Jakarta

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2989646]Went there and had an average experience. Plus new rules make it more expensive.

1) Now the 200 k tip is included in the bill directly. Which means for 1. 2 m category girls you pay 1. 4 m at counter. And for 1. 4 m category it is 1. 6 m just for the girl.

2) While they say tip more directly to the girl only if you want, it is difficult to say no because everytime after service girls will ask for tip. Personally for me it's 100-200 k extra.

3) For 1. 4 m category, you are mandated to book a suite. Which is another 270/300 k. So if you book 1. 4 category, you pay close to 1. 9 m at counter, which is higher than 1001 I think.

4) They also now push you for threesome which is annoying..[/QUOTE]How recent is this? I was there less than a month ago and this was not the case at all. Firstly, the 200 K compulsory tip has been in place for awhile now but I have never had girls demand more. I have sometimes given 300 or even 500 if I got special services like BBFS or MSOG but in general 200 K is okay. I have also never been forced into a suite. They may ask but you can always ask for normal room. Threesome has always been optional. Just say no. For me the prices were simply 1. 4 or 1. 6 all in. So if things have changed it has to have been in the last couple of weeks or so.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2989640]Thanks for the recommendation. I tend to avoid classic given the reports of BBFS / CIP on the forum.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, it's the same at Emporvium (and everywhere else in Jakarta?), though I guess the price possibly leads the girls at Emporvium to have "less mileage". On the other hand, there are much fewer girls at Emporivum also.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2989687]Just tell her what you want to do (sex without condom and photo in your case), and that you will give a tip. If she ask how much, you can negotiate a bit, but I suspect 200 k is good enough for BBFS with some photos, depending on the photos too I guess.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gabacho;2989472]Also about pictures do not offer 200 k for pictures as Werweq said. That is horrible advice. You can offer them extra money for pictures "uang ekstra" but don't go overboard with it. Something like 20 k or 30 k should be plenty. Often times I would take that staple out of the 35 k the mamasan gives you back for the change and give the girl the 30 k for taking a selfie and keep the 5 k for my exit payment.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the feedback. I will stick to 200 k max for BBFS CIP and photos next time. Photos are just a nice to have, not a must-have. I really just want no-face nude photos together and another photo of her pussy and creampie. (I have my fetishes, please don't judge). I'll try with other girls next time.

[QUOTE=PlantSmoke;2989595]How do you say in indo, "tip will be in cash".[/QUOTE]Luckily 'tip' is 'tip' in indonesian (there are other words but "tip" is widely understood).

Also 'cash' is 'cash' in Indonesian (again, there are other words but 'cash' is widely understood).

Thus: "nanti aku kasi tip dalam bentuk cash sayang' (I will give you a tip in the form of cash my dear).

Or, less elegantly: "aku kasi tip cash sayang".

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2989679]Although I've been most everywhere I've not been to Jakrta and am considering a trip. Obviously to those of us coming from other geographies the idea that $123 USD is expensive just doesn't compute! Jakarta is def one of the best values worldwide. Clearly.

For me, Emporium at $125 sounds wonderful. But what are the alternatives. I did all this research maybe a year ago and was a little confused on 1001 Colleseum and the pool area. Is that three different clubs or it's all part of one? Is that the best alternative to Emporium for high end fun? What's the scoop on CJs and Mailoboro in comparison.[/QUOTE]I rarely post anymore because posts like this piss me off so much and the information on this forum is so far from reality it is disturbing!

First: You arrive in a new country start asking people how much they make a month. In Indonesia it is $200-400 a month! If we compare that to the USA or Europe where $300-400 will get you a girl in countries where the average income is $3,000-$4,000 a month then we can clearly see that ANYTHING over $20-40 in Indonesia is EXPENSIVE. The Cheapest high end place in Jakarta is be Fashion spa at 830,000 = $50 to 1. 2 m which is $74 and in my opinion it is overpriced. Paradise is 400 k which is $24 and has some of the same girls so you are obviously being overcharged. The solution is stop paying for ALL overpriced crap including FOOD! Prices have almost doubled in Indonesia in just one year! The equation works for food, hotels, and rent as well. $20 for food or $90 for hotels in countries where the income is $3,000 -4,000 a month.

Means about 0. 5% of income per meal and 2. 5% for hotels so in Indonesia this means $1 for food and less than $10 a night for a hotel room. This is very true as you can easily find mrals for 10,000-20,000 rupiah and my 4 star hotel room in Ghaja Mada is only $16 a night.

I am visiting Ubud and Seminyak in May and would love to visit some spas where I can get action. Need to be discreet setups as I Am travelling with family and friends. Could someone recommend some places. Also would like to know typical rates for counter and for extras- would like B2 B, Blow job without condom and possibly FS.

Had posted on Bali forum, but realise it is not very active. Would appreciate some pointers.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2989872]I rarely post anymore because posts like this piss me off so much and the information on this forum is so far from reality it is disturbing!

First: You arrive in a new country start asking people how much they make a month. In Indonesia it is $200-400 a month! If we compare that to the USA or Europe where $300-400 will get you a girl in countries where the average income is $3,000-$4,000 a month then we can clearly see that ANYTHING over $20-40 in Indonesia is EXPENSIVE. The Cheapest high end place in Jakarta is be Fashion spa at 830,000 = $50 to 1. 2 m which is $74 and in my opinion it is overpriced. Paradise is 400 k which is $24 and has some of the same girls so you are obviously being overcharged. The solution is stop paying for ALL overpriced crap including FOOD! Prices have almost doubled in Indonesia in just one year! The equation works for food, hotels, and rent as well. $20 for food or $90 for hotels in countries where the income is $3,000 -4,000 a month.

Means about 0. 5% of income per meal and 2. 5% for hotels so in Indonesia this means $1 for food and less than $10 a night for a hotel room. This is very true as you can easily find mrals for 10,000-20,000 rupiah and my 4 star hotel room in Ghaja Mada is only $16 a night.[/QUOTE]Paradise never heard of it where is it?

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2990075]Paradise never heard of it where is it?[/QUOTE]Just search Paradise spa it is close to Sunter mall. The owner is the same Chinese / Indonesian guy as be Fashion's.

Met this cool guy named T on the street at abou 11:30 pm and we hung out around Mangga Besar til about 3 am just checking out the scene but travel wouldn't let me inside with my camera so I snagged a little cutie off the streets close by.

Looks: 6.

Attitude: 7.

DFK: 5.

BBFS: 6.

Damage: 100 to Mama, 200 to girl.

Pretty good. Not a bad value at $18.

Happy Mongering,

MM.

[QUOTE=NotConcerned;2989741]Thanks for all the feedback. I will stick to 200 k max for BBFS CIP and photos next time. Photos are just a nice to have, not a must-have. I really just want no-face nude photos together and another photo of her pussy and creampie. (I have my fetishes, please don't judge). I'll try with other girls next time.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya I had a girl to whom I promised 100 Baht extra for each good sexy pic (poor erased pics excluded!).This could amount to quite a lot but it motivated her no end.

[QUOTE=PlantSmoke;2989632] Supposedly there is a red light area here.

-. Obviously with PSK in the search box these "areas" are street hookers.[/QUOTE]That shall be helpful? Third hand infos based on hearsay? Worse then a weather forecast. Kkkk.

Go there. Check it out --and then report your experience here.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2989707]How recent is this? I was there less than a month ago and this was not the case at all. Firstly, the 200 K compulsory tip has been in place for awhile now but I have never had girls demand more. I have sometimes given 300 or even 500 if I got special services like BBFS or MSOG but in general 200 K is okay. I have also never been forced into a suite. They may ask but you can always ask for normal room. Threesome has always been optional. Just say no. For me the prices were simply 1. 4 or 1. 6 all in. So if things have changed it has to have been in the last couple of weeks or so.[/QUOTE]The 200 k tip was mandatory, but you used to write it down on the paper girl gave you or pay cash inside. Which essentially meant if the girl asked you then you could give the minimum 200 or more based on the service. With the new rule, 140+200 is without the paper. The girl after service will ask you for tip, if you write 200 on the paper you pay 140+200+200. So you have to say absolutely no tip to the girl and not write anything on the paper if you want to pay the mandatory 200 only. This from a perception perspective is hard because at the very least they become sad, or worse may pester you because the mandatory 200 k tip is not something you write in front of them. In a way it's more like 160 fixed. If you get what I mean.

Why so many mongers want to destroy this place and tipping for nothing? Locals don't tip or hardly like 50 k max.

Why people here talk about mandatory tip? There is no such thing.

Then some guys want to tip for naked pics.

Whats wrong with you people?

Nobody pays for naked pictures.

Its free all over internet.

If you want to take pics of the girl just ask her nicely and she will say yes most of the time.

No need to give the girls bad habits and tipping them for just being naked!

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2989872]I rarely post anymore because posts like this piss me off so much and the information on this forum is so far from reality it is disturbing!

Means about 0. 5% of income per meal and 2. 5% for hotels so in Indonesia this means $1 for food and less than $10 a night for a hotel room. This is very true as you can easily find mrals for 10,000-20,000 rupiah and my 4 star hotel room in Ghaja Mada is only $16 a night.[/QUOTE]Which 4 star hotel is $16 a night?

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2990159]The 200 k tip was mandatory, but you used to write it down on the paper girl gave you or pay cash inside. Which essentially meant if the girl asked you then you could give the minimum 200 or more based on the service. With the new rule, 140+200 is without the paper. The girl after service will ask you for tip, if you write 200 on the paper you pay 140+200+200. So you have to say absolutely no tip to the girl and not write anything on the paper if you want to pay the mandatory 200 only. This from a perception perspective is hard because at the very least they become sad, or worse may pester you because the mandatory 200 k tip is not something you write in front of them. In a way it's more like 160 fixed. If you get what I mean.[/QUOTE]This is news to me. Its more like a price hike than a tip in that case. A month or so ago, it was still 200 K on the slip they give you later (or more if you like). Whether its worth it or not is up to you I guess. Their business must be good to think this is a good idea. Anyway, I've mostly moved to other sources in Jakarta and hit Emporium just once or twice during my stays. So it doesn't move the needle for me that much.