Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[QUOTE=Illogic]Man this has been discussed a 1000 times. If she is a bar girl and her lips are moving she is lying.

You met her at LA Cafe....enough said. Man if you want a girl to play house with there are a lot of good girls in PI to do this with. These bar girls will tell you anything...I the last one I fucked (see my last report on the Manila board) at least she told me she had a Black boyfriend in Japan sending her money every month and even showed me his photo.....LOL. He texted her while we were butt-ass in bed saying he wanted to chat right that instant. She told him she couldn't make it.

These girls keep in contact with a lot of men and line as many up as possible. You are a potential money source (boyfriend, husband, sponsor, customer) nothing more....[/QUOTE]
Byung,
I'm just going to add one more thing. You used the words "subservient" and "submissive" to describe this girl. Hopefully, you don't believe the myth of the submissive Asian female. These women are not subservient it is just an act to get you to lower your guard. They know that they can get more out of you that way. She'll make you think that you're in control and then take your balls when you least expect it. Many guys have found this out the hard way. Don't set yourself up to be taken for a ride.

[QUOTE=Illogic]Man this has been discussed a 1000 times. If she is a bar girl and her lips are moving she is lying.

You met her at LA Cafe....enough said. Man if you want a girl to play house with there are a lot of good girls in PI to do this with. These bar girls will tell you anything...The last one I fucked (see my last report on the Manila board) at least she told me she had a Black boyfriend in Japan sending her money every month and even showed me his photo.....LOL. He texted her while we were butt-ass in bed saying he wanted to chat right that instant. She told him she couldn't make it.

These girls keep in contact with a lot of men and line as many up as possible. You are a potential money source (boyfriend, husband, sponsor, customer) nothing more....[/QUOTE]

Illogic, I read all your posts (at least for the past month or so), I find them the most entertaining on the Philippines forum. Thanks for the entertainment and info.

Yes, I realize I'm a potential money source, as you said, possibly as a boyfriend or husband. I also believe that is the case with most women, 'working' or not. As I said, I do not believe love is real, but smart women can make it seem real.

The issue is whether or not I should call her on it; for now, I still think I'm going to not say anything. Sometime soon mention to her that I've found someone else, and when I go back to Manila, see if she's still 'single', and have fun with her then.

[quote=Chocha Monger]Byung,
I'm just going to add one more thing. You used the words "subservient" and "submissive" to describe this girl. Hopefully, you don't believe the myth of the submissive Asian female. These women are not subservient it is just an act to get you to lower your guard. They know that they can get more out of you that way. She'll make you think that you're in control and then take your balls when you least expect it. Many guys have found this out the hard way. Don't set yourself up to be taken for a ride.[/quote]

Well, being Asian myself (Korean), I don't believe it, as I've seen how 'tough' Korean women can be. If anything, I think some Japanese women may be submissive, but yes, I know it's a 'myth' for the most part.

This girl truly does seem to be that way, or she's a regular Meryl Streep. Either way, I'm not sending her any money, and so far she hasn't asked for it. I suspect she may a month or two down the line, in which case I'll have to say goodbye... and of course say 'hello' when I arrive at MNL again. =)

Thanks for your concern, though.

Direct verbal confrontation (of the verbal kind) is, as those of us who have lived here long enough know, an unsatisfactory tactic for resolving anything. This is not a culture that encourages directness in any field of human endeavor and the sort of Westernized direct, confrontational style will not work here. All that such an approach will provoke is more shaded truth or outright lies to cover up the prior outright lies. Life is not about truth here, but about saving face.

As long as you accept the fact that you will never know the whole truth, at least as most of us understand the term, there's no need to confront anyone about anything that they would perceive as unpleasant.

GE

Byung, look at it this way: you have almost guaranteed sex if you visit her in Boracay. You probably won't have to spend much on her to get it. That pretty much sums it up. No more, no less.

My first GF here in the Philippines was a bar girl I had met in Malaysia. The moment I stopped making "buy" signals, she had other guys lined up. Actually, during the entire time we were playing house together she had a guy in Germany supporting her. This person was about to break up his family to be with her.

When I found out. Because little lies add up. I contacted the guy and told him she was living with me. For the last six months or so. You know the drill. The german guy and I are still good friends today. He saved cash, and his family. I let the girl go. Even when confronted directly. She lied. Even with pictures, western union receipts. The whole case closed book of evidence she denied it all the very next day. It went beyond what I have ever experienced in terms of deceit. It spoke to a very deep disconnect between how I perceived common reality. And her outlook.

Yes. If she is a bar girl you will never know the details. You will never get the truth, as you would understand it. Your "shy girl" will act like the virgin Mary in your presence but, in a P4P setting will be gang banging like a porn star. And loving it.

If all her friends are bar girls, then she is still a bar girl. Lastly, the older the girl. The more secrets she has to keep.

Interestingly. The girl I busted years ago still I'm's me. Wants to fuck me on my next business trip to wherever she is. And has all sorts of "reasons" why I should "live my life to the fullest"; obviously with her back in the picture.

Yet more proof that women are a separate species, and they are all insane.

[QUOTE=Byung]Illogic, I read all your posts (at least for the past month or so), I find them the most entertaining on the Philippines forum. Thanks for the entertainment and info.

Yes, I realize I'm a potential money source, as you said, possibly as a boyfriend or husband. I also believe that is the case with most women, 'working' or not. As I said, I do not believe love is real, but smart women can make it seem real.

The issue is whether or not I should call her on it; for now, I still think I'm going to not say anything. Sometime soon mention to her that I've found someone else, and when I go back to Manila, see if she's still 'single', and have fun with her then.

Well, being Asian myself (Korean), I don't believe it, as I've seen how 'tough' Korean women can be. If anything, I think some Japanese women may be submissive, but yes, I know it's a 'myth' for the most part.

This girl truly does seem to be that way, or she's a regular Meryl Streep. Either way, I'm not sending her any money, and so far she hasn't asked for it. I suspect she may a month or two down the line, in which case I'll have to say goodbye. And of course say 'hello' when I arrive at MNL again. =)

Thanks for your concern, though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Direct verbal confrontation (of the verbal kind) is, as those of us who have lived here long enough know, an unsatisfactory tactic for resolving anything. This is not a culture that encourages directness in any field of human endeavor and the sort of Westernized direct, confrontational style will not work here. All that such an approach will provoke is more shaded truth or outright lies to cover up the prior outright lies. Life is not about truth here, but about saving face.

As long as you accept the fact that you will never know the whole truth, at least as most of us understand the term, there's no need to confront anyone about anything that they would perceive as unpleasant.

GE[/QUOTE]

That is so true, they cant seem to be found out they have lied to you no matter what the evidence is against them...

But at least they are beautiful young and great in bed..

But do have very different ideas about life, love and relationships.

Another member posted on here a while ago that he would swap from Pinays to Chinese girls as gf and although they are a lot tamer in bed they might be a much more honest long term proposition.

But I do love pinays.....

Wizard

SA, it's not just the bar girls who lie consistently and will never confront truth, it's part of the national character: equal parts soap opera, eloquent deception, aversion to acceptance of responsibility, refusal to be held accountable for anything at any time and a congenital inability to tell unpleasant truths. Couple this with utter lack of initiative and an inability to think much outside the box and you've described almost everyone. There may be some exceptions--I think in my six years here I've met three or four--but not many. And these traits are by no means limited to women; the men are excellent exemplars as well.

Of course, on the distaff side, there are to be sure redeeming features, and the news is by no means all bad.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]

There may be some exceptions--I think in my six years here I've met three or four--but not many. And these traits are by no means limited to women; the men are excellent exemplars as well.

GE[/QUOTE]

I have an exception to the rule. I married a lovely young lady from Q City 22 years ago. Met her through a friend. She was a college trained engineer working on her own designing houses. She is the one who took a chance on me not the other way around. I would say I married up. She is probably smarter than I am, much better looking, and still trim and fit after all these years.

I say she took a chance on me, as I was a mid-level enlisted military man. Did not have much money and lived in a one bedroom apartment. I was deployed regularly after we were married. While I was gone, she went back to college and got an AA degree in Computer science.

I was severely injured in a military vehicle accident and she helped the nurses tend to me. You know you must have a good wife when she will help change your colostomy bag.

She never asked for money to send her parents but does send home small amounts for birthdays and holidays. Even with me disabled, we are still doing ok. She works hard and manages our money very well. I have met most of her family and many relatives from California and Hawaii. All are upstanding and doing quite well in business.

I got really lucky and I thank my god each and every night.

Slim

Nvslim.

You are a 1 lucky guy, and I hope this continues for you forever.

Hope I can do the same

Good luck

Wizard

Hello guys,

I am Filipina and I have been reading post for like 4 years now? That's what I remember. I never interacted but just read your posts, opinions and advices. I was saddened that these things happen with you or your friends. I couldn't defend them for I myself agree that this is the style of some Filipinas? Blame it to Spaniards who colonized us for 300 years.

Anyway, I guess not all bar girls are "bad". Its so happen that they don't love you at all. You see, when a girl loves you they will be ashamed to ask for money. They will ask money from those they don't LOVE. Unless of course they are really in need (truthful scenarios).

You see NVSLIM got lucky (well she wasn't a bar girl). There are exceptions.

As for ShadowAxis and Byung, well I feel ashamed that this happened. I am ashamed and I feel bad about your story. I guess the bottom line is get to know the person first before sending cash. Don't be too heroic. Okey, If you know your girlfriend to well, I guess it's okey. But c'mon, you met the girl for two days and suddenly you exchange I love you's. Hello? There is no such thing as "love at first night".

Your wish is my command,

Wishmaster

[QUOTE=Nvslim]I have an exception to the rule. I married a lovely young lady from Q City 22 years ago. Met her through a friend. She was a college trained engineer working on her own designing houses. She is the one who took a chance on me not the other way around. I would say I married up. She is probably smarter than I am, much better looking, and still trim and fit after all these years.

I say she took a chance on me, as I was a mid-level enlisted military man. Did not have much money and lived in a one bedroom apartment. I was deployed regularly after we were married. While I was gone, she went back to college and got an AA degree in Computer science.

I was severely injured in a military vehicle accident and she helped the nurses tend to me. You know you must have a good wife when she will help change your colostomy bag.

She never asked for money to send her parents but does send home small amounts for birthdays and holidays. Even with me disabled, we are still doing ok. She works hard and manages our money very well. I have met most of her family and many relatives from California and Hawaii. All are upstanding and doing quite well in business.

I got really lucky and I thank my god each and every night.

Slim[/QUOTE]Good for you my friend. Do you think that would happen with this generation of girls?

[QUOTE=Nvslim]I have an exception to the rule. I married a lovely young lady from Q City 22 years ago. Met her through a friend. She was a college trained engineer working on her own designing houses.[/QUOTE]That was 22 years ago, as you said, Also with an Established College grad who already was successful by philippine standards.

First of all we are talking a generation ago when values were different, the country was different. There was no Internet to communicate with guys to sponsor you, web cams to entice a foreigner. Cell phones to text and make arrangements. The world was a much different place. No cable TV for a Filipina to see what was going on around the world, so they were much more naieve and less worldly.

Secondly, how many guys here are able to meet a sucessful filipina college grad engineer. Now a days philippine college grads are lucky to find a job in the mall or flippin burgers at McDonalds.

Its mainly a sign of the times. Be glad you were here during those days when the women were more innocent and probably much less materialistic.

I recently met a Filipina in AC who didn't have a cell phone. I had a spare phone an older model. But stil in good working condition. I offered it to her for Free and she refused it because It didn't have a camera and wasnt a new model. Just shows the mentality of the Filipina today.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]SA, it's not just the bar girls who lie consistently and will never confront truth, it's part of the national character: equal parts soap opera, eloquent deception, aversion to acceptance of responsibility, refusal to be held accountable for anything at any time and a congenital inability to tell unpleasant truths. Couple this with utter lack of initiative and an inability to think much outside the box and you've described almost everyone. There may be some exceptions--I think in my six years here I've met three or four--but not many. And these traits are by no means limited to women; the men are excellent exemplars as well. GE[/QUOTE]

GE, I've been reading your posts in this forum and another one for nearly four years. In prior years you put a lot of energy into talking up Davao as a great place to live or visit, but you also had good things to say about your Filipino acquaintances, and you generally tried to put a positive spin on the women you occasionally picked up away from your own zip code. I've sort of noticed that the tone of your comments about Filipinos and their national culture has turned sour, especially over the last six months. Do you think Filipinos and their culture were always so despicable, but you were simply viewing them through rose colored glasses in those earlier posts? Another possible explanation is that you have changed but haven't really reflected on this very much. Still another possibility is that your business, recreational, or romantic life has either jolted you or led you to see a sample of folks that are particularly disingenuous.

I'm not posting this to ding you or your viewpoint, but just to reflect back to you my observations about the change in your postings. You've provided people in this forum a lot of excellent advice over the years, and so I'm concerned to see you in what comes across as a funk compared to where your head was a couple years ago. If you've become disillusioned about the setting, why stay there? So, yeah, I'm sort of concerned about what's going on with you.

I'd understand if you don't want to respond in the open forum.

Skip

[QUOTE=Cansx]

Good for you my friend. Do you think that would happen with this generation of girls?

[/QUOTE]

As long as she is NOT a Bar girl. Heard too many horror stories.

Find a nice educated, professional girl who is free of parents and looking for a challenge.

Good Luck,
Slim

A while back, perhaps last year in August I posted in this forum about PI living expenses and dating a bar-girl.

I've learned alot since that time. I made the jump to my filipina against most of the advice given to me on this forum, the expenses she quoted were reasonable as it turns out but her motivation may not have been purely platonic more likely just survival and a chance to get out of the game and possibly lead a normal life.

She had another relationship with an (Chinese-Malay) guy on an Australian passport that was not divulged before I left my family although I had an idea she had another 'supporter'.

If you want more details of my story, please PM me. I could post my observations but it would be one hell of a long report and not very positive about the PI.

My advice, bar girls are great, have fun with them but don't try to make a relationship with them. They don't respect themselves and they won't respect you.

I am still recovering from my 8 month relationship with her but I am having lots of fun (tons of other girls PI, VN, CN and TH), I just don't want another relationship - at least not at this time.

Women are strange creatures. Men can be fooled by them, please take care.

Yellow Fever


[QUOTE=ShadowAxis]My first GF here in the Philippines was a bar girl I had met in Malaysia. The moment I stopped making "buy" signals, she had other guys lined up. Actually, during the entire time we were playing house together she had a guy in Germany supporting her. This person was about to break up his family to be with her.

When I found out. Because little lies add up. I contacted the guy and told him she was living with me. For the last six months or so. You know the drill. The german guy and I are still good friends today. He saved cash, and his family. I let the girl go. Even when confronted directly. She lied. Even with pictures, western union receipts. The whole case closed book of evidence she denied it all the very next day. It went beyond what I have ever experienced in terms of deceit. It spoke to a very deep disconnect between how I perceived common reality. And her outlook.

Yes. If she is a bar girl you will never know the details. You will never get the truth, as you would understand it. Your "shy girl" will act like the virgin Mary in your presence but, in a P4P setting will be gang banging like a porn star. And loving it.

If all her friends are bar girls, then she is still a bar girl. Lastly, the older the girl. The more secrets she has to keep.

Interestingly. The girl I busted years ago still I'm's me. Wants to fuck me on my next business trip to wherever she is. And has all sorts of "reasons" why I should "live my life to the fullest"; obviously with her back in the picture.

Yet more proof that women are a separate species, and they are all insane.[/QUOTE]