Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1372400]Their safer sex practices appear to be superior to Thailand where BTW there have even been reports of bar girls still working while HIV positive.[/QUOTE]That would mainly be true of the street walkers!

[QUOTE=Bro2012;1372706]That would mainly be true of the street walkers![/QUOTE]And you personally have been involved with testing street workers?

There is threads on various forums on and off about safe sex, where the monger claims to always wrap up but in the next paragraph write how they love to DATY random 500 bath finds.

Is there any data / stats on nasties caught from DATY?

[QUOTE=Gorgon; 1372944]There is threads on various forums on and off about safe sex, where the monger claims to always wrap up but in the next paragraph write how they love to DATY random 500 bath finds.

Is there any data / stats on nasties caught from DATY?[/QUOTE]Do not understand " random 500 bath finds".

No data on HIV from DATY, due to no measurable risk.

Chlamydia is very easy to catch so that one is a small risk. However easily cured with Zythromax or equivalent.

Gonnoreah, I don't know and probably cannot spell it. Probably slight risk.

I have been doing DATY consistently for many years and not caught anything that way, but dick caught Chlamydia once probably from BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1372878]And you personally have been involved with testing street workers?[/QUOTE]They need my certificate before they can take their place under the plam trees.

Performing oral sex on a woman is the least likely way to pick up an STD of all possible sex acts outside of kissing. Some simply cannot be transmitted that way, others are unlikely to be.

This is what the foremost STD specialist in the USA says:

"Oral sex is least likely to lead to STD transmission and of the sorts of oral sex that might occur, cunnilingus is least likely to result in acquisition of infection. Cunnilingus is, as I said, probably the lowest risk insertive sexual contact a person can have. That however does not mean it is no risk. I have seen gonorrhea both acquired and transmitted through cunnilingus although only once or twice in my entire career."

And here's what Dr Handsfield, the guy who wrote the CDC's official guidelines and policies on STDs, says:

"Of course it isn't possible to perform cunnilingus without getting vaginal fluids in the mouth. But as suggested above, it wouldn't matter if you did. Saliva kills HIV. (This is also why performing oral sex carries little or no risk for the other partner.) Anybody who says sores or cuts in the mouth might make a difference is speaking on a purely theoretical basis. Maybe they would increase the risk, but since there are few if any documented transmissions (or even suspected transmissions) by cunnilingus, and because cuts or sores in the mouth are very common, it clearly doesn't make a big difference. Performing oral sex on women is also zero to very low risk for all other STDs in addition to HIV."

[QUOTE=Bro2012;1372706]That would mainly be true of the street walkers![/QUOTE]I recall a report re Stickman speaking about bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya working while HIV positive.

Also a newspaper article about a soi 5 street walking P4P gal who was infected but chose to continue to bareback customers.

Over the years studies have claimed that Thai sex workers whose place of work is the street have higher rates of HIV than venue based prostitutes. That is generally the case all over the globe regardless of the hooker's nationality.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1372614]Sorry Pearl. I don't know what you are reading, but 90%+ of the Phils in AC go Bareback. It is famous for that and that is why many mongers go there. Hell. 90% of the girls I meet in Thailand BB.

Also, I never believe anything about testing at these places.

But, you are right the HIV rate is said to be low. That is another one to question.[/QUOTE]I was just reading some official stats as reported in the press online. Maybe they were just made up out of thin air or its a conspiracy to lure in tourists.

IME the rate of BBFS in Thailand may be as high as you say, even though a recent study said 90 percent of Thai venue sex workers said they used a condom with their last customer. Although I never take ladies from bars, MPs, gogos, clubs or escort agencies.

PI sounds safer though I'd prefer my hooker to be tested for HIV more than once a year, if she is going hatless with many customers.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1373252]I recall a report re Stickman speaking about bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya working while HIV positive.

Also a newspaper article about a soi 5 street walking P4P gal who was infected but chose to continue to bareback customers.

Over the years studies have claimed that Thai sex workers whose place of work is the street have higher rates of HIV than venue based prostitutes. That is generally the case all over the globe regardless of the hooker's nationality.

I was just reading some official stats as reported in the press online. Maybe they were just made up out of thin air or its a conspiracy to lure in tourists.

IME the rate of BBFS in Thailand may be as high as you say, even though a recent study said 90 percent of Thai venue sex workers said they used a condom with their last customer. Although I never take ladies from bars, MPs, gogos, clubs or escort agencies.

PI sounds safer though I'd prefer my hooker to be tested for HIV more than once a year, if she is going hatless with many customers.[/QUOTE]What are the details of any of that? I guess most would think that generally it is true.

But, who were the test groups? LB SW"s, Black SW's, Thai, etc? Where were the tests done? You can go on and on with this.

Bottom line: Can you go the first time and your condom come off and you catch something-Yes.

Can you go BB 1000 times like me and catch nothing-Yes, if you are a lucky SOB!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1373252]IME the rate of BBFS in Thailand may be as high as you say, even though a recent study said 90 percent of Thai venue sex workers said they used a condom with their last customer. Although I never take ladies from bars, MPs, gogos, clubs or escort agencies.[/QUOTE]I can only speak from my personal experience. Eden Club girls always use condoms for FS. Same in the soapies I visited. On the other hand, agogo and beerbar girls barfined and taken to my room never seem to carry condoms. After a BBBJ and DATY when they are ready for FS, never ever one presented a condom to me, I always had to grab my own (I never do BBFS). Did they expect me to do that or was BBFS something they usually do? It was never discussed beforehand, neither asked, nor offered, so the mystery remains.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1373367]I can only speak from my personal experience. Eden Club girls always use condoms for FS. Same in the soapies I visited. On the other hand, agogo and beerbar girls barfined and taken to my room never seem to carry condoms. After a BBBJ and DATY when they are ready for FS, never ever one presented a condom to me, I always had to grab my own (I never do BBFS). Did they expect me to do that or was BBFS something they usually do? It was never discussed beforehand, neither asked, nor offered, so the mystery remains.[/QUOTE]I think you know the true answer.

I've read the reports and replies on safe sex practices with great interest. In addition to being a working girl monger, I am also a statistician and once taught the subject at the university level for many years. Some of the assertions I read in the forum are very troubling. It is sad the way people wrongly apply the gambler's fallacy to justify dangerous behavior. The gambler's (aka Monte Carlo fallacy) is the belief that if an event that differs from the expected occurs on repeated independent trials of some random process, future events in the opposite direction are more likely. Most people are aware of this fallacy and do not think for example that rolling double sixes on one toss will effect the likelihood of rolling double sixes on the next toss. After all these are independent events. However, it is incorrect to applying this to the likelihood of contracting a STD from repeatedly engaging in unprotected sex. Frequent practice of unprotected sex is an example of what a statistician call a [U]series of independent events[/U]. I will illustrate: if there are sixteen possible outcomes (sixteen cards with the numbers 1 through 16 written on them) , the probability of drawing the card with a "1" written on it is 1 in 16 or 6. 25%; however if one is allowed sixteen draws (with the card drawn on each draw being returned to the deck) the probability of drawing a "1" on one of these 16 draws is 1-15/16 raised to the 16th power which is 64. 39. While the odds of contracting a STD from one act of unprotected sex may be say one in a thousand, if one has unprotected sex a thousand times odds are YOU WILL contract a STD.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1373220]Cunnilingus is, as I said, probably the lowest risk insertive sexual contact a person can have. That however does not mean it is no risk. I have seen gonorrhea both acquired and transmitted through cunnilingus although only once or twice in my entire career."[/QUOTE]Chlamydia can be transmitted on unwashed fingers. I caught it once in the eye (tested positive to Chlamydia) , after rubbing my eye obviously. It would not doubt that can be caught during DATY quite easily too. Fingers tend to get used as well during DATY. Its not clear to me if Saliva can kill Chlamydia efficiently or not.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1373364]What are the details of any of that? I guess most would think that generally it is true.

But, who were the test groups? LB SW"s, Black SW's, Thai, etc? Where were the tests done? You can go on and on with this.

Bottom line: Can you go the first time and your condom come off and you catch something-Yes.

Can you go BB 1000 times like me and catch nothing-Yes, if you are a lucky SOB![/QUOTE]My newbie buddy came to Bangkok and caught Gonnor. Within 3 days and only barebacked two bar girls. I don't know if this was unlucky or bound to happen.

Consider also girls: free-lancers, bar girls, whatever, barebacking consistently for 10 to 20 years. A fair percentage of them will be HIV positive if haven't died already. Unluckily for them, its much easier to catch it from a guy than visa versa. Therefore percentage of guys catching HIV after barebacking for 10 to 20 years will be lot lower, but not insignificant (unless they take drugs or blood transfusions or do BB anal etc.).

Every Thai village is aware of Thai men and often their wives as well that died from Aids. Many Aids orphans around.

Best to stick to girls that insist on condoms for FS and anal. For oral, not much need for concern.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1373502]Chlamydia can be transmitted on unwashed fingers. I caught it once in the eye (tested positive to Chlamydia) , after rubbing my eye obviously. It would not doubt that can be caught during DATY quite easily too. Fingers tend to get used as well during DATY. Its not clear to me if Saliva can kill Chlamydia efficiently or not.[/QUOTE]Chlamydia conjunctivitis ("trachoma") exists ( 40, 000, 000 people have it at any given time) but usually not related in any way to sexual contact.

"Trachoma is caused by Chlamydia trachomatis and it is spread by direct contact with eye, nose, and throat secretions from affected individuals, or contact with fomites (inanimate objects that carry infectious agents) , such as towels and / or washcloths, that have had similar contact with these secretions. Flies can also be a route of mechanical transmission. Untreated, repeated trachoma infections result in entropion—a painful form of permanent blindness when the eyelids turn inward, causing the eyelashes to scratch the cornea. Children are the most susceptible to infection due to their tendency to easily get dirty, but the blinding effects or more severe symptoms are often not felt until adulthood.

"Blinding endemic trachoma occurs in areas with poor personal and family hygiene. Many factors are indirectly linked to the presence of trachoma including lack of water, absence of latrines or toilets, poverty in general, flies, close proximity to cattle, crowding, and so forth. However, the final common pathway seems to be the presence of dirty faces in children that facilitates the frequent exchange of infected ocular discharge from one child's face to another. Most transmission of trachoma occurs within the family."

Same bacteria, but much different method of transfer.

Again, the preeminent STD specialist in the USA writes:

"Chlamydial eye infections are vanishingly rare and are not a consequence of sexual activity. In some developing nations there is a chronic eye infection called TRACHOMA which is largely a disease of children and is spread by flies, not sex."

And further, he writes:

"Chlamydial eye infections (trachoma) are common childhood illnesses in developing nations but they are spread by flies landing on people’s eyes, not by sex. In adults the only chlamydial eye infections I am aware of, no matter what you find over the internet, are laboratory acquired infections due to lab errors."

There is no one more expert on the subject than Dr Ed Hook, so I tend to trust this.