Montreal

To put everyone's mind at rest, that blurb in the Euphoria thread was an undocumented statement as part of a general law discussion, it occurred in the Euphoria thread but was not directed at Euphoria. There was a bust of a low-priced Asian incall agency as a result of complaints from neighbors after see-36 was enacted, and I believe the statement related to that event. They did not charge anyone under see-36 (all charges were made under the older statute) but they did hassle some folks. The Montreal and Toronto police did a statement reaffirming their priorities in this area and it includes [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and underaged providers. In Toronto, it was reported that agency owners had an actual meeting with the police. The police indicated that they did not want to lose the agencies as a resource in identifying runaways and missing persons.

From a safety perspective, an incall location with multiple girls there at one time is high-risk. It looks like trafficking, particularly when the prices are low and half-hour sessions are available. Neighbors notice that shit and if some of the girls are Asian "illegals" they will say they were trafficked to avoid deportation. Bottom line is that you are safer when you pay more, safer when you do outcall instead of incall, and safer when you choose an upscale agency that has discreet condos used by a lady at a time for longer sessions if incall is a must. It is a lot easier for the police to do surveillance at an incall place. You are also safer choosing an agency or independent that has been around a while and is well reviewed instead of some inexpensive ad on Backpage or Annonce123.

And Batix I know that Germany is not a poor country, but the FKKs thrive on the nearby countries that are poor. They are filled with Romanians, Bulgarians, Hangarians, etc. Who travel there to work. Time is simply not as valuable to those girls as if us to Canadians due to the fewer job and formal education opportunities available in their homelands. Most every Canadian escort I have ever met had some combination of going to school, working another job, and / or raising a baby. The FKK system would certainly not work for them. They are time-pressed and can't spend the whole day prancing around naked trying to get a guy to choose them. And the good neighbors who should be oblivious to that chick going to a downtown hotel for an outcall session would have a shit hemmorage if she and her friends turned that house into a fun-filled all day brothel where the girls were naked all the time.

Commercial sex is safe in Canada if you do it right. Truly safest option is outcall to a nice hotel from a well-reviewed lady who is either an independent of from an established agency. If you play in dirt, there is the chance of getting dirty.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1971249]What unnerved me was this anecdote from merb in their Euphoria thread. We all have our risk tolerances; mine may be unusually low.

The fact is the rule is on the books. Montreal cops may not adhere to it; they are known to be easygoing -- but that rule gives any authority leverage over me, if not to be formally charged, then to be blackmailed, and I don't want to risk that --

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"LE doesn't give a crap anymore about escorts than Irish Whiskey served at a bar. ".

A buddy of mine once believed the same thing until he got busted one day. Good thing he had money or else his name would have wound up in the papers. LE was more interested in getting him to testify against the agency. He refused and was told he'd be charged and his name would be in the papers. LE had a record of all his phone conversations with the agency. So he hired a good lawyer and was told to make a secret 'donation' in order to get the charges dropped as part of a plea bargain. LE had also threatened some of the girls with the same thing and a few of them did wind up testifying for LE.

So basically what I'm saying is that although we rarely hear about it, it's quite possible that once in a while clients do get busted by LE. It'd be actually much easier to do today than in the past since the new law would make it more likely for charges to stick. And once in a while we still hear about incall places getting busted. And various special interest groups continue putting pressure on local government to clean up the sex trade. Is there a local election coming up soon?

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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1971276]Bottom line is that you are safer when you pay more, safer when you do outcall instead of incall, and safer when you choose an upscale agency that has discreet condos . Commercial sex is safe in Canada if you do it right. Truly safest option is outcall to a nice hotel from a well-reviewed lady who is either an independent of from an established agency. If you play in dirt, there is the chance of getting dirty.[/QUOTE]

Outcall is always the way to go

My top choices for agencies are Euphoria, Vogue, XXXTase

And there are a couple nice indies available as well. Look on MERB.

Do your homework. Always have a backup plan, as well.

Best Regards.

Smuler.

I am planning a visit week before Christmas on 19th. Seems like it will be very cold as well.

Does anyone know if agency lineups are reasonable in this timeframe or it's not worth visiting right now.

Based on merb advertising, I have never noticed a significant decline in roster numbers or quality around Christmas. There is a girl or two certainly from the Quebec villages who goes to visit family that week, but it is not a noticeable drove like what you read about in other countries where most of the city's providers come from distant rural areas.

[QUOTE=Lucknow;1971353]I am planning a visit week before Christmas on 19th. Seems like it will be very cold as well.

Does anyone know if agency lineups are reasonable in this timeframe or it's not worth visiting right now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1971276] If you play in dirt, there is the chance of getting dirty.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Thanks for taking the time to write that response. It had a lot more details than the merb thread -- or I may have overlooked them. You've almost convinced me to proceed on my next trip! We'll see if I do.

Hi,

I live in Montreal, speaks English and French and I like to go around the fauna. I would be happy to wing a guy or two around. I do not do it for the money, for the fun to party around. I have no job for a month, so I am quite free. I am in the forties, so Young bucks I am not your crowd (I could not follow). About my friend, I would be please to introduce you to her (I am not involved in her business otherwise than references).

Take care,

Envirosex

I may be coming to Montreal next month. Are you located there or are you looking travel. I am in my 40's too.

[QUOTE=Envirosex;1972089]Hi,

I live in Montreal, speaks English and French and I like to go around the fauna. I would be happy to wing a guy or two around. I do not do it for the money, for the fun to party around. I have no job for a month, so I am quite free. I am in the forties, so Young bucks I am not your crowd (I could not follow). About my friend, I would be please to introduce you to her (I am not involved in her business otherwise than references).

Take care,

Envirosex[/QUOTE]

Most of this thread is devoted to escorts; sounds like a good scene! Any recommendations on strip clubs, especially those that are in or south of Montreal? Do they offer anything beyond eye candy?

My only visit to a Montreal area strip club was the Hilltop several years ago. Not much of a stage show but certainly a good time.

[QUOTE=Electronman;1978531]Most of this thread is devoted to escorts; sounds like a good scene! Any recommendations on strip clubs, especially those that are in or south of Montreal? Do they offer anything beyond eye candy?

My only visit to a Montreal area strip club was the Hilltop several years ago. Not much of a stage show but certainly a good time.[/QUOTE]On my recent trip, I stopped in Chez Paree. I think cover was something like $3 C. I had a few enjoyable dances. This was more than eye candy, but no orgasm. The pretty co-ed crawled on me, let me run my hands over her bod at $15 C a song.

[QUOTE=ACPattaya;1968883]Those incidents happened at a Germany FKK. Outside that bad streak in Germany, I've never had an issue of up-charging. I don't ask upfront, I just suck on their toes during foreplay or while we're having sex. A few times I've had a girl pull her feet away when I attempt to play with them, but in those situations, I just go with the flow and stay away from her feet. Like I said most girls are cool with it, I just didn't know how the Canadian escorts would react. I'm glad to that they're usually open minded.[/QUOTE]You should be up front as each woman is different even in Montreal. Some don't do anal. I wouldn't imagine you would just fuck her in the ass without asking if she offered anal to begin with. Important thing is to establish boundaries up front.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1970366]So, after all my preparation for Montreal, I wound up with only a nuru massage. It was quite good, worth the money but not worth all the drama I put myself through.

I tried booking with a few agencies, but ultimately decided not to. I had no idea about C36 until I got in the country. I know chances of getting caught are low, but I am reluctant to take even the slightest chance. I try not to break any laws as a matter of principle.

Admittedly, the pictures and stories are tempting. But I realized I had another problem with escorts. I really get turned on by face and personality. A lot of the ads show bodies, and the bodies can be accurate, but you may still not vibe with the girl. Escorts in Canada are a relative bargain compared with the states, but still it's a lot of money to take a chance with.

And even if she is described as pretty, and is certainly that way, she may not be pretty in the way you like or expect. For example, I may have a thing for brunettes, but I like them angular and Northern European, like Jennifer Garner, and I may not be as hot for a southern European but still beautiful brunette like Monica Belluci. Fault me for being picky if you'the like.

This is why I like the terms of Brazil and the FKKs of Germany. You can see the girls face, and even two minutes of time lets you get an impression of who they are, how bright they are, if they're doped out or having a bad day or if they look at you like a chore or a bug.

Does anyone else run into this hurdle? Or do you just get over it, or are averse to travel? I can see how escorts have their advantages, if you find one you like. You get a lot more time with the girl, and you can cultivate a regular relationship. The turnover in the FKKs and terms is brutal.[/QUOTE]Interesting you mentioned it is a bargain when compared with the States. It implies you hobby in the US. The same applies in Canada in terms of minimizing risk. Stick will well reviewed indy / agencies. Go with outcall. Unlike the US, you generally pay after the session. No need to show cash/envelope up front. I suggest you don't even bring an envelope because in the unlikely even you are caught, the envelope will cause more harm than good. This is an important key point to remember. And if it came to that, keep your mouth shut if LE comes crashing down. Vast majority of my encounters in Montreal are outcalls.

As for optifuck, yes you get to see them first in FKK but if you are into Western European / French looking girls, Montreal working girls, ON AVERAGE, are facially hotter, then any you can get at FKKs. The hot German girls you see on the street, well, majority don't work in FKKs. But in Montreal, it seems the hottest girls around are working girls. I split my time between Montreal and FKKs.

Some agencies offer 30 minute sessions. And if it really came to that, you can always just leave a tip and walk out of the session in the first couple of minutes. Of course I don't recommend doing this often especially if you are new to the agency.

There's an inherent risk in this hobby whether it's from getting caught by LE or significant other, STI / STD, or walking into a room to find an unattractive SP etc. The first two risk you can minimize but if it happens, it's already to late for you to do anything about it. But as for the last risk, you can always leave a small tip, limit your losses and end the session before it begins.

An update on my foot fetish experience in Montreal: The trip went well, I banged 7 girls in total from: MTLGFE, XXXception, XXXtase, & Gentleman's Choice. Overall, the girls were cool with me playing with their feet. One girl gave me an awesome foot-job, two of the girls let me cum on their feet, and 5 of the 7 girls let me suck on there toes during sex. The 2 girls who didn't, was my choice. One had ugly feet and the other kept her socks on the entire time. I enjoyed my time with all of the girls and the sex was great! Despite being very expensive, I'll monger again in Montreal.

[QUOTE=Electronman;1978531]Most of this thread is devoted to escorts; sounds like a good scene! Any recommendations on strip clubs, especially those that are in or south of Montreal? Do they offer anything beyond eye candy?

My only visit to a Montreal area strip club was the Hilltop several years ago. Not much of a stage show but certainly a good time.[/QUOTE]There are two kinds of clubs south of Montreal:

- Full contact lap-dance clubs; mileage here really depends on the girl. Some allow just touching, some might allow DATY. Most offer something in between somewhere. Clubs to consider are Chez Doric, LE Vegas and Rendez-Vous 10-35. The first two are a 15-20 minute drive from downtown; the third is about 30 minutes of mostly highway.

- A little further away is LE Gentleman in Marievile, 35-40 minutes from downtown, mostly highway. This club is full service.

I've tried the escort scene a dozen and half time and the FKK clubs for over a decade. After reading your report, I feel like to echo your sentiment as I've traveled to Montreal several times in the past few months.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1970366]...But I realized I had another problem with escorts. I really get turned on by face and personality. A lot of the ads show bodies, and the bodies can be accurate, but you may still not vibe with the girl.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I have the similar problem with escorts. Not being able to see the face and to interact with the lady is a major drawback. I too get turned on by face and little bit of personality before I pay attention to the body. She could have given the best BBBJ and most passionate DFK. If her face doesn't turn me on, even the best BBBJ won't do it for me. I probably wouldn't have a hard-on if she doesn't fit my type of look. I can not possibly see myself DFK'ing her if I don't find her face attractive even if she offers DFK. I guess the visual thing is very important to me.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1970366]And even if she is described as pretty, and is certainly that way, she may not be pretty in the way you like or expect. For example, I may have a thing for brunettes, but I like them angular and Northern European, like Jennifer Garner, and I may not be as hot for a southern European but still beautiful brunette like Monica Belluci. Fault me for being picky if you'the like.[/QUOTE]Right on! Just because 80% of the forum posters say she's hot and pretty doesn't mean she is hot and pretty to YOU. Look is a very subjective thing. I'm sure we all heard "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". More than 50% of the time, the escort showed up at my door is not the one I would have picked had I seen her in person beforehand. If you're going to pay for it, why not pay for the one who can fulfill your fantasies. You have every right to be picky.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1970366]This is why I like the terms of Brazil and the FKKs of Germany. You can see the girls face, and even two minutes of time lets you get an impression of who they are, how bright they are, if they're doped out or having a bad day or if they look at you like a chore or a bug.[/QUOTE]That's precisely why I like FKKs as well. (Can not comment on Brazil because never been there.) It's pretty much 'what you see is what you get' kind of deal. I'm very picky myself. In a small FKK club with around 20 girls, it's very usual for me NOT to find any of them doable. In clubs with around 40 girls, I probably find 2 or 3. In clubs with 80+ girls, I may find 3 to 4 that I like. It's getting harder to find the ones with the looks that excite you as you monger more and more.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1970366]Does anyone else run into this hurdle? Or do you just get over it, or are averse to travel? I can see how escorts have their advantages, if you find one you like. You get a lot more time with the girl, and you can cultivate a regular relationship.[/QUOTE]For a purely mongering trip that lasts from 4 days or more, I would definitely travel to FKK land if you have the mean to do it. However, if you happen to be in Montreal for business or can drive over there for a weekend visit, Montreal is still a good place for mongering. An alternative way to get an escort is to go to strip clubs where you can see the strippers' faces and get a feel of their personalities by chatting with them. After few lap dances, you may be able to find the one you click with and ask her to go to your hotel room if she's open to that. Obviously, it's more expensive, and not every stripper is willing to see you privately. I've done that once and was able to spend time with her privately every few weeks for a period of few months.

[QUOTE=ACPattaya;1978811]An update on my foot fetish experience in Montreal: The trip went well, I banged 7 girls in total from: MTLGFE, XXXception, XXXtase, & Gentleman's Choice. Overall, the girls were cool with me playing with their feet. One girl gave me an awesome foot-job, two of the girls let me cum on their feet, and 5 of the 7 girls let me suck on there toes during sex. The 2 girls who didn't, was my choice. One had ugly feet and the other kept her socks on the entire time. I enjoyed my time with all of the girls and the sex was great! Despite being very expensive, I'll monger again in Montreal.[/QUOTE]When you have time, can you give us a bit more regarding who you saw from the agencies and especially which one did the awesome foot job? Even guys not into foot jobs will likely realize that good service in one area likely translates into good service elsewhere.

Also, we would be interested in whether you found the Montreal escorts pretty and friendly, lest our new FKK friend in the post below scares off the Montreal newbies.

When I read FKK-friendly posts, I think of the process of buying a TV. It is well-known that big box retailers use good overhead lighting to enhance all of their TVs, turn the sharpness and brightness up for the TVs they are promoting while turning the settings down on the TVs right beside the ones they are promoting, and train their salespeople on selling techniques.

Me, I read a bunch of reviews on Amazon or a similar site, including some external consumer reviews on completely independent sites, and pay most attention to reviews that appear to be the most honest and trustworthy. Then I have the TV I pick shipped to my place. I wouldn't trust what I saw at the physical store anyway, since they have so many tricks up their sleeve.

I am sure the guy who spends time at the store is more pleased with his purchase than he would have been shopping on Amazon, even if he picked the exact same TV. That TV looked better than all the other TVs at the store, so it has to be a great TV. Same principle in my opinion on FKKs versus well-reviewed escorts. Some guys like one process (physical shopping), some like another (tech shopping). I doubt if someone watching a sex tape of each encounter could tell the difference in the final product and service, and if you factor in the time and admission fees, they probably cost the same, too.

ISG seems to attract more physical shoppers and escort services don't get the same attention. I doubt that Amazon will ever buy banner advertising on ISG since I bet most of the FKK fans like physical shopping for everything.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1979132]I doubt that Amazon will ever buy banner advertising on ISG since I bet most of the FKK fans like physical shopping for everything.[/QUOTE]


Yes, no doubt that's the reason.