Montreal

Thanks Mongerer88, I appreciate your help with all of my questions! I feel a lot better about this trip. Thanks again for the heads up on MAE88, it's too bad that an agency would resort to those games. It was the Asians that attracted me to MAE88, but it's not worth the risk. I'll just stick to the Quebecois girls from the other 3 agencies and leave the Asians for SE Asia.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1968366]ACPattaya,

Further to my post below, I took a quick glance at the MAE88 reviews on merb and they weren't very good. A lot of reports of heavy photoshopping and mediocre service. Toronto has always had a reputation of having much better Asian escorts than Montreal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ACPattaya;1968119]I'm going to Montreal for the first time and have a few newbie questions?

3. Foot Fetish: Most escorts in other parts of the world have no problem with me sucking on their toes. However, I've had a couple of bad experiences where the girl refused or wanted extra money. Is there an escort agency that specializes if foot fetish requests?[/QUOTE]I am absolutely astounded by your report of bad experiences with foot worship. I too like beautiful feet and with my thousands of experiences over more than 40 years I have not had one provider wanting to charge me more for that. My modus operandi is to make love to the entire body and just saunter down to the feet as if its no big deal. Perhaps if you tell them up front that you are into foot fetish they may seize an opportunity for an enhanced pay package.

[QUOTE=ACPattaya;1968119]I'm going to Montreal for the first time and have a few newbie questions?

1. Hotel: I'm staying at the Marriott Chateau Champlain. After I booked my stay, I read reports about the Marriott blocking escort sites and Merb when using their WiFi. Are they still doing this? Do they block escort agencies phone numbers too? Does this hotel require you to meet the girl in the lobby?
[/QUOTE]I just came back from Montreal. This is similar to an earlier question regarding the Intercontinental Hotel, and also whether the hotel elevators required key access.

Although the Intercontinental Hotel elevators do have provision for key card access, it certainly wasn't enabled when I was there for 3 days. I never needed a key card to get to my room (anywhere between 9 pm and 3 am). Never had anything blocked on wifi or any trouble with phoning agencies or escorts from the room. I've stayed in several other hotels previously in Montreal (including the Marriott) and never had an issue with any of this either, or with escorts getting to or leaving the room. Montreal is pretty laid back when it comes to sex and escorts so you should be okay. Only thing I would check is whether local phone calls are free or if they charge whether the number will show up on the phone bill. I just join the hotel loyalty clubs and usually just ask and confirm I get local calls free so there's nothing on the hotel bill. So long as the lady is reasonably dressed and discrete no one seems to care. Great city for hobbying.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1968687]I am absolutely astounded by your report of bad experiences with foot worship. I too like beautiful feet and with my thousands of experiences over more than 40 years I have not had one provider wanting to charge me more for that. My modus operandi is to make love to the entire body and just saunter down to the feet as if its no big deal. Perhaps if you tell them up front that you are into foot fetish they may seize an opportunity for an enhanced pay package.[/QUOTE]Those incidents happened at a Germany FKK. Outside that bad streak in Germany, I've never had an issue of up-charging. I don't ask upfront, I just suck on their toes during foreplay or while we're having sex. A few times I've had a girl pull her feet away when I attempt to play with them, but in those situations, I just go with the flow and stay away from her feet. Like I said most girls are cool with it, I just didn't know how the Canadian escorts would react. I'm glad to that they're usually open minded.

Great information, but once again folks, it is no big deal if the hotel requires elevator key cards.

You just go to the lobby five minutes before she is supposed to arrive (realizing she may probably be 10 minutes late), plop down in a chair, text her or her agency as to what you are wearing and whether you are reading a book, a newspaper, or your electronic device, and before you know it a pretty girl walks through the door and comes up to you and asks, are you "John"?

This ain't South America or Northern Africa. Hotel occupants are allowed to have unregistered guests in Canada and the USA The hotels don't give a shit what happens behind closed doors.

[QUOTE=Mainlander;1968881]I just came back from Montreal. This is similar to an earlier question regarding the Intercontinental Hotel, and also whether the hotel elevators required key access.

Although the Intercontinental Hotel elevators do have provision for key card access, it certainly wasn't enabled when I was there for 3 days. I never needed a key card to get to my room (anywhere between 9 pm and 3 am). Never had anything blocked on wifi or any trouble with phoning agencies or escorts from the room. I've stayed in several other hotels previously in Montreal (including the Marriott) and never had an issue with any of this either, or with escorts getting to or leaving the room. Montreal is pretty laid back when it comes to sex and escorts so you should be okay. Only thing I would check is whether local phone calls are free or if they charge whether the number will show up on the phone bill. I just join the hotel loyalty clubs and usually just ask and confirm I get local calls free so there's nothing on the hotel bill. So long as the lady is reasonably dressed and discrete no one seems to care. Great city for hobbying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ACPattaya;1968883]Those incidents happened at a Germany FKK. Outside that bad streak in Germany, I've never had an issue of up-charging. I don't ask upfront, I just suck on their toes during foreplay or while we're having sex. A few times I've had a girl pull her feet away when I attempt to play with them, but in those situations, I just go with the flow and stay away from her feet. Like I said most girls are cool with it, I just didn't know how the Canadian escorts would react. I'm glad to that they're usually open minded.[/QUOTE]I have had many sessions in German FKKs and was never upsold for FW, however, one German provider at Oase sought to charge me an extra 50 E for rimming her; went to management and they sided with her, LOL.

I have stayed in hotels with and without key card access. It is bit uncomfortable waiting in the lobby especially when the girls is late, so I prefer hotels without key access.

I have stayed in Marriott Chateau Champlain couple of years ago and they didn't have any restriction with elevators or WIFI. I think they do charge for local phone calls. I am not sure about the current situation.

ExcortsXO is another good agency to try but you have to be careful with selection. Out of the many girls I tried I like Christina, Meghan and Emma. All 3 are pretty and GFE.

So, after all my preparation for Montreal, I wound up with only a nuru massage. It was quite good, worth the money — but not worth all the drama I put myself through.

I tried booking with a few agencies, but ultimately decided not to. I had no idea about C36 until I got in the country. I know chances of getting caught are low, but I am reluctant to take even the slightest chance. I try not to break any laws as a matter of principle.

Admittedly, the pictures and stories are tempting. But I realized I had another problem with escorts. I really get turned on by face and personality. A lot of the ads show bodies, and the bodies can be accurate, but you may still not vibe with the girl. Escorts in Canada are a relative bargain compared with the states, but still it's a lot of money to take a chance with.

And even if she is described as pretty, and is certainly that way, she may not be pretty in the way you like or expect. For example, I may have a thing for brunettes, but I like them angular and Northern European, like Jennifer Garner, and I may not be as hot for a southern European but still beautiful brunette like Monica Belluci. Fault me for being picky if you'the like.

This is why I like the terms of Brazil and the FKKs of Germany. You can see the girls face, and even two minutes of time lets you get an impression of who they are, how bright they are, if they're doped out or having a bad day or if they look at you like a chore or a bug.

Does anyone else run into this hurdle? Or do you just get over it, or are averse to travel? I can see how escorts have their advantages, if you find one you like. You get a lot more time with the girl, and you can cultivate a regular relationship. The turnover in the FKKs and terms is brutal.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1970366]So, after all my preparation for Montreal, I wound up with only a nuru massage. It was quite good, worth the money but not worth all the drama I put myself through.

I tried booking with a few agencies, but ultimately decided not to. I had no idea about C36 until I got in the country. I know chances of getting caught are low, but I am reluctant to take even the slightest chance. I try not to break any laws as a matter of principle.

Admittedly, the pictures and stories are tempting. But I realized I had another problem with escorts. I really get turned on by face and personality. A lot of the ads show bodies, and the bodies can be accurate, but you may still not vibe with the girl. Escorts in Canada are a relative bargain compared with the states, but still it's a lot of money to take a chance with.

And even if she is described as pretty, and is certainly that way, she may not be pretty in the way you like or expect. For example, I may have a thing for brunettes, but I like them angular and Northern European, like Jennifer Garner, and I may not be as hot for a southern European but still beautiful brunette like Monica Belluci. Fault me for being picky if you'the like.

This is why I like the terms of Brazil and the FKKs of Germany. You can see the girls face, and even two minutes of time lets you get an impression of who they are, how bright they are, if they're doped out or having a bad day or if they look at you like a chore or a bug.

Does anyone else run into this hurdle? Or do you just get over it, or are averse to travel? I can see how escorts have their advantages, if you find one you like. You get a lot more time with the girl, and you can cultivate a regular relationship. The turnover in the FKKs and terms is brutal.[/QUOTE]1. The chance of getting "caught" under "C36" isn't low, it is nonexistent if you see a reviewed lady from an established agency. It is not illegal to book an escort, just illegal to directly solicit sex or pay for sex. When you see an escort, you purchase her time. If she chooses to fill that time with sex, good for her and good for the customer. If escorting were illegal per se, there would not be so many escort agencies.

2. For what it is worth, the local Montreal board has plenty of posts comparing the Montreal escort scene to FKKs. Most guys believe that highly reviewed Montreal escorts have the edge in terms of looks, mostly because there is more wealth in Canada for little things such as orthodontics, and most guys believe that Montreal escorts have a clear edge in terms of GFE, since they do not see as many customers a day and do not upsell the many desired services like BBBJTCIM like the FKK girls do. A great number if Montreal escorts include BBBJTCIM as part of the standard price.

3. ISG has a huge contingent of FKK enthusiasts who invade threads declaring the superiority of FKKs to all commercial sex transactions, conveniently ignoring the entrance fees, travel costs, and upsells. Usually those posts occur in the Europe section, but yours is the first one I have seen in the Canada forum. I didn't think it was one of those posts until I noticed you gave no review or contact information for the Nuru massage.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1970381] 3. ISG has a huge contingent of FKK enthusiasts who invade threads declaring the superiority of FKKs to all commercial sex transactions, conveniently ignoring the entrance fees, travel costs, and upsells. Usually those posts occur in the Europe section, but yours is the first one I have seen in the Canada forum. I didn't think it was one of those posts until I noticed you gave no review or contact information for the Nuru massage.[/QUOTE]No offense intended. Obviously, there must be something to the Montreal scene, just wondering what I was missing. I'm still really keen on face and personality. As someone else said (and I think is good point) -- FKKs are more for optifucks and less on service due to turnover and trying to find a FKK girl someone highly reviewed can be difficult without knowing their schedule.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1970381]1. The chance of getting "caught" under "C36" isn't low, it is nonexistent if you see a reviewed lady from an established agency. It is not illegal to book an escort, just illegal to directly solicit sex or pay for sex. When you see an escort, you purchase her time. If she chooses to fill that time with sex, good for her and good for the customer. If escorting were illegal per se, there would not be so many escort agencies.

2. For what it is worth, the local Montreal board has plenty of posts comparing the Montreal escort scene to FKKs. Most guys believe that highly reviewed Montreal escorts have the edge in terms of looks, mostly because there is more wealth in Canada for little things such as orthodontics, and most guys believe that Montreal escorts have a clear edge in terms of GFE, since they do not see as many customers a day and do not upsell the many desired services like BBBJTCIM like the FKK girls do. A great number if Montreal escorts include BBBJTCIM as part of the standard price.

3. ISG has a huge contingent of FKK enthusiasts who invade threads declaring the superiority of FKKs to all commercial sex transactions, conveniently ignoring the entrance fees, travel costs, and upsells. Usually those posts occur in the Europe section, but yours is the first one I have seen in the Canada forum. I didn't think it was one of those posts until I noticed you gave no review or contact information for the Nuru massage.[/QUOTE]A poster in the Toronto forum stated that Canada vs FKK is like apples vs oranges. However, recent posts made me lean towards Canada rather than FKK for my summer hobbying. Nevertheless, Jmioffe has made the very good point regarding seeing the SPs first before making a commitment which cannot be beat and reminded me why I don't foray much into the escort scene and has tilted me back towards FKK.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1970928]A poster in the Toronto forum stated that Canada vs FKK is like apples vs oranges. However, recent posts made me lean towards Canada rather than FKK for my summer hobbying. Nevertheless, Jmioffe has made the very good point regarding seeing the SPs first before making a commitment which cannot be beat and reminded me why I don't foray much into the escort scene and has tilted me back towards FKK.[/QUOTE]That is why reviews are so incredibly important, and of course a fault of the Canadian review board system is that providers participate so much that it discourages negative reviews. On the other hand, the knowledge that a review will likely be posted encourages good performance. A person has to learn the euphemisms. If a lot of reviews say Girl Next Door, she ain't pretty, MILF means she is old, and a real woman's body means she is fat.

Fewer Canadian providers haunt the big American review board (which unfortunately costs a monthly membership fee) but there are many unbiased reviews there. It is very easy for Montreal and Toronto to read the reviews on the American site as well as the many posts on merb and terb and make a list of twenty or so providers that are going to be good looking based on a solid consensus of reviewers and to know for sure what services are offered. Personally, I prefer that over the "hunt" but I realize that others don't.

Competition is high among the escort services in Canada, so a highly reviewed girl who is consistently well reviewed as pretty and as a GFE performer is going to be what you expect. I objected to the post I responded to because it gave the impression that Montreal is a dangerous place to hobby in terms of law enforcement, and it simply isn't. I love Europe and do plenty of posts reviewing the ladies I see there. But the poster seemed to be asking why doesn't everyone travel to Germany to avoid any hyper technical violation of an unenforced law and to see the face of a likely unreviewed girl instead of relying on the accurate reports of fellow johns. And I think doing that makes zero sense given the additional costs and inconvenience of traveling to Europe in comparison to Canada. Plenty of reasons to pick Europe, but the ones he mentioned did not sway me.

Ironically, one of the legislators who pushed "see-36" cited Germany's legalization and advertising as one of the reasons that Canada should have criminalization. He said it was a fight for the soul of Canada to avoid 4 story brothels like they have in Germany. We are all better off if you keep this out of the faces of people who object to it, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1970928]A poster in the Toronto forum stated that Canada vs FKK is like apples vs oranges. However, recent posts made me lean towards Canada rather than FKK for my summer hobbying. Nevertheless, Jmioffe has made the very good point regarding seeing the SPs first before making a commitment which cannot be beat and reminded me why I don't foray much into the escort scene and has tilted me back towards FKK.[/QUOTE]And further to my earlier post, this site ain't bad for reviews either. Look at all the great effort that Rain City and others put into doing honest reviews. He is not a guy who just does over the top reviews of everyone he sees. He does a realistic evaluation including the good and bad. I can build a better list of providers to see going through his reviews than I could doing the "hunt" at an FKK.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1970381]1. The chance of getting "caught" under "C36" isn't low, it is nonexistent if you see a reviewed lady from an established agency. It is not illegal to book an escort, just illegal to directly solicit sex or pay for sex. When you see an escort, you purchase her time. If she chooses to fill that time with sex, good for her and good for the customer. If escorting were illegal per se, there would not be so many escort agencies.

2. For what it is worth, the local Montreal board has plenty of posts comparing the Montreal escort scene to FKKs. Most guys believe that highly reviewed Montreal escorts have the edge in terms of looks, mostly because there is more wealth in Canada for little things such as orthodontics, and most guys believe that Montreal escorts have a clear edge in terms of GFE, since they do not see as many customers a day and do not upsell the many desired services like BBBJTCIM like the FKK girls do. A great number if Montreal escorts include BBBJTCIM as part of the standard price.

3. ISG has a huge contingent of FKK enthusiasts who invade threads declaring the superiority of FKKs to all commercial sex transactions, conveniently ignoring the entrance fees, travel costs, and upsells. Usually those posts occur in the Europe section, but yours is the first one I have seen in the Canada forum. I didn't think it was one of those posts until I noticed you gave no review or contact information for the Nuru massage.[/QUOTE]Germany isn't a poor country if you referring to that in second paragraph. I think the problem with FKK Club is there is too many women from Romania and Bulgaria, the poorest countries of the EU.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1970381]1. The chance of getting "caught" under "C36" isn't low, it is nonexistent if you see a reviewed lady from an established agency. It is not illegal to book an escort, just illegal to directly solicit sex or pay for sex. When you see an escort, you purchase her time. If she chooses to fill that time with sex, good for her and good for the customer. If escorting were illegal per se, there would not be so many escort agencies.[/QUOTE]What unnerved me was this anecdote from merb in their Euphoria thread. We all have our risk tolerances; mine may be unusually low.

The fact is the rule is on the books. Montreal cops may not adhere to it; they are known to be easygoing -- but that rule gives any authority leverage over me, if not to be formally charged, then to be blackmailed, and I don't want to risk that --

[begin quote]"LE doesn't give a crap anymore about escorts than Irish Whiskey served at a bar. ".

A buddy of mine once believed the same thing until he got busted one day. Good thing he had money or else his name would have wound up in the papers. LE was more interested in getting him to testify against the agency. He refused and was told he'd be charged and his name would be in the papers. LE had a record of all his phone conversations with the agency. So he hired a good lawyer and was told to make a secret 'donation' in order to get the charges dropped as part of a plea bargain. LE had also threatened some of the girls with the same thing and a few of them did wind up testifying for LE.

So basically what I'm saying is that although we rarely hear about it, it's quite possible that once in a while clients do get busted by LE. It'd be actually much easier to do today than in the past since the new law would make it more likely for charges to stick. And once in a while we still hear about incall places getting busted. And various special interest groups continue putting pressure on local government to clean up the sex trade. Is there a local election coming up soon?[/end]