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[QUOTE=Freezone;1948300]Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN. Remember its just not the tips they like, but the main factor is you are also good to the girls, giving them the BFE= BoyFriendEffect. They have already made enough money (based on PI wage scale) from the BF alone that will keep them happy for awhile.

--IMO.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Depends what type of girls one is happy to barfine.

What I find is that the better looking girls that have multiple offers of being barfined do not give a shit about, GFE, BFE or any other experience, they are in the business to make as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time.

Ever wondered why almost all pretty Angeles girls that are willing to barfine insist on short time only, usually 1 quick pop, well its to get back to the bar and get the next punters money.

Expecting girls young enough to be most punters great granddaughter to actually like them or want to spend any more time than is absolutely necessary to secure the pesos is dreaming at best.

Girls that have no chance of anyone buying them high commission lady drinks and might only get asked to barfine by a very few per month will generally stay long time and try to play the I really like you card in the hope of the punter keeping her multiple days or at worst at least giving a tip IMHO.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1948300]Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN. Remember its just not the tips they like, but the main factor is you are also good to the girls, giving them the BFE= BoyFriendEffect. They have already made enough money (based on PI wage scale) from the BF alone that will keep them happy for awhile.

--IMO.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I am sure AL2 knows what he is doing. AL2 is a veteran of AC.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2;1948247]Maybe I should have mentioned I tip for performance. GFE earns the 1000 P tip. Moreover, I have had many girls meet me outside the clubs for free. I treat the girls I am with like a girlfriend. $82 for an all night date with a beautiful Pinay for me is hardly overspending. I can remember paying 500 P BF's. And I was still 'handsome' then! LOL.

However, Now I am willing to pay the going rate for a girl that looks good to me.

But I understand everyone has a budget.[/QUOTE]I was just there in AC and when I took hotties from Perimeter bars they weren't happy w / 500 pesos. So if that's the case why go there?

Tipping a 1000 pesos is making it difficult for the other mongers. I don't want to tip 1000 pesos but when others do it I am pressured to do it too.

It doesn't matter what makes you (the monger) feel good. It matters what is best for everyone. That's what's important.

If you want to spoil AC than tip 1000 pesos to the BGs. The BG boyfriends thank you kindly but I don't.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1948300]Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean. I get that same thing and I don't tip at all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948352]I know what you mean. I get that same thing and I don't tip at all.[/QUOTE]Funny for me to read this as every friend I have in Angeles tips between Php2,000-3,000 based on performance and longevity.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1948309]I am sure AL2 knows what he is doing. AL2 is a veteran of AC.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dg. All the chat about ruining it for other punters by tipping more than they think is proper in my opinion does not really make sense. We all have heard / read about Koreans tipping 3 to 4 k and taking over the market. I have not met 1 girl that expected that much money for a tip. So just tip what you feel is the right amount for you.

I appreciate all the information as to how the girls think, that it is all about the money and they have boyfriends. Keep in mind that each of us can have a different experience being in AC.

I am certain many punters have more time in AC than I do. However, after 13 years, 46 visits and 300+ girls I have a pretty good idea what's up. I have visited AC, Manila, Tagaytay, Subic, Leyte, Cebu, Davao, Boracay and Palawan. I have gotten to know pinays quite well. I have sent girls to finish high school to get a job outside the bars, opened sari sari's, fixed their teeth, paid for needed doctor and dentist visits. Even paid the doctor for a mothers appendectomy. In the 'Province' you paid the $400 or she dies.

So whether I helped a girl or just BF'd her 1 night, we both had a great time.

So everyone should enjoy all that AC has to offer and spend what you can afford. A good time can be had by all.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2;1948504]Thanks Dg. All the chat about ruining it for other punters by tipping more than they think is proper in my opinion does not really make sense. We all have heard / read about Koreans tipping 3 to 4 k and taking over the market. I have not met 1 girl that expected that much money for a tip. So just tip what you feel is the right amount for you.

I appreciate all the information as to how the girls think, that it is all about the money and they have boyfriends. Keep in mind that each of us can have a different experience being in AC.

I am certain many punters have more time in AC than I do. However, after 13 years, 46 visits and 300+ girls I have a pretty good idea what's up. I have visited AC, Manila, Tagaytay, Subic, Leyte, Cebu, Davao, Boracay and Palawan. I have gotten to know pinays quite well. I have sent girls to finish high school to get a job outside the bars, opened sari sari's, fixed their teeth, paid for needed doctor and dentist visits. Even paid the doctor for a mothers appendectomy. In the 'Province' you paid the $400 or she dies.

So whether I helped a girl or just BF'd her 1 night, we both had a great time.

So everyone should enjoy all that AC has to offer and spend what you can afford. A good time can be had by all.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with you sir. I am compared to you a newbie. I have been going to AC for 2 yrs now, about 2-3 times a yr. I have BF'ed girls, met them on CL, even dated one for about a year. The Filipinos are sweethearts, but can be possessive. I actually am going to AC in two weeks, and have picked up a date on on of the dating sites. We will see how this works out. Thanks sir for your great posts.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2;1948260]Maybe I should have written I tip for performance. A GFE with an all night stay gets 1000 P. The 1500 P tip I paid was for a real beauty and the best sex I had all week. I plan on spending a few days with her on my next visit.

I am sure you are aware that some of those YOUTUBE videos are another way of getting some poor sensitive guy to send money. I know girls that are on several dating websites and a video trolling for money.[/QUOTE]No. Have a look at the podcasts carefully. There are some great podcasts where the girls give detailed insight into how the vast majority of bar girls think both inside and outside the bar. How they size up, manipulate and flatter the naive. In the podcasts I am referring to, the girls did not give any contact details of themselves personally, so obviously not asking for money. Having mongering for many decades allover Asia, I did notice that in every marketplace where western tourists overpay, the prices eventually rose to a level that squeezed out all except the overgenerous. Basic economics: "All Sellers will raise prices to what the Buyers will bear". I had a great sincere talk with a Bangkok girl recently who was complaining how she now gets so few clients. She did not realize she was getting greedy and pricing herself out of the market. I suggested she hangs around the 5 star hotels micro market instead of where she was currently doing her business. Another point, looking at the Burgos thread, I was surprised to observe that AC prices on the AC thread are now not that far off Burgos thread prices.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948352]I know what you mean. I get that same thing and I don't tip at all.[/QUOTE]Ditto, I'm not a big tipper, in AC that would translate to 0-500 depending on performance. Never had any issues. The EWR is all inclusive, and equals minimum a week's standing in some shitty provincial city mall for 100 pesos a day.

Lets face real world reality. Tipping of a random first time, never to be seen again barfine has ZERO effect on the performance of the GFE, sexual performance, length of service etc, etc.

You tip when she is LEAVING. Its over done she is walking to the jeep / trike out your door your dick is limp and satisfied.

The guys who prefer to tip zero or P250 or for long term only complaint against the supposed 'over tippers' of P1000 or more is that the girls visible disappointment at the girls final exit that they realize that that sexual prowess did not in itself rock thier world and be satisfaction in itself. Maybe it wrecks the fantasy? We are talking $10 extra here for god sakes for a girl you worked over sexually who smiled at you through the whole process at least.

Its ironic how many are willing to over pay for deteriorating western priced hotels like Lewis Grand or whichever (not to single one out -- they all fall apart) but then to complain about 'over' tippers in the lowest priced safe GFE barfine area on the earth.

Your first sentence seems like a call for lower tips. As for the poor girl who got "worked over", let me wipe my crocodile tears. She most likely traveled half way across the Philippines just for the opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that it's a poor country and most of them have a tough life.

I have mixed feelings about the tip controversy. When a gal goes back to the province with her fashionable clothing and jewelry and talks about her generous BF, I have to think this is great PR for the bar lifestyle. She may have a friend and a cousin with her on the return trip.

It may be jealousy but I'm more bothered by the punter in the bar who has six gals around him, each with a drink. The stage is empty. In that case his largesse has a direct impact on my enjoyment. But even that has unexpected consequences. I walked into a Perimeter bar just after some punter had let several gals knock back tequila shots. They were drunk and very, very naughty.

I tend to stick to tipping at the 0 to 500 range in AC, and might add more if I get pictures or if they ask for a "favor". I do have one big regret. I had a session with a gal I found especially attractive. She stayed until early afternoon and we had numerous rounds. She was a great conversationalist and I was smitten. I tipped 500. I've seen her twice since then and I never received the same good service.

Pantot, I don't think anyone is "willing" to overpay for a run down hotel. After all, we have an entire AC thread that is devoted to hotel reviews so that visitors can get the most bang for their buck. Pun intended. X.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1948700]Lets face real world reality. Tipping of a random first time, never to be seen again barfine has ZERO effect on the performance of the GFE, sexual performance, length of service etc, etc.

You tip when she is LEAVING. Its over done she is walking to the jeep / trike out your door your dick is limp and satisfied.

The guys who prefer to tip zero or P250 or for long term only complaint against the supposed 'over tippers' of P1000 or more is that the girls visible disappointment at the girls final exit that they realize that that sexual prowess did not in itself rock thier world and be satisfaction in itself. Maybe it wrecks the fantasy? We are talking $10 extra here for god sakes for a girl you worked over sexually who smiled at you through the whole process at least.

Its ironic how many are willing to over pay for deteriorating western priced hotels like Lewis Grand or whichever (not to single one out -- they all fall apart) but then to complain about 'over' tippers in the lowest priced safe GFE barfine area on the earth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1949082]Your first sentence seems like a call for lower tips. As for the poor girl who got "worked over", let me wipe my crocodile tears. She most likely traveled half way across the Philippines just for the opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that it's a poor country and most of them have a tough life.

I have mixed feelings about the tip controversy. When a gal goes back to the province with her fashionable clothing and jewelry and talks about her generous BF, I have to think this is great PR for the bar lifestyle. She may have a friend and a cousin with her on the return trip.

It may be jealousy but I'm more bothered by the punter in the bar who has six gals around him, each with a drink. The stage is empty. In that case his largesse has a direct impact on my enjoyment. But even that has unexpected consequences. I walked into a Perimeter bar just after some punter had let several gals knock back tequila shots. They were drunk and very, very naughty.

I tend to stick to tipping at the 0 to 500 range in AC, and might add more if I get pictures or if they ask for a "favor". I do have one big regret. I had a session with a gal I found especially attractive. She stayed until early afternoon and we had numerous rounds. She was a great conversationalist and I was smitten. I tipped 500. I've seen her twice since then and I never received the same good service.

Pantot, I don't think anyone is "willing" to overpay for a run down hotel. After all, we have an entire AC thread that is devoted to hotel reviews so that visitors can get the most bang for their buck. Pun intended. X.[/QUOTE]Well I think you mean my second sentence. Heheh the first was a set up.

What I was trying to address was the opposite, that overtipping somehow spoils the girls GFE or **** experience whatever.

Since the girl cannot know your tip until the barfine has concluded it cannot affect how she treats you.

Unless a monger announces his Tip in advance and I would never advise that. Its a crapshoot for both parties.

If it affects the johns ability to procure further contact and service, with that girl or her cowrkers. Well that's always been up to us a combo of game, money, promises, lack of promises etc.

An extra 500 pesos $10 usd these days one way or the other does not crush the market for cheap pussy.

That arguement always baffles me.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1948700]The guys who prefer to tip zero or P250 or for long term only complaint against the supposed 'over tippers' of P1000 or more is that the girls visible disappointment at the girls final exit that they realize that that sexual prowess did not in itself rock thier world and be satisfaction in itself. Maybe it wrecks the fantasy? We are talking $10 extra here for god sakes for a girl you worked over sexually who smiled at you through the whole process at least.

Its ironic how many are willing to over pay for deteriorating western priced hotels like Lewis Grand or whichever (not to single one out -- they all fall apart) but then to complain about 'over' tippers in the lowest priced safe GFE barfine area on the earth.[/QUOTE]Some are truly cheap charlies Pantot. Pay thousands of dollars to go there and then worry about $10 on a tip. Will scrimp on the hotel also. Yes we all have budgets (some big some small) but really this is cheap IMHO. Put yourself in their shoes. They smile, serve you and try to be nice to get an extra $10. You try it with some possible smelly old fart of a guy who is possibly drunk asking you to suck his todget, CIM etc LOL Think about it and then think "would I expect more for a tip for doing that?" LOL.

Same discussions when some posters boasted about not giving trike riders 20 pesos. If you can't afford to be decent to people who serve you well then don't go there, stay in you home country and be a cheap charlie IMHO.

ISGans, this happened to me in India, am sharing this here reason am silent follower of this forum and now thought of reciprocate something. Further I got some time now to type so here we go.

In my trip to India now, I thought of doing something new instead of regular (boring) banging. Through my trusted contact I came to know that there is virgin available and he told I can take her after testing her virginity. Anyways, I trusted him and asked for photos. Got various photos. Well she is not a model but very good looking, nice skin, hair, decent racks. Chubby face and body structure shows she should be having some belly fat aka baby belly fat. The guy wanted 40 k for her for full night which is around 600 euro. It's high. But I asked him for one night and one day and he agreed. Everything is on menu except anal. Since she is virgin, I worked out to bang her without condom and all set fine.

Double checked if she is above 18 and I told them to bring her valid original ID proof which they did.

Action day, the girl came in nice saree (traditional Indian dress. Just the dress alone is enough to bring you that mood). Wow she looked better in person than in photo. I got her ID proof, checked it and told them I will return it when she leave from place and she agreed. Now the time, man she is extremely shy. Even for a god damn kiss I have to wait patiently. After a long while managed to remove the dress and see those melons, what a sight it is!! Medium sized, fresh, tender and I put whole of that into my mouth and gave a thorough treatment. She seemed to enjoy it with half mind. And then the pussy, thoroughly shaved as agreed already. I started slowly then I just ate that pussy. She was like moaning slightly but it is natural. The smell was good. I asked her to give me blow job which she rejected, after convincing somehow managed to get one. Well, she was not enjoying it which is a bit of turn off. Time to bang. Jonny was like jumping already and I don't want to delay further, inserted me into pussy. Man. What a feel it is.

Cannot explain, it's simply priceless. As I started sliding, to know that her pussy is not that wet which is a bit of turn off. But I enjoyed the tightness. After few minutes, I realized that pussy is getting dried up further. I don't know. She is like nervous or something as it is her first time. Slight irritation in my jhony. By this time, she started moaning / screaming in mild noise. She controlled the moaning / screaming but still I could see and hear it. And probably this natural moaning is the best thing which I experienced to watch ever. As I did it rapidly, she was like stopping me (all these happened in miss position) she was pushing my stomach away from her, using her hands and I kept it above her head, have to hold it tightly I have to say. She said "please complete soon, am not able to bear, please please " (in local language) and she was like about to cry. Again. This is the first time am seeing such thing. Pure heaven. Life at its best. May be the best thing that I could remember till my life is there. I could not control now and Johnny spitted the love juice into that goddess hole. What a feel that was. During the entire act, I had to hold her tightly.

More to share in upcoming posts.

[QUOTE=RainbowLife;1949256]More to share in upcoming posts.[/QUOTE]Please don't.