FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Optimist;2229068]
My strategy is to find a club or two where I feel at home, can easily make myself known to all the girls as a regular visitor. I require enjoyment by the girl of DATY, and passionnate ((or at least pretend passionate) DFK as part of a half hour session. I then tend to do much longer sessions and repeats. [/QUOTE]Although I do not look for passion and happily relinquish and waive all rights to DFK in any session regardless of length I do employ the exact same strategy as you do with finding a home or two. Every trip I make I have repeats and there are new girls as well, never an issue with diversity and as to the clubs I really don't have an urge to build up a resume and do not give a flying fuck about the food, the hot tubs, the steam room etc. I am there for the pussy and as you say make myself known to the girls have a good reputation among them and enjoy my time. Two places and an added visit here and there to another club does the trick for me, no pun intended. Now the food, hot tubs, steams rooms and saunas are great additions to the pussy but pussy comes first, I will go where I feel I can enjoy it the most and pay market for that particular club not more, probably not less and if a tip is warranted let the girls make a little money (never an excessive one.). Although I do see to it that some appreciative Gypsies in one club are rewarded well.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229247] But yes I have to agree that Palace, Oase and Sharks are now best left for those who cannot convince themselves to travel very far from the Frankfurt area or for occasional tourists who are content to pay double or treble the norm for sometimes at best very average service.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you that all these clubs in the Frankfurt area are catered to many tourists and have the highest percent of such than other clubs in other regions. IMHO I think you are being a little harsh on the tourists in general but at the same time I understand where you are coming from having been playing in Germany much longer than myself. I am not adverse to trying out some clubs out of the area but at the same time per my strategy above in reply to Optimist I am perfectly content with not just my two homes in the Frankfurt area but the other options I still have yet to explore in Hessen in addition to non FKK options. I did however book a trip to Austria in February so I am trying! :D

I think you *might* think us tourists aren't aware of the other options out there in the NRW or down in Stuttgart and other parts of Germany but many of us are and simply choose to stick to Frankfurt. I come from far away and I can not be in Germany with frequency so I feel for my maximum enjoyment sticking to one or two places and an open mind to try a club here or there ' out of my comfort zone' is a plan that works for me.

I respect all guys styles and I think there has been a lot of darts being tossed around at each other by several folks the last few pages of this thread and there is no need. We are all there for fun. Find what works for you is my though (you being all of us).

I respect the way you monger, seems you like to have a healthy mix of clubs in Frankfurt as well as some in Stuttgart or Munich etc. Mr. Ho and Chongmal seem to enjoy going to clubs all over Germany. Optimist is a Worldy guy with a GPS set on his Queen Bianca :D

Lanthano likes to try every club one time and seems to have found his comfort zone in the RLD. Some guys seem to only like to hit the RTCs. So whose style is best??

My answer is all of the above if that monger is happy. When I first started going to Germany a fellow American I have become friendly with over time once told me ' Germany has something for everybody, have to go find it for yourself'.

I think that sums it up best.

Respectfully
KK

[QUOTE=Optimist;2229075]I look for the most beautiful. And sometimes I find them at Freude, sometimes on a street, sometimes in a big club. I only go where I can find a beautiful girl with top service, even if it has to be at Freude.

Yes. 50 for 30 GFE is available, even for me, but as you say we have to work to find it.[/QUOTE]Actually 40 for 30 minutes is still available in NRW, why should I pay more in Sharks?

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2229172]Are the outdoor facilities still open? Anyone gotten rimjobs from other girls besides Jennifer? Which CIM girls swallow? Thanks![/QUOTE]I always wonder at the usefulness of questions this specific. I suspect most of the girls do things like that on a variable basis based on the client, their mood, rate of business that night, etc. Not sure someone can give you a name and say "Gertrude will always rim for 50 euro".

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2229267]I have to agree with you that all these clubs in the Frankfurt area are catered to many tourists and have the highest percent of such than other clubs in other regions. IMHO I think you are being a little harsh on the tourists in general but at the same time I understand where you are coming from having been playing in Germany much longer than myself. I am not adverse to trying out some clubs out of the area but at the same time per my strategy above in reply to Optimist I am perfectly content with not just my two homes in the Frankfurt area but the other options I still have yet to explore in Hessen in addition to non FKK options. I did however book a trip to Austria in February so I am trying! :D[/QUOTE]You (and many others) read me incorrectly. I have nothing against tourists. In very many ways, I am one myself except for the fact that due to my air miles to Germany down through the last decade (or more) and after visiting most FKK / Sauna clubs stretching from North Rhine-Westphalia to Bavaria, I know when I am getting good value and when I am being ripped off. So lets say I frequently travel to Deutschland, as I believe you may do as well. I guess what bothers me is the fact that prices are pushing upwards and the attitude of some members in this forum towards that fact. It irks me that some appear to happily hand over two or three times the normal amount of cash required for a particular hooker service. It irks me that rip-off pricing levels are reported on this board as if this is the established norm when in reality these prices are only asked of infrequent club visitors or tourists. Locals or those with stammgast (regular customer) credentials are not asked to pay these prices. In my opinion it should be the purpose of this board to advise members (whether they be regular or infrequent travelers to FKK-Land) that there is better value (and better service) to be had by avoiding places like Palace, Sharks and perhaps Oase (at least for the time being) and heading an hour up the road to Giessen or two hours up the road to Cologne or three hours up the road to Dusseldorf. The amount of money you may save will at least recompense for the extra travel cost and maybe leave a few dollars / euros more in your pocket. If the current pricing trend catches hold it will not be long until members are paying Swiss prices all over Germany and the ladies in the Frankfurt Mega-clubs will be charging Euro 100 for each and every half hour in the zimmer!

Lets keep it real and lets call out those who are taking advantage of less frequent visitors.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229294]You (and many others) read me incorrectly. I have nothing against tourists. In very many ways, I am one myself except for the fact that due to my air miles to Germany down through the last decade (or more) and after visiting most FKK / Sauna clubs stretching from North Rhine-Westphalia to Bavaria, I know when I am getting good value and when I am being ripped off. So lets say I frequently travel to Deutschland, as I believe you may do as well. I guess what bothers me is the fact that prices are pushing upwards and the attitude of some members in this forum towards that fact. It irks me that some appear to happily hand over two or three times the normal amount of cash required for a particular hooker service. It irks me that rip-off pricing levels are reported on this board as if this is the established norm when in reality these prices are only asked of infrequent club visitors or tourists. Locals or those with stammgast (regular customer) credentials are not asked to pay these prices. In my opinion it should be the purpose of this board to advise members (whether they be regular or infrequent travelers to FKK-Land) that there is better value (and better service) to be had by avoiding places like Palace, Sharks and perhaps Oase (at least for the time being) and heading an hour up the road to Giessen or two hours up the road to Cologne or three hours up the road to Dusseldorf. The amount of money you may save will at least recompense for the extra travel cost and maybe leave a few dollars / euros more in your pocket.[/QUOTE]In keeping to your philosophy I will try my best to keep them to regular prices when I go next week. Got any tips for getting them to stick to regular prices?

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229247]But yes I have to agree that Palace, Oase and Sharks are now best left for those who cannot convince themselves to travel very far from the Frankfurt area or for occasional tourists who are content to pay double or treble the norm for sometimes at best very average service.[/QUOTE]Der Auslnder, we met once at Sharks via a mutual friend. This mutual friend used to do NRW and Frankfurt, but in recent years has restricted himself to primarily Sharks and Oase. Earlier this summer, I also bumped into one of the most prolific Oase posters of yesteryear in a NRW club. If I recall correctly, he had one enjoyable session, and another average session. But nothing to impress him enough to the point he would make NRW his home base for German mongering. I can name at least five other experienced mongers who monger in both NRW and Frankfurt, but prefer Frankfurt. The common denominator amongst these Frankfurt afficionados is that they are not 50 EUR guys. Or if you break down their sessions, I suspect only about 0-20 percent of their rooms are 50 EUR/30 min rooms.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2229269]Actually 40 for 30 minutes is still available in NRW, why should I pay more in Sharks?[/QUOTE]A common sentiment amongst the Frankfurt aficionados is that they simply prefer the optics at Oase and Sharks.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229294] It irks me that some appear to happily hand over two or three times the normal amount of cash required for a particular hooker service. It irks me that rip-off pricing levels are reported on this board as if this is the established norm when in reality these prices are only asked of infrequent club visitors or tourists. Locals or those with stammgast (regular customer) credentials are not asked to pay these prices. In my opinion it should be the purpose of this board to advise members (whether they be regular or infrequent travelers to FKK-Land) that there is better value (and better service) to be had by avoiding places like Palace, Sharks and perhaps Oase (at least for the time being) and heading an hour up the road to Giessen or two hours up the road to Cologne or three hours up the road to Dusseldorf. The amount of money you may save will at least recompense for the extra travel cost and maybe leave a few dollars / euros more in your pocket. If the current pricing trend catches hold it will not be long until members are paying Swiss prices all over Germany and the ladies in the Frankfurt Mega-clubs will be charging Euro 100 for each and every half hour in the zimmer!

Lets keep it real and lets call out those who are taking advantage of less frequent visitors.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I think many visitors to FKK Clubs and I have met some in clubs have never heard of ISG and found the club thru google searches so we are really here talking among ourselves and collectively we make up a small percentage of visitors as others have pointed out this forum has little impact on pricing. I think the ones taking advantage are the girls in many cases and it comes down to ' vote with your dollars' as we say here so I guess ' vote with your Euros' is a better word. Yes, heading elsewhere (as you are) and / or picking lower hanging fruits than the Precious Princesses is also an option. Many ways to fight the pricing. I think I read a post today somewhere even in the NRW girls were asking more for the extras (unless I saw that on another board? Nothing wrong with pointing out other options, you are correct it is one of the many purposes of this board and many other boards in the P6 world. Discussion is always a good thing. Readers can process all in front of them and take the ball and run with it the best they can.

On another note I was told of a ' Sharks Pact' an agreement that isn't realistic to enforce as there are so many girls not all will stick to it and that pact is really the upper end girls basically saying if they can't get a guy to the room for 100 be it a one hour or a half w extras than shuffle him in and out quick. This is simply what a former Shark many now elsewhere told me, as I said I haven't been to Sharks to even play ball with them recently but will see in a month or two how it goes there. She did tell me the 'exception' (along the lines of your stammgast comment) are regulars of these girls they are ' permitted' to grandfather their rolodex boyz and charge them what they want and give up the shop, but newbies and unknown faces are supposed to be squeezed and not given full time. I believe this girl when she says this pact exists but I do not think it can be enforced as there will always be cheaters thus the reason she is elsewhere now making more, still plenty girls (as you seem to find) giving up great deals for 50 or 100 so I do think guys should fight harder and not cave in so quick or simply jump to the next girl. I have heard from others of a similar pact at oase. Mainhatten certainly has one but even that wall can be cracked.

I think there is also another dynamic in play not talked about that I will toss out there in to the mix. Several other Americans many not on this board I talk to are reporting increased prices and / or decreased service levels in Thailand, Brazil, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, parts of SE Asia and elsewhere; all popular monger destinations. I have no clue if Germany is ' immune' to such given the massive influx of readily available eastern European ladies but perhaps prices are on the rise worldwide regardless of location. To be determined.

All we can do is react and try our best.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229294]You (and many others) read me incorrectly. I have nothing against tourists. In very many ways, I am one myself except for the fact that due to my air miles to Germany down through the last decade (or more) and after visiting most FKK / Sauna clubs stretching from North Rhine-Westphalia to Bavaria, I know when I am getting good value and when I am being ripped off. So lets say I frequently travel to Deutschland, as I believe you may do as well. I guess what bothers me is the fact that prices are pushing upwards and the attitude of some members in this forum towards that fact. It irks me that some appear to happily hand over two or three times the normal amount of cash required for a particular hooker service. It irks me that rip-off pricing levels are reported on this board as if this is the established norm when in reality these prices are only asked of infrequent club visitors or tourists. Locals or those with stammgast (regular customer) credentials are not asked to pay these prices. In my opinion it should be the purpose of this board to advise members (whether they be regular or infrequent travelers to FKK-Land) that there is better value (and better service) to be had by avoiding places like Palace, Sharks and perhaps Oase (at least for the time being) and heading an hour up the road to Giessen or two hours up the road to Cologne or three hours up the road to Dusseldorf..[/QUOTE]I am likely going to have a car next time, so I am curious for recommendations (although I feel like I must visit Dietz for the experience, just once.) FKK World in Giessen was on my list- where else would you recommend. Although, hard to leave the Ro lovelies at Sharks behind.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2229297]In keeping to your philosophy I will try my best to keep them to regular prices when I go next week. Got any tips for getting them to stick to regular prices?[/QUOTE]My advice is to enjoy yourself. If you are not a regular customer you will have great difficulty in Sharks, Oase or Palace keeping the girls to regular prices particularly for 30 minute sessions.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2229310]Der Auslnder, we met once at Sharks via a mutual friend. This mutual friend used to do NRW and Frankfurt, but in recent years has restricted himself to primarily Sharks and Oase. Earlier this summer, I also bumped into one of the most prolific Oase posters of yesteryear in a NRW club. If I recall correctly, he had one enjoyable session, and another average session. But nothing to impress him enough to the point he would make NRW his home base for German mongering. I can name at least five other experienced mongers who monger in both NRW and Frankfurt, but prefer Frankfurt. The common denominator amongst these Frankfurt afficionados is that they are not 50 EUR guys. Or if you break down their sessions, I suspect only about 0-20 percent of their rooms are 50 EUR/30 min rooms.[/QUOTE]Yes [B]McAdonis[/B], I remember well meeting you and good to hear from you! The irony of this discussion is that I too have been mostly unaffected by these rip-off prices when in Frankfurt, simply because like the aficionados you mention, I seldom go to the room for less than an hour and normally for a lot longer. I would say to you that not every monger requires a mega-club with over 100 hookers to have a good time. Some of us are content with a smaller number of girls and a higher level of service and the requirement to bargain for these services much less necessary!

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2229316]Unfortunately I think many visitors to FKK Clubs and I have met some in clubs have never heard of ISG and found the club thru google searches so we are really here talking among ourselves and collectively we make up a small percentage of visitors as others have pointed out this forum has little impact on pricing. I think the ones taking advantage are the girls in many cases and it comes down to ' vote with your dollars' as we say here so I guess ' vote with your Euros' is a better word. Yes, heading elsewhere (as you are) and / or picking lower hanging fruits than the Precious Princesses is also an option. Many ways to fight the pricing. I think I read a post today somewhere even in the NRW girls were asking more for the extras (unless I saw that on another board? Nothing wrong with pointing out other options, you are correct it is one of the many purposes of this board and many other boards in the P6 world. Discussion is always a good thing. Readers can process all in front of them and take the ball and run with it the best they can.[/QUOTE]I am sure you are correct that this Board has limited impact on pricing but it should have a tone (and set an example) and that tone should not be to pay the hooker all your cash! At least not if you can possibly avoid this outcome. This is the [b]International Sex Guide[/b] after all and not the Catholic Little Sisters of the Poor Mouth Charity Guide for Helping Hookers. No this Board should be about advising Members about getting good value from their trip to FKK-Land. Maybe advising Members to give Sharks a miss and to head to FKK World or Sauna Club GoldenTime instead! Maybe Members should be advised to head for FKK Globe in Zurich where yes you pay bigger money for 30 minutes but you have a fantastic collection of supermodel hookers to choose from.

I guess what I am saying is that we are talking about FKK-Land or Germany which is the richest country in the EU. Prices in FKK-Land for hooker services could easily double overnight. They are already double (or more than double) in many EU countries and only held down in Germany by the preponderance of Romanian / Bulgarian hookers who are tentatively based in the country. Four hours down the road (in Zurich) prices are already double. We should try to avoid this costly outcome because it makes it more expensive for us to enjoy our hobby. Lets keep paying the girls but maybe not so much so quickly! :D

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229328] They are already double (or more than double) in many EU countries and only held down in Germany by the preponderance of Romanian / Bulgarian hookers who are tentatively based in the country.

Lets keep paying the girls but maybe not so much so quickly! :D[/QUOTE]Sounds like in the EU same thing as many parts world, prices went up. The mass number of Romanian / Bulgarians you mention is why I am wondering if Germany has some kind of a ' temporary immunity' to the price increases of double in the other countries. You mention tentatively in the country, is there anything going on in the EU that may change that? Are my Gypsies going to be deported.

Good thing Trump isn't the Chancellor! :D

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2229332]Sounds like in the EU same thing as many parts world, prices went up. The mass number of Romanian / Bulgarians you mention is why I am wondering if Germany has some kind of a ' temporary immunity' to the price increases of double in the other countries. You mention tentatively in the country, is there anything going on in the EU that may change that? Are my Gypsies going to be deported.

Good thing Trump isn't the Chancellor! :D[/QUOTE]I don't think any Romanian or Bulgarian ladies will be deported from Germany in the near future! The rise of the far-right has not been that significant here [B]yet[/B]! My concern would be further changes to the prostitution laws (in Germany) which could easily have a dramatic impact on pricing. I believe the new laws have already had a significant impact and are partially why we are seeing an upwards movement in current pricing. IMO the situation will definitely get worse. I'm just hoping that this will be later rather than sooner!

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2229297]In keeping to your philosophy I will try my best to keep them to regular prices when I go next week. Got any tips for getting them to stick to regular prices?[/QUOTE]First and foremost, you must say no crazy offers. As soon as you agree to pay something crazy to one girl, word will quickly spread like wildfire among the girls that "such-and-such dumb tourist just paid me $X for a short room. " Then, all of the girls, especially the sharky ones, will start harassing you and expect the same exorbitant sums from you.

Absent befriending some guys who know the lay of the land as guides (easy to do), your best strategy is to simply hold your ground. You may find a couple girls not willing to go to the room with you at standard rates, but in most cases, had you went with those sharky girls, you would have probably regretted the experience in any case. As you gain more experience, you will become more attuned to the sharky girl red flags and increase your success of finding the good apples of the bunch.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2229349]First and foremost, you must say no crazy offers. As soon as you agree to pay something crazy to one girl, word will quickly spread like wildfire among the girls that "such-and-such dumb tourist just paid me $X for a short room. " Then, all of the girls, especially the sharky ones, will start harassing you and expect the same exorbitant sums from you.

Absent befriending some guys who know the lay of the land as guides (easy to do), your best strategy is to simply hold your ground. You may find a couple girls not willing to go to the room with you at standard rates, but in most cases, had you went with those sharky girls, you would have probably regretted the experience in any case. As you gain more experience, you will become more attuned to the sharky girl red flags and increase your success of finding the good apples of the bunch.[/QUOTE]Sound advice!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2229315]A common sentiment amongst the Frankfurt aficionados is that they simply prefer the optics at Oase and Sharks.[/QUOTE]For my fFench eyes and for love in bed, since September 2016 , I really meet prettier and higher level to make love in bed, at GT, YY and LR, than at Sharks or Oase, and for only 50 per 30 mn and no extra asked. From May 2015 to September 2016 , I was at Sharks every week end, sometimes twice on week end, on Summer 2014 I was every week end at Oase, but when You are not interested just to be sucked and fuck, or to be fucked by low level upselling girls, but You prefer smart girls, even sometimes they change, but NRW is since 2 years higher level potential for my demanding, but I may be much more demanding than average, so when I find a attractive look with smart behavior = not speaking about money, then I behave to create her to become my GF in bed and sometimes even out of the room.

Only Florentina and top class T. Had this level since October 2017, for my visits at Sharks and Oase. Palace is higher potential for women for my eyes. Oase and for many girls at Sharks, are little girls land, but when You like women, NRW is usually more interesting, and woman types are less expensive than little girls who think they worth Globe rate, when they would be just ridiculous compare to some Globe girls. At Globe, when I pay 260€ per hour, I only go with very excellence, reason why I don t go with Megan now even Globe was my present for her and she seems to have a better life now, but I always think I would be happy to find many Globe girls I don t go with for Globe rate, but in Germany I would run and I know they are lovely.

Sharks and Oase are second choice for casting for me. Quantity never made quality. Touristic level now, even can sometimes find a rare now, good girl.