Kyiv

This turned out to be pretty interesting experience for me.

First of all, I went into this appointment with zero expectation. I had no intention to give these girls any upper hand by behaving as they expect from horny foreigner.

A night before, I called the agency that PhotoSlider provided me an year ago, I told them all the things as instructed by PhotoSlider to make them understand that I send away non attractive girls.

Had a girl called Anastisia. She seemed pretty young, but not shy at all. After 15 minutes of causal talk, she started undressing herself, which is kind of boring (turn off) for me. I don't seek fun in plain act, have done that like a million times and want to have some game added into this hobby (of course not in a psycho way or the way in which the girl won't enjoy). Had nice sex, and blah blah blah, lots of them talked about this a lot, so moving on.

Showaround girl (Anne). The moment I talked to her, I understood that she has met a lot of horny foreigners who made silly moves on her. Well, I was completely satisfied and had no sure intentions to get in between her legs, but I liked the challenge of seducing her. Had been to many restaurants and later in the bars tasting food and I was having whisky and she was taking it slow with alcohol. After an hour or two, she totally understood that I am not intending to sleep with her and in the third hour, I told her straight that "I do not want to sleep with you, do not worry, just be at ease and show me what you know about this city at night". She had all her guards down, Was totally a different person. I do not remember all the places she took me, most of the bars were in the basement but were full of life. Something me or any other tourist would never be able to explore by yourself. In the end, she slept in my apartment (no sex involved, yeah, that won't make me any less masculine). But just before leaving, she kissed me out of the context, and said bye and left. I do have her number, this is going to be very interesting. And yes, I am not a fool to marry her or anyone infact. This was good experience I was seeking. The jonny in between the legs could be satisfied in many ways, so I googled "erotic massage parlour near me" and went to the closest one and let the masseuse jerk me off emotionlessly.

I can see if some of you think that this was stupid. Well if you do, you do not understand my hobby completely. Play safe and have fun in Kiev. I will be here two almost two more weeks, so there is some more fun to explore.

I will probably go to Kiev and because I never been there I have some questions. And I believe some of those questions should be some sticky post with answers in every country or city thread. I tried googling and reading this forum a lot, but I did not find answers or full answers to that. I would really appreciate if someone can do a bit of explaining to me.

I travel time to time, but so far I only visited girls in Barcelona. I tried apartment brothels and independent girls there. But I have no idea how does it compare to Kiev.

I am sure that some questions might be tagged with a total newbie category, but this is what I am, because out of Barcelona I did not try this and I am pretty sure that things get very different in other countries.

1. What websites should be my basic starting point to search for girls with reliable photos? On google I found several websites and I am pretty sure there are maybe one or two I should stick to and forget about others.

2. I noticed that most girls have price for 1 hour. Does this mean there is no 30 min or I simply have to ask?

3. Definitely everyone has own taste, but I also noticed that some pretty girls post cheap price, compared to some not so pretty girl with double prices. What is approximate price those times for 1 hour with a young and pretty girl? Are prices negotiable or should I not even try for short amount of time? I guess that for few hours or a day I can do a bit of negotiating?

4. Does 1 hour mean paying for time with unlimited sex or cums, or is it for 2?

5. Are things kissing, CIM, BBBJ, Anal included in price or considered extra?

6. Price for threesome is paying 2 x hourly price or is it discounted a bit or expected to add some extra money? Does threesome in Kiev means just that I have sex with them both or they also do lesbian stuff?

7. Where I should look for some group sex, orgies, sex parties?

8. Are hotels and hostels generally friendly about taking a girl over or should I rather go for airbnb?

9. As I do not speak Russian or Ukrainian, how far does English get me? Is it fine to just text girls on Whatsapp and using google translator? In general do a lot of girls use whatsapp?

10. Are there any safety concerns?

11. How is the attitude of the girls in general?

[QUOTE=SloPhoto1990;2366890]1. What websites should be my basic starting point to search for girls with reliable photos? On google I found several websites and I am pretty sure there are maybe one or two I should stick to and forget about others.

2. I noticed that most girls have price for 1 hour. Does this mean there is no 30 min or I simply have to ask?

3. What is approximate price those times for 1 hour with a young and pretty girl? Are prices negotiable or should I not even try for short amount of time? I guess that for few hours or a day I can do a bit of negotiating?

4. Does 1 hour mean paying for time with unlimited sex or cums, or is it for 2?

5. Are things kissing, CIM, BBBJ, Anal included in price or considered extra?[/QUOTE]There are certainly FAR more knowledgeable people than me to answer your questions, but I'll give it a try.

First off, this may be called the sex Industry, but it is still a very, very personal service and not a commodity you are asking about so there may be 20% of facts and 80% of „it depends on you and the girl". Fine to ask for a good price, but don't try to squeeze out the last cent of an already cheap price. - Neither you nor the girl will enjoy it at the end.

Let my try anyway to help.

1. There are no 100% sure bets. Pics on Kiev Escort Club are retouched but at least seem real. All the rest I've seen (relaxkiev etc) seems very much hit and miss. The only dating site I have experience with is Mamba, and pictures seem often real but of course not all. In general, girls with a single Photo-Model like picture (or a set of pictures all in high quality and in the same environment) are often fake and easy to catch with image search / tin-eye etc.

2. -4. No experience with 1 h. From what I read: 1 h is often, up to 1st shot", and that's it.

5. Also just from limited experience, mainly on Mamba: BBBJ is not hard to find but often standard for escort sites. CIM is less frequently offered.

6. Very obviously depends on the girls you choose. Enjoy the cheap price and stop thinking about saving a few dollars more.

7. Also not my specialty. Sorry. Mamba has „orgies" as a criteria, so you could try to ask one of the girls who has this in her profile, but you'the definitely need a good local contact.

8. I recommend airbnb.

9. I find the language barrier to be a big issue so far. Especially for longer meetings, „English only" either restricts your choices to less than half, or you will have less fun because communication is difficult.

10. Kiev feels as save as other big cities, despite the high share of people with a very low income. I find that people are mostly very friendly.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2366815]This turned out to be pretty interesting experience for me.

First of all, I went into this appointment with zero expectation. I had no intention to give these girls any upper hand by behaving as they expect from horny foreigner.

A night before, I called the agency that PhotoSlider provided me an year ago, I told them all the things as instructed by PhotoSlider to make them understand that I send away non attractive girls.

Had a girl called Anastisia. She seemed pretty young, but not shy at all. After 15 minutes of causal talk, she started undressing herself, which is kind of boring (turn off) for me. I don't seek fun in plain act, have done that like a million times and want to have some game added into this hobby (of course not in a psycho way or the way in which the girl won't enjoy). Had nice sex, and blah blah blah, lots of them talked about this a lot, so moving on.[/QUOTE]I could understand your game. I like that too. Don't getting rushed into bang bang. Rather play it slow. I will visit Kiev beginning October too.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2366217]...Re the advice about not speaking to the bouncers inside the club. I find it useful in my own way. People do what works for them. Even a nice smile, short chat and a decent tip at the coat check goes a long way for me. I am just sharing what I do and I am not preaching...[/QUOTE]Rio bouncers are a little more reserved due to line of business they are in. At Avalon I treat waiters and bouncers as human beings, and they helped me more than once in anything from finding a good tailor for minor dress short repair before going to Theater, to simply greeting me with sincere respect when I walk in with a new lady at my hand. I certainly do not walk by passing them as a piece of furniture. No need to assert me that way. I wouldn't say it changes anything radically, but it doesn't hurt. Waiters do not try to offer the most expensive meal, and hostesses at the roof top terrace always find a table, even without extra cash slipped in their hand on Friday night when the venue is full.

To each his own. Avalon staff will not be offended, and will provide excellent service in the background, when guests are busy and ignore them. They are trained not to intrude when privacy is required during conversation or more intimate things with a lady, like a tender or even more passionate kiss. I didn't see going for more there. Upper 7th floor terrace has gazebo tents with curtains for even more protection from unwanted curiosity. I never paid for those, and ladies love staying inside when the night is pleasant and romance is in the air.

[QUOTE=Peterxyz;2366977]There are certainly FAR more knowledgeable people than me to answer your questions, but I'll give it a try.

First off, this may be called the sex Industry, but it is still a very, very personal service and not a commodity you are asking about so there may be 20% of facts and 80% of it depends on you and the girl". Fine to ask for a good price, but don't try to squeeze out the last cent of an already cheap price. - Neither you nor the girl will enjoy it at the end.

Let my try anyway to help.

1. There are no 100% sure bets. Pics on Kiev Escort Club are retouched but at least seem real. All the rest I've seen (relaxkiev etc) seems very much hit and miss. The only dating site I have experience with is Mamba, and pictures seem often real but of course not all. In general, girls with a single Photo-Model like picture (or a set of pictures all in high quality and in the same environment) are often fake and easy to catch with image search / tin-eye etc..[/QUOTE]Thanks man, don't even worry for not being knowledgeable enough or something. Every advice counts, especially because we all get different experiences with same or different girls.

Here's what I have found so far on my recent trip, this week:

A. I tried "Shooters on Wednesday night". Number of working ladies present: zero or near zero. Every girl there was either dancing with other girls, or an age appropriate guy. Nobody gave me any positive signals, and there had to be 20 older guys like me, all standing around with our thumbs up our asses. Disappointing.

Be. I have been to Paradise Cabaret. Ultimate rip-off. 700 UAH just to enter. I sit down, check out their menu. What sounds like a regular lap dance, for "7-9 minutes", is 60 fucking dollars. That would be a ripoff price in the USA, who do they expect to pay this? Some hot stripper hit the stage, I asked to meet her, she sat with me. She kept pushing me to buy something to eat or drink together. 3300 UAH, or $130 for a meal or about the same for some wine. These are marginal prices even in the USA, who the fuck pays for services at this club?

See. I have been to Rio. Rip-off but not quite as bad. A lap dance is pretty long, seems to be a couple songs, and about $40 US. And it's inside a complete private room and I assume stick shifting and other activities are available. Still not very dollar efficient, and I messaged a girl asking what the rate was, and she quotes me $300 USA For an hour. Again, this is the same price you'd get in most cities in the USA.

The. In Arena City there's a basement strip club. It's not Men's club, think it was Harem. I went there, tried out the $80 "erotic massage with open legs". It's not what it sounds like, the girl I picked refused to touch my penis but said I could jerk off if I wanted. But for another $200, I was able to bring her back to my apartment for sex. She just kinda lay on the bed like a dead fish with a really loose vagina, however.

E. I haven't tried Sky Bar yet, it's only open Friday and Saturday, but I intend to. Will report back.

F. In Arena City, near the entrance, after about midnight, there are brothel touts. I found one last night who took me around to the "secret" apartment brothels.

1. Brothel 1, it's 2100 UAH and I've been there at least 10 times. Girls are lined up in bra and panties, so you can clearly see who has the best body, and many of the girls are adventurous. Usually the activities are covered but a bare stripper slide is pretty common.

2. Brothel 2 is in the same building as brothel 1, just on the 3rd floor. 4000 UAH, I checked out the girls. Hot but not obviously hotter than brothel 1.

3. Brothel 3 is in an adjacent building. 2600 UAH, but these girls actually seemed lower quality than Brothel 1.

4. Brothel 4 is right across the street from Gullivers. 2100 UAH and I had a girl there last night who looks exactly like a model playing an airline flight attendant. Miniskirt, tall, legs for days, skinny enough her ribs are showing. Basically my preferred body type. She was sweet though not as adventurous as many of the brothel 1 girls.

Conclusion: the apartment prices seem to be the "real" prices, everything else is a ripoff. Some of the girls I have seen in these places and fucked for $85 would be the kind that ask for more than $1000 a session as escorts.

One more avenue I am looking into: I suspect finding a part-time mistress through a website like SA or others might be fruitful. I have done this in the USA, and always convinced the girl to go bareback eventually. (might be a good idea to get her and me both instant HIV tested first here, of course).

Or find a young college student on mamba or somewhere similar. This would mean a lot better sex and probably some overnights, for a cost to my wallet similar to going to the apartment brothels.

Hi,

I have visited Kiev last year (Sep 2018) and I'll go over my mongering game plan at that time.

I was there for 1 week Thursday to Wednesday of the following week. My goal was to try out my normal game and if all else fails.

I would pick up some hookers. I'm over 40, however; I look like I'm late 20's to early 30's. I stayed at a hotel in arena city.

1. I went to Caribbean club on Thursday and talked to 4 girls total that weren't hookers and bought drinks and tried to mingle.

They had good English, seemed a bit older. Maybe late 20's to early 30's. They all seemed to enjoy the drinks and wonder off after talking for a bit.

The 2 girls that caught my eye were a tall blonde and a shorter blonde. I talked to the tall blonde first and right away she said lets go back to your place. I was horny.

From my flight so I decided hey let me try out a Slavic girl. Bring her back to my hotel and do the dirty deed. I think the fee was 2500 uah. I didn't know the going rate at the time so.

I was happy to pay the fee. She got really wet fucking me. However, I was so drunk I didn't cum. She leaves after an hour. I'm still horny and take a quick shower.

And head back to Caribbean club. I pretty much gave up talking to any "normal girl" at that time and decided to pickup another hooker. I found a skinny brunette standing by herself and introduce myself and ask if she would like to have a drink.

With me. She drinks for a bit and has small talk and asks if I want to have a cigarette with her outside. We talk outside and she immediately asks if she can come back to my hotel for a fee. I say sure and we head back to my hotel. I notice her.

Clothes look dingy and didn't pick it up at the time we were inside the club. When she took her clothes off she smelled like bad bo. I told her take a shower and she did. However, she still smelled bad. I should have turned her away but I was horny and banged her anyways.

She said she wanted to see me the next day for no money. I got her number and never called her. I fall asleep afterwords. Over the weekend I tried scarlette and Rio strip clubs. I remember Rio had some girls I liked, however; I didn't like the vibe and left for scarlette. At scarlette I got some dances from some hot girls, I asked during the dances if they wanted to go back to my hotel. They said no and I was kinda pissed as they seem like they couldn't be bought. I go back to my hotel which has skybar at the top of hotel. Skybar face controlled me and said no with an angry voice. I was dressed in a blazer and 2 girls that tried to get in before me were face controlled as well. I kept hearing skybar wasn't supposed to be open until months later. However, I heard music and wanted to get in. The rest of my trip I met people from couchsurfing to show me around the area and didn't do much mongering like I should. One girl bought me multiple beers, however, kept mentioning she had a boyfriend so I didn't press the issue. Really sweet girl I would like to have had the opportunity to date. Around arena city by the kebab store some people tried to show me around some brothels. I went on 2 visits and they didn't have many girls, the girls I seen were a little overweight for my tastes. I said no, however; the guides were really nice. I bought them a coffee. My last 2 days I met a girl from couchsurfing and we went to a karaoke bar that I can't remember the name of. She and I hit it off and fucked at my place for free for the next 2 days. She kept insisting I stay in Kiev longer. I had a trip to Lithuania for another week before I headed off to the states. I said goodbye to her and she and I kept in touch.

Well fast forward to Sep 2019 I have booked a trip back to Kiev. I have 10 straight days there.

My game plan this time is to do more day gaming on girls to try to get dates where I can fuck for free. My fallback plan is I will end the night with some hookers and possibly get some pregame going on with escorts.

Then go out with my dates.

So, I tried Caribbean club last time. My observation was.

1. lots of older women, some hookers. However, not a lot to brag about to want to bring back.

I want to try these nightclubs.

1. Dfleur=.

2. Shooters=.

3. OK bar=.

4. Byblos=.

5. serebro=.

6. Forsage=.

Some bars I would like to go to, however; I hear you have to know more russian to get by.

1. Pink freud.

2. sorry babushka.

Again day gaming girls for dates (not letting them know I will only be in town 10 days) to try to get free sex is priority. Trying some night game to get ONS or dates.

Backup plan is hookers / escorts. I'm into tall athletic girls to petite girls, I have a preference for blondes.

I might try Rio stripclub again probably last 2 days if all else fails as I can actually see what they look like. Is there any other better strip clubs in Kiev? The bait and switch escort sites I keep reading on here turn me off as.

I don't want to waste time on fatties arriving at my airbnb.

Let me know about these bars / nightclubs for the past 2-3 months. Which ones are good on the weekend, which ones are good to go to on the weekdays.

Has anyone tried Seeking Arrangement in Kiev? I checked, there's a large number of girls (several hundred), and the fee seems to be still $90, which creates a barrier to entry. I don't have enough days remaining on this trip to invest that much, but I have noticed a huge response rate. (you get a certain number of free messages with a free account). Much higher than SA in the USA. And there's no need to filter by body type. I haven't seen a fat girl on SA yet, and girls that consider themselves "average" are still skinny by USA standards.

It looks promising. Of course, one problem is that girls on this site may have unrealistic expectations, wanting USA level compensation, which would be stupid to offer them.

[QUOTE=Shanamat;2362513]Hey MNP, I'll be in Kiev then. Hit me up, my schedule is pretty open.[/QUOTE]Nice, how do I contact you? It doesn't look like you can receive PM here.

I am a silent reader and follower of the Ukraine forum, I believe Ukrainian girls are the best looking girls in the world and there is no match. Stand by the McDonalds at Khreshatyk street and one can see pure drop dead gorgeous by the second. Some of them are amazing in bed while others are just plain dead fish more of the latter. When there is so much beauty there comes a negative side too. I find them lazy and they do not wish to work and rely on their looks, nothing wrong in there but most if not all want to make quick buck through scams / cheating. I have banged various chicks from multiple cities of Ukraine like Kiev, Kirovograd, Sumy. Kharkiv is a nice university area but almost all are involved in scams. Just see the below and one can understand what I am trying to say. Just be careful with Ukrainian chicks when dealing with $$ keep banging and make them scream in bed. Stay safe.

Matches my point of view to the dot. Well said.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2367122]Rio bouncers are a little more reserved due to line of business they are in. At Avalon I treat waiters and bouncers as human beings, and they helped me more than once in anything from finding a good tailor for minor dress short repair before going to Theater, to simply greeting me with sincere respect when I walk in with a new lady at my hand. I certainly do not walk by passing them as a piece of furniture. No need to assert me that way. I wouldn't say it changes anything radically, but it doesn't hurt. Waiters do not try to offer the most expensive meal, and hostesses at the roof top terrace always find a table, even without extra cash slipped in their hand on Friday night when the venue is full.

To each his own. Avalon staff will not be offended, and will provide excellent service in the background, when guests are busy and ignore them. They are trained not to intrude when privacy is required during conversation or more intimate things with a lady, like a tender or even more passionate kiss. I didn't see going for more there. Upper 7th floor terrace has gazebo tents with curtains for even more protection from unwanted curiosity. I never paid for those, and ladies love staying inside when the night is pleasant and romance is in the air.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Habeed;2367571]Has anyone tried Seeking Arrangement in Kiev? I checked, there's a large number of girls (several hundred), and the fee seems to be still $90, which creates a barrier to entry. I don't have enough days remaining on this trip to invest that much, but I have noticed a huge response rate. (you get a certain number of free messages with a free account). Much higher than SA in the USA. And there's no need to filter by body type. I haven't seen a fat girl on SA yet, and girls that consider themselves "average" are still skinny by USA standards.

It looks promising. Of course, one problem is that girls on this site may have unrealistic expectations, wanting USA level compensation, which would be stupid to offer them.[/QUOTE]Tried SA on my last trip. Not worth it.

The charges are hilarious, and service would be very restricted.

Out of 3 girls I met, only one was worth the effort and cost.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2367795]I am a silent reader and follower of the Ukraine forum, I believe Ukrainian girls are the best looking girls in the world and there is no match. Stand by the McDonalds at Khreshatyk street and one can see pure drop dead gorgeous by the second. Some of them are amazing in bed while others are just plain dead fish more of the latter. When there is so much beauty there comes a negative side too. I find them lazy and they do not wish to work and rely on their looks, nothing wrong in there but most if not all want to make quick buck through scams / cheating. I have banged various chicks from multiple cities of Ukraine like Kiev, Kirovograd, Sumy. Kharkiv is a nice university area but almost all are involved in scams. Just see the below and one can understand what I am trying to say. Just be careful with Ukrainian chicks when dealing with $$ keep banging and make them scream in bed. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Can you please expand on that last sentence. I am visiting Kiev for some fun with girls soon and safety is one of the questions I have about that.

[QUOTE=Hobbyman6969;2367468]Hi,.

Backup plan is hookers / escorts. I'm into tall athletic girls to petite girls, I have a preference for blondes.

I might try Rio stripclub again probably last 2 days if all else fails as I can actually see what they look like. Is there any other better strip clubs in Kiev? The bait and switch escort sites I keep reading on here turn me off as.

I don't want to waste time on fatties arriving at my airbnb.[/QUOTE]So far I have found the "secret" apartment brothels are by far the best value. (short of setting up a long term relationship with an independent) There is no risk of the fatties, because you can see the girls in the line up (and just leave if none of them fit your taste, I have left quite a few lineups). The way to find them is to either PM me and I can give you the addresses, or just go to Arena city, and find Alexi or one of the other brothel touts. Super easy to find, literally just walk in there through the entry way and touts will ask if you want to see the girls.

There is a brothel in arena city itself. It sucks, don't go there, but there's more apartments outside.