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[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Never bought a girl a drink in HK, it's bullshit, they don't appreciate the drinks you buy them , and they dont get angry if you refuse. In fact they probably think you're stupid for buying them drinks. But I am egalitarian: sometimes I don't even buy myself a drink. Why waste money? I go to Fenwicks to pick up a girl, not to drink. I might buy a beer if thirsty, or if I am in high spirits, but I never buy a beer just to have something in my hand or to make the waitress leave me alone. Never bought a girl (or myself) a philly snack either.

I just talk to girls, see what's availalbe, select one, check belly for baby damage, and it's off to the races.

Save your money, don't offer anything at the bar or on the way back home, and put the minibar off limits. The girls just don't care about the snacks and drinks, they'll take them if offered, but they really don't appreciate the gesture. All they care about is the money they get, not the money you spend.[/QUOTE]You must be a barell of fun to spend time with, but its your money and your time.

However I dont share the same view as you in this matter and all of my Wan Chai pickups have been a great GFE expirience and non want to leave in the morning and I have to push them out and all will give me their CP numbers includuing their PI ones.

To each his own, but it just means that I and people that think like me just have more options at Fenwicks or Neptunes II

Wizard

I didn't say you should be mean or disrespectful. I just said there's no reason to buy drinks the first time that you meet a girl at Fenwicks. After all, in the 141 you can be nice and respectful without recourse to buying drinks and snacks.

If you hae long term relationships with girls in HK and you take the girl out on a date that is different. But there is no reason to buy a bar girl drinks the first time that you meet her: she'll go home with you for the take-out price whether you buy drinks or not.

I get numbers from the bar girls as well, also have to push them out the door, because, like I said: they really don't care one way or the other about drinks.

Well, I guess they may care a little, but do the math: if half of the drink goe to the bar and the girl gets half, she is only half as happy as if you gave her the same money as a "tip" after a ST in your room.

Depending on how much you spend on drinks for her and her friends, you might be able to get a LT instead of ST for the money you save not buying drinks. She will be twice as happy, and so will you!

I used to buy bar girls drinks, then I experimented and stopped. No change in their attitude. I assume that it is because they get much more money from you during the take-out than from the drinks. I never had a girl refuse take out because of drinks, that's for sure.

I used to feel nervous myself without a drink, then I experimented, no one cared if I had a drink in my hand or not either.

If you like to drink, drink. If you have money to throw around, buy a round for everyone. But it is not required.

Depends on the place.

If you at Bar/clubs in 5 star hotels, it is customary to court the girls at the table with drinks.

At Fenwicks or Neptunes pick up joints, the girls need to hustle drinks for the bar in order to come in and work the customers. But I don't see bars taking down the girl's names or anything, so not sure what the agreement is.

[QUOTE=Hat Trick]Depends on the place.

If you at Bar/clubs in 5 star hotels, it is customary to court the girls at the table with drinks.

At Fenwicks or Neptunes pick up joints, the girls need to hustle drinks for the bar in order to come in and work the customers. But I don't see bars taking down the girl's names or anything, so not sure what the agreement is.[/QUOTE]Fenwicks: They get secretly slipped a ticket and receive 40 on a drink for 65 and 80 on a drink for 120 (Thats why they all go for tequila on the rocks).

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Fenwicks: They get secretly slipped a ticket and receive 40 on a drink for 65 and 80 on a drink for 120 (Thats why they all go for tequila on the rocks).[/QUOTE]Tequila Rock and Roll is the double commission drink. They do not mind if you say 'no' to that and 'yes' to just a Tequila.

I do not see the point of paying the double commission unless it is well deserved!

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Fenwicks: They get secretly slipped a ticket and receive 40 on a drink for 65 and 80 on a drink for 120 (Thats why they all go for tequila on the rocks).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that sounds right.
I was taking a Cololmbiana out of Fenwicks, once she asked me to buy her a drink, then she asked me to buy her friend a drink, then I said fuck this and never bought another girl a drink there.

The girls all ask for a drink, I say no, and they don't have a problem.

Why buy a girl a drink if you're not going to bar fine her? You're blowing 65-120 for nothing, who cares what she thinks.

If you are going to barfine her, why buy a drink? You're blowing 65-120 since she's coming home with you anyway. Since she only makes a max of 80 on a drink, versus a barfine of say 800, she's not going blow a barfine by getting uppity about a drink. If she keeps asking for a drink, just tell her to fuck off and find another girl.

If you buy yourself, her, and a friend a few rounds, you're already looking at the difference between ST-LT or the cost of a second ST after one ST with the current girl.

To make her happy, if that's your thing, give her a tip for pictures or anal or whatever makes you happier, she keeps it all instead of giving the bar a cut and you get some actual increase in service.

Call me crazy for wanting to maximize my happiness instead of the bar's, and also give her the most out of it as well, by cutting the bar out.

I agree with Crazy Jim all the way.

Why give the house your money instead of the girl? If you intend to take a girl out, then just tell her, "I would rather give you the money as a tip instead of the house as a lady-drink". I have done that before and they all agreed and appreciated it.

There is also a gentlemanly way to decline buying a lady-drink........Just say, "Not right now maybe later." It has worked for me many times. And when they come back to pester you again, just give them the same line and they get the message.

And I certainly would not buy a lady-drink for any woman I had no intention of taking out, especially if they continue to pester me.

I think we have a difference of opinion as I like to spend at least an hour or two in those places and prabobly speak with 3 or 4 girls just to get the right vibe and if one of them spends 45 min talking to me then the 50HK$ she makes of the drink is small compersation for her time.

But like I said thats just my view of the world, good luck in yours.

wizard

Sorry to ask this, i tried using the search function to no avail here.(I am new to the forum). I am desperate and if any of you can help me i would really appreciate it. I am heading to HK in a few days and need to get a visa to go to Guanzhou. Anyone know of a agency that can get me a visa same day?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]...And I certainly would not buy a lady-drink for any woman I had no intention of taking out...[/QUOTE]Well, yes and no.
I had a story a couple of years back. There was a girl I would rate the most attractive I have ever seen in Fenwicks (I felt shy to approach her). Just as a coincindence a moment later she was standing next to me and we started talking. I met her again a few days later and she was real fun talking to. Not in HK with an agent, but one of the very few who was smart enough to be there on her own. I must have spent something like 500 on drinks only that night (don't ask me why, I normally never do this), but we somehow clicked. She told me she would not go with customers, since she makes 15 tequila on the rocks a night (net 1200 HK$) on average. I asked her how she refuses customers, she said by charging 3000 ST. Then she encouraged me to come with her to Shenzhen on her visa run. And she ended up being a freebie for several weekends in China and Macau over a year. But it was strictly outside HK, because when in HK she was on business.
I had several Filipines who would appreciate me accompany them to China just for the comfort of having soneone around who is familiar with the place. Unfortunately that is on hold now since they don't get visas anymore.

Hi,

I will be the first tim in HK with a little time for the fun. I hafe read the forum, but I still have no real plan and view on where to stay best, and where to go or look. I would like to stay in a niche hotel, I am not on a budget, and will get some fun in the hotel. And I like to see how the mongering scene wi "working" in HK.

I will have time to check the digfferent options.

Can someon help me with tips?

I realy would be happy abote some help.

Thanks

Will

There are plenty of hotels on the island and you can stay in Wanchai or Central etc.

I prefer to stay in Kowloon or TST and Mody Rd is good as its just on the entrance to the harbour tunel. The Intercontinetal is great if budget is not a high priority. And there is also stocky fingers on Mody Rd if you dont want to go far for your P4P bar fun, the band is not bad and although the talent is slightly older there are some real gems every now and again coming through the place.

Well as for mongering as I am not a sauna, KTV kind of guy I usually start the night off at Lan Kwai Fong, lots of expat bars lining the main drag, about 80% regular girls including tourists and the rest FL that are trying a different location for the evening.

If there is nothing that takes your fancy there then just jump in a cab and head to Wanchai, I like Fenwicks and Neptunes II as my favourite mongering spots, lots of talent mostly Thai and Filipina with a smothering of Sth Americans and Eastern Europeans thrown in. have fun and enjoy the night.

Hope that helps

Wizard

Here's a tip: RTFF
[QUOTE=Will Smith69]Hi,

I will be the first tim in HK with a little time for the fun. I hafe read the forum, but I still have no real plan and view on where to stay best, and where to go or look. I would like to stay in a niche hotel, I am not on a budget, and will get some fun in the hotel. And I like to see how the mongering scene wi "working" in HK.

I will have time to check the digfferent options.

Can someon help me with tips?

I realy would be happy abote some help.

Thanks

Will[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood].

Call me crazy for wanting to maximize my happiness instead of the bar's, and also give her the most out of it as well, by cutting the bar out.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - I can agree with what you're saying.

On the other hand, perhaps you should also consider the fact that the bars do need to make some money....especially from those who do not mind spending a bit or wanting to act a bit like a BSD. We need these guys to keep on doing this - otherwise places like Fenwicks are gonna close down! And where would that put us mongers??

So I would suggest that the we do NOT tell others here to strongly never buy lady drinks. Keep to your own habits - whatever it may be in regards to these lady drinks - but cool it a bit about telling others NOT to buy 'em.

Good idea??

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Sfudge]Sorry to ask this, i tried using the search function to no avail here.(I am new to the forum). I am desperate and if any of you can help me i would really appreciate it. I am heading to HK in a few days and need to get a visa to go to Guanzhou. Anyone know of a agency that can get me a visa same day?

Thank you![/QUOTE]
I should just tell you to RTFF - but from your posting, you are really clueless aintcha??
Go to the China - General Info thread, go back 3 or so pages and you'll find all the info you'll need - which is that unless you're pretty damn lucky or a miracle happens, you ain't gonna get a China visa in Hong Kong. You need to apply for it from your home country/country of residence.
SEAJ