Bangkok Reports

[quote=tony hoeprano;1309764]not to mention those indian peanut sellers. wtf, i see those knuckleheads everywhere i'm eating. i'm sitting there having a meal, they come up to me and just stand there. there product line is awful too. if they had chocolate covered raisins, i might bite lol[/quote]talking of indian girls, they are definitely worth spending you money on, but having lived there and having a continuous business association there, i can give my 2 cents to the forum here. indian brothels are definitely not worth visting, you get ripped off and most importantly being a foreigner, you can become easy target of police, who are definitely in the game to squeeze as much money as possible from the hookers. please remember that prostitution is illegal in india and it is strictly enforced on foreigners. please keep away from the red light districts. most red light districts are in the worst districts of the city and are very unmaintained.

if you want to monger you have to go though the usual pimps and 5 star hotel routes. most sessions will cost you 300 usd upwards + the hotel expenses. but you get a bevy of beauties to choose from. my own experience has been very good, after getting bored of the usual asians (i meant the chinese looking ones) the indian girls are definitely a welcome change.

because of the high costs there and the general lack of upkeep and hygiene in many indian brothels, you will find so many indians tourists in bangkok and prices to and fro from bangkok are rock bottom.

the value of indian rupee being even lower than bahts, most choose to get the lowest valued hookers in thailand. which is similar to thai men with their limited budget. (well not all thai men can afford the hi end thai only establishments)

about the peanut sellers, please do not associate them with indians, they are from the lowest of classes in india, and they have been following a business route set up by a few before them and they come here to earn and go back. seriously they are the worst of the lot. atleast the cheap tourists (not only from india, but from all countries) have enough to pay their mongering activities. these peanut sellers are just here to survive.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1309764]NOt to mention those Indian peanut sellers. WTF, I see those knuckleheads everywhere I'm eating. I'm sitting there having a meal, they come up to me and just stand there. There product line is awful too. If they had chocolate covered raisins, I might bite LOL[/QUOTE]Tony you are a cheapo capable of eating only on the streets, so you deserve all the pests and beggars of the society. Stop complaining, go to a air conditioned restaurant.

[quote=asslover945;1309808]about the peanut sellers, please do not associate them with indians, [b]they are from the lowest of classes in india[/b], and they have been following a business route set up by a few before them and [b]they come here to earn and go back[/b]. [b]seriously they are the worst of the lot[/b]. atleast the cheap tourists (not only from india, but from all countries) have enough to pay their mongering activities. [b]these peanut sellers are just here to survive[/b].[/quote]so let me try to understand:

the guys are ultra-poor, they have 2 choices in front on them: stay in india and starve or go to thailand and survive. if i was in their shoes, i'd sell peanuts as well.

i have not lived in india but it looks like you have something against the poor classes, whatever the reason, i think they are as human as you and me and deserve to be treated normally. i am sure they would have loved to have been born white and with parents that had money for a good education, a roof and a warm meal every-day.

just my 2 rupees

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1309759]Oh and BTW, the "couples" you see wandering around Bangkok, may just be that: "real couples", not hired companions.[/QUOTE]Or maybe LT couples, for a week or so.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1309811]Tony you are a cheapo capable of eating only on the streets, so you deserve all the pests and beggars of the society. Stop complaining, go to a air conditioned restaurant.[/QUOTE]Haha. Good one there Asslove. This time it was after watching the Dark Knight Rises and my GF took me to a Thai restauarant close to Rama 9. I was the only non-thai there and lo and behold one of these peanut sellers approaches us with his crappy assortment of nuts. If they are indeed the lowest of low, its pretty nice of these Thai restaurants to allow them to solicit. I couldn't imagine sitting at Applebees in the US and in comes an illegal Guatemalan selling crappy walnuts or whatever it may be.

Anyways. I've been eating a lot more at the traditional thai restaurants and its much much better than most of that crappy street food. Love the style where everyone shares the food in the middle but I have to control myself not to bogart all the food LOL.

I still only eat with either chopsticks or a fork. I think Thais must be ambidextrous to do that fork and spoon routine hehe.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1309764]NOt to mention those Indian peanut sellers. WTF, I see those knuckleheads everywhere I'm eating. I'm sitting there having a meal, they come up to me and just stand there. There product line is awful too. If they had chocolate covered raisins, I might bite LOL[/QUOTE]Who are you to judge people? You need to thank your lucky stars that you atleast maybe have a roof over your head and money to buy food.

There are many people trying to earn a living all over the world. As long as they do not rob me or hurt me it is ok.

You sound like a prejuduced faggot!

I agree Indian brothels are to be completely avoided. But to pay $300 for ST is a being ripped off. Average rate is about $100 (5, 000 RS). But then again for 300 bucks you do get a better class (hopefully).

[QUOTE=Sammon;1309929]Who are you to judge people? You need to thank your lucky stars that you atleast maybe have a roof over your head and money to buy food.[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding. Touts are annoying. I don't care about their race or origin. Their actions are intrusive. I'm walking down a street in certain parts of BKK, Pattaya, or Hong Kong minding my own business and some tout spots me out of the crowd simply because I am white (who is the racist?) and wants to sell me a shitty cheap suit or a fake watch for the umpteenth time. Yeah its always the same guys. The fact that I politely decline and walked away from them 20x before makes no difference. After a while, "fuck off asshole," is all I have to say to them and then they stop bothering me... until next time.

By the way, I do feel sorry for them. They have a lousy job, are payed next to nothing, and must live in a shit hole. The real villlians here are their employers that promise them a lot to get them to come over and then exploit them to their advantage. I never do business in this type of store. These foreign touts should be deported and this practice outlawed.

Definition: In British English, a tout is any person who solicits business or employment in a persistent and annoying manner (generally equivalent to a solicitor or barker in American English, or a spruiker in Australian English).

An example would be a person who frequents heavily touristed areas and presents himself as a tour guide (particularly towards those who do not speak the local language) but operates on behalf of local bars, restaurants, stores, or hotels, being paid to direct tourists towards certain establishments.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1309929]Who are you to judge people? You need to thank your lucky stars that you atleast maybe have a roof over your head and money to buy food.

There are many people trying to earn a living all over the world. As long as they do not rob me or hurt me it is ok.

You sound like a prejuduced faggot![/QUOTE]Hey no need to be a dickhole sir! I like Indian peanut peddlers just like the next guy! In fact, I'll go to soi cowboy and pay the bar fine for one of those guys just so they can experience the sweet nectar of Thai poon!

[QUOTE=FreeLancester; 1309585]Hey guys!

Actually I'm not as such interested in taking a girl at 2-3am For LT to my hotel. Instead, I would like to spend a whole evening or even day with her.

The kind of girl I'm looking for is young (say max. 23 years) , REALLY pretty and most importantly NOT a professional.[/QUOTE]1. Get over the "not a professional." If they do, they are.

2. Accept that older = better skilled.

Others may disagree, but given your desire for an extended relationship and / or a sense of "the hunt," you make a choice. If you want to feel like you're seducing a girl, go to a freelancer bar like Biergarten and give it a try. If that's not important, go to an agency and trade "the hunt" for beauty.

[QUOTE=FreeLancester; 1309585]Now, having said that I'm struggling with the following:

Actually I'm not as such interested in taking a girl at 2-3am For LT to my hotel. Instead, I would like to spend a whole evening or even day with her.

I'm looking for a GFE, so ideally I take her out for dinner, then we go I. E. Shopping / to the movie and finally we land in my hotel room (of course.).

The last time I was in BKK, it happened to me quite often that I saw couples (thai + farang) wandering around the city who seemed to do this.

The kind of girl I'm looking for is young (say max. 23 years) , REALLY pretty and most importantly NOT a professional.

What I mean by "not a professional" is that she hasn't been working in this business for a long time, maybe she could be even a little shy.[/QUOTE]What your asking for is an extremely pretty girl who will F U crazy but does not know enough to clock-charge and work you like the other girls that have been doing this for a longer time.

I call the above the "mongers definition" of a non-pro.

I agree some girls might not want the self perception of being a ho as it conceals her mileage and hides them from the social ranking stigma. I think less so in LOS as the ho population seems higher than other places.

Just don't forget. A ho, is a ho, is a ho, and the whole concept of pro vs non-pro can be self delusional at best. Just as the girl might want to conceal her being a ho, the monger hopes to use that facade with hopes of finding an inexperienced business girl who does not know any better with respect to what to charge him.

Yes, that non-pro facade exists but just don't think she may have any less mileage than the other girls having more guts that don't care.

I have come across so many guys that tout they only spend time with non-pros. Fact is, this is either a money issue or the monger does not want to admit to himself his earnings go to the hard core hos of the world. You being only 23yo, my money is on the first.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1309929]Who are you to judge people? You need to thank your lucky stars that you atleast maybe have a roof over your head and money to buy food.

There are many people trying to earn a living all over the world. As long as they do not rob me or hurt me it is ok.

You sound like a prejuduced faggot![/QUOTE]He is a bigoted racist to the core. He has targeted Indians with his snide remarks more than once.

And he is a cheap ass broke dude who can afford to eat only on the streets where naturally you have all the beggars, old homeless grannies selling tissues & Chewing gum, or kids selling flowers and of course his favourite Indian peanut seller. But he somehow seems to forget all the others irritants like the cockroaches, or the filth right next to him or the granny and the kid, But being the racist that he is, he just remembers the Indian peanut seller.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1310081]He is a bigoted racist to the core. He has targeted Indians with his snide remarks more than once.

And he is a cheap ass broke dude who can afford to eat only on the streets where naturally you have all the beggars, old homeless grannies selling tissues & Chewing gum, or kids selling flowers and of course his favourite Indian peanut seller. But he somehow seems to forget all the others irritants like the cockroaches, or the filth right next to him or the granny and the kid, But being the racist that he is, he just remembers the Indian peanut seller.[/QUOTE]True but let us ignore and move on, not that I am supporting his misdemanours but let us not waste time.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1309519]If anything will kill soi cowboy its those ... watch sellers-they just ruin the atmosphere.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone offered me a watch at Soi Cowboy, more than once in the last year. If there was a watch selling stand I would certainly have walked straight past without a glance.

On a serious note, if anything will kill off Cowboy, its progressive change. We now have far too many Coyote bars. We now have a ladyboy bar, and some other bars with one or two of them (LBs) , where we used to think Cowboy was a safe place from LBs. What next? Cowboy is somewhat in decline. Hopefully all "the Arab's" bars will fail to make money and most of the pathetic Coyote girls will go. Most of them are just not pretty or skilled enough to be worth watching. If you want Coyote, its best to go somewhere else.

Cowboy's downfall could come from failing to be sufficiently different from Nana.

The "sex" police should come along. Clean out all the child beggars. Make sure elephants don't come. Clean out the LBs. Clean out the flower sellers, and various other annoying urchins.

The most we can really do is refuse to give money to Children, elephants, peanut sellers, flower sellers, and stay out of Coyote bars, which are strictly for tourists I guess, or businessmen pretending to have a clean image.

What would happen if Nana Plaza closed? Where would all those masses of ladyboys go? Hopefully back to Phat Phong or to Soi Ladyboy.