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[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2229335]I don't think any Romanian or Bulgarian ladies will be deported from Germany in the near future! The rise of the far-right has not been that significant here [B]yet[/B]! My concern would be further changes to the prostitution laws (in Germany) which could easily have a dramatic impact on pricing. I believe the new laws have already had a significant impact and are partially why we are seeing an upwards movement in current pricing. IMO the situation will definitely get worse. I'm just hoping that this will be later rather than sooner![/QUOTE]It is completely illegal, every European citizen has the right to live in the country of his choice. The prices are rising and the offer is decreasing, less young and fresh girls entering the P6 scene due to the new law but not only, better economical situation reduce the number of desperate girls. Compare to 3 or 10 years back the things have completely changed, less christian senior client more Asian and guys who don't eat pork, as a result less demanding customers for the girls, no kissing. But also more 30 minutes rooms which is putting some stress for the girls who can t have sex 15 times every day.
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Der Auslander. Well said. However small the impact of this forum, it has a tone, and the tone should not be to pour money for bad service. Especially as many girls and owners check these forums. We owe it to newbie visitors reading this thread to tell them about the fact that they will be ripped off if they let themselves be. If the customers choose to pay the prices asked then that is up to them, but at least we should tell them in advance of the ripoff behaviour so they can make their own informed decisions. So I make no apology for campaigning about this in the Sharks thread.
UH, KK, HS all also make excellent points.
So for newbies.
1. Remember each individual girl needs your money more than you need her. Saying no is easy when a girl has so little respect that she sees you only as a wallet and no a person.
2. If you can't get what you want, go to another club (of course if you go for the size and optics of Sharks there are not so many other options).
3. Consider the possibility that paying inflated prices leads to further inflation and you may price yourself out, even in the short term as UH implies.
4. Show the girls you are experienced, and a regular. It is easier to get the best service by going to the same club for several days. Just watch the way the attitudes of the girls start to change.
The girls are running a cartel in some clubs, as Pistons points out. We do not need to feed this
As McAdonis implies, regular visitors, especially ones who are known to do sessions of an hour, are much less affected by the price explosion.
KK. Don't worry about forced exodus of ro and bu girls. Unless the EU collapses this cannot happen. More threatening is the prospect of more prostitution control laws: at the moment these seem to be largely off the immediate political agenda.
BB69. Yes, 40 euros for30 minutes still available in some NRW clubs. Even 70 euros for 60 minutes.
Of course, if as JNPR30, points out, a customer chooses to pay for long sessions for little sex, that is paying over the odds IF one calculates value by the number of minutes fucking. I do long sessions. But at least it is totally my decision, (as I say earlier, this is all about informed decision making) not the girl laying down restrictions (like only 5 minutes sex per 30 minutes) or inflated prices.
Cheers to all.
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[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2229322]I am likely going to have a car next time, so I am curious for recommendations (although I feel like I must visit Dietz for the experience, just once.) FKK World in Giessen was on my list- where else would you recommend. Although, hard to leave the Ro lovelies at Sharks behind.[/QUOTE]LaBamba. As I replied in another thread, it is hard to recommend clubs. Like McAdonis says, some guys (like me) like a naked big club, such as those in Frankfurt area so that restricts the options. I suggest, talking just about the FFM area you try Finca (if you have a car) or World, and Bahama (small club underwear) or Dietzenbach (but beware, the latter is very very down-market facilities, really just a tatty shed). That will give you a good idea of what is available. A bit further away is Babylon, naked, (girls not men) medium size club with solid German clientele.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2229315]A common sentiment amongst the Frankfurt aficionados is that they simply prefer the optics at Oase and Sharks.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Oase but in sharks, the looks of the girls are not so different than in Acapulco. The facilities are clearly superior bur I don't give a shit about the sauna or the swimming pool.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2229499]LaBamba. As I replied in another thread, it is hard to recommend clubs. Like McAdonis says, some guys (like me) like a naked big club, such as those in Frankfurt area so that restricts the options. I suggest, talking just about the FFM area you try Finca (if you have a car) or World, and Bahama (small club underwear) or Dietzenbach (but beware, the latter is very very down-market facilities, really just a tatty shed). That will give you a good idea of what is available. A bit further away is Babylon, naked, (girls not men) medium size club with solid German clientele.[/QUOTE]Optimist, makes sense to me. My next trip (months away) I'll have a car, and since I already experienced Sharks and Mainhattan, I am going to explore some of the smaller clubs. Dietz for sure (sounds like exactly my kind of seedy, an interesting alternative to the RLD), and then maybe Caribic or Bahama or Palace. Perhaps a visit to Treff188? Then capping it all off with a trip to Oase, or a night back at Sharks. Finca I had not heard of- 2 hour drive is not unreasonable.
Very tough to see what will appeal without going yourself, I understand that. I would say one thing that matters is how I will fare speaking English only, ugly american that I am. But yeah, I learned long ago you have to allow for bad experiences if you want to have new experiences.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2229499]....it is hard to recommend clubs. Like McAdonis says, some guys (like me) like a naked big club, such as those in Frankfurt area so that restricts the options.....[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you. Depending on time available, kilometers you want to travel by car or public transport, money you want to spend for travel expenses and other topics to be considered there is a nice bunch of possibilities (Bahama vs Sharks / Palace / Mainhattan and also between the last three; Finca, Babylon and Parksauna Residenz in the hinterland but each place with a certain USP making it interesting for different mongers).
Finally it's a snap shot of the day when being there. Oooh, Sunday, boring, fair and exhibition period maybe too many customers coming from abroad to have fun, personal bad mood on that day, you don't like the food although other guys on the board were satisfied about. You hope for black girls but on that day only one of five shows up (and only up from 8 pm, but your schedule isn't already finished at 9 pm due to flight schedule).
I think the best is not to come with a list of expectations to be fulfilled in complete. Be open-minded and go for it. Don't pay too much attention about what other guys have written but try to make your own experience. That's often the best you can do. Last but not least: keep chilled.
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[QUOTE=Tedesco;2229612]I fully agree with you. Depending on time available, kilometers you want to travel by car or public transport, money you want to spend for travel expenses and other topics to be considered there is a nice bunch of possibilities (Bahama vs Sharks / Palace / Mainhattan and also between the last three; Finca, Babylon and Parksauna Residenz in the hinterland but each place with a certain USP making it interesting for different mongers).
Finally it's a snap shot of the day when being there. Oooh, Sunday, boring, fair and exhibition period maybe too many customers coming from abroad to have fun, personal bad mood on that day, you don't like the food although other guys on the board were satisfied about. You hope for black girls but on that day only one of five shows up (and only up from 8 pm, but your schedule isn't already finished at 9 pm due to flight schedule).
I think the best is not to come with a list of expectations to be fulfilled in complete. Be open-minded and go for it. Don't pay too much attention about what other guys have written but try to make your own experience. That's often the best you can do. Last but not least: keep chilled.[/QUOTE]I think that's the best possible advice to follow.
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[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2229601]Optimist, makes sense to me. My next trip (months away) I'll have a car, and since I already experienced Sharks and Mainhattan, I am going to explore some of the smaller clubs. Dietz for sure (sounds like exactly my kind of seedy, an interesting alternative to the RLD), and then maybe Caribic or Bahama or Palace. Perhaps a visit to Treff188? Then capping it all off with a trip to Oase, or a night back at Sharks. Finca I had not heard of- 2 hour drive is not unreasonable.
Very tough to see what will appeal without going yourself, I understand that. I would say one thing that matters is how I will fare speaking English only, ugly american that I am. But yeah, I learned long ago you have to allow for bad experiences if you want to have new experiences.[/QUOTE]You can forget at least Dietz, except you like ugly girls and want to take significant risk to catch something, girls terrible, premises terrible, food terrible. At least for me .
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2229551]I've never been to Oase but in sharks, the looks of the girls are not so different than in Acapulco. The facilities are clearly superior bur I don't give a shit about the sauna or the swimming pool.[/QUOTE]Hessen was high level in 2014 to Summer 2016 , without upselling at Sharks or World or Mainhattan, except at Oase and Palace, but since September 2016 I find prettier girls in NRW and at YY NL, with higher level in bed, full GFE for 50/30 mn.
Hessen is now touristic land, average level is for tourists, girls are on clients demanding level.
Fortunately, anywhere, can sometimes find a girl You make improve for You, but beauties are more and more rare in Germany, to be motivated to spend money. Gap is wider and wider with Globe level, when some little girls ask for nearly same rate, do they think they are top beauty or top performer? From my little experience, smart and high level girls don't upsell, and I had many top girls in NRW or Hessen.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2229551]I've never been to Oase but in sharks, the looks of the girls are not so different than in Acapulco.[/QUOTE]I only report what others have told me. I think that many who have been to both Acapulco and Sharks would disagree with you.
Mongers preferences can be extremely different. I only learned this AFTER I started to speaking to other mongers and really listening (many had to explain their viewpoints to me more than once). Sometimes extremely small things that seem trivial and unimportant to you, can make a huge difference to how someone else might perceive the line-up. In other words, most mongers cannot objectively evaluate the LU for looks. A single bad experience or a good experience can cloud their judgement.
I don't think I can objectively evaluate Sharks LU for optics. I recently attended Sharks twice within a six day span. On the latter visit, I counted about 15 WGs who I had previously done before. But of those 15, many were not repeatable or I had just done them recently and I wasn't in the mood yet to repeat them again. I did not find any fresh, young attractive ones. This caused me to leave the club that day with the impression that the optics are "down", because nobody excited me that day. But if I had been a newbie attending Sharks that first time, my perception of the optics would have been completely different. I would have been excited by the optics because I would have had 15 WGs on my to-do-list.
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I notice guys indicating lineups are bad when 1 or 2 of their favorite girls aren't there. We can be at the same club 2 days in a row and first night is great and second night bad yet the lineups are essentially the same less 1 or 2 favorites missing. It wasn't like there were a few new hot girls on the first night opposed to the second visit.
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There is the aspect that our tastes do not match. A guy that likes Brazilian and latino types might go into a club, see girls fully to his liking and very likely I would not like that same place given that my preference tends to be young, fresh faced, smaller butt, small tit, slender petite, cute faced types.
Then there is the other aspect that guys somehow can't separate optics and service objectively. As BB said below. This is something that guys ought to be able to do, but somehow don't. So, they go into a club, don't get good service, don't see their fav girls and report that optics are down. I agree with BB, optics in a club don't change significantly day to day in a short amount of time, except for the larger number of girls on the weekend.
Sometimes I read here that optics in Sharks are down, or that ooh suddenly a lot of hot gazelles are in the club and then I visit the club in a day or two after that, and to me not much has changed from my prior visit 3 or 4 months ago and looks and service levels are broadly the same.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2229785]There is the aspect that our tastes do not match. A guy that likes Brazilian and latino types might go into a club, see girls fully to his liking and very likely I would not like that same place given that my preference tends to be young, fresh faced, smaller butt, small tit, slender petite, cute faced types.
Then there is the other aspect that guys somehow can't separate optics and service objectively. As BB said below. This is something that guys ought to be able to do, but somehow don't. So, they go into a club, don't get good service, don't see their fav girls and report that optics are down. I agree with BB, optics in a club don't change significantly day to day in a short amount of time, except for the larger number of girls on the weekend.
Sometimes I read here that optics in Sharks are down, or that ooh suddenly a lot of hot gazelles are in the club and then I visit the club in a day or two after that, and to me not much has changed from my prior visit 3 or 4 months ago and looks and service levels are broadly the same.[/QUOTE]Sorry but today in Shark you have a lot of veteran prostitutes even they are young they worked before in several other clubs, why I can say that it is just that I am retired, therefor plenty of time to visit clubs, and saw them in the other clubs. Last week was sunny and believe me under the sun light many girls were looking under 5, fake boobs, fat, some belly, Botox, hair extension, skin problem only a very few were beautiful for me which means young, fresh, more or less new in the business, nice skin, no bobox or sili, in summary a natural beauty not fake. The new law and the improvement of the economical situation is reducing the number of new girls entering the business. Some of them prefer a sugar daddy or doing escort and not getting fucked 10 or 15 times per day by any kind of guy able to put 50 or 100 euro on the table.
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[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2229601]Optimist, makes sense to me. My next trip (months away) I'll have a car, and since I already experienced Sharks and Mainhattan, I am going to explore some of the smaller clubs. Dietz for sure (sounds like exactly my kind of seedy, an interesting alternative to the RLD), and then maybe Caribic or Bahama or Palace. Perhaps a visit to Treff188? Then capping it all off with a trip to Oase, or a night back at Sharks. Finca I had not heard of- 2 hour drive is not unreasonable.
Very tough to see what will appeal without going yourself, I understand that. I would say one thing that matters is how I will fare speaking English only, ugly american that I am. But yeah, I learned long ago you have to allow for bad experiences if you want to have new experiences.[/QUOTE]As far as I know English is sufficient almost everywhere in the FFM area. Less so in some of the smaller NRW clubs. Of course a few words of German or Romanian makes a good impression in some clubs.
Enjoy your exploring.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2229746]
Mongers preferences can be extremely different. I only learned this AFTER I started to speaking to other mongers and really listening (many had to explain their viewpoints to me more than once). Sometimes extremely small things that seem trivial and unimportant to you, can make a huge difference to how someone else might perceive the line-up. In other words, most mongers cannot objectively evaluate the LU for looks. A single bad experience or a good experience can cloud their judgement.
I don't think I can objectively evaluate Sharks LU for optics. I recently attended Sharks twice within a six day span. On the latter visit, I counted about 15 WGs who I had previously done before. But of those 15, many were not repeatable or I had just done them recently and I wasn't in the mood yet to repeat them again. I did not find any fresh, young attractive ones. This caused me to leave the club that day with the impression that the optics are "down", because nobody excited me that day. But if I had been a newbie attending Sharks that first time, my perception of the optics would have been completely different. I would have been excited by the optics because I would have had 15 WGs on my to-do-list.[/QUOTE]Exactly. That's why I encourage new members to make their own explorations to find out what suits them.
So many times I have been unhappy with optics, when really it was all in my head for the reasons you say. I think estimates of optics are 50% mood related. Having said that, as with "superstar" or "catastrophe" girls there is some general consensus: for example, optics wise Sharks is better than Dietzenbach. But Sharks vs Oase vs World is not so easy (although most agree that the larger line up at the first two gives better optics).
