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Speaking of inflation, it's obviously been a major topic on this board for a couple of years now. Maybe the anger and frustration mongers were feeling has finally reached the mainstream of Brazilian society. Ha, ha, seriously though, it would be interesting to learn where the rate increases in the termas are going. Are the girls getting paid a bit more, or is it all going to the owners? Or are the owners themselves being squeezed by bigger pay-offs, lease increases, etc?
[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1436792]I didn't miss your point. Your analysis applies to one segment of the public transit users. The transit fare increase applies to every use of the system. It is not limited to the daily commute for Petrobras and Banco do Brasil employees. It applies to all commuters, even the self-employed, the unemployed and the un-subsidized students. It applies to the shopping trip, the trip to the medico, all transit travel. It is but a single element in the grievances of the demonstrators. Otherwise they would have laid down their placards when the increase was rescinded. Inflation is currently in excess of 6 percent. The demonstrations are rooted in the bad economy, corruption, fiscal waste and incompetence of the government.[/QUOTE]Everything you wrote after the first sentence has nothing to do with my original post, which was about explaining how the Vale Transporte works. LOL. Ah well, my ignore list hadn't grown in a while.
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1437106]Everything you wrote after the first sentence has nothing to do with my original post, which was about explaining how the Vale Transporte works. LOL. Ah well, my ignore list hadn't grown in a while.[/QUOTE]Explaining how the Vale Transporte works. Peace!
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[QUOTE=Sperto;1435978]I was surprised that there seems to be so few "typical poor guys" (black people and nordestinos) in the protests. It seems like the majority are white. A mixture of Patricinhas, Mauricinhos, students, maconheiros, hippies, veados, communists and plain troublemakers.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1437512]Talking to one friend today, she said,"My country is still a racist country, and blacks are intimidated by it, so do not much black people in demonstrations and TV shows. Domingao do Faustao has 20 white dancers and 2 black dancers. In most novelas there are black maids. This is crazy in a mixed country. Too much racism. This is Brasil!"[/QUOTE]I understand both of your points but it's not just race, it's also a matter of education and social class. It also shows how Marx (Karl, not Groucho!) was a bit off in his theories of the rise of the proles. It usually takes educated middle-class folks to trigger a movement; poor people don't have education, and without education, specifically some education at the college level in the liberal arts, you can't develop political and ideological thinking / awareness / ideas. And you don't have opportunities to develop skills that organize and bring together large, diverse groups of people. Except perhaps labor unions with a limited agenda (steady employment and job benefits).
Partial exceptions to Sperto's comment I can think of would be our own civil rights movement in the 60's; also, the "Tea Party" seems to be composed of mostly white people in their 50's and 60's instead of hordes of young white college kids (like that massive rally in DC held by Jon Stewart & Steven Colbert right before the 2010 elections).
But the present manifestations in Brazil do seem to follow a general pattern we've seen in the "Occupy Wall Street" and "Arab Spring" movements. I'd also like to mention the "No Mas Secuestros" (No More Kidnappings) movement in Colombia some years ago. That was triggered by the college-age Facebook generation before the rest of the country joined in.
I was listening to a radio show earlier today where the protests in Brazil were discussed. They had bunch of guys debating the issue including some Brazilian national experts. I did have a hangover, so some might have been lost in translation.
Few talking points:
1. Brazil might split in half with the rich south forming its own country excluding the poor north.
2. The new Southern Brazil might restore constitutional monarchy.
3. And most shockingly. The City of Rio might secede all together and form a city-state. Just like Singapore. With all the petrol found on it shores, Rio has lots to lose if it has to share its new found wealth with the rest of the country. If this materializes, the city state of Rio will be the new Dubai, Hong Kong, etc, in the southern hemisphere.
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Want to thank all you guys on the ground who have been posting about the protests.
For many of us who actually still travel to Brazil and not just shoot off our mouths on this forum, your firsthand reports are very valuable.
For example, we may not be in Brazil at the moment but are planning the timing of a return trip. Sure, we have a lot of Brazilian friends on the ground, but their perspective is not the same as an American's.
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They actually post information worth reading. Is that cool Jackson?
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[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1438964]Want to thank all you guys on the ground who have been posting about the protests.
For many of us who actually still travel to Brazil and not just shoot off our mouths on this forum, your firsthand reports are very valuable.
For example, we may not be in Brazil at the moment but are planning the timing of a return trip. Sure, we have a lot of Brazilian friends on the ground, but their perspective is not the same as an American's.
Thanks again[/QUOTE]Beware of any plans you make for next Monday. My brazilian friends have informed me that something big is going down on Monday. Doesn't mean that it will be anything violent (There is always that possibility) , but essentially the intentions are to paralyze everything on Monday related to work. Suppose to be country wide effort. Let's see what develops. Becareful, plan carefully and always have an exit plan if you plan on taking a risk.
[QUOTE=Mangera;1439525]Beware of any plans you make for next Monday. My brazilian friends have informed me that something big is going down on Monday. Doesn't mean that it will be anything violent (There is always that possibility) , but essentially the intentions are to paralyze everything on Monday related to work. Suppose to be country wide effort. Let's see what develops. Becareful, plan carefully and always have an exit plan if you plan on taking a risk.[/QUOTE]Was in 4x4 today. Feasting on the delightful Lavinia. She said that transport on Monday could be difficult with bus strikes and train strikes. I think (excusing my so so porto) she said that 4x4 will be closed on Monday, if not then many girls will not be coming in to work because of the planned transport strikes.
[QUOTE=Torgoch;1439902]Was in 4x4 today. Feasting on the delightful Lavinia. She said that transport on Monday could be difficult with bus strikes and train strikes. I think (excusing my so so porto) she said that 4x4 will be closed on Monday, if not then many girls will not be coming in to work because of the planned transport strikes.[/QUOTE]Meant to post that in the Rio thread
[QUOTE=Mangera;1439525]Beware of any plans you make for next Monday. My brazilian friends have informed me that something big is going down on Monday. Doesn't mean that it will be anything violent (There is always that possibility) , but essentially the intentions are to paralyze everything on Monday related to work. Suppose to be country wide effort. Let's see what develops. Becareful, plan carefully and always have an exit plan if you plan on taking a risk.[/QUOTE]I guess it doesn't help that I live in walking distance to my office and already have a to-do list longer than my height.