. Over the next couple years I saw her often, serial 2-3 night stands, take her out whenever I was in town. She lived in an incredibly run-down tenement on the city fringes, with 3 other girls. I bedded all of them over time, but Erna was really the girl for me. She never let on that she knew I fucked any of the others. As these things go, you drift closer, you drift apart and I was in Indonesia less and less.

Later, I find she is in Timor, working in a restaurant she said. For sure not. A couple of years after that she contacts me out of the blue to tell me she is happy and living with an Italian caf owner in Bali. OK, but struth, Bali is full of delicious young working girls, so will that last? Later again, somehow, I get a Whatsapp from her. She is in Bogor, back on Java. Living in a cheap boarding house, she has forsaken the life, become much more pious, wears the jilbab and tells me she has re-connected with her family, or at least a brother who talks to her. Takes in washing for a living. I sent her a few hundred bucks. Finally, a message 2 years ago? - to tell me she is going to Saudi through a labour hire company to be a housemaid. Quick calculation then and I figured I had known her about 15 years, and spent maybe a couple month's worth of nights with her over the first 3 years. Spent a couple of grand on her too. All good, by the way.

Then last week a message from one of the original housemates who still had my number from a long ago naughty tropical isle fuck fest. "Erna mati. " Erna is dead. Shit. Flurry of texts, she hung herself in her bedroom at her employer's house in Dharan, Saudi. Aged 41, no hubby, partner nor children. I have been feeling shit for the last week.[/QUOTE]A very sad story Waz. It should remind us all that our girls lead rough lives and for the most part we only see them in their glory days when things are pretty good and the money is flowing. But life goes on after all the bright lights have faded. A few actually escape their poverty. Most do not. That's why I always try to treat my girls good and with a little kindness especially while I am shagging them on a regular basis. They usually return the favor. But life is hard. No one gets out of here alive.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2184394]I guess old habits die hard. Actually they never do.

So now BobMoron69 has sent me another abusive PM which I will choose to ignore. This goes back to the Phnom Penh thread where he whined about the money I paid to a chick. When I replied that it is my money and I choose what to do with it, he sent me a nasty abusive PM.

I am now curious to see how long this goes on. It is actually getting amusing now.[/QUOTE]I had received an aggressive PM in January after I gave report on a lousy service I received at Classic and the tip I paid. Forgot about the PM. After seeing this thread I checked who was it and lo and behold it was BobMoron69. Old habits never die.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2184480]I had received an aggressive PM in January after I gave report on a lousy service I received at Classic and the tip I paid. Forgot about the PM. After seeing this thread I checked who was it and lo and behold it was BobMoron69. Old habits never die.[/QUOTE]Maybe Danny DeVito is a secret ISG member?

My condolences also Waz. When I worked in Tambora we had three hangings in the upstairs rooms over about a week. The club and atmosphere never really recovered.

Little bit of advice to fellow indo mongers. It's best not to use the word mati for humans you respect. It's fine for flowers, lamps and animals but never really used for people except possibly terrorists. I've certainly never seen it used in a text. There are other more respectful words like meninggal (to stop living), tewas (if in an accident) or the now obscure wafat (passed away).

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2184209]

Then last week a message from one of the original housemates who still had my number from a long ago naughty tropical isle fuck fest. "Erna mati. " Erna is dead. Shit. Flurry of texts, she hung herself in her bedroom at her employer's house in Dharan, Saudi. Aged 41, no hubby, partner nor children. I have been feeling shit for the last week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KissMyAsss33;2184247]Amazing what kind of BS people will say just because they don't want to recognize they overpay and other mongers can be right. Just pathetic.[/QUOTE]This is obviously another alias for you, but you immediately give yourself away by your whining about the amount other people are willing to pay.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2184788]My condolences also Waz. When I worked in Tambora we had three hangings in the upstairs rooms over about a week. The club and atmosphere never really recovered.[/QUOTE]Rumor has it that the woman who ran the pool table at Tambora named Miriam was responsible for those hangings. She was the same woman who could could be found begging in Blok M a few years later saying "I kill you tomorrow" to any passers by who wouldn't give her money.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2184788]My condolences also Waz. When I worked in Tambora we had three hangings in the upstairs rooms over about a week. The club and atmosphere never really recovered.

Little bit of advice to fellow indo mongers. It's best not to use the word mati for humans you respect. It's fine for flowers, lamps and animals but never really used for people except possibly terrorists. I've certainly never seen it used in a text. There are other more respectful words like meninggal (to stop living), tewas (if in an accident) or the now obscure wafat (passed away).[/QUOTE]Thanks Pete, and you are right. However, that was verbatim the text that I got from one of the girls. 'Meninggal dunia' 'has left this world'.

What would be the correct word? In the foggy past, I think I heard the word but maybe because I am as thick as a brick and did not understand what the gal was trying to say to me.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2184788]There are other more respectful words like meninggal (to stop living), tewas (if in an accident) or the now obscure wafat (passed away).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;2183954]LOL, coming from someone who is all ego and no community, that is rich. Offshore is a leader in the community, who posts interesting content, great photos and quality commentary. You just whine about people paying too much.

Places like Kalijodo and K11 got shut down because they were front page news and swarming with NGOs and do-gooders. I really doubt that the Indonesian government needs a foreign message board to realize that there are prostitutes plying their trade at Rawa Mewang (oops, sorry, RM- then they won't figure it out! If you want to do your bit to help reduce the profile of this message board, then stop reading and posting, so there is less traffic- just go away.

As for the original topic, tip if you want to. Bargain hard with the house, and make sure you pay local price. But as for giving money to the girl? Sure- you have a lot of money, she has very little.[/QUOTE]Rawa Malang? I miss Kalijodo.

[QUOTE=KissMyAsss33;2183116]No it doesn't make sense. Specially in a local place because locals don't tip. In addition as a foreigner we always overpay anyway so tipping on top of that make us even more stupid. When you go to a local place and you are the only bule of the day tipping makes no difference because this place caters to locals who won't try to tell you how bad the condition of the girl is to make you feel guilty. Mongering is bad anyway so people who talk on this board as priests can get lost.

In addition I would never talk of a local brothel here considering that the governor wants to shut down everything related to P4P. Kalijodo like K11 got shut down because too much publicity from internet so people should think less of their ego and more of the community here. Guys like OS who wants to make us believe he is so brave because he went to RM by himself and none of us has ever done it makes me laugh. Many people do it but they won't talk about it openly on a public board because they are smart and they don't want these places to shut down.[/QUOTE]I do agree with your point of not tipping or tipping little. FYI, recently in Jakarta tipping is kind of compulsory. It is like when you see or listen "butuh uang" (need money), from a girl to a man. Both would understand after this it is not only the man gives the girl money that simple. So I would suggest negotiate the tips before everything starts. So they would have guaranteed performance at least you would find it acceptable.

Kalijodo and Dolly are dead due to competition among groups. Alexis is dead due to the high protection fee. Recently it has its name changed, but thing seems never recovers. Last time in the river of Cairo, prostitution was so prosper. It never comes back. I have the similar feeling on Indonesia.