Angeles City

Day 5 and day 6 has started to see thing turn around thou not drastically. I am still seeing to many old ladies and fuglys on the stages but I have also begin to see some cute ones and there is still enough of them that I will enjoy. I visited the big 4 Tropix, CP BD and Atlantis and they had a bunch of pretty good lookers, but I never wanted to spend the money in those higher end places because I want to stick with my budget. Good news: those bars have somewhat taken the 2-3 tier systems down and now its a flat 3000 for a EWR anyone in the bar you can find. On previous visits I always seemed to put the higher end girls at 4-5 k for there services and I am not about that price range however I am readjusting my budget to absorb the higher costs and will soon be out pulling the girls I want. Day 7 forward should have me out has usual and having a good time.

Observation rants: Has per every other trip I have also been seeing some filthy fat slobs walking into bars has customers, talk and not caring for ones self, some of theses guys look like they have not seen a shower in weeks and have been in the same wifebeater forever. I am going to give one hottie over at Dollhouse a lot of credits for her actress skills because she sat there getting groped pussy grabbed and everything else you can think of by that stinky fat slob all for the price of a 3 dollar drink. Thankfully for her 1 drink was probably all he could afford because he left after just one and she could not go to the back to take a shower fast enough ha ha ha! . And what's with the custom for Indian groups (I assume they were Indians with the head gear I could be wrong) to share girls with each other. A group of 7 guys bought 3 girls a drinks and then they took turns rotating the girls around so that each guy got each girl to sit next to them. I heard the stories of them buying girls and taking them back to their room where others are waiting also. I just shake my head in disbelieve about this sort of stuff.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;1953748]Socker,

I just wanted to raise a voice backing you up.

While I understand why veteran mongers would use the point & click strategy elsewhere (FKKs, Macau saunas, etc.), feeling out a BG by talking a bit is a major factor in achieving the desired experience.

I have also found that in AC it is quite easy to find girls that will be affectionate and want to stay long if they feel you are nice / fun.

I can't say that this means "I have game" like Socker mentioned, just that I treat girls with dignity and come in a playful mood.

If the girl is a shark or being bitchy, I would find that out within 2 minutes and before ever buying a drink, whereas girls that are going to provide good service will usually respond to a customer spreading a positive vibe.

I still consider AC a very good destination for westerners and think that Filipino girls are great company.

In short I agree with Socker on most of his statements.

Enjoy, don't hate.

D[/QUOTE]The problem with point and click is that you might get a cherry girl and its all shot right then and there. Of course you could just send her back up and get another one But that sort of kills my mood because I want my 1st choice. I just leave the bar and repeat at another. You also might pick a girl on her cycle or who smokes which is a disquafier for me no matter how good looking she is, Other hazards you pick a girl with a local baby who will never go long time. Point and click IMO is for short times not longtime.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1953890]You have not seen the last of it! Some simpletons even go and put a marriage ring on the bar girl hooker![/QUOTE]Funny how some guys adore Angeles prostitutes, they claim, she is not a prostitute she is a bargirl and she is only a bargirl because she is so unfortunate in life, all the while building up some love story in their own mind.

Many guys are so hooked that they buy the house and lot, they buy father in law a new truck, they buy mother in law a new scooter and fridge, they pick up all the expenses for the whole family, only to come back to most monger boards and scream out loud with a broken heart / dreams I was fleeced, she has gone back to her pinoy husband / boyfriend and taken the lot, I now have to return back home with not a cent.

They claim, I am not lonely, I do not have self esteem issues, I like the company and conversation of Angeles prostitutes, exactly what they find to talk about to a girl a third of their age who was brought up in a village hut with no education, no TV, no books and no worldly knowledge is just mind blowing.

Its funny that on asking many Angeles expats who married prostitutes would they have done the same thing with a western prostitute all look at me like I am crazy, the mind is sure good at playing tricks on us LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1953656]With respect not sure what part of most are not interested in lowering their levels to 6's, I want the best 1% Angeles has to offer, not interested in just fucking anything to put notches on my bed post.[/QUOTE]Okay good. You most be that one western guy I saw in my 12 days there w / a hot stunner. You are getting the most beautiful women in AC. My hats off to you. But knowing you're a nut my 6 is probably your 10 so skip the kudos.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1953656]Yes some guys like to put prostitutes on a pedal stool and worship them, I am not one, I certainly don't buy into the crazy notion that Angeles prostitutes have no other option open to them but to sell their pussy to make money, they mostly are in the business for the large easy money IMHO.[/QUOTE]I thought I made myself clear but some guys just won't read and comprehend the words. No one is putting anyone on a pedal stool and if they wanted to it's their choice. How does it benefit you to rain on their parade? Some guys like to enjoy the company of a woman (and not get it over quickly like you) whether she sells her body or not, to most she's still a woman. To you apparently they are something less than that. Is it okay if some of us are different than you or do you have to bash everyone who doesn't play the game the way you do?

If I like a dancer enough to buy her dinner what's it you? This is a big issue for you? Do you think I want to hear your whining all the time? Shit. What a bummer you are.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1953656]Its funny how 80 million pinoys can put food on the table but the few thousand prostitutes cannot, the mind boggles with some of your claims soccer it really does.[/QUOTE]Again more ugliness. Have you walked in their shoes? Do you know what it's like to work 2 8 hour jobs w / no breaks? Standing on your feet all day selling KFC? Then after that eat quickly and go to your night job. Who TF are you to criticize any of them? If a lady doesn't want to kill themselves that way why do you have a problem w / their choices? Who are you God? You have to be the most sanctimonious bore that ever posted here. You make no sense what so ever. Logic has no chance w / you and you have a heart the size of a pea. We have the morality police right here on ISG. My opinion is there's something fishy w / you.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1953656]As for better destinations to Angeles I would say that all the other Asian destinations have better looking. Slimmer, willing girls that what can be found in the bars of Angeles city.
[/QUOTE]Then why are you on the Angeles City board? What are you? A glutton for punishment?

I already knew you would have a vague answer to my question. Who on this forum does't already know this information? Thailand has more women, more pretty women etc. Who doesn't know this already?

More meaningless hot air from you but at least it's not insulting. Kudos for that. Unfortunately I can't say this about most of the moralistic gibberish that emanates from you.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1953656]As I have said many times, if you like what is available in Angeles knock yourself out, but please do not get defensive when other members point out that they see fat ugly girls on most Angeles bars, we report what we see which is exactly the point of this board.[/QUOTE]Yes I like what is available there. So why do you have to point out how rotten it is everyday? You're not helping or informing anyone w / quality information. You are just really unhappy and so it's important for you to try and make other people miserable.

The reason I get defensive is because you're insulting guys that are doing what they want and harming no one. Here's another quality opinion from you.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1952976]most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud [/QUOTE]This insult deserves my attention. You have insulted me and many others. Having to see your stinking wrong unnecessary opinions (everyday) is just too much to sit silently and let you stink up the place.

And lastly if you don't like AC then why be a hypocrite and go there. You ***** about the place all the time? I know why. Because you love to whine. If you can't enjoy AC than no one should right?

This pic was taken over a decade ago. Signs like this are often up at many bars in AC. Anyone know how much doorgirls are being advertised for these days? 300,500, 1000?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1954081]This pic was taken over a decade ago. Signs like this are often up at many bars in AC. Anyone know how much doorgirls are being advertised for these days? 300,500, 1000?[/QUOTE]The girls from smaller bars whom I have known receive a quite modest monthly 'salary' requiring them to hustle for drinks + tips which, with the big spending ROK's around is not bad take home. They sure as hell don't get P1000/ day to sit on a stool at the door LOL!

[QUOTE=Socker;1953489]So you walk into a bar and and bargain w / your potential bar girl leaving the bar out of the equation? I've never heard of such a thing. So you do this and the bar girl agrees to your price and leaves the bar w / you? I think not. The bar owner / mama would have a big problem w / this method.

Now if you're talking about after she gets off work than yes, or on her day off yes but you're not walking into any bar and not paying the bar for THEIR lady's time. If so, where have you done it? I know your history and it includes avoiding the bars. Please enlighten us.[/QUOTE]So you walk into anywhere and bargain for whatever you are purchasing. The sales agent knows there is leeway in the price. They can go down so much. If they are not sure then they will ask the boss for approval.

It is not about leaving anybody out of anything. The girl knows how much the bar has to get out of whatever you are paying and she knows how much she is willing to accept for her portion. The bar does not care what portion the girl takes as long as they get what they are due. In AC it is all wrapped in to one so you do not know who gets what portion unless you ask.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1954088]So you walk into anywhere and bargain for whatever you are purchasing. The sales agent knows there is leeway in the price. They can go down so much. If they are not sure then they will ask the boss for approval.

It is not about leaving anybody out of anything. The girl knows how much the bar has to get out of whatever you are paying and she knows how much she is willing to accept for her portion. The bar does not care what portion the girl takes as long as they get what they are due. In AC it is all wrapped in to one so you do not know who gets what portion unless you ask.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;1954088]So you walk into anywhere and bargain for whatever you are purchasing. The sales agent knows there is leeway in the price. They can go down so much. If they are not sure then they will ask the boss for approval.

It is not about leaving anybody out of anything. The girl knows how much the bar has to get out of whatever you are paying and she knows how much she is willing to accept for her portion. The bar does not care what portion the girl takes as long as they get what they are due. In AC it is all wrapped in to one so you do not know who gets what portion unless you ask.[/QUOTE]That's pretty good info but you're shorting the lady when you do that and if she's game more power to ya. In AC the Perimeter Bars are dirt cheap, 1500,1600, pesos for most. That means the lady is getting half or less than half of that 1500 pesos. I don't think you're going to do well bargaining there w / the pretty ones, the mid or lower tier dancers might be up for a low ball offer, especially later in the day.

I have done exactly what you're talking about on Burgos St. Where the high prices are choking the life out of those bars and their dancers. I've bargained w / the mama in the best bar on Burgos and then w / the dancer afterwards but I'm talking pretty fine material here. I got a good deal w / both, that was for the twin spinners pictured in the PG. It was a good night.

So I agree w / your strategy in general but I've never tried it in AC because it's already affordable to me, Burgos St is not affordable or practical and so I needed to learn to bargain there. And after say 1 am the prices should come down even more in AC and Burgos St. That could probably be said of all bars in Asia. Some game will add to your leverage but again, no one likes to be low balled and so there's no guarantee. If I were 25 I'd be pulling bar girls for the cost of a few drinks, or maybe just stay in the USA, there's lots of good pussy here. Those days are over though but my dick thinks he's 25 and acts like it.

Cheers Mr E.

[QUOTE=Socker;1953985]Okay good. You most be that one western guy I saw in my 12 days there w / a hot stunner. You are getting the most beautiful women in AC. My hats off to you. But knowing you're a nut my 6 is probably your 10 so skip the kudos.

I thought I made myself clear but some guys just won't read and comprehend the words. No one is putting anyone on a pedal stool and if they wanted to it's their choice. How does it benefit you to rain on their parade? Some guys like to enjoy the company of a woman (and not get it over quickly like you) whether she sells her body or not, to most she's still a woman. To you apparently they are something less than that. Is it okay if some of us are different than you or do you have to bash everyone who doesn't play the game the way you do?

If I like a dancer enough to buy her dinner what's it you? This is a big issue for you? Do you think I want to hear your whining all the time? Shit. What a bummer you are.

Again more ugliness. Have you walked in their shoes? Do you know what it's like to work 2 8 hour jobs w / no breaks? Standing on your feet all day selling KFC? Then after that eat quickly and go to your night job. Who TF are you to criticize any of them? If a lady doesn't want to kill themselves that way why do you have a problem w / their choices? Who are you God? You have to be the most sanctimonious bore that ever posted here. You make no sense what so ever. Logic has no chance w / you and you have a heart the size of a pea. We have the morality police right here on ISG. My opinion is there's something fishy w / you.

Then why are you on the Angeles City board? What are you? A glutton for punishment?

I already knew you would have a vague answer to my question. Who on this forum does't already know this information? Thailand has more women, more pretty women etc. Who doesn't know this already?

More meaningless hot air from you but at least it's not insulting. Kudos for that. Unfortunately I can't say this about most of the moralistic gibberish that emanates from you.

Yes I like what is available there. So why do you have to point out how rotten it is everyday? You're not helping or informing anyone w / quality information. You are just really unhappy and so it's important for you to try and make other people miserable.

The reason I get defensive is because you're insulting guys that are doing what they want and harming no one. Here's another quality opinion from you.

This insult deserves my attention. You have insulted me and many others. Having to see your stinking wrong unnecessary opinions (everyday) is just too much to sit silently and let you stink up the place.

And lastly if you don't like AC then why be a hypocrite and go there. You ***** about the place all the time? I know why. Because you love to whine. If you can't enjoy AC than no one should right?[/QUOTE]Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1954388]Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]You are able to put good info out w / out demeaning others. Your buddy is not able to do this. Also your buddy bad raps AC everyday so can you ask him to stop. We got it. We know he is better than the ladies working there. We know he only wants his fuck and leave. We know all this because he harps on it everyday.

He helps no one by putting them down as if he is better than most. His method of operation is better than most. Do you believe that? That's a simple question.

Do you think guys who like like bar girls (human beings) they BF and want to drink and go out to dinner have low self esteem? Please answer that.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1954388]Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Have to fully agree yet again Fastpiston.

Members take the time to write up trip reports and informative posts, clearly mark them as being for the information of newbies and want to be visitors, yet because this does not fit in with a couple of the old schools members fantasy of all Angeles prostitutes are angels and hard done by they offer nothing but abuse in return.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the name of this board is international sex guide which to me means reporting on recent trips, what we find, are the girls pretty, are they available, what scams to look out for etc, yet some stamp their feet asking for such members to be banned, ask for such members to be silenced all to keep their fantasies alive.

For the new guys wanting to visit Angeles.

Can one have a good time there? Yes if one is willing to lower their standard of girl, search in many bars, accept much rejection and fully accept that the very few OK looking girls either are virgins, many do not fuck for a living or they prefer Korean customers if they do fuck for a living.

Are the girls willing to stay all night? Only the older more desperate uglier fatter girls that cannot earn enough money from high commission lady drinks IMHO, most OK looking girls that barfine want 1 pop and out the door straight back to the bar for the next paying customer, unlike what some claim och looking girls are in high demand they are in the bar to make large money not to sit around in some old boys room playing the girlfriend, time is money is so true with prostitutes.

Is marrying an Angeles bargirl a good idea, yes if you want to be an ATM machine for the rest of ones days, or to wake up and find out that the pinoy neighbor who you loving lady said was her cousin is in fact her husband, those kids she said were here nieces and nephews are in fact her kids, we are there to pick up the bills while her heart and desires belong to the pinoy father of her kids.

Guys over the years have claimed to me yes but my one is different, she really loves me, I say stop paying her a monthly salary and then you will see how much she loves and wants to be with you, the funny thing is none of these guys have ever had the balls to put their honey kos love to the test, maybe deep down they know the answer already.

Why do I and others tell of such things, is it to be nasty or to hate Angeles or the pi, no it is not, it is geared to arm the newbies or want to visit guys with information that will be of huge benefit on their visits.

I always live in hope that Angeles will improve, that better looking, slimmer girls will be employed, that the bar owners, mummy will put an end to the bullshit the girls pull in the bar and back at the room.

For the guys that only want to hear positives about Angeles city and relationships there are many other boards that cater to the fantasists.

New guys want to know the facts before spending large to visit any destination and that is the job of this board and its members to report what they see so that others may benefit and go on to maybe visit and advise others.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1954388]Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]And what was the problem? The friend IMO was a volunteer, not a victim. We hear so many stories from a friend but never a first hand story. Even if it was first person, IMO he would still be a volunteer. On the other hand we never hear or really know about the outstanding husbands.

Hi,

Went to AC for 2 days from Manila. Stayed at Eurotel. At night went around bars, most girls were so so. Found one cutie 22 yo, no kids, danced a bit with her. Barfined. Walked to my hotel. When in room she took of her panties and commanded me to enter her. Did her missionary and doggy, after I was finished felt asleep. She slept on my chest, woke up during the night, did NE more session. Girl was nice, real GFE. In the retrospective should have used protection. Got damn chlamydia, well its healed now already. Learned a lesson. I like Filipinos, they are friendly. AC is a dump though I must admit. My fav place in Pinas is campaign island.

Why don't you guys do all this arguing via PM's? You're wasting a lot of space nitpicking about each others posts.

And NapaSlapper: people have a point when they wonder why you go to the AC thread at all.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1954388]He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Well that is Nowegians for you FP LOL Softies (and not just in the heart LOL).

This happened to an Aussie mate a few years ago, same thing but she was not a bar girl but clearly a 'party girl'. Came back from his shift in the mines earlier than expected and found the same situation.

Only difference was he knew the local police chief well and had made charitable contribution over the year to help them and their work. So the chief arrested the parents and her sister and refused to let them out until the girl came home.

She did, admitted she was already married (parents knew this also) returned the white goods (these were in her family home with her husband) and she sold the house. Repaid some cash and after all that the parents were allowed out of jail.

Better ending than the Norwegian but a lesson for all.