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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1941310]1. Get a copy of Wayne's AC Map. Google it.

2. Most Perimeter Road Bars are primarily afternoon bars. Technically I believe Perimeter Road begins at the Jeepney Terminal or Checkpoint Charlie. Therefore Pony Tails and ABC Hotel are on Perimeter Road. There is no danger walking from Fields to ABC or Lewis Grand. I have done so at midnight alone and with girls and never encountered a problem. During the day, again, there is no problem walking from say the Lewis to the Candy Bar area although it is hot and if you are walking more than 3 or 4 blocks in this heat you will be sweaty by the time you reach your destination which is not a good idea if your are planning on picking up a girl, so my advice is take the hotel shuttle, if available, or a friendly trike to Perimeter especially if you are going out to the Lost in Asia / Clarkton Hotel area..[/QUOTE]With all due respect natty, by your own admission in recent post you have not visited Angeles city since 2014 so how are you qualified to give an opinion on something as important as punters walking around perimeter road and maybe taking their life / safety in their hands.

The whole of perimeter road is dangerous, that not me saying so that is official statistics saying so, if you care to do some research you will find government statistics of many foreigners having been robbed, shot, murdered on perimeter road.

My own British friend Mr Paul Raymond Atkins was murdered in broad daylight right on perimeter road for just a very old mobile worth about $10,right in the area you are claiming is totally safe to walk in, they came up from behind, shot first and robbed later, that's the type of people that are on the streets of Angeles.

Guys, take extreme care in this area, do not walk, take a very cheap jeepney, trike or hotel car if one insists on bar hopping on perimeter road, it might just save your life for a few pesos.

Natty, clear your inbox, have sent you private mail.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1943895]With all due respect natty, by your own admission in recent post you have not visited Angeles city since 2014 so how are you qualified to give an opinion on something as important as punters walking around perimeter road and maybe taking their life / safety in their hands.

The whole of perimeter road is dangerous, that not me saying so that is official statistics saying so, if you care to do some research you will find government statistics of many foreigners having been robbed, shot, murdered on perimeter road.

My own British friend Mr Paul Raymond Atkins was murdered in broad daylight right on perimeter road for just a very old mobile worth about $10,right in the area you are claiming is totally safe to walk in, they came up from behind, shot first and robbed later, that's the type of people that are on the streets of Angeles.

Guys, take extreme care in this area, do not walk, take a very cheap jeepney, trike or hotel car if one insists on bar hopping on perimeter road, it might just save your life for a few pesos.

Natty, clear your inbox, have sent you private mail.[/QUOTE]I'm no tough guy but I would walk the whole road from LGH to LIA in the daytime. I wouldn't walk on PR after dark but from LGH to the Candy Bar (a couple of blocks) might not be so bad. For me the Perimeter is a daytime only playground so I have no desire to snoop around the PR bars after dark. But thinking about it now, all the BFs that come out of Perimeter bars probably return after 6 pm so my method of not going there after dark might not be a good strategy. I think the Perimeter bars close around 10 pm to midnight and it's got to be slim pickens but I could be wrong. Still I would trike it on the Perimeter after dark. NS, we agree again.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1943895]
The whole of perimeter road is dangerous, that not me saying so that is official statistics saying so, if you care to do some research you will find government statistics of many foreigners having been robbed, shot, murdered on perimeter road.

My own British friend Mr Paul Raymond Atkins was murdered in broad daylight right on perimeter road for just a very old mobile worth about $10,right in the area you are claiming is totally safe to walk in, they came up from behind, shot first and robbed later, that's the type of people that are on the streets of Angeles.
[/QUOTE]There is no question that the murder of Mr. Atkins was a heinous crime. I was very sorry to hear about this tragedy when it occurred in 2011, although I am still not sure where on Perimeter it occurred. And I do not mean to minimize his loss, but since 2011, I have been to AC on numerous occasions as have a good number of my friends all without incident, so I am not sure why you want to bring this up now. I originally advised MD to "always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. Snip. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddha Land (Thailand), but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble). " I stand by that statement.

You, on the other hand, seem to be on a personal jihad to bad rap AC. In all of your 272 posts you never miss an opportunity to denigrate the place. You don't like it here. We all get that. So where do you like it. PLEASE enlighten us all.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1944147]There is no question that the murder of Mr. Atkins was a heinous crime. I was ..........................................[/QUOTE]Mr Bumpo,

Tried to send top secret inside info re shooting to you, but alas your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1944147]I have been to AC on numerous occasions as have a good number of my friends all without incident, so I am not sure why you want to bring this up now. I originally advised MD to "always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddha Land (Thailand), but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble).

You, on the other hand, seem to be on a personal jihad to bad rap AC. In all of your 272 posts you never miss an opportunity to denigrate the place. You don't like it here. We all get that. So where do you like it. PLEASE enlighten us all.[/QUOTE]When posters start quoting government statistics about areas many of us have visited countless times and have first hand reports, well. This might be a clue to ignore such advice. When posters do so incessantly, the ignore feature is quite a nice option.

I have been visiting and staying in the perimeter area hotels for years. These places offer no local car service nor do virtually any budget hotels. Never encountered a problem walking the Main drag from Fields to past Petron to the lower priced bars as far as Fire Pit. Of course hug the sidewalks as much as you can, and walk briskly with a purpose as with anywhere in the 3rd world. Have had much more issues in the Money changer to Fields gauntlet than the Jeep terminal to Candy bar area trips. Never had a problems taking the M Gate. F. Ship jeep which costs a mere 7 pesos and is constantly in motion. Can't imagine waiting for a hotel car for my every whim and notion regarding food, bars etc. For me the whole Fields- SM Clark is in walking / jeep range and almost free providing the weather is not too brutal heatwise.

Sure if you are a first time visitor and very risk averse then follow those rules that the cautious advise.

For me the main rules would be avoid the side streets off the beaten path that don't contain hotels and / or are poorly lit completely. The perimeter bars past Sunset Garden close at midnite so avoid that area after that time as there is nothing else there anyway. Past the Fire Pit there isn't anything of value after dark until you get to the Korean town so no need to go there anyway by foot.

The main road of the perimeter, Don Juico is no more unsafe than any other monger area. The road from Emotions past the nursery to Petron is pretty well lit and I never had any worries walking it or taking the Jeep.

Leaving Manila and next stop to AC. Been with two nights straight sex and one night rest, oh I am getting old! LOL! As planned will be staying at Central Park Tower and trasfer by a private car at php 2700! Take Westie advise for more convenient than taking the private bus with luggage. Mix feeling what would be turn out tonight? Don't know which bar should I visited first and hope could find a girl better than those two girls of LAC which only the pussy that passionate me than their looks.

I wonder if business associate hear I went to AC will that be immediately associated I was there for mongering than business? Soon to meet them after few days stay in AC.

After AC, Burgos will be my final leg of this trip.

By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1944147]There is no question that the murder of Mr. Atkins was a heinous crime. I was very sorry to hear about this tragedy when it occurred in 2011, although I am still not sure where on Perimeter it occurred. And I do not mean to minimize his loss, but since 2011, I have been to AC on numerous occasions as have a good number of my friends all without incident, so I am not sure why you want to bring this up now. I originally advised MD to "always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. Snip. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddha Land (Thailand), but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble). " I stand by that statement.

You, on the other hand, seem to be on a personal jihad to bad rap AC. In all of your 272 posts you never miss an opportunity to denigrate the place. You don't like it here. We all get that. So where do you like it. PLEASE enlighten us all.[/QUOTE]Natty, your exact use of words to a newbie asking for advice was, I never had a problem of any kind walking back to ABC or the Lewis Grand around midnight and there is no problem period in the daytime.

There you go, you are clearly stating there is no problem period walking on perimeter road and as I say the official statistics say you are completely wrong to guarantee ones safety.

As has been said, you have not walked the streets of angeles for some years so in all honesty do not have a clue as to how dangerous they are now, your dangerous and wrong advice could potentially cost someone his life, as I say google is your friend, there are robberies / murders on perimeter every year, even this year a korean lost his life on perimeter, shot in the head.

Most guys that have lost their lives on perimeter were seasoned visitors or foreign residents so the advice to not walk perimeter road applies to all, but each to their own risk level and stupidity I guess.

I not suggesting anyone not visit perimeter road, just to take the relevant precautions like taking transport there and not walking, not sure why so many find this advice so hard to accept.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1944204]Leaving Manila and next stop to AC. Been with two nights straight sex and one night rest, oh I am getting old! LOL! As planned will be staying at Central Park Tower and trasfer by a private car at php 2700! Take Westie advise for more convenient than taking the private bus with luggage. Mix feeling what would be turn out tonight? Don't know which bar should I visited first and hope could find a girl better than those two girls of LAC which only the pussy that passionate me than their looks.

I wonder if business associate hear I went to AC will that be immediately associated I was there for mongering than business? Soon to meet them after few days stay in AC.

After AC, Burgos will be my final leg of this trip.

By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Most perimeter road bars are all girls one price.

Fields avenue bigger bars tend to have tiered bar fine based on the girls looks.

There is no such thing as a long time price and a short time price, all prices are meant to be for long time but most better looking girls run after the 1st pop.

Have a great trip.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1944204]By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.[/QUOTE]The barfine amount is set by each bar, not the bargirl.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1944204]

By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.

MD.[/QUOTE]The bar fines at Fields Avenue bars are around 3,000 PHP. Some will vary from this. This is all inclusive and unlike in Manila or BKK, there is no need to pay the girl a separate fee. You may of course give the girl a tip at your discretion. The bar fines at the Perimeter bars (from Eruptions at mid-Perimeter through to Drill Shack on the far Perimeter) are between 1500 - 2000 PHP. Sometimes you will pay the fee to the mamasan and sometimes you will give the money to the girl. The girl will not get changed into street clothes until the money has been paid.

The bar fine at the night time bars is meant to be for LT (I. E. The girl leaves in the morning), but as has been discussed extensively before, many of the girls will leave at around 2. 00 am after 1-pop. They will cite a number of totally unbelievable reasons. There is nothing you can do about it. Just let her go and if your cock still needs more attention, go out on the prowl again and collect another girl. It's no big deal.

Many of the Perimeter bars are day time bars, opening around 12.00 noon. If you bar fine a girl there, the understanding is that you will release her at around 9. 00 pm so she can go home. Obviously, as with anything in AC, everything can be negotiated.

When you enter a bar, the girl on stage might make eye contact with you or the waitress might invite you to select a girl. When you bring the lady down to the seat next to you, buy her a lady drink and commence the interview process. This is when you negotiate the services she will offer and the time she will leave. Confirm that she is not on her period. Of course she can change her mind on anything she agreed to once she is in your room. Remember to tip the waitress.

If the girl says to you "may be you go with my friend", then take that as a no. Don't push it further. This response means any or all of the following:

1. I don't like you.

2. I'm on my period.

3. I've been barfined enough this week / month and I can't be bothered.

Please let us know how you go!

Dear my brothers here for your most valuable advise. I am on my way to AC, ridding the private car from Pacific breeze at php 2700. The driver William has a good English. Hope I have a lot of energy for those pussy out there. I heard that those waitresses at the bar can also be bar fine? Once have BF a waitresses in Pataya and I found them much better tons those wearing bikinis on the stage.

May be better to barfine a girl along those club in perimeter and after they leaving by 10 pm then go to pick up girls in field ave. At least if they left by one or two early morning then still will be 2 pops at the end? LOL.

Wish me luck and I reported later.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1944259]
May be better to barfine a girl along those club in perimeter and after they leaving by 10 pm then go to pick up girls in field ave. At least if they left by one or two early morning then still will be 2 pops at the end? LOL.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like a pretty good plan to me. But be prepared to be interrupted along the way by all manner of people offering a better option. In AC, be flexible and go with whatever comes your way.

You can bar fine the door girl, waitress and even the mamasan, if that is your thing. Some waitresses are hot.

I arrived my hotel Central Park tower and taking a long walk all the way to Lewis grand, but don't see any candy bar club only saw hide, emotion or eruption, not sure if bar is open or close except if there is some girls in the front door.

It seems not as what I expected like in Nep in Bangkok? Or perhaps I am too early? But see some Korean has cute girls going into the elvator and some holding out going out, presume those girls should either their permanent or from the afternoon bar?

Hi,

Thanks for the info here. It has been of great help on my two past trips to AC, in 2014 and 2015 (as I live quite far away). However, I am going back again in December for two weeks.

My usual "way of working" has been to go out to Fields at appx. 19:00-20:00 in the evening and either barfine early (with a designated bar in mind) or barhop and barfine late. I enjoy long time and have always asked for this from the girls I meet. On my first trip I had one runner and on my second trip I think this increased to three, albeit I stayed for three times as many days. If they run I take it for what it is and don't mind it too much. The rest of them which deliver, more than make it up for me. I usually tend to "write off" runners on my poor interviewing skills and rather reward the performers with tips and / or food, drinks etc.

On this trip I want to make two changes to my daily routine:

1. On some nights I might go for short time and try two girls, instead of doing the same girls twice. I know, it is a luxury problem and I am struggling to decide.

2. I want to explore the Perimeter Bars. This brings me to the intention of this post;.

- What is the best time to go out to the Perimeter Bars?

- For how long does the girls, usually, stay?

- Which of the bars are the best?

- Is it safe to walk at Perimeter after 22:00?

The longest I have been into Perimeter is Eruptions, where I barfined and enjoyed a lovely girl last year.

Thanks in advance, ISG!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1944228]The barfine amount is set by each bar, not the bargirl.[/QUOTE]Have to admire the chutzpah of someone to arrive in AC and only then start asking RTFM questions. Just sayin'.