FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2227678]I'm sorry but you ruined what was a great post be quoting this fabricated rubbish from two sharky hookers as if it were truth! In the words of the 45th President of the USA; "Fake news"!

The above price scheme is just the cash amounts these particular ladies wish to charge tourists, particularly North American or East Asian tourists, who have a tendency to far too readily hand over their hard earned cash simply because, in the the case of US tourists, the price of pussy in FKK-Land is so much less expensive than sex prison USA and in the case of East Asian tourists, this is their big chance to bed a reasonable looking European hooker. These girls know that both tourist types have traveled across continents to get to Germany and FKK Sharks, and therefore in their minds these tourists must have plenty of cash and should they name a high price, there is every chance that they will hit a big payment with a guy who knows no better, who is unlikely to haggle and who is unlikely to walk away.

Do you seriously think that any of the locals are paying these prices? The club is full of locals. Tourists may be a considerable percentage visiting FKK Sharks (and particularly at weekends) but certainly not in enough numbers to keep the club open.

I repeat, anybody who is happy to pay euro 150 for 30 minutes with a Romanian floozie would be better served by heading to FKK Globe in Zurich where the club is full of five star hookers and the service level is guaranteed by management. I would feel scammed if I paid euro 150 for 30 minutes of pretty standard gfe nookie with a slightly above average looking hooker in FKK Sharks! I certainly would not be writing about it on ISG!

The problem with Sharks (and Oase and probably Palace / Mainhattan) is that management don't care whether the customer is being overcharged or whether the service levels of the girls are of a descent standard. They certainly don't care about tourists who at best occasionally visit the club. The above tiered pricing is invented and purely for schmucks!

If this is how you (or any ISG Member) is being continually treated by the ladies in FKK Sharks, my advice is to head elsewhere![/QUOTE]Hi Der Auslander. Well written. I'm going to give up preaching the choir here (including the Tourists) on the standard rates, even though I myself am a half-Asian Tourist.

A fool and his money are soon parted. - Thomas Tusser.

There's a sucker born every minute.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2227473].[/QUOTE]Great post as usual HS. Enjoyed reading it.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2227579]So after good success on Monday, I headed back in Thursday night with an early flight Friday morning. Train to Nord, quick trip to Sharks, I got there around 8:30. I normally would have just gone to the RLD with such a late start, but, last night in town, etc.

Shower and food first. Lots more guys than Monday, but oddly less action. Lots of guys, especially groups of Asians, just sitting around. Weird.

Session 1 - Ada: Ada is a pretty average looking but very sweet Ro, blondish hair, glasses. We had chatted on Monday, and she was so nice, I went for the 50 30 minute GFE. We went in one of the rooms on the sauna deck. Great BBBJ, great cowgirl finish. She lightly asked about finish in her mouth, since so many guys come to the club for things they can't get elsewhere, like anal and CIM. I explained that for me, being on the other side of a half century, fucking a pretty girl who is 30 years younger *is* the fantasy, which cracked her up. She was pretty good, nothing exceptional, but entirely competent. She did complain about the lack of action from the guys, which was something I heard all night from nearly every girl. She would do well to love to a smaller club I think, as she is never going to standout on looks.

Some more food, and then some relaxing, letting the little Captain reload. At my age, with no vitamins left, these things take time. So I chatted and observed. The guys, who were more plentiful than Monday, really were less active, no question. This seem to exasperate the girls, who became less aggressive about going up to guys. I mean, in contrast to Monday, I was able to sit on a couch downstairs for 30 minutes at a time with no one coming to talk to me. Mostly they sat at the bar and talked..[/QUOTE]Thanks for a great post. Brings back some great memories of this place. Looking forward to my next trip.

For the last fucking time: That is what these girls are trying to get. I gave them my price and they walked away and I didn't sleep with them. Yes I said that they were tourist prices. I didn't pay the fucking tourist prices. Those particular girls would only go to the room for those prices.

One thing is for sure and I only know one thing: The two of you are not going to get it from the those girls that I quoted for any less. Yes, I think that if you two went to sharks and tried to get with those girls that is what you would have paid. I wanted two of them (Misha and Danni) but we could never agree on a price as they stuck to that tier one pricing scheme and wouldn't budge. How the fuck is that fake news? I reported what they were asking? Do you think for a second that if Gino turns the corner or Der Auslander that all of a sudden you were off to the room with the same girls for 50 Euro? Now that is bull shit! Or maybe you would wink and nod and off you go for 50 Euro. I don't believe it.

A fool and his money? I didn't go to the room with them. I was just reporting what they wanted and like I said two of them I really wanted to do (Misha and Danni) but they wouldn't budge so I walked. Danni even spent a 1/2 hour talking with me trying to convince me that she was worth it. So how is this fake news?

English must be a second language for the both of you.



[QUOTE=Gino02;2227695]Hi Der Auslander. Well written. I'm going to give up preaching the choir here (including the Tourists) on the standard rates, even though I myself am a half-Asian Tourist.

A fool and his money are soon parted. - Thomas Tusser.

There's a sucker born every minute.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2227678]I'm sorry but you ruined what was a great post be quoting this fabricated rubbish from two sharky hookers as if it were truth! In the words of the 45th President of the USA; "Fake news"!

The above price scheme is just the cash amounts these particular ladies wish to charge tourists, particularly North American or East Asian tourists, who have a tendency to far too readily hand over their hard earned cash simply because, in the the case of US tourists, the price of pussy in FKK-Land is so much less expensive than sex prison USA and in the case of East Asian tourists, this is their big chance to bed a reasonable looking European hooker. These girls know that both tourist types have traveled across continents to get to Germany and FKK Sharks, and therefore in their minds these tourists must have plenty of cash and should they name a high price, there is every chance that they will hit a big payment with a guy who knows no better, who is unlikely to haggle and who is unlikely to walk away.

Do you seriously think that any of the locals are paying these prices? The club is full of locals. Tourists may be a considerable percentage visiting FKK Sharks (and particularly at weekends) but certainly not in enough numbers to keep the club open.

I repeat, anybody who is happy to pay euro 150 for 30 minutes with a Romanian floozie would be better served by heading to FKK Globe in Zurich where the club is full of five star hookers and the service level is guaranteed by management. I would feel scammed if I paid euro 150 for 30 minutes of pretty standard gfe nookie with a slightly above average looking hooker in FKK Sharks! I certainly would not be writing about it on ISG!

The problem with Sharks (and Oase and probably Palace / Mainhattan) is that management don't care whether the customer is being overcharged or whether the service levels of the girls are of a descent standard. They certainly don't care about tourists who at best occasionally visit the club. The above tiered pricing is invented and purely for schmucks!

If this is how you (or any ISG Member) is being continually treated by the ladies in FKK Sharks, my advice is to head elsewhere![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2227678]I'm sorry but you ruined what was a great post be quoting this fabricated rubbish from two sharky hookers as if it were truth! In the words of the 45th President of the USA; "Fake news"!

The above price scheme is just the cash amounts these particular ladies wish to charge tourists, particularly North American or East Asian tourists, who have a tendency to far too readily hand over their hard earned cash simply because, in the the case of US tourists, the price of pussy in FKK-Land is so much less expensive than sex prison USA and in the case of East Asian tourists, this is their big chance to bed a reasonable looking European hooker. These girls know that both tourist types have traveled across continents to get to Germany and FKK Sharks, and therefore in their minds these tourists must have plenty of cash and should they name a high price, there is every chance that they will hit a big payment with a guy who knows no better, who is unlikely to haggle and who is unlikely to walk away.

Do you seriously think that any of the locals are paying these prices? The club is full of locals. Tourists may be a considerable percentage visiting FKK Sharks (and particularly at weekends) but certainly not in enough numbers to keep the club open.[/QUOTE]Even not a German local, but Misha is not a high upseller for my experience, a sweet GFE girl, but also not for a 50€ quickie.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2227636]I like pretty Misha ex World, sweet with a bit of elegance for look. 50 per 30 mn for our time.[/QUOTE]Well look here. Pepe LE pew was able to get Misha for 50 E /30 min but she turned down 100 with a BJ I like and a finish I like from me.

I think this is the fake news...or, more power to ya!

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2227764]Well look here. Pepe LE pew was able to get Misha for 50 E /30 min but she turned down 100 with a BJ I like and a finish I like from me.

I think this is the fake news...or, more power to ya![/QUOTE]Misha was available for 50 for each 30 mn on end of 2017, but I'm not a 30 mn rabbit and she doesn't like quickie, I prefer to play my GFE games with a sweet girl she is.

But I agree: more and more upselling girls at Sharks since this Summer, no top beauties seen, only Elen is sexy but she runs for easy Asians so her vagina maybe Asian size. Business seem quite slow for most of girls. For my little experience, smart girls never speak about money, they prefer to try to make regulars who will spend more than 1000 per month on her. Upselling girls are most of times low level girls who think they worth better than what they are really able to behave.

Fortunately, but have to work harder and harder, can sometimes find a real good, pretty girl who really will to please You, and she never spoke about money, she just take what I give her, so no pit stop at Globe on my way back from my dreams and records, my lovely Romanian should get my nearly 2000 per month business, but on club rate, as long she will be so lovely with me. Being smart attract good clients business, even for 50€ rate, but for 5 hours each week end.

DerAuslander. Well said. I have already taken your advice and gone elsewhere. I got fed up with some girls trying for inflated prices and trying to condition me into thinking that a session of a hundred euros was nothing. I treat the workers with respect and expect the same in return

Girl says minimum price is 100 for decent session: I walk away. Girl gives good service for 50 and I then spend maybe 500 maximum. I leave Sharks to the overpaying tourists, the many correct paying local frequent visitors, and those tourists who are happy to deal with the aggro of having to negotiate with some girls

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2227750]For the last fucking time: That is what these girls are trying to get. I gave them my price and they walked away and I didn't sleep with them. Yes I said that they were tourist prices. I didn't pay the fucking tourist prices. Those particular girls would only go to the room for those prices.[/QUOTE]I absolutely believe you!

My problem is the following inaccuracies in your recent post:

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2227473] Yes, this is not a club for locals to go to. They would be broke.[/QUOTE]This is just plain wrong. There are nearly always far more locals in FKK Sharks than tourists. Some may not seem like German citizens because they may be of Turkish origin (and hence speaking Turkish) but they do live locally. FKK Sharks or indeed any of the Frankfurt clubs would not stay open on tourist revenue alone! You just have to be in the club on a Sunday afternoon to see and realize how many locals are in attendance as they watch the Bundesliga (German soccer league matches) on TV. The club is sometimes over 90% local and packed to the rafters.

Generally speaking locals will not pay these prices which you quote (I. E. Euro 100 or euro 150 for 30 minutes). Nor will any frequent visitor to the club be he French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, British or from anywhere else pay these prices. Of course there are schmucks from every country, not just North America, and chances are if you were a frequent visitor to the club you would not have been quoted these prices, unless perhaps the club was particularly busy but even then probably not. I accept that many hookers in Sharks want euro 100 for 30 minutes but they are just as likely to accept euro 100 for 60 minutes and include GFE and BBBJ for no extra. You have to be prepared to haggle and if necessary walk away.

The problem you have is that US tourists along with East Asian (Japanese, Taiwanese, South Korean) tourists have a reputation for overpaying. The hookers know that you have traveled across continents to get to FKK Sharks and have a few dollars in your pocket to splash out. The girls will definitely try to extract the maximum dollars / euros they can from these tourist types in the knowledge that they are unlikely to see you ever again because by the time you come back (if you come back) she will have moved on to another club or to another life.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2227473]They are all trying to drive to that 150E/30 minutes.

1st tier 150/30 minutes.

2nd tier 100 Euros for this.

3rd tier 100 euros /1 hour GFE extra 50 E for a porn star finish.

4th Tier 50 Euros for a GFE 30 minute date.[/QUOTE]My problem here is that you are quoting the words of two hungry hookers, who are trying to condition you to pay more than is usually necessary for a fast fuck, and then presenting this made-up pricing structure as if it was some newly discovered fact. Just like Moses presenting the 10 commandments on stone tablets to the Israelites, you present the above pricing structure as if it were a revelation from God! This pricing structure is complete bullshit! The correct rate is euro 50 for 30 minutes with BBBJ (and sometimes not BBBJ). You should not have to pay extra for kisses or GFE but if you are just going to the room for 30 minutes how much GFE / kisses do you want or expect? The better looking the girl the more rooms she will get. Some girls do not want to do 30 minute sessions or at least charge a premium for doing so, Thats fair enough. Either haggle and get the price down or simply walk away or pay (in the knowledge that you are overpaying and have been had).

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2227750]English must be a second language for the both of you.[/QUOTE]English has been spoken in my native country longer than the United States has existed and some of the greatest writers in the language have come from my native city. Its a pity that you find it necessary to inject personal insults into this conversation. Perhaps I have been too hard on you. I applaud (for the most part) the style of your recent travel post and regret that I find it necessary to highlight some inaccuracies in what is for the most part a very entertaining report. At least you are bringing information back to the forum and that in itself is a good thing and if noting else the commentary you have made in your report has caused controversy. I wish you well.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2227887]IAt least you are bringing information back to the forum and that in itself is a good thing and if noting else the commentary you have made in your report has caused controversy. I wish you well.[/QUOTE]Yes and maybe you should think about doing the same thing, because I don't think I read a report written by you recently (actually I can't remember reading any report by you). He just reported what those girls told him, and saying that there is no upselling in Sharks is a massive fake news! That's why I decided not to come back in this shark pond.

Asians, Americanos and other non-locals:

Please read this excellent post from "Der Auslander". I could not possibly agree more with all this. Ah, and BTW, if you finished reading, please start over again. In the hope that you memorize this all. Do not spoil the ladies! DO not overpay. Thank you!!

FYI: I am quasi-local, and speak german 100% fluently. So I was very rarely asked those prices. But I hear they are quite the norm to be asked to non-locals, especially if one of the big Messe events are going on!

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2227887]I absolutely believe you!

My problem is the following inaccuracies in your recent post:

This is just plain wrong. There are nearly always far more locals in FKK Sharks than tourists. Some may not seem like German citizens because they may be of Turkish origin (and hence speaking Turkish) but they do live locally. FKK Sharks or indeed any of the Frankfurt clubs would not stay open on tourist revenue alone! You just have to be in the club on a Sunday afternoon to see and realize how many locals are in attendance as they watch the Bundesliga (German soccer league matches) on TV. The club is sometimes over 90% local and packed to the rafters.

Generally speaking locals will not pay these prices which you quote (I. E. Euro 100 or euro 150 for 30 minutes). Nor will any frequent visitor to the club be he French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, British or from anywhere else pay these prices. Of course there are schmucks from every country, not just North America, and chances are if you were a frequent visitor to the club you would not have been quoted these prices, unless perhaps the club was particularly busy but even then probably not. I accept that many hookers in Sharks want euro 100 for 30 minutes but they are just as likely to accept euro 100 for 60 minutes and include GFE and BBBJ for no extra. You have to be prepared to haggle and if necessary walk away.

The problem you have is that US tourists along with East Asian (Japanese, Taiwanese, South Korean) tourists have a reputation for overpaying. The hookers know that you have traveled across continents to get to FKK Sharks and have a few dollars in your pocket to splash out. The girls will definitely try to extract the maximum dollars / euros they can from these tourist types in the knowledge that they are unlikely to see you ever again because by the time you come back (if you come back) she will have moved on to another club or to another life.

My problem here is that you are quoting the words of two hungry hookers, who are trying to condition you to pay more than is usually necessary for a fast fuck, and then presenting this made-up pricing structure as if it was some newly discovered fact. Just like Moses presenting the 10 commandments on stone tablets to the Israelites, you present the above pricing structure as if it were a revelation from God! This pricing structure is complete bullshit! The correct rate is euro 50 for 30 minutes with BBBJ (and sometimes not BBBJ). You should not have to pay extra for kisses or GFE but if you are just going to the room for 30 minutes how much GFE / kisses do you want or expect? The better looking the girl the more rooms she will get. Some girls do not want to do 30 minute sessions or at least charge a premium for doing so, Thats fair enough. Either haggle and get the price down or simply walk away or pay (in the knowledge that you are overpaying and have been had).

English has been spoken in my native country longer than the United States has existed and some of the greatest writers in the language have come from my native city. Its a pity that you find it necessary to inject personal insults into this conversation. Perhaps I have been too hard on you. I applaud (for the most part) the style of your recent travel post and regret that I find it necessary to highlight some inaccuracies in what is for the most part a very entertaining report. At least you are bringing information back to the forum and that in itself is a good thing and if noting else the commentary you have made in your report has caused controversy. I wish you well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optimist;2227885]DerAuslander. Well said. I have already taken your advice and gone elsewhere. I got fed up with some girls trying for inflated prices and trying to condition me into thinking that a session of a hundred euros was nothing. I treat the workers with respect and expect the same in return

Girl says minimum price is 100 for decent session: I walk away. Girl gives good service for 50 and I then spend maybe 500 maximum. I leave Sharks to the overpaying tourists, the many correct paying local frequent visitors, and those tourists who are happy to deal with the aggro of having to negotiate with some girls[/QUOTE]I don't overpay ever in Sharks, I did once at Artemis and enormously regretted doing so.

The only type of overpaying I do is agree to one hour 100 Euro sessions.

I agree with Auslander in principle, however not all clubs are the same. I doubt you can get a good session in Artemis from most girls for the standard rate.

Do you guys think the norms at Sharks apply to Oase as well? I am not so sure, the service at Sharks seems more reliable.

Sakura has much better service than Paradise for example, in Paradise I agreed to the one hour 100 Euro deal to get the same terms as in Sakura.

Surely these norms don't hold for all clubs, I do agree that overpaying spoils the market and it is silly.

Get extras by all means, I frequently pay for anal but don't ever pay for standard things like kissing and any type of blowjob.

Good points made on all sides. However, HungryStud is merely saying "don't shoot the messenger". From what I know, he is a seasoned monger and there is no evidence he overpaid and destroyed any market.

Even if they are tourists, the ones who frequent these clubs would want rational pricing. On my very first visit in my super excitement, I might have been willing to pay any price the girl wanted (actually, I did not even on that day). But if one is visiting 6 times a year, spending thousands per visit just to get there, one would want to partake as many sessions as possible, and an extra hundred per hour adds up quickly. On this site, the ones who write regularly are all frequent mongers and I expect they do not want to destroy the market anymore than the locals do. I recently posted a cost estimate per trip for me which runs nearly 4 grand per visit. Why would I intentionally want it to run upto 6 grand which it would be if all hourly rates were to double? I wouldn't.

The other point HS made is that there are certain girls who simply refuse to do 50 E /30 M w / BBBJ and DFK. Many in fact. I don't believe there is any evidence that the locals are successfully getting good service from those either.

And then there are other girls who do give good service to locals and regulars but not to tourists. That is because they EXPECT to obtain repeat business from them. This is no different than a bulk discount shoppers receive. To some extent, the higher priced services tourists pay subsidize the bulk discounts for the locals and regulars.

UH is a super regular at Oase even if he is an American tourist. He obtains great services from many girls there, even as the few genuine locals on this thread occasionally complained that Oase has become a shark haven. This shows that there are multiple dynamics at play here and not just a us vs them bashing.

And finally, moneyed tourists paying more than locals happens in practically every region and market. I have no doubt that the northern Europeans flocking to the warm comforts of Bali and Siam for beaches and women are probably overpaying for a whole bunch of things more than the locals do in those areas. You can curse the tourists all you want, but unless you erect walls like ISG hero Trump wants to and stop tourism totally, this is a "problem" that will not be solved merely by bashing clueless Americans and Asians. China got admitted to WTO in the early 2000s and since then that country alone has increased global GDP by several trillion dollars and printed several thousand millionaire names -- it is inevitable that some of that money flows into clubs to chase Romanian poon tang -- this is just a fact of life.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2227945]................Do you guys think the norms at Sharks apply to Oase as well? I am not so sure, the service at Sharks seems more reliable.........[/QUOTE]In June / July I had to look harder to get standard sessions at Oase. The girls were more sharkish and from my observations for some reason the mongers were more tolerant of being scammed.

Delta. No way suggesting you overpay. I think you come within the group who can negotiate happily through the perils of that portion of girls wanting to overcharge: personally I can't be bothered.

As for Oase, several members negotiate those waters happily and successfully without getting scammed.

I think it is just a question of establishing credentials as a regular visitor and having a modicum of charm (having money, basic humanity, and no body odour). I just don't go enough to establish myself in a new big club quickly enough.

Cheers.