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Question #1
Can the quote below rendered on this board 03/09/04 be considered a "personal attack"?
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By the way, I am pretty offended that you would ask me for advice about where in Buenos Aires you can find women for sex who will not be repulsed by your obese, 400 pound body. It's been a while since you asked me, but hey, I'm still offended by the thought. But even though I was offended by this, I still cheerfully provided you with the requested information. I won't make that error again. You can find girls to smother beneath your blubber with the help of your other monger friends.
Uncle Otto
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Questiom #2
If this is considered a "personal attack", as I assume most will, why was it published? From all this hoopla the rule is zero tolerance.
What appears to be happening here is a certain member or maybe even members are getting preferential treatment because their noses may be a bit mor tanned than the rest of their bodies. After all that was aired regarding personal attacks, I was rather surprised that the above quote passed censorhip (appearance of double standards). What I think needs to be done is members stop calling the name "Jackson" in vain and let each and every one of us fall or rise on our own merits.
And while I am at it, I also think it is about time that we stop distinguishing members by the number of posts but by the quality of posts that they make. Sure, I only have 150 some odd posts and am a "Rebular member" by choice as not to get caught up in the "Senior member" hype, but I have quality memorable posts and not 100's of spam posts to increase my post count.
Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to add my other .02 Jackson.
Peace, safety and happy hunting out there.
NC Hunter
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Again I'm not complaining. I want to pay tribute to the poetic giant. Since I can't beat him at his own game, so here it is:
[red]My name is skinless[/red]
Skinless is supposed to be shy
But I like to expose my round round bottom
Under the big big cherry blossom tree
I like old old Japanese women
With short short legs
And lots and lots of them
And my butt kicked
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Personally, I have nothing but praise for Jackson's actions against abusive members-senior or otherwise. I’m tired of the people with control issues who like to play out their sadist fantasies while hiding behind a monitor. It’s not why the forum exists. As far as losing out on their posts. So what? How many posts have we lost because of their abusive treatment? I’m not talking about the people they’ve attacked. I’m talking about mature and intelligent individuals out there whom after reading an attack on some unsuspecting poster who does not bother taking the risk of raising the ire of the control freaks themselves. We lose a lot more keeping and empowering the abusers than we do by silencing them. Not that Jackson is silencing them, just the BS that doesn’t belong here. They can continue to post on topic. If they don’t like that, they can put their money where their mouth is and set-up their own boards to talk. I don’t expect there will be much posted there though.
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I have tried not to get into this. It has gone on long enough and each post just adds fuel to the fire. I did something like this once before and regretted it. Mark Twain once said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear the fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
This could apply to me now, but as the NOVA fued has escalated, it applies to the main participants and those who won't let it lie, and yes right now that includes me.
At the risk of losing my next invite to LoveLOS' block party. At this point, we are all at fault. This word game has gotten out of hand. One reason I have not posted on this previously, is both LoveLOS and Trashman are well able to handle themselves in the word game. As none of us are perfect, for the most part, I tend to support them. I know their methods and I respect their posts. I cannot say that for the other "participant". I don't frequent the boards where he normally posts. I don't travel there, so no since reading about what I am missing.
If Trashman comes down hard on a new poster who says they've been reading the Forum for a long time and then ask where the action is. Trash is doing something most of us would like to do. Telling ther person to RTFF, which contratry to their post, they obviously haven't done. When Trashman or LoveLOS error, they are man enough to stand up and admit it.
Since this ruckus started, the once bountiful NOVA board has had less than ten posts. Others have stated it in their posts, and I echo their sentiments. It is time to end this and go back to getting information on how to get laid, not screwed.
We are at risk of losing two very informative members because one individual comes rambiling through the Northern VA board in the guise of Don Quoxtie to save us from ourselves.
Of the nearly 500 posts by that individual, only 12 are on any of the Virginia boards and 7 of them, that remain posted anyway, have been made since this fiasco started. Of the twelve, only two were of any substance and one of those was to tell us he'd gotten laid for free in Richmond. Okay, if you don't want to monger for money all the time, that is nice to know.
Right now, I tend to feel sorry for the position that Jackson is in.
Jackson has enough to do each day in tasks such as reviewing and sometimes editing the posts of the regular members. His policy of no email addresses, though I am sure there is a filter for this, also takes his time. Maintaining the Forum's hardware and software and now mediating this dispute. Plus as he has said, he has a real job to do as well. I tip my hat to you sir. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
I trust that Jackson will make an equitable decision. In the meantime, Uncle Otto, the next time you feel the need to go tilting at windmills, find and destroy one somewhere else. Please.
As an aside, but related to Uncle Otto is his response to a post on the Richmond board from March 6th. I have mixed emotions on the issue with the pimp who got the suspended sentence. That LE closed down his places for us to monger was bad. That the courts let the pimp who ran the places off is even worse. It rubs me the wrong way to think that most or all of donation I make to the young lady goes to some sorry pimp.
Pimps are like pushers and Hoyt Axton in his song "The Pusher" tells us what he'd do to the pusher.
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Just returned from a wonderful vacation in LOS and see the flame war has esclated to the point those of us in the Baltimore/DC/NOVA area risk losing two of our most valued senior members. This due to the intrusion of some "man of the world" that has little history of constructive posts in our area.
I believe the locals should have more input into Jackson's decision, so I want to confirm my full support of LoveLos and Trashman. These are real people who have contributed a wealth of information on mongering in the DC area. Yes trashman is the true "Don" of the board and LoveLos has done more to bring the local mongers together by hosting several round-tables where I have been able to meet and exchange information face-to-face with some good people.
To Uncle Otto: Your "world" history of reports has been excellent but your record in this area has not. Trashman has extended an invitation on several occasions to meet and "bury the hatchet" over a beer, yet you dance around the offer. Possibly because you are no where near the area and chose to stir up trouble from behind your PC. If you are concerned with your personal safety perhaps we can turn it into another "round-table" at a public establishment, where you need not be concerned about a one-on-one confrontation. Many of us are interested in hearing your words of wisdom first hand. And if such a meet can conclude the flame war so much the better. So are you really a man of NOVA or not?
To NOVA board members: Although I live in NOVA most of my posts have been confined to the DC board since that's where I do my mongering. I do (rather did) find the NOVA board informative and I respect your regular posters. Lets all remember the board was doing fine for the past year until Uncle Otto decided to call it "home".
I say "Bravo" to Trash and LoveLos for standing up to an obvious intruder. Monger on dudes!
XSailor
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Well it's been 4 whole days since anyone has commented on this situation. I guess now that things have calmed down a bit, it would be a good time to find out what Jackson has to say about the whole thing?
BTW, Jackson, I think it was very smart to let things just play themselves out. Eventually everyone just got bored of the whole subject. But, if you could let us know your opinion on the matter, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Jackson,
Member Starfe's contributions to the China board have been negative at best. I don't want to start or have a flame war with him but his comments are unnecessary. If they are critical but constructive than they are always welcome, but in this case they are not. Thank you for looking into this.
Intransit
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Jackson
I support Intransit's comments from a couple of days ago re Starfe, and if you look at his (Starfe's) posts since then, he seems intent on turning up the heat.
As a Senior Member he has obviously made some contributions in the past, but his China comments are taking us nowhere - except perhaps into a damaging flame war.
jack
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I totally agree with Intransit, although he's not stating the case against STARFE in strong enough terms.
Many of Starfe's posts meet your definition of 'spam' as given in the Forum FAQ ; namely : "Personal insults and attacks" and "General B.S."
The Spam FAQ also lists the sanctions for such behaviour, and I believe at the Very Least a Warning is in order
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My compliant is not about one member per say but all the non-posters or the very low posters who just want to take and give nothing back to the site. As many of the readers in the Thailand section know I posts a lot of picture and you would not believe the emails that I get from zero post members or very low post members asking for information. These guys just want to take information and in my opinion add very little if anything to the site.
Below is a PM from one of them:
“(Name Removed)
Regular Member
Posts: 1
Pattaya
Thanks SexReview. I am coming tp Pattaya in about 2 weeks, probably for about a month so I can really explore and meet some hot babes. What are your favourite go-go clubs in Pattaya at the moment. Are there any girls' numbers that you would recommend at any of these clubs?”
While I never mind giving information to the guys who post I don’t reply to the request from guys like this. Also the information he asks for is already on the site, if he was not so lazy he could find it. But instead he and others just want to be spoon-fed the information, never mind that the information is something that other members could benefit from. I would asked all the regular posts not to respond to PM from zero or low level posters and if you do get a request for information that the general board would benefit from not to reply in a PM but post the information for all to share.
I would asked Jackson to think about maybe disabling the PM system from these zero and or low post guys, if it is not to much work. Maybe keep the PM system as a reward once people have added to the board, I would think at least 5 to 10 posts would be more than fair.
Sexreview
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SR, that's a great idea. I get some of the same PMs, and while some are genuine, most are just stupid and want all the info without bothering to read a few pages of the forum. I don't know if Jackson can set up the PM system that way, but 10 posts pops into my head as a good number.
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I don't know that I agree with you guys on this -- while I've certainly gotten lots of the same kinds of PMs, I've also gotten a number from very new members that were quite specific and showed they'd spent a fair amount of time reading the archives. Some have asked very specific and pointed things about a particular place where I've mentioned staying, things which were not in my original post. It doesn't seem fair to me to penalize the ones who are doing things the right way just because there are lots of lazy bozos who aren't.
When I get posts such as you describe, I generally give them directions for searching the forum, with a couple of suggested keywords pertinent to their question. I usually get a follow-up message saying thanks and indicating by content that they've taken the advice and looked a bit. Sometimes these new folks simply don't know how things work as opposed to necessarily being lazy.
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PMs & photo-viewing for newbies,
Some zero post 'members' pmed me on all sorts of stuff.
I didn't really bother to reply, but I exposed one or two on the board.
Ten posts doesn't seem the answer to me, some newbies ask 'where should I go' on several pages. That is not my idea of 'ten posts'.
On some boards posters have to be active posters of on topic material in order to get valuable information themselves. If I had a site, that would be the way to go if said non-existing site ran out of bandwidth...
Bandwidth can be expensive, specialy when it's wasted.
No PMing and photo-viewing for newbies? Sounds right to me!
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I think the thing that should be encouraged is writing (hopefully) good reports. I, of course, would be against forcing anyone to post if it's against their nature. However, in a P4P world, they should be strongly encouraged to participate. I'm not sure how to accomplish this without going through a lot of bs. I certainly don't think that Jackson needs any more work to do in relation to the WSG.
I find that about 80% of the PMs I get from people with less than 10 posts are dumb, or really dumb questions. I've asked dumb questions myself (probably still do), so I try to be helpful. If it's too bad, I just ignore them.
Luckily 75% of PMs are from established members. I even had my mailbox fill up a couple of weeks ago. Does anyone know the limit (size or number of messages?) I'd guess about 80 messages, but haven't seen it refered to anywhere.
[blue]JC,
Please read the Forum FAQ for information on the PM system limits.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
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Jackson,
Thanks for the dedication and work ... here's a pointer toward someone who puts that work at risk for everyone:
A quick search of the posts for Tiny Elvis indicates he is trying to scam the US-Indiana-Bloomington board into PMing him for info on a WSW. The post is IDENTICAL to one he posted on the Gary board a week ago, indicating the same thing. Apparently the first time around he gave out a church's phone number to those who PMd him.
I also see where he's applied for Senior Member status. Jackson, giving this man Senior status would only lend legitimacy to his scams. I hope I've spotted him before he generates too many calls to God-knows-where in Bedford.
I think a revocation rather than a promotion is in order.
Stuck
