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For a multiple itinerary ticket Tana-Toamasina; Toamasina-Sambava; Sambava-Tana Euro 905!! I would very much like to include Diego in my upcoming trip, but such fares seem prohibitive. Are fares (much) cheaper at the office (s)?

[/QUOTE]It's not cheaper at all. Just loosing time to queue up. The main problem is that they cancel sometimes flights some minutes before departure. Then you have the adventure to take taxi brousse in the raining season! The only cheap is pussy in Madagaskar -the rest is mostly over priced, if you compare the quality.

[QUOTE=Doc16;1948209]Thanks, Amadeuss. However, I have seen exorbitant AirMad fares on internet. E. g. For a multiple itinerary ticket Tana-Toamasina; Toamasina-Sambava; Sambava-Tana Euro 905!! I would very much like to include Diego in my upcoming trip, but such fares seem prohibitive. Are fares (much) cheaper at the office (s)? However much I applaud your correct remark that "the difficult travel situation keeps the masses away", it would rather sadden me to see me forced into those 'masses'.

Right now I have some specific questions related to Sambava. Here I go:

I am planning a trip to Mada this month. Last June I visited (mainly) Tamatave, where I had mixed experiences. Even so I might want to include Tamatave again in this upcoming trip. However, my current question regards SAMBAVA (and Antalaha, since it is rather close).

I seem to remember some mixed reports on Sambava. What is it like, really? Are there any pick-up bars? Is street mongering available and not too complicated? I didn't read much about it..[/QUOTE]No offense Doc, but you've been to Mada and you still have to ask wussy questions like that? There are girls, there is poverty, you have money, that's the equation. About Sambava: its been said, though evidently must be repeated -- The place is laid back. All the way back. There is nothing to do, and that is not an exaggeration. Unless you want to chill completely, take it really slow, the charms will be lost on you. About girls: of course, there are girls there, like everywhere, but if you are point and click, this is not the place for you. Increasingly, Sambava's finest have been hitting the road for Diego. Note: there is one small bar / disco across from Hotel Melrose Friday / samedi only.

Tickets purchased in the offices are cheaper then on internet. However not much, between 10 to 20%. Its still the most exepnsive part of Mada travelling.

Sambava and Anthala are quiet towns, no real discos, no bars, no streetwalker scene. Tonga Soa, in some cases also Badoo and roaming the roads and strolling along the beach at daytime are the tools to catch the birds. A few gentle words do convince most girls there that you are the Vahaza they are dreaming of since long. Parting fees of 20 or 30 k in the morning do make them smiling and more likely to cling on you then leaving.

The girl in the pic was passing by from her way back from church. She was happy to follow y invite to use my shower to freshen up on a hot day :)

Toamasina is a more happening town, as you did experience already.

Diego Suarez is for a monger who prefers disco pick-ups a better place then Anthala-Sambava. If you go there, consider Sakaklava Bay as a perfect spot with white beach for kite surfing and getting away with your top-girl for a couple of days. Just don't travel to DS once a battleship docks in the harbour: then 1000 horny sailors are flushing the roads.

With a budget of max 400 EU you could take a taxi brousse VIP seat to DS, then fly to Sambava and back to Tana.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;1948477]The girl in the pic was passing by from her way back from church. She was happy to follow y invite to use my shower to freshen up on a hot day :).[/QUOTE]Nice view in your picture from balcony of Orchidea II. At the beach there, to direction of Villa Scheridane there are usually a couple girls hanging out to catch a stray vazaha. At moment of nightfall, some street walking appear on main road.

Best though if you go north of town a few kilometers to the roundabout local bars to find the freshest ones. They'll be malagache speaking only. The weekend disco does not start until midnight. Our favorite hotel in Sambava is the Melrose.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;1948477]Sambava and Anthala are quiet towns, no real discos, no bars, no streetwalker scene. Tonga Soa, in some cases also Badoo and roaming the roads and strolling along the beach at daytime are the tools to catch the birds. A few gentle words do convince most girls there that you are the Vahaza they are dreaming of since long. Parting fees of 20 or 30 k in the morning do make them smiling and more likely to cling on you then leaving. .[/QUOTE]Thanks Amadeuss. Yet I am left with doubts and questions. So Sambava and Antalaha are to be avoided for mongering? Dead places? What to make then of the multitude of Tonga ads, especially from Sambava? Are these girls (or most of them) not available to be fucked? And is it, or is it not, easy to pick up girls at the streets there, approaching them with a smile on your face etc?

The problem is that I find quite a few conflicting reports at this forum. Thus, for example, I also read at this forum that the problem in Antalaha is not how to find girls, but rather how to avoid them, given their ready and ubiquitous availability. Just gets me confused. So let's try to get the information clear and objective. With all due appreciation. It would help!

[QUOTE=Doc16;1948830]. Just gets me confused. [/QUOTE]I am confused too as trying to figure out if you are an old troll under new name or a new one.

[QUOTE=Doc16;1948830]Thanks Amadeuss. Yet I am left with doubts and questions. So Sambava and Antalaha are to be avoided for mongering? Dead places? What to make then of the multitude of Tonga ads, especially from Sambava? Are these girls (or most of them) not available to be fucked? And is it, or is it not, easy to pick up girls at the streets there, approaching them with a smile on your face etc?
![/QUOTE]I didn't say its dead, in contrary: its very alive. BUT not for the Pattaya crowd, walking into a bar to point and take out. Those establishments are not existing there. The discos as DO was explaining are buzzing on Friday, Saturday and not all of the girls are on the take there but with their BF's or other friends and too shy to follow you on the spot.

Find a couple of contacts fromTongaSoa and in between meeting them just stroll the neigbourhood. Yes, is a hit and miss situation.

There is a lot of talk here about the virtues of Mada vis-a-vis Pattaya, but nothing discussing how the girls measure up in bed.

For me, Thai girls are great because they do it all, oral, anal and some other kinky stuff.

So what about the girls in Mada? Are they game for things like anal, or do you have to really go looking to find these services?

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1952212]For me, Thai girls are great because they do it all, oral, anal and some other kinky stuff.
So what about the girls in Mada? Are they game for things like anal[/QUOTE]Definitely the wrong place for this. Obviously exceptions aren't impossible, but if this type of activity is focus of your sex tourism, you'll likely be disappointed. Although with desperate poverty in Africa, you could take advantage of someone hungry on the streets somewhere to oblige you if you persist and don't mind abusing them.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1952212]So what about the girls in Mada? [/QUOTE]Stay in Pattaya or you may be accused with sex tourism under Mada law.

Now sure how fast is the Internet in Mada prison deep in the jungle.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1952238]Definitely the wrong place for this. Obviously exceptions aren't impossible, but if this type of activity is focus of your sex tourism, you'll likely be disappointed. Although with desperate poverty in Africa, you could take advantage of someone hungry on the streets somewhere to oblige you if you persist and don't mind abusing them.[/QUOTE]Fully agree! Mada is not for the typical Pattaya or Angeles crowd.

You don't find bars to buy out a girl, you don't have pimping barowners or mamasans, you don't do an interview what's on the menue over a couple of ladydrinks.

Hi guys,

I'll write some personal impressions about my Mada experience. As I see, every time someone expresses an opinion there are a lot looking to start a fight or contradicting and so on.

So I start my reviews mentioning that all I write are absolutely subjective and personal. So there are for sure a lot of people out there that will feel quite the opposite about the very same thing. Just like there are people loving BBW and people finding any chubby girl absolutely disgusting, our tastes are different, so just take any opinion as it is. It is a forum to share information and experiences, not a forum about who has the absolute truth.

So, back to Mada. After reading the contradictory discussions here about this beautiful country I was having the image of a hidden secret mongering paradise, the kind many of our older colleagues are describing when they are talking about THailand 70-80, Philippines 90-00 , Cambodia 80-90 and so on. Sadly, I'll have to say from the first moment, that I didn't find that (still looking for an untouched place, feel free to send me a PM about that) .

My feelings about Mada are very mixed from abyssal bad to heaven good. It is by all means no place for the faint hearted or fot the ones that come from a cozy family neighborhood and went with prostitutes only in nice brothels or in Thailand.

However, I didn't find it very expensive. It may be because I was always converting to euros or because I was comparing to Europe or Thailand. I will say from the start that a budget of around 100 euros per day will get you a great time. Of course a more experienced, better french speaking monger might get the same for 30 euros but still it's a good price / quality.

Disregarding all the advice I went to Tana in the middle of the African winter. Big big mistake, don't do like I did, or you'll regret it.

Speaking about the airport, I've never seen anything like that. It's like a small town airport in Europe, small, dirty, no WiFi, limited food possibilities. Security and passport check will take ages so I'll recommend to take your visa from your country (if possible). If you have a stop or come from a country with yellow fever or you traveled in one in the lazy 6 months (I think) you should get a yellow fever shot (both for you and your trip) . Talking about Vaccines, I would never come to such a country without hep a + be vaccine (a because food and be because our hobby), one for rabies (actually 3 of them, you need them because there are a lot of stray dogs and if you want to play with makis and other monkeys) - there is usually no rabies vaccine in Madagascar so, if you get bit, it s really a matter of luck, just don't do it. Bringing your Vaccines Passport will spare you some time with the over zealous guy at passport control.

I stayed at hotel sole as I read it is in the middle of the street action and close to (what I thought was the middle of the bar action) LE Glacier. Hotel is OK, girl friendly, security OK, rooms OK but very cold (no heating! , staff friendly and english speaking (basic but enough). They sent someone to pick me up from the airport (I think it was about 60 k) which I recommend if you want to pass the hassle at the airport.

The street action is really hardcore. Most of the ladies are either very old or very young, not carrying an ID or looking very ill, I didn't take any of them, even though I like the street action more than the bar one.

LE Glacier bar is a dump. Sorry for the people loving it, for my taste is an excuse for a bar. They have some live band that is singing, sometimes OK, food is edible, apart from that is quite depressing. There are a lot of hardcore no-money french expats over there drinking beers while listening to the band. I couldn't rate any of the girls above average no matter how low I set my standards, and I am no superstar standard guy. The number of the girls is low as well, I've seen maximum 20-30 girls in a night over there from whom there were about 2 fuckable. They all speak French, english is almost useless as only a few older ones will speak a few words. The prices I was quoted were around 40-45 k from the beautiful ones and 30-40 from the old ugly ones. It's a bargain from the European standard but still, the quality was low. They were always answering with the polite form of you in french (vous) and that was making me feel old) I didn't take any girl in the evenings as I didn't see any decent one.

I went there in a morning for my breakfast and there was a guy 60+ that just came back with a beautiful African type really black girl. She looked around 19-20 and very sweet. In the meantime one other (visibly pro) came to me and asked me what I was doing, where I am from and so on) . She asked me if I want to go with her, and I said maybe. I asked her about the price she said 50 000. As my fetish is filming them while in the room I asked her if she allows it and she answered affirmatively (maybe that s why I was overcharged) . All of a sudden the old man left and the beautiful one was alone. I asked my girl if she was doing threesome too. She started laughing and said yes. I showed her the one I liked, she asked her to come and started translating. After some negotiation, the other one agreed to a 50 000 including filming, while I convinced the first one to try anal for 60 k (we agreed that if she doesn't do it, she will get 50 k). I paid for the drinks and we got to the room. The action was OK, not really girl on girl action, more like touching boobs and stuff but still OK. They asked me for a bonus, I gave them 10 k (5 k each). It was very hard to take them out of the room, but still not by far as aggressive as the Thai pros.

My biggest regret about Madagascar 1st that my SD card got corrupt and I lost all my photos and videos. I know, I know, backup is important. I tried any possible program and still no chance. I even talked to a tech guy that tried to fix that but still no success, so can't share any photos (believe me, I am at least as sad as you are).

The other ladies that I had seen in LE Glacier were not interesting at all or didn't want to accept filming so I just cut my stay short and bought a plane ticket to Nosy be.

If you don't have months to spend in Mada, don't spend valuable time of your holiday by going with the minivan / 4 x 4 or whatever other over land means of transportation. Just pay for the plane and enjoy your time. Just as I said, it's not particularly cheap, but it's worth it (buy from the local office, much much cheaper!).

Now about the scary Nosy Be.

A lot of people advise here to avoid Nosy Be, because of the burning incident. For who doesn't know, there were 2 Europeans (French and Belgian I think) that were killed on a beach. That happened in a special context as there was a murder of a child somewhere and the locals were allegedly thinking that the 2 were molesters and that they had some involvement in the death of the child. Locals are talking about black magic practices, family involvement and many other speculations. What is very important for the present monger is that this incident was not forgotten. That's particularly important because locals remember the drama that came after that incident, with hotels being empty for years, with poverty striking a historic low, and the time the island needed and still needs to recover. I felt nosy be much safer than tana. Police seems to me a bigger concern than the locals.

If in Tana one might think that you might try to make some business, in nosy be (except andilana or if you are with your GF) everyone knows why you are there. Don't think that keeping a low profile (which I strongly recommend) will make anyone belive that you are there for the nice beaches.

The best places are in Ambatolouk: The beach bar, Taxi be, LE billiard. There you can find a lot of girls every night (except Mondays and Sundays), and Tanti cris (which is the place to go Sunday evening) . There are a lot of girls on the beach as well during the day, just take a walk or lay on a beach chair, they will come to you.

About the girls in general, there are a few stunners but usually they are average or below average. Most of them have a wig (which I personally thing is the worst thing ever) and most of them are already mothers and mother nature was not easy on their body. Low waist pants means usually no baby (as the abdomen is so visible) , smoking drinking means usually professional, making the first step means professional, being there every night means, as well, professional.

If you avoid pros or not, is a matter of choice. I think they are good sometimes when you want to hassle. They want something, you want something, after that they leave. No reason to keep them for LT or even negotiate as they will try to run after the first pop (I's probably for the best) . IF they see you again next day they will ask for a beer (less than 1 euro) which they will share with the friends if you accept (preferably would be not to, because they will repeat it every evening) .

The non pros or semi pros are a little tricky. First, you need to speak to them first, than they might fall in love or do drama. If you are not cold hearted enough to look into the eyes of a beautiful girl and tell here that you are 'papillon" (butterfly) and that you don't want any more than that night, stick to the pros.

About the price, I haven't been quoted a different price for ST and LT, usually they say they ll stay as much as you want, exception would be the beach girls what will usually leave after you finish. Truth to be said, a lot of girls from the bar look a customer on the beach the next morning (especially if they didn't had any last night) . I was quoted from 15 k to 200 k, usually more in the 30 - 40 k range. Extra services mean extra money (nothing significant) . All wait for a bonus (at least taxi money) which would be 50-10 k but will gladly take 1 k if you won't give more. I never paid more than 100 k (and that was an exception, as I said I have ' special ' needs) .

Food is European price around 10-15 euros for a meal in a nice restaurant. You could (not recommendable) eat where the local eat (gargote) for 5 k but you ll probably spend more for medicine afterwards.

Accommodation is anywhere between 10-100 euros. 10 being the huts on the beach 100 being the exaggerated andilana all inclusive family resort. If you are over 30-40 euros you ll have a great room. There are villas if you travel with a friend for around 70-100 euros or even 50 euros (if it's not in the middle of the action) but look for one with air con.

French is a must everywhere but Italian would bring you a long way. I found a lot of girls that were speaking basic Italian (andilana area, usually pros).

An interesting touch is that here is quite the opposite of Pattaya / BKK scheme because the girls outnumber men considerably. Sometimes there are like 4 men and 20 girls.

All in one, Nosy be and Madagascar is a hardcore, not cheap, not filled with innocent women location, which just a few will really enjoy. I hate it that I wasn't here 10-20 years ago (still waiting for an idea where is now a real untouched paradise).

If I forgot anything, please ask, I'll gladly answer. If you don't agree to my opinions, please accept them as part of a subjective perspective.

Hi OneRose.

Thanks for your long story. Everyone has its own point of view. Yours is balanced and very normal for a first time visitor, not speaking much of French language.

But believe me, its not Tana's LE Glacier and NosyBe's Taxi Be which is the attraction of Mada. There are many other places to explore.

On your corrupt SD card: there are pro companies able to recover your data. It happened to me also before. I thought a software problem, but actually a mechanical defect of the tiny golden wires inside. They could recover the data direct from the chip in their cleanroom. However its costly. We talk minimum of 300. - If you feel its worth, give me a PM.