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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2235004]Is Cleo from Globe now at Sharks or another girl now named Cleo at Sharks?[/QUOTE]I tried to find her based on Payforit's report. I went to the ladies up at the front desk and asked for help. They had no idea of who she was and they had no interest in helping me. Maybe they have so many girls and this is a near impossible task but I think those ladies could be a little more helpful and a little more customer service oriented.
[QUOTE=XDrive76;2234583]Anyone knows if Anjelica from Lithunia (MILF) is this week in Sharks? Greeting.[/QUOTE]
She was there on Wednesday too!
I didn't see Cleo on Wednesday.
[QUOTE=LocoTonto;2235012]If she's the GILF, with really large butt, boobs, blonde, looks about 40+/50, likes to sit near / next to Mandy / Dina, she was there on Sunday past too. And also Thursday, Tuesday, etc. She keeps hounding me.[/QUOTE]And just to know: where are Mandy / Dina normally sitting?
[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2235024]I tried to find her based on Payforit's report. I went to the ladies up at the front desk and asked for help. They had no idea of who she was and they had no interest in helping me. Maybe they have so many girls and this is a near impossible task but I think those ladies could be a little more helpful and a little more customer service oriented.[/QUOTE]You wish! Those ladies have no interest except taking your entry fee. Zero customer service.
[QUOTE=Momosa;2234940]Hey!
I've seen and read a lot in the past 2 days and I've seen the rates post with what should be included in a 50 e /30 m rate. I've never been to am FKK and I've read that I shouldn't tell them that I'm new to even that FKK so I won't get ripped off. My question is. How do you negotiate? I mean if all girls come up and demand 100 for DFK DATY etc and you turn them down (how do you say no so they don't get offended or cut you off totally?
When do you talk prices? I mean you talk with her first and I don't want to be known to the girls that I'm just there to chat and later turn them all down and then the day is ruined etc. Like many other people I am not made of gold so of course I would like to go for the standard rate. On RLD windows in Amsterdam you just start with name, nationality then bam 50 s&f and done. (Some even starts with that).
In privehuise its all set and done when you walk in so this is going to be very new to me.
Also one last question. I've seen that a lot of people say there's lots of upselling in the FKK mainly in Mainhatten and sharks. Why is that and which has less upselling?
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]Well Momosa, it's totally up to you how you negotiate and how much you want to pay for what services. As a guideline, you can read these two posts (unless you have already read them), and use the information as you may please:
1) Chemistry and art of negotiations. Post #7576 in Artemis forum ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1702812&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1702812).
2) Standard rates in German FKKs. Post #10677 in Palace forum ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1867-FKK-Palace-Frankfurt&p=2232361&highlight=Rates[/URL]+Discussion#post2232361).
Remember one thing for sure, whatever maximum you pay once for a service from any girl, that becomes "written on your forehead" as the minimum rate for you for that service from almost all the girls in that FKK (and possibly neighboring FKKs) for next few years. Others may get the same service for cheaper rate from the same girls, but unfortunately not you in near future. So decide carefully when you pay more than the "standard rates".
Good luck in your first ever FKK visit, have fun.
[QUOTE=Momosa;2234940]Hey!
I've seen and read a lot in the past 2 days and I've seen the rates post with what should be included in a 50 e /30 m rate. I've never been to am FKK and I've read that I shouldn't tell them that I'm new to even that FKK so I won't get ripped off. My question is. How do you negotiate? I mean if all girls come up and demand 100 for DFK DATY etc and you turn them down (how do you say no so they don't get offended or cut you off totally?
When do you talk prices? I mean you talk with her first and I don't want to be known to the girls that I'm just there to chat and later turn them all down and then the day is ruined etc. Like many other people I am not made of gold so of course I would like to go for the standard rate. On RLD windows in Amsterdam you just start with name, nationality then bam 50 s&f and done. (Some even starts with that).
In privehuise its all set and done when you walk in so this is going to be very new to me.
Also one last question. I've seen that a lot of people say there's lots of upselling in the FKK mainly in Mainhatten and sharks. Why is that and which has less upselling?
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]First: do not tell them that you are new.
Just go to a girl you like and tell her what you want or like. Then you can negociate or search for another girl. Don't be afraid to say no, there are enough girls.
Remember: you pay the girl (s) AFTER you come back from the room; you pay them at your locker.
[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2235024]I tried to find her based on Payforit's report. I went to the ladies up at the front desk and asked for help. They had no idea of who she was and they had no interest in helping me. Maybe they have so many girls and this is a near impossible task but I think those ladies could be a little more helpful and a little more customer service oriented.[/QUOTE]She wasn't there on Wednesday. I was gutted. I spoke to her blonde flatmate Juliana (big natural see cups pretty but a little heavy) and she has gone home to Ro but only for a short break so if you're there again soon she will be back. Having been to Globe on Tuesday (see report in that thread) I can confirm that so far Cloe is giving Globe service at Sharks. It cannot last. Service there is on another scale. Due to price. DFK is guaranteed and starts in the bar. The girls at Globe are happy to spend more than 10 minutes in interview if they think there is a chance of a 1 hour (280 CHF) room. I get it. It's the same as a guy telling a girl in Sharks he only does 2. 5 hour rooms! But the DFK / BBBJ is skilled and perpetrated with focus and attention to detail. All that said, despite there being more 9's at Globe than Sharks, for me, it's not the better club. The overall ambience of Sharks, the food, the outdoors, the vibe (although the music at Globe is FAR superior) and the choice of options at a cheap price mean for me, Sharks wins the battle.
Cloe is a real star, great service and great fun. We both missed out. I hope you get there soon. For me. I'm unlikely to be back in 2018 though have found an even better option now in Estark 92 in Spain. Anna Marie is just spectacular! I wish you well in your hunt for a session with Cloe. She is worth the wait!
[QUOTE=XDrive76;2235046]And just to know: where are Mandy / Dina normally sitting?[/QUOTE]+1.
Can someone please tell me how to recognize Mandy? Where does she sit?
[QUOTE=Austin28;2235110]+1.
Can someone please tell me how to recognize Mandy? Where does she sit?[/QUOTE]Left side of the bar on the German table, just ask the bar tender or one of the German girl, she was there on Tuesday.
Day 2 in FKK. This is a belated report as I was not free earlier.
Reached Sharks at around 2 pm on Monday afternoon earlier this week. It looked deserted. Very different feeling from the Saturday evening that I spent in bustling World where it was jam-packed with 70 girls and as many men. (OK, to be fair, I should not be comparing a Saturday line-up with a Monday line-up.).
Here at Sharks, I saw only about 10 girls present and none of my favorites, so I went to have a bite in the hope that more would arrive by the time I finished eating.
I saw a redhead with tattoos come into the restaurant, and concluded that this must be Viorica. Studied her face carefully and did not find it to my taste. Body, although slim, was also not really appealing.
However, remembering the numerous very glowing reports about her, especially from Uncle Ox, I decided to try her out. So, when she finally exited the restaurant, I went to her, asked her whether she was Viorica and then asked her whether she was free for a session.
Other than confirming her name, the only thing she said was that she was not free. She then went to the slot machine and put money in, while another man came over to watch her play.
So ego-shattering to have a girl prefer a slot machine over me! Well, I did not find her attractive in the first place, and so moved on to see whether there were other girls to try since my favorites were not around.
Although the line up grew to about 20-25 girls as time went on, they were the same stale old faces. Many with silicones, and faces made up to look very unappealing. Most looked unhappy and their bored looks did not help make them more attractive. (It was so different at Babylon 2 days later where all the girls were walking around smiling and joking with each other and with the customers)
I spent about 2 hours just sitting or walking around looking at the boring and dismal exhibits. Finally, I saw some hope at 4 pm when some girls (not many) I have not seen before streamed in.
Desparately wanting my first room, I approached a cute small slim blonde girl. She said her name was Esra or something like that. But she said no kissing, and BJ covered, unless I paid extra. I was certainly not going to pay 100/30 or 150/60 min for an unknown quality; and while she was reasonably pretty, she was not a head-turner.
So I waited for another of the new arrivals to emerge. Another reasonably pretty one appeared, I approached her and again got the no kissing, everything extra pricing.
Other girls who came in were same old girls whom I had never heen interested in in the past. I walked around the bar many many times like in a picture museum, got totally bored, and decided to wait for dinner at 5 pm and then go back to my hotel, with zero room.
Viorica still at slot machine. Then suddenly this very pretty girl in black fish-net leggings walked in front of my view in the slot machine area. I had seen her a few times from afar in previous visits but had not had a close look of her till now to notice how pretty she was. She had seen me before too but somehow we had never talked.
She said she was Mona Lisa. I said stop joking. She said, yes Mona Lisa like in the Paris museum.
Seemed to have quite a charming personality so we went for a session.
I am surprised that there had been no reports of her at all. She provided really excellent enthusiastic service, and the more I looked at her, the prettier she appears. Very humorous as well. Extended the session, and this made up for the wasted afternoon earlier.
Went for dinner at 6 pm. Then started walking around again. A 3rd new girl I approached, can't remember the name, also said no kissing and only CBJ unless I paid 50 euros extra. This made 3 new girls in a row with same pricing on offer. It led me to think that they have been briefed on coming to this club that this is the going rate that they must insist upon.
To see whether this was really a new club norm, I went to a girl who has been around for a long time but whom I had not sessioned with before as she was not that attractive to me, although she does have many regular customers. Well, no problem getting kissing and BBBJ from her for 50 euros. But not a great end to the day as although she provided good service, I could not get turned on by her looks.
Went back to hotel after that with great memories of Mona Lisa. I still do not know whether she was pulling a fast one on me, so I would be grateful if someone can confirm whether a pretty brunette with wavy hair, slim, B-cup, medium-height, somewhat Latino look, is indeed Mona Lisa was whether she goes by some other club name.
Yes, MonaLisa is a small brunette, gypsy type, smiling, enthusiastic in room. Nice behavior. She uses to stay between pole and fishes.
Viorica is not a top beauty, but a bit of charm, really nice girl and very enthusiastic in bed. She was very honest about club rate for our 2 rooms on same week end on mid June. Some would say she is selective to choose clients, just bullshit, sometimes some girls can be weird behavior, but usually Viorica doesn't start business too early, and worked quite late.
Mondays used to be quite good casting days at Sharks, I had Karolina. Pol on September 2015 , legendary Katalina on mid April 2016 before following her to Globe, she was my reason to go to spend expensive at Globe. I remember also Lena. De, Mandi, Sandra on mondays.
At the moment, sun is shinning for new beauties on north, and some superstars at Globe.
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2235176]Then suddenly this very pretty girl in black fish-net leggings walked in front of my view in the slot machine area. I had seen her a few times from afar in previous visits but had not had a close look of her till now to notice how pretty she was. She had seen me before too but somehow we had never talked.
She said she was Mona Lisa. I said stop joking. She said, yes Mona Lisa like in the Paris museum.
Went back to hotel after that with great memories of Mona Lisa. I still do not know whether she was pulling a fast one on me, so I would be grateful if someone can confirm whether a pretty brunette with wavy hair, slim, B-cup, medium-height, somewhat Latino look, is indeed Mona Lisa was whether she goes by some other club name.[/QUOTE]Her name is Mona, indeed. Often she introduces herself as Mona Lisa. Very cute girl! Always appears to be a bit hyperactive with her movements. Usually can be found on or close to the couches behind the pole dance platform (as seen from the bar).
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2235176]Day 2 in FKK. This is a belated report as I was not free earlier.
Reached Sharks at around 2 pm on Monday afternoon earlier this week. It looked deserted. Very different feeling from the Saturday evening that I spent in bustling World where it was jam-packed with 70 girls and as many men. (OK, to be fair, I should not be comparing a Saturday line-up with a Monday line-up.).
Here at Sharks, I saw only about 10 girls present and none of my favorites, so I went to have a bite in the hope that more would arrive by the time I finished eating.
I saw a redhead with tattoos come into the restaurant, and concluded that this must be Viorica. Studied her face carefully and did not find it to my taste. Body, although slim, was also not really appealing.
However, remembering the numerous very glowing reports about her, especially from Uncle Ox, I decided to try her out. So, when she finally exited the restaurant, I went to her, asked her whether she was Viorica and then asked her whether she was free for a sessio
Other than confirming her name, the only thing she said was that she was not free. She then went to the slot machine and put money in, while another man came over to watch her play..[/QUOTE]I was there on Tuesday, many girls but left without any room, only veteran girls around or very average new one, no need for me to spend my money, since I decided to only session extremely beautiful girls I am saving a lot of money every month, I refuse to go to the room with veteran prostitute like Mandy, Brenda, EMA,. All the pussy are the same after so many girls I start to understand it, some of you will say it is more than time, yes nobody is perfect.
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2235176]
I saw a redhead with tattoos come into the restaurant, and concluded that this must be Viorica. Studied her face carefully and did not find it to my taste. Body, although slim, was also not really appealing.
However, remembering the numerous very glowing reports about her, especially from Uncle Ox, I decided to try her out. So, when she finally exited the restaurant, I went to her, asked her whether she was Viorica and then asked her whether she was free for a session.
Other than confirming her name, the only thing she said was that she was not free. She then went to the slot machine and put money in, while another man came over to watch her play.
So ego-shattering to have a girl prefer a slot machine over me! Well, I did not find her attractive in the first place, and so moved on to see whether there were other girls to try since my favorites were not around. [/QUOTE]This sounds like Karine. Nick the G may be able to help for me but who it the petite little thing that stands at the head of the bar and chain smokes and gambles and has the permanent resting Bia-face.
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2235176]
Went for dinner at 6 pm. Then started walking around again. A 3rd new girl I approached, can't remember the name, also said no kissing and only CBJ unless I paid 50 euros extra. This made 3 new girls in a row with same pricing on offer. It led me to think that they have been briefed on coming to this club that this is the going rate that they must insist upon.
To see whether this was really a new club norm, I went to a girl who has been around for a long time but whom I had not sessioned with before as she was not that attractive to me, although she does have many regular customers. Well, no problem getting kissing and BBBJ from her for 50 euros. But not a great end to the day as although she provided good service, I could not get turned on by her looks.
[/QUOTE]Yep, I think this is pretty accurate. If you want a 50 E /30 Min session but it will probably not be with an awe inspiring girl. IF you want one of the hotter girls, the ante is probably 100 E for an hour GFE.
There has been a lot of talk here. In another thread there is someone bragging about all the 50 E /30 Min dates they do. I average one 50 E /30 M session a day so I realize that it is still possible to survive on these sessions but it probably will not be with just any girl you want. Anyway, I got a pm from someone that frequents the club and said that the girls he mentioned were lower wrung girls so there.
[QUOTE=Momosa;2234940]Hey!
I've seen and read a lot in the past 2 days and I've seen the rates post with what should be included in a 50 e /30 m rate. I've never been to am FKK and I've read that I shouldn't tell them that I'm new to even that FKK so I won't get ripped off. My question is. How do you negotiate? I mean if all girls come up and demand 100 for DFK DATY etc and you turn them down (how do you say no so they don't get offended or cut you off totally?
When do you talk prices? I mean you talk with her first and I don't want to be known to the girls that I'm just there to chat and later turn them all down and then the day is ruined etc. Like many other people I am not made of gold so of course I would like to go for the standard rate. On RLD windows in Amsterdam you just start with name, nationality then bam 50 s&f and done. (Some even starts with that).
In privehuise its all set and done when you walk in so this is going to be very new to me.
Also one last question. I've seen that a lot of people say there's lots of upselling in the FKK mainly in Mainhatten and sharks. Why is that and which has less upselling?
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]First of all, I suggest fishing around the forums and reports from the experienced members to get the answer to your questions plus details.
As you wrote, "should be", however in the big clubs (Oase, Sharks to an extent, Mainhattan and Palace anyway) you'll get plenty of new girls that probably have been drawn there by their blonde girlfriend's story of getting 200 e for 30 minutes by some Chinese guy on a business trip. Therefore, yes upselling is quite common. Learning to express what you want and being able to say no are the key skills in the clubs, whilst still being nice about it.
How much you pay is really up to you, some members here only do 100 e sessions and they in turn will have plenty of willing participants.
But imo, 100 e for 30 minutes is a joke and a rip-off. If you are going to pay 100 e, at least get an hour out of it with all the extras that you want (DFK, BBBJ).
It is inevitable anyway that you'll be turning several down in the big clubs. For some it dampens the mood, whilst other mongers acquire a taste for telling some of these girls to go F themselves.
"I mean if all girls come up and demand 100 for DFK DATY etc and you turn them down (how do you say no so they don't get offended or cut you off totally?" I will do that.
When do you talk prices? Don't worry, she'll be eager to bring that up before you set foot in the room. Most girls will assume before anything has even been said that you're aiming for 30 minutes.
Offended? Why think in these terms? This is business. Lightly give them your position, they'll give an answer. Smile if they say no and "machs gut" (take care) and look around for someone else, or tell them you'll think about it and maybe later. Nothing stops you from reconsidering.
"I don't want to be known to the girls that I'm just there to chat and later turn them all down and then the day is ruined etc".
Well, that's the issue, but usually in the big ones, there's enough girls to try things out with. I assume the girls talk as you said, but as long as you're asking something reasonable, it shouldn't matter. Some cliques don't talk to each other. The best girls don't necessarily go around approaching guys and asking, so inevitably you should be approaching the ones you're interested in anyway.
"Why is that and which has less upselling?
I think Sharks has less upselling per girl, but has more girls in total. I gave the reason above.