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[QUOTE=Playsafe]Loso, you're just an awesome photographer, I must say.
Playsafe[/QUOTE]
I'm wondering what kind of lighting he's using. I think that's the key. It looks like it's coming from up high and a bit to the side, not dead on from the camera as you'd get with flash. It's obviouly not flash. It's also bright enough that the picture's not grainy, yet soft so there's no hard shadows.
Jacky33,
The hottest working girls I saw were in Gossip - only recommended if your dick is the size of my little pinky. The hottest bar girls were in the 49 bar – they had starfish written all over them. The only places I’d recommend to a white guy are Thien Loc and Cali.
Wendella,
I looked for motorcycle girls outside girl friendly hotels, particularly mine.
My pictures were taken with a flash. I just never point the flash directly at the girl. By bouncing the light off the ceiling, you obtain soft lighting and avoid ugly shadows.
Loso
[b][color=green][size=4]Vietnamese Visa[/size][/color][/b]
People from ASEAN countries, Korea, Japan & Scandinavia do not need a visa to visit Vietnam. All other nationalities need to obtain a visa prior to entering the country.
I got my Vietnamese visa from Lucky! Lucky! on Monivong Blvd in Phnom Penh. 1 day service costs 35 USD. Regular service (3 days) is a few dollars cheaper.
[b][color=green][size=4]Getting There & Away[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=blue][size=3]Bus from Phnom Penh[/size][/color][/b]
Sorya Transport Company (3 daily departures) and G.S.T. Express bus (1 daily trip) charge 10 USD and leave from the New Market in Phnom Penh. More upscale options are the Mekong Express Limousine Bus and Saraco Tourist (12 USD). All buses arrive in the Pham Ngu Lao backpacker area in Ho Chi Minh City.
I prefer to keep my plans flexible and bought my bus ticket on the day. Staying near the market, I walked to the Sorya office and bought a ticket for the 11.45 bus a couple of hours beforehand. If you turn up near the departure time, you may find the bus is fully booked!
The bus left around noon. After the ferry crossing at Neak Loung, the bus stopped for lunch in Svay Rieng. At the Bavet/Moc Bai border crossing, the passports are handled collectively. Your luggage is X-rayed on the Vietnamese side. The roads are much broader and better in Vietnam, with separate lanes for motorcycles and cars. :) The journey takes about 6 hours.
[b][color=blue][size=3]Bus to Phnom Penh[/size][/color][/b]
The aforementioned bus companies all have offices in the Pham Ngu Lao backpacker area, where all buses depart from.
Heading out around 8 AM, and doing a tour of the bus companies, the earliest departure with available seats was 1 PM. The 11.30 departure (Sapaco) was fully booked. The girl at the Mekong office was too busy!
I took the Sorya bus again, as it would drop me off right where I wanted to be. On the bus, they charge 25 USD for the Cambodian visa on arrival. You can save 5 USD by handling the paperwork yourself, as I did.
[b][color=green][size=4]Accommodation[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=blue][size=3]Minh Vy Hotel[/size][/color][/b]
Website
- [url]http://www.minhvyhotel.com[/url]
- Only in Vietnamese.
- The English button doesn’t work!
Address
- Le Hong Gam 75
- P. Nguyen Thai Binh
- District 1
The regular rooms are large, but windowless and cost 30 USD. City view rooms are equipped with a safe and cost 5 USD more. All rooms feature A/C, hot water (slow!), TV and minibar. The hotel keeps your passport during your entire stay, as all Vietnamese hotels do.
Hotel reception will propose to send girls to your room. The pimps outside will offer to call for girls. Mainly used as a ST hotel, motorcycle girls are constantly coming and going – ideal for pick-ups! Being just a short walk away from the Pham Ngu Lao backpacker area, the hotel location is pretty good.
A huge construction site across the street makes the hotel extremely noisy. Unless you want a wake-up call of pneumatic drills, don’t opt for a room with a city view! Actually, they may have finished laying the foundations by now. But judging from the picture on the billboard, the construction of this multistory building may take ages...
[b][color=blue][size=3]Girl Friendly Hotels in Pham Ngu Lao Area[/size][/color][/b]
Both hotels adjacent to the Minh Vy Hotel are also girl friendly:
- Hong Minh Hotel
- Thanthao Hotel
Another cluster of girl friendly hotels can be found on the corner of Bui Vien & Tran Hung Dao:
- Hoang Nhat Hotel
- Hong Kong Hotel
[b][color=blue][size=3]Girl Friendly Hotels in Hai Ba Trung Area[/size][/color][/b]
I didn’t check them out, but the girls told me there were plenty of girl friendly hotels near the Hai Ba Trung bars. Judging from the name, I guess the 69 Hotel would be girl friendly. :) Then again, it’s just the house number.
[b][color=green][size=4]Food[/size][/color][/b]
For Western food at economical prices, De Tham St. in the backpacker area is the place to go. My personal favorite is Sa Sa Cafe.
[b][color=green][size=4]Transportation[/size][/color][/b]
I walked everywhere and only took a taxi when I barfined a Hai Ba Trung bargirl. The taxi fare from Hai Ba Trung to Pham Ngu Lao should be around 15.000 VND. Beware of rigged meters, especially around the backpacker area. The short ride from De Tham to the Minh Vy hotel cost me 4 USD!
Motorcycle taxis (moto om) are a cheaper alternative. I used them all the time when I went sightseeing in 1999, but never took one this year. I ticked off every single tourist attraction mentioned in the Lonely Planet guide on my previous visit. I had no interest in sightseeing this time around.
[b][color=green][size=4]SIM Card[/size][/color][/b]
I didn’t need a SIM card while in Vietnam, so I never bought one. But I did take note of signs displaying the prices:
- 75.000 VND for Mobi
- 95.000 VND for Vina
[b][color=green][size=4]ATM Machines[/size][/color][/b]
The backpacker area is littered with ATM machines. Withdrawals from international cards incur a fee of 20.000 VND.
Loso
[b][color=green][size=4]timing[/size][/color][/b]
i was in ho chi minh city:
february 23 - february 28 (6 nights)
[b][color=green][size=4]statistics[/size][/color][/b]
during my 6-day stay in ho chi minh city, i had:
st: 6
lt: 2
girls: 8
[b][color=green][size=4]motorcycle girls[/size][/color][/b]
everywhere you go, you will be approached by touts/pimps. they take out their little book, make some calls and a few minutes later a selection of motorcycle girls will appear. by hanging out outside girl friendly hotels, you can cut out the middle man. you may also be approached directly by the girls.
the motorcycle girls are not freelancers. they work for a mamasan/papasan and won’t do anything without their express permission. some girls even called their mamasan to ask whether it was ok to take pictures!
the motorcycle girls always seem to be in a hurry and seldom provide good service. none of the motorcycle girls allowed french kissing. even though blowjobs are a vietnamese specialty, many of the girls had to be convinced to suck my dick.
the girls will often ask to be paid in advance. never agree to that! with prices from 300.000 – 400.000 vnd st, the motorcycle girls are an economical option. but they do expect a tip! some of them are quite pretty, but they’re only good for a quick release...
[b][color=green][size=4]hai ba trung bars[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=blue][size=3]general[/size][/color][/b]
when a foreigner walks past the bar, the girls suddenly appear on the sidewalk, drawing the punters in.
prices in the hai ba trung bars are pretty uniform. my drinks were 25.000 – 30.000 vnd. the girl’s drinks were always 50.000 vnd. the barfine is 300.000 vnd. the girl will set you back 60-100 usd lt.
when you barfine a girl, the doorman calls for a taxi. the girl gets in first. you join her later. the taxis use the meter and won’t overcharge you.
[b][color=blue][size=3]mamasans[/size][/color][/b]
in one bar, a girl warned me about the danger of catching aids when kissing a girl. where did she get that bullshit? in other bars, the girls were french kissing the guy as soon as he bought her a drink. who told them to do that?
i guess the mamasan is key. if the mamasan is a total c*nt, you can expect her girls to be total starfish. bars where the mamasan encourages her girls to provide good service is where you wanna be...
[b][color=blue][size=3]35 bar[/size][/color][/b]
address
- hai ba trung 35
about 10 girls were on duty, including a couple of pretty ones. a curly-haired beauty wanted a tip for a simple smile, but was quick to sit with some korean prick...
[b][color=blue][size=3]49 bar[/size][/color][/b]
address
- hai ba trung 49
the 49 bar had the best selection at the time of my visit. the girl i talked to (phuong) was a total babe, but had starfish written all over her...
[b][color=blue][size=3]51 bar[/size][/color][/b]
address
- hai ba trung 51
the 51 bar had a good selection, without any stunners. with a group of japanese in the house, the girls showed no interest in this white guy...
[b][color=blue][size=3]91 bar[/size][/color][/b]
address
- hai ba trung 91
the 91 bar had a large selection, with a few beauties. they were more interested in playing cards...
[b][color=blue][size=3]cafe 29 (u2 bar)[/size][/color][/b]
address
- dong khoi 29
formerly known as u2 bar, cafe 29’s main claim to fame is that the girls will give you a bbbjcim for 300.000 vnd. but the upstairs rooms better be dark, as the girls aren’t exactly beautiful.
[b][color=blue][size=3]cafe 49[/size][/color][/b]
address
- dong khoi 49
this small bar only had a handful of girls, none of which were attractive.
[b][color=blue][size=3]thien loc (corner bar)[/size][/color][/b]
location
- corner of mac thi buoi and hai ba trung
as soon as a customer buys a girl a drink, she’ll stick her tongue down his throat. i bet the mamasan makes a helluva lot more money than the cunts from the other bars. with a great selection, thien loc aka the corner bar is [u]the[/u] place to go in ho chi minh city!
thuy was both the top looker and the top performer in ho chi minh city. an absolute gem!
[b][color=blue][size=3]cali[/size][/color][/b]
location
- mac thi buoi
thien loc’s sister bar has a smaller selection, but the same business model. :) definitely worth a visit!
lieu was inexperienced, but sweet as honey and horny as hell. another real winner!
[b][color=blue][size=3]ny saigon[/size][/color][/b]
location
- dong du
no top beauties, but a decent enough selection. the mamasan was able to find me 1 girl who would allow french kissing. the kind of girl you wouldn’t fuck for free!
[b][color=green][size=4]pham ngu lao bars[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=blue][size=3]allez boo[/size][/color][/b]
closed!
[b][color=blue][size=3]go2 bar[/size][/color][/b]
address
- de tham 187
- corner of de tham & bui vien
this extremely popular corner bar features a few freelancers at night. backpackers hit on the girls, and are often surprised they carry a price tag. maybe those naive backpacker types think the girls like handsome young foreigners. go to thailand, dudes! vietnamese girls only like money!
btw, be sure to check your bill and make sure you get your change. the waiters are crooks!
[b][color=blue][size=3]guns ‘n roses[/size][/color][/b]
location
- pham ngu lao
- just around the corner from de tham
guns ‘n roses is supposed to be a late night place to meet freelancers, but it was deserted every time i walked past. guess i was never late enough...
[b][color=blue][size=3]li li bar[/size][/color][/b]
location
- bui vien
li li is a hai ba trung-style hostess bar. the selection was a notch below the better hai ba trung bars, but the good news is that my started french kissing me when i bought her a drink...
[b][color=blue][size=3]rivev’s[/size][/color][/b]
location
- bui vien
this small hostess bar only had 4 girls when i peeked inside. none of them were pretty.
[b][color=blue][size=3]other bars[/size][/color][/b]
some of the other bars on de tham st occasionally offer freelancers. i was approached by a few girls, but none of them tickled my fancy.
[b][color=green][size=4]discos[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=blue][size=3]apocalypse now[/size][/color][/b]
address
- thi sach 2b-2c
cover charge
- 100.000 vnd
- waved when i walked in after midnight.
apocalypse now is a ho chi minh city institution and still draws huge crowds. plenty of working girls, but demand is still way higher than supply. many of the girls are over the hill and the overall quality is a few notches lower than at the nearby hai ba trung bars. with similar prices, the bars are the better option...
btw, if you fancy some white meat, there are plenty of unattached western girls. :)
[b][color=blue][size=3]gossip[/size][/color][/b]
address
- mercure hotel
- tran hung dao 79
cover charge
- 120.000 vnd
- includes 1 drink.
on a saturday night, i spotted some real supermodels in gossip. they were part of the elite...
there was one table with taxi girls on the ground floor. their pimp approached me on the dance floor. plenty of working girls were hugging the railing on the 2nd floor. some of them were real stunners. but the beautiful ones didn’t wanna get with me. they only fuck little pricks! the girls who were willing to go with a white guy weren’t worth bothering with.
for light-skinned asians, i guess gossip is the place to go. white guys are likely to leave alone...
[b][color=blue][size=3]volcano[/size][/color][/b]
address
- cong quynh 148
- just around the corner from bui vien
cover charge
- none
being close to the backpacker area, the working girls mainly target white guys. if only they were more beautiful...
[b][color=green][size=4]final words[/size][/color][/b]
walking around ho chi minh city, you’ll spot tons of hot babes. vietnamese girls are among the prettiest girls in asia. sadly, things haven’t changed much over the last decade – high prices and lousy service still prevail. i blame the mamasans...
compared to neighboring cambodia, the quality is better, prices are way higher and the service is much worse. since the demise of k-11, the number of vietnamese girls in phnom penh is dwindling. more and more of the vietnamese mamasans are targeting the free-spending chinese punters. for vietnamese-lovers in cambodia, things are not looking good...
the vietnam forums are full of stories and warnings about thieving vietnamese girls. i heard plenty of tales of fellow travelers getting robbed. a prick on a motorcycle snatched my phone. vietnam. a nation of thieves!
loso
I was in HCM City a month or so back, and holy shit, I couldn't believe how many chicks would approach me on the street or at a break from a meeting. I was kinda confused. Were these chick working or not? They all seemed so genuine about the chit-chat, and I'd be getting all worked up, but too embarassed to ask for details. One gave me her number on a scrap of paper, but couldn't find it later. Since I couldn't take it anymore, I decided to get me a ho, and after walking for less than 3 minutes outside my hotel, a 8/10 hottie, about 23 to me so prolly 28 or so in HCM, on the back of a motorbike said 20 bucks US. I was so shocked, I wasn't sure what the catch was. I mean in San Fran you can get a cup of coffee, take the bus, buy a fucking burrito, go to the post office, get nother coffee and you're thru 20 bucks. I was really nervous, but said ok. I had to pay for the hotel, but that was so little I can't even remember. The details: big meaty tits on a petite frame, long silky jet-back hair, no so good Engrish, beatiful lightly bushed pussy, slender legs that I licked for about 10 minutes. Let off my steam from all the beauties that I talked to, and fucked absolutely silly. Was so happy I think my tip was about the same as the 2 or so hours we shagged. Caution: I think she followed me back to my hotel, 'cause she'd fucking appear outa thin air in front of the hotel with clients back in the lobby: 0. Had to work around that one. Then she spotted me later on on my day off and followed me for a while (but I wanted other action instead)
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You pay 10, 12USD for one way to HCMC from PP. (it is very cheap isnt it)
As part of "their service", they sign the customs paper (the white card) for you, by copying your signature on your passport. They dont think nothing beyond that; like when you are leaving Vietnam what happens if the immigration officer at the airport wont let you go because your signature on the passport and the customs card dont match. But dont think too much. It was too late when you handed your passport to the bus company (no choice) when you got on the bus.
These guys on the bus dont speak a word of English and dont understand the importance of your passport, and probably dont understand what the customs card is for.
I have done this 2, 3 times now, and never had a problem when I leave Vietnam, but it always makes me think about this what-if situation.
[QUOTE=Seoul5052]I was in HCM City a month or so back, and holy shit, I couldn't believe how many chicks would approach me on the street or at a break from a meeting. I was kinda confused. Were these chick working or not? They all seemed so genuine about the chit-chat, and I'd be getting all worked up, but too embarassed to ask for details. One gave me her number on a scrap of paper, but couldn't find it later. Since I couldn't take it anymore, I decided to get me a ho, and after walking for less than 3 minutes outside my hotel, a 8/10 hottie, about 23 to me so prolly 28 or so in HCM, on the back of a motorbike said 20 bucks US. I was so shocked, I wasn't sure what the catch was. I mean in San Fran you can get a cup of coffee, take the bus, buy a fucking burrito, go to the post office, get nother coffee and you're thru 20 bucks. I was really nervous, but said ok. I had to pay for the hotel, but that was so little I can't even remember. The details: big meaty tits on a petite frame, long silky jet-back hair, no so good Engrish, beatiful lightly bushed pussy, slender legs that I licked for about 10 minutes. Let off my steam from all the beauties that I talked to, and fucked absolutely silly. Was so happy I think my tip was about the same as the 2 or so hours we shagged. Caution: I think she followed me back to my hotel, 'cause she'd fucking appear outa thin air in front of the hotel with clients back in the lobby: 0. Had to work around that one. Then she spotted me later on on my day off and followed me for a while (but I wanted other action instead)
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To answer Seoul's question many of the young ladies around District 1 are not working girls as such but they are very keen for an opportunity to meet a foreigner, practise their english, and generally spend some some time in better surrounds than their own.
Their attitudes to sex vary considerably but most will put out eventually - especially if you take them out of town for a day or two away from prying eyes.
But you cannot ask them upfront - you have to play along and be nice and see what happens.
I usually carry miniature bottles of perfume from duty free as gifts and have a few on the go at any one time since it is a bit hit and miss. The problem then is time management - it can get a bit sticky.
[QUOTE=Seoul5052]I was in HCM City a month or so back, and holy shit, I couldn't believe how many chicks would approach me on the street or at a break from a meeting. I was kinda confused. Were these chick working or not? They all seemed so genuine about the chit-chat, and I'd be getting all worked up, but too embarassed to ask for details. One gave me her number on a scrap of paper, but couldn't find it later. Since I couldn't take it anymore, I decided to get me a ho, and after walking for less than 3 minutes outside my hotel, a 8/10 hottie, about 23 to me so prolly 28 or so in HCM, on the back of a motorbike said 20 bucks US. I was so shocked, I wasn't sure what the catch was. I mean in San Fran you can get a cup of coffee, take the bus, buy a fucking burrito, go to the post office, get nother coffee and you're thru 20 bucks. I was really nervous, but said ok. I had to pay for the hotel, but that was so little I can't even remember. The details: big meaty tits on a petite frame, long silky jet-back hair, no so good Engrish, beatiful lightly bushed pussy, slender legs that I licked for about 10 minutes. Let off my steam from all the beauties that I talked to, and fucked absolutely silly. Was so happy I think my tip was about the same as the 2 or so hours we shagged. Caution: I think she followed me back to my hotel, 'cause she'd fucking appear outa thin air in front of the hotel with clients back in the lobby: 0. Had to work around that one. Then she spotted me later on on my day off and followed me for a while (but I wanted other action instead)
Seoul what area would this be? I will be in Ho Chi Minh for work soon and wouldnt mind hanging out in the same area as you. Hopefully I can be approached by hotties also.
Sudoz which area would be the easiest place to be approached by girls? Near the biggest hotels? I would be interested in knowing where to hang out at. Thanks
[QUOTE=Need More Gas]You pay 10, 12USD for one way to HCMC from PP. (it is very cheap isnt it)[/QUOTE]Gas or anyone. Does this travel plan so OK to you. Would you change it up in anyway.
Fly one way from BKK to Siem Reip - do Angor Wat
Bus from Siem Reip to Phenon Phen - do up PP
Bus from PP to HCMC - do up Saigon
Fly one way back to BKK
I have round trip ticket to BKK from the States.
[QUOTE=Jacky33]Sudoz which area would be the easiest place to be approached by girls? Near the biggest hotels? I would be interested in knowing where to hang out at. Thanks[/QUOTE]
I find the area around Dong Khoi and the sidestreets most fruitful. There are the girls in the shops, the massage promotion gals and the girls working in various businesses. Just taking coffee in the street at around 9 am can be worthwhile.
They will be shy and will not approach you. Just smile and say good morning and see what responses you get.
Jack,
I satyed at the New World hotel, and as far as I could tell there weren't that many other hotels around. There are a ton of people walking around this area (dunno what it's called) and some cafes where people actually sit down and read, unlike other areas in Asia. There was one I used to go to after work on a traffic circle near my hotel, and the girls would just walk up to me while I'd be sipping my coffee and ask where I'm from, what I do, why I'm in Vietnam, what I'm reading. Ask them what they're reading and they can't stop talking (while I'm dreaming about licking their pussies). The motorbike guys would see this and when I'd head back to the hotel to get ready for work in the morning, the motor guys would have their bitches lined up pleading for me to take one. Wasn't too comfy with this approach since I'm trying to avoid trouble and keep my job. There are also a couple of parks in the area where the lovelies be in large supply at their early evening walking time in deliciously short skirts. Same thing, they just walk up to you. I did notice, that I got a lot more attention when I wouldn't change from work clothes to t-shirt, shorts and sandles, so you might want to keep your business clothes on (not kidding). Nearby there is a gritty backpacker/bar area with some pretty rough and skanky hos working the streets in front of the bars. I reckon the free stuff in the cafes is much better. I need to arrange a vacation time to follow up on this womderful city.
[quote]Seoul what area would this be? I will be in Ho Chi Minh for work soon and wouldn't mind hanging out in the same area as you. Hopefully I can be approached by hotties also. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for your info Seoul. Seems like a great way to pick up regular girls.
[QUOTE=Seoul5052]Jack,
I satyed at the New World hotel, and as far as I could tell there weren't that many other hotels around. There are a ton of people walking around this area (dunno what it's called) and some cafes where people actually sit down and read, unlike other areas in Asia. There was one I used to go to after work on a traffic circle near my hotel, and the girls would just walk up to me while I'd be sipping my coffee and ask where I'm from, what I do, why I'm in Vietnam, what I'm reading. Ask them what they're reading and they can't stop talking (while I'm dreaming about licking their pussies). The motorbike guys would see this and when I'd head back to the hotel to get ready for work in the morning, the motor guys would have their bitches lined up pleading for me to take one. Wasn't too comfy with this approach since I'm trying to avoid trouble and keep my job. There are also a couple of parks in the area where the lovelies be in large supply at their early evening walking time in deliciously short skirts. Same thing, they just walk up to you. I did notice, that I got a lot more attention when I wouldn't change from work clothes to t-shirt, shorts and sandles, so you might want to keep your business clothes on (not kidding). Nearby there is a gritty backpacker/bar area with some pretty rough and skanky hos working the streets in front of the bars. I reckon the free stuff in the cafes is much better. I need to arrange a vacation time to follow up on this womderful city.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steve 99]Gas or anyone. Does this travel plan so OK to you. Would you change it up in anyway.
Fly one way from BKK to Siem Reip - do Angor Wat
Bus from Siem Reip to Phenon Phen - do up PP
Bus from PP to HCMC - do up Saigon
Fly one way back to BKK
I have round trip ticket to BKK from the States.[/QUOTE]Seems ok to me.
For Angor Wat, you need 2, 3 days to appreciate the place. I had only one day, which was not enough. It is a huge place, so you'd better to research the place first so as not to miss the must-see attractions. SR->PP>HCMC is a long way on a bus. You need to stop in PP for a night or so. In Saigon, for a short stay, your "activity" will be very limited, unlike BKK. For a longer stay like 3, 6 months onwards, there seems to be "unlimited access" to pussies. Be careful though, they would want you to see their parent/relatives after a few dates. I think meeting them probably implies something.
What is the average tip you guys usually give when getting a massage, hairwash, facial, and handjob respectively in Saigon?
I give 200k for a massage I enjoy and 100k for an ok massage. Hairwash and facials i usually give 50k and handjobs usually atleast 200k. Is that enough in your opinion? After talking to some girls they say 200k is normal for a regular one hour massage, 100k for hairwash and facials, and 200k minimum for a handjob. I dont want to be a cheap charlie or get ripped off either so I would like your opinions. Thanks.