Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2676107]Depends how important the "tourism" part of your trip is and what you want to do in the non mongering time. Of the 3 BKK is the most interesting from a general tourism perspective and AC is the least. BKK has temples, culture, great dining, clubs etc. AC is a dilapidated third world shit hole with nothing to do outside fucking and drinking. Its ok for 3-4 days at most. PP is not quite as desolate as AC but not as good as BKK. For mongering if you want friendly English speaking girls with BBFS the norm, then its hard to beat AC, even with the higher prices and lower mileage in bars than the good old days. BKK has a large selection of pretty girls, but feels more commercial. Haven't played in PP so can't compare but seems again half way between AC and BKK.[/QUOTE]Don't forget HCM and Vietnam. My buddy another ISGer is there now. I think most of you know already who it is by his pics. He says they have Gogo dancers everywhere now and he was able to smash one the other night. He says he's having time of his life at very cheap prices 60% less than Pre-Covid. 1,000,000 2 hours of GFE from very very hot girls with the prettiest nipples. The online game is even better than Fiwfans for him. Best food in the world. He also apologizes that his LINE contacts all got lost because his Thai number was ported out and not backed up when he went to Vietnam. Those who need to contact him, already know who and how. He hopes to see some of us there soon because it's all open. Long live the Prince!

[QUOTE=RacShack;2676593]Don't forget HCM and Vietnam. My buddy another ISGer is there now. I think most of you know already who it is by his pics. He says they have Gogo dancers everywhere now and he was able to smash one the other night. He says he's having time of his life at very cheap prices 60% less than Pre-Covid. 1,000,000 2 hours of GFE from very very hot girls with the prettiest nipples. The online game is even better than Fiwfans for him. Best food in the world. He also apologizes that his LINE contacts all got lost because his Thai number was ported out and not backed up when he went to Vietnam. Those who need to contact him, already know who and how. He hopes to see some of us there soon because it's all open. Long live the Prince![/QUOTE]What a perfect timing for your reply, thank you. Just today I was going to ask about HCM Vietnam because in the original comparison between BKK, PP and AC, I somehow forgot to add HCM, which was also in my original list of destinations. How is the scene in HCM, is it restricted to a small mongering hub or is it big like BKK. Is there a lot of bars / places to pick girls and is the nightlife good. It sure looks good from RTFF of HCM, but how would you compare it to BKK. Thanks a lot for your reply!

I am a little confused on how one does this. The SHA+ hotels must be prepaid along with the PCR test. And, we must sign up for a Thai pass.

Is Agoda the best way to do this (in other words, is there one stop shopping)?

I realize that the rules changed a few days ago (no pre trip test needed, but still need the test upon arrival). But the rules are still complicated.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2678374]I am a little confused on how one does this. The SHA+ hotels must be prepaid along with the PCR test. And, we must sign up for a Thai pass.

Is Agoda the best way to do this (in other words, is there one stop shopping)?

I realize that the rules changed a few days ago (no pre trip test needed, but still need the test upon arrival). But the rules are still complicated.[/QUOTE]It's probably best to book directly with the hotel or else use Agoda and ensure that you search for SHA plus hotels. I booked directly with Holiday Inn for last December.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2678374]I am a little confused on how one does this. The SHA+ hotels must be prepaid along with the PCR test. And, we must sign up for a Thai pass.

Is Agoda the best way to do this (in other words, is there one stop shopping)?

I realize that the rules changed a few days ago (no pre trip test needed, but still need the test upon arrival). But the rules are still complicated.[/QUOTE]This thread had much discussion on the topic about 3 months ago, suggest you read there for background. Changes of which I'm aware are small: (1) The day 5 RT-PCR test is replaced with day 5 antigen test. (2) Starting April 1, you no longer need the pre-travel RT-PCR test.

Your day 1 SHA hotel package should include secure transportation from airport, RT-PCR test and the room. Be sure either food or room service is available. Since this is a special hotel package, I recommend booking directly with the hotel and skip sites like [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] and [URL]Hotels.com[/URL].

My hotel allowed me to partake in the breakfast buffet even though my result wasn't in yet. I don't think many of these hotels are very strict about enforcing the rules. Not that I suggest anyone break them and go out before the result comes in.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2678594]This thread had much discussion on the topic about 3 months ago, suggest you read there for background. Changes of which I'm aware are small: (1) The day 5 RT-PCR test is replaced with day 5 antigen test. (2) Starting April 1, you no longer need the pre-travel RT-PCR test.

Your day 1 SHA hotel package should include secure transportation from airport, RT-PCR test and the room. Be sure either food or room service is available. Since this is a special hotel package, I recommend booking directly with the hotel and skip sites like [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] and [URL]Hotels.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger234;2676862]What a perfect timing for your reply, thank you. Just today I was going to ask about HCM Vietnam because in the original comparison between BKK, PP and AC, I somehow forgot to add HCM, which was also in my original list of destinations. How is the scene in HCM, is it restricted to a small mongering hub or is it big like BKK. Is there a lot of bars / places to pick girls and is the nightlife good. It sure looks good from RTFF of HCM, but how would you compare it to BKK. Thanks a lot for your reply![/QUOTE]

I have spent lots of time in all of the above over the past decade (500+ girls) By far, Jakarta is the best for me. Tons of girls, lots of free lancers. Low prices ($35-$55 for FS) The city doesn't have a lot of tourism options, it but certainly good for 3-5 days if you stay near one of the shopping malls (Plaza Indonesia is the best). Easy to bring girls back to the hotels with you so pick a nice 4-5 star with a swimming pool. Indo women are generally pretty flexible, not arrogant, can be very pretty, and BB is often the rule. Fewer MILFs than other places. Lots of venue options.

Saigon was very good for a while for me, but by 2018, it seemed difficult to find young attractive girls. I had a network of a few mamasan who could deliver great girls. Occasionally possible to find an attractive girl in more recent times, but I never found a club or bar that had take-out girls. I don't think that's common/legal in Vietnam. Sometimes you can work the online forums or WeChat, but often I found that a horrible waste of time with lots of bait-n-switch. I much prefer a city that has dedicated venues where you can see, meet, and pick your girl. There are many massage options that usually deliver a happy ending, but I have tried multiple times to convert those in to FS and rarely succeeded. That said, of all the locations, Vietnam is the best for food and tourism. In Saigon or Hanoi, you can have some real fun at the KTVs if you know your way around and have a local friend, and don't mind spending money (half a dozen, half-naked or fully-naked 18-22 yr beautiful girls singing and dancing, lots of groping. No sex in the KTV, but most will go home with you for USD 100-150). I would say, for me, very high chance of a strike out in Saigon if I want FS with attractive non-MILF under 24 and I'm not doing the KTV route.

AC is exactly as described, a shithole of rundown bars and a ton of friendly MILFs. If you are ok with some baby damage and want nonstop maximum drinking and cheap sex with basic food and no ambiance, it's an awesome choice. Pinoys are really sweet, kind, women and they all speak more English than the other locations. But after three visits, I won't go back.

PP. Haven't been in 4 years, but the bars were pretty good back then. I like the city a lot. Good food, nice attractions. A Khmer girl often is fairly docile and sweet, like a lot of Buddhists. If I didn't love Jakarta so much, I would re-visit, maybe I should put it on the list for 2022.

BKK. The most "sex-forward" of places, lots of options and very unlikely to not find what you are after. Good food. Nice city to visit, lots of tourism options. Personally, I would try Phuket these days, but have never mongered there, no cant add an informed opinion.

Manila. You didn't put it on your list, but I would rank it above AC as more likely to find single girls, not only MILFs.

Personal ranking:

Jakarta: 9/10.

BKK: 8/10.

PP (circa 2018): 7/10.

HCMC: 6/10.

AC: 5/10.

The obvious choice is to go to two or three cities over 2 to 3 weeks if you have the time. The places are all within a few hours of each other.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2678630]Personal ranking:

Jakarta: 9/10.

BKK: 8/10.

PP (circa 2018): 7/10.

HCMC: 6/10.

AC: 5/10..[/QUOTE]It's an interesting debate. Personally I would rank Jakarta much lower. Yes it is very cheap and has some exceptionally pretty young girls in places like Classic, Travel, Pen J, Stadium etc, but it's a bang and go type place with far fewer long-time opportunities, the girls speak little English and I struggled to either find the girlfriend experience (a lot of girls don't kiss) or the pornstar experience (a lot of girls won't give oral). It's a great place to have cheap quickies with gorgeous girls but the sex cannot compare to other places in Asia in my opinion.

Your assessment of Angeles massively differs from my experience too. I found on multiple visits there were lots of young, pretty girls, available for long-time at about 60% of the price you'd pay in Thailand. All the girls speak excellent English and Filipinas are by far the most carnal girls I've encountered in Asia. In my opinion, Angeles is the only place that can rival Pattaya or Bangkok, although it's a gogo town with little else going on (the beauty of Thailand is the sheer variety of ways you can meet girls). The other places you listed like Ho Chi Minh and Phnom Penh I found to be interesting diversions, but no more.

I am looking for a link to the official announcement that pre-departure RT-PCR tests are no longer required on April 1.

Rankings of all the P4P cities I have been to in SEA. This is only on girls' looks and quantity of girls. Price is not relevant. This has nothing to do with service since that is huge YMMV everywhere anyways. In brackets are the number of visits I have made since 2016. Caveat Emptor I have not been to any of these places except Thailand since COVID began.

Jakarta (10+).
Pattaya (hometown).
Bangkok (40+ at least).
Singapore (3).
Ho Chi Minh (2).
Phnom Penh (10).
Kuala Lumpur (2).

Regarding Jakarta yes it's true it's mainly incalls but I think many guys on here are more than happy with places like Soi 6 in Pattaya. If you want girls to take home there are tons at iBar type places like CJs and Bats. Not sure if Sir Lancelot has been to those.

Now if you care to do things in addition to P4P, Bangkok is the best city followed by Singapore.

Here's a YouTube video of Bui Vien Walking Street this past weekend. Are BKK or Soi Buakhao currently rocking like this when you guys say they're busy? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_L50wk-YTM&t=28s[/URL].

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2678683]Here's a YouTube video of Bui Vien Walking Street this past weekend. Are BKK or Soi Buakhao currently rocking like this when you guys say they're busy? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_L50wk-YTM&t=28s[/URL].[/QUOTE]I never been to Vietnam although I like the Viet girls I have met in HGK and Singapore mucho. The Viet's that use to to hang out in Wan Chai bars 10 years ago were the life of the party.

This street in Saigon looks like a tourist nightmare to me. I see something like Walking Street Pattaya pre-Covid with similar foot traffic but without Go Go's, bars, and girls and by girls I mean hookers. No thanks.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2678630]I have spent lots of time in all of the above over the past decade (500+ girls) By far, Jakarta is the best for me. Tons of girls, lots of free lancers. Low prices ($35-$55 for FS) The city doesn't have a lot of tourism options, it but certainly good for 3-5 days if you stay near one of the shopping malls (Plaza Indonesia is the best). Easy to bring girls back to the hotels with you so pick a nice 4-5 star with a swimming pool. Indo women are generally pretty flexible, not arrogant, can be very pretty, and BB is often the rule. Fewer MILFs than other places. Lots of venue options.

Saigon was very good for a while for me, but by 2018, it seemed difficult to find young attractive girls. I had a network of a few mamasan who could deliver great girls. Occasionally possible to find an attractive girl in more recent times, but I never found a club or bar that had take-out girls. I don't think that's common/legal in Vietnam. Sometimes you can work the online forums or WeChat, but often I found that a horrible waste of time with lots of bait-n-switch. I much prefer a city that has dedicated venues where you can see, meet, and pick your girl. There are many massage options that usually deliver a happy ending, but I have tried multiple times to convert those in to FS and rarely succeeded. That said, of all the locations, Vietnam is the best for food and tourism..[/QUOTE]A good list, Steel. I am glad you posted. It got me thinking about my own favorite towns.

I have never been to Saigon for exactly the reason you describe above. No thanks. It just sounds like too much trouble to find obliging hot girls to consider this city a 1st class or even a 2nd class mongering water hole and most 4* to 5* hotels are girl unfriendly, so it has never been on my radar.

I like Jakarta because I love Jakarta girls. They are so natural and up for a good time! My favorite joint is Malioboro / Malio and I am very happy to hear it is survived Covid. Emporium is gone as is Blok M / Too bad! I used to enjoy starting the evening out in a bordello and then later going to CJ's, Bats, or Blok M to look for a 2nd girl. The longest amount of time I spent in Jakarta on any one trip was 3 weeks and I was ready to fly to Manila by the end of that visit. Ha Ha. 2 to 2.5 weeks is ample. I definitely would not want to live there.

So despite all it's flaws and there are many, I still think Thailand reigns as the number 1 girly destination on the planet. BKK & Pattaya. The reason is obvious: girls, girls, girls, anytime of the day or night. Just walk outside your hotel in BKK or Pat and you are there. Plus the food is great and it has very low crime stats. I walk anywhere, day or night, and I have never seen any trouble.

Phnom Penh is an enjoyable city. The girls are sexy and kind of funky too. I like that. They are a lot of fun. At one point back in the early 00's I actually liked PNH over BKK. Then the hostess bars changed a little with the advent of BMD girls and it was not as good as before, but I still like the place. But, Phnom is a relatively small place and it can get old fast. 2 to 3 weeks is about the most time I would want to spend there on any one trip.

Singapore pre-Covid was a really worthwhile destination. But I don't know if the good times will ever come back. The OT and Brix Bar were outstanding pick up joints. That's were I met a boatload of Viet girls. Geylang used to rock too. I liked the Chinese 150 houses best, and walking around Geylang after dark pre 2015 and being surrounded & accosted by hundreds, yes hundreds, of girls was simply amazing. I loved it!

Same same for Manila. I used to prefer Manila over AC. Why? Because the quality of Makati girls was so much higher (and so was the price, unfortunately). I met some of my all time favorite girls in Bottoms, Plan Bee & Kojax. The girls at EDSA were not too shabby either and super friendly. But the EDSA complex is closed for good and nobody knows the status of the 3 bars I just mentioned. I cry for you, Manila!

AC is a dump, always has been. It is a poor man's Pattaya, 555. Nothing to do all day except hang out by the hotel pool or go to a shitty shopping mall. It has been in decline for some time. I stopped going there in 2015. Pre 2010 it was pretty great! There were plenty of young, attractive bar girls and the EWR (early work release) was only 1200 p. For that small sum the girls would stay all night and shag as many times as you wanted. In fact getting them to leave was the problem back in the day. Pre-Covid 2019, however, AC was not the same place and I doubt things are going to improve post-Covid. I will probably never go back although you never know.

RGN: before Covid, I began branching out with side trips to Yangon. The girls were great and very unspoiled. I liked that! The city is spread out like Jakarta and you must take taxis to go from bar to bar, but the town is good. I will go back when I return to SE Asia.

HKG used to be great. This is the place where I found many lovely Viet girls as well as smokin' hot Japanese, Korean, Mainland Chinese, and even Mongolian girls. It is dead now and I do not see it ever coming back to life.

Sao Paulo: my new love! Yeah, thanks to Covid I changed continents. Easy entry, lots of super hot girls, good food; what is not to like? Nothing, plus it is 8. 5 hours from my home compared to 24 hours to BKK. SP is spread out like Jakarta. Fortunately Uber is cheap. For daytime action there are the Moema Clinicas which very much resemble Geylang houses. 240 BR is the all inclusive price for an hour of bliss with one of the girls. It is very worthwhile. Nightime action is centered around the Boates (bordellos) like in Jakarta and here SP really shines. Scandallo, for example, IMHO ranks as one of the best bordellos in the world, better than Malioboro / Mali club. I love this joint because every night you will find 100 to 150 freelance, very attractive, high class FL girls to choose from.

RJ (Rio de Janeiro): I had to include it in my roundup, although IMHO it pales in comparison to SP. It just does, sort of like MNL vs AC because the highest quality is found in SP even though RJ is still fun with plenty of Termas and small pick up bars to find girls, and it has iconic beaches.

So that's my list of favorite watering holes. If I had to place them in order of preference it would be:

1. BKK.

2. Pat.

3. Sao Paulo.

4. Jakarta.

5. MNL*.

6. Singapore*.

7. Phnom.

9. RJ.

9. Yangon.

10. AC.

* Sadly I have placed asterisks on MNL & Singapore because I have serious doubts that they will return to their pre-Covid good times. I sincerely hope they do.

How did I leave Macau off my list of favorite destinations? I do not know.

From 2009 to Covid, I never travelled to Asia without spending 5 week nights (Sunday to Friday) in Macau at the beginning or the end of my Asian trip. Super expensive, you betcha, but my favorite Saunas had the best selection of Chinese Mainland, Korean, and Taiwanese girls anywhere! The NE Asian talent was so good that Viet girls were considered entry level (the least expensive) or they were consigned to thigh massage (hand job) duties.

In one of my favorite saunas pretty little Indonesian girls were given the sole job of helping customers disrobe. They apparently were not considered shag worthy. 555. Anyway, Macau had top quality girls, great service, super high prices, and great Cantonese food. It was one of my favorite destinations. I pray that the Saunas survive Covid! So here is my revised list of favorite watering holes:

1. BKK.

2. Pat.

3. Sao Paulo.

4. Jakarta.

5. MNL*.

6. Macau.

7. Singapore.

8. Phnom Penh.

9. RJ.

10. Yangon.

11. AC.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2678679]I am looking for a link to the official announcement that pre-departure RT-PCR tests are no longer required on April 1.[/QUOTE]As of yesterday the legal change had yet to be published in the Royal Gazette. It's still at the level of "politicians have agreed".

[QUOTE=TourduMonde;2678775]As of yesterday the legal change had yet to be published in the Royal Gazette. It's still at the level of "politicians have agreed".[/QUOTE]I am told the new rules will be published on Monday.