American Women

Buzz 04,

Terror alert? hmmmmmm, you weren't going to Bali by any chance? Just a guess.

Anyways, here's todays thought. When a monger goes to Thailand (or anywhere else) and falls for a hooker over there, what does that say about the women here?

Rock

Hey Bart, you hit it on the head.

My 2 cents is a suggestion for another very appropriate acronym. "FWOVT" Meaning, the true definition of American women "Fucking Waste Of Vaginal Tissue" Nuff said.

Latina Addict

Hey there Bart9000,

I think you're on track with the point you made in your recent post. It's all about supply and demand. Women here have the supply (well, most of it) and the men have the demand. Therefore the vaginal commodity has a high perceived value and we as men go to great lengths to gain access to it.

There's more to it than that however. Let's face it, in most large cities there's no shortage of prostitutes, escorts, MPs etc. available for us to get what we want. The biggest problem is how this activity is perceived by part (and only part) of our society. If a guy goes in for that sort of thing in South America, it's pretty much his business. He won't be admired for it, but he won't be shunned by society either.

Up here, people seem to get right fucking crazy over the idea that 2 people might want to trade sex for money. This results in so-called "law enforcement" to attempt to eliminate the problem. It's really just a form of harassment and probably a cash grab as well what with fines and seizing cars and all.

Part of this attitude is based on religious attitudes. Another part is women not wanting the competition. But I think the biggest part of it is jealousy. There's a bunch of sexually repressed assholes (male and female) out there stuck in boring, passionless relationships who hate the idea that someone else is out there having a good time.

As a mostly male-dominated society we probably have a hard time with unrestrained female sexuality as well. The idea that a woman can use her sex to make money off of us (thus achieving some form of control) is subconciously irritating to a lot of men.

It's really funny because most women operate on the prostitution principle anyways. They make sure they get some benefits from the guy, then reward him with the pleasure of their company. It doesn't have to be that way, but that's how it is for most of us.

Rock

Bankrupt guy in NYC hits the lottery for 120 million after playing his last dollar during his break parking cars. Dude was penniless and owed everyone. Wife threw him out long time ago. Coincidentally got back with wifey a day before he won and everything is all good. Now she wants a divorce and half the dough! Now he might not get the first payout because she filed papers to get at the money. In the meantime he quit his job and is living in a hotel with his nephew.

Anyone notice the looks (besides the pretty ones) on the faces of these pro-athletes wifes when they are in a photo. A-Rods wife got that Medusa turn you to stone look that says "It's not A-Rod the 180 million dollar player" but, it's A-Rod the $90 million man and his wife the $90 million sophisticated woman. Now, if they were not married to these sports millionaires would they have that look? Not hatin but just wondering if I'm seeing things.

And whats' up with this Paris Hilton? Does the chick have no shame? I don't mind looking at her, but damn, talk about some disgraceful activities! Seen her picture on the window of an x-rated shop for some porno with her in it. She don't even need the money to be conducting herself like a trick. But then all that shit is cool nowadays, just watch MTV.

RockDog asks =

[quote][i]When a monger goes to Thailand (or anywhere else) and falls for a hooker over there, what does that say about the women here? [/i][/quote]

It speaks Volumes , RD

Allow me to repeat my·self [ the following was originally posted here on 11-21 ] ==>

Here's an interesting take on American Women , especially when compared to their Thai counter·parts

[ "Farang" is Thai for a Foreigner , especially a White Foreigner ]

Farang men often fall madly in love with the first Thai girl they meet – even if she’s a rough street prostitute who doesn’t speak English. Love-sick farang men are queuing up at the altar to tie the knot with their dubious Thai mail-order brides but why don’t farang girls stir their passions in the same way?

Thai girls and farang girls could hardly be more different. Put simply, Thai girls are family-orientated and farang girls are increasingly career-orientated. In America, 44% of women aged 15 to 44 have chosen to remain childless and the trend is gathering pace. It’s easy to understand their point of view because, as men, we’ve always pursued our ambitions.

Farang girls enjoy opportunities that their Thai sisters can only dream about. In many ways, life in the West has never been better but it doesn’t seem to have translated into greater human happiness. We are witnessing an epidemic of relationship breakdown. Western men and women seem increasingly ill-matched and unhappy. Statistics reveal that dissatisfied western wives are divorcing their husbands in ever-increasing numbers and they can’t seem to find suitable replacements either. Does this mean that we farang fellas are all useless?

No, of course it doesn’t and I’m going to explain why. Despite the far-reaching changes in western society, the underlying attitudes of men and women remain broadly the same. Men still have a provider mentality and women still have an entitlement mentality. Men have always been attracted by youth and beauty and women have always been attracted by wealth and status. Inevitably, the mismatch between our utopian aspirations and the situation on the ground has created problems.

For the sake of his self-esteem, a man needs to be the breadwinner. Taking on the domestic role makes him feel like a failure. Women, on the other hand, feel uncomfortable in the role of provider. A woman would quickly lose respect for any man who appeared to be living off her. Women still feel entitled to a partner more successful than themselves. Consequently, the more successful a woman becomes, the harder it is to find someone suitable.

On the face of it, men are more easily satisfied. All a man needs is a girl who is cute and kind-hearted. Career status is unimportant – it’s her personal qualities that count. He needs to be her protector and hero. A brash career-orientated woman will never excite a man’s passion. If she’s pretty, he might humour her for long enough to get into her pants but a long-term relationship is unlikely to succeed.

Women who don’t touch a guy’s heart but who have soaring expectations are never going to find husbands. Men seeking unconditional love and respect from aggressive ladettes are never going to find wives. As a result, more people than ever are living lonely single lives between brief affairs. Throughout the western world, we are seeing explosive growth in the number of single person households. In the US, for example, census data reveals that the number of single person households grew by 14% between 1991 and 2001. An unhappy world of selfish people living alone is now becoming reality.

Returning to the original question, I think that many farang men fall madly in love with a random Thai bar girl because they’ve never met a truly feminine woman before. Men feel a deep need to care for these needy fallen angels and to receive affection in return. Even when the affection is insincere, the compulsion is so great that few farang guys can resist. Thai girls play the role perfectly. They wield a power over men that their farang sisters have forgotten how to use.

Bart9000 is quoting me when he refers to "in countries where 'another gir' is readily available for a reasonable price and no hassles, girls don't put out nearly as much crap as they do here, because they know that they can be easily replaced, at least for short term purposes." And, I did indeed write that from the Buenos Aires perspective. Here is what a woman down here told me: "If I don't satisfy my man, the neighbor will, or he will go straight to the boliche." Another woman told me, "Here it is normal if you like the man to have sex on the first date. Why wait?" Neither of these women are prostitutes, and I've heard similar things from other women.

Why wait, indeed? In the US there is all this abstinence-based sex education, the religious right babbling about family values, and so forth. But even more so, you have a work-centered culture where in many marriages the partners are both so busy with high stress jobs and long hours and long commutes that they just don't have as much sexual energy. Then you have the problem of women wanting to be just like men. That doesn't happen here.

I opted out of all that. I have a low stress job that doesn't pay that much. I have a small apartment, no car, and few possessions. But I get more ass than a toilet seat! And, I am getting it from young, good looking, [b]feminine[/b] women. Dark hair, smooth dark skin, firm round asses ... Sure, there are escort services in the cities in the US but I can't afford them and then you have all the rules like no kissing, no touching my pussy, etc. Plus you have to worry about getting busted (Denny Neagle is in a world of hurt right now). That doesn't happen here, either.

It was good to get feedback from you guys. This topic has been on my mind, since I returned from my first trip overseas to Prague. My mind has been reeling from the realization that I (33 year old guy with a deficient wardrobe and 25 pounds of beer belly) could easily there get a beautiful 20 year old girlfriend that isn't obnoxious, flighty, irresponsible (At least not nearly as much as her American counterparts-I didn't once in four days hear anything to the effect of at 150 decibles "OH MY GOD MEGAN ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO HOOK UP WITH TODD AGAIN???!!!!). What is the difference? The theoretical 20 year old czech girl hasn't had her ass kissed multiple times daily since the day her tit's sprouted at age 12 (again, supply and demand, plus lack of bullshit Victorian mores-I'm thinking that a 12 year old boy's aren't terribly excited by their female classmate's budding sexuality when displays of adult female nudity are common, accepted, and "no big deal") and consequently thinks of herself as "just a girl". Currently, I spend most of my time trying to figure out how to get back over to Europe on a permanent basis.

Has anyone here been watching The Apprentice?

It's really worth it if you want to learn a bit about the psychology of todays career woman. They seem to be willing to use their looks, flirting, sexual attractiveness, whatever it takes to win, ie. to get what THEY want.

In fact, if you look at the cover of Maxim magazine, you'll see a couple of them. No doubt posing for some revealing panty pics inside. Hmmmmm, let's see how this works, They take off some of their clothes, in return they get money and a lot of attention. This should sound pretty familiar to us, or maybe I just have an over-active imagination.

Rock

Rockdog the terror alert was in the Sinai and this time the alert became reality : Taba Hilton Hotel blown up by truck bomb with Italian,Russian and Israeli tourists getting killed.

I happened to be in Thailand because of my enterprising travel agent. Gave her $700 and told her to get my ass out of the Middle East. I was intrigued to say the least when she called and said I am on a plane to BKK. And the rest is history.

I have had my fair share of American bi-atches and I will never be with one again. On the other hand I had a really screwed up Italian chic that had to smoke while doing the poke but that I am going to write about later. Was hilarious.

Cheers,

Buzz

Bart,

You might find what you just described in Prague, however I think it is rather unlikely (or, you might consider youself very lucky).

Women in the eastern european countries are very independent, very self supporting - this is a late result of years living under a communist system, where everybody was supposed to work, and women often were main supporters of their families. Things have changed a bit since then, but the general idea is still there. And, as a result of that idea, many women in these countries have become rather materialistic. Exceptions confirm the rule.

To find what you seem to look for, I recommend:

- read Dickheads posts again
- read them a third (fourth..) time
- read the Argentina section of this forum
- enroll in spanish classes TODAY
- go to South America, preferably Buenos Aires.

What you find there is better than everything in Europe, and I live here.

Sorry, DH, in case I reveal some secrets - but instead of sitting behind my desk, I would rather be drinking a beer with you in Salome, contemplating the options for the rest of the night...

El Alemán

El,

I hear you. I have actually considered Buenos Aires. However, there are two things stopping me. 1. Yes, Latinas are indeed attractive and sexy, and from what I hear quite accomodating to men. However, I vastly prefer the european aesthetic. 2. In all honesty, I don't think I could handle living someplace that has as big a discreptancy between "haves and have nots" as does BA. I have heard tales of leaving an office building there and being confronted with 25 truly impovrished beggars. Call me a big softie if you like-I resemble the remark to some degree.

My sole point about European (and the rest of the world's) women is that they (in my admittedly limited experience) are substantially LESS loud, obnoxious, egocentric, greedy, than what I am used to dealing with, and I believe that I would have a much better time in say even Western Europe than I do in the midwest US. All things considered, I'm not looking for perfection (As BA may in fact be), just a BIG improvement.

On a slightly different note, I wanted to comment on the "bad boy loser" phenomena in light of my hypothesis that American girls are the way that they are in part (temporarily disregarding my co-theory that the US's prohibition on prostitution drops the supply down and raises the obnoxious egocentric "price") because since the day they hit puberty, there is a non stop ass kissing session from boys and men trying to get that "priceless little treasure" between their legs. Anything that you receive constantly becomes boring. Conversely however, the bad boy loser creates infinitely valuable entertainment in the form of DRAMA when he cheats on her, loses his job, slaps her around, etc. To the girl, this is like getting to live inside a soap opera where "things happen"-this is more or less analogous to a man getting to live James Bond's life!!!!!!

Also the "ghetto" middle class white girl annoys me too-I wish that fad would hurry up and go the way of my generation's "Valley Girl"-I'll probably be gone before it is:)

"Bart"

Hey El Alemán, I was in Salomé last night but the selection was poor. Hey Bart, I don't know exactly what you mean by the European esthetic but there are plenty of gals here with European skin and features. They're not predominately mestizos or anything like that. And yeah, there are beggars here but not packs of 25 hanging around outside office buildings. That's a bunch of horseshit. The economy here has improved noticeably in the past year or so.

I hope and pray I never have to go back to the US of A.

Don't get a big head (!!) over this, but your post of 12/6 is probably the most insightful thing I have read on this board. You are RIGHT on the money.

I have long struggled to explain the utter disdain I feel towards American women, and you have summed it all up neatly in a short little post.

I have been married 4 times and I refuse to say that there is anything wrong with me other than a serious tendancy to spoil the woman I am with. I have gained absolutely ZERO respect for my efforts. I am kind, considerate, generous and respectful, I make a very nice income, I guess I'm not TOO ugly and it doesn't count for shit with the bitches I've ended up with (OK, I'm also a slow learner). My first wife was Filipina and I was too f*cking dumb to know what I had, so we split up. I've been paying the price ever since.

The only factor you didn't address was the "bad boy" syndrome mentioned by Bart two posts back. American women are so f*cked up and spoiled that they NEED to be slapped around to feel any passion. The proof is all around; look at all the ditsy girls that hang off the neanderthal morons in this world, guys who can't even make change or tie their shoes.

Go to China where the average guy is a smelly, belching, lung-butter hawking, chain smoking, womanizing, drunken pig and see how anxious the women are to meet someone with even a modicum of civility! If there were any justice in the world, American women would be sentenced to live with abusive Russians, chauvinistic Japanese or disgusting Chinese men, and we would benefit from the kindly attentions of women who know the reality of life.

I think a good part of the problem is that we live in a culture in which the male role has been throughly de-valued. Except for the mindless attention paid to the occasional misfit psuedo outlaw, there is absolutely NO importance ascribed to maleness in our society. We've all been turned into Dagwood Bumstead. Hell, I'm guessing that this board might damn well fold from lack of interest if there was a general availability of kind, feminine, supportive and sensual women in this country, the kind that can easily be found overseas. Until that happens, p4p and the physical and psychological release thereby provided will continue to be an important option. I'm damn near shocked to death that so many guys go overseas and then manage to return to this country and put up with this sh*t!!

Spike, out....

Bart,

You must be talking about Bombay, not Buenos Aires. Even in May 2002, 5 months after the big crash, I have not seen packs of beggars. Yes, there is poverty in Argentina, and yes, the gap between rich and poor is big in South America. The country where it is biggest today is Russia. Ant the city with the most visible street bums I have ever been is Washington, DC. More or less on George W.'s front porch.

To esthetics: have a look at that website: [url]www.escortsbaires.com.ar[/url] - it is an Argentinean escort website, one of the few with 100% real pics. This gives you a good impression of the types of women to expect in BA. Not much different from Milan, Paris, Barcelona, Frankfurt etc. The Argentinean population is 35% Spanish, 30% Italian, and the rest from the rest of the world, mostly Europe. Nearly no Indio, at least not in Buenos Aires (different in western provinces).

DH: a poor selection by far beats no selection....

El Alemán

Well, for those of you who like to constantly bash women in the USA...listen to this. It's interesting what you find out about today's women in the mainstream media (either print, radio or TV). I was watching a video about dating, and a statistic got thrown out that fascinates me. It seems that women who have affairs are more fertile when they have sex with a lover than with their significant other (ie boyfriend/husband). If the attached woman has a kid, there's a 10% chance that the father is not the bf/hubby!! Maybe someone you know might be in this category.

MP