Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=TellAll;1894675]Maybe a lot of the younger guys are sick of the dating game. Dinner, drinks and endless listening to the useless chatter coming out of their mouths. After all the time and expense, maybe you get lucky and get laid. Then afterwards you discover it wasn't worth all the time, money, effort and you could have payed to have a hotter babe fuck your brains out for less. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as free, there is always a price to pay.

I started mongering in my 50's. My only regret is I didn't start in my 20's.[/QUOTE]I'm in my mid-thirties and started mongering a couple years ago. On a weekly basis now I think about all of the time and money I could have saved, amazing destinations I could have traveled to, and fun times I could have had if only I had reeled in the expenses of trying to impress non-pros here at home. Luckily my moment of clarity came to me on my first visit to the Phil. I'm looking into visiting Medellin this Fall and could not be more content with my decisions over the past two years. In short, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say!

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1895035]Somehow I enjoy dating girls, ie. Walking in parks, dining at nice restaurants, regardless whether or not I have sex with them. Also, I enjoy easy sex in Colombia. But it does not substitute the fun I can have when I date girls I like. Perhaps the two things are totally different things without means-end relationship..[/QUOTE]I agree that the intimacy of dating can be its own reward. The problem I have is with exclusivity. I took a couple of girls I met in casas in Medellin on dates. Dinner, dancing, movies, etc. The impact as far as their appreciation for being treated like a regular lady was very evident, both in their emotions / words and their passion in the sack afterward.

Several times, the members, if not me, have had heated debates on that "ideological" issue, namely, 1) whether or not you should take pros to public restaurants / clubs, and 2) whether or not you should date pros. The debate was very emotional, contentious, and often ugly. So I keep the mouth shut, and you may want to do the same.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1895055]I agree that the intimacy of dating can be its own reward. The problem I have is with exclusivity. I took a couple of girls I met in casas in Medellin on dates. Dinner, dancing, movies, etc. The impact as far as their appreciation for being treated like a regular lady was very evident, both in their emotions / words and their passion in the sack afterward.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1894821]In RTFF posts from the last 2 years, the subject of learning, speaking & IMO, most importantly, understanding Spanish has come up from time to time. I consider myself a fairly good Spanish speaker after 13 semesters of university level Spanish [/QUOTE]Damn bro, what school did you go to? I have a BA in French and it only took 8 semesters (4 years - 18 French classes) to graduate. You must have a Masters in Spanish.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1894259]By that standard, anyone who goes to Medellin (or any other common mongering destination), who is over 30, for the purpose of paying women 18-19 for sex is just wrong.
[/QUOTE]If you go to an MP or call a known pro working girl, and choose an 18 year old, and you could be 80, who cares. But to approach non-pros on the street who are the same age (or younger) than your own kids, and proposition them with sex for money, is plain creepy. One day, he may find himself on the wrong side of an ass whooping if the wrong Colombiano sees this happening on the street. Whether or not age difference is more accepted in Latin America is irrelevant in this scenario because he's not asking them on a regular date. And FYI- I'm kind of familiar with the LA customs, my wife is originally from Central America, not that I need to validate myself.

If you don't understand the difference, then there's no reason to say anything more on this subject.

[QUOTE]Lo siento que mi amigo te hizo llorar! Yo no voy a hacerte llorar![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1894981]That would certainly be understood by any Spanish speaker. But, in that sentence, 'lo siento' expresses an emotion on the part of the speaker. That (plus a change in subject, so the infinitive cannot be used) is one of the triggers for the use of the subjunctive in the dependent clause, so it would be: 'Lo siento que mi amigo te [B]hiciera[/B] llorar!'

The way to master the subjunctive, which is rarely used in English but continually used in Spanish, is first to be able to recognize it when you hear it, from the change in the vowel of the conjugated verb: 'a' becomes 'e' and 'e' and 'i' become 'a'; unfortunately 'hacer' is irregular in the subjunctive so the pattern doesn't hold. Those verbs you just have to memorize. Then, once you can recognize it, every time you hear it, ask yourself why the speaker used the subjunctive.

The acronymn 'WEIRD-O' covers most of the triggers that, when occurring in the subject or independent clause, require the use of the subjunctive mood in the dependent clause (if there is a change in the subject; if no change in subject, the infinitive would be used).

W: Wishes.

E: Emotions (such as 'I'm sorry that')

I: Impersonal expressions: Es necesario que, es bueno que, es mal que, con tal que, etc.

R: Recommendations: Te aviso que, te mando que, te digo que, sugiero que, etc.

T: Doubt: Dudo que, no creo que, es posible que, es probable que, es difcil que, es raro que, etc.

O: orders, or the command or imperative tense. While not technically the subjunctive, the second-person formal or Ud. commands are formed the same way as the third-person subjunctive (el, ella).

Hope that helps![/QUOTE]This is great for anybody looking to learn perfect Spanish. I doubt anybody on this forum (apart from the hnadful who permanently live in LA) would / should waste time on it.

I'm gringo who learned Spanish from scratch and am almost fluent. I had to as my wife didn't speak any English when we met 11 years ago in Central America. I worked hard at it, and was very much "immersed" in it with my girl and that helped me learn, but I would not expect an occasional travaler to LA to learn to speak in the subjunctive. The original statement is correct and would be understood by 100% of Spanish speakers. I would suggest that occasional travelers work on learning how to speak in the present, both past tenses, and future only. This way you can effectively communicate with all Spanish speakers. Forget the subjunctive. Unless you want to earn a degree in Spanish, plan to live full time in a Spanish speaking country, or just want a gold star on a monger forum, it's a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895084]If you go to an MP or call a known pro working girl, and choose an 18 year old, and you could be 80, who cares. But to approach non-pros on the street who are the same age (or younger) than your own kids, and proposition them with sex for money, is plain creepy. One day, he may find himself on the wrong side of an ass whooping if the wrong Colombiano sees this happening on the street. Whether or not age difference is more accepted in Latin America is irrelevant in this scenario because he's not asking them on a regular date. And FYI- I'm kind of familiar with the LA customs, my wife is originally from Central America, not that I need to validate myself.

If you don't understand the difference, then there's no reason to say anything more on this subject.[/QUOTE]If your original post wasn't so specific about ages and it had focused on the risks, rather than it being "creepy", I might agree with you.

No matter the location, or the girl's pro status, it's still a guy over 30 trying to pick up a girl under 20 for sex. If it's creepy on a street corner with a non-pro, it's creepy 2 blocks over with a pro.

It looks like you're trying to justify what you do while condemning others for using a different method to get the same results.

Certainly his way has risks and who knows how many are pros or semi-pros. It works for him.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895096]This is great for anybody looking to learn perfect Spanish. I doubt anybody on this forum (apart from the hnadful who permanently live in LA) would / should waste time on it.

I'm gringo who learned Spanish from scratch and am almost fluent. I had to as my wife didn't speak any English when we met 11 years ago in Central America. I worked hard at it, and was very much "immersed" in it with my girl and that helped me learn, but I would not expect an occasional travaler to LA to learn to speak in the subjunctive. The original statement is correct and would be understood by 100% of Spanish speakers. I would suggest that occasional travelers work on learning how to speak in the present, both past tenses, and future only. This way you can effectively communicate with all Spanish speakers. Forget the subjunctive. Unless you want to earn a degree in Spanish, plan to live full time in a Spanish speaking country, or just want a gold star on a monger forum, it's a waste of time.[/QUOTE]The subjunctive mood is far more widely used than the future tense, especially the "true" future tense (as opposed to the 'ir a + infinitive' construction. The original statement isn't correct (the use of the subjunctive isn't optional), but would be understood, just as one would [I]usually[/I] be understood if the preterite and imperfect tenses are confused. And I would definitely say it's easier to learn the use of the subjunctive than to learn (completely) the difference between the imperfect and the preterite. But you're correct in that my post was not really aimed at an 'occasional traveler to LatAm,' but rather to those who want to improve their Spanish.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1895066]Several times, the members, if not me, have had heated debates on that "ideological" issue, namely, 1) whether or not you should take pros to public restaurants / clubs, and 2) whether or not you should date pros. The debate was very emotional, contentious, and often ugly. So I keep the mouth shut, and you may want to do the same..[/QUOTE]We're all adults and entitled to our own, differing opinions. I for one, when deciding whether or not to take a pro out, look at how she falls on my spectrum of, constantly looking for the next John and upselling on one end to, you almost have to beg her to take money on the other end. It's not fool proof but it works for me. I often will do so with girls that aren't too over the top with tits and ass silicone or makeup. Just nice girls to be around who are, if nothing else, good at selling the fantasy / dream. As long as I'm happy in the moment and follow our general compensation averages, I don't really care what others might like or dislike. We are all from different backgrounds which have shaped our interactions with women. For anyone alone on a mongering trip, sometimes ya just get sick of eating alone and need some company. Why not with a girl you know is going to fuck your brains out later? If you can give her that bit of normalcy to an otherwise fucked up (assumption) life of pitching woo, why not? Good for all parties. And, you can get great referrals through chica gossip!

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895084]If you go to an MP or call a known pro working girl, and choose an 18 year old, and you could be 80, who cares. But to approach non-pros on the street who are the same age (or younger) than your own kids, and proposition them with sex for money, is plain creepy. .[/QUOTE]I read an account of a older guy who picked up an attractive young lady in El Centro. She was from the countryside and barely surviving with her young daughter by cleaning the homes of Colombians. He treated her nice and then bought her a cell phone. She cried when he gave it to her. What is creepy to you, might be seen as a positive event for some barrio chica with nothing and no prospects.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1894981]That would certainly be understood by any Spanish speaker. But, in that sentence, 'lo siento' expresses an emotion on the part of the speaker. That (plus a change in subject, so the infinitive cannot be used) is one of the triggers for the use of the subjunctive in the dependent clause, so it would be: 'Lo siento que mi amigo te [B]hiciera[/B] llorar!'

The way to master the subjunctive, which is rarely used in English but continually used in Spanish, is first to be able to recognize it when you hear it, from the change in the vowel of the conjugated verb: 'a' becomes 'e' and 'e' and 'i' become 'a'; unfortunately 'hacer' is irregular in the subjunctive so the pattern doesn't hold. Those verbs you just have to memorize. Then, once you can recognize it, every time you hear it, ask yourself why the speaker used the subjunctive..[/QUOTE]You certainly have a command of the Spanish Language. I'm sure at some point in college I was taught this but have since forgotten. Thanks!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1895072]Damn bro, what school did you go to? I have a BA in French and it only took 8 semesters (4 years - 18 French classes) to graduate. You must have a Masters in Spanish.[/QUOTE]You are correct, I should have at least a minor in Spanish but I got cross threaded with the Dean of the Foreign Languages dept & he 'forgot to' do all the paperwork giving me my minor. I have a BS in Petroleum Engineering that took 5 years with a couple of summers mixed in, a Masters In Intl Mgmt (2 more years with 3 months total immersion in Guadalajara, Mex) & a DDS (5 more years) after that with stints in the oilfield between the degrees. I tell everyone I hated work more than I hated school so I just stayed in school. Like I tell my sons, why anyone would chose to go to work rather than go to school I have no idea & they have never seen Animal House!! Ha.

El Mechanico

Five years to get an engineering degree? That's nothing! From the time I took my first Spanish class to when I received my college degree was 43 years; from the time I took my first college Spanish class to receiving my degree was 25 years.

Has anyone purchased prescription pain medication without a prescription in any Medellin pharmacy? Also what are the Colombian names for drugs (brand name or generic) like Percocet, Oxycodone, Tramadol, etc?

Thanks.

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Why people think Poblado is safe but El Centro is not is beyond me.