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I walked into the ABC Hotel and asked about coming parties. They said there won't be a pool party this year, but they will have a rooftop New Years Eve party this year. I checked the pics from last year. There are no local girls there like the pool party had. We need to bring our own girls at 1500 p each. That is alot of money for AC. Is anyone interested in this? What do we do, BF a girl, have her get dressed up and bring her to this party? Seems like an odd scene. Seems like it might be the local celebrities that have GFs in town.

Seems like Makati might be the better deal for NY eve.

If you are speaking from experience, please share at least a few of the dirty details.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1939817]It takes a lot of guts to come here and admit that you mistakenly or otherwise got emotionally attached to a sex worker. Its a occupational hazard of the punter. You would have to be a bit of a psychopath not to be vulnerable to some extent. I would be a liar if I did'nt admit that occasionally a woman will get under my radar. Warning alarms goo off in my head when I hear guys describing sex workers as 'my girl'. Before going in remind yourself you are entering the biggest brothel in the PI's. Enjoy the palaver in the bar but don't take it seriously.

Live by the 3 day rule: if you continue with bar sex workers for more than 3 days you are in danger of going off the rails or going broke (or both).[/QUOTE]

Good post Chocha Monger.

Agree with you 100% on all of your points especially about sucking on a bar girls tongue and pussy.

Thought I was straight to the point with my posts but I have to hand that title to you LOL.

Socker,

You say in your latest post "P100 for a blow job". I think she got more like P500 from the old guy, possibly even P1000 if she did a good job. BJ bars before the Police Raids were regularly charging P700/800 for a BJ, thorough one, proper one. So a rushed one by the love of your life (LOL) would garner P500 methinks, but then, 'old man' impressed me as someone who does not have a lot more time on Planet Earth, and thus is making sure he has a good time before the Grim Reaper taps him on the shoulder. Hence he does not care how much he spends. Cannot take it with him, when he dies.

P1800 in ladies drinks to women he never touched, LD's to girls at his table, Pesos to girls at table who vacuumed him, tips, his own drink / s. His bill most probably tipped the P4000/5000 mark, in a low level bar called Candy. He is in a different spending league to you and me. Consequently he gets the action.

The girls quickly sense the guys who are careful with their money, and keep their distance, and head to those who think there is no tomorrow.

Beware the old guys with too little time and too much money.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1939965]I walked into the ABC Hotel and asked about coming parties. They said there won't be a pool party this year, but they will have a rooftop New Years Eve party this year. I checked the pics from last year. There are no local girls there like the pool party had. We need to bring our own girls at 1500 p each. That is alot of money for AC. Is anyone interested in this? What do we do, BF a girl, have her get dressed up and bring her to this party? Seems like an odd scene. Seems like it might be the local celebrities that have GFs in town.

Seems like Makati might be the better deal for NY eve.[/QUOTE]A barfine girl will not want to go to a party of good girls. And the good girls will not want hookers there = not on. The P1500 is most probably to discourage mongers bringing puta's. Perhaps with trends as they are, ABC is trying to change its image. Political correctness is a broad broom. Can't sweep it under the carpet anymore, hence, "come clean" ?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1940141]Socker,

You say in your latest post "P100 for a blow job". I think she got more like P500 from the old guy, possibly even P1000 if she did a good job. BJ bars before the Police Raids were regularly charging P700/800 for a BJ, thorough one, proper one. So a rushed one by the love of your life (LOL) would garner P500 methinks, but then, 'old man' impressed me as someone who does not have a lot more time on Planet Earth, and thus is making sure he has a good time before the Grim Reaper taps him on the shoulder. Hence he does not care how much he spends. Cannot take it with him, when he dies.

P1800 in ladies drinks to women he never touched, LD's to girls at his table, Pesos to girls at table who vacuumed him, tips, his own drink / s. His bill most probably tipped the P4000/5000 mark, in a low level bar called Candy. He is in a different spending league to you and me. Consequently he gets the action.

The girls quickly sense the guys who are careful with their money, and keep their distance, and head to those who think there is no tomorrow.

Beware the old guys with too little time and too much money.[/QUOTE]Agree fully Sxxx.

There is no Angeles girl who would get under the table and suck grand daddies cock for less than 500 pesos, probably much more.

Years back in most all Angeles bars if you bought a girl a lady drink (single as doubles were unheard of) then a very short blow job was included in the price.

Often would play games with 3-4 girls sitting around taking turns to blow, the girl who could make one come in her mouth would get the 500 peso tip on top of the lady drink.

Oh the memories LOL.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1939965]I walked into the ABC Hotel and asked about coming parties. They said there won't be a pool party this year, but they will have a rooftop New Years Eve party this year. I checked the pics from last year. There are no local girls there like the pool party had. We need to bring our own girls at 1500 p each. That is alot of money for AC. Is anyone interested in this? What do we do, BF a girl, have her get dressed up and bring her to this party? Seems like an odd scene. Seems like it might be the local celebrities that have GFs in town.

Seems like Makati might be the better deal for NY eve.[/QUOTE]Have spent many a new year at the ABC new year roof top parties.

It is definitely a select crowd with most guys there being business owners with their wives, long time good girl girlfriends.

Security at the entrance has strict face control with bar girls discouraged from entry.

Always some very pretty ABC staff around to flirt with for the younger well dressed, well heeled guys.

There is zero prostitution allowed or going on at these events.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1940141]Socker,

You say in your latest post "P100 for a blow job". I think she got more like P500 from the old guy, possibly even P1000 if she did a good job. BJ bars before the Police Raids were regularly charging P700/800 for a BJ, thorough one, proper one. So a rushed one by the love of your life (LOL) would garner P500 methinks, but then, 'old man' impressed me as someone who does not have a lot more time on Planet Earth, and thus is making sure he has a good time before the Grim Reaper taps him on the shoulder. Hence he does not care how much he spends. Cannot take it with him, when he dies.

P1800 in ladies drinks to women he never touched, LD's to girls at his table, Pesos to girls at table who vacuumed him, tips, his own drink / s. His bill most probably tipped the P4000/5000 mark, in a low level bar called Candy. He is in a different spending league to you and me. Consequently he gets the action.

The girls quickly sense the guys who are careful with their money, and keep their distance, and head to those who think there is no tomorrow.

Beware the old guys with too little time and too much money.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, that was a good one.

Regarding payment for under the table BJs I'm not sure. She was under for 5 minutes or less, she's not getting 800 pesos for 5 minutes. And yes the ladies are pros at spotting CCs and I'm not one of them. I don't pay much attention to who I'm competing w / old or young doesn't matter. If another guy beats me to the punch w a lady I know well good for him.

My post was not about normal win / loss competition w other mongers. It was about the blow job table and a lady I enjoyed one day with. She is vibrant, beautiful and fun to be around and I had to see the underbelly of her work at a BJ bar. I did not know about this potential bad feeling (that occurred) because I've never hunted pussy in a BJ bar. That was another point no one seems to get. There are differences between regular bars and BJ bars, the Candy Bar is a "Regular / BJ bar". I never thought my girl would be one of his dick suckers, I should have known better though.

I thought the Candy Bar BJ bar was worthy of mention. The post was not about my reaction to this realization but about being in a "Regular / BJ bar" and the potential for strong hard feelings. I like BJ bars and I like regular bars more, big deal.

I guess the only thing worse than seeing a favorite daytime companion go under the BJ table would be going under the "Bung Hole table".

Lastly the same negative guys here never come close to the focus of my post. They love to insinuate some kind of monger stupidity when a monger (like me) wants more than a mechanical fuck. These pessimist must live boring as shit lives, but that's how nature wants it.

There are not many aspects of living in the USA where I am positive about (these days). For me the glass is half empty because of the PC government but I will say I am an optimist when it comes to pussy hunting in AC. The glass is more than half full here and I've done pretty well. But fucking twice everyday gets old (fast) and so I'm ready to leave. I've met some real cool women and many sent me texts this morning saying goodbye. A sincere goodbye for me, for others there is no such thing as sincerity in hookerland.

I have a ton more respect for the AC BGs than the pessimist (NS, CH) here.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1940181]Agree fully Sxxx.

There is no Angeles girl who would get under the table and suck grand daddies cock for less than 500 pesos, probably much more.

Years back in most all Angeles bars if you bought a girl a lady drink (single as doubles were unheard of) then a very short blow job was included in the price.

Often would play games with 3-4 girls sitting around taking turns to blow, the girl who could make one come in her mouth would get the 500 peso tip on top of the lady drink.

Oh the memories LOL.[/QUOTE]Without a doubt beau knew that the money was on granddaddy's nuts that is why she scurried under that BJ table faster than a starving squirrel! Bar girls will bypass the busters and go straight to the money every time, their survival depends on it. Bar girls only ignore past customers if they were bad for business. It is not only about the amount of money the guy pays, the girls take a pass on mongers who proved to be high maintenance in the past or were particularly distasteful to service.

For example, once a monger kept trying to beat down this freelancer's price but she would not lower it below 2,500 pesos. Finally, the monger caved in frustration and agreed to pay her price. As they were going out the door, the guy muttered for 2,500 pesos your better prepare your ass too! The girl froze in her tracks and walked back inside telling the guy that the deal was off as her asshole was not on the menu and he obviously intended to take revenge for her not giving him a lower price. So, the bar girls definitely avoid repeating with some guys for reasons the guys might not even be aware of.

Some mongers pride themselves on being great Casanovas, wearing out the bar girls between the sheets and thinking it makes them want to be their wife for life. In reality, the girls may want a bit of sleep and an early departure to go fuck the pinoy boyfriend before reporting back to the bar for duty. In other cases, the girl might have noticed that the guy had a dick that looked like corn on the COB because of genital warts of some other issue but he wanted bareback. She might not want to offend the monger by raising the issue but she will have an excuse ready the next time he shows up wanting to bar fine her to continue the love affair.

Into my fourth day in AC, and no complaints so far. Most of the bars on Fields have at least one to two very doable spinners. As usual I got somewhat inebriated on the first day, but did manage to hook up with a great spinner (photo below) who nursed me back to health and provided an awesome companionship. Barfined her for couple of nights, but she offered a discount (her words) for the third night. With that lovely ass, how could I say no. There was a silent agreement and understanding that this would be it. Had really good time with her in High Society on Thursday. Actually danced for first time in many years. There were some model material girls dancing there, but I prefer cute spinners. The DJ drives me crazy with his inability of holding onto a song for longer than 10 seconds before mixing it. Anyway, great time had by all. I am currently at the Queens Hotel and noticed that on the seventh floor they have a lounge with a dozen of companions. Some looked ok, so will have to redeem my free drink voucher and check it out. Going to have a morning nap now, as another 18 year old spinner keeps messaging me non stop. The demise of AC is overstated. So far having a great time.

I returned to AC after a 4 month break and was stunned to note that, besides Kokomos & Brettos at McDo end, virtually all restaurants in Walking Street are Korean. Very soon western mongers will have to speak Korean, eat kimchi, & pay Korean girlie prices; or retreat to mid Perimeter. Upper Perimeter is definitely totally Korea town. The girls have sniffed Korean money and the quality women have already migrated to Korean bars. In 2 years from now they will have AC sewn up, other Asian alternatives will need to be reassessed.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1940589]I returned to AC after a 4 month break and was stunned to note that, besides Kokomos & Brettos at McDo end, virtually all restaurants in Walking Street are Korean. Very soon western mongers will have to speak Korean, eat kimchi, & pay Korean girlie prices; or retreat to mid Perimeter. Upper Perimeter is definitely totally Korea town. The girls have sniffed Korean money and the quality women have already migrated to Korean bars. In 2 years from now they will have AC sewn up, other Asian alternatives will need to be reassessed.[/QUOTE]The K factor can be diluted quite a lot, through behavior. One thing the grils told me. They do not like being groped in the bars. A whitey next to me bought a single ladies drink, then non stop groped the girl for 30 minutes. She gets P50 commission on the drink. Nowadays girls reckon the groping from a stranger, is not worth suffering, for P50.

Generally speaking we are more aggressive, less SE Asian. They prefer the K's SE Asian approach which means less emphasis on sex itself. Initially anyway.

I think we will always be in demand cause we have a track record of marrying bar girls, taking them back to our home country where they experience financial stability, and raising a family. K's will not take a bar girl back to Mumma in South Korea. Filipinos are not held in high regard around SE Asia, that's for sure.

If your patient, not rough or rude, you can get the K type girls. They just need to get to know you first. "Treat them like a lady, and they will perform like a tramp" (ex Frank Sinatra?

Simply put, we have got a bad reputation, but that can be fixed with a patient approach. Get a reputation of being a nice guy in the bar and all is available to you. Patience.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1940589]I returned to AC after a 4 month break and was stunned to note that, besides Kokomos & Brettos at McDo end, virtually all restaurants in Walking Street are Korean. Very soon western mongers will have to speak Korean, eat kimchi, & pay Korean girlie prices; or retreat to mid Perimeter. Upper Perimeter is definitely totally Korea town. The girls have sniffed Korean money and the quality women have already migrated to Korean bars. In 2 years from now they will have AC sewn up, other Asian alternatives will need to be reassessed.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct Fastpiston, not only every restaurant that comes up for sale is bought by a Korean but every bar too, have never seen so many Koreans in one place outside of Korea.

The guys that claim otherwise or that Koreans are not top dog have obviously never visited or have a monetary reason to claim such.

You are also correct in saying that the only bars that offer the old school western experience and have western customers are the bars in central perimeter road.

But lets be honest, The girls in these bars like Thai Hi etc have got to be some of the oldest, ugliest bar girls not only in Angeles but in the whole of the Phills, some are down right scary.

Fully agree that it won't be long before Angeles is fully owned by the Koreans, sad but so so true.

Anyways enjoy your trip Fastpiston.

Must say that although I have had rejection and excuses not to barfine from many of the higher tier girls I have never had rejection from a girl I have already fucked.

As you state for a girl to settle for the lower paying blow job on a fat ugly old guy as apposed to going on a higher paid repeat barfine shows that there is a problem with her previous barfine.

Fully agree that bargirls will flock to where the greatest amount of money lies, if that is drinks only then they will go there, if its Koreans only then they will go there etc.

Fully disagree with the crowd that say girls will work in bars that pay much less salary, much less drinks commission, much less percentage of barfine instead of moving to the larger bars that offer more, after all most top bars are crying out for pretty slim girls even offering over the odds salaries, the only reason a bargirl accepts less is if she does not posses the looks and body to compete with the other girls in the higher paying bars or she has tried to get work in the higher paying bars and got laughed out of the door by her would be employers.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1940603]The K factor can be diluted quite a lot, through behavior. One thing the grils told me. They do not like being groped in the bars. A whitey next to me bought a single ladies drink, then non stop groped the girl for 30 minutes. She gets P50 commission on the drink. Nowadays girls reckon the groping from a stranger, is not worth suffering, for P50.

Generally speaking we are more aggressive, less SE Asian. They prefer the K's SE Asian approach which means less emphasis on sex itself. Initially anyway.

I think we will always be in demand cause we have a track record of marrying bar girls, taking them back to our home country where they experience financial stability, and raising a family. K's will not take a bar girl back to Mumma in South Korea. Filipinos are not held in high regard around SE Asia, that's for sure.

If your patient, not rough or rude, you can get the K type girls. They just need to get to know you first. "Treat them like a lady, and they will perform like a tramp" (ex Frank Sinatra?

Simply put, we have got a bad reputation, but that can be fixed with a patient approach. Get a reputation of being a nice guy in the bar and all is available to you. Patience.[/QUOTE]Sxxx,

While I agree with most of your post especially the groping of the girls, here is where some potential problems lie.

Demand,

Years back most bargirls had this wish of meeting a westerner and moving to his country for a better life, I find that the new breed of pinay bargirl is not looking for that, what she is looking for is big money in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of effort, the top girls in Angeles / manila are earning far more than the average retired westerner and are quite happy to continue earning large among their friends and in their own country.

Being patient,

The problem with this is that the top tear girls do not barfine full stop, any attractive slim young girls that will barfine are in extremely high demand as there is so few to go around and as the Koreans outnumber the westerners by very large numbers she does not have to give a westerner any attention or the time to show her he is a nice guy, she is too busy with the high paying low fucking Koreans who she prefers anyway.

Sorry to say that the attractive Angeles bargirls are in complete control, they choose if they will fuck at all and exactly who they will fuck, sorry but I for one am not begging any bargirl, solution, just go the online good girl route or the online semi route and the world is ones oyster.