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[quote=firedick]i'm no expert, but i believe that you can be prosecuted for traveling abroad to commit any act that is illegal at home. including smoking a joint.

but, that being said, if the law is applied carefully (such as to sick fucks like ****s) then maybe we can live with it. i have no sympathy for seljan. who cares if he's an old man. just means he's been a criminal for a long time.

fd[/quote]the only times you can be prosecuted abroad is if you are military and the us goverment has a sofa (status of forces agreement) with the host nation or if there is damage to us property or personnel during offical business. that being said if some sick pervert molested a child and vidoe taped it and then brought the tape back to the us, the us could has the host goverment to assume juristiction and prosicute on behalf of thehost goverment. but as far as smoking a joint, your safe

Gentlemen,

Most of you do not know Domino well. Just keep in mind that he's an "off the beaten track" kinda guy.

Dom,

What do like to do during the day ? Are you a diver, a beach bum or do you prefer inland jungle locales ?

Three areas close to Manila that come to mind are: Puerto Galera, Boracay and Iba (north of Subic in Zambales province). PG has good diving and nightlife but shitty beaches, Boracay has beautiful beaches some OK diving but limited lady action. Iba has peace and quiet, beautiful beaches and no nightlife (but Subic City is 30/45 minutes away).

You might want to consider Cebu as well, but having never been there, I'll defer to my fellow posters.

Hope this helps. PM me at will.

FD

Firedick

Thanks for that. Quite a while ago, Posterlion wrote a proposed 1-2week initnerary in the Thai board, which was very highly appreciated by a large number of respondents.

I am more into cultural and political things, believe it or not. to gettng a feel of the place and getting closse, but not too close to the people there. I have already gone north from Manila and this time I feel the urge to go south to Mindanau where the security situation could be better. I also don't want to end up stranded from Manila for my return.
Puerto Galera: too many US retirees?
Boracay: too popular?
Iba: been there.

Is it possible to pick up good or interesting travel deals in Manila?
Mindanau seems to be the magnet but I don't want to do jungle treks etc with dudes who will hold me to ransom for a looong time.

Domino,

You'll find Davao with enough things to do and the girls are more affordable. Just how "off the beaten track" would you like to explore. Nature, Historic or Leisure?

Funny, I let the other guys know you're an "off the beaten track" guy then I post suggested places that are just the oposite. Idiot !

Anyway, PG does not have too many retirees. Not like Angeles or Subic, but does have VERY large numbers of transient tourists. Same can be said of Boracay.

Sorry I was of no help. Further south you'll have to get help from the other guys here.

Good luck.

FD

Outside chance I'll be there. I'll let you know.

Deep Diver,

I was referring to being prosecuted upon returning to the states. The host country has nothing to do with it. The "knucklehead" arrested at LAX will be prosecuted for breaking US laws while being in the Philippines, as was the old man Seljan.



Where do you dive ? I am "Jonesing" to get out to the Similans (Thailand).

FD

[color=blue][b]Firedick[/b][/color]

Whilst you explained the US situation, the position from Europe is that all EU countries are signed up to prosecute any paedophiles caught committing a crime in another country (ie having sex with minors) can be prosecuted at home. Throughout Asia, Africa and much of the developing world it is still rear for them to prosecute foreigners for paedophile activity. These countries tend to just expel paedophiles, because to bring a successful prosecution you need conclusive proof added to the fact that in some place corruption is rife.

However, the European Union, which was 13 now up to 20 countries will prosecute anyone going overseas to commit such crimes and I believe, they will also prosecute where there is “intent” to commit such act, basing it on the fact if they do this overseas then they will surely do it home. Whilst in the UK have been slow to prosecute in the past as the media highlighted a case of some guy who had been kicked out of Cambodia and the Philippines several times and nothing happened to him, but I know other countries in Europe have successfully prosecuted people.

But be rest assured if you were going overseas to smoke a bit of weed or take drugs you are not going to be arrested for that no matter how much drugs you intended to consume. If that were the case, then Amsterdam would have been closed down, long ago. But if you are planning to import it back home this is a different matter.

[color=blue][b]Domino[/b][/color]

From Manila’s domestic airport you are within 60-90 minutes of most of the country, due to the various airlines now operating in the country, its really up to you where and what you want as the Philippines has much to offer.

Mindanoa I have been there three times since 1987 and have stayed with a local family in their home and survived on well water for brushing my teeth with no ill-effect whatsoever. However, when I was first there it was only the NPA that I had to worry about and they didn’t bother me, but now with [i]Abu seif[/i] amongst other groups operating in the area and with the spread of these ideas of kidnapping which is now seen as a business (a good way to make money and raise the profile of your cause) you need to be careful. My advice is to stick to the larger cities.


[color=blue][b]Juniour[/b][/color]

I think I might head for Palawan. I read the US and British government warnings [url]http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1095423800990[/url]

Mindanau seems a drag (don't go to the north, south, east or central:(;) or at least getting beheaded after being held in some jungle shit heap there does. Palawan by plane seems a good bet as long as there is no repeat of that mass kidnapping and murder of a few years ago. Tourism there seems dead so maybe I can help as long as I don't die. Again my best bet seems to be to go to Manila and play it from there. Any ideas?

Dont give up on Mindinao so fast. Davao is still quite safe, has a night life, and great beaches. Palawan also has some great resorts but they are on the pricey end of the scale and the night life is not as good.

If you think Borocay is to well travelled then think about Bohol just a bit further south. Puerta Galeria is also fine and makes for a great weekend out of Manila.
All of the above are easily accessable through Manila, which any respectable Manyuk should spend at least a night or two mongering in.

Juniour,

While what you say is correct, I feel that I must have been taken out of context. I was merely lamenting the fact that, while not acted upon, the laws exist to go after "normal" mongers like us. And, if the authorities wanted to, recreational drug users such as those who go to Amsterdam or elsewhere, could be prosecuted as well. Thankfully, our "crimes" have not been a high priority as of yet.

I would never travel with MJ.

FD

[quote] I was merely lamenting the fact that, while not acted upon, the laws exist to go after "normal" mongers like us.[/quote]

[color=blue][b]Firedick[/b][/color]

You almost had me worried there for a minute; I had to check that it wasn’t a late April 1st joke. But take my advice on this, going overseas to have sex with women of a legal age, who are not coerced into this profession or physically abused is not an offence. I know there are some women’s and religious groups who wish there were such laws in place.

But no one is dictating to me where and when I stick my dick and how I spend my money on my vacation.


[color=blue][b]Juniour[/b][/color]

Junior and Firedick,

It is my understanding that the law states that if you break USA laws in another country, matters not the laws in the foreign country, they can prosecute you in the USA if they can prove the offense took place, if you are a citizen of the USA.

Now I'm no lawyer, although I would love to play one on TV someday, prostitution is legal in the great state of Nevada in certain cities. I believe that this would then make trying to prosecute you for engaging in the activity in another country hard to prosecute.

That said, I also believe that the law in the Philippines also prohibits this activity and the local law enforcement only ignores the law?

I know in Hong Kong it is ignored as the law is that a girl can offer herself independently, but there are laws against being a pimp or owning a brothel. Of course they overlook this there as well, but do bust some of the pimps from time to time.

As we all know, this law was enacted to catch those who truly commit offensive acts. Especially acts against children. The good thing about this is that since this act is considered to be offensive by the majority of people of all societies all over the world, even trying to accomplish this act overseas takes some covert communication, which should result in a trail for a good cyber detective to uncover or good detective work to uncover. That is how they have so far caught and prosecuted those in the USA. Not by just having evidence from the country where the offense had taken place or was to take place.

Now what I am about to write is maybe a stretch, but it show the hypocrisy of the law sometimes. We all know that there are USA corporations involved with manufacturing in other countries using children for manufacturing jobs that would be illegal in the USA. So why aren't all the DA's all over the good ole USA lining up the executives of these companies to prosecute for these offensives. It should be very easy to prove and prosecute. That would also limit the moving of jobs over seas quite a bit. Not that I'm approving or disapproving of corporations doing that. I have mixed emotions on this subject, but in my opinion, if you like paying less than US $100.00 for a DVD player than you can't really be in support of limiting companies in the USA from moving their work force off shore.

On another note, Firedick? I have always wondered what your name refers to?

Where I am from to have a firedick is not such a good thing? lol?

Be safe and have fun.

FF

A very interesting conversation going on here. The US has the Protection Act which allows the federal government to prosecute "Sex Tourism". Currently the definition of "Sex Tourism" is having sex with someone under 18 years old.

Intriguing that they didn't call it "Sex Exploitation of Minors" or some similar term that made it clear they were going after child molestors. Down the road, all it will take is a simple amendment of the definition to change it's focus from minors to say, any sexual activity illegal where you reside in the US. That would be a fairly easy sell to a conservative congress. Simply makes it so that you have to behave overseas much as you are expected to behave at home.

Note that the defense has to prove that there was reason to believe the partner was of legal age. Given that most of us that read the threads here are aware that there are readily available false ID's would, in the hands of a skillful prosecutor, work against us in court. We know that ID's may be false. A reasonable individual then cannot use them as a refuge, or so the prosecutor would argue. And it would be up to the jury (or judge) to decide if it made a whits difference that she flashed you an ID that said she turned 18. It very well might not.

Then there is the two strikes component of the Protection Act. What's that? An automatic life sentence. Say they prosecute you for an alleged offense in Pattaya, get a conviction, and then prosecute you for a separate offense in Phuget a week later, guess what your sentence would be for the second offense. Free room and board for life. No more worrying about your 401K or what Bush will do to the Social Security system.

I do not mean this in any way to be construed as a defense of child explotation, but simply that there are potentially some serious consequences to even the most unintended mistakes. And in a US society that is growing more conservative things are changing.

US Protection Act URL: http://www.worldvision.org/Worldvision/imagelib.nsf/main/US_Law_ChildSexTourism.pdf/$file/US_Law_ChildSexTourism.pdf

Tatoosh

Interesting points guys. I'm going with what I've always done. Just keep it legit aged girls and not worry about it, as Juniour suggests. I just can't believe the feds would be interested in my sex habits abroad. Just not that interesting.

FF,

I am a Hash House Harrier and Firedick is my hash name. I'll PM you details if you're that curious.

FD

[quote=firedick]interesting points guys. i'm going with what i've always done. just keep it legit aged girls and not worry about it, as juniour suggests. i just can't believe the feds would be interested in my sex habits abroad. just not that interesting.

ff,

i am a hash house harrier and firedick is my hash name. i'll pm you details if you're that curious.

fd[/quote]

most of this discussion is much ado about nothing. in the first place the law requires that in order to prosecute someone, the court must first find that the court has jurisdiction over the case. in the case of the "protection act" this is being construed to mean that since the subject accussed is a us citizen, that the court would have jurisdiction, a questionable theory that has yet to stand the test of an actual court case. be that as it may, assume the jurisdictional requirement is met, the next requirement is that a us law would have to be violated. the reason the law targets exploitation of under-age minors is that is a violation of a u.s. federal statute, having indiscriminant sex even under the terms of prositution is not, hence examples such as nevada where it is perfectly legal. it is the state, not the defense which has to prove the "exploited party" was **** as suggested in an earlier posting. for the state to prove that, the offense will either have to be extremly notorious (read a really stupid idea in the first place) or the state will have to come up with some interesting incentive to the would be "victim" to prove its case, which offers up a huge opportunity for a good defense attorney, and at the same time opens the door to some back-door immigration which will not settle well with the same parties who whould like to close down overseas nookie in the first place.

in summary if you just behave reasonably as far as your search for exotic delights, and admit nothing and deny everything if accused, you stand little chance of trouble with the application of this law. if on the other hand you are a target of the feds for some other reason, this is just one more harrassment tool available to them. i would worry far more about some local parasite police doing his usual shake down than i would about being a potential victim of this particular law.

now can we get back to our more informative issues of mongering in general?