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[QUOTE=Kozerog;2375544](click link above to see original post with photos)


The above, gentleman, is the useful information I was looking for. Photoslider is comparing real agency girls to a realistic photo of another real girl. Reality, not fantasy or trick photography. Final conclusion is that girls similar to or better than Riina's continue to be widely available in Kyiv for 2000 uah/hour or thereabouts. In other words, Kyiv is not "ruined", contrary to what the naysayers say.

[/QUOTE]Don't forget: 1 Year ago 2000 UAH were 70 Dollars. Now 2000 UAH are 85 Dollars. And you can be sure: Near to Christmas your 2000 UAH will be 100 Dollars. At the moment, speculators buy Ukrainian government bonds like crazy. That affects the course massively. At the same time, all other prices in hryvnia increased. Taxis, restaurants, nightclubs.

[QUOTE=ArisCasa;2375254]Loaded statement about Indians. Tunnel vision?? Which East Asian country are you from BTW?[/QUOTE]Do not be so defensive. It is just a fact. Ukrainians relate more to Europeans over Indians. They also know most EU countries are wealthy compared to UA. India has a lot of rich people, but overall it is a poor country. No girl wants to move from Kyiv to India, but many want to move to the EU.

Someone brought up Turkey and Ukrainians are very familiar with Turkey because it is a popular tourist destination. Pretty much every girl you will meet in Kyiv has been to Antalya or knows someone that has. People like what is familiar. Same goes for a Korean guy in Japan will probably have an easier time meeting Japanese girls than a guy from Peru.

Lot of energy I'd spent in this forum to prove / disprove the existence of easy sex in Ukraine.

The point is simple, how easy is it compared to other European countries?

I haven't traveled to Maldova yet, but I find Ukraine very easy to score in terms of game or escorts or with are the sonable price (within 2000 uah for 20 year old).

In Germany its complete different scenario, very easy to score but quite mechanical in my experience (with escorts).

Focus on your points guys. What is it you are trying to prove?

[QUOTE=TinyHippo;2375607]Do not be so defensive. It is just a fact. Ukrainians relate more to Europeans over Indians. They also know most EU countries are wealthy compared to UA. India has a lot of rich people, but overall it is a poor country. No girl wants to move from Kyiv to India, but many want to move to the EU.

Someone brought up Turkey and Ukrainians are very familiar with Turkey because it is a popular tourist destination. Pretty much every girl you will meet in Kyiv has been to Antalya or knows someone that has. People like what is familiar. Same goes for a Korean guy in Japan will probably have an easier time meeting Japanese girls than a guy from Peru.[/QUOTE]Turkey is so popular, because it is cheap and beautiful. One week all-inclusive for 150 $-200 $ is no problem. Even during the season. Turkish men are rather unpopular. That's why many Turks are keeping silent about their origins. They say they come from Italy or Greece.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2375798]Turkey is so popular, because it is cheap and beautiful. One week all-inclusive for 150 $-200 $ is no problem. Even during the season. Turkish men are rather unpopular. That's why many Turks are keeping silent about their origins. They say they come from Italy or Greece.[/QUOTE]Massage girls and few others told me, Turkish Guys are too Touchy Feely, which I guess is part of their Culture. The more educated and sophisticated Turkish guys must have up their sleeves better games and plans.

Still living and working in Kyiv but have had a number of regular girlfriends and have been out of touch with the pay to play scene for nearly two years. Became single again recently and have been searching for girls to sponsor and already have been chatting with a few prospects. Some of the girls I used to sponsor and once messaged me regularly have dropped out of the game and no longer are interested. One very nice piece of ass I was tagging in summer 2016 when she was in university has grown alarmingly obese. You could make twins out of her now.

I live in the center of Kyiv which is a plus. I find Tinder is not the best place to find girls as they are more expensive than other places. For example, I met a pretty blonde 18-year old student who was very attractive but wants 300 USD to meet. No thanks. You can get some damn good scotch for 300 USD. A lot of pretty co-eds offering erotic massages with happy endings but nothing more.

I'll post any results should I find someone I like. Now that the students are back, there will be more pussy available, I'm sure.

[QUOTE=Gopnik;2375948]Still living and working in Kyiv but have had a number of regular girlfriends and have been out of touch with the pay to play scene for nearly two years. Became single again recently and have been searching for girls to sponsor and already have been chatting with a few prospects. Some of the girls I used to sponsor and once messaged me regularly have dropped out of the game and no longer are interested. One very nice piece of ass I was tagging in summer 2016 when she was in university has grown alarmingly obese. You could make twins out of her now.

I live in the center of Kyiv which is a plus. I find Tinder is not the best place to find girls as they are more expensive than other places. For example, I met a pretty blonde 18-year old student who was very attractive but wants 300 USD to meet. No thanks. You can get some damn good scotch for 300 USD. A lot of pretty co-eds offering erotic massages with happy endings but nothing more.

I'll post any results should I find someone I like. Now that the students are back, there will be more pussy available, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]I am into students as well. Its becoming harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. My main options are SA / Tinder / Instagram / classifieds. Tried all this with varying luck. Which clubs do most of the students hang out? Is it better to meet them at the coffee shops and strike a conversation and eventually become a sponsor for them.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2375059]Riina's photos?

The body is good. But the face? The hair is badly colored. The eyes are thick. Without her grin, the face would look even more ordinary. I guess a 4 or 5. Not even close to a 7. But often girls look better in reality than in photos.[/QUOTE]Clearly your business in Ukraine is photography and not mongering. That girl was a beginner from a village with a very nice personality. She had far greater value than a hardened skank with all the makeup. Kozerog is the only one here that could see it.

Just so you guys know, a year later she was posting photos of herself on FB in $1000 a night hotels in Dubai. She stopped talking to me and I never saved any of her pictures. I did take a screenshot of her Whatsapp. Same girl as the cutie I posted in my apartment. I guess the ladies mentioned here from Mamba, Rio, and KEC must be 2's and 3's because she never needed any of that shit.

[QUOTE=Walky23;2376055]I am into students as well. Its becoming harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. My main options are SA / Tinder / Instagram / classifieds. Tried all this with varying luck. Which clubs do most of the students hang out? Is it better to meet them at the coffee shops and strike a conversation and eventually become a sponsor for them.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert on clubs as I've always thought there were a terrible place to meet girls, but others might disagree.

I use online methods but not exclusively. I do, on occasion, approach girls in my day-to-day experiences, For example, I met a pretty university student in Shuliavska who was handing out flyers and looking pretty miserable about it. I struck up a conversation with her and in a week started sponsoring her. The fact I live and work in Kyiv full-time was the turning point for her as I think she could justify it as a relationship or something.

I do go to Zhytomyr on occasion as a business partner I have there sometimes introduces me to university aged girls but most of them are below my standards. I usually just meet for dinner this lovely young lawyer with big tits who has been following me on Instagram for some time and is happy to fuck my brains out for a gift.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan6969;2375333]Thursday night it was raining lightly so I didn't have a chance to walk around (no umbrella). I decided to head out to Caribbean club. It was an older crowd of women and men again with the same hookers I seen last week walking around. One girl who was 7. 5 rating quoted me 200 dollars. I was hesitant and told her I would think about it. A tall girl (6 foot 2) walks in and was stunning (I would rate an 8). I wait till she gets to the bar to talk to her. She quotes me 300 us dollars an hour. I really didn't want to spend this kinda money all throughout my vacation here as it raises the prices for everyone else and it makes me go broke faster. I was hoping to score these 7's and 8's for 2000 gryvnia. The reality is for what's left of hot girls in Kiev that are pro will charge the foreigners 200 to 300 us dollars for 2-3 hours. I still believe you can get the under 6 rating girls for 100 us dollars or less. Well, back to my write up the tall girl made me so horny so I accepted. She got back to my place I had to pay 500 gryvnia to buy her out of Caribbean club for take out plus the 300 usd in gryvnia for her services. I think Caribbean club hires some girls to "work" here. The tall girl ended up being around 5 foot 11 without heels. She really knew how to work it and the money was well spent.[/QUOTE]Bang 6: I got a girl from mamba to come over. A petite blonde who is trying to support her son. She was probably a 6 to me. She agreed on 100 usd in gryvnia for a few hours. We had classic sex and she gave me a massage at the end. She could speak a little bit of English so we conversed in some English. She told me her story of leaving donetsk warzone to better her and her sons life in Kiev. She told me she is a waitress as her first job. Well, anyways she didn't seem pro to me and someone looking for extra cash.

Club update: I was able to get into skybar with a guided tour guide that got me in. It actually sucked, there were some hot girls in there, however; it seemed more guys than girls and the place was packed. Most girls were sitting at someones VIP table or in a secluded area of super super VIP status. It looked like all locals were in there and not a lot of tourists. I was wanting to find a gold digger to come back to my place but the vibe sucked. I left after an hour.

Date 2: the hottest girl I asked on a date agrees to go on date only to leave after 2 hours stating her friend (girl) wants to meet her. I was a little angry that I didn't get my bang from her which left me in a foul mood for mamba girl 2.

Mamba girl 2: got another girl to come over from mamba, she was supposed to meet me another night except she didn't answer her texts in time. This was her second chance, she told me she would meet me at a certain time, she texts me 2 hours later saying she is finally coming. I text her back she took too long and I won't meet her. She ended up taking a taxi and arrived at my place, I told her the answer is no. She sends me a video stating she choose me out of all the guys and I was special and she isn't prostitute. I'm like, your meeting me for money so yes you are. She said she has a bottle of alcohol and wants to come in I again tell her no. I would have let her in if I wasn't in a bad mood from the date that went bad.

Last night in Kiev and last update: it is my last night here and I don't think I'll try to get one night sex from the local clubs. I will probably go to Caribbean club or club Rio to get easy lay.

Recap:

*if your paying to play it seems club Rio, Scarlette, and Caribbean club are easy.

*mamba is harder as it takes a long time to get the girls to respond and lots of messaging back and forth to agree on time. The pros for mamba are the girls are cheaper than the clubs.

*seeking arrangement site all girls wanted 500 usd or 1000 usd, way too much and not worth it.

*walking around looking for girls for dates: your mileage might vary and the level of English they know will vary. You might find girl for girlfriend, semi pro college student, or just a girl who might want free one night sex. You will probably have to have good looks for free one night sex and sex appeal to them. Most local girls walking around are hotter than the average girl in the united states. I seen some hot girls with busted looking dudes. However, most hot girls were with a handsome guy. I liked the ratio of average hot girls than I see back in my hometown in the united states. You have to have conversational Russian there just is no other way. Not all girls speak English and it is great when they do know English. However; you have to at least game then in Russian first then ask if they speak English. This year I noticed more girls wearing tennis shoes instead of heels or dress shoes and dressing down compared to last year. I hate that western dress has come to Ukraine. I visit Ukraine to see feminine women, I predict eventually you will see more homely looking social justice looking women and feminism creep into eastern Europe.

Escort sites: I had no luck with these, all the girls sent were ugly and fatter which looked nothing like the pictures. The dispatcher who you are texting will try to send you pics of other girls. I just lost trust in them and said no. I didn't choose kec as I was paying the same money for girls at club Rio, Scarlette, and Caribbean club who I actually get to see if they are hot or not.

I had two days in Kiev in late September. My hotel was truly three doors down from Rio but I never got the chance because I had already become entranced by the supposedly (but who the hell knows what has been done to the pics?) lovely Liza, I believe the same one that PhotoSlider, et al, were discussing in July. She is on the escort. Vc website at $250/$350 for one / two hours. I went with the two hours because is you're in for the $250, why not double your fun for just a hundred more? Marketing people positively LOVE me.

It was certainly no mistake. Obviously chemistry varies but I found her utterly charming even before the clothes came off. Very good English and a great conversationalist, not just the usual shallow sort of BS I've become accustomed to. If the pictures are retouched, it was a very light job. One of the top ten in looks that I've ever been with. The view from behind was awesome. How awesome? Normally when the condom goes on the flag goes to half-staff and and next thing you know we are back to the OWO. Nope! She pretty much wore me out, and she was doing all the work! I felt it the next day: it's been forever since things lasted that long!

Definitely worth every penny. I am seriously considering a return visit, and I live halfway around the world!

During the last visit some of the Ukrainian ladies managed to put the condom on me with good confidence, some did it in a rather artistic manner, the best ones achieved the desired result without hands.

At the same time not all, but most of the civilian girls struggled. I am not the biggest, and I did bring good size protection, and at least 3 of them gave up in the process.

Maybe they avoided performing oral, except two out of those five did BBBJ, and one of them visibly enjoyed it, I literally had to pull her off, and give her the condom because in the past I ended up coming in her mouth twice, and I prefer the other receptacle.

Anyway she tried and then said: "I don't know how to do it!" So again, I had to.

Did any of you experienced something like that? Maybe it's as simple as avoiding sucking on pre-lubricated condom?

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2377006]During the last visit some of the Ukrainian ladies managed to put the condom on me with good confidence, some did it in a rather artistic manner, the best ones achieved the desired result without hands.

At the same time not all, but most of the civilian girls struggled. I am not the biggest, and I did bring good size protection, and at least 3 of them gave up in the process.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you met some noobs. Most girls rarely use condoms before escorting.

[QUOTE=Gopnik;2376434]I use online methods but not exclusively. I do, on occasion, approach girls in my day-to-day experiences, For example, I met a pretty university student in Shuliavska who was handing out flyers and looking pretty miserable about it. I struck up a conversation with her and in a week started sponsoring her. The fact I live and work in Kyiv full-time was the turning point for her as I think she could justify it as a relationship or something.[/QUOTE]I was in Miami beach staying at the W hotel with this Ukie cutie. I remember sitting at the bar and thinking this is a waste of my time and money. She doesn't want to be my friend. It's better just to fuck them and move on. I'll leave my friendships for relationships that are not financially based.

[QUOTE=Riina;2377288]I was in Miami beach staying at the W hotel with this Ukie cutie. I remember sitting at the bar and thinking this is a waste of my time and money. She doesn't want to be my friend. It's better just to fuck them and move on. I'll leave my friendships for relationships that are not financially based.[/QUOTE]This one looks good! I would agree with this sentiment unless you visit Kiev often then probably worth it if there's a good connection.