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[QUOTE=Visal;2308344]Red Lion only asks 100 UAH for lap dance? Wow. Scarlette and Rio ask for 600 now. Anyone else has experiences of other clubs or Red Lion? I am bored of visiting Scarlette every time now.[/QUOTE]Wow, 600, what a rip off.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2339913]My pain tolerance for BS and scamming is actually very low, but I also have a very low need for novelty and I'm long-term oriented, which compensates. I was willing to put up with BS agency tactics as a learning experience, then I put up different BS from independents because I was certain I would eventually find a quality independent, and indeed I did find one. Then I just stuck with that girl and have been happy ever since.

Gave my jewel a pay raise this Monday, in fact. Maybe some posters here will shake their heads at 5000 uah for 4 hours, 2-3 times a week, plus big bonus at end of summer plus maybe some paid travel together later this year. But I get more pleasure from this girl than anything else I could spend money on, since all other sources of pleasure are free or close to free (morning calisthenics / yoga, hiking in the mountains, music and books, sitting in the park). It would be very foolish to give her an incentive to keep looking for a better sponsor. I'll post a final statement at end of summer of what I gave her, but probably will be around $6000.[/QUOTE]Bro, I'm so happy for you. This is what its all about. As far as haggling goes, at some point the extra dollar or two that forms a line in the sand loses its value compared to what you are getting. At the end of the day, you only live once, and getting "cheated" for a dollar or two is still a damn sight better than losing that life to loneliness in ameriKa.

I'm not a sportf**ker, so I prefer to make some kind of connection. I've not married, never had kids, nobody's at home getting hurt, so I want to experiment with "an arrangement" to see if it might better suit me. From your post here its interesting to see what such a relationship looks like in this country. I hope to find someone to share my summer with, it would be nice.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2340307] I hope to find someone to share my summer with, it would be nice.[/QUOTE]That's going to cost. I'm sure you have a wad of cash too, but most men don't want to spend long periods of time with fake friends.

Just to be clear, emotional connection and friendship are two very different things. You're likely to find the former grinding through hookers, but rarely the latter.

Wow, 600, what a rip off.

This should not be a surprise. Both Night Clubs and Strip Clubs are bad at the moment in Kiev. Both are rip offs and way overrated, this has been said by many. Just too many Sex Tourists and not enough high quality girls.

You are better off spending your days meeting girls on the street or dealing with Escorts.

[QUOTE=Riina;2340416]That's going to cost. I'm sure you have a wad of cash too, but most men don't want to spend long periods of time with fake friends.

Just to be clear, emotional connection and friendship are two very different things. You're likely to find the former grinding through hookers, but rarely the latter.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, relationship between me and my jewel is based neither on strong emotional connection nor real friendship, but rather on good sex in a context of mutual respect, mutual reliability, mutual honesty, etc. I don't jerk her around with BS, she doesn't jerk me around. Reliably good sex a few times per week, with zero BS, is exactly what I need at this point in my life. Far more important than love, which I don't even think I'm capable of anymore. Nor do I really want anyone to love me.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2340509]Just to clarify, relationship between me and my jewel is based neither on strong emotional connection nor real friendship, but rather on good sex in a context of mutual respect, mutual reliability, mutual honesty, etc. I don't jerk her around with BS, she doesn't jerk me around. Reliably good sex a few times per week, with zero BS, is exactly what I need at this point in my life. Far more important than love, which I don't even think I'm capable of anymore. Nor do I really want anyone to love me.[/QUOTE]Concise honest explanation. For a lot of people this is one of the definitions for real friendship. But words do not matter if both of you are content.

I am currently in a somewhat different type of agreement with 4 young ladies. We all understand that in our circle nothing is exclusive. Yet nobody fucks my brains, and vice versa. And whenever available, we meet and are extremely happy to see each other. Sex is amazing, so is interaction at other levels.

Some of my money they use to buy decent clothes, and beauty salons services, nothing outrageous though. All 4 ladies are independent enough, and I fully realize that their beauty is not for my eyes only. In fact I do not use Tinder, and saw one of them getting Tinder superlikes. We didn't discuss it, as it doesn't bother me. I know when she is with me for 2-3 days straight, she will not full around.

This way I get enough variety and dedication at the same time.

Still working on perfecting this arrangement.

Between 898, Bolt, Ontaxi, Hopin, Uklon, and Uber, which is the best ride sharing / taxi app for kyiv?

I'm not the kind of guy who is going to try his luck on a bus / subway, in a language I don't speak. Thanks as always to all replies.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2340568]Between 898, Bolt, Ontaxi, Hopin, Uklon, and Uber, which is the best ride sharing / taxi app for kyiv?

I'm not the kind of guy who is going to try his luck on a bus / subway, in a language I don't speak. Thanks as always to all replies.[/QUOTE]The Kiev Metro is easy to ride. The stations are labeled also in normal letters.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2340448]Wow, 600, what a rip off.

This should not be a surprise. Both Night Clubs and Strip Clubs are bad at the moment in Kiev. Both are rip offs and way overrated, this has been said by many. Just too many Sex Tourists and not enough high quality girls.

You are better off spending your days meeting girls on the street or dealing with Escorts.[/QUOTE]Feel free to contact me if you want to join me in July talking to girls.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2340571]Feel free to contact me if you want to join me in July talking to girls.[/QUOTE]I may not be "dramafree", but I'll join you in talking to girls this July haha

I'm there in kyiv from July 17th thru Sept. 18th.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2340568]Between 898, Bolt, Ontaxi, Hopin, Uklon, and Uber, which is the best ride sharing / taxi app for kyiv?

I'm not the kind of guy who is going to try his luck on a bus / subway, in a language I don't speak. Thanks as always to all replies.[/QUOTE]I have used uber there, no problems.

[QUOTE=Hecker;2326093]Carribean and Chi. This is what Dramafree complains about. If you go to Carribean Arabs and Turks will destroy you since the club is full of them and for Chi you need to pay 300 euro for table to get in so why bother?[/QUOTE]Shit, 300 euro for CHI, fuk it.

How is princess strip club? How much are lap dances?

[URL]https://princessclub.com.ua/en/club/[/URL]