The great Marriott question
Great perspective, and yes we are almost in the same exact position. I am leaning towards booking Marriott Exec this time and saving my points for another trip.
Two last questions and I hope one day to reciprocate.
1. How strict are the exec apartments about girls smoking on the balcony? I know it's a nonsmoking hotel, just hard to imagine they enforce it if folks are careful and keep it outside.
2. I like to sauna after a night of drinking. Where would you recommend going if the hotel doesn't have one? I guess, being a Marriott member I could pay a fee at the W, or Renaissance and use theirs. Curious if you have a perspective on that.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3029262]I was in a similar position as you; I have stayed at the Rennaissance many times and like it there. I have also stayed at the JW which is a slightly more elegant higher-class hotel, but it's the location is way out the way, so one time was enough for me. So the Marriott W Hotel looks pretty good to me! Their King Deluxe room is larger than the King room at the Rennaissance, if memory serves, and for the dates of my 5-night reservation, the W was actually 10,000 Marriott pts less, and it is a spanking new hotel, so I decided to give it a try. It's no biggie for me if it turns out that I prefer the Rennaissance. I like trying out quality hotels in different city locations. It turned out that I preferred the Renaissance over the JW, but I still enjoyed my stay at the JW and I have no regrets having stayed there on points.[/QUOTE]
Sao Paulo. Part 2 (Part 1 in Rio)
First posts ever on this forum and first time in Brazil. Giving back since the the forum has been so useful. 2 part series. See Rio for Part 1. All prices in brl. I don't do BBFS.
Thursday Night:
We head to the famous Scandallo, and it lived up to all the hype. We were definitely stunned by the sheer volume of the place.
We enter in the ground floor and go up the elevator to the first floor to register at the desk. They have upped their cover to standard 600,400 of which is consumable for food or drink. It's easy to spend in my opinion. They give you a card that you swipe everywhere and then pay for at the end. Don't sleep on the restaurant right next to the front desk area. Had some awesome risotto there. They have a large main area, often with live music and then and outdoor area, all very luxurious and surrounded by stellar bar service. Lots of chicks everywhere.
We definitely gave newbie vibes being awestruck by the place. When we were eating in the restaurant, one of my friends got a quote of 500 usd / hour 1000 usd / overnight. HAHA. Another one got one from a cute girl next door redhead for 1500 brl for the night. Not bad! The quotes are all over the place so it takes some experience to figure it out. Security is very strict, my friend was taking pics of the food and my friend's facial reaction to the place and a huge guard comes over and makes him delete everything.
I don't bite on any chicks, I'm just enjoying acclimating to the environment, having already smashed unexpectedly in Rio in the morning. My friend snags a threesome with some twins, LOL.
Friday Day:
For over a month I had been chatting with a highly vetted one from Private55 I was excited about. We scheduled for today afternoon for 90 minutes. She says 1300 and I say wait, what- your rate is 400/ hour? She says that rate is old and then sends me her boilerplate that says 500/ hour, but even for a theoretical higher outcall rate, it didn't make sense to me. She said if it was too expensive then that's fine. I use the opportunity to cancel it. After my Rio experiences, I was no longer as excited for this one as I was pre-travel, so used my afternoon to walk around the city instead and enjoyed that.
Friday Night:
I recommend my friends go to investigate Casarao and that's what they did. I stayed back to catch up on sleep having gone out so many days in a row and not having the ability to sleep in like them. They had a good time, but reported that the rooms were gross as many have said here. I warned them in advance of that.
Saturday Morning:
Not having nutted in over a day now, I schedule 10 AM with Sharon Premium Spa, a provider called Moana. Stunningly hot but the experience ended up pissing me off. I'm waiting in the room for a while, she comes in and showers forever, we're already like 20 minutes in at this point. She's does this lame, not even a real massage just touching. Ok fine. Now for the BJ. And. She pulls out a condom. FUCK. I can hardly feel a thing with the shitty rubber she pulled out. I fuck her fast and nut fast. She is resistant to kiss which I also don't like. I always go in very hygienic all across the board and haven't had these issues so far. After that, I expect we can go again, but no she says if you want 30 more minutes you can extend, but the actual session only went like 40 minutes even though I'm supposed to get an hour. I message them telling them what happened and how disinterested the whole session was with shortchanging on time. They say sorry and offer a discount from the usual 700 to 600 for another provider, but I'm not interested in going back. Avoid Moana. My friend went to Palms the previous day and had a blast. I should have went there in hindsight, but the whole agreement was we would explore as many places as we could.
Saturday Night:
Decide to head over to Bomboa 222 around 11:30. It's a pleasant surprise, has an elegant American bar feel with some live music going. Cover is 400 if I remember correctly, all consumable. The manager is very friendly as he sees us as gringos willing to spend. He says if I see any girl I like, he can bring her over. It's a cozy layout and maybe 30 ish girls at a given time. There were definitely enough good looking girls in there to justify a visit. Yes, it's not Scandallo, but of the 3 boates, this is probably the best one to just sit and chill and enjoy a drink. My understanding is they also have decent rooms for smashing. I end up calling over a Tall Colombian looking chick, nice figure and pretty face. She asks 1200/ hour, I counter with 1000 and she says ok. A little later, I figure, it would be easier if she just came over and then I could smash her in the morning as well. We settle on 2000. Probably, I could have brought it down a bit more. I can't remember if there was a takeout fee, but there was a 20% surcharge for using credit card, which pissed me off, so 2400 in all.
We head out and the manager said we didn't finish our consumable allowance and gave us beers and Smirnoffs ice bottles to make up the difference. I thought that was a really nice touch. I find out she's a weed smoker, which annoyed me as I don't smoke, but I tried not to let it bother me too much. We head home and smash, she gives superb bbj oral. Great time. Then she gives me a really nice massage and it makes me fall asleep.
Sunday Morning:
Wake and smash again: It's pretty good GFE, she looks more busted than compared to the dim lit environment of the club and without her makeup. We go get some breakfast and she goes on her way. She keeps pushing me to repeat in the night before my departure, but I'm not interested. Even if I wanted to smash, I would go with new talent.
Sunday Night:
Just chilled and had some dope food. So many awesome restaurants in Sao Paulo. I could have gone to Casarao to round things out as it's the only one of the three boates discussed here open on Sunday, but didn't really care to, preferred to hang out and explore the city a bit and rest early for my departure Monday morning.
TLDR takeaways:
If you want a high likelihood of a positive experience, you have to vet somehow. Either in person on site or through forum reports / reviews. Otherwise, you are shooting in the dark, (which can be it's own thrill).
In Rio, The whole "terma" concept is gross with being in bathrobes with other dudes. Maybe it's different at the Europe FKKs (never been), but try to avoid the bathrobe thing. If you go to these places, just go there to get numbers from the few women who are any good, and then bail. The rooms are mediocre, and you don't save much if anything compared to just going to a love motel or using your own spot if you feel comfortable.
Sao Paulo has way more options, but ironically, I ended up having the best experiences hands down in Rio through gparena.
How I will handle this in the future:
Before going, I will scour gparena (Rio) or gpguia (Sao Paulo) to get a good idea of who is a good up and comer who is favorable or a veteran provider with a great track record. Then I will rank them by priority and try to schedule them for the afternoon. They often work regular work hours and not nights.
Going cold into a clinica or "spa" will remain as a last resort if other vetted options don't work out. Just too hit or miss, but I like that there are many of these options available with new ones popping up all the time, just be careful, as you are going onto someone else's turf.
For going out at night, I will prioritize Scandallo with Bomboa 222 and Casarao to round things out. My vetting process will be to have fun lighthearted discussion at the beginning and then bring conversation sexual quickly. I need to get some indication that she actually likes what she does and will bring good energy. While Scandallo is more expensive, there is no comparison on quality, but you have to go in there with a clear idea of what you're trying to do or you'll get fleeced.
For negotiating in person (you must do this or you will get fleeced). I would go down 30-50% from their opening ask and try to meet them around 25-40% down, because I noticed that when they notice you're a foreigner who doesn't speak Portuguese, they mark you up more. The local guys know amongst themselves how to keep them honest, so they get quoted closer to "fair" value. I will carry bills in various denominations in order to tip them in case they walk (assuming I called them over first). Don't be afraid to let them walk away, they will often come back. There is a misconception that negotiating will reduce the quality of the service. I don't think so. Them seeing that you have boundaries, aren't a pushover, and know what you're doing will increase their respect for you. Think of it in terms of how likely they are to score another client that night.
Scandallo is awesome but you need to try FKK too
[QUOTE=JacobMann;3029574]In Rio, The whole "terma" concept is gross with being in bathrobes with other dudes. Maybe it's different at the Europe FKKs (never been), but try to avoid the bathrobe thing. If you go to these places, just go there to get numbers from the few women who are any good, and then bail. The rooms are mediocre, and you don't save much if anything compared to just going to a love motel or using your own spot if you feel comfortable..[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report. Good takeaways and good retrospective. I've only been to São Paulo, and I feel like I've dodged a bullet called Rio, you confirm that it's not good. I'd recommend forget Rio bathrobe experience and you need to go to FKK Sharks, it's a cleaner place and I love the laid back bathrobe spa sauna vibe.
Scandallo is the GOAT. No Bomboa 222 for me since entry pricing are same as Scandallo. I've been to Casarao, but it's too ghetto for me. I want to try those high end spa like the palms next visit.