Angeles City

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1952920]Any of those girls in those bikini contest would rate a 10 compared to the dogs I have been seeing. I am talking excessive cellulite. Girls so ugly they could be in freak shows. Fact is, I got thinking a few of those girls were up there because they were so ugly you couldn't stop looking at them and its a marketing ploy to get customers into the bar.[/QUOTE]My last visit was in August / September. I have never experienced such a precipitous drop in quality of girls. Sure they are getting more picky and have so many more options not just Korean / Jap guys but also keeping in touch with any former customer through all the chat apps.

If you are looking for easy access to "stunners" or 8's or 9's whatever that means, you may be disappointed in 2016. The girls have options so we still have to have some game to bag the elite young ones. I can still pull the occasional recently arrived cute 18 to 22 yo but I am getting a bit long on the tooth so my average has dropped on bagging them. I tend to place the onus on me rather that them. The only variable we can control is ourselves and our demeanor and attitude.

Better to adapt your expectations and game to the current situation, or find a better alternative. Its not like a new AC is popping up in SE asia lately.

Lower you expectations and smile and enjoy Day 6+ is my humble advice.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1952641]Many people bar fine girls for a few days and take them on excursions outside of AC. Has anyone ever had to deal with a medical emergency or other urgent issues involving the girl? If so, what did you do in that moment of panic and how did you recover the situation? I'd be very keen to take a girl out for a few days to Subic, Manila or elsewhere, but if anything were to go wrong with the girl, my life as I know it back home would start to unravel pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]I have had this sort of thing happen to me twice. Once with a regular girl and the other with a bar girl. The bar girl incident was the most scary. I was looking at TV when I heard a loud crash in the bathroom then total silence. I called out but there was no reply. So, I jumped out of bed and went to investigate. The bar girl was laid out cold on the floor of the bathroom and not responding to verbal or physical attempts to rouse her. My first concern was making sure that her head had not struck the sink or toilet bowl on the way down. I checked her head for blood and any signs of contusions. There was not any blood gushing out. I was still terrified that she may have broken her neck so I did not attempt to move her. I just had to start CPR there on the floor of the bathroom until I got a pulse and she started breathing again.

What was going through my mind during all of this? Shit! Shit! Shit! How do I get this girl down from the sixth floor using the narrow stairs? Why did the elevator have to be out of service on this particular night! If she dies, how do I explain this to the front desk and the friendly local policemen? What spin would the local media put on a dead Filipino bar girl in a foreigner's room? How would her family react, would they resort to extortion to make good on a bad situation?

Anyway, I managed to resuscitate her. I wanted to get her to the hospital as soon as possible. However, like most Filipinos she refused all attempts to take her to the hospital. After asking her some questions and examining her further, I was able to determine that she had an allergic reaction and went into shock. I spent the rest of the night monitoring her condition as she could not walk and I was not going attempt carrying her down the stairs on my own. It was one of the longest nights of my life. She did not want me to contact the bar or her friends because she was obviously concerned that it would mean an end to her employment. The next morning I took her to a doctor and he said it was safe to let her go off on her own.

I do not recommend taking girls off to remote areas without having a full medical examination conducted by a physician of your choosing. Filipinos tend to hide chronic illnesses that could result in an emergency situation. I have come across cases where girls hid the fact that they needed dialysis regularly or insulin shots only have them confess when the illness incapacitated them. Some of the situations could have been prevented with prior notice and following a medical treatment plan. However, with a culture of shame concerning illness and the reluctance to seek medical attention due to economic reasons do not expect the girls to volunteer any information concerning life threatening medical conditions.

Streetlooker,

I feel for you, as you have found out and my recent trip reports have claimed, the girls in Angeles are much fatter, much uglier, full of excuses not to barfine and when they do its 1 pop and out the door for full payment and expected large tip.

Guys claim, lower your expectations, I say why should one have to, many other near bye destinations offer slimmer, much better looking girls that are mostly all willing to barfine and perform what was promised in the bar to the punter at very similar costs and many times less cost.

For me Angeles has become a Korean town, the girls like the way they monger, spending large in the bar and not always leaving with the girls, those who do barfine like 1 pop and out the door, Koreans see prostitution for what it is fuck pay and show her the door, unlike most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud, maybe the latter was possible some years back but in the new Angeles the better looking girls have Koreans queuing up for their services so do not have to sell dreams to lonely old westerners to earn large IMHO.

We have many reports on this board of Angeles bars full of stunner, full of girls willing to stay all night for next to no money, I say make a recent visit and stop dreaming, Angeles has changed big time since the raids of a few years ago, the girls are fully clothed, many seek out Koreans only, many are drinks only girls, the stages are full of ugly fatter girls that some might like and call stunners, for me I would say that on average only 1 in every 1000 Angeles girls is worth buying a drink for if one is remotely fussy.

For the guys that are willing to keep lowering their expectations with every Angeles visit then I say knock yourself out, as I have said many times, there is only one reason to visit Angeles now and that is for bareback sex with older, uglier, fatter girls IMHO, yes I know my comments will upset some of the hardcore members but in all fairness newbies want to know what is happening as of now in Angeles and the news is not at all good.

Westerners have deserted Angeles in big numbers over the last few years, that's just fact, walk into any bar and if there is 10 customers most times there will be no westerners, many friends who would once jump at the chance of joining me on my business / mongering trip to Angeles are just not interested in leaving Pattaya / Bangkok to visit Angeles.

Anyways, I hope your trip street-looker improves greatly in the coming days, I have always found Atlantis bar has the best lookers but obviously at the highest prices with lots of bullshit thrown in but make a visit, be patient, buy some drinks, have some fun and should you get lucky like I recently did in Atlantis then a memorable night might be had, good luck you will need it LOL.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1952918]While I agree with your points to a extent and I have walked into many bars and Scanned the place has best you can and leave repeating it over and over again at bar after bar but I feel it does not allow you enough time to find the diamonds in the ruff cause they might not be on the stage yet or it might just be a waitress that's the best looking girl in the bar. Buying a drink allows you time to see both sets of dancers and it also allows for a few of the girls to grow on you from your initial impression of them. I have often blew off a set of girls only to find a few of them more attractive has I get a better look at them. There are so many girls up on some of those stages that a initial walk thru could result in missing the ones that were being blocked by the uglier girls. Plus you can sit and watch the girls and somewhat try to determine personality. Shy girls tend to gravitate to the back of the stage and the aggressive ones up front waving at you. It also gives you enough time to scan the place for the girls sitting with other guys which they picked out before you got there and were more then likely the better of the bunch since they got picked 1st. Sometimes this guys leave and don't take them and she just might be the hottest one but you have to wait to see if he takes her so order drink and chill. This can also work in the oppose way when they have lots of attractive girls and then you have to pick from to many good one then you need time to narrow it down to just one.[/QUOTE]Would agree about the shy ones. I have been in bars where the ugly ones are up front and in your face. They are trying hard to get bar fined. I have taken my time and scanned the whole bunch and have on occasions found a gem at the back. Not drop dead stunners but very hot anyway. They offered great services and once in the room where great fun.

A mate also walked up to the dance floor in Red Bar and virtually pushed his way to grab one shy at the back. She had a great body and pretty face. Initially very shy but once we took her bar hoping and to HS to dance she was a rocket. I did not notice her at all at Red Bar as she was tucked at the back.

So take your time and look beyond the first row. Sometimes there are gems to be found. All part of the hunt.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1952957]My last visit was in August / September. I have never experienced such a precipitous drop in quality of girls. Sure they are getting more picky and have so many more options not just Korean / Jap guys but also keeping in touch with any former customer through all the chat apps.

If you are looking for easy access to "stunners" or 8's or 9's whatever that means, you may be disappointed in 2016. The girls have options so we still have to have some game to bag the elite young ones. I can still pull the occasional recently arrived cute 18 to 22 yo but I am getting a bit long on the tooth so my average has dropped on bagging them. I tend to place the onus on me rather that them. The only variable we can control is ourselves and our demeanor and attitude.

Better to adapt your expectations and game to the current situation, or find a better alternative. Its not like a new AC is popping up in SE asia lately.

Lower you expectations and smile and enjoy Day 6+ is my humble advice.[/QUOTE]Just trying to give a blunt update on the ground situation. But things are looking up with more recent new bar visits. It just might be I picked the 10 worst bars for girls to start the trip still 40 plus to see. I am up to about 20 targets for future encounters. I will get to at least 5 or so of them so its all good. My attitude just has to adjust to a higher financial investment it is what it is.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1952889]Question. We read that a lot these days, that there are fewer and fewer lookers (and less GFE) in the AC bars. Would it not be better to walk in, have a stroll in front of the stage, THEN deciding whether to waste money sitting and having a drink? The bars seem to have us hooked on the scenario: Walk in, sit, order a drink, mama / waitress tries to bring a girl over for LD, etcetera. In reality you don't need to sit, nor order a drink, nor stay if you don't see your quota of acceptable girls; just walk away. The bars have us well-trained.[/QUOTE]The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.

All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.

My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953152]The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.

All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.

My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.[/QUOTE]Excellent Mr International. This is for sure the best advise. One thing though. Once they are out with you treat them like a human.

Cheers.

A158.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1952976]Streetlooker,

I feel for you, as you have found out and my recent trip reports have claimed, the girls in Angeles are much fatter, much uglier, full of excuses not to barfine and when they do its 1 pop and out the door for full payment and expected large tip.

Guys claim, lower your expectations, I say why should one have to, many other near bye destinations offer slimmer, much better looking girls that are mostly all willing to barfine and perform what was promised in the bar to the punter at very similar costs and many times less cost.

For me Angeles has become a Korean town, the girls like the way they monger, spending large in the bar and not always leaving with the girls, those who do barfine like 1 pop and out the door, Koreans see prostitution for what it is fuck pay and show her the door, unlike most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud, maybe the latter was possible some years back but in the new Angeles the better looking girls have Koreans queuing up for their services so do not have to sell dreams to lonely old westerners to earn large IMHO.

We have many reports on this board of Angeles bars full of stunner, full of girls willing to stay all night for next to no money, I say make a recent visit and stop dreaming, Angeles has changed big time since the raids of a few years ago, the girls are fully clothed, many seek out Koreans only, many are drinks only girls, the stages are full of ugly fatter girls that some might like and call stunners, for me I would say that on average only 1 in every 1000 Angeles girls is worth buying a drink for if one is remotely fussy.

For the guys that are willing to keep lowering their expectations with every Angeles visit then I say knock yourself out, as I have said many times, there is only one reason to visit Angeles now and that is for bareback sex with older, uglier, fatter girls IMHO, yes I know my comments will upset some of the hardcore members but in all fairness newbies want to know what is happening as of now in Angeles and the news is not at all good.

Westerners have deserted Angeles in big numbers over the last few years, that's just fact, walk into any bar and if there is 10 customers most times there will be no westerners, many friends who would once jump at the chance of joining me on my business / mongering trip to Angeles are just not interested in leaving Pattaya / Bangkok to visit Angeles.

Anyways, I hope your trip street-looker improves greatly in the coming days, I have always found Atlantis bar has the best lookers but obviously at the highest prices with lots of bullshit thrown in but make a visit, be patient, buy some drinks, have some fun and should you get lucky like I recently did in Atlantis then a memorable night might be had, good luck you will need it LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree why should you have to lower your expectations from the service you are used to receive. I can totally understand the price increases that's just the way it is. BUT I don't understand the drop in service provided and the bait and switch tactics I seem to be seeing has a norm. The Korean invasion is in full blown mode and soon you will not be able to tell if your in Seoul or AC.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953152]The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.

All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.

My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.[/QUOTE]Got to admit I have used this technique with a good pct rate of success. Just blind random picking a bar picking a girl you really don't know what you are going to get. I actually used it yesterday and has luck would have it the girl I picked was a cherry and would go with me but for barhopping and sleep only. Another Damn way the Koreans have fucked up mongering because they except the sleep only deal. Next few day I am using this method and lets see what kid of results we get.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953152]How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price.[/QUOTE]Agreed. This should not be something new for a monger anywhere. I do this everywhere in different cities and countries where there are hos and we know the game and they do the game. I even go further and ask if they do sexual acts like BBBJ. CIM, Anal etc so both parties know what's agreed. This is not looking for a girlfriend. It's simply for sexual enjoyment and the girl is getting paid for it. The need for lady drinks does not exist unless someone just wants to buy the girl a drink.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1953459] Another Damn way the Koreans have fucked up mongering because they except the sleep only deal. [/QUOTE]I was there in September and I had a good time. I have some game at 60 + and I can pull decent lookers (cute sexy 6's /7's w / nice bodies). The guys bitching might be lacking in some way and the ladies they want don't want them. But 80% of the dancers are looking to make money so they will also.

Lessen their expectations too, it's a 2 way street. I agree the talent is down but that fluctuates and it just takes a little more effort on the monger's part. I saw many nice lookers, the stunners (very few) are not available to the western monger, same as in Thailand.

As for the Ks yes they are over running the place and building 10 story hotels recking the dirty ambience that is AC. That said, if they weren't there it would have been a ghost town so the hotels like them, the ladies like them, etc. Without them most hotels would go out of business.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953152]How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? [/QUOTE]So you walk into a bar and and bargain w / your potential bar girl leaving the bar out of the equation? I've never heard of such a thing. So you do this and the bar girl agrees to your price and leaves the bar w / you? I think not. The bar owner / mama would have a big problem w / this method.

Now if you're talking about after she gets off work than yes, or on her day off yes but you're not walking into any bar and not paying the bar for THEIR lady's time. If so, where have you done it? I know your history and it includes avoiding the bars. Please enlighten us.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1952976]Guys claim, lower your expectations, I say why should one have to, many other near bye destinations offer slimmer, much better looking girls that are mostly all willing to barfine and perform what was promised in the bar to the punter at very similar costs and many times less
[/QUOTE]Where might these other destinations be? I would love to know. If you're going to say Thailand than you're really in for arrogant (expensive, full of rules) hotties. You will still have to lower your expectations, Asians have the inside track (big time) for the best Thai bar girls.

Where are these nearby places w / the slimmer, better looking women that perform to your satisfaction at similar cost?? Where?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1952976]
Koreans see prostitution for what it is fuck pay and show her the door, unlike most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud,
[/QUOTE]Your opinion here is where your weakness is and why you have such a low opinion of hard working women who sacrifice a lot to help themselves and their families. This low self esteem comment is meant to help who? You?

There are a lot of professions where people prostitute themselves such as lawyers, bankers, brokers, etc.

The dancers and bar girls look at you and know what you think of them and who can blame them from steering clear of you? Don't worry, you're not alone and in fact (thank you) make the rest of us look good. The rest of us being guys who want to enjoy their company as well as their sex.

Yes, most of the time it is paid for lust but if you play them right "w / some class" you can get the real GFE, true bliss. But guys w / little hearts will not experience this kind of session much, you being one of them hence all the whining.

The whole reason to go to AC (or other PI locales) is to enjoy lengthly ST w / whatever it is you want to do w / your BF. I always do whatever I want to do there. There is no clock there like there is in Bangkok or Pattaya. There are no rules w / taking photos if I want to take them. And if I want to feel skin to skin.

That is also available. What's wrong w / that?

Many ladies are good company and so if I want to hang out w / them it sure as fuck not about my self esteem. It's about having fun. If you can do it you might like it too, having fun that is. The quote of yours I'm referring to now needed to be put right. Don't put other mongers down because you.

Don't like women (or good hearted fun) and that's what bar girls are, women.

Otherwise good luck.

With respect not sure what part of most are not interested in lowering their levels to 6's, I want the best 1% Angeles has to offer, not interested in just fucking anything to put notches on my bed post.

Yes some guys like to put prostitutes on a pedal stool and worship them, I am not one, I certainly don't buy into the crazy notion that Angeles prostitutes have no other option open to them but to sell their pussy to make money, they mostly are in the business for the large easy money IMHO.

Its funny how 80 million pinoys can put food on the table but the few thousand prostitutes cannot, the mind boggles with some of your claims soccer it really does.

As for better destinations to Angeles I would say that all the other Asian destinations have better looking. Slimmer, willing girls that what can be found in the bars of Angeles city.

As I have said many times, if you like what is available in Angeles knock yourself out, but please do not get defensive when other members point out that they see fat ugly girls on most Angeles bars, we report what we see which is exactly the point of this board.

[QUOTE=Socker;1953489]I was there in September and I had a good time. I have some game at 60 + and I can pull decent lookers (cute sexy 6's /7's w / nice bodies). The guys bitching might be lacking in some way and the ladies they want don't want them. But 80% of the dancers are looking to make money so they will also.

Lessen their expectations too, it's a 2 way street. I agree the talent is down but that fluctuates and it just takes a little more effort on the monger's part. I saw many nice lookers, the stunners (very few) are not available to the western monger, same as in Thailand.

As for the Ks yes they are over running the place and building 10 story hotels recking the dirty ambience that is AC. That said, if they weren't there it would have been a ghost town so the hotels like them, the ladies like them, etc. Without them most hotels would go out of business.

So you walk into a bar and and bargain w / your potential bar girl leaving the bar out of the equation? I've never heard of such a thing. So you do this and the bar girl agrees to your price and leaves the bar w / you? I think not. The bar owner / mama would have a big problem w / this method.

Now if you're talking about after she gets off work than yes, or on her day off yes but you're not walking into any bar and not paying the bar for THEIR lady's time. If so, where have you done it? I know your history and it includes avoiding the bars. Please enlighten us.

Where might these other destinations be? I would love to know. If you're going to say Thailand than you're really in for arrogant (expensive, full of rules) hotties. You will still have to lower your expectations, Asians have the inside track (big time) for the best Thai bar girls.

Where are these nearby places w / the slimmer, better looking women that perform to your satisfaction at similar cost?? Where?

Your opinion here is where your weakness is and why you have such a low opinion of hard working women who sacrifice a lot to help themselves and their families. This low self esteem comment is meant to help who? You?

There are a lot of professions where people prostitute themselves such as lawyers, bankers, brokers, etc.

The dancers and bar girls look at you and know what you think of them and who can blame them from steering clear of you? Don't worry, you're not alone and in fact (thank you) make the rest of us look good. The rest of us being guys who want to enjoy their company as well as their sex..[/QUOTE]Socker,

I just wanted to raise a voice backing you up.

While I understand why veteran mongers would use the point & click strategy elsewhere (FKKs, Macau saunas, etc.), feeling out a BG by talking a bit is a major factor in achieving the desired experience.

I have also found that in AC it is quite easy to find girls that will be affectionate and want to stay long if they feel you are nice / fun.

I can't say that this means "I have game" like Socker mentioned, just that I treat girls with dignity and come in a playful mood.

If the girl is a shark or being bitchy, I would find that out within 2 minutes and before ever buying a drink, whereas girls that are going to provide good service will usually respond to a customer spreading a positive vibe.

I still consider AC a very good destination for westerners and think that Filipino girls are great company.

In short I agree with Socker on most of his statements.

Enjoy, don't hate.

D

[QUOTE=Socker;1953489]I was there in September and I had a good time. I have some game at 60 + and I can pull decent lookers (cute sexy 6's /7's w / nice bodies). The guys bitching might be lacking in some way and the ladies they want don't want them. But 80% of the dancers are looking to make money so they will also.


Otherwise good luck.[/QUOTE]I was there in October and reported in a previous posting. Everyone (except the daytime girls) stayed all night. 3 were 7's, 3 were 8's and 1 was a solid 8. 5/9. I will be back in February for visit number 47 in 13 years to enjoy the company and fun times with the girls. In and out of the bedroom. So far, the Koreans have not really cut into my action at all and I am pretty selective. If you go to AC only looking for a hole with a heartbeat, you will probably experience the dark, 'no-fun anymore' view of some of the posters on this site. Then maybe is it time to monger elsewhere.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953152]The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.

All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.

My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.[/QUOTE]You have not seen the last of it! Some simpletons even go and put a marriage ring on the bar girl hooker!