Manila

[QUOTE=DonMoscow;2882297]This is completely unnecessary. I did ask many questions recently but I have also written lengthy reports. If you check my posts from July, you will see many long ones. I will link one below.[/QUOTE]Or Westie DM could PM members and chat that way and ask all the questions? Just an idea.

[QUOTE=DonMoscow;2882297]This is completely unnecessary. I did ask many questions recently but I have also written lengthy reports. If you check my posts from July, you will see many long ones. I will link one below.[/QUOTE]I stand somewhat corrected. Of your 30-ish reports, back in August you asked a few Columbia questions, then posted 3 FR's from your Columbia trip. Following that, you asked questions in 23 continuous posts regarding Brazil and Phils. No solid FR's from your Brazil trip. From your questions of the Brazil gents, what did they get in return? What will those on the Phils threads get? We still don't have the link to they vid you mentioned. The board is rife with fellas who ask oodles of questions, then provide little or no input following their trip.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2882347]Or Westie DM could PM members and chat that way and ask all the questions? Just an idea.[/QUOTE]As the only one who has had any input for the good DM was MM, I would suggest that DM follow WR's advice and ask his questions of the old guard members in Private Message.

I also continue to advise DM to simply hit the gogo bars on Burgos Street (not KTV's), as he is looking for straight point-and-shoot.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2882454]
I also continue to advise DM to simply hit the gogo bars on Burgos Street (not KTV's), as he is looking for straight point-and-shoot.[/QUOTE]East asians (Koreas Chinese Japanese Cantonese) Still go to these places. BIG rip off. You pay a flat rate that has a 30% tax. Surcharge added on top of your over all bill. The girls are really cold and standoffish in these place not like the normal GFE we are accustomed to. They will let you grab a tit but act like it was something special. Everything in a KTV costs extra selection fee and VIP room ect. So you are not going to leav e this place without paying at like 2-4 k Plus if you are after sex takes place after hours and will cost another 10 k-15 k So you are looking at double burgos. And 4 x AC on the low end of these KTVs I gave up on the Mabini Street KTVs about 10 years ago. Worst thing that takes place is they mix in layboys into these bars its like rat shit in my free popcorn and you will sometimes be harassed by some dude in a dress. I also don't like that the vermin that hang outside these bars try to make a commission off you by leading you into the bar you decided to go into further inflating your bill. A lot of these girls work there as to avoid having sex for money(they eventually migrate to AC for 1/4th the price) and telling their boyfriends that bar fines and sex is not allowed. If these bars just straight up offered bar fines I think I might give them a shot again but as they are now still scams pass. The absolute least value for money in the philippines. NEVER a fun time for me, obviously made for someone but for the "sex" addict this is not it. In fact the last 2-3 barfines I had in AC were girls who moved from manila to AC that worked in these bars. The papa-sans that recruit girls from these places i think work at GENESIS CLUB last I heard?

To learn more t2 asia4 v on youtube gives a good run down of these places.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2881811]This is not a girl not a chick and more DUDES like HIM are found in gay establishments not available on this forum you'll have to look else where. He has "has some Spanish mixed" into is penis. However I hope you are mistaken and just blue balled and or possibly clinically blind and just need clarification that you are looking to hook up with a man in that video, so be much more discerning in person if you are not purposely looking for men, whatever floats your boat its just against the TOS here. Just as a warning this is, AVOID that corner at all costs, the bar adjacent to "Mickey Color Lens" across from "Remedios Circle" his bar is right next to this store and in that same video (Philippine Christmas! Manila Nightlife Street Scenes! So Many Pretty Ladies!) at 0:39 seconds, he says in a undeniably manly voice "go upstair" If you are looking for ladyboy and ladyboy bars this is not the site for that. Thank you for illustrating why I do not like "latin" looking girls as they LOOK like ladyboys to me at least and I am not into men. Weird that you are asking where to find these when they show you the actual location in the video![/QUOTE]Heavy brow, strong jaw, broad shoulders, and manly wrists. He definitely has some Spanish mixed into his penis, as the unlucky monger who goes upstairs will find out.

Would it be posssible to know what area you were in and what hotels were used for meetings mThx mate!

[QUOTE=HunterMonger;2881628]Hi, Just wondering if you could post SA profile ID or link of the girls you mentioned in your post.

Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Murgh;2880705]How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything? I don't necessary mean one night stand but maybe having multiple girls in rotation.

Is online dating the easiet way or is it better to approach people on public places?[/QUOTE]It's pretty easy since it has happened to me on most of my trips, but not all of them as far as I remember. Sometimes online sometimes public places. I still have some girls I know and one or two maybe would still be ready for sex anytime. I never paid them anything. They have jobs for some money. Some or actually one won't do it anymore like she did when she was younger. That's what she said to me. If it is not a one night stand it might sometimes take some time though. And many of the girls from public places won't have sex with you, some were even virgins. Last time one girl from online suggested a hookup but asked for no money. She was hungry and I bought her Jollibee. The following day she messaged and wanted sex for money. A night for 3 k but I was tired and declined (she was 25 and decent body) and she was willing to go to even 1 k a night. But still declined. Once one girl needed to stay the night in Manila and I offered her my room. So it was sorf of free because room already paid and ended up in sex too.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2882898]It's pretty easy since it has happened to me on most of my trips, but not all of them as far as I remember. Sometimes online sometimes public places. I still have some girls I know and one or two maybe would still be ready for sex anytime. I never paid them anything. They have jobs for some money. Some or actually one won't do it anymore like she did when she was younger. That's what she said to me. If it is not a one night stand it might sometimes take some time though. And many of the girls from public places won't have sex with you, some were even virgins. Last time one girl from online suggested a hookup but asked for no money. She was hungry and I bought her Jollibee. The following day she messaged and wanted sex for money. A night for 3 k but I was tired and declined (she was 25 and decent body) and she was willing to go to even 1 k a night. But still declined. Once one girl needed to stay the night in Manila and I offered her my room. So it was sorf of free because room already paid and ended up in sex too.[/QUOTE]ID agree that freebies are readily available and that sometimes "free" can be far more expensive than a direct cash for services payment.

There are lots of paths and reasons. Here are some, from less to more desirable:

1st stages of a long con.

Buy one get one free programs.

Girlie is happy to stick around for the aircon and nice surroundings.

Payment in kind for a place to stay for the night.

Curiosity.

She is actually attracted to the guy.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Kokoss1;2882755]Would it be posssible to know what area you were in and what hotels were used for meetings mThx mate![/QUOTE]I am going to live in Makati area, city garden hotel.

I have SA subscription, but just want see tested and trialed girls rather than just experimenting as I am going to visit for a week only.

If you provide ID OR SA profile link, I can contact them and have chat with them.

Thanks.

I have been to Abacca several times and have been happy with their service every time. This time I am staying close to Mall of Asia. Are there any similiar establishments in the Pasay area? What I'm looking for specifically is a half decent back and shoulder rub followed by a long and teasing massage with plenty of cock, balls and arse action.

I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service. How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense. There is around 40 million americans on food stamps.

Americans have been a part of inflating the market since covid ended. With overvalued US dollars and cashed saved up from covidyears they go out and overpay and justify it by talking about the overinflated numbers in the US. "I pay at least 400 dollars for a women in the US" bla bla bla.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2881290]" In Vegas two girls wanted 1500 USD each and that was short time mind you. The US to Phil is not apples and oranges its different planets. Why more men don't get the hell out of here I have no idea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2881000]In the west this makes some sense because a dinner will cost you $80-$200 while paying for sex is around $400-$1200.

Conversely in the philippines food costs about $15-$25 and sex is about $40-$80 so it is more equitable to pay for the sex "in the philippines", different country different rules.

It will cost you more to create the illusion of not paying for sex than it would be just paying for it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2883208]I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service.[/QUOTE]There are; but they are mostly freelancers. There are [I]some[/I] freelance escorts that operate online for prices like this.

However, freelancers in the US have a big problem with drug addiction. So most of the US freelancers aren't talked about as "freelancers" but rather as "crack hos" — and are not seen as safe to visit for the average man. (Those men who are [I]on[/I] food stamps just visit them nevertheless.).

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2883208]How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense.[/QUOTE]The trick is that middle-class American men mostly don't poon [I]in America[/I], but rather take "business trips" elsewhere. Who keeps the economies of Mexico, Colombia, DR, etc. Afloat? American men who can't get laid at home. If the average American man could afford the average American prostitute, these countries would have no tourism.

To add at least a little something on-topic: the same problem is at the root of there being so many Chinese and Koreans in the Philippines. The Philippines is to them as Mexico is to Americans: a cheap flight destination where the girls are more affordable than they are at home.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2882728]I left the UK (my home country) in 2011 and prior to leaving I used to pay between GBP50 and GBP80 for sex with working girls (PHP3,200 to PHP5,200). This was in London and also in other big cities in the UK, almost all of the girls that serviced me were Asian, mostly Chinese, with some Korean, Japanese and Thais. I never expected to end up in Manila paying more for sex than I was paying in the UK![/QUOTE]Yes. Euro-FKK type services are (or at least were, pre-covid), available in Europe. Although the Euro threads on ISG also show prices in multiples of this, and sometimes for older fugs*. Also Md's comparison is from 2011 to now. Guessing those prices in London might not be available with young cuties now?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2883208]I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service. How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense. There is around 40 million americans on food stamps.[/QUOTE]Your argument is academic; it avoids reality. Sad face for Americans.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2883208]Americans have been a part of inflating the market since covid ended. With overvalued US dollars and cashed saved up from covidyears they go out and overpay and justify it by talking about the overinflated numbers in the US. "I pay at least 400 dollars for a women in the US" bla bla bla.[/QUOTE]The market was inflated long before covid. When thousands of women command higher prices, its either a concerted effort on their part to 'mafia-up' and hold the line (difficult to believe that any 10 women could agree on any one thing), or its just the market being the market.

Md and KL, we have posted here before American prices, mostly ala AMP's. Prostitution in America is a bit more taboo. Choices are usually: 1) AMP's (Chinese massage parlors), where an older / fugly Chinita massages you with hand job to completion, usually $60 for the massage, and $100 for the HJ, $200 includes oral (covered), and $300 is FS. 2) Escort services (very expensive).

Previously we had my redbook dot com, but it was put out of business in around 2014-ish. It was an online website where girls could advertise and you could make an appointment for incall or outcall. There is no 'set rate', girls were all independent contractors. Typical price were $200 for a chub, fug, or older gal; $300 for an attractive woman under age 30, and $500-$1000 for a college hottie. Those prices might double in the big city. Prices vary widely depending on location. And let me be clear about the girl's requirements: They are long, and steep. As examples: That is PER HOUR, and you WILL WEAR A CONDOM. YOU WILL DEPART THE PREMISES AT THE 60 MINUTE MARK (or alternately, EARLIER IF YOU CUM FAST), AND YOU WILL PAY IN CASH BEFORE EVEN SAYING HELLO. PERIOD. Discounts are given for multiple hours purchased in advance. For instance, if she is $300 for the first hour, she might agree to $500 for 2 hours. About 5 minutes before the 1-hour mark you will hear a 'ding', as she has set the 55-minute alarm, then she tells you its time to get dressed and get out. "I have another client".

While redbook went out of biz, the industry lived on. During covid (and since), prices went up by about 50%. That bit about "I pay at least $400 for a woman in the US" is real. That's for an hour of covered joy. I know gents who pay multiples of that. Having availed of this system before, I can vouch that the girls were as pictured, young and guapa, and they always provided a good service and wanted me to return (and sometimes discounted for future visits, ala -$50 the next time). However its a biz. You either go to her place (CCTV mounted above the front door), or you meet at HER fav hotel (and you pay for the room). Redbook comprised thousands of girls (possibly multiples of that), with the biggest concentration was oddly in Sacramento (you'd think LA or NY). It was a large, eclectic set of ladies available in most locations, but you never saw "150 per hour". Think twice that on the low end. If your biz trip took you to Fargo, or St. George, you could probably find someone in the area available to tickle your fancy. Here is a link to an article from 2015, Wired website "The Rise and Fall of RedBook, the Site That Sex Workers Couldn't Live Without":

[URL]https://www.wired.com/2015/02/redbook/[/URL]

I also know girls in my area who went for considerably less (at times), either due to circumstantial need, emergencies, or drug fixes (crack ho's).

Las Vegas. LV is its own bubble, with all sorts of nawty possibilities. But prices are just as high, or higher. A mate went there pre-covid and met a gal at the hotel bar. She said she could swing by his place later. They exchanged phone numbers. She txt later suggesting she stop by. He agreed. She asked what her compensation would be for an hour of happiness. He took a picture of four $100 bills and sent it to her. Her reply: "Um, you need to triple that. I can give you my discount if you triple that. I will bring a condom. Its one hour". He didn't reply, disgusted at the thought of more than $1000 USD. Also he showed me her pic, she's just blah, late 30's.

ZH is quite right. Americans either put up with these high prices, or we hit Mexico, SA, DR, or asia.

* OTOH. Europe. While the FKK's exist, and one can fly to Germany for these, what other venues exist like this? Where do mongers turn to in France, England, Poland, etc for the lower prices? The ISG boards are rife with gents rolling around Poland or such trying hard to find point-and-shoot poon, finding fugs, paying high prices. I direct you to just one such post (recent):

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?758-Warsaw&p=2871625&viewfull=1#post2871625[/URL]

And to quote:

[QUOTE=LKS2021;2871625]A. Call around 7 pmish time. These girls work during the day, work only for the short window in the evening. They don't answer or even shut off the their sex phones during the day.

Be. [b]No girl will have the real photos[/b]. Polish girls are even more careful on the internet exposure. Don't waste your energy to save the link while jerking off over their photos.

See. [b]Prepare 300 PLN (zloty. Standard price) x multiples.[/b] They don't appreciate the Euros, and they are not smart to do the plus and minus.

The. [b]Polish girls are not really into sex, it seems[/b]. They are extremely careful into hygiene. No kiss, [b]no bare back bjs[/b]. Some are good, some are not.

4. [b]Even at 250 EURO for 1 hour, fake girl comes to your door[/b]. My budget was 100 euro (440 zloty) per hour.

Many posting says 1 hour for 50 Euro. Very hard to find. [b]For 50 Euro, you will get old, saggy, beer bellied woman[/b], but they are still beautiful and better than others.

[b]I was lucky to bump into this woman for incall.[/b] She showed up with long legs (which I love), but she didn't even bring the lubricant. I didn't have Polish money so I gave her 50 Euros and extended hours. I showed the math, but she does not seem to understand, [b]so I ended up spending 250 Euros for 2 shots for 1. 5 hours[/b]. Please prepare 300 zloty, 300 zloty, 300 zloty to extend your hours (if you like girl).

[b][i]Damn Putin! I hate you![/b][/i][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZachHammond;2883217]
However, freelancers in the US have a big problem with drug addiction. So most of the US freelancers aren't talked about as "freelancers" but rather as "crack hos" and are not seen as safe to visit for the average man. (Those men who are [I]on[/I] food stamps just visit them nevertheless.).
.[/QUOTE]Solid explanation, You can always find lower.

$100 Motel 6 crack ho is your. Philippiens equivalent of the Avenida-Recto shabu heads.

Go to Hotel Sogo. Avenida around 10 pm ish you'll see girls for less than 1 k the quality of these girls is 0/10, you can still find them in the day time but they are much less prevalent. This area is EXTREEMLY dangerous past 10 pm and I would not advise any tourist to walk down this street alone after 10 pm. Mostly because of patches of broken streetlights make this very sketchy, Their are no diamonds in the rough here all real rough stones. And the Hotel Sogo. Recto also has the lowest possible form of hooker in the philippines. Recto Avenue used to be known for really shady cinemas the old hollywood blvd kind where you could get a blow job or rub and tug in the heater or rub one out its fabled to still be happening but? No one here considering this group has turned into high rollers for 5 k-10 k a pop would go anywhere near this place.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2883251]Y
Previously we had my redbook dot com, but it was put out of business in around 2014-ish. It was an online website where girls could advertise and you could make an appointment for incall or outcall. There is no 'set rate', girls were all independent contractors. Typical price were $200 for a chub, fug, or older gal; $300 for an attractive woman under age 30, and $500-$1000 for a college hottie. Those prices might double in the big city. Prices vary widely depending on location. And let me be clear about the girl's requirements: They are long, and steep. As examples: That is PER HOUR, and you WILL WEAR A CONDOM. YOU WILL DEPART THE PREMISES AT THE 60 MINUTE MARK (or alternately, EARLIER IF YOU CUM FAST), AND YOU WILL PAY IN CASH BEFORE EVEN SAYING HELLO. PERIOD. Discounts are given for multiple hours purchased in advance. For instance, if she is $300 for the first hour, she might agree to $500 for 2 hours. About 5 minutes before the 1-hour mark you will hear a 'ding', as she has set the 55-minute alarm, then she tells you its time to get dressed and get out. "I have another client".
[/QUOTE]Ah the good old days of sfredbook. I was in the Bay area and regular user and contributor of reviews etc. I have to say, I could always get a decent independent at $200 or less and AAMP experience was 160 for a Taiwanese MILF or $200 for a more attractive Korean. Some of them even offered BBFS, especially if you were a regular. I found BDSM providers as well at reasonable prices. But back then even SA was a gold mine of non-pros who could be got for a whole evening for $300 or less, sometimes even for the price of a meal. I left the US in 2017 so haven't mongered there since then but sounds like its pretty horrible now.

Meanwhile here in Singapore I just fucked a Thai girl for 90 min 2 x for about $100. And even managed BBFS. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2883331]Ah the good old days of sfredbook. I was in the Bay area and regular user and contributor of reviews etc. I have to say, I could always get a decent independent at $200 or less and AAMP experience was 160 for a Taiwanese MILF or $200 for a more attractive Korean. Some of them even offered BBFS, especially if you were a regular. I found BDSM providers as well at reasonable prices. But back then even SA was a gold mine of non-pros who could be got for a whole evening for $300 or less, sometimes even for the price of a meal. I left the US in 2017 so haven't mongered there since then but sounds like its pretty horrible now.

Meanwhile here in Singapore I just fucked a Thai girl for 90 min 2 x for about $100. And even managed BBFS. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie.[/QUOTE]Ya that would be the cost of an AC girl, but with longer recovery time between shots.

Think for a moment of those experiences, not from the standpoint of a repeater or regular customer, just as a john who was fresh off the airplane for his week-long conference today. Could you have gotten BBFS from almost all of them for those prices? And further, what would those BBFS prices be now, post-covid inflationary? I ask for this reason: The previous euro gents were thinking of US prices being similar to euro prices (or even euro prices a decade ago). Comparing such sfredbook experiences for new gents today, and the cheaper euro FKK prices today (to include airfare & hotels), and Phils prices today (to include airfare & hotels). Aren't they 3 different animals?

And as another question: Euro girls, especially FKK. Condom required? Full hour or 90 minutes like EA for 2 pops, same price? How does that work?