FKK Palace - Frankfurt

Hi!

I'm contemplating my first trip to palace next Wednesday evening. The only problem is that I can't get there until late. About 1am (although remember that Thursday next week after is a holiday).

I've read that it's less busy after 1ish, but does that mean less guys, or less girls, or both? What I'm worried about I suppose is that all the best girls get tired out and leave earlier. I'm a bit of a stickler for quality so I'm not so keen to get there after all the best ones have left.

I have to head south the day after so my only other option would be a few hours at flamingo island late on Thursday afternoon (say 4 to7).

What d'you reckon?

[QUOTE=Chicafan]
I am confused. In your experience do most women likely expect to be paid if you come on their tits or not? If it's something you do not do because they will charge extra then it sounds like it is considered normal to pay for.[/QUOTE]


The practice regarding "Körperbesamung" or coming on a gal's body was, in the good ole' days, not something that was considered a chargeable extra in most places. That is, provided one did not ejaculate in a girl's face, as this was/is considered close enough to CIM for jazz.

Those days seem to be over in many places and the practice varies from club to club and from girl to girl. Given that the sharks at Palace consider breathing during a session a 50 EUR extra, one can safely assume that the average worker at Palace will soak her mark for that service. Quite a few girls at Oase and World will do this and not considered it a payable extra, but these days one cannot assume this going in.

One other thing to note; a lesbo show in the context of a threesome does have extra costs attached to it. At GT for example, a 30 minute threesome of the non-lesbo variety will cost a Gent 100 EUR (50 for each girl). That same session with Lesbo activity will cost 150 (75 for each girl). I have not done a threesome at any of the Frankfurt clubs since the days when M & M reigned supreme, but even back then I was informed that lesbo was extra.

Also, I concur that HB is right when he says that gals soak Johns at World, Oase and GT. However I would bet dollars to donuts that more "extras misunderstandings" take place at Palace in one week than all of the aforementioned clubs combined. The post from the Roemerforum is hilariously funny, yet tragically apt.

Cheers,

Dedalus

First I would like to thank everybody in the Forum for letting me know and experience the FKK world. I started my FKK career last Sunday 6 May at 2pm and as soon as I entered the Palace, I knew everything going around and I was very confident after following the forum for the last few months!

Everything was going reasonably fine for a newbie like me who don't have much of mongering experience. I had my first session with Irina from Venzuela and I was apporached by plenty of girls who many of them french kissed and fondled and I played with them.

After my first session, I went to Kino to rest a while. I was approached by a petite girl from Poland who asked to be paid after I told her that I am resting. I managed to reject that. 2 minutes later, a French-Morrocan girl sat beside me and starting the same thing and she insisted that we go to management and said that we kissed and I should have told her earlier that I don't need a session and that nothing here is free. I tried explaining to management that I told the girl several times that I am resting, but managemnet just sided with the girl. I Had to pay the E25 and continue the night.

So I guess that girls are applying this attack policy on non regular customers and we have to take action.

I then had another session with a very beuatiful Myriam from Romania, but service was rushed. I saw Linda and spotted her and will try her next time.

I will be heading again on Friday night and we will see what happens.

I owe you guys some reports for my first and second visit.

Later

[QUOTE=Alex P Keaton]
Laura. A thin, tan Romanian with longish blonde hair, B-cups, and a slightly hooked nose. She is one of the Romanians who give Romanians their bad reputation: wanting to upsell and wanting to hurry the session. Her BJ was mostly a HJ with teeth.[/QUOTE]

After being fleeced by Laura over the weekend, I found several reports on her, all bad. My experience was similar to Alex P Keaton's.
She seemed friendly enough and was a great French kisser outside the room. The first thing she did in the room was give a 5 second BJ. Yes, 5 seconds. Looking back on the situation, I think she did this so she could demand payment if I were to walk out once she started her spiel. First she asked if I wanted to stay an hour, then if I wanted CIM, then if I wanted anal. Then she asked again, and then again. Once she accepted that I wasn't going to agree to any extras, she put on a condom. On literally the second stroke, she starts moaning. Loud. Very loud. Bad porno loud. Suffice to say, there won't be a repeat from me but the best was yet to come. As we went to the locker to get the money, she told me with a straight face, 30 minutes is 100 Euros. Several hours later, after Yulia had restored my faith in womankind, Laura walked up to me and re-introduced herself. She asked me my name. I told her it hadn't changed recently. She gave me a curious look and went off looking for her next victim.

In several years, I have had 2 occasions to talk to management. Neither time had they sided against me. It sounded like here: a girl refusing to take no and then insisting on getting paid.

I have had several other girls SUGGEST that it be taken to management, and I simply refused and continued resting and then they went away.

It doesn't sound good if management is now siding with the girl with no cause. Especially since it very much sounds like the "usual suspects." Palace's star continues to fade.

Mark

[QUOTE=Chicafan]If it's something you do not do because they will charge extra then it sounds like it is considered normal to pay for.[/QUOTE]


Quite easy: Officially you will not find it in the "extra-list" of the club. But some girls try to sell it as an extra, which I do not discuss with them. I do ask them in advance and if they do want extra money, I will not give them my come.

Hessen Bub

[QUOTE=Fats]After being fleeced by Laura over the weekend, I found several reports on her, all bad. [/QUOTE]

Ups. I've had two great sessions with Laura. Both one hour, CIM, 150 EUR, standard pricing. Her blow-job is fantastic, she likes to kiss (deep french kissing), love to be licked and I bet she came, at least she tasted and reacted like it.

[QUOTE=Rexon]I tried explaining to management that I told the girl several times that I am resting, but managemnet just sided with the girl. I Had to pay the E25 and continue the night.[/QUOTE]

No girl ever tried that on me and I would never have paid. Why should I? If girls get to know that this works, they will repeat doing it. Best thing to do, if a girl tries this on you: Tell her to leave and that you will not go with her immediatly.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]One other thing to note; a lesbo show in the context of a threesome does have extra costs attached to it. At GT for example, a 30 minute threesome of the non-lesbo variety will cost a Gent 100 EUR (50 for each girl). That same session with Lesbo activity will cost 150 (75 for each girl). I have not done a threesome at any of the Frankfurt clubs since the days when M & M reigned supreme, but even back then I was informed that lesbo was extra.[/QUOTE]

Lesbo show is a classic, it was at Atlantis already. I tell the girls in advance that I will not pay for their fun, that they can do with each other what they like, but I will pay 50 EUR each with no extras involved. Period. And I've had some quite good threesomes in the last months, at Oase, Palace, World.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]However I would bet dollars to donuts that more "extras misunderstandings" take place at Palace in one week than all of the aforementioned clubs combined. The post from the Roemerforum is hilariously funny, yet tragically apt.[/QUOTE]

I do not share that opinion. In Roemerforum there is a very hostile mood against Palace, which I can't share. Palace has the best line-up of girls, at least for my "Beuteschema".

Hessen Bub

[quote=Dave Jamsis]One thing I noticed is that some of the more beautiful woman (10’s or higher on a scale of 1-10) were mostly alone, such as Olympia, not interacting much with potential clients. I now understand completely that these girls probably don’t give good service, as they have an arrogant attitude and no not make much effort of soliciting men for rooms.[/quote]
I can't speak for Olympia specifically but women such as these are called Optikficks: they look great but because of their service-orientation (or lack of it), they aren't booked much.

Nice to look at but no substance.

Sit, watch and observe first before pouncing. If she's stunning, very available but hardly booked its because her services aren't that good.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]
I do not share that opinion. In Roemerforum there is a very hostile mood against Palace, which I can't share. Palace has the best line-up of girls, at least for my "Beuteschema".

Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]


I agree with Hessen Bub, and I also do NOT share Dedalus' opinion. But as Dedalus has freely admitted to me, he is distinctly anti-Palace and, like the RF guys, there is sometimes a bit of exageration when slagging off this club. Many RF (i.e. German guys) are so irate that Palace raised their Eintritt Preis by a whopping 10E. Personally I think the scams at Palace could happen just as easily as at any club, it just depends on how YOU select and how YOU behave in these situations. Granted there may be some problems with the Palace management (or lack thereof) siding with girls over newbie guests, but I still think the line-up at Palace is generally tops. And if you are experienced and know your way around the FKK landscape and rules book, then you can do very well at Palace, just like in any other club.

So Dedalus, don't slag off the place too much...hey, maybe you want to meet me there during my next visit? I'll pay your extra tenner to get in, okay? Love to introduce you to some of the girls there...

Ortos

[QUOTE=Rexon]..... and I was apporached by plenty of girls who many of them french kissed and fondled and I played with them.[/QUOTE]In my experience so far in my life, it always has taken two persons to kiss! You were involved in this "french kissing" kissing too? :-)

My impression is, that you completely forgot where you were! Palace is a brothel, an expensive playground for men! And the working place for many women. For sure all the girls are working there only to earn money.

Especially for you as a newbie to the FKK-Club scene, please wake up!
As long, as the girls are not familiar with you for sure almost nothing will be for free! Over time this may change, because when you come to the place more often or because you go to the room several times with the same women.

Why should they do it, give you something more than words, smiles, gentle body contact or a little kiss for free? It's business, business, business!

If you want to kiss intensively (french kissing), get a blow job or fuck in a PaySex environment, be prepared to pay for it, this belongs to the girls core business!

[QUOTE=Rexon]... I was approached by a petite girl from Poland who asked to be paid after I told her that I am resting.[/QUOTE] You describe yourself as a victim (of her game). I don't believe you! I'm pretty sure you forgot to mention something important here...!

[QUOTE=Rexon]2 minutes later, a French-Morrocan girl sat beside me and starting the same thing and she insisted that we go to management and said that we kissed and I should have told her earlier that I don't need a session and that nothing here is free. I tried explaining to management that I told the girl several times that I am resting, but managemnet just sided with the girl. I Had to pay the E25 and continue the night.[/QUOTE]for me it sounds as if YOU started the same thing again boy...
If you want to rest, [B]rest[/B], don't kiss or try to disturb women at work!

If you want to play with women without wanting to pay anything, play your games outside, o.k.
But why do it in a brothel? You want to find out, if you're considered by *****s to be a smart guy? You need this?
Because you visited them at their working p(a)lace, for sure you will end up entangled in "their game" and you have to pay!

IMHO, in [B]your[/B] case the management took a wise decision.
You poor victim you! :-)

[QUOTE=Ortos]...... Many RF (i.e. German guys) are so irate that Palace raised their Eintritt Preis by a whopping 10E. .......
So Dedalus, don't slag off the place too much...hey, maybe you want to meet me there during my next visit? I'll pay your extra tenner to get in, okay? Love to introduce you to some of the girls there...[/QUOTE]In the RF, they are not talking about 10 Euro difference only.

E.g., compared to FKK-World for the frequent club visitor it is a difference between 23 to 31 Euro (price reduced "VIP-cards" for 5 or 10 visits, "3 for 2" days)!

IMHO something that many RF people don't like about the Palace (and Oase) is: no official bonus system at all for frequent customers. And on top of this came the 10 Euro increase for the Palace gate since beginning of 2007. This has nothing to do with the (quality of the) girls who work there!

People who visit Frankurt once for fairs/exhibitions or only 2 or 3 times alltogether in one year don't mind this 10 Euro difference.

There are many guys who consider themselves frequent visitors and visit FKK-clubs up to more than a hundred times a year!

Two women I know quite well working at Palace told me, for them and many other women working there it is much more important to build up/have a good business relationsship with frequent clients ("Stammkunden"). Both women cannot understand that there is so much talk in the internet about bad habits of "girls in Palace". Quite a few women working there are proud - and well known - to offer a good service.

I can see why some people don't like Palace and what feels like attitude or a rip off atmosphere. Along with that the club itself can be dark and maybe a little depressing. If you have been to a place like GT or PHG and paide 50E for all the beer, good coffee and whatever else you like you realize it's very difficult to get your money's worth out of Palace. At GT or PHG the help rushes to give you service. At Palace the dipchits behind the bar act like they don't see your or could care less.

Like I have said before, if I am management I side with the girls if it's a tie because they are there every night paying 75E. I am still a little surprised at the idea that there are high quality, attractive girls on the waiting list considering how lame quite a few of the girls there are.

Let me take this moment to mention a Dominican named [b]Patricia[/b]. She calls herself a Panamanian but I doubt it. She is AWFUL. I could not stand the session and wanted to tell her how bad she was. If I see her again and she approaches me I will. I don't like to be mean but when a girl is intentionally bad it's fair game.

I have had situations with girls at both GT and PHG trying to scam extra money from me. It happens everywhere.

Ok, having said all that, I really like Palace. I get bored in there sometimes because it's all indoor and I think the bar is pretty lame in what it offers. There's just not much to do or no change of environments inside. But somehow I always leave(so far) after a couple nights thinking it's some of the best, even if brief, sex I've ever had and the girls stick in my mind as being incredibly sexy. Yup, I've had a couple mediocre or poor sessions there. But I've had them at World, PHG and GT too.


I think I learned a little trick last time. It seems like common sense now but if they ask how much time I want I will say it's up to them and how much I like being with them. I've always tried to make it clear that I want a good 30 minute session. I think some agree but could care less. I'll still manage the session to 30 minutes usually but at least they will likely be working instead of shutting down 20 minutes into it. That's what Patricia did and she was an awful 30 minutes. They realize you won't likely repeat anyway so they won't work hard for the 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Ortos]

So Dedalus, don't slag off the place too much...hey, maybe you want to meet me there during my next visit? I'll pay your extra tenner to get in, okay? Love to introduce you to some of the girls there...

Ortos[/QUOTE]

Kind offer, my friend. But I prefer to spend my time chatting up the ladies, rather then having to argue with the managemnet and sharks over poor business practices.

I looked in on the place not long ago. With all due respect to HB and yourself, (both respected Gents, with valuable opinions) I stand by my assessment of the joint. And I think that the Roemers are NOT simply being bitchy Germans. Quality and service is off. The place ain't what it use to be and there does seem to be a domineering shark and scam mentality in most of the girls. Factor in management's "Wir haben kein Einfluss." mentality and I've got no use for the place. Best wishes to those of you who are patient enough to look for a diamond in the VERY rough.

BTW, Ortos; I am hoping that one of these days you will be able to accept my statement that it is NOT about the extra 10 fish on the entrance fee. However it has everything to do with finding the best line-up for my hard earned Euro.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Let me take this moment to mention a Dominican named [b]Patricia[/b]. She calls herself a Panamanian but I doubt it. She is AWFUL. I could not stand the session and wanted to tell her how bad she was. If I see her again and she approaches me I will. I don't like to be mean but when a girl is intentionally bad it's fair game.

Interesting I know that she get's a lot of bad reports. I had a pretty good session with her a year back, ended up taking her number and saw her a few times outside Palace for free. Wasn't exactly girlfriend and boyfriend but became a little like that so I ended it (plus to be honest the sex was ok but nothing special). Have seen her every time I've been back to Palace (but no sessions) which is kind of awkward but I guess an occupational hazard. The weirdest thing however is that I ended up having a session with her sister who also works there from time to time. I didn't realize at the time but saw a very cute Dominica who seemed kind of familiar. I couldn't place her face but as she seemed to recognise me I went to talk to her and ended up having a session. It was only afterwards when she started dropping hints about Lisa that it dawned on me that I recognised her from a photo Lisa had shown me. This was later confirmed to me by Lisa. She didn't seem to mind as I guess it's really only about money at the end of the day in the Palace. Just goes to show that the FKK's can be a strange and parallel universe.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]Kind offer, my friend. But I prefer to spend my time chatting up the ladies, rather then having to argue with the managemnet and sharks over poor business practices.

I looked in on the place not long ago. With all due respect to HB and yourself, (both respected Gents, with valuable opinions) I stand by my assessment of the joint. And I think that the Roemers are NOT simply being bitchy Germans. Quality and service is off. The place ain't what it use to be and there does seem to be a domineering shark and scam mentality in most of the girls. Factor in management's "Wir haben kein Einfluss." mentality and I've got no use for the place. Best wishes to those of you who are patient enough to look for a diamond in the VERY rough.

BTW, Ortos; I am hoping that one of these days you will be able to accept my statement that it is NOT about the extra 10 fish on the entrance fee. However it has everything to do with finding the best line-up for my hard earned Euro.

Cheers,

Dedalus[/QUOTE]


Well, dear friend, this is the only time I can remember where you actually stated the 10E increase was NOT a factor in your distinctly hostile (and possibly exagerated) stance against Palace. So one of those days has just arrived. If you say, the 10E is suddenly a non-factor, well, a salute, Don Corleone... and your last sentence about "finding the best line-up" for the Euro is one of the reasons I frequent Palace over other clubs...although I would add: your own recent comments about BHH has me quite inclined to revisit my favourite old club soon...

Oh and I highly doubt an experienced monger like you, Dedalus, would spend more time arguing at the front desk than he would flirting with the girls...you and many others would be able to pick out the bad apples from this barrel, just like all the other clubs. Each place has it's pluses and minus, but for me, Palaces +s out its negatives...I love this club! But, I admit, that all the RF guys might be "right" and I and a few other "eccentrics" might be way out on a limb...

Now Nick the G makes some good points about the lack of the bonus system, etc., and he does show the local perspective. But that is just what it is: a view from the local fishbowl. Now I and alot of other guys here, may not visit Palace or any other FKK more than 100x per annum. However I probably visit Palace, say, 20-odd times a year (only!!??). Now that is frequent enough to be noticed as a demi-Stamgast, ja? We still invest enough time and Eintritt Euros to see the place from a semi-local perspective too. And still for all it's flaws, I feel distinctly positive about Palace, not hostile towards it. I love this place...and all FKKs for that matter. Just love some more than others...at different times

Ortos