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Cherry Buster,

Before the crackdown I actually did visit the Shillim area and went to a masage parlour, but unfortunately, I had an older women who probably resembled one of my aunts and thus was discouraged and asked to only receive a hand job.

Scary memories. Avoid Shillim massage parlours at all costs.

Dizz Hizz

Was_ssnaspro,

The area that you passed by near A-hyun station is like a cheaper version of a room salon for the working middle class and taxi drivers. I wouldn't recommend it and nor do any of my local friends. I believe there is a second round with these girls but the girls (women better yet) or older and definitely more used.

There is also an area like that in Sinsa Dong and Daebong Dong. It's always worth a try though if you feel bold enough.

Dizz Hizz

Sorry to hear about Black October. I used to frequent 588 and Miyari all the time when I was visiting Seoul. I saw some pictures where they were completely wiped out. I'm heading back there at the end of this month. Is it ok to go there? Are there even any girls there?

Hello Cherry buster,

IMHO, you should make a journey to jang-an-dong because adventuring new places out of jang-an-dong is quite off-the-beaten track. A lot of places offer poor service with ugly or old girls. The problem is that you can not see a girl's face or body until you lay down on the barber chair and a girl turns up before you. At that thime, you would undress all and chang your clothes already. for your safety of money spending with valuable return, I suggest you go jang-an-dong. It is also very risky under the anti-prostitution law.

Spend more money and go to a turkish bath. They keep a certain level of service with safer system than barber shops.

YONGSAN GARRISON, South Korea — Nearly 400 U.S. servicemembers in South Korea have been punished this year for offenses related to prostitution, and military commanders promise continued efforts to end any activity associated with the sex trade or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], the top U.S. officer in South Korea said.

“Zero tolerance means exactly that. We’re not going to tolerate behavior which is dehumanizing, demoralizing and illegal. That’s always been the military’s intent,” U.S. Forces Korea commander Gen. Leon J. LaPorte said in an interview last week with Stars and Stripes.

“This whole [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] issue is a terribly tragic series of events that take tremendous advantage of children and women primarily. … Military values are not congruent with any type of interaction with that kind of activity.”

Of the 400 instances recorded between January and September of this year, LaPorte said, most were dealt with through an Article 15, a non-judicial punishment handed down by a unit commander. The punishments, some of which were handed down through courts-martial, were for soliciting prostitutes, breaking curfew or going to an off-limits establishment or area — the latter two being enforcement tools used by USFK to crack down on participation in the sex trade.

“It’s not a problem solely near the bases. We have placed over 800 enterprises off-limits. And some areas, entire zones have been put off limits to USFK personnel because, primarily, it’s an area known for prostitution,” LaPorte said.

“We have Courtesy Patrol and Korean National Police who patrol it, and you never see USFK personnel in these areas, because they realize it.”

“Clearly it is illegal in the Republic of Korea, clearly [it] is against our Uniform Code of Military Justice,” LaPorte said of the sex trade. “It is clearly incongruent with our values as an institution. And it is clearly incongruent with our values as a nation. We’re a nation that prides itself on human rights and treating people with individual dignity and respect, regardless of gender, race, creed or origin.”

LaPorte also dismissed the notion that the military has lately increased its focus on the issue.

“I wouldn’t say that it’s something newly emphasized because it has always been the position of the U.S. military — clearly it’s been the position of this command — that we don’t support this kind of activity,” he said.

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LaPorte pointed to recent efforts by South Korea to crack down on the sex trade, which the government has estimated brings in $20 billion a year. Over the past month, Korean police have conducted intense crackdowns on red-light districts.

Ok Jung-hoon, an officer with the Korean National Police’s anti-prostitution team, said nearly 5,000 people had been arrested since enforcement of tougher sex trade laws began last month.

A new report about the KNP efforts was to be released early this week, he said. But according to preliminary figures, the highest number of arrests have come at nightclubs serving as prostitution fronts or brothels; so-called “tea rooms” where sex is bought and sold; massage parlors; private homes; and barber shops, which are notorious in South Korea for providing more than a haircut.

Ok said a number of foreigners had been arrested in the crackdown, but he could not provide specific numbers or nationalities.

Other USFK officials said their efforts included more than public service announcements and warnings.

“There is a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on,” USFK Command Sgt. Major Troy Welch said Friday on his monthly radio program. “There is an increase of courtesy patrols in all entertainment districts. We’re attacking it that way.”

Courtesy patrols and military police are being trained to recognize the signs of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and are aggressively searching it out in areas where servicemembers might go, Welch said.

“We don’t have a lot of servicemembers paying for prostitutes, but we don’t want them exposed to it,” Welch said.

LaPorte said he has met with South Korean officials — including the minister of justice and the head of the KNP — to discuss the issue of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. He requested help from the South Koreans, he said, and offered whatever support USFK could offer.

LaPorte also has observed the issue by joining military patrols or Korean police in the off-limits areas. Those trips, he said, have shown “that the policies we’ve put into effect are necessary. There are areas in various cities that clearly are areas of concern to commands relative to prostitution and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. There are a lot of great establishments that have no connection whatsoever with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] or prostitution, and we’re very happy that our servicemembers have those available.”

“We have very strong command policies relative to this issue,” LaPorte said. “All of the commanders understand it and provide a lot of training and education to our young servicemembers relative to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. We have a multi-faceted program, a strategy that addresses awareness, identification, reduction and enforcement of policies associated with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].”

In addition to educating younger soldiers, “all our leadership training — our company commander course, our first sergeant course, our NCO academies — all now have instruction relative to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and prostitution,” LaPorte said.

Another facet is offering alternative for drinking off-post. Late night sports leagues, more movies, 24-hour facilities and increased chapel offerings help, LaPorte said.

“We’ve been doing this for a quite a while. And I’ll tell you, over the past two to three years, there has been a marked decline in crime, alcohol-related incidents and sexually transmitted diseases,” LaPorte said. “If you look for measures of effectiveness, are your policies being effective … we’re getting good solid positive indications our policies are working.”

Anyone been to a double pole barbershop since the end of the crackdown?

Dizz Hizz & Was_ssnaspro,

Yes, that area near Ahyon Station on the green subway line 2 is a sort of red-light district. A disappointing sort, to be avoided. As an adventurer, it was irresistible to me to try to figure out what shenanigans were on offer. After all, any place in Korea where trampy-looking girls sit behind a glass door in dim, pink lighting is that kind of place. But in Ahyon-dong it was extremely frustrating as they pretended that absolutely nothing of the sort was going on. It seems they are under instructions that no foreign dick is allowed. And it's easy to spend W60,000, W120,000, or W180,000 trying to get to that conclusion. One time, early in the exploration, I got an excellent two-girl fuck-and-suck in the booth for W180,000 but all that did for me was cause wasted time trying to duplicate the experience later.

It looks like the area on the right-hand side of the road heading to Yongsan Station from Seoul Station is a similar type of low-class room salon. I haven't tried it out around there. Also, north-south between Chongno 5-ga and Chonggye 5-ga there seems to be a similar district. Looks promisingly sleazy, but again, probably a waste of time. I've been curious about the room salons over near Chongnyang-ni -- has anybody tried one of them? Maybe that's one a Korean brother will need to guide us on.

Lol.

Yep, AhHyun-dong is, as SeoulSurvivor describes, full of low-class room salons, and really really sleazy place to visit. Can you get laid there? Yes, but it will cost (probably) more than the high class room salons in Kangnam.

Their trick is so simple : you are asked to order beer after beer by the box (if your refuse, you are kicked out), until they reach their own standard amount of sale, which roughly escalates 150,000won for showing tits, 300,000won for HJ/BJ, and 600,000won for FS. And it's per person.

So, among the Koreans, it's a standard practice to negotiate *before* entering the shop about what we are going to get at what price.
Simply put, don't go there.

Update on Crackdown:

Yep, RLDs are still closed and only operate in secret, I heard. The main alley in Chungryangri and Yongsan has no lights on, and some back alley shops
are open but without Red Light. You gotta negotiate with the mamasan before you enter the shops.

Unlike RLDs, MPs and KTVs seem OK to venture. Funny enough, if you have a distinct foreigner look, the chance of getting caught for the mongering seems so low. The polices nowdays are busy with their normal routine, whatever new set of rules begins to settle, I guess.

In MPs, you gotta keep denying that you have had a sex with a girl, and insist that you didn't know what kind of place it is - This is an instruction given to me by the Korean friends, who know the practice.

From Room Salon, you need to exchange girl's name and phone numbers, pretending old friend, and that where the police stops.
Anyhow it's a sad state of affair and it's still going on.

Play Thing

Guys,
I will be staying soon at Hotel Castle in Suwon, does anyone know if I can find action around or in this hotel?
Thanks
Denis

Hi anyone have O2's phone number. I have searched the forums and cannot find it. Please post it or PM me the number.

Thanks

Run Mann:

I must say that the presence of the above is intimidating even to an ordinary civilian American. On a visit to Seoul this week, I left Gecko's emptyhanded and wandered up the "hill" in pursuit of a cheap and quick BBBJ release. After failing to agree on price in a few of the places, I was approached and asked for ID. I told them I was not in the military, but they asked to look through my wallet. Thanking me for my cooperation, they let me go and moved on. Excuse my ignorance in these matters, but do they have any jurisdiction over me? What might have happened had I refused to cooperate?

Anyway, most of the girls on the hill asked 100k for BBBJ and would not go lower than 60k, showing me the door after my 30-40k offer. After a bit of perseverance, I did manage to find it for 30k. I guess it was getting late and something was better than nothing for her at that point. Who knows? She was much better looking than the usual skanks you see up there, but by no means the best looking available. There were quite a few that were doable as compared with the past. "Value for money" for lack of a better description. CIM and swallowed for a nice ending. Will go back.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Run Mann:

I must say that the presence of the above is intimidating even to an ordinary civilian American. On a visit to Seoul this week, I left Gecko's emptyhanded and wandered up the "hill" in pursuit of a cheap and quick BBBJ release. After failing to agree on price in a few of the places, I was approached and asked for ID. I told them I was not in the military, but they asked to look through my wallet. Thanking me for my cooperation, they let me go and moved on. Excuse my ignorance in these matters, but do they have any jurisdiction over me? What might have happened had I refused to cooperate?

Anyway, most of the girls on the hill asked 100k for BBBJ and would not go lower than 60k, showing me the door after my 30-40k offer. After a bit of perseverance, I did manage to find it for 30k. I guess it was getting late and something was better than nothing for her at that point. Who knows? She was much better looking than the usual skanks you see up there, but by no means the best looking available. There were quite a few that were doable as compared with the past. "Value for money" for lack of a better description. CIM and swallowed for a nice ending. Will go back.

OAH[/QUOTE]OAH

If you're not military and the MPs ask you for your ID, you can refuse to show it to them. However, if you do they will more than likely make contact with the KNPs and you would obviously be required to produce it for them (KNPs). If you're not military, recommend you don't make a big deal of it, just show your ID and move on as you did. The MPs and CPs have become part of the circus in Itaewon and as the article suggest, their presence will be there for some time to come. CPs can't even ask the military for ID, they're just courtesy patrol and have no power other than to call the MPs or KNPs for assistance.

Where did you get it for 30K? I found that the lowest rate for the service you described is at Fantasy and other clubs way on top of the hill, but those chicks are on the very low numerical scale. Some of the *****s have resorted to passing out their digits so you can call them later in and effort to give the impression there was a prior relationship in case you get caught.

I must say the strangle hold that was on Seoul the past two months appears to be loosing up a bit. :)

That BS across from McDonalds is no longer in existance and is now a Christian cafe!!

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This week has been a particularly good one in regards to non-pros. Managed to set up a threesome with a girl I met on Yahoo. She was hot, half black, half Korean...
Then while going through some old phone numbers, met 2 other girls who I banged during the week. And last nite picked up an off-duty hostess from Limelight. She worked in Ocean bar. So there is hope for guys who don't want to spend their cash on pros. XO bar is also a good place to pick up early in the week as its usually quite busy. The best place got to be Harlem in Hongdae! The girls there are dressed like skanks and you will seal the deal...

good luck:)!

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I was approached and asked for ID. I told them I was not in the military, but they asked to look through my wallet. Thanking me for my cooperation, they let me go and moved on. Excuse my ignorance in these matters, but do they have any jurisdiction over me? What might have happened had I refused to cooperate?[/QUOTE]I believe the MPs patrol with Korea PD back up. The Korean PD might not be in sight but they're there if needed. The MPs have no jurisdiction over civilians and you don't have to show your ID to an MP but in Korea you certainly have to produce photo ID any time a Korean cop asks for it. So if an MP suspects you're military and you refuse to produce ID, it's a simple matter to call in the Korean PD in. And you don't want to have to deal with those weirdos. So, you did the right thing.

Almost by accident, I ran into a very nice full-service massage parlor.

They offer body-body massage, front and back, BBBJ with both hot tea and ice water (quite a thrill), sex in different positions, and an actual massage afterward. I only had one girl, and while she was a little chubby, she made up for it with big breasts and a decent (for a Korean) ass. Overall, it cost 120,000 won for an hour of pure pleasure.

It is a little out of the way, though. If you were to go by taxi from Gangnam, it would end up about 10,000 won. On the other hand, you can take the number 7 line and get off at Sangbong, then hop in a taxi and say "anma" ("massage" in Korean), as there is only one in the neighborhood. They just opened up under the same owner as a nice place I used to go to in Apkujeong, but that place is currently closed down because of the crackdown, so the new place isn't having any problems with the police, obviously, probably because they are so distant.