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This is not a specific report but more of a general question based on my personal experience. Kind of an odd question and I tried to see if someone asked something similar before but could not find much. I am probably an unusual type of client for the bar girls. I suffer from ED that is of psychological origin. Otherwise I have a normal (sometimes high) sex drive, can reach orgasm with no problems just can't sustain an erection for intercourse. Usual drugs (Cialis, Viagra etc) don't work very well for me (again due to psychological nature of the problem).

But that's not why I am here. My question is whether people who have similar problems can share tips in how to explain this to the girls in order to avoid misunderstandings and unpleasant situations. In my limited experience (4 "pleasure trips") most girls have a hard time understanding what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for mutual masturbation, lots of cuddling and all other possible ways to enjoy lovemaking without actual penetration. Often the girl thinks I will be disappointed if I can't keep my erection. She probably fears I won't tip or I might think she provides poor service or whatever. One time the girl tried frantically to arouse me which had the opposite effect. The funny thing, from a girl's perspective, I should be a preferable client because she earns the same amount without having to actually have intercourse. But, in most cases, the attitude from her was awkwardness rather than relief.

It is true, that, I bring the subject of my problem only in the room after getting naked. To confuse the problem further, I do get erections during foreplay I just can't keep them when starting intercourse so, probably, the girl may think she is doing something wrong.

Again, I'm not posting this to find solutions to my problem (I know this is not the ideal forum for it). My question is whether there are any punters who deal with ED that they cannot improve with drugs and, in that case, what advice do you have in how to still have an enjoyable encounter with a girl: when to tell her (before or after going to the hotel), how to explain that I will be perfectly fine without intercourse and all other things related. I just want her to simply ignore my problem and not worry about it. Also if you know whether there are discussions already posted on this topic, I would appreciate pointing them out to me.

[QUOTE=JustAwny;1980739]It's definitely a lesson learned not to give out my location and fb without meeting in person first.[/QUOTE]Yet another reason to have a separate, fake FB account, with no pic of yourself. Later, you can cam-to-cam with your intended (don't turn your cam on until the girl turns hers on first).

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;1980793]Again, I'm not posting this to find solutions to my problem (I know this is not the ideal forum for it). My question is whether there are any punters who deal with ED that they cannot improve with drugs and, in that case, what advice do you have in how to still have an enjoyable encounter with a girl: when to tell her (before or after going to the hotel), how to explain that I will be perfectly fine without intercourse and all other things related. I just want her to simply ignore my problem and not worry about it. Also if you know whether there are discussions already posted on this topic, I would appreciate pointing them out to me.[/QUOTE]CE, thanks for having the courage to post this question. There was a related discussion about ejaculatory "dysfunction" in the thread "Filipinas--Opinions and Advice" that ran from about the 19th to the 24th of December. You may want to check it out.

I think in interactions with these girls there are at least three underlying problems. First, despite their seeming to know English, they often pick up only the high points of things we say to them and do not pick up on subtleties and details. This complicates the task of trying to communicate these issues in the bar, especially since most of the bars are not good environments for intimate conversation. So, if she doesn't quite understand what you're saying, she may dismiss you in her mind as too complicated, especially if there are other potential customers whose expectations seem more straight-forward.

Second, there is the issue somebody raised in the ejaculatory dysfunction discussion in the other thread that some Pinays take it personally when you don't cum. They think it's because of something about them. So this rears its head in the bedroom rather than the barroom.

Third, despite having experienced a lot of straight-forward fucking with a variety of men, most of these girls are still comparatively young and really can't comprehend these other kinds of issues, so many problems with erectile and ejaculatory dysfunctions get interpreted through the lens of the second problem: "I'm not sexy enough or a good enough performer to make him cum."

I have not experienced the kind of psychological barrier you allude to, but, at 69 years of age, I have occasionally experienced ED despite using blue pills. One of the lessons I have learned is that I can cum from a BJ or an HJ even without a full erection. Frankly, depending on the connection you have with the woman, cumming in a woman's mouth seems almost more intimate, more giving on her part, than cumming in her vagina. These are things for you to think about on your own, but one way to understand ED is that it's only a hindrance to being able to enter her vagina, and not a barrier to cumming.

My first suggestion is that you tell the girl you would first like to go out for a drink or something to eat somewhere else. In advance you will have scoped out potential intimate venues where you can take her. Getting her to a more intimate setting accomplishes several things. First, it makes it more possible to talk intimately. Second, it gives you a chance to show her you're a good guy rather than a weirdo. Third, it gives her an incentive to stick with you; she's already invested time in you, and to give up at that point means starting all over again with other guys if she goes back to the bar. Fourth, it tells her you're invested in her, and hopefully this makes her feel special.

When you do discuss your issue with her perhaps you can frame it in terms of things you want to do rather than things you don't want to do or can't do. In my case, for example, I love to go DATY, and I sound them out on this before we set off. I also ask about BJs etc. So you could just sound her out on the kinds of things you would like to do. Some of the girls don't want to cum with customers, but if you sound out with her that her cumming is in the cards, then you can offer to get her off with your tongue or fingers. In the bedroom a couple of fingers crooked upward into the area of the G-Spot may work faster than your tongue on her clitoris, and the orgasm is often more forceful. As a part of the same conversation, you simply work in some conversation about what kinds of activities will make you happy in the bedroom. Will she do BJs, will she allow CIM? If she will do BJs but not CIM, then you just prepare her for when you're close to cumming. From this kind of conversation she goes into the bedroom with more realistic expectations about what's going to happen between the two of you.

I hope some of these ideas help, and please report back about your experiences. I'm sure there are others in the forum who can benefit from your experience and your willingness to put your issue out into the open.

One other small suggestion: go ahead and join ISG. It's only $20, and some guys might be more comfortable talking about this stuff in a Private Message rather than out on the open forum. It's a small investment into a wealth of knowledge from the experiences of many guys who have made thousands of posts here.

ChaosErrant,

As the doc explained it to me, as you get older it is harder to maintain an erection because you have leakage of the blood out deflating the erection, especially in the missionary position. Try doing cowgirl as it may be easier to maintain an erection in that manner. I know without vitamin V I am trying to beat the deflation clock and it is easier to maintain one on my back. Give it a try.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1980777]BTW, I have known people previously treated by Dr. Guzman and have high remarks for the doctor.[/QUOTE]He's very good and his one-armed injection technique is something to see. But he's a lot more expensive than an AC short time!

I just returned from 4 days in AC. NY eve was a let down. Many restaurants and some clubs were closed. And even the mega clubs had few girls. At 11 pm, Atlantis had 5 girls. It was ripe with tourists as many hotels were sold out. But few girls at the bars. I guess the girls want to be with their family more than make $.

A new hussle was observed: teenage boys come running up on you and block your path and start singing to you hoping to get tips. They need to not be so aggressive. They are going to get knocked out by a defensive tourist. Blocking anyone's path is not wise.

More report coming later.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1981097]One other small suggestion: go ahead and join ISG. It's only $20, and some guys might be more comfortable talking about this stuff in a Private Message rather than out on the open forum. It's a small investment into a wealth of knowledge from the experiences of many guys who have made thousands of posts here.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response and suggestions. Good idea also with the ISG membership. I just purchased a subscription.

Back to the original post, in my previous visit to AC (last year) one experience with a girl was a very positive one. With others, not so much, though in at least one situation it could be my fault for choosing a girl who was too new in the job. A much worse experience I had in Thailand but there I chalk it up to the language barrier. In any case, I will visit AC soon again and will get back with a report.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1981226]I just returned from 4 days in AC. NY eve was a let down. Many restaurants and some clubs were closed. And even the mega clubs had few girls. At 11 pm, Atlantis had 5 girls. It was ripe with tourists as many hotels were sold out. But few girls at the bars. I guess the girls want to be with their family more than make $.

A new hussle was observed: teenage boys come running up on you and block your path and start singing to you hoping to get tips. They need to not be so aggressive. They are going to get knocked out by a defensive tourist. Blocking anyone's path is not wise.

More report coming later.[/QUOTE]I was there NYE 2 years ago it there wasn't any big celebrations then. I had notice on FB that a certain bg had posted 50 plus pictures of a NYE party at her house. In some of the pictures were at least 5 other lovely girls with her. I am not sure if they were bg or not but they certainly were slim and cute enough to be. So I messaged her a HNY and she responded the same back.

Then I asked her why she wasn't working and she said it was more important to her to be with family and friends than the money.

I also noticed other Pinay friends posting pictures of their family dinner parties and NYE celebrations. Later in the evening there were fireworks by the families. Apparently NYE is a big family celebration to bring in the new year. I can remember that years ago when I would barely get by each year and would always wonder in December how I even made it through the year that I would go out NYE. Going out NYE was like bringing in a New Year and hoping and hoping that it would bring better luck and money. It would be like a ritual to bring better luck and business.

I could understand if this was the need for the celebrations and for the family to get together.

I have seen before the groups of small and big kids running up with a collection can or plastic soda bottle performing songs or dances. Even more so before Christmas. Mostly pretty harmless.

Hey all,

I'm about to make my second trip to AC. Last time I ended up enjoying the FL experience more than BGs, so I'm thinking about trying out chat apps this time around. I've a few questions in that regard.

1. What are the best chat apps to use in AC?

2. What should I expect to pay? Last time FLs were mostly asking 1.5 k plus a 500 tip.

3. Quality of girls vs BG and HiSo FLs?

4. Any other pro-tips?

Soapy Smith has some great advice. While I have had 1 or 2 episodes of ED with a girl, it is rare and was all in my head (mind). But here's what an older friend of mine does and seems to work well for him. For starters, he always makes friends with the waitresses and mamasan by buying them a drink and making small talk. After befriending them, they generally ask what kind of girl he likes or he will ask who's a nice girl that will be able to take care of him. Then the simple words he uses that I think makes it clear to them and the girl as he jokes with them is he'll say something to the effect that I'm not a young man anymore and I have "no power". Every single waitress / mamason he's told this to clearly understood what this meant and then proceeded to recommend girls. He seemed to usually get a girl recommended that clearly understood they would need to work harder and be patient. Of course this also meant he would tip a little more. Give it a try. Good Luck.

JR.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;1980793]This is not a specific report but more of a general question based on my personal experience. Kind of an odd question and I tried to see if someone asked something similar before but could not find much. I am probably an unusual type of client for the bar girls. I suffer from ED that is of psychological origin. Otherwise I have a normal (sometimes high) sex drive, can reach orgasm with no problems just can't sustain an erection for intercourse. Usual drugs (Cialis, Viagra etc) don't work very well for me (again due to psychological nature of the problem).

But that's not why I am here. My question is whether people who have similar problems can share tips in how to explain this to the girls in order to avoid misunderstandings and unpleasant situations. In my limited experience (4 "pleasure trips") most girls have a hard time understanding what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for mutual masturbation, lots of cuddling and all other possible ways to enjoy lovemaking without actual penetration..[/QUOTE]

Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.

In your post in the Hyderabad forum, you say you have been to Philippines. Here, you are saying, this is the first in Philippines. Which is which?

Anyway, there are loads of information concerning bars and girls in this forum. You just need to read and remember all the information before visiting the bars.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323] I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]Yash,

You a manager from India, me thinks based on your FR history that contain questions one of which is very similar to the one here.

The best way to find girls in AC is to come to AC and to RTFF as so much info here but as a manager you likely are not sure about the search function so PM me for more information on how to RTFF.

In the UAE forum where many managers (mainly from India) pollute the board there is a special thread dedicated to you and your mates so you would be famous also.

Try Walking Street and read the forum. Sheesh. James Bond would be appalled by your lack of intelligence gathering.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

[/QUOTE].

Go bar hopping. It's not rocket science.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]