Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2739696]IMHO 80% or more of punters would avoid BBFS first up due to the risk of a bad health outcome.[/QUOTE]My guess is that many punters have a choice of BBFS or no FS at all.

Before age 64 years, I always wore a condom for FS with a pro. As I got older I become unable to complete multiple pops per day with a condom. My first pop was always covered and my second pop either didn't happen or it would be BB. As I age further, it is more and more difficult to use a condom, even for the first pop of the day. I will go BBFS when available and needed. I expect that soon I will be unable to use a condom at all, even if only 1 pop per week. BBBJ to completion seldom works for me. A HJ is just masturbation and of no interest to me.

After a BBFS session I always piss and thoroughly wash. After that I drink caffeine and that makes me piss even more. I still worry about STDs so I regularly get tested. About 10 days ago I got tested for 8 different potential problems, each was negative. I'll get tested multiple times during my next Thailand trip. I've also had a vasectomy, which I recommend for all those who do BBFS.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739087]Virtually every expat and visiting punter I have met over the years is looking for BBFS+CIP and where to buy it from the moment they hit the airport arrival area..[/QUOTE]Uh, well very few of the expats or regular I know are interested in BBFS and honestly I don't know anyone who has to creampie a girl to be satisfied. I firmly believe that those folks including yourself are in the minority.

The majority of hobbyists want to have a good time and stay healthy as quite a few have relationships where they come from or here and have enough concern for their partner to keep them healthy as well.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2739707]My guess is that many punters have a choice of BBFS or no FS at all.

Before age 64 years, I always wore a condom for FS with a pro. As I got older I become unable to complete multiple pops per day with a condom. My first pop was always covered and my second pop either didn't happen or it would be BB. As I age further, it is more and more difficult to use a condom, even for the first pop of the day. I will go BBFS when available and needed. I expect that soon I will be unable to use a condom at all, even if only 1 pop per week. BBBJ to completion seldom works for me. A HJ is just masturbation and of no interest to me.

After a BBFS session I always piss and thoroughly wash. After that I drink caffeine and that makes me piss even more. I still worry about STDs so I regularly get tested. About 10 days ago I got tested for 8 different potential problems, each was negative. I'll get tested multiple times during my next Thailand trip. I've also had a vasectomy, which I recommend for all those who do BBFS.[/QUOTE]Well I am not debating that sensation lessons as we get older there are many things that we can do to lessen this issue. Making sure we are in good shape, eating well, not smoking, minimizing drinking, and taking care of our bodies in the best way we can. Yes, if you're overweight, out of shape, eat poorly, drink, and smoke you're going to have significantly less sensation as you age. I know lots of guys in their late 50's, 60's, and even 70's who can finish twice a day or more using a condom. In addition the right condom with plenty of lubricant inside is fantastic and almost no loss of sensation whatsoever.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2739696]There is no way. I would think less than 10% to 20% do what you do. That is bang every girl without a condom.

Most of us that live in BKK probably have done it occassionally or have a regular that we have known for a while and have stopped bagging up with her.

IMHO 80% or more of punters would avoid BBFS first up due to the risk of a bad health outcome.[/QUOTE]Agree with your analysis 100%.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2739728]In addition the right condom with plenty of lubricant inside is fantastic and almost no loss of sensation whatsoever.[/QUOTE]Lube inside the condom helps a lot. It's often difficult to explain to the girl that lube needs to be on the inside. In February I found a Soi 24 girl who wouldn't allow lube on the inside, I didn't understand her reasoning. That same week I found another girl on Soi 7 who explained that different lubes should be on the inside versus the outside. Of course, the 2nd girl felt better.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2739736]Lube inside the condom helps a lot. It's often difficult to explain to the girl that lube needs to be on the inside. In February I found a Soi 24 girl who wouldn't allow lube on the inside, I didn't understand her reasoning. That same week I found another girl on Soi 7 who explained that different lubes should be on the inside versus the outside. Of course, the 2nd girl felt better.[/QUOTE]It's a huge difference and it also helps prevent breakage. I found some confused looks at times myself, but when I explain to them that it helps to keep it from breaking they're quite amenable. I've found the Skyn condoms to be quite good. The L is a 56 and can be ordered online. I've also seen them available at Southeast pharmacy on the corner of Suk soi 15.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2739707]My guess is that many punters have a choice of BBFS or no FS at all.

Before age 64 years, I always wore a condom for FS with a pro. As I got older I become unable to complete multiple pops per day with a condom. My first pop was always covered and my second pop either didn't happen or it would be BB. As I age further, it is more and more difficult to use a condom, even for the first pop of the day. I will go BBFS when available and needed. I expect that soon I will be unable to use a condom at all, even if only 1 pop per week. BBBJ to completion seldom works for me. A HJ is just masturbation and of no interest to me.[/QUOTE]There is a lot of truth in this. Being of advanced years myself, I find it is becoming more and more difficult to finish to completion with a condom. This often nowadays means aborting and finishing with a BBBJ. I avoid BBFS for health reasons (not just for myself, but also for my partner) unless it is with one of my regular girls who I already know well. This is one of the unfortunate realities of old age, however, it has made me realize the importance of using the best condom available. And after much research and experimentation I do find that the ultra-thin condoms on the market do make a big difference. So there is hope yet for a few more years of fun.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2739601]I have been coming to Thailand for over a decade and have met plenty of punters along the way. I have no doubt that there are a ton of guys looking for BBFS and I have partaken myself on the odd drunken night with a gogo girl or two,[b] but to say that everyone is hunting for it all the time and that these girls need to offer it as a standard is madness.[/b] The vast majority are practicing safe sex, and it tends to be the older guys or the ladies who struggle for work that are offering it up when someone throws extra money their way. Generally you need to be a regular of the girls, and even then I have to question WTF is wrong with you that you would even want this in the first place.

Who wants to be the 4th or 5th guy that day to stick his dick in a bird working in a knock shop when other guys have been leaving loads in her? Good god man.

You have an odd view that is not shared by most people, especially ones who would prefer to remain healthy.[/QUOTE]Yes, it would be madness to assert such a thing. I'm glad I didn't. Who here did, BTW?

To recap on the topic I was contributing to; not one other punter here has the slightest idea what the Snow White folks could do differently to drum up enough new customer traffic and make enough money for themselves and the girls to justify re-opening.

Except me.

And most posters here seem to think following my suggestion will tear the earth apart and cause chaos in the solar system if not the universe. OK.

So, Snow White folks, if you are reading this, don't bother re-opening. We've got nothing. Save your money and open another Cannabis shop instead.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2739696]There is no way. I would think less than 10% to 20% do what you do. That is bang every girl without a condom.

Most of us that live in BKK probably have done it occassionally or have a regular that we have known for a while and have stopped bagging up with her.

IMHO 80% or more of punters would avoid BBFS first up due to the risk of a bad health outcome.[/QUOTE]Pulling percentages out of the air regarding all expats and punters arriving in Thailand is fun. But, as has been stated, it is only a guess.

However, as you see in your quote of me, I was only referring to "virtually every expat and visiting punter I have met over the years. " Of them, dozens, I can only say that when they tell me the girl they took last night agreed to BBFS+CIP, it sure sounds like they finally struck the gold they bought a flight ticket to find.

So far, I have never heard one say anything like, "dammit, that girl I took last night ruined the whole session by forcing me to go bareback. I didn't come here for that"!

On the other hand, several have stated they aborted the mission with this or that lady and had to switch to BJ or HJ because she insisted on a condom for FS. Seems to me the main reason any of them bother to repeat a girl, and many times at that, is because she gave him BBFS+CIP.

So, conclude from that what you will.

Now, even I can't extrapolate that to mean every expat and punter I have met must have BBFS+CIP and only that with every girl they take or their trip is ruined. They can certainly achieve a steady stream of it. But that does not mean it must be that exclusively every time. No more than anyone can extrapolate from what I post that I am getting BBFS+CIP from every girl I meet, want, take, whatever and it must be that exclusively every time. I like BBBJ+CIM, too.

Far from it in my case. I don't think any other poster here has owned up to as many rejections and refusals on BBFS+CIP as I have. I am nowhere near the "75% - 100%" guys who post about such success rates on the Thai forums.

Now, as long as we're playing percentage guessing games, I will still return to only the dozens of expats and visiting punters I have met and known here and state that, excluding the few guys I have met through ISG, only one has ever even heard of places like Snow White, Tulip and Mango. And that one fellow punter only heard of Snow White. He was a fan of the place and would go there every 2-3 days, always repeating the same girl every time. Why? It turns out it was because she agreed to BBFS+CIP with him.

Interestingly, I will also state that of all the expats and visiting punters I have met and known here, including the few guys I have met through ISG, only 1 ever mentioned being remotely interested in scoring and smoking some weed while he was here.

Therefore, if someone had told me three months ago that within 90 days there will be more pop up tables, street carts, trucks and shops openly selling cannabis / weed throughout Thailand than all of the so-called PSE Happy Ending Sex Shops that ever existed in the tourist areas of Bangkok and Pattaya combined, including a booth set up for it on the ground floor of Terminal 21 Mall just a few weeks ago in a Farm Products promotion weekend, by golly I might have said there is no way that would happen and that such an assertion was madness.

And I would have been wrong.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739853]Pulling percentages out of the air regarding all expats and punters arriving in Thailand is fun. But, as has been stated, it is only a guess.

However, as you see in your quote of me, I was only referring to "virtually every expat and visiting punter I have met over the years. " Of them, dozens, I can only say that when they tell me the girl they took last night agreed to BBFS+CIP, it sure sounds like they finally struck the gold they bought a flight ticket to find.

So far, I have never heard one say anything like, "dammit, that girl I took last night ruined the whole session by forcing me to go bareback. I didn't come here for that"!

On the other hand, several have stated they aborted the mission with this or that lady and had to switch to BJ or HJ because she insisted on a condom for FS. Seems to me the main reason any of them bother to repeat a girl, and many times at that, is because she gave him BBFS+CIP.

So, conclude from that what you will.

Now, even I can't extrapolate that to mean every expat and punter I have met must have BBFS+CIP and only that with every girl they take or their trip is ruined. They can certainly achieve a steady stream of it. But that does not mean it must be that exclusively every time. No more than anyone can extrapolate from what I post that I am getting BBFS+CIP from every girl I meet, want, take, whatever and it must be that exclusively every time. I like BBBJ+CIM, too.

Far from it in my case. I don't think any other poster here has owned up to as many rejections and refusals on BBFS+CIP as I have. I am nowhere near the "75% - 100%" guys who post about such success rates on the Thai forums.

Now, as long as we're playing percentage guessing games, I will still return to only the dozens of expats and visiting punters I have met and known here and state that, excluding the few guys I have met through ISG, only one has ever even heard of places like Snow White, Tulip and Mango. And that one fellow punter only heard of Snow White. He was a fan of the place and would go there every 2-3 days, always repeating the same girl every time. Why? It turns out it was because she agreed to BBFS+CIP with him.

Interestingly, I will also state that of all the expats and visiting punters I have met and known here, including the few guys I have met through ISG, only 1 ever mentioned being remotely interested in scoring and smoking some weed while he was here.

Therefore, if someone had told me three months ago that within 90 days there will be more pop up tables, street carts, trucks and shops openly selling cannabis / weed throughout Thailand than all of the so-called PSE Happy Ending Sex Shops that ever existed in the tourist areas of Bangkok and Pattaya combined, including a booth set up for it on the ground floor of Terminal 21 Mall just a few weeks ago in a Farm Products promotion weekend, by golly I might have said there is no way that would happen and that such an assertion was madness.

And I would have been wrong.[/QUOTE]I just come back Europe after 2 months in Thailand! Again during this 2 months, I can confirm I didn't use any condom! I fuck everywhere, in Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, and even North Thailand and girls never ask me to put a condom. And when they ask me if I've a condom, I say I'm sorry I forgot to buy. And then I say I'm ready to pay them 500 or 1000 more and they totally agree. No problem for them. I think Thai ladies insist on condoms with Indians or Arabic or even their Thai boyfriends. But me I never got any problem.

Only 1 girl whose name is YO (something like that) I met in Sapphire Pattaya, wanted I put a condom because she told me she has a european boyfriend from Germany I think. And she told me she fuck only with him without condom. At the beginning I was really disappointed because I'm never horny with a condom and I remember this girl was expensive. I paid her 3000 for ST + 1000 BF + Maybe about 1000 for lady drinks. And in my room, I tried fuck her with a condom but like I said it was not possible for me to be horny and she was fucking sexy! Big silicone boobs, I loved to lick her pussy and she loves that too! And finally after I asked her to take off the condom and the, she told me OK for 5000 more! Finally we negociate for 3000 more and she has to stay with me all night! And she was so happy! She say YES and she let me fuck her like I want bareback and let me do a CIP.

Then we sleep, in the morning I like to wake up early around 7 am for breakfast in hotel. I proposed her to come with me but she wanted to sleep. And after 1 h breakfast, I go back my room around 8 am and she was still sleeping. I take my clothes and go back again in bed. I started to kiss her, to touch her big boobs and pussy. And then I opened her legs to fuck her, and she was OK with that! I just asked her if she was OK I fuck her when sleeps and she told me OK but she wanted I come quickly! So I just fucked her in missionnary during 5 good minutes and I came inside her pussy and I gave a DFK. She just asked me if I finished. I said YES. I told her I go take a shower again. She say OK and finally she stayed sleeping in bed 1 h more with my sperm inside her! It was so good! I don't regret all the money I spent for her in 1 night!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2740030]Only 1 girl whose name is YO (something like that) I met in Sapphire Pattaya, wanted I put a condom because she told me she has a european boyfriend from Germany I think. And she told me she fuck only with him without condom. At the beginning I was really disappointed because I'm never horny with a condom and I remember this girl was expensive. I paid her 3000 for ST + 1000 BF + Maybe about 1000 for lady drinks. And in my room, I tried fuck her with a condom but like I said it was not possible for me to be horny and she was fucking sexy! Big silicone boobs, I loved to lick her pussy and she loves that too! And finally after I asked her to take off the condom and the, she told me OK for 5000 more! Finally we negociate for 3000 more and she has to stay with me all night! And she was so happy! She say YES and she let me fuck her like I want bareback and let me do a CIP.[/QUOTE]I use this tip method to get all sorts of extras. For example.

Me: Do you do anal / allow photos / CIM / etc / etc?

Girl: No I would never do that.

Me: How about for a tip?

Girl: I would try it for $xxx.

Negotiate it from there.

I have found you can negotiate whatever fllthy kinky desire you want with a Thai girl for a relatively small amount and she will be happy after because she has earned a bit extra.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739853]Pulling percentages out of the air regarding all expats and punters arriving in Thailand is fun. But, as has been stated, it is only a guess.

However, as you see in your quote of me, I was only referring to "virtually every expat and visiting punter I have met over the years. " Of them, dozens, I can only say that when they tell me the girl they took last night agreed to BBFS+CIP, it sure sounds like they finally struck the gold they bought a flight ticket to find.

So far, I have never heard one say anything like, "dammit, that girl I took last night ruined the whole session by forcing me to go bareback. I didn't come here for that"!

On the other hand, several have stated they aborted the mission with this or that lady and had to switch to BJ or HJ because she insisted on a condom for FS. Seems to me the main reason any of them bother to repeat a girl, and many times at that, is because she gave him BBFS+CIP.

So, conclude from that what you will.

Now, even I can't extrapolate that to mean every expat and punter I have met must have BBFS+CIP and only that with every girl they take or their trip is ruined. They can certainly achieve a steady stream of it. But that does not mean it must be that exclusively every time. No more than anyone can extrapolate from what I post that I am getting BBFS+CIP from every girl I meet, want, take, whatever and it must be that exclusively every time. I like BBBJ+CIM, too.

Far from it in my case. I don't think any other poster here has owned up to as many rejections and refusals on BBFS+CIP as I have. I am nowhere near the "75% - 100%" guys who post about such success rates on the Thai forums.

Now, as long as we're playing percentage guessing games, I will still return to only the dozens of expats and visiting punters I have met and known here and state that, excluding the few guys I have met through ISG, only one has ever even heard of places like Snow White, Tulip and Mango. And that one fellow punter only heard of Snow White. He was a fan of the place and would go there every 2-3 days, always repeating the same girl every time. Why? It turns out it was because she agreed to BBFS+CIP with him.

Interestingly, I will also state that of all the expats and visiting punters I have met and known here, including the few guys I have met through ISG, only 1 ever mentioned being remotely interested in scoring and smoking some weed while he was here.

Therefore, if someone had told me three months ago that within 90 days there will be more pop up tables, street carts, trucks and shops openly selling cannabis / weed throughout Thailand than all of the so-called PSE Happy Ending Sex Shops that ever existed in the tourist areas of Bangkok and Pattaya combined, including a booth set up for it on the ground floor of Terminal 21 Mall just a few weeks ago in a Farm Products promotion weekend, by golly I might have said there is no way that would happen and that such an assertion was madness.

And I would have been wrong.[/QUOTE]And when we read posts like this we don't need to wonder why the locals here don't want foreign men fishing in their pond. And why so many establishments in Japan are off limits to foreigners. And honestly, this takes the best looking girls available off the table. Every time I go in the Go-Go's which has been a couple times in the past month I'm pretty horrified by what I see. Even in the supposed better establishments. Guess I understand why those girls feel the need to provide BBFS at this point.

I guess the men I know here are quite a bit different than the men you know, as the vast majority of them use condoms for intercourse not only for their own health because they respect the health of the girls and the punters that are going to come after them. This is especially true of local punters and from those I know Asian punters in general including East Asians and South Asians. When one uses the local online services, worries about STDs are in many ways minimized because if you get a reputation for trying to get BBFS then you're going to get blacklisted. As I stated before, I for one am very comfortable with this and think it's great.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2740104]And when we read posts like this we don't need to wonder why the locals here don't want foreign men fishing in their pond. And why so many establishments in Japan are off limits to foreigners. And honestly, this takes the best looking girls available off the table. Every time I go in the Go-Go's which has been a couple times in the past month I'm pretty horrified by what I see. Even in the supposed better establishments. Guess I understand why those girls feel the need to provide BBFS at this point.

I guess the men I know here are quite a bit different than the men you know, as the vast majority of them use condoms for intercourse not only for their own health because they respect the health of the girls and the punters that are going to come after them. This is especially true of local punters and from those I know Asian punters in general including East Asians and South Asians. When one uses the local online services, worries about STDs are in many ways minimized because if you get a reputation for trying to get BBFS then you're going to get blacklisted. As I stated before, I for one am very comfortable with this and think it's great.[/QUOTE]You're not really trying to suggest that in the Good Old Days you rhapsodise about having all those beautiful gogo bargirls that all came to a screeching halt about 10 years ago all the punters were wearing condoms, even the very old dudes you envied way back when because they had the hottest of the hot girls available?

Seriously?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2740103]I use this tip method to get all sorts of extras. For example.

Me: Do you do anal / allow photos / CIM / etc / etc?

Girl: No I would never do that.

Me: How about for a tip?

Girl: I would try it for $xxx.

Negotiate it from there.

I have found you can negotiate whatever filthy kinky desire you want with a Thai girl for a relatively small amount and she will be happy after because she has earned a bit extra.[/QUOTE]Of course. It was always so even with the hottest girls in the business, including for BBFS+CIP, as long you are willing to negotiate longer and pay enough extra. Things I admit I have only so much patience for these days considering the likely result.

It might not go that way with every punter and with every girl. But certainly with every girl for some punters.

The latter statements being so because, as in the pre 2010 Good Old Days of supposedly mostly beautiful Thai hookers as well as today with mostly "horrorfying" gogo girls even in the top rated bars (according to some), the best lookers can easily choose to go with and fuck devoted condom wearing customers who will pay them their asking rate and more any day or night.

No above average looking Thai hooker and certainly no stunner needs to say Yes to anything you, Gilolo, I or any other expat or visiting punter I know or don't know asks of them for the money.

For other reasons maybe. But not just for the money.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2740104]I guess the men I know here are quite a bit different than the men you know, as the vast majority of them use condoms for intercourse not only for their own health because they respect the health of the girls and the punters that are going to come after them. [/QUOTE]It's weird how no condom use has become normalized on this board. Based on actually talking to people, I suspect it's just a few individuals here posting relentlessly, not a representative cross section of mongers.

This practice is indeed reckless and harmful to the girls and fellow mongers. I don't expect it to ever stop entirely, but it certainly shouldn't be normalized.

Thailand had a huge AIDS problem in the 1990's, with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. While not a death sentence anymore (to those who can afford and stick to treatment), it's still life-changing, expensive and highly unpleasant. Antibiotic-resistant STDs are no the rise too. Many thanks, BBFS people.